Ask Dr. Drew - Larry Elder Ran For CA Governor & US President. But He’s A Black Conservative, So The LA Times Called Him The “Black Face Of White Supremacy” – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 319

Episode Date: February 7, 2024

When polls showed that California voters were likely to recall Gov. Gavin Newsom, radio host and author Larry Elder – a prominent black Republican – appeared likely to replace him. The establishment panicked, launching a series of attacks including a blatantly racist LA Times headline calling Elder the “Black Face Of White Supremacy.” Larry Elder has been called the “Sage from South Central.” He is a NYT bestselling author, award-winning documentary filmmaker, and host of the national radio program “The Larry Elder Show.” Follow him at https://x.com/larryelder and learn more at https://LarryElder.com/ Nick Sortor is an independent journalist, joining us LIVE on the ground in Lahaina following the devastating Hawaii wildfires. Follow Nick at https://x.com/nicksortor 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • COZY EARTH - Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets & clothing made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW for a huge discount at https://drdrew.com/cozy • PROVIA - Dreading premature hair thinning or hair loss? Provia uses a safe, natural ingredient (Procapil) to effectively target the three main causes of premature hair thinning and hair loss. Susan loves it! Get an extra discount at https://proviahair.com/drew • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We have two great guests today. In about 45 minutes, Nick Sotor will join us. Sotor, he's an independent journalist, of course. He'll join us from Lahaina. He has been covering the devastation there and has some concerns. You can follow him at Nick Sotor, S-O-R-T-O-R-N-I-C-K, S-O-R-T-O-R on X. And my first guest is Larry Elder. He has been called the sage from South Central. He's a New York Times bestselling author. He's an award-winning documentarian, host of a national radio program.

I've known Larry for a long time. He's a great guy. And I was telling him before we came on screen here that watching what the press put him through was just agonizing. That's the best word I can think of. It was just, it was disgusting. So we'll talk about that.

He ran for governor and was put through the mill for it. You can follow Larry on X at Larry Elder, L-A-R-R-Y-Y, excuse me, E-L-D-E-R is how the last name is spelled. So stay with us. Be right back. Larry Elder after this. Our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre the psychopath started this right he was an alcoholic

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Good to see you. Pleasure to see you. Now, on your website, I believe, you've announced that you want to save the state of California, rescue the state of California. And I, but I've had, but I, that particular catch captures me because I remember I was driving down, you know how the 110 freeway cuts right, it was like an sort of the California and as soon as you start naming the names of the freeways, but I was going down the 110 right down the middle of downtown Los Angeles. And I was like, oh God. And then I was sort of overcome with this sort of sadness that we'd taken it to this point and we hadn't, that had gone to the deteriorated to this point. And I thought, I think the state is worth fighting for. So, you know, we've all lived here all of our life, a lot of us, and it's worth fighting for. I had that feeling about 18 months ago. Now I'm starting to fade. Tell me how you're going to

rescue the state. Well, I have a brand new book out called As Goes California, My Mission to Rescue the Golden State and Save the Nation, where I talk about what's happened with California, with the crime, with the way Gavin Newsom shut down the state in a more severe way than any of the other 49 governors did. We lost probably about a third of all our restaurants are now gone forever. And most of those, Dr. Drew, were run by mom and pops, black and brown people, the kind of people that people like Gavin Newsom purport to care about. Our test scores are near the bottom. Seventy-five percent of black third graders can neither read nor write at grade level. The price of a home in California is twice that of the national average. That's why the last three years we've lost a net one million people leaving California.

And the number one reason is they cannot afford the price of a home. Our budget is a disaster. We have a huge unfunded pension liability, but it's a beautiful, beautiful state. I think it's probably the most beautiful state in the country. And it's worth saying we've got way too many Democrats. Democrats have dominated both parts of our legislature. California has not elected a Republican statewide in almost 20 years. I tried to break that streak when I ran for the recall election because I thought for a moment people were fed up with the crime, fed up with the homelessness, but he got pretty soundly re-elected, although his numbers now are the

worst numbers of his career career and the two reasons people cite crime and homelessness and and so when when that happened when he was so what seemed to be easily re-elected that that was shocking to me i i mean it it really kind of rocked my faith in the electorate and so when i see polls that you that things are going one direction or another, I don't believe anything because to me, that was just mind blowing that they had a great candidate, they had you as an option. Obviously, they were extremely gruesome and unfair towards you. And I hope the LA Times just completely crashes and burns. It looks like it's getting close. And I've had my own run-ins with them over the years

and they are reprehensible. There it is. That is their headline. I'm not even going to, I can't even, the words cannot come out of my mouth. It's just so disgusting that they feel that within their liberty to go, it's just mind-boggling.

Who are these people? What is wrong with them? The woman who wrote that is named Erica D. Smith. And as you know, the newspaper is hemorrhaging money. They're now laid off about 150 people recently. And one of those who was laid off called my views white supremacists. She's now gone. Her name is Jean Guerrero. However, the one that called me the blackface of white supremacy is still there, even though the LA Times said they were going to let people go based upon seniority. Those with the most senior would stay. Well, the one that called me the blackface of white supremacy had less seniority than the one who called me a white supremacist. The one who called me a white supremacist is a Latina. And when she left, she posted on social media that there are

now no more Latina opinion writers. But the black woman that called me the black face of white supremacy with less seniority is still there. My feeling, Dr. Drew, is they were afraid to get rid of her because she pulled out the race card and she would sue them claiming racial discrimination. Well, why would they need any Latina opinions? I mean, we certainly have no one in our population here that would be these representation. We have no Central Americans,

no Mexicans, no Hispanics in this town. Why would we want to have anyone? It's so insane. And part of me wonders, let's say people did vote for Gavin Newsom because he looks dreamy or because people vote for just the status quo.

I understand there's sort of that bias that people have. But where is the Hispanic community in this? They are usually very, very smart, very reasonable, very family oriented. They're the ones that suffered during COVID more than anyone. They're the ones whose businesses were shuttered. They're the ones whose kids at school were damaged. How come they're not just outraged?

They should be just furious. Where have they been? Well, I think things are changing. That's why I mentioned Gavin Newsom's poll numbers are the worst of his career. And the two reasons people give is crime and homelessness. And when I ran, I was supported by the former Senate majority leader, who is a Latina, because I support school choice. And the ones who get the worst schools are the people living in the inner city, black and brown kids that cannot read or write or do math at grade level because of the inability to put their head into a better school.

I think people are waking up in the crime. You have all these soft on crime policies here in California, Proposition 47, Proposition 57, both of which Gavin Newsom supported, that essentially tell bad people, you're going to be on the streets. If you go to jail, maybe cashless bail. So the likelihood is if you get caught stealing under 950 bucks, you've committed a misdemeanor. If the officer sees you, write you a ticket of zero chance of going to jail. I think people are beginning to wake up. Not only zero chance of going to jail, the police are so demoralized by writing these tickets that just get torn up right in front of them. They don't write the tickets. They don't

respond to the calls. And I don't blame them. I don't blame them. They've got enough on their plate. They're going to just focus on dangerous individuals and not the $875 smash and grabs, which is now, of course, again in this state, those that need services the most are not going to have access to them because those businesses are going to shutter in their neighborhoods. It's just, this really is confusing to me, Larry, that the people of Oakland aren't furious,

that the people of East of Oakland aren't furious, that the people of East Los Angeles aren't furious. And put their own candidates forward. Do something. But these people that are representing them now clearly are dangerously harmful to them. Humbly, I can't speak on their behalf, but I have eyes. I look around what's happening. It looks just awful. Absolutely. I talk about this in my book. They just now shut down at Denny's in Oakland. They shut down an In-N-Out Burger in Oakland, all because of crime and theft and the fear that their consumers might be hurt, the fear that their employees might be hurt. The people, again, that people on the left purport to care about are the ones that are the might be hurt. The people, again, that people on the left report to care about are the ones that are the most jeopardized

by all these stupid, soft-on-crime policies. And the cops are demoralized. In LA, we're down several hundred officers from full strength. And who wants to be a cop these days? If you're white, you join the department, you're going to be accused of pursuing systemic racism. If you're black, you're an Uncle Tom.

If you're brown, you're a T.O. Taco. So the police are retiring early. They're transferring to smaller departments with less drama, and they can't get any replacements. So you have response time being delayed because of that. You have serious crime not being pursued because of that. All of these are policies that were created uh by politicians uh that california voted for la times endorsed all these people uh and now uh it's coming back to bite them and people again are leaving california for the first time in our state's 100 a year history and you know i don't know if you saw heard the interview that Adam Carolla did with Newsom around the time, I guess he was running for governor the first time. And his whole policy was focused on eliminating check cashing outlets in the central part of Los Angeles.

And Adam kept going, check cashing? That's going to make things so much better in Los Angeles. And Adam kept going, check cashing, that's going to make things so much better in Los Angeles. And Newsom kept going, yeah, well, black and brown people can't get bank accounts. And Adam said, wait a minute, there are no banks? Oh, there are banks, but they don't have access. Why? What's wrong? Why don't they have access? What's the problem? And he would not answer. He goes, do the Asians have the the same problem what's going on what what is this and of course he didn't answer and it was just some empty platitude that felt like a good slogan which is in check cashing stores essentially yeah it's just condescending uh letting white people know that they're victims and oh by the way i am a white savior i'll come

in here and rescue you meanwhile he signs a law that sets up a panel for reparations, even though California was never even a slave state. This is what this guy does. He's banning the sale of new gasoline-powered cars by 2035, and after he put out that statement, two days later, he put out an alert telling people who have EVs

not to charge them during peak hours because it taxes our state's energy grid. Hello? That's energy grid. Hello? How about the bill that he signed, that requires you, if you're a large toy store, to have a gender-neutral toy aisle so that your kid is not sure he's a girl or he has a safe place to buy a toy.

This is the kind of stuff that Gavin Newsom and the Democrats have put down our throats. Well, listen, I would have no problem with any of that if they'd solved the really serious problems and the dangerous problems and the profound problems. Really? That's a stupid thing to do. Yeah, but if they want to, you know, look, sort of gild the lily with that, fine. But we know we had triplets, two boys and a girl, didn't give them toys and then set them loose in a toy shop when they were one and a half. Paulina went straight for pink and the boys went for trucks. It wasn't, and maybe some kids are gentle gender neutral but you know that's fine

but just let them pick like well again i have no problem with having gender it's a waste of money i think us think us wasting our time even thinking about his policies there is wasting taking our attention off the very serious stuff that's going on here which look if you want to walk down the street three miles from here you you have a high risk of a machete attack that's going on here, which if you want to walk down the street three miles from here, you have a high risk of a machete attack. That's true. It's a trick. That's the city we live in, the environment we live in, and there are people

that are chronically living amongst that. During the campaign, Gavin Newsom was mugged by a homeless guy. He was attacked, and he had of course his security detail. How many of us have a security detail when we're walking around? You have all these guys who are on the street, on the street because of these soft-on-crime

DAs, soft-on-crime policies that have been pushed to the voters in the guise of criminal justice reform, making things far, far more dangerous for the average citizen. So, on your show, let me make sure I got down to what I wanted to get through here. Yeah.

What kinds of things? First of all, give us a promo for your radio show. Where do people catch it? Well, I'm going to be starting a podcast probably in the next couple of weeks. You can just go to LarryHoder.com or go to my social media and I will keep you apprised of that. But right now, my goal is to promote the book so that people can realize we can turn this state around. We can do something about the crime. We can do something about the homelessness. We can do something to improve our schools if we push school choice. So I'm urging people to get the book and check it out. All right, done and done.

Now, I want to pull back to the sort of international situation, the stuff that caught my attention today. The farmer uprising in Europe is very interesting for multiple reasons. One is, well, this is sort of, I don't know if you can even answer this, but it's intriguing to me, first of all, that the farmers are asserting themselves. I would like to know if you think that those sorts of demonstrations actually have any benefit. I mean, it seems like the power is so centralized in Brussels, and they seem recalcitrant to any input from their population. But I'd be interested to know that. And then number two, this is a major uprising. Apparently, Macron is very concerned that it's going to unravel in some major way. And yet, you can't find it on mainstream media here so my two questions are how do we sort of what's going on well probably talk the rest of the hour about this like what's going on with media but

how do we raise awareness about this thing and why would they not be showing it i mean what is what's wrong with this is happening it's a major international story why aren't they showing it and then do we think that br that Brussels will listen to these people? The reason they're not showing it is because it goes against their position regarding climate change. What people are concerned about, these farmers are concerned about, are policies being pushed down their throats that they don't like. And people are beginning to rebel all over the country. The media does not want you to see that. We've got a media that is so left-wing. I think only 3% of journalists self-describe as conservative or somewhat conservative. 3%.

And so they're all about abortion. They're all about climate change. They're all about getting rid of guns. The kinds of things that people are concerned about, everyday working people. Those are the kinds of stories we're not hearing about because these elite people who write stories only care about those kinds of issues. So elites, that is a preoccupation. I mean, last time you and I talked, that's not a, and you used to come on my HLN show a long time ago and used to come on my KBC show a while ago.

But I think like more in turns when we were doing CNN and HLN show a long time ago and used to come on my KBC show a while ago. But I think more in turns when we were doing CNN and HLN, which by the way, I don't think we're welcome there anymore. Certain places you're just not allowed to go for some reason. I was there for 10 years. I'm CNN all the time. They had me on regularly.

I used to even go on MSNBC from time to time. Nobody calls anymore. Why don't you go on MSNBC from time to time. Nobody calls anymore. Why don't you go on their shows? You have to be invited. Otherwise, it's called stalking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People don't understand this.

No, people don't get it. I used to do, I would go, I would do Laura Ingram in the evening. I would do Chris Cuomo in the morning on CNN. I would do my own show in the afternoon, HL i do um don lemon right before my show i we just we all moved around all the different and you if you had something to say that was interesting you got up and you said it uh but now if you first of all if you dare appear on any fox show you can't go anywhere else you're not allowed or they won't invite you. But the probability is if you have anything, like if you and I were to go on CNN and talk about the farmer uprising, we would not be invited back. That's the state of affairs. But we could never get in

there in the first place because we'd somehow, because we're having this conversation now. We dare to have this conversation now, or we dare to question lockdown or you dare dare to run for governor boom that's it out and that that siloing is really concerning though i feel like the the internet and particularly x is sort of starting to expose people to more ideas and more stories and more things like i don't think i would have seen the uh the farmers uprising were it not for X. And, you know, and you look a little further and it's a major international story. So perhaps things are getting better.

What do you think? I don't think they are getting any better. I mean, the last time I was on CNN, I was interviewed during the governance recall race in 2021. Joe Johns was a reporter who came out and interviewed me and talked about my position on COVID. And I said, I'm not opposed to vaccines. I have been vaccinated. My doctor suggested it because I have high blood pressure. I have a rare blood disease and I'm over 65 years old. However, I don't believe that young people need to be

vaccinated. I don't believe that they're likely to to get sick they're not likely to get real sick they're not likely to be hospitalized and they're not likely to die he played all that on cnn and he said but that's not true according to the cdc blah blah blah blah blah right and of course it's true and i tweeted to mr johns when am i going to get an apology i've not heard back yeah yeah keep at that i the the i you know we're starting to see that i think you might have posted something today about the New York, no, it was Jennifer Say, was we're posting that the New York Times now is starting to talk about, in detail, how catastrophic school closures were,

and what a bad idea it was. And Jennifer said, how about an apology? You guys pushed, you demanded it, you demanded lockdown, you demanded school closures. How about an apology? How about a male culprit? We were wrong. It was a horrible idea. We should leave it to experts and shut up from now on. he'll get the message. But you're right. They push this, they push this, push this down our throats. And the nerve to set up a reparations panel to deal with the so-called wealth gap. Well, what do you think is going to happen to the wealth gap when you shut people out of school

here in LA for almost two years? It's going to translate into a earnings loss over the course of this person's lifetime. And then they're going to turn around and then ride about the so-called wealth gap, a wealth gap that you've held to make worse. Staying with the international scene a little bit again, elite is a word that when we were running around CNN and whatnot was a word I did not think about. It was not top of mind. Maybe it should have been, but I didn't think about it.

And globalism or globalists was not a term I was probably not even familiar with. Is that, are we having any traction in eroding some of that, or at least a raising awareness amongst people at how pernicious this movement is? I think so. I mean,

people are now beginning to mock the world economic forum that they have where all these people get in their private jets and fly there and then whine about, whine about greenhouse gases. So I think a lot of people are beginning to push back on that. That's what the farmers uprising has been about in Europe. I think people are pushing back. That's why Donald Trump is so popular. He really is a populist. He is a billionaire, but he's a populist who's resonated with regular working people

because people are tired of being pushed around, told what to do, told what to buy, told what they can't buy, and getting canceled. I'm getting very confused by the term populism uh what but and i'm curious and in specifically you know what you mean when you use that word because so often when i hear it brought up i just think to myself we used to just call that a majority we just we used to just call it enthusiastic supporters well what what did you mean by populist and why do people use it obviously as a pejorative, but what are they trying to communicate when they use that term? You know, that's a good question. It's kind of an amorphous term, kind of a vague term, but what I mean by that is somebody who is, quote, a man of the people. You know, when Donald Trump

went down that escalator, I was in an area of LA.A. called Sunland. I know you know the area. It's kind of a working class area. And I was at a place like a Denny's. It's called Coco's. And I'm sitting there at the bar having breakfast. And a guy comes up to me and he can tell that he's a working class man because of how he was dressed. He had paint all over his hands. And he told me that he felt that Donald Trump, quote, speaks for me, close quote. I was there for about 45 minutes and about 10 other people came up to me and said pretty much the same thing. Finally, somebody who's speaking for us. So when I say populist, I mean somebody who's resonated with the working class people, not people that went to graduate school, not people that went to Harvard, not the plodding gays, but regular working people, many people who work with their hands. That's what I mean by calling Donald Trump a populist. He's resonated with those kinds of people. Right, so the opposite of representing elites, representing everybody other than the elites. Do you remember that Michael Moore video?

It surfaced again about a month ago, where he was describing sort of systematically some of the things that Trump's had done in terms of standing up for employees and things like that, and sort of making the case that he had heard from the average person and how he understood, he could understand how people could relate to that. Do you remember that? That video came around again and people thought it was new. It was at least five years old. Yeah, I did see that. And remember, Michael Moore was the one who predicted that Donald Trump was going to win. He said Donald Trump has been able to resonate with regular people. And come November in 2016,

he said it's going to be the biggest FU that people have ever seen. Because Donald Trump basically is saying FU to the system f you to regular politics f you to the media he's popularized the expression fake news that's why they despise him so much the media has been taken on by donald trump and has caused us to uh have far less respect for the media than before he arrived on the scene and they can't stand him because of that and but i would argue that he merely shined a light on something that was so or he sort of made them so crazed that they became even more fake than they normally normally do well that's right and uh remember the media is the one that pushed this russia pollution thing for almost two and a half years uh it was the 51 so-called former intelligent officials signed that letter claiming that the 100 Biden laptop

had all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation. The media pushed it, CNN pushed it. And people are beginning, I think, now to go to alternatives like your show. People are able to go to podcasts now. And so the power of the media, which is why newspapers like LA Times is having difficulty, is people are getting their sources other places that they trust more than

organizations like the LA Times. Yeah. Every interaction I've had, I stopped doing print because the la times every interaction i had was such a grotesque distortion of the facts and what i was telling them or what i had said or even if i was just advising them on something i well but it was about me particularly it was just like what i mean the last time i interacted interacted with them with this woman it was when the board of supervisors wanted me to serve on the commission, the homeless commission that sort of determines the distribution of resources.

And this woman interviewed me. I said, you know, I'm going in there with an open mind and an open heart. I want to listen. I want to learn about this. I've talked about this a lot, but I had to just shut up and listen and hear what they're doing. And before I jump into anything, I come in with no agenda. And she, instead of reporting what I said, reported what a bunch of activists said, that I want to put homeless in prison and in jail. And I don't know what the hell they were talking about. And she quoted that as though it was my position. And then, well, at last check, he was a physician with a license in the state of California.

I said, I've been a professor, assistant clinical professor in two different departments. I'm a fellow at the American College of Physicians. Why didn't you ask me about my training? Ask me about my credentials. If you're going to pretend that that was a check of my credentials, what's wrong with you? I called her back and I said, what is this disgusting? You should be ashamed of yourself. They can't even, forget report something complicated and meaningful. They can't even check who the people are they're speaking to. They just spew something. It's

really, it's beyond disgusting. It's how I learned about Gelman amnesia, which is, oh, there we are. Gelman Amnesia is where they write an article about something that you know well, and then you go on to read another article about something equally as complicated and go, well, I guess that's accurate. No, they're inaccurate on everything, and especially the LA Times. And they deserve everything that's coming to them. They really do. I'm sorry. Sorry for the people that are losing their jobs, but you folks created this with horrible, horrible journalism. And biased, distorted, disgusting, dangerous, unfair to you, that is their mission. So mission accomplished, everybody.

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Nick Sartor will join us in about 20 minutes. We're here with Larry Elder, the book. Let's put it up there, Caleb, if you don't mind. And Larry, we appreciate you being here and we're looking forward to your podcast. But right now you're getting the book, As Goes California. And you know, the other thing is, as goes Canada, so goes California. So it always seems like they're about a year and a half ahead of us and California can't wait to do exactly what Canada's doing. I always try to understand the people that create these things, what are they telling themselves

in terms of what it is they're doing? In other words, are they're saying that this is just short-term pain for some long-term objective that we have to get through, that they're sort of in denial about the probability that they're creating something catastrophic and it's not going to get better magically,

at least the way they're pursuing their policies? You know, we were talking about the LA Times. In my book, I talk about the interview I had with the editorial board. It's on YouTube, by the way. And for the first five minutes, I just went into the way you just now did. I said, you have an opinion writer who referred to me as the black face of white supremacy, and a sub-headline in the column was, you've been warned. Is that okay with you? They went, well, you know, we really don't talk about what our journalists say. I said, are you okay with calling Larry Elder the black face of white supremacy? Tell me what it is I've said. Tell me what it is I've done that warrants that title.

And they danced and they danced and they danced. I told them it was disgusting the way I was treated. Look, they write three or four opinion editorials every single day, supporting this, supporting that, supporting this. And the state's gotten worse and worse and worse. So you guys are supposedly experts. You're the one endorsing this bill, endorsing that bill. Why have things gotten worse, given the fact that Democrats have been running the state for decades? Democrats have been elected in the major offices for decades, yet things are getting worse. Does it ever make you rethink your assumptions, rethink position on taxes that's what i'm spending yeah no it doesn't yeah because that's what i struggle with i struggle with is that i i don't i don't know why they can't adjust course why they can't learn from mistakes i wonder what they're telling themselves about some of these things that they've done to the state. You mentioned quite a bit earlier, we talked about this mandate we have for electric cars here. And that, if you remember, was pushed through by that billionaire, forget his name, last name starts with an S. Do you remember this whole story? He was one of the guys that ran for

governor too. And I interviewed him right after he pushed it through and he was so gloating, was so happy with himself. And I said, you know, all the savings that you're going to get for the first 10 years of electric vehicle are going to be completely undone by fires this year. This year will easily undo, it will put up more carbon than 10 years of electric vehicle why not spend that money doing forestry management why don't we focus on ways to reduce the risk of fire or the extent of fires if in fact your goal your goal is reduce co2 or why aren't you focused on co2 scrubbing and other other and nuclear energy why aren't we doing a whole range of things why are you so focused on this one thing that frankly may end up burning more fossil fuel or god knows what in order to create the electricity and how are they even going to come up with enough

electricity to be able to meet the demands of that many vehicles it's just it's just it's nonsensical. That's the part I struggle with a lot. Well, Dr. Drew, how dare you use logic and reason? When my race was over, I go to a restaurant in LA, the West side of LA, and I get there about 15 minutes before my buddy gets there. So a table next to me, two ladies are sitting there and I think they feel sorry for me. So they started talking to me. And about 20 minutes into the conversation, one of them says, wait a minute, you're that guy that ran for governor. You're that Larry Elder. Guess who we voted for? So you didn't vote for me? She said, how do you know that? I said, let's see. You said you're both Jewish.

You're 85 years old. One of them said she was a human rights activist. I said, you didn't vote for me. You voted for Gavin Newsom. And they said, you're right, we did vote for Gavin Newsom. I said, how do you feel about the crime? And they both had friends who had been mugged. How do you feel about the quality of our schools? They both admitted they would never put their kid in an LAUSD school. How do you feel about the way Gavin Newsom shut down the state? They both had friends who lost their businesses. How do you feel about the fact that people are leaving California for the very first time? They had good friends who lost their businesses. How do you feel about the fact that people are leaving California for the very first time? They had good friends who left California for Texas, for Florida, for other places.

I said, so here we are completing each other's sentences, but you didn't vote for me. I said, have you ever had a conversation with a conservative Republican before? And they said no. I said never. They said no. And one of them said, what are you drinking? I said, double vodka, splash of cranberries, splash of oranges. He said, what are you eating? I said, well, I was of cranberries, splash of oranges. He said, what are you eating?

I said, well, I was going to have a steak, but now I'm going to upgrade it to lobster if you're going to pay for it. So they paid for my drinks. He had never spoken to a conservative Republican before. I also write about this doctor. I have some back issues, which is why I take something like Relief Factor. And a buddy of mine had a therapist he said could probably help me so i go to this place i'm assuming it's going to be an office building and it's a residential street and it's a house i knock on the door it opens up a big plume of marijuana hits me in the face not

that i would know what that smells like but the lady who opened the door had tattoos everywhere uh ear piercings everywhere but her eyeballs and And so she invites me in, and she's playing Motown music, which is my favorite genre of music. And the song would come on, and I would say, well, this song was written by Smokey Robinson. It was written for David Ruffin, the then lead singer of The Temptations, who unfortunately had a drug overdose. And every song that came on, I pretty much had a backstory to it. And 20 minutes into the session, she goes, you know, I know who you are. When you called and you made the appointment, I knew who you are. Had I known you were this personable and this funny, I would have voted for you.

I said, do you know any Republicans? She said, no. I said, well, believe it or not, we have personalities. We have senses of humor. Shocking. She had no, she did not know a single Republican. This is a state. That's why Gavin Newsom was able to survive the recall.

If you look at all the ads that were put up there, and Biden cut a commercial for him. Obama cut a commercial for him. Senator Warren cut a commercial for them. And they all said the same thing. They didn't say Gavin Newsom was doing a great job on crime, on homelessness, on the way to shut down the state. They said, stop the Republican takeover. And I had, at the time, one photograph with Donald Trump in my life, and they showed it over and over again, two of us standing with our thumbs up. Even though he had not endorsed me, he reached out, but I said,

I want to make this California-centric because they're going to turn this into a referendum on Republicans, which is exactly what they did anyway. Nobody said Gavin Newsom is doing a great job. They just said, stop Republican takeover. And for people who were at that table I mentioned in the restaurant, and that lady that was the massage therapist, it works because they have been told Republicans are bad. No matter how bad things are, Republican will make things worse. That's how people in California have been indoctrinated. I think that's true. And full disclosure, I'm an independent, so I talk to people on all sides.

And it really disturbs me when one component of the electorate is considered lesser than or vilified or bad. And all goodness is imbued in one particular area or one particular group. That is pathological. That is in the hysteria zone, right? It's in mass formation zone. And I've spent some time thinking about how, and I don't have good answers for this, but Trump seems to induce, and again, like I said, I'm not endorsing anybody, but he seems to induce a hysteria in people. And if somebody supports him, if you support him, you are part of the source of that hysteria. And that hysteria is experienced as all bad.

Everything about this person is bad. So anyone associated with that person is bad if that's how people in this country are led to think however they've been led there what do you do to fight that because i i just don't like i don't like whenever there's a bad l i mean just maybe it's study history everybody because i've said this over and again when certain parts of the population are put aside as sinful or dirty or infectious or you name the the the negative sort of gloss things go bad it's a bad thing to do with a capital b but how do they fight it how do republicans fight that the answer is to encourage people to think for themselves.

I have a very, very close friend I've known almost 40 years. He was best man at my wedding when I was married years ago. And he has a son with special needs. He is convinced that Donald Trump mocked a disabled reporter. You know that story. Donald Trump was asked about how people were cheering the fall of the Twin Towers. And Donald Trump said, yeah, there was people were cheering. And because Donald Trump opens his mouth, they fact check him, and they couldn't find any story to corroborate that. Well, he found a story from a writer, I believe it's the New York Times. His name is Serge Kovalevsky, who's got a disability. He doesn't shake like this. And so Donald Trump at a rally was talking about how the reporter retreated from the story

when people asked him about the story. And there's a website called Catholics for Trump, where Trump is using that mocking gesture to mock himself, to mock an able-bodied general. He uses that gesture. He was not mocking that reporter. In fact, the reporter never even said that he mocked him. So I sent my friend a three-page letter. And by the way, how brilliant is my friend? Perfect score on his SAT, perfect score on his LSAT.

The man is, I sent him a three-page letter and a link to that website, Catholic for Trump, showing that Trump uses that gesture to mock a lot of people. And it didn't matter. And I learned something, had an epiphany. Once you hate Donald Trump, it doesn't matter, no matter what, you're not going to unhate him. The same thing about that story that he said there were good Nazis and bad Nazis on both sides regarding Charlottesville. He did not. He was talking about there are good and bad people on both sides of the issue of whether there should be a Confederate monument in the public square. And even Jake Tapper, two years after the fact, said that's what Donald Trump was talking about. Biden goes on CNN two days after Tapper says this, not on Tapper's show, and repeats the lie that Donald Trump said there were good Nazis and bad Nazis on both sides. And nobody at CNN corrected Biden when he said it. He still says it. And it's pathological, as you said earlier. If Donald Trump is this evil person, you don't need to make stuff up.

There should be plenty of material there, but they make things up. The Russian thing was made up. The laptop letter was made up. He did not say there are good Nazis and bad Nazis on both sides. He never said that. They made it up and it's still going. I mean, again, it's almost pathological. That's why people call it Trump derangement syndrome. It is a derangement syndrome. And it feels like the source of the hysteria that then broke out around COVID.

They were already rolling in a, at least the press was already rolling into a, they were already hysterical over his presidency. And then when the virus came, it became an explosive hysteria that went worldwide. I'm so shocked that back to making things up, six-foot distancing was made up out of whole cloth from no science in a back room. Actually, 10 feet is what they agreed on. And some political operative said, oh, we can't get them to agree on that. Just pick six.

Let it be six. It really needed to be 30 to 60 if it was going to do anything. There was nothing, nothing about an aerosolized virus that it's justified six feet. It was a zero. And yet the whole world did it.

What is it about this guy? Go ahead. You were talking about masks earlier. You were talking about. Go ahead. Yeah. You were talking about masks. I'm talking about. Yeah. You were talking about masks earlier. Alameda County reinstituted the mask mandates after they went away.

But the two counties on either side, adjacent counties, did not do so. And demographically, they're almost identical. It gave us a perfect laboratory to find out whether or not the masks worked. And it turned out the infection rates were no different in Alameda versus adjacent counties. And honestly, when Gavin Newsom basically shut down the state, I really thought that most people were going to say, screw you. I was in media, so I was exempted. So I get my card to go to work that Monday when the shutdown went into effect. And I thought maybe there would be 25% fewer people on the road. There was nobody.

It was like a twilight zone. I was shocked how many people complied. I was shocked. I remain shocked. Yeah. Yeah, I was part of the complaint. There's many things I've been apologizing for systematically of mistakes i've made and one of them i'm not sure was a mistake i i was against

it but when he announced it i thought oh my god all right well he's trying to prepare for the worst case scenario he is the leader of the state i'm going to be a good citizen i'm going to comply with this thing and uh and i did never imagining it would go for two years. Believe me, I started speaking up after a while. But listen, fool me once, I hope we don't do it again next time. There's a lot that has been revealed. A lot has been revealed by COVID. One is the elites, as you mentioned, fake news and how fake, how arbitrary and capricious things are, how hysterical everyone is. What the World Economic Forum and the forces like that, the World Health Organization are up to. I hope, I've certainly been exposed to a lot. I hope a lot of people have been.

I know I've got to let you head out the door as soon as possible here, Larry. I promised that, hang on a second. Somebody is asking, okay, what, oh, you've got a yellow ribbon on your jacket. People are asking on our restream what that is all about. This is to show support for the hostages that have been taken by Hamas. That's what this yellow ribbon is for. Thank you for that. And again, so I hope even though, as we discussed earlier in the hour, there's been still siloing of media,

I believe that at least on the margins that X and other places, people are starting to get exposed to things, they're starting to understand that the media is profoundly untrustworthy and profoundly biased. And we'd have to, you know, you can listen to it,

but you have to double check and triple check and try to get your own sources, not just consume it in one place. You consume it in one place. I don't care whether it's, if it's Fox News or CNN, I don't care which.

If you're doing one, you're going to be in trouble. It doesn't matter which. You're going to have to do more than just listen to one version of what's out there. And think for yourself. When I was campaigning, I put this story in the book. I'm at a coffee shop and half the people there had masks on. Half of them did not. And the lady who served us was not wearing a mask.

And I said, what's the policy here? And she said, well, my boss says, if you want to wear one, you can wear one. Half of them did not. And the lady who served us was not wearing a mask. And I said, what's the policy here? And she said, well, my boss says, if you want to wear one, you can wear one. If you don't want to wear one, you don't have to wear one. So I choose not to wear one. I said, have you been vaccinated? She said, no. I said, may I ask why not? She said, you can ask, but I don't feel I have to tell you. She said, big smile. That's for sure. Yeah, that's for sure. I don't have to give you a reason. Yeah, I don't have to give you a reason. What she does with her body and her medical care

is nobody's goddamn business. I completely agree with her. And we just got so used to being up at everybody's stuff. We'd have to show your stupid code to go into a, and New York was ridiculous. All right, well, Larry, well, good luck with the book. It's up alongside you there, As Goes California.

Check it out. Be careful, everybody. I don't know if you remember, was it Bloomberg that came here about three years ago? California is the ideal liberal state. It's the model for the rest of the country. And at that point,

it was maybe six years ago, and I was thinking, really, you want this? This is an ideal state? That is breathtaking. So pay attention, everybody. Read the book and behave accordingly. Plan accordingly.

Vote accordingly. And collect your news from multiple sources. Thank you, Larry. My pleasure. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. You got it.

All right. We're going to have Nick Sartori in a minute. The mass thing made me want to just review a little bit about mass for a second, if people don't mind. And that, oh, did I lose my co-hosting position, Caleb? Yes. That is true. It was because during the ad break, you accidentally unmuted it. And I heard all these dogs going everywhere. And I'm like, where's that coming from? Where? Muted everything. And it was you on Spaces.

Nick is also here. Oh, well, how about that? You know what? I didn't unmute it. I actually pushed the cough button down, and I wonder if that does something. That's weird. Oh, I wonder.

Well, I kicked you off, but I brought you back. Yeah, so. All right, well, I'm back now. Good. But I wanted to review the mask stuff before I get Nick on in here. And that is this idea that you can wear masks if you want to. I think it's actually kind of a good one.

And I have no objection to people wearing a mask if they want to protect themselves. But do not wear a surgical mask. It is completely useless. People are still bringing up surgeons and the wearing of surgical masks. So I feel obliged to review that surgeons wear surgical masks so their spit and the bacteria in their mouth doesn't land in the surgical field. It has zero intent on influencing a virus that might get out into the room and be inhaled by the staff. It has no impact on that, no meaning in that regard. And it's strictly, our mouth is full of horrible bacteria. It cannot get into a sterile field,

or that will be an awful bacterial infection. Viruses often aerosolized and COVID was an aerosol respiratory virus, meaning it's not transmitted on fluids or surfaces or even droplets. It is these tiny, tiny microscopic aerosols that travel 30 to 60 feet. And if you wear a mask that has any opening anywhere around the surface, you are actually causing an acceleration of the airflow through those little holes, and it actually increases the distance that aerosols go. So instead of 30 feet, now it's 90 feet. So if you, I remember seeing Bernie Sanders sitting in Congress, he had an N95 mask on, which is a good mask and will protect you if it's completely sealed. But his, you could see the air jet on his glasses. You could see his glasses steaming up from the lack of tight fit

around his nose. And that was aerosols going across the room and having no effect on protecting him. And by the way, it's not even clear that you can protect other people with a mask. When we go into a room with a patient with infectious disease, we don't mask the patient. We mask ourselves. We want to protect ourselves. And so if we want to protect ourselves and so you know it's you want to protect yourself fine whether that has any influence on other people i i i'm unconvinced um all right so caleb is nick available yet is he here yes he's here he's here all right nick sorger he is a let me get you some of his particular i'm sorry i was sort of vaping i was sort of vamping there i didn't realize you were standing by uh nick is in lahaina maui what do you see on there nick

and dr drew i'm telling you it hasn't gotten any better we're almost to the six month mark here on uh you know since the fire and nothing has gotten better at this point. I mean, there's now a homeless crisis where just up the road here, there are people living on the beach because they've lost their homes and they're not getting any support from the federal or state governments, no aid at all. I spent the morning here helping my friend move his stuff into a shipping container so that he could move off the island because he didn't get any aid. And so he couldn't afford to stay anymore.

And it's really sad. I saw the tweet. You were tweeting about that. And I was trying to understand what he'd been subjected to. So did he lose his home in the fire? You didn't put it all in the tweet. It left a lot of question marks over my head. Because by the way, coming to the mainland is not that much cheaper than where you are on the islands.

So what happened to him? So he lost his business in the fire. And so he had no form of work anymore uh and and so he had no income yeah you get 700 from joe biden out here housing is so expensive you know one bedroom one bath apartment is going to run you 3300 you know i go across the street i want to buy a four pack of toilet paper it's going to be $10. You know, and so $700 is not even going to last you a week out here. So there's hardly anything people can do. If you don't have any savings, you're going to live in a tent over here.

That's all you got, or you move. What is the government, the local government, saying their plan is? Do they have any, are they laying out any, I see the destruction behind you. Are they going to rebuild? Are they going to bring in investments? Are they going to help people find employment? Are they offering any sort of plan? So for the people that lost their homes here, they are thinking about making low-income housing, but really far away from the town. And that's not what people want because you have multi-generational homes that these people lost. They've been in the family for 150 years or so, and they would refuse to sell that property.

People have been trying to buy it off of them. The government has been trying to buy it off of them because they wanted to put a bunch of luxury homes on it and for millions of dollars they still refuse to sell it. This is their perfect opportunity to pretty much come in and grab the land and

they keep talking about smart cities and 15 minute cities. So people out there believe that this is a land grab at this point. Are they having success? Are people letting go of their properties? No, very few people. Most people are fighting and fighting to keep the keep the land keep their properties uh but you know a

lot of them were not insured either and this fire happened of no fault of their own you know the government at the at a minimum it was government ineptitude that let this town burn down and and so i believe that those people should you know know, they should, if it founds out that the electric company or the government is totally at fault for the fire, the government should be responsible for it at that point. And a lot of people feel the same way. Even Hawaiian taxpayers feel that way. Well, the electric company is going to get sued, I'm sure. And I'm certain that there will be insurance payout. Is anybody going to take similar action

against the government? Yeah, and so Maui County is now facing over a thousand different lawsuits at this point, which is much deserved. And one of the other problems here is nobody

trusts. I i mean a very small group of people actually trust the government here at this point to trust their mayor uh they definitely don't trust the police chief because he hasn't bothered coming around at all for months nobody's seen him nobody's talked to him they want to know who was blocking the roads down here and and keeping people from being able to escape the fire. And explain to people, Nick, what you're doing there. This was your home for a long time, right? Well, I mean, I was here for two months earlier last year.

So at this point, it almost feels like a second home. And I've met so many people, so many people where I was, I was staying on couches and, and, you know, like guest rooms of some people when they were willing to let me do that. So I kind of feel like family here at this point. And it's really, it's really touching to see how great these people are in this community, how nice and welcoming they are, and they're getting royally screwed. You know, I was looking at your Twitter feed and one thing that caught my eye was you were making fun of, frankly, what San Francisco did with the homeless. Are you taking aim

at California as well? Because man, there's a lot. I was just talking to Larry Elder. There's a lot to take aim at. Yeah, and I've heard a lot about I was meeting with luckily the tourism industry is coming back but very likely so just for the audience definitely come out here uh and support the island they do need the tourism 90 of the economy out here is tourism

so there's you know not really much of a choice for these people. They need the money. But the reason I say that is because I met people here that were victims of the Paradise Fire in California that burned down a lot of that town as well. And they said they really feel for these people because they didn't get a lot of help either. Oh, yeah. And then there was all kinds of blame when the reality was it was forestry management of the state and the electric company that led to that thing. But, you know, let's get a little deeper into the weeds on tourism and do a little promotion for the island. So Lahaina is sort of near Kaanapali. Are those Kaanap poly hotels open? So a lot of them are.

The locally owned hotels are the ones that are being the most helpful for fire victims. They have completely shut down those. And they're housing these victims free of charge at this point. And so all the rooms are full, which I think is amazing. But there are still areas because, you know, so there is a catch-22 here, right? Because you have a lot of these residents that are trying to keep their jobs at the hotels and the resorts down there in Ka'a Anapali, you know, the restaurants and such. So there has to be some sort of tourism there. And that exacerbates the housing crisis. I mean, it is

just, it's a, that's a disaster in and of itself at this point. Well, that's why I want to do a little promo. Like, so could people stay, if they stayed at Wailea or if they stayed at, what's the one on the other end of the island, something bay? Kihei? No, the other end. Kaanapali. Kaanapali.

Kaanapali. I'm sorry. Wailea. Wailea. On either side of Kaanapali. Kahului. Kahului and Wailea. And if you stay,

those are pretty far from Lahaina. If you stay in those places, let's say I want to go take a vacation in Hawaii, I go to one of those resorts. Is that supporting Lahaina? Does that translate into tourism dollars that these people see? Yeah, absolutely. Because there are a lot of them that, a lot of people are being housed up there as well, you know, that were from Lahaina, that were victims down here

because there isn't as much tourism, obviously, in this area right now. So a lot of them have to end up staying up in Kahului. But why not? Why aren't we promoting, though? We should be promoting those resorts. It's not like the entire island burned off. Lahaina burned.

And people should be coming to those resorts, it seems not like the entire island burned off. Lahaina burned. And people should be coming to those resorts, it seems to me, in support. I mean, they're the same resorts. They're still what they've always been, and they've always been very, very popular, and people should go to these resorts that support the island. I don't understand why they're having any trouble attracting

people all of a sudden. That doesn't make sense to me. Because originally what they did and they had a they had a bunch of celebrities come out and say don't come to maui don't come to maui you know we can't you know we can't handle it right now we don't and i mean it was the stupidest thing especially when you know yeah how much this place relies on tourism there was already one disaster here you don't need to create an economic disaster across the entire island. Right.

Right. Well, that's why I'm really pushing it. Craig said that they were having a hard time booking. Kapalua is what I'm thinking of. So Kapalua and then Wailea, these are huge resorts. Kaanapali, it sounds like, is pretty busy with residents.

But on either side, these huge, huge, huge resorts, people should be, it sounds like is pretty busy with residents, but on either side, these huge, huge, huge resorts, people should be going. And the people that live in Lahaina and around that area worked at the restaurants and the hotels. It really is almost like people should,

I don't know. I don't know why not. It's funny. I felt the same feeling of confusion when we were in the middle of COVID. I'm like, why aren't we teaching people how to deal with this illness instead of hiding from it? I feel the same thing with Maui.

Why aren't we telling people to go visit, spend their money there? Drew, there's- Caleb, are you trying to jump in? Yeah. Yeah, just really quick. So it's like, look at posts like this, because I see posts like this all the time on Twitter from people who say that they're native from Hawaii, but they're calling everyone who comes to visit Hawaii for tourism or for vacations as

they're calling them occupiers and they're calling them they're basically trying to discourage people going there. There's a whole list of it right after the fires and there were a lot of people on social media who were from Hawaii that had to fight back and say, no, this is the time when we

need people here the most. We need to rebuild our whole like rebuild everything oh i see so it's it's fighting conflicting ones so nick so nick i see what that is nick this is a this to me looks like a hawaii separatist group that wants to take back the island do you see this is Is that a significant force on the island right now? Well, you can also, if you can put that tweet back up, because I'm going to reference something on that.

It says, changing of tourism from foreign private capitalist ownership to socialized democratic Hawaiian ownership as Cuba has. So this is not a very popular opinion out there. I mean, this person is a literal socialist.

So yeah, let's turn this into a- Cuba, Cuba. Tell that to the fourth season. No, go to Cuba. By the way, go to Cuba and see how it turned. I urge her to go to Cuba and see what's going on there at the hotels. I urge you in the strongest terms.

It's pretty bad. But it's not going to turn out the way you – I've tried too many times, guys. Study your history, everybody. Go visit these places. But in any event, yeah. But what I'm asking you, Lennick, is that a significant movement on the island right now,

or is that just an outlier? No, that's an outlier. That's an absolute outlier. Even the people that were saying that in the beginning have now changed their mind because they know that they ended up losing their jobs or something. You know, it does honestly seem like, it does honestly seem like a lot of the people that are trying to discourage

everyone from going to Hawaii and calling anyone who visits there, a bunch of colonizers are people who aren't actually from Hawaii. They're just jumping on board and trying to just, it's like, it's that same white savior narrative that Larry Elder was talking about earlier. It's, it's,

it's not the native people that are there. They, I visited Hawaii and it was amazing. It, I did not get the feeling that I was unwelcome there at all. I felt like a lot of people that live there rely on the tourist dollars and they need people to return. They don't want to see everyone thinking the whole place is burned down.

Not just U.S. Not just U.S. dollars. It should be coming from the Pacific Rim, all over the place. They need to pile in. And discouraging people is hurting them. All right. So we've done our public service announcement. Nick, anything else before I let you go here?

Yeah. It's interesting, you know, you being a doctor, and I'll let you know. So apparently what they're saying is all of this stuff that you see behind me is toxic. And so what they decided they're going to do is they're going to dump it right above the town, which sees some of the highest amount of rain in, you know, pretty much the entire United States. And so all of it just drains right down back into the town.

And they're saying that it's going to be temporary or whatever. You got to find out if that is a water, if that is something that is transmissible in liquid form. Usually that kind of construction, toxic materials are airborne. And so you shouldn't be standing there much longer, in fact. So things like asbestos and whatnot.

So you're going to have to investigate a little further whether it's something that can actually contaminate water tables or be transmitted in liquid form. It may be stuff that's more of a dust-oriented toxicity.

Okay? Yep. So we'll find out. All right. Again, I'm going to let you... Sounds terrible. It may be stuff that's more of a dust-oriented toxicity. Okay? Yeah. So we'll find out. All right. Again, I'm going to let you... That sounds terrible. And I want you to get out of there right now because I want you breathing this up. If you remember with 9-11, that happened, right?

There was a lot of asbestos in the towers or other chemicals that they end up with a whole syndrome from that. Susan, you have something to say? Well, I spent like two weeks in east palestine ohio right after the explosion so i mean uh you know it's probably going to be plenty of problems with me at some point yeah susan explain something your cancer checks quick great oh my god all right nick well thank you for joining us. Appreciate it very much. Hopefully we'll talk to you again soon.

Absolutely. Thank you, Dr. Drew. Nick Sortor. You bet. Nick Sortor in Maui. You can follow him, Nick Sortor on X. And Susan, you've been running around a bunch today. I guess the dogs did get through on the air.

Yeah. Everything. Oh, they did? Sorry. That's why I was kicked off twitter spaces what it's a long story i was listening on twitter spaces twitter spaces was fine okay i i think this cough button may do no it was working fine you were on twitter spaces the whole time till i came back in the room okay because that's how i was listening. All right. Okay. Caleb, anything else on your end?

Want to put the list of upcomers coming up there? Nothing except I'm very excited for Roseanne to be here next week. If this one sticks, this one's going to stick. I'm not going to hold my breath. Yeah, but she should be here a couple of times. Yeah, I had to move her. She's booked a couple of times and moved, which I'm very sympathetic to.

She's in Hawaii too, right? I believe she's in Hawaii, but I don't know if she'll still be in Hawaii. Dale Bigtree at Popular Demand. He's actually going to be in studio. Nikki and Jim Norton will be in studio. They're right. Jimmy Dore coming in. Alex Berenson back for number three or four visit

with Kelly Victoria making her return. Zuby, we'd love to speak on with him. And then Rob Henderson has a great new book. I think it's out right now. So funny, we tried to get Zuby for so long and we love speaking with him. And then Rob Henderson has a great new book. I think it's out right now. It's so funny. We tried to get Zuby for so long and we couldn't get him. And I, one day I go to Drew, I go, I go, we can't get Zuby. He won't come back. And I guess within like an hour, Zuby was booked. I just DM'd him on Twitter or something. So I just, I admired him. He was traveling a lot and stuff, I remember.

Yeah, he was up to something that day too, and it was kind of interesting. Let's see, I got to get a name of Rob's book. It is called Troubled. It is an extraordinary book. Rob was a troubled young person who got into the military and that squared him out. And because the military bill was able to go to Yale,

was shocked at the way people from a certain class saw the world. And so he started thinking about that, ended up going to, I think he's at Oxford, became a social psychologist. And he writes the book of his story now from the perspective of somebody highly trained in this area. And you really, and it's not an uncommon story at all

from the standpoint of what he went through. What's uncommon is that he found his way out and is an extraordinary professional now. I cannot recommend that book strongly enough. It's breathtaking. And it is just all the, if you were a Loveline fan, he was every caller. He was just the stuff we listened to all day long and he found a way

out through education and as I said he has lots of interesting insights into the kids he met at Yale and he invented this term called luxury beliefs that these kids with money and education have the luxury to believe the things they do because they've never had

to really struggle many of them what we'll do is we'll see you again on Tuesday with Roseanne. Is that three o'clock, everybody? Susan, three o'clock? Yep, yes, sir. As far as I know. Okay, should be very interesting. She's going to tell me about them again.

I got more questions about them and see if I can kind of nail her down on who them is and what they are up to. And she's always fun and funny and hope you'll enjoy it. So we'll see you next Tuesday, three o'clock Pacific time. Until then. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation

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