Ask Dr. Drew - Lara Trump: Election Integrity, Immigration & The Aftermath Of 2 Assassination Attempts Against Her Father-In-Law Donald Trump + Greg Lukianoff – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 405

Episode Date: September 23, 2024

Lara Trump – co-chair of the Republican National Committee and daughter-in-law of Pres. Donald Trump – joins Dr. Drew for an exclusive LIVE interview about election integrity, immigration, and the safety of the Trump family after multiple assassination attempts. They are joined by Greg Lukianoff, president of The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE). Lara Trump is a television personality who serves as Co-Chair of the Republican National Committee. She played key roles in the 2016 and 2020 presidential campaigns for her father-in-law, Donald Trump. Previously, Lara Trump worked as a producer for CBS’s “Inside Edition” and as a Fox News contributor. An advocate for animal rescue and fitness enthusiast, Trump participates in triathlons and CrossFit. She resides in Florida with her family. Follow her at https://x.com/LaraLeaTrump and watch her show at https://rumble.com/LaraTrump Greg Lukianoff – president of FIRE – says their mission is to “defend and sustain the individual rights of all Americans to free speech and free thought.” Greg is an attorney and NYT bestselling author of Unlearning Liberty: Campus Censorship and the End of American Debate, Freedom From Speech, and FIRE’s Guide to Free Speech on Campus. He co-authored The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for Failure with Jonathan Haidt. Follow FIRE at https://x.com/TheFIREorg and learn more at https://thefire.org 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • CAPSADYN - Get pain relief with the power of capsaicin from chili peppers – without the burning! Capsadyn's proprietary formulation for joint & muscle pain contains no NSAIDs, opioids, anesthetics, or steroids. Try it for 15% off at https://drdrew.com/capsadyn • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Another great show today. Coming up in a few minutes, Greg Glukiana from FIRE. Their mission is to defend and sustain the individual rights of Americans to free speech and free thought. He's an attorney, New York Times bestselling author. Thefire.org, you can find out more. And that is on X and also thefire.org. Thefire.org on X or the fire.org website. But first up, Laura Trump.

Laura is, of course, co-chair of the Republican National Committee. She played a key role in 2016, 2020 elections. Her father-in-law is Donald Trump. She worked previously as a CBS producer at Inside Addition and then also at Fox News, where she was a contributor. Got lots of hobbies, and she's a very busy person.

You can follow her on Rumble, Laura Trump. You can follow her on X at Laura Leah Trump, L-E-A. And watch her podcast or listen at The Right View. You can hear it at therightview.com. Laura Trump, after this. Our laws as it pertains to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this.

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As I said, Laura, L-A-R-A, Leah, L-E-A, Trump on X, and TheRightView.com for the podcast. Please welcome Laura Trump. Hello. Thank you so much. Good to see you. Thank you so much for being here and for having had me on your podcast. It was a lot of fun.

Appreciate it. Absolutely. Well, I'm very excited. Got a bunch of things to talk to you about. A bunch of things I want to talk about. One is right off the top. I don't know if you probably are aware, your father-in-law is on an interesting program tonight

on Fox at 10 p.m. Did you hear about this? Yes, I'm aware. I'm aware. Yeah, it should be fun. I think I have been predicting this for a long time. I told Greg Gutfeld and I told Kat too, I said, you're going to be sitting across

from Donald Trump one of these days because I know he's going to come in here and sit in that first chair on Greg's left. I just know it. It's going to happen. There's no way that couldn't happen. And because he knows a good opportunity, not Greg, your father-in-law.

Yeah, and he's going to do it. And I love it. I think it's amazing. And I think it's really kind of refreshing for people honestly drew to be able to see a presidential candidate in these kind of forms you know you've seen donald trump do a lot of podcasts as of late and to go on a show like greg gutfeld i mean greg is a very smart guy and he makes a lot of great astute points no doubt but that's a fun show. I've done that show many times myself. And I think the thing I love most about it truly is that people actually

kind of get to know Donald Trump a little more in his personality. And I think that's important because this man is vilified to no end. I know I don't have to tell anyone out there. People have very strong views on Donald Trump, but as a member of his family, as his daughter-in-law, as the mother to his grandchildren, I can tell you the Donald Trump that I know is a Donald Trump I wish more people got to see. And so when he does shows like this, I love it because I think people get a glimpse into the man that I know. And he's a great human being and so fun and one of the funniest people I've ever met. So I hope that comes across tonight. I'm going to tune in myself.

Yeah, I'm sure it will. It has to. I mean, that's what I like about the, that's why I do Gutfeld regularly. You are encouraged to not take yourself seriously, to make attempts to make light and be funny about what's going on in the world and to give Greg a little shit.

So I will see. Which is always a nice time. Right. We'll see if your father-in-law does that. That'll be very interesting. But back to the vilification and the adulation, the love. I don't, I, you know, I should be able to understand these things, but I frankly don't. I don't understand the extreme reactions emotionally

that he creates, both directions, because I'm a moderate, I can look at both sides and go, wow, the amount of love that is generated, or it's almost it's a dedication. He evokes his dedication in some people. In other people, he evokes this

absolute hatred. What do you think that is that he's able to generate so much emotion from people that should know better, frankly? But what do you think that is? I honestly, I think some of it is because he doesn't toe the line. You know where he stands. You've always known where Donald Trump stands since the day he came down the golden escalator. And quite frankly, Drew, probably before that, I actually, you referenced before you brought me on, I used to work for a show called Inside Edition. And I vividly remember so often

whenever we needed a person to give us a soundbite on something, they'd be like, go over and get Donald Trump, which was odd for me because I was actually, I wasn't even married for part of the time I worked there to Eric, I was just his girlfriend. And I was like, this is so weird. But he was always a guy who kind of made, I mean, talk about making light of things. He had a lot of interesting commentary, shall we say, on a lot of subjects. And then when

he took that political, I think it rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. And the people who tend to hate Donald Trump, and I don't like using that word, but I think that that's very real. I think a lot of people out there hate him. I think these are the people who really have this notion that our president should be a certain way, should act a certain way, should act presidential. And you've heard this talked about many times with Donald Trump, and he never was that person. From the jump, from the very first day he came down the escalator, he had a speech that Corey Lewandowski apparently over the weekend prior to his announcement had written for him. It was like a 20-minute speech. He tucked it in his pocket

and he never, no one ever saw that speech again. He went, shot straight from the hip, talked straight to the audience, and he's kind of continuing to do that. And you know, the adoration and the love for him, I really think that started because he really wasn't politically correct. And he really did call out a lot of issues in this country that I think many people for a long time saw and didn't feel like they had a voice to speak up and say anything about those issues. He kind of saw those, he talked about them, and then they felt like they had an advocate and a voice. And so they got behind him beginning with that. And unfortunately, I will say the mainstream media has been a player in so much of the

hatred directed towards him. And I hate to see it as a family member, but I sometimes wonder, and I've talked about this with my husband many times, were I not a Trump myself? If I didn't have that last name and I didn't have any connection with this family, I can almost understand how if I had tuned into the wrong channel to get my information, I probably would have a totally different view on Donald Trump than I currently have. But being in the middle of it, knowing this man personally prior to politics and really knowing his character and truly who he is

and seeing really what he's given up and what he's gone through, obviously I know that side of it, but I understand how people fall for the smoke and mirrors of the media. And they've been, I mean, they have fanned the flames of the hatred towards Donald Trump,

there's no doubt, for nine years now. Let's, you put a lot in there. There's a lot. I want to unpack some of that. There's a lot there. But I want to start with the hatred part because I was thinking about this this morning. I mean, the press seems unwilling to even examine their role

in these assassination attempts. And let's be as even-handed as we can possibly be and even say, maybe it's your father-in-law's rhetoric that inflames stuff and the press. Let's make them both responsible for the sake of the argument, right? Does he ever, let's just look at his side of it first because you're closer to that.

Does he ever say, hmm, I better tone things down so I survive this thing? Or does he just say, hmm, I better tone things down so I survive this thing? Or does he just go, look, I'm just doing what I do and crazy people are going to be crazy and that's the way it goes? Or does he point at the press and go, look, they're going to go after me anyway

and create all this hatred and I might as well just be honest? I think he's just true to himself. And when you talk about what people love about Donald Trump, that is one of the reasons they love him. And he would say these things whether he was running for president again or not. This is who he is.

And he's very transparent. And he's got strong opinions and thoughts on things. And so, you know, I can see people's point that, yes, he certainly likes to stir the pot a little bit. Donald Trump, don't forget, is a guy who, you know, was a, not only a businessman, but he was this, you know, star of the Celebrity Apprentice. He understands how to generate buzz and how to get people talking. And that's a good thing whenever you're running for president. But oftentimes, I think a lot of the things that people get so bent out of shape over really get blown out of proportion. And a lot of things that he says truly get totally distorted. For example, the Charlottesville hoax, which even Kamala Harris in that debate last week referenced, shocking,

there wasn't a fact check on that, but that was totally debunked. What he said there was that there were fine people on both sides, people who had a point on both sides, except the neo-Nazis and white nationalists who he condemned totally. Those were his exact words. The problem is that whenever you want to make a villain out of someone, it's very easy to do. And having worked in television myself, Drew, you probably know this as well. That's an easy task to make someone a, and they've done a great job of it. Yeah, especially these days. Yeah, that is Snopes that debunked it.

And now they've gone to the bloodbath thing, which where he was talking about the auto industry. I mean, he talked about the auto industry, bloodbath, and the auto industry. I mean, it was so clear if you listen to the entire, but these distorted, you know, it all reminds me of that kid in front of the Lincoln Memorial. We call it like the, what do we call that? It's got a name. Yes. Where the, yeah, that Indian was sort of

in his face a little bit. And when you look at the whole tape, it's like, oh, that is completely different than what it looks like. And we, it just feels so motivated the way everything is distorted. I just wonder what's going on in news media. I mean, you come from that.

What do you think that is? Is your father really scared of them? I kind of want to unpack maybe Howard Stern a little bit because Howard says, I don't hate Donald Trump. I always liked him. He was a great guy, but I can't stand that he's president and I hate anybody that votes for him.

What is he talking? What does he hate? What is he worried about? And then he launches into a fantasy where if the fantasy were true, why wasn't there some evidence of that during the first four years? And then they'll point at the January 6th thing. Aha, there it is. But I don't, I'm not that narrow in my view of things. Maybe I'm wrong. And I think, look, when you specifically ask what is going on within our news media these days, I think we've seen that we now have a 24-hour news cycle. Things have changed in our world.

You know, everything is online. Everybody's got access from their phones right here to everything. And people are constantly searching for their next hit. It's like a drug to people. And it really is. I mean, you probably know better than I do. There's evidence to support that. People want the next thing. They want to have that soundbite that they can put out there, that they can generate buzz around, that's clickbait for people. And so whether or not they're being completely honest in what they're presenting to people, oftentimes a headline for a lot of these outlets has no bearing on what is actually going on. If you get in the meat of an article, if you actually take time, which most

people don't, to read the full scope of things, you really understand, oh, they just wanted me to click in here so they can have the clickbait. And I think that has changed things in a really frightening way for all of us in this country, and I think around the world. And so it's so unfortunate to see that sort of thing happen, but it is the world we live in. And so because of that, we have to adapt. And, you know, it's something that I think whenever I go to post something, I'm very conscious of it.

I want to make sure what I'm posting is valid. But sadly, our news media doesn't do that. And look at their, you know, how people don't trust them anymore for that exact reason. Speaking of adapting, how does Barron and Melania deal with the danger that Barron's father, her husband, walks through every day? I mean, his kid's a young, young person. Does he stay up at night worrying about this?

Is Melania freaking out? How does that work? It's really scary. And to be honest with you, I think July 13th was incredibly upsetting, especially for Barron. To have the visual of that, I think was awful. Of course, just the blood. Oh my God. Imagine your father. Well, right. And my kids, I tried to shield them from it initially, but it's on a loop basically all day long on television. Unless you just turn the TV off or, you know,

I put it on something that has nothing to do with news, which in my life, I need to know what's going on. So I watch a lot of different channels. It's really hard. So that one, I think, hit them very hard. Certainly Barron, I know. I think that was really tough for him. And, you know, whenever you come into a space like this,

whenever you have a father, a husband, a father-in-law who puts himself out there the way Donald Trump does, obviously this has always been in the back of all of our minds, I think, that something like this could happen. But once it does, I mean, you know, it just feels like we all got punched in the gut on July 13th. And then to get a call from my husband on Sunday that essentially he said they tried to do it again.

I mean, it's, and honestly, Drew, it doesn't feel like anyone's taking this that seriously. Everybody's kind of like, well, we moved on. Yeah, they tried to kill Donald Trump feel like anyone's taking this that seriously. Everybody's kind of like, well, we moved on. Oh, my God. They tried to kill Donald Trump again. It's so weird. Yeah. It's so bizarre the way we are.

I mean, the fact is we just kind of, I don't know how we do that, move on from everything. We just go, oh, yeah, presidential assassination. Anyway, what's for lunch? And it's, I'm blown away by this. Also, by the way, I was blown away by the lack of sort of, what should we say, transparency that went on after the first assassination attempt. Like, if that had been any other, I mean, after the Reagan assassination attempt, there was news conferences three times a day and updates and all kinds of things. Don't hold your breath on that either. I mean, the fact that we're two months out, plus two months, over two months out from that, and we still have no answers. And I mean, Richard Blumenthal himself, who's no fan of Donald Trump's came out, I think

last week and said, hey, when America understands sort of what we know, at least Congress knows at this point, people are going to be horrified by the failures and the missed, you know, everything just missed by security. But we still don't know anything, Drew. And what does that mean? It just, it leads me honestly to think that there's something bigger at play. And I don't even know what that means, but it's very frightening. I think constantly about the safety. Well, it's funny, you're in the middle of it. If anybody should see it, it should be you. I think constantly about the safety of my father. It's funny, you're in the middle of it. If anybody should see it, it should be you. I thought you were going

to tell me what the bigger thing is at play. I listened to Mike Benz's post and he sort of makes sense of it through the eyes of international intelligence operations

and things. And maybe, I don't know. But yeah, and my fear is that Blumenthal is going to present his report

and everyone's going to go, oh, well, anyway, again. Yeah. What's going on in Russia? Let's move on. Let's move on. Exactly. It is weird, isn't it?

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Back to the idea of somebody advocating on behalf of the average American or people that like Donald Trump. You know who really kind of nailed that? I don't know how you feel about it or how he felt about it. But of course, Matt and Trey at South Park just kind of nailed it. And it was Randy. I don't know if you remember this episode a while ago, who was like, hey, he sounds like me. Yeah, he's like me. Hey, he feels like I do. Come over there. He could represent me. But, but it's even deeper in the sense that people feel like they need protection right now. Like they're not being represented or something.

It's, it's an odd thing that all these people are feeling left behind. And I would argue that young people feel that way more than anybody so much of the time now. Yeah, absolutely. Well, take a look around, you know, what is the, what's the trajectory for, for people? I mean, I think about how hard it was for me when I got out of college. It was a really tough time to find a job, and I struggled with that. And how was I going to make it happen? What was I going to do? I mean, to be honest with you, Drew, the fact that my last name is Trump is mind-boggling to me because none of this was ever planned. It's all kind of wild, but it is a tough time. You know, our economy's not great. It's hard to save any money for anyone. You know, you might want to think about buying a home one day. Home prices are twice as high as

they were when Donald Trump was in office. You look around at the fact that we—really, the southern border, which I got back yesterday from a trip to Yuma, Arizona. I went to the southern border overnight on Monday night and Tuesday morning and saw it with my own eyes. That is, it's causing such issues across this country. It's unsustainable. It's hurting and taxing every system we have, whether it's, you know, our hospitals, our school systems.

You know, obviously the money that we're dumping into people coming here illegally as taxpaying citizens, as Americans ourselves, it's, it's, it's all of it's unsustainable. You got wars breaking out. People are worried, you know, we're going to find ourselves in World War III. So yeah, it's a really scary time, I think, to find yourself as a young adult and someone who may be voting for the first time. And actually, if you go back and look at the polling, before Joe Biden made his very graceful exit on X from this race, Donald Trump was beating Joe Biden handily with 18 to 24-year-olds. That's a demographic that really Republicans have a hard time with. But I think it's because people took a look around and they said, I don't know that I

can make ends meet like this. I don't know that I will have a better life than my parents. And as human beings, it's innate. It's part of our nature. That's what we want to leave better life for our kids than we currently have. And a lot of people don't feel that way. Yeah, I was just thinking, I completely agree. I agree with you though.

And I was just thinking about your father-in-law's, how he avoids feeling frustrated and angry and defeated. It's just weird. It's just so much comes at him. He just keeps walking. Yeah. And he, I mean, you think about it too. He didn't need to do this job.

You know, there's the famous Oprah Winfrey interview with him back in the 1980s. And she asked him, would you ever consider running for president? And it's so funny because I look at that video and I actually see my husband's face when I look at that video. He and my husband look very similar because they're around the same age, I think, of that interview as my husband is now. But he says, only if things got so bad that I felt I had no other choice.

And I really believe he thought that we were in that spot in 2015, going into that 2016 election. And you look at what they put him through for that campaign. He won. And we naively in the family, I think, because we were all new to politics, thought, okay, well, he's won now. It's done. Then people will treat us fairly. They'll treat him fairly. Everybody will get on board and want the president of the United States to succeed because that means the country succeeds and how wrong we were. People, of course, came after him immediately. The Russia collusion hoax, he got so much thrown his way. He's gotten impeached twice. He's had four indictments, a mugshot, 34 felony counts, you know, the fees on these ridiculous lawsuits, half a billion dollars nearly from Letitia James, the $92 million from a woman he never even met,

and two assassination attempts, Drew. And yet this man, and of course he's lost zeros off the back of his net worth, and he continues on. I think most people, one of those things, they would have said like, that's it, I'm packing up shop. But I really believe that he, there's a drive in him that I don't even know, I don't even know how to explain it. I really do think that he believes he is the only person who can do the job necessary and do the job that this country needs right now. And he's determined that, you know, no matter what they throw at him, he's not out of this fight. He's fighting for this country. And I have to give him immense, immense credit and respect. You know, I gave a talk at the White House a few years ago. It was during his administration. I've been at the White House

for almost every administration. And I happened to be back in a green room when he was in, he came through unexpectedly. And I just said, I go, and it was during the second impeachment. I said, how do you deal with, are you okay? How do you deal with all this? He was like, it's nothing. Like it's been whatever. I was like, wow, I can't do that.

I'm not composed that way. And I've heard him say several times that he must be different than other people. He must be made differently. He sort of thinks of composed that way. And I've heard him say several times that he must be different than other people. He must be made differently. He sort of thinks of himself that way, which is kind of comical, but good for him. A lot of good names come out of that. Yeah, I know, exactly.

I'll tell you what I want to do. I got to take a quick break here. And then I want to talk about election integrity and the things you're doing to try to protect the elections. First, I heard of this plan was from your mouth. So I'll be interested to hear how that has evolved. Before we go to break, did you also work on the Insider in addition to Inside Edition? No, just Inside Edition, but they're often confused. Wasn't it called the Insider? Was it called the Insider? Yeah, it was called the Insider, right? I think there was a

show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I used to do that show months ago it was sort of oh you know a little panel show and i don't know if you i don't know if you remember that i think you guys reported on this remember when gary coleman was uh being accused of abusing his wife or whatever she was i think it's her fiance or something. And they had all these psychologists and body positioning experts, what do you call them, body experts. And they're going, look at the veins popping out on his head. There's something, look at the anger

and the hostility and the rage towards women. And I took one look at him. I said, this is a medically ill person. There is something medical behind all of this. I guarantee it. And I went and his people heard me. You could tell by his body language. Yeah, I could see this was more than psychological problem. And I went into,

his people called me and said, would you go on the insider with him and make the case? And so I went in there. Lo and behold, that kid, he was in, you know, he's in end-stage renal disease, been for years. He had missed his dialysis for like three weeks. He had severe vascular disease. Every inch of his body was scarred from vascular surgeries he'd had. He was, at the time, my understanding, I was told, I don't know, I didn't confirm this, but according to his people, he was living in a nursing home under hospice care at the time. That's why he was refusing dialysis. And his electrolytes, everything was super crazy. And so he went out there and I was going to build, this kid is sick. He's like really got medical problems. And Lisa Bloom came up on the screen

and started yelling at him. He doesn't care if you're sick. You can't treat women like that. And he had a seizure. And I caught him falling off the chair and ran over to the side. And here's the comedy. And I did the resuscitation and got him through it and stuff. And he was okay afterwards. But I was 30 seconds into my resuscitation with him on the couch.

Everybody's pagers went off. We hear there's been a, Gary Coleman had a seizure on the set of The Insider. TMZ wants comment. That TMZ was paging everybody. That they'd already heard about it before the seizure had even stopped. You have those pagers that blow up.

That's crazy. That's really, it's funny but macabre. That's how they do. They got to be the first. You got to keep going. You got to hit them. Yeah. Oh man, I was shocked. People were like, it's funny, but macabre. That's how they do. They got to be the first. You got to keep going. You got to hit them. Yeah. Oh, man.

I was shocked. People were like, oh, my God, TMZ wants comment on this. Can you say something like, oh, I'm making out with Dr. Drew? Was that him? What? Because you were resuscitating him. No, no. That was Jackson on the football field.

I have another kid I resuscitated. The fact that that's just like a, just one story out of your life is amazing, by the way. Like it's all, you couldn't even, you could write a whole movie around that. That's incredible.

I could write a bunch of, yeah. Yeah, I guess I could. But let's do that, Laura. When you're done with all this campaigning stuff, let's go write a film. November 6th, give me a call. All right. All right, we got to take a quick break.

We're going to spend a few more minutes with Laura. I always, I almost, this has happened to you a lot because I almost, Laura Bush comes out of my mouth before I say Laura Trump three out of four times. I'm the only one to do that? Yeah, I thought that happened before. Not that you remind me of Laura Bush, but it just, but to the political realm.

I'll take it, whatever. I've been called worse. I guess I'm, you're not talking to old enough people. I'm old enough to have thinking about Laura Bush as a political thing. But in any event, we will talk about election integrity before I let Laura go. I'll be right after this. Be right back. I'm excited to bring you a new product, a new supplement, Fatty. I take it.

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Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew. That was that time at the White House when he unexpectedly turned up. I stayed for you. No, no, no. I waited for you. No, no, no, no. Laura Trump, you can find her on exit Laura Leah, L-E-A Trump. The podcast is The Right View, therightview.com, R-I-G-H-T.

And we've been talking about assassination attempts and hatred and love and all the incredible extreme emotions that her father-in-law evokes in people. And in a few minutes, we're going to talk to Greg Lukianoff from FIRE. I'll tell you about that in a little while. But right now, I want to sort of wrap up with Laura talking about election integrity. And I felt almost like some of this was your plan, was it? Because you certainly spoke with great certitude about carrying this out. Tell us about it.

Yeah, well, you know, I'll be honest. About a year ago, had you told me that I would be co-chair of the RNC, I would have said, that's crazy. Probably not. But when I got the call from my father-in-law early winter last year to consider this position, I said, look, if I'm going to do this and become co-chair of the Republican National Committee with eight months until the most critical election, we got to do some things differently. And so Michael Whatley is the chairman. And the two of us, after we were elected to these positions, really got together and sort of said, what is it we need to do to be successful?

And we came up with two things. Get out the vote and protect the ballot. Because, look, I don't care who you are out there. You are probably, of the many Americans or know someone who believes that there wasn't something that was totally right about the 2020 election. And the truth is, even if we have a small percentage of the American electorate believing that they can't trust our electoral process, that's problematic. That is, it's really foundational to who we are as a country. And so we said, we want to make sure that every voter out there, regardless of your voting Republican, Democrat, or third-party candidate,

feels like when you go vote this election and elections going forward, your vote matters and your vote counts. And so we put together the most aggressive and comprehensive election integrity operation in the history of American politics. We, by the way, have invited our friends across the aisle at the DNC to join us in this pursuit. I have yet to hear back from them. We'll let you know if we get a call. But we really believe this is, it's fundamental for us here in America. And so we put together this program. And what it means is that we have recruited volunteers

across the country. We pledged 100,000. Right now, as of last count, we have 175,000 people to be trained as poll watchers, poll workers, work in the tabulation centers where the mail ballots come in, and be legal experts on the ground so that every time a vote is cast and every time a vote is counted, there are people in the room and eyes on everything going on. And that way, the idea is we don't get to election day and have to wait several days to get an end of the election.

We don't have people saying, we don't know if we can trust it. If there's a problem, we identify it and we address it right then and there in that moment. And we also have made sure that states are doing things like cleaning their voter rolls, making sure that only legal citizens are voting in this election. And oftentimes, if states are not able to say, oh, we're going to happily do that, then we have to file a lawsuit. And as of last count, we filed 107 lawsuits this election cycle. But we really believe that every person in this country deserves, at the very least, to know that when you go vote in America, your vote is counted. And that has been our charge since day one at the RNC. 107 lawsuits. Tell me more about that. How do you

fund that? And there are only 50 states, plus Puerto Rico and Guam and things, but where are all those 107 directed? Is that the county level or how does that work? Well, some of them, some states have, we've had to file several lawsuits. Michigan is a great example of that. There's a woman named Jocelyn Benson, who's the secretary of state there. And when we asked her to clean the 92,000 inactive voters off of their voter rolls, she was not apt to do it. So we filed a lawsuit and had to force her to do that. We had a situation in Wayne County, that's Detroit, where you're supposed to have an equal amount of Republicans and Democrats working in polling locations. You

have to have a parity. Well, we put forward nearly 800 Republicans as poll workers, and they only took 50 of those people. Meanwhile, they took around 2,300 Democrats to be poll workers. And so we said, this is not fair. This is not right. You have to have at least a similar number of Republicans and Democrats in these polling locations. So whether it's that, whether it's a state like Pennsylvania, where they recently wanted to take dates off of mail ballots, and we sued to make sure they keep the dates on so we can know that that's a ballot we can count in this election, or head out to Arizona where they were registering people without confirming that they were indeed United States citizens. We actually had to take that to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court agreed with us and told the state of Arizona, yes, you have

to make sure that you have a documentation of citizenship before you register people to vote. And when we have these wins, it's actually great because they set precedent and they can be applied to every state in the country. But we do go state by state. And sometimes, Drew, we do go county by county. And we have to get the rules of the road set up right so that as we're heading into this election season, which some states have sent out mail ballots already. Early voting is going to start very soon in a lot of states. We want things set up properly and we want a free, fair, and transparent election. And that's been the goal that we've had from the very beginning. How do you organize and execute the management of 175,000 people across this gigantic country

and across a couple of oceans? Yeah. Well, you know, it's funny because I think what we realized whenever we got into the RNC is the RNC tried to probably do too many things. And when you try to do too many things, I can tell you right now in my life, I'm trying to be a wife, a mom, co-chair of the RNC, walk my dogs, all the things. You get a little spread, a little thin. And so we said, you know what, we're going to take all of our resources and we're going to put all the resources on the get out the vote effort and the protect the ballot effort. So the RNC is a huge apparatus, and we have made sure that we have great people specifically in these battleground states,

but in other states as well, on the ground, who we've trained directly from our headquarters in D.C. at the RNC. And we have a great team that trains people on a daily basis. Sometimes I have been across the country at a lot of these election integrity trainings alongside our chairman, Michael Whatley, from North Carolina, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada, Florida. We've been everywhere. And we have sometimes 100 people in a room who show up for one specific training. And so we're telling them what you need to do, what you need to look for, and how to flag a problem if and when you see that problem. And so because we have sort of pared down everything we're doing, we're focused heavily on this.

And so far, it's been very successful in some of the primaries we've had. We've been able to rectify issues immediately. And we plan to see that, you know, as we go throughout the course of this election cycle. That is so very interesting. Now, the last sort of question I would have on election integrity,

I saw some concerns. You mentioned that the mail-in ballots are going to start pretty soon, that somehow the post office itself, there was concerns about that. What is that and what are you guys going to do about it? Well, I didn't actually talk to my father-in-law. I know he raised the question about this and had concerns about it. I think, you know, you look back at 2020, and that was certainly a unique election. There's no doubt about it. And it was heavy on the mail-in vote due to COVID-19.

You know, people didn't feel comfortable going out to vote in person. So they oftentimes stayed home. We had the mail situation in states that had never dealt with mail ballots before in those sorts of numbers and quantities. And so I think things have gotten back. We know within the numbers that we currently have, the people who've requested mail ballots throughout the states that we can identify right now seem to, the numbers have trended back towards the 2016 election numbers and not the 2020 numbers. So it shouldn't be as heavy a lift for the post office to get those ballots sent, received, processed, and to the actual tabulation centers like we saw in 2020. We certainly hope so. And we're going to make sure that whenever those

ballots are delivered to the tabulation centers, we have people there to make sure that everything is done above board and properly. They're going to have eyes on everything happening as soon as they receive those. You know, California has a pretty good tracking system if you use it. They'll call you. They'll notify you. They'll text you. They'll tell you where your ballot's going, where it's been, where it's—I appreciated that. Of course, if you, warning

everybody, if you mail in ballot, you will be picked up for jury duty. That seems to be there. That seems to be what they, how they, how they find you and send you in for jury duty. So if you don't want to do jury duty, do not do a mail-in ballot. But I have one more question for you. This is a different topic and you may not be able to answer it, but I'm curious. We run a little tape rolling into these shows every day. And this one, if you weren't watching,

if you're listening to this on a stream or something or on a podcast, you may not have seen it, but it was Dr. Paul Alexander, who was the guy that taught me that the six foot distancing had been made up. He was there when it was made up, and I was shocked to hear how arbitrary and ridiculous it was when they made it up and how they made it up. But again, the point being, he was a good source of information. And in this particular tape we rolled in today, he was talking about

how bureaucrats from the State Department told him with great boasting energy that the elected officials don't run the government, it's them, the bureaucrats, they really run things here. And these elected officials just kind of come through for four years and they're not to be trusted or listened to. That was a disgusting thing for me to hear. It really was so disturbing, so contrary to the basic principles of what we're supposed to be in this country. And a lot of things these days seem to run contrary to what I understand to be the basic principles of how we operate. But what does, do you know, what does your father-in-law plan to do with that? I feel like that's the swamp he's talking about,

or am I wrong? Oh, that's the swamp for sure. And that's the exact reason that the swamp seems to have done any and everything possible to keep Donald Trump out of that White House. See, I feel like normally they at least have some ability to control a lot of the politicians in DC, all the way up to the president of the United States, I would argue. But Donald Trump's a bit of a different character for them. And when you have no ability to control someone, that is a threat to you, to your existence, to the way the system has operated in perpetuity. And I believe that it is one of the reasons that they have fought so hard and so aggressively against Donald Trump. Now, here's what I'll say. Donald Trump went in that White House very green.

He really, if you actually go back and look at our transition team, we didn't prepare for Donald Trump to win an election in the way that most campaigns do, because we really didn't know, nor did we have the staffing to do that sort of thing in 2016. And so we kind of had to plug a lot of people in who were sent our way. And I think having done it the first time, I can tell you, he learned a lot. He learned who his friends were. He learned who weren't his friends. And he learned exactly what he needs to do in Washington, D.C., to accomplish the things that are necessary for the American people. So fool me once, shame on you.

Fool me twice, shame on me. He will not be fooled a second time when he's back in that White House. But that's the scary part, Drew. I think to all of these swampy people, because they know exactly what that means for them. You've got Elon Musk who wants to do an audit of the federal government and get rid of the fat, cut the wasteful spending, get rid of so many people who've been there for far too long, who are just, you know, basically sucking up the teat of the American taxpayer. That's frightening to them, too. So I love to see it. I think a lot of Americans love it. But yes, I believe that's the swamp. And I think when Donald Trump gets a second crack at it in there, the jig is up for a

lot of these people. I hate to tell them. And to the point about the efficiency and Elon Musk, front page of the Wall Street Journal today was a commentary about the budget deficits. You now know that it's becoming a problem. The markets are noticing. The Wall Street Journal is leading lead articles about it. Neither candidate are talking about it. Is he going to begin talking about the budget deficits? I imagine so. He likes to read the headlines himself. And, you know, when it's something that starts to concern the American people and people start raising questions and issues about, Donald Trump's happy to talk about it. I would say, look across the aisle at his opponent. I doubt you're going to hear much of anything about that over there, but we don't hear a lot of anything anyway from that side. So not going to be a surprise. Laura, I appreciate you being here.

Thanks for having me on your show. Appreciate you being here on our show, The Right View. You see the insignia behind her right shoulder there. You can follow her, as I said, on X, Laura, L-A-R-A, Leah, L-E-A, Trump. There it is, The Right View. Am I missing anything else you want to promote? The Rumble, do you have a Rumble channel with this? Is Laura Trump on Rumble? Yeah, Laura Trump, you can type in the right view. And I would say, listen, don't sit this

election out. To anybody out there listening, it is your civic duty. And I believe we have the greatest country on earth and we want to keep it great. Make sure you get out and vote. You can go to swampthevoteusa.com to check your voter registration if you're not sure whether you're registered and find out where to vote in your area. And maybe even get another person to go vote, whatever that person's proclivity is. Let's get us all out there and get represented. California, we feel like our votes don't matter

because it's always 60-40 a certain way. They matter, and we have a lot of house races in California that we got to win. So make sure you're paying attention and voting in your area. All right. Thank you so much, Laura. Appreciate it.

Talk to you soon. Also, tune in to Gutfeld tonight. Oh, yes. 10 o'clock. 10 o'clock, Gutfeld. Yeah, this should be very, very interesting. See Laura Trump's Donald Trump. This will be Laura's version of Donald.

Yeah, check him out. Let me know. And let me know also when you're going to be on Gutfeld next. I'll try to time my appearance. Maybe we'll team up. I would love it. Talk to you soon. Thank you so much.

Take care. You bet. Bye-bye. All right. So that's Laura Trump, everybody. Are you a little jealous you didn't get to be on tonight's show? Yeah, that would have been, I had- He actually asked you to do it once

when he was supposed to come and he couldn't come. Oh, did they? Yeah, they did. Oh, I didn't know that. Remember we were gonna fly you out there for it? Yeah, that's right. You were gonna talk about Trump derangement syndrome.

They're gonna do a little skit about it, remember? Really? That's right. Yeah, with him. Yes, and God, that would have been so funny. That would have been so good. Too bad they did not. But yeah, I remember his.

Yeah. Don't you remember his SNL? Like wasn't, that was funny and unexpected and yet it's like disappeared. But it was one of my favorite episodes of SNL. There it is. He went and danced. It was a pre-tape.

It was a great one. So they, Joan said, Joan said he was very relaxed and it was really funny. So it should be really good. There will not be the last time is my prediction. So maybe next time

I can do a Trump derangement thing. Okay. So I'm very excited about our next guest as well. It's Greg Lukianoff. You can see him, you can follow him on X at G Lukianoff,

L-U-K-I-A-N-O-F-F. The Fire Org on X and G Lukianoff, L-U-K-I-A-N-O-F-F, the Fire Org on X, and the Fire.org on YouTube. Fire.org is the website. The book is The Coddling of the American Mind, How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas are, what's that word? Setting up a generation for failure, which indeed now is in full blossom.

FIRE's mission is to defend and sustain the individual rights of Americans to free speech and free thought. They have, in particular, they're looking at college campuses and their record of free speech defense. Please welcome Greg Lukianoff. Greg, welcome.

Thanks for having me back. It's such a pleasure. I want you to know that when I heard you on Lex Friedman's show, I was sort of, my breath was taken away. I felt like I had to talk to you. It kind of focused some of my energy. And since we've last talked, I really feel like my main mission in life

is to defend free speech. I feel like that is the one thing I can point at and say, we must do this. We have an absolute ethical and historical and American obligation to defend the First Amendment. And I've done so by bringing people in here that are unpopular or that are, you know, people accuse me of,

how dare you platform? How do you platform that person? Where did the word platform come from, Greg? What does that even mean? I'm having a conversation with RFK Jr. I platformed RFK Jr. I'm sorry, but, and I hope this is okay for me to say this, but my favorite,

I fell in love with Elon Musk after reading his biography, and then his one phrase that showed up again as he left San Francisco, go fuck yourself. Go fuck yourself. Am I clear? Go fuck yourself. So there you go. So I wanted you to know that you inspired me and whatever I can do to help defend free speech,

I'm all in. Well, we couldn't appreciate the help more. And times are, you know, business is booming in the free speech biz and that's a terrible sign for the rest of the country. It's been, you know, forces are coming from all directions. And when you look abroad,

some of the laws that, you know, Ireland and England and France and Canada, for that matter, are passing. They're just utterly terrifying. And meanwhile, I've been working on college campuses, you know, with a special focus coming up on 24 years. And even though FIRE, I guess, stands beyond campus now, all of the bad trends for free speech have been bleeding out into the rest of the country. And it's going to get worse because all of these bad habits

in which if I don't like you, so basically, my speech is speech, but your speech is violence. So I can respond with violence to your speech is an idea that was so stupid and wrong

that it could only come from a place like campus. So what do we do? Now you're doing the opposite of inspiring me. Now you're deflating my enthusiasm to prevent free speech. So what do we do? I want you to talk more about what you're doing on college campuses and things too

so they understand what FIRE has done and what FIRE is doing. But you've now pushed a button in me and I need to be answered right away. What do we do? Well, that's why we do the campus free speech ranking. It's the largest survey of student opinion ever done. It's like nearly 60,000 students participated. Plus the four biggest databases of professor cancellations,

student cancellations, student cancellations, deplatforming, including like shout downs when you show up and won't let someone talk, and speech codes that universities have. And what we really need people to do is to one, stop giving massive amounts of money to the ones that do badly on this list and send your kids to some of the ones who do well. And guess who finished dead last on the campus free speech ranking this year? For the second year in a row, it was Harvard. This year, last year was followed by Penn. This year was followed by Columbia, by NYU, by Barnard College, and by Penn, which was second to last last year. And instead, send your kids to UVA, which finished number one. Send them to University of Chicago.

Because a lot of places are actually, all is not lost in higher ed. I think for some of these institutions, they need a real hard slap in the face. They need to know that I'm not even applying to your school because I've heard, because it looks like such a nasty place to go to school. Because they need to be forced to reform. Yeah, and so market forces are always what creates the adjustment. But the market forces are adulterated by federal funding and all kinds of other insulating and gigantic endowments and things. How do we break through all that? Well, universities are very worried about their, even when they become perpetual motion machines,

when they have so much money in the bank that they could kind of keep going forever, they still really care about their reputations. And this is something that started happening back when Coddling the American Mind came out, is business leaders from all over the country started saying to me and John Haidt in private that I don't even hire from Harvard anymore. I don't even hire from the Ivy League anymore because the students they're sending me are just too intolerant of other people's opinions. If I have a genius IT guy who might be vaguely Trumpy, they want me to fire them. But they would never say that out loud. And now business leaders are starting to say, listen, I don't even so much care about

whether or not you even have a college degree, as long as you can show that you're smart and can actually play nicely with other temperamental geniuses who are actually exactly the kind of people we want to bring to this firm. Gosh, I realize I'm hearing more and more scary kind of sort of concern on behalf of business leaders, which is they don't want to hire young people. Yeah. Because they're all coming in with this same kind of thing.

How do we, I guess, you know, for young persons, market forces will adjust them. They will adjust. Because then on an individual basis, it seems to me that if you can't get a job because you're a certain way,

then you will eventually adjust. Yeah, and you always point out the temperamental genius. The difficult people in history are oftentimes a lot of the most brilliant. But I wrote something on the Hill that was 1,200 words with 24 different potential solutions for things that could actually be done to help higher ed. But one of them honestly is fewer jobs should require a BA in the first place. There should be alternate ways to show that you're the best and brightest.

The federal government has to actually start saying, wait a second, we've been giving them all this federal money and every year they grow the administration and the bureaucrats bigger and bigger. And by the way, the bureaucrats are the dominant. They're worse than the students. They are the dominant. They're worse than the students. They are the dominant threat to free speech and academic freedom.

That has to start shrinking. Yes. Is it? Not yet, because there's no meaningful pressure. A lot of these schools, you know, like Columbia, it seems kind of like a train wreck, and it's still going to charge $90,000 a year next year. How did they, again, speaking of market forces, how did they, you know, so few students actually pay.

There's so many other ways that these things are paid for other than out of somebody's pocket. And somebody for whom it is out of their pocket, they're not going, they're not going to pay that for that. Yeah, well, in a lot of cases, I think it's something like half of students like don't pay that, but half of students do. So there are actually an awful lot of students paying that ridiculous amount of money to go to this school where, honestly, you want to give me $90,000? I promise you I can educate that student for that year a lot better. Oh my gosh, yes. And especially with all the online courses and the Austin things going on in Austin, except there's so many great alternatives now.

And by the way, they're failing in terms of teaching their fundamental sort of objective, which should be to teach minds to ascend to some approximation of the truth. Yeah. Which they're not doing. Not to freak out if you mildly disagree with your professor.

Like when we looked at these things called bias-related incident programs, you know, there are, and we thought everyone knew about these until my co-author, Ricky Schlott, went on Bill Maher and mentioned these, that she has, you know, the BRT line on the back of her NYU ID.

And he's like, you didn't know that these are literal hotlines that you can call anonymously often to report on your fellow students and professors and they've been around for a long time now and it's kind of like oh great police state stuff and now by the way dr drew those are actually bleeding into the rest of society as well there are entire state systems well up right now where you could report your i agree that listen that happened during covet right i mean Michigan had uh Mr. Waltz's report

line and here's what I don't get you help me or you tell me if I am wrong that if you were somebody that was imposing your will on well let's use COVID as our model if you were somebody and I said this yesterday I'm going to say it again, and you're the person that I want to help me with this. If you're the person that is telling, imposing your will on somebody during COVID, telling them to mask up between bites and you become emotionally energized by somebody not cooperating with your demand that they mask up to between bites or you're the person that calls the michigan helpline or report line to rat on somebody for having a barbecue or whatever or having a dinner party you and the and if you're the student that calls the line on the back of the

nyu card what's called BRT line? What are they called? Yeah. A bias-related team. That's what I asked for. Okay. If you're that person and you do it with intent to get, what's the word I'm looking for?

Compliance. If compliance is what your goal is, you would be a prison guard in 1939. 100%. You would be a prison guard. That's you. If you were younger, you'd be a Hitler youth. If you were older, you would be part of the God knows what. But you would be a prison guard in Nazi Germany

because that's the impulse. That's how an average German became that, like you. You, the person calling those lines, imposing your will for compliance. You would be a prison guard. And people need to understand that. Not the person you're imposing your will on. That person is just trying to live their damn life. And actually, rationally, because masking up between bites makes no sense whatsoever.

And you are imposing your will. And that makes you, you should stop and think about yourself and you should freaking never do that again. And yet, this doesn't seem to be getting through. Help me with this. Yeah, no, no. I'm constantly sort of giggling at the humor sometimes in this. Because a lot of the activists on campus, these rhetorical technologies to like win arguments without actually convincing anybody just to scare them.

And calling people fascists is one of the things that a lot of these activists do. Racist, fascist, whatever. Yeah. But you always have to point out. Okay. So you believe in a supreme state and centralization of power. You don't believe in freedom of speech. You believe in the efficacy of violence in the face of people you disagree with.

You have really specific ideas about race and guilt and about how you're owed and wronged. And I'm kind of like, and the other people are called, again, fascists? So it's one of these things where there's the i mean they call it the iron law of projection like like essentially like it's it's one of those things where trying to figure out ways to have some of these arguments just kind of wash over you you know to be kind of like okay fine name calling is the way we're actually going to handle this but when it comes to you know one of the things that has to happen is every single time there's one of these shout downs on a campus or for that matter there's violence in response to

speech as happens you know every semester now those people have to be expelled they are a threat to freedom of speech and academic freedom they're not you know misguided people they're acting like, well, fascists. And why they can't, my consternation is, oh good, Newsom just criminalized posting of AI political memes, excellent. Well, you wanna see our local fascist leader, he's alive and well, and his attorney General just has on the record

I don't know if you've seen these tapes of him just going just comply just comply that's the Attorney General of the United States of the State of California

just comply yeah California is full of a lot of great ideas for a while now and it's kind of like the joke is sometimes

that the worst ideas come out of California and they end up law in the European Union. That's really interesting, or Canada. Yeah, that is interesting. I feel like I've been watching the French politics very carefully because I feel like they're kind of waking up and they're trying to balance things. And they're like, they're, they're intellectually honest in their conversation about things. You know, some of the leaders are nutty in terms of what things they've said and the sort of positions they've taken, the political rhetoric they're using sort of, but it looks flimsy in the face of the work that the press actually does. The press really questions them and comes after them and reasons with them and spends time talking about it.

And I just feel like, I don't know if you see what's going on over there, if you know, if you think that could be beginning of a solution. I don't know, I'm hoping. The French have placed such an emphasis on centralized power that I think they're going to have a hard way pulling themselves out of this, but you never know. I mean, and that's one of the problems.

Both my parents are European, and I spent a lot of time over there, and I see this kind of statist illusion that essentially, like any social problem that you have, it has to be solved top down. One of the reasons why America is so resilient, one of the reasons why, despite being in California, Silicon Valley is still kind of the envy of the world is because it's very much a bottom-up kind of solution. And freedom of speech is the ultimate tool of bottom-up societies. And that's one of the reasons why the people who want us to be a top-down society, whether they're in Europe or here, they want to crush it. So what are you doing to spread out your tasks to start calling people on the carpet, so to speak?

And what does the average person need to do to help you? Well, you know, FIRE, we're now about 120 people, but we need to be a lot bigger. We tripled our litigation arm and we're going to have to triple it even, probably again, given how much demand there is for our help. We have to survey a lot more schools. We have to survey a lot more schools. We have to reach a lot more people.

We have to start getting alumni to stop mindlessly giving them their schools. We have to get some more wins in court, but we also need people to step up and be willing to be plaintiffs in some of these suits. We need some social media companies, by the way, to actually be willing to sue the next time the government tries to jawbone them into

doing the government's will to censor speech that the government itself cannot censor. The government's like, fine, we'll just go to social media companies and demand that they do it and push them into it. So we need people to stand up, be willing to sue. We definitely need people to support our work because we're about

a $30 million organization, whereas the ACLU is something like a $400 million a year organization. And the battle we're fighting is just getting bigger and bigger by the day. Oh, so the ACLU, of course, being interested in civil liberties is fighting on behalf of free speech, like they always have. I always try to not bet. I get a lot of people saying, a lot of people, you know, like to point out how consistent we are on free speech. Good. That's good. Good answer. Thanks. So, all right. So get behind you guys, be willing to be a plaintiff. Is the court, are the courts how this is going to get sorted out? Is it the markets and the courts that are really going to do the work?

Here's the bigger problem. And one of the reasons why FIRE is more of a culture-changing organization than just a litigation group is the law is actually really quite strong. Thankfully, thanks to the work of a lot of my heroes, including people like Nadine Strawson who actually work at FIRE now. The law is pretty good at the moment in the united states what it is is this cultural phenomena that's been brewing on campuses since the mid-1960s you know since herbert marcus wrote uh oppressive um oppressive tolerance um and it's been very much kind of part of the plan more or less like that that that when you talk to some of these scholars in even the 90s,

they kind of wanted to turn liberalism against freedom of speech, and it's been working. So a lot of us, like one of the things that Ricky and I say in Canceling the American Mind is that we had some of this architecture already in place when I was a kid, when you were a kid, and they were in our sayings. Things like, to each their own, everyone's entitled to their opinion, you know, walk a mile in a man's shoes. All of these things

that were good for small d democratic habits were basically telling you, you don't know everything. So sometimes listen to people and give them the same rights that you would want to have. So a lot of it's got to come down to individuals, to families, to people actually even being willing to stand up for opinions from people they hate, but then demanding that they do exactly the same thing the next time someone they hate gets in trouble. Yeah, I completely agree with that. And I certainly feel very strongly that we should be standing up for people who are saying things we don't like. Absolutely. Or we don't agree with or challenge, whatever. It's just that you got to let that happen.

I don't know. Yeah, I think it's, I blame Rousseau. Rousseau's whole thing was intolerance in the name of tolerance. It really did start with him. And what people don't understand is the Jacobins are the ones that really invented totalitarianism.

They really did. And they ripped it off from Louis XIV, who at least had a monarch at the head of it. I share your hatred of Rousseau. And yeah, it all started with him. Hegel made it worse.

Hegel, yeah. Yeah. He was used to make things worse. That's for sure. He was so obscure, you couldn't interpret him. Some people used him however they needed. So, i like one of his statements about uh you know history it's like

the this is you're supposed to understand this statement the owl of minerva only spreads its wings with the setting of dusk yes okay got it mr hagel well i love that schopenhauer would actually teach his class at the same time and basically be like, this guy is just saying fancy stuff to make himself sound smart. Yes, but Schopenhauer had a big grudge because his classes were smaller.

Absolutely. So there you go. Yeah, that's absolutely true. All right, so listen, whatever we can do, thank you so much. Let us keep spreading the good word, whatever it might be, wherever it might be.

And I appreciate you coming on once in a while and talking about this. This has become my crucible. This has become my focus. And it's just creating environments for people to talk. How horrible is that? I know. Give me a break.

Well, thank you, Dr. Drew, and keep fighting, and we will help however we can. Thank you. All right, you got it. Thank you very much, Greg. FIRE, again, I'll give you the specifics on Greg.

Let me find it here. One second. Yeah, fire.org. You know me. Yeah, there it is. I love my domain names. And glukianoff on X. Why am I not finding the thing from today?

Did I erase it by accident? All your specifics, Caleb. I can't find it. But in any event, Greg. Oh, there it is. Greg is somebody I admire greatly. And fire is something we need to all get behind if we possibly can. Again, the Greg stuff is TheFireOrg on YouTube,

TheFireOrg on X, GLukianov on X, Fire.org, and The Coddling and The Canceling of the American Mind. The Canceling of the American Mind was the latest book. I read that too. I forgot to give him kudos for that. It was the other thing that got me.

So I heard him on Lex Luthor, Lex Friedman's show. And then I read the book and then I talked to him and it really focused my energies on free speech. It was an instrumental piece of that. So we should all fall in line with him. Let's get the list of upcoming guests on the screen here because Matt Walsh is in here tomorrow. Amazing. That's crazy. His new movie is, I guess, number three in the country. Are You a Racist?

I've even seen people who don't like Matt Walsh were entertained by the film and thought it was honest and worth seeing. What's up, Susan? You're leaning in. Your show coming out tomorrow

at three o'clock. I'll be at noon. I see Drea DiMatteo's coming back. We're going to go talk to some dead people tomorrow. Drea DiMatteo's coming back. We're going to go talk to some dead people tomorrow. Drea DiMatteo's coming back. Brian O'Shea coming back to freak us out a little bit. Oh, and-

Bill B.N. Miller, go ahead. Tomorrow, we also, we happen to have Steven on the show as well. I'm not quite sure who he is, but he's just going to be popping in and we'll figure out what his name is and what his thing is. Yeah, Steven.

A ghost or a- Yeah. On tomorrow's show. Did you have- Am I supposed to understand what the- We'll figure out what his name is and what his thing is. Yeah, Stephen. On tomorrow's show. Am I supposed to understand what the show is? Oh, you haven't seen the show. Okay. You don't get the joke then.

No, I don't. Is that Matt Walsh's show? It's Matt Walsh in his disguise that he used for the show to get everybody on camera. So he disguised himself by slightly changing his hair. Okay, yeah. It's so funny. I saw him, I've seen a lot of footage of the film

and he just looked like Matt Walsh to me. I couldn't believe nobody identified him. How did they not recognize him? Yeah, I know. It's weird. It's like James O'Keefe. Bill B.N. Miller talking about the Reagan film,

Dr. Scott Atlas on October 16th. We will be coming to you from New York City next week but do be with us here tomorrow yes follow

updates ask at ask Dr. Drew on all the platforms Caleb anything else did I leave anything out today it was a really interesting program today I thought

as always you guys great stuff coming up great stuff coming up alright thank you everybody for being here today wait let me look at the restream oh my restream You guys do such a great job. Great stuff coming up. All right. Thank you, everybody, for being here today. Wait, let me look at the restream. No, my restream shut down for some reason.

I don't know why it does this. And then it asks me if I'm a robot. Oh, there it is. We're back up. You guys are talking about Bill Maher on the stream here, on the restream. I don't know why. Laura Trump, let's see what you guys talk about

over the Rumble Rants. Steven, a lot of Steven reactions there. All right, you guys, thank you so much for joining us today. I'll be, as I said, in at noon tomorrow with Matt Walsh, and then Susan is in at three o'clock with her program with Brian O'Shea and DeMatteo coming back. So be there. We'll see you then. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis, or treatment. This show is intended for educational and informational purposes only. I am a licensed physician, but I am not a replacement for your personal doctor, and I am not a replacement for your personal doctor and I am not practicing medicine here. Always remember that our understanding of medicine and science is constantly evolving.

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