Ask Dr. Drew - Lauren Chen & Tenet Media: FBI Agents Raid Home of Pregnant Founder, Accused Of Being “Russian Disinformation Agents” – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 576

Episode Date: January 17, 2026

President Trump ended “radical and wasteful government DEI programs” but discrimination is still happening in secret. Now veteran clarinetist James Zimmermann is suing the Knoxville Symphony Orchestra, saying he won the blind audition for a top job but was later rejected when the company discovered his beliefs about DEI. Political commentator Lauren Chen says an FBI raid on her home and a DOJ investigation into her media company caused severe financial and personal harm, even though no charges were filed. Chen says agents seized bank accounts, triggering six-figure legal bills, unpaid payroll chaos, visa problems, and ultimately forcing her family to leave the United States. Over the holidays, Chen publicly thanked the State Department FBI and CBP for helping her family return to the United States. Kira Davis is a conservative commentator and media personality. She is the host of the Just Kira Davis podcast. Follow at https://x.com/kiradavis⠀James Zimmermann is a professional clarinetist and homeschooling father of three. He is suing after being denied a position with the Knoxville Symphony, alleging discriminatory DEI hiring practices. Follow at https://x.com/jameszimmermann⠀Lauren Chen is a political and social commentator who began as a YouTuber and has appeared on Fox News, BlazeTV, PragerU, Rebel Media, The Daily Wire, and The Rubin Report. She holds a BA in Political Science. Follow at https://x.com/thelaurenchen and support her DOJ fight at https://givesendgo.com/laurenchen 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • AUGUSTA PRECIOUS METALS – Thousands of Americans are moving portions of their retirement into physical gold & silver. Learn more in this 3-minute report from our friends at Augusta Precious Metals: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/gold⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or text DREW to 35052 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer & Booking • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, today I'm joined by Kira Davis again for a few minutes. She, of course, going to sit in for me next week. And we will be joined after a while with James Zimmerman, professional clarinetist. And he is suing after being denied a position in the Knoxville Symphony. There's a whole story that's going to tell us there. And Lauren Chen, a social commentator, political commentator as well, began as a YouTuber. It has appeared on many different outlets, Ruben Reporter, Breger You, etc. and she has a very interesting story to tell us.

You can follow Lauren at the Lauren Chen, L-A-U-R-E-N. And you can follow James Zimmerman, that on Z James Zimmerman, just like it sounds up with two ends. And Kira Davis is Kira Davis on X. We'll be back with all of our guests and a little commentary about Scott Adams, right about this, after this.

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before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Lovelin all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. You have trouble, you can't stop, and you want to help stop it.

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means more moments to cherish. Take control of your well-being and book an assessment today. Medcan. Live well for life. Visit medcan.com slash moments to get started. All right, everybody, please welcome back, Kira Davis. Kira, how have you been? Hey, Drew. I have been very well. Happy New Year. Merry Christmas to you. All that good stuff. So I'm a little, you know, a little depressed, I'd say. If you were watching the roll-up onto this show, we did a little tape of me and Scott Adams back in the day, and he was many times on this show. And he was a, I would say a good friend. I don't think that's overstating him. He was an important figure. he continued to do his morning stream at 7 o'clock all the way to the end and actually gave those of us that were did you see the did you see the most recent stuff yeah i did i don't typically watch got but i did

yeah he got a little tough to watch and but he wanted it that way and i told gregg gutfeld who was like we got to stop him i said you know it may be uncomfortable for us to watch this is the way death and die is it's uncomfortable for us to watch, but you have to let people do it on their own terms. If you stop it because you don't like what it looks like, that is about as selfish as you can possibly be. And he wanted, he's an ex-wife read a letter this morning,

and he has a tape that has yet to be publicly disclosed. We'll see if she decides to, oh, something's wrong with our sound, I guess. The people on the stream are telling me that between, Kira and me, there's some real problem with the sound. Caleb? Let's see if we get that squared out. I'm checking it. I just turned Drew's up a little bit. Is that better? No, no. It's the delay. There's some massive delay or something.

They're saying everything's out of sync, not the volume. It's Scott Adams. Yeah, Scott's here. He's letting us know. He's here, Kira. I'll let us know. I have a thing about ghosts. But I feel, I just want to say a few things. I want to keep going. He, at the beginning of the, back when you used to do the radio show with me, over on KBC,

I was confused by the people that were so enthusiastic about Donald Trump. I couldn't figure it out. I sort of had neutral response to him, which I kind of do to this day. I'm sorry to tell you. But I'm wondering why I don't have some extreme reaction one or the other way so many people do. But Scott Adams pointed out, oh, it's mute. Something's muted. Is somebody put up on the

Maybe it's your mock disaster. Maybe you're muted there. Nope. Multiple people are commenting on it. Oh, it's back now. It's back now. It's back now. Working on it.

Okay. Caleb's working on. So I'm going to keep going. We're doing it live, everybody. This is what it looks like live. Yeah. Just everybody say hi to Scott. He wants us to know who's here.

All right. I'm seeing you guys. Little crunchy. Check the wire. It's weird. because we have good sound here. Let me see what's going on over on the mic cord somebody's saying.

Let's see if it's this. Not my mic cord. It's not me, is it, you guys? My cable. No, it's not my mic cable. I hear no buzzing or anything of the usual stuff. Everything sounds fine to me on my end. Yeah, me here too.

Maybe it's that computer thing you've set up here, Caleb. That's the only thing that's different is what's... Yeah, I'm fixing it. Whatever's going out with. you. But I don't want this to be, they're saying there's static and clicking. That's not with Kira and I at all. We're, we're, I hear nothing. The delay, yeah, there was a little bit of extra delay between us, but that is, that has caught up as well. So I don't see anything. Yeah, this is a great start here. Yeah. I want people to hear. Well, you know what? It's really in

Scott's wheelhouse, though, because this is Scott wasn't fancy either. He just was like, and this is what I loved about him. We are fancy, though. We are fancy. It's just not working. We need to be not fancy. Let's like Caleb set it up. We'll wait for a second. But I want people to hear my thoughts. So I'm going to wait.

It sounds good. Oh, wait. Susan says it sounds good. Maybe it's one of the other outlets. Let me see quickly. Caleb wants us to give him a second. Good now, Mark Disaster. Sounds fine to me.

I don't want to go. Well, Twitch is the only thing coming in on the restream. Right it turned down. So YouTube and Facebook are not going out even. Guys. And we're back. Is this what it looked like right before the Maduro raid? Is this what they started seeing?

Can you get our sound out? I started my. I started to feel like I was burning. I'm starting to feel like I'm burning up from the inside. So, but Caleb, in the meantime, Caleb, we're not out on Facebook or YouTube. You know what? Or X. I can see everybody on those channels.

It sounds good on my headphones. I don't know what anybody's talking about. Let me explain for the people on the. stream. So what we're trying to do is we're setting up a professional broadcast where we're producing on one PC and then sending it to a second one that goes to the stream, just like they do for television stations. There might be a glitch there. I think it's fixed now, though. So thanks for sticking with us, guys. Thank you, Caleb. All right. They're saying sounds fine. I think we're back. Although, Caleb, I don't think we're out on anything except the only comments on Restreamer from Twitch.

We're live. All right. Magna Wright said sounds good on YouTube. Whoever's having problems with their computers. I was in the wrong restream. I was in just the Twitch only stream. Okay, here we go. All right, everybody.

So let me finish what I was saying about Scott. Scott was a good friend. He was on this show many, many times. He gave us all plenty of opportunity to grieve as he sort of stayed with us all over to the end. He had advanced prostate cancer. It's exactly what is going to happen to former President Biden soon. That's how that kind of prostate cancer goes. And people have a naive notion that something simple, like fasting or some magical potion,

should take away advanced cancer. No, sorry. I wish. He did start a treatment that is sometimes very effective, which is a protein with a single radioactive element attached to it and it kills every single cancer cell. Unfortunately, for some reason, it didn't work with him. There are responders and there are non-responders. In any event, he was an important figure.

I had trouble understanding the enthusiasm for President Trump. He explained it to me. And then early on, I was kind of scared by some of Trump's stuff. And Scott explained what he was doing, why he was doing it, and it calmed me down quite a bit. And I was able just to look through it. And more recently, he was very clear about the hoaxes and helping us see what is propaganda and what is genuine news. And very little, it turns out, of what is out there is genuine.

And he brought people like Mike Benz into the fray, Cernovich, Jack Posabic, all of whom were learning from him, Greg Gutfeld. And Greg, a lot of, Greg and I became friends because of Scott. I was on his show back when it was one night a week back in the day. And he said to me, all of a sudden he goes, do you watch, I brought up Scott Adams to him. He goes, yeah, do you watch his periscope every day? I was like, he has a periscope every day? How crazy.

So I started listening way back then. And then Greg obviously went on to big success with a five-night-a-week show. Bottom line, we had a very interesting relationship. I had a very bizarre story with him. where I would say it almost was proof of what he called the simulation. I was standing in the shower one day listening to his show. And he said, you know, I'm going on the trip of a lifetime. So I'm going to be gone.

So he picked a week, you know, somewhere out there. He didn't give us the exact dates or anything. And I immediately thought to myself, I think he's going where I'm going. And I never really thought at the same time as I'm going. But I thought, I think he's going where I'm going. And so I texted him as, hey, Scott, where are you going? Reese. Okay.

What island are you going to? Santrini. Huh. I'm going to. All right. So we were going to the same island. On the same date, on the same airplane out of Germany, we flew together, three rows apart. And we had dinner several nights with him and his ex-wife, his wife at the time there,

and became friends as a result of that. But how bizarre is that, Kira, that I'm sitting there thinking, I just kind of out of, there we are in Greece. How bizarre is that? And there he is with President Trump. And I just thought, he's going to. where I'm going. I just,

and that was about a month off too. It was awesome. It was weird. It was funny to see Drew. I love the way you just put that. I love the way you said that. How awesome is that? I thought he's going where I'm going and then he was.

And that's kind of where I sort of feel we are as a country right now as a nation. I think the last time I visited, I talked a little bit about tribalizing. That's kind of what I'm seeing happening. And people like finding out who their people are. And it turns out, It's not who you imagined it to be. It's not, you know, everything was divided along these very clear lines for so long.

And suddenly we find ourselves in foxholes with people. We never would have imagined would have been not only our comrades in battle, but then, as you say, as Scott turned out for you, our good friends. And, you know, isn't that something that he was, he's going where I'm going to be? And I feel like what's happening now is we're all sort of finding out who the people are that are traveling, the same roads as us. And even if we're not traveling at the same pace or even carrying a different piece of equipment

for the journey, it feels good. This is why I think it felt good for you to find Scott after your confusion about Trump. It feels good to find people who are going to the same place that we're going. And it feels safe. Yeah, and that's what Scott did.

You have common comrade or common, I don't know, at least freedom fighters. I think that's sort of what I'm noticing, people that want to fight for what the principles of this country was founded on. And we seem to be sort of bringing in a really interesting, diverse group of people that feel the same way. And amongst them, let's go to my first guest. It is James Zimmerman. He's a professional clarinetist. He is homeschooling father of three.

And I got to ask if he's the one doing it. He was denied a position with the Knoxville Symphony. and he has an alleging discriminatory DEI practices. You can follow James on X, James Zimmerman with two end. James, welcome in here. Tell us what happened. Well, thanks for having me on, Dr. Drew. What happened was I moved to Nashville in 2008

to be principal clarinetists of the Nashville Symphony. That's a job I won in a blind audition against 300 other clarinet players for one job. These blind auditions are very competitive, but that's how you get into an orchestra, kind of like a sports tryout, American Idol style competition, purely based on merit. Right.

I had a great 12-year run there. I'm also a studio player, so I'm on many movies at Netflix shows and video games and political events and all kinds of commercial music. There's a much better chance that you and your listeners have heard me than that you have not heard me.

I've taught at the college level. James, James, I can interrupt you. If I can interrupt you, The reason, so you're essentially, they call your number essentially, and you step behind a screen so they can't see anything about you and you play. And there's a set of judges out there and you're just judged on your skill and sound. And as I remember, that was designed to protect women. Was it not? Right.

And minorities. Yeah. Blind auditions were innovated about 60 years ago when orchestras were mostly non. male and mostly white. And musicians wanted to have a way into orchestras if they didn't have the necessary connections or pedigree or money. So they put blind auditions into practice and a generation later they're 50-50 male-female. So that reveals there was a ton of sexism back in the 60s and 70s when this stuff started. But that is the whole purpose of blind auditions. That we don't know where you went to school. We don't know how much experience if you have, what race or gender or political

orientation you are, it's totally decided on your playing alone. And then, if you win that thing, you join an orchestra on probation for a year where they can evaluate whether or not you're actually good at the job, playing in front of an audience, playing with other people, taking direction, showing up on time, having a good personality. And then if you survive that year-long probationary period, you get tenure and you can be in the orchestra for the rest of your life. So that's where I thought I was going to end up in Nashville Symphony. for the rest of my career. But I was ousted in 2020

by a ridiculous DEI agenda. We can get into that later. But suffice it to say, I've been on the sidelines working in big tech since 2020. And continuing my career as a studio musician. I was going to say,

what a loss if you actually stop music. That's just incomprehensible to me. Well, Kiro, and if you have any questions, and then I don't want to make any assumptions, about what this story is. I want to hear it. But, Karen, if you have any questions before, James tells us. Yeah, I'm really, I was really interested in this story. I was so excited to find out that we were going to talk to James while I'm on the show today, because I've been following it on X. And one of the things that I was noticing, or as I was reading your story, James, one of the

things that I saw coming from you was a few apologies. You were sort of apologizing maybe for being too harsh at some points. You had some back and force with people, some of the perpetrators of this. You sent some angry emails and maybe an angry text exchange. And I was really interested in that. I'm going to tell you why. And then I'd love for you to comment on this because I ran for school board in 2022. And it was brutal. And I got followed around by the unions and harassed by the unions. And one of the things that they do is they really push you, push you, push you to your limit. And they really pray. your instincts as a nice person. And then when you push back, then they go, ah, see, this person was totally irrational and unreasonable.

And it becomes another form of harassment. And I recognize that as soon as I was reading some of the things you were saying and some of the emails. And I was like, he's apologizing for something. I'm not sure he should be, I don't even know if he knows, but this is actually a calculated tactic to prey on your good instincts. So I wondered if you could talk about that a little bit. Yeah, you're absolutely right.

I experienced that same thing where my mistakes and infractions have been my defining characteristics to those who would like to see me out of the business. You know, I've tried to apologize, but there's no truce available. So I'll tell you what happened very briefly. Blind auditions were working great. Wait, wait, wait, wait, before you do, before you jump to the whole story, let's all agree, no more apologies. No more apologies, that's it. Yeah, we're down to apologize. Yeah, let's do it.

No more apologies. Yeah, I'm there. That's it. Not to the mob. Not to the mob. No, no. No. Yeah.

Okay. Fair enough. So there was a large effort following Trump's first election to diversify the Nassville Symphony, which is difficult when you hire musicians through blind auditions. So sometimes an orchestra has to fill a role temporarily without a blind audition. So the orchestra would hire, you know, people of color for most of those positions. It's an easy way to diversify. and they put a black man into the principal oboe chair,

which is the most influential and important chair in the orchestra. And this guy had an agenda, and he was starting to form, you know, he was advocating for diversity lunch type things, trainings, struggle session type behavior, which I pushed back on pretty staunchly. But the real thing blew up when this player who was on a temporary, contract had to audition in a blind audition for the permanent position against a national pool of candidates in 2019. And leading up to the audition, I coached this guy and I told him, look,

I believe in you. You've gotten so close to so many of this big jobs. You know, he came over to my house for free coachings and I said, you know, I don't think the reason you're not in an orchestra now is because of systemic racism. I think it's because of you. I think it's because you're paranoid. you haven't risen to the occasion yet, you're distrustful of the people around you. But I believe if you just calm down and do it, do your thing in your audition, you're going to win. Which he did. He won this blind audition. It's a huge feat, two days' worth of candidates, and he won. But during the deliberations of the audition, the conductor and the eight other panelists on the board of the blind audition said, we've been playing for two years with this guy,

and we don't think he's up to snuff. So I think we should fire him, and we should never tell him about this. We'll declare this audition and no hire, and the secret will never leave this room. But I, refusing to lie and refusing to expose the orchestra to a racial discrimination suit they certainly would have lost, stuck up for this black oboist.

I got him back on track, and he ultimately was hired for the job unilaterally by management without the vote of the musicians. stamping him a DEI hire forever. And then he retaliated against me and came up with a fake story about how I'm, you know, racially insensitive because I wouldn't bow to his agenda. And eventually the whole thing got so ugly, it spilled over into civil court. And there was a lot.

All of this is out there. But suffice it to say that no good deed goes unpunished. This guy's a superstar in the business now. He has positions in academia. boards of directors of music conservatories, summer festivals, and I'm working in big tech ever since, and I can't get another job. That will lead to what happened in Knoxville last summer.

But that is the crux of the story. It's a Jussie Smollett-style hoax against people I stuck up for who really wanted to make a statement, become famous, and loose their agenda on the entire industry. And you got to hand it to them. It totally worked. It did. I was actually really impressed, James,

that you told your student the truth that you said, you know, I think you've got a chip on your shoulder and it's affecting how you play. And so kudos for you, to you, by the way, for even telling the truth in the first place. But yeah, it does get to be a little frustrating when the very people you're trying to help turn on you. But that's why I think we don't,

that's why we shouldn't absolutely not judge any part of society, particularly not our arts, by DEI standards, by quota standards, because at the end of the day, I don't think it even makes grateful people. It's not just that it sort of perverts guys like you who now you've been a victim of the system, and it creates anger and resentment, and not to mention the different failures you've had to cope with, but it also puts these people in a position of being ungrateful. I think it shrinks their gratefulness. I don't think it expands it.

I agree. I don't think there's any real winners here. The suit is, what exactly is the suit that you're pursuing? Okay, I'll tell you what happened here in Knoxville last summer. Like I said, I've been working in Big Tech. I have a friend in the Knoxville Symphony who reached out to me and said, hey, man, I've seen everything that's gone on with you. I've read your story.

I think it's all ridiculous. We're having a principal clarinet audition. I think you should come out if you're trying to get back into the game. And I thought, hmm, that's an interesting idea. I don't know if I can win a blind audition. I'm not exactly a spring chicken anymore and I'm kind of out of shape. But I got back into Olympic fighting shape over seven weeks, practiced about 100 hours. That's two, three hours a day.

You know, my kids falling asleep to the sound of me practicing, waking up to the sound of me practicing, practicing all weekend. And by September, I went into this thing and I won unanimously. after two days of auditions, I was surprised myself. I was very happy about it. And they wanted to get me on the payroll in two weeks. That's what they told me when I left the audition. And two days later, I got a call from the CEO who said, hey, we looked into your past in Nashville. A couple items of interest came up and we're not going to hire you after all. So thanks, but no thanks. This is our final decision. We're not going to talk to you about this at all. Good luck to you. So I did, I did, I I did some talking around and I wondered, obviously, why did they invite me to this audition if they had no intent of hiring me in the first place? They looked at my resume. My story is out there. If they looked into what happened in the Nashville Symphony, why didn't they give me a probationary year or ask me my side of the story? It's because these orchestras are all so possessed by this diversity agenda that they cannot entertain the idea of any right-wing players showing up. They think it's dangerous.

They think it's bad publicity. That's how committed they are. It's psychotic. And so my suit alleges that they owe me compensation for my wasted time auditioning, and they discriminated against me based on my political views and race and went and hired the runner-up from the audition, who is a non-white college student. I have not heard anything yet about your political views being, exposed during all this. You know what I mean? Other than you were somewhat sort of concerned about the lack of meritocracy.

How do your political views, how do they even get into this conversation? Well, you're right, Dr. Drew. I'm an ambassador for music and meritocracy. That's what's really under attack here, is this most meritocratic process of all, the blind audition. And because blind auditions, while they may have helped women over the last generation, they didn't help minorities. Now that's being advanced as some evidence that there's some racism in the process.

These race hustler types love to say, we're not exactly sure where the racism is, but we see it in the outcomes. So it must be somewhere. So, you know, my political views, I used to keep them to myself when I was a symphony musician because all arts organizations are left-leaning.

I was perfectly happy to just come into the orchestra do my job and leave. But then, you know, the more advocacy types will start saying, look, this guy voted for Donald Trump. He's dangerous. He's racist. And I really was not putting up with that even for one second. Not just because I'm a right-leaning person,

but because I don't think anybody's political views should factor into the equation at all. I think arts should exist above politics. Is there anything in music history that, that are echoing in the present that helps us understand how this is going to play out. Can you think, you know, you know what I'm asking?

Are there ever been, I think, when I think about this kind of thing in music history, I think what tends to happen is people form their own orchestras, right? Isn't that what tends to happen? Oh, is this thinking that.

Yeah, so there's that whole approach. Like, we need to just build new institutions and forget about the old ones, but it's not really feasible because, you know, every city can only really support one great orchestra. The concert halls are already there, and let's face it, orchestras are not as popular now as they were 100 years ago. So I'm much more of the take them back approach,

take them back out of liberal control. And I do think that what's going to happen in the next 10 or 20 years is people are going to get so fed up with the sloppification of all entertainment through AI and through wokeness and TV and online, that they're going to start craving theater and classical music because they're going to show up and see people really doing things at a highly skilled level. So I think there's a huge opening in symphonies

to have a sort of renaissance. But if they're not taken back from the libs, they're going to be driven into the ground before we ever get there. So that's what I'm focused on now. Amen, that is so good. I love the idea of taking it back. I was talking to a friend, who went to visit some churches in the UK,

and she stopped by a pastor, very conservative pastor who runs a very traditional church. They have an old building. It's hundreds of years old, part of the Church of England, but the Church of England is crazy. And so I asked her, why does he leave?

Why doesn't he just take his congregation and go and be independent? And she said, he told her that why should we abandon this? This church is ours. And if we leave all of the, the property to the to the liberals or to the, you know, progressives or to, you know, to these people who don't have good intentions for it. It's a loss. Instead of running away, we should,

we shouldn't cede the ground. Those are the words he used. We shouldn't seed the ground. I've thought about it a lot since he said that. And what you just said, I think, I feel the same way about our higher education as well. Harvard and Notre Dame and Princeton. We need to take them back, not give them up. Most definitely. And Dr. Drew, you mentioned something about music history. What does it tell us? I think it's important to remember that in America, the only art form that we really produced here is jazz. Everything else that we have here came from somewhere else. But where did jazz arise from? Most people associate jazz with the black community. Think of some of the greatest jazz artists in this country.

The first one that comes to mind is Miles Davis. So we celebrate black history through music all the time. American music is heavily jazz influenced. So where is the racism, people? Yeah, we're playing the music of Europe in symphonies, but we're also playing the music of America. We're celebrating all of the contributions that blacks have made to pop culture. I just don't see that there's any kind of reason

to sound the alarm. I think we just need to stick with what we've been doing, which has always worked, which is hire the best players. That's it. Oh, you make it sound so easy. Let's leave it at that. But I don't understand how we

we move away from meritocracy in so many ways and that meritocracy is some sort of racist, fascist notion. I don't understand how we survive as a society and economy and flourish in terms of our arts and education unless we really drive people to be exceptional and that we pay attention to those people.

That's all. All right. Well, James, thank you so much. We'll keep an eye on your story. And I suspect we'll have to get an update one of these days. But Susan, hang on, Susan was a clarinetist. I'm wondering if she has any questions for James. Hi, James. Nice to meet you. I played clarinet when I was, you know, in junior high and high school.

And I was first chair of second clarinet every time I did a blind audition and won for the entertainer. It was a little quartet. And they made me redo it because they didn't, they couldn't believe it was me. And I cried and I cried. It was terrible. I was only 14. And I ended up winning the second time. time. So when you were telling a story

about preparing and getting ready I started tearing up, it made me cry. Yeah. So, I'm glad you shared that. It's a it's an odyssey for sure. And it's a very it demands a lot, which, and you can imagine how upset I was after 100 hours spent. Yeah. And her, her story,

her story is the result of the excesses of the pre-blind. In other words, the men were in control. And even though they sort of did a little sort of nod at the blind audition, when a young girl who was barefoot walked out, they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I didn't wear my shoes. You go back to the beach. But don't you guys see what is happening here? We've just traded one power dynamic for another. And that's all these human interactions are. It's just group trying to get power over each other, the feminists or the men or the misogynist, whoever it is. All it is is is power play.

It's all a power play. They try to sell it to you as equality. But all it is. is a power play. That's right. That's sad. That's sad. James, thank you so much. We'll look for you on X. Anywhere else you want people to go? X is the best place. Thank you so much for having me on, Dr. Drew. Good luck, James. We'll see again soon.

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people seeing you here today, not just us. I want to give you the chance to tell your story in your own words. And then I'm sure Kerr will have questions and I know I will too. So tell us what happened. Sure. So to say that what happened is a very long story, probably be putting it mildly. You know, if we had three, four hours, I could probably trauma dump for three or four hours, but I will try to, I guess, stick to the important parts. Essentially, hi, for people who don't know me, my name is Lauren. I suppose maybe I've reached a level of infamy now where I can say I'm actually

the Lauren Chen, but basically I've been kind of in the political sphere doing commentary, doing videos for, gosh, almost 10 years now. So it's been a while. And, you know, I've previously done videos and content for the Blaze, for TPUSA. You know, I've collabed with Prager You as well. And we, you know, I guess what people are probably going to want to hear about is that we also had a company tenant media where we were basically working with established creators mostly and licensing their content, kind of conglomerating it. And gosh, September 2024, one day we woke up and there was banging on our doors. We rushed downstairs and opened the door and we saw that the FBI had sent 30 armed agents.

And they were literally in the process of they were about to start breaking down our door. Because apparently they had been trying to knock, but we had taken too long to come because they had actually just. woken us up. We didn't get there fast enough. So they were about to break down the door. Thankfully, you didn't have to do that. But they, in the hours that followed, conducted an entire raid and searched our house, they seized all of our electronics. It was a pretty traumatic moment, honestly, for the weeks and weeks after any time I heard a door knock, I was on edge. I was thinking to myself, oh gosh, does that sound federal? But what followed after they left and we were kind of left in a days because they served as a search warrant,

but we didn't really know what was going on. Kind of in the hours that followed, we saw that Merrick Garland himself, so the AG himself gave a press release on a case related to us, which doesn't usually happen. A case has to be pretty high profile for the AG to speak on it personally in a press conference, but essentially the Attorney General was implying that our content on tenant media was propaganda was meant to so division in the United States. And because we were in that election season, this is September 2024, so just a couple of months before the general election, you know, also implying that, hey, this is all an operation

to drum up support for Donald Trump was the narrative. And my husband and I were very confused. The FBI has assured us that there was no charges against us. We weren't being charged with anything. Yet the media storm that followed very, very much tried to paint us as criminals, propagandists, spies in the days and weeks that followed to say that we had a crash course in how the, and how federal investigations work would be putting it mildly. You know, after the FBI left, we ended up finding out that our bank accounts had been frozen.

So they didn't just end up seizing our electronics. They also seized our bank accounts, which was very difficult because, let me tell you, when, you know, when the FBI raid your house, you're going to want a lawyer. And then when the, when the AG himself is basically accusing you of trying to subvert the election, you're going to want a good one. But, you know, of course, our accounts had been frozen. We had to reach out to family to help get a retainer together for legal representation. And, you know, basically we had every mainstream media outlet you can think of, do hit pieces on us,

where the content that was put out by American creators who had total editorial control over their content, like Tim Poole, Benny Johnson, even some Canadians like Lauren Southern, and their content was now being referred to as pro-Kremlin propaganda, which is absolutely untrue. And no, it was a total joke, honestly. And I never had much trust in the mainstream media, but seeing how they twisted the story to that extent, it was frustrating.

Yet at the same time, you know, this is a very high-profile case, and my lawyer is telling me, look, we need to navigate things that the government is doing. I wouldn't really worry about the media right now. Like let's focus on this. When the time comes and this all goes away and you can see that's not going to be any charges against you, you'll be able to kind of clear the air. What's been frustrating, though, is that

so we were basically offline for an entire year as there was an investigation going on. But the investigation was closed, I believe. We heard that it was closed in April after our lawyer reached out to the FBI looking for an update. And it's funny because we didn't really hear back from anyone after, I would say, December.

So, you know, September, this rate happens. The AG is giving this press release. We're painted as public enemy number one. I'm getting death threats. We have to move because people think that I'm a spy who's trying to subvert the election. And then after December, there's nothing. You know, there's silence.

We give it a few months. but after a while we basically ask our lawyer, hey, should we reach out to them? This is weird. You know, we were the most important people on their radar for a little bit, it seemed, and now there's nothing. So when we finally did reach back out to them, they confirmed that the case was closed.

They would give us our electronics back. Wouldn't give us our bank accounts back, which is still something, you know, we're trying to fight for. Wow. You still don't have your bank accounts back? Oh, no. No, we don't.

And it's actually frustrating because we, There was obviously a lot going on in September of 2024. But, you know, when we kind of were informed that the investigation was closed and that we could get our electronics back, kind of at the forefront of our mind is like, okay, great, can't we get our bank accounts back? My lawyer did reach out to the SD&Y, which is kind of the most infamous branch of the DOJ. They're the ones who have handled the Epstein files. They're also the ones that when Eric Adams had the charges against him, they were later dropped. But when he had the charges against him, it was also the SD&Y that was handling it. My lawyer inquired and was told by the SD&Y that basically those funds had been forfeited.

And now, of course, my lawyer informed us, like, that's kind of strange because usually if there's like any type of forfeiture going on, you're supposed to be notified, you know, by letter in writing that that's what's happening. we did not receive any notification to that effect. We definitely would have remembered being notified. Like, by the way, not only are we taking this, you're not getting it back. So, you know, we do feel that proper procedure was not followed there. But, I mean, essentially we were told sucks to suck. And, you know, we are still trying to pursue avenues.

I want to stop you. I have a couple of questions. First of all, S.DNY, Southern District, New York, right? Oh, yes. Yes. I'm sorry. I'm way more in the weeds of this stuff than I would ever want to be. I know.

Other district New York. I know. I want to make sure the audience is able to follow you. And then you use the word frustrating. That is the, I mean, that wouldn't even cover a euphemism for how I would be feeling. Were you really just frustrated? Or do you want to fucking scream and run down the street and let everybody know how awful this has been? Oh, I mean, as it was happening, it was like being stabbed in the chest.

But I guess, you know, the benefit of us being removed over a year from this actually happening is that I'm at least able to talk about it without, like you said, breaking down, screaming, trying to break things. But I guess what's important also to note is that, you know, even though Tenet was painted as like this propaganda operation, these were our savings that we had kind of invested in the company that we were trying to. to grow our company. You know, the money that they seized involved money that we had gotten from TPP USA contracts, contracts with the blaze that they had all, it was seized. And what was also frustrating is that even though we weren't being charged with anything, we asked at the time if it would be possible for us to, you know, get some of that money back and put it toward representation for the company and for ourselves, which my lawyer says sometimes if they feel like being nice, they'll let you do. We were not allowed to do that. Not allowed to do that. Not

only were we not allowed to do that, but any money that we had kind of outside the accounts that was taken. We quickly found out that there were a bunch of our actual employees for tenant that had not gotten paid for the month because of when they had frozen the accounts at the beginning of the month. So not wanting our employees to not be paid, we had to come up with that money ourselves. We also had our corporate card that, again, the charge card payment hadn't gone through beginning of the month. So now we also owe that. It was, I don't know how to, you know how to, to how to explain how much of a bad month September was. The SD&Y is still, I don't know, I don't know what's going on over there,

but the DOJ is a very different Department of Justice right now. Are you getting any sympathetic ears? Are you getting anyone that now are being more collegial, human-like, you know, sane? Yeah, well, this administration is definitely more friendly. We are no longer being treated like we're active criminals, which is a very, very refreshing change because I can say that the people who were basically in charge of our case at the time, they did everything that they could essentially to ruin our lives extrajudicially. Because everything that happened to us, the smearing of us, the seizing of our property,

we never went to court. We were never charged with anything. There was like no, I guess, no ability for us to say like, hey, clear our name. because we were never taken to court. And don't get me wrong. I didn't want to get taken to court. But at the same time, it kind of left us in a frustrating position

because we used to be a society that believe that, hey, charges don't necessarily mean you're guilty, right? Because you have to have your day in court and prove you're innocent. What I quickly learned is that we are now living in a culture that believes no charges doesn't necessarily mean you're innocent, which is frankly an insane standard that I've discovered. They can find, they can, you show me the man,

I'll show you show me the court of the man. I'll show you the crime. What was it, Stalin said? Yeah. Very much so. I've still got, I've got a bunch more questions, but Kira, I'm wondering if you have some questions. Well, I really have some observations here, Lauren.

And one of the things that I was thinking about when you were sharing your story was, oh my God, what if they had one? You know, because this is a horrible story. But in, so this weekend, my comfort. is going back and watching election night results from 2024. So I rewatch. I did the MSNBC feed. I'm on ABC now.

But I haven't watched it for a minute. And I think I'm going to write about this because I'm seeing it in a new light given what we're experiencing right now with ice and all of this. So when I was watching it, Lauren, I'll tie it back to what you said. When I was watching it, I realized that the complaints that the people were making at the beginning in the night and the end of the night in the liberal media, I realize they're broadcasting exactly what their intentions were for us. You go back and listen to it, you're going to see a lot more heated language. We were laughing because it sounded sad at the time, but now that I see what's

going on, it wasn't. It was heated and it was predictive. And one of the things they were saying, Jen Saki and some of the other MSNBC host was, we have to make examples of people. We'll have to fight these battles in other areas. The governors will become important. We're going to have to hold people accountable for who they do business with. And that's what they were thinking of doing, knowing they weren't going to have the influence at that time, you know, in the beginning of the night, it was so cute. They thought they might get away with, you know, just losing the house. That was so cute. And so, you know, that was what they were going to do, even being the losers. your case, you saying the way they described me, Merrick Garland, you know, talked about us being agents of the Kremlin, that's what you were the test case, you were the stress test. That's what they were going to do to all of us in media for sure, but definitely to the average American, just like we saw them do to the truckers up in Canada. And it's really important that we tell stories like this, Lauren, I want you to talk about that too. It's important because, A, you're still going through that. You're still feeling effects.

this in many ways, but B, just because we're out of the woods, electorally speaking, doesn't mean we're out of the woods, morally speaking. We need to be talking about this stuff. By the way. It never happens again. Yeah, and they were so Russia, Russia, Russia in Nutty Kuku. R.T. was sort of in their crosshairs. William Shatner had two different shows on that network, everybody.

And why didn't anybody raise an issue about that? Now, his name has ever been brought up. And I was on, I was on his shows. I've been on RT many times over the years. Right. And that was actually something that, you know, coming back, people are like, well, you were on RT. And I want to say, yes, I wrote articles for RT.

I stand by, you know, I've done an article for them on Megan Markle. I did one about, you know, whether America was really racist. I don't think that it is. You know, this was, no one was feeding me any talking. points, these were my honest opinions. And, you know, what's been so crazy is that, you know, with everything coming out, there was a huge distortion of the fact and what was actually happening by the DOJ. But if I thought that was bad, the distortion that the liberal media added to that was just beyond the pale. You know, I'm being accused of now my own tweets having talking points.

It's like, trust me, if there was anything to support that, DOJ would have let you all know. Again, that's what was so horrible. I'm the most investigated influencer out there. That's one so horrible about this. My opinions are my own. They're stacking, right? They're stacking their tools against you, Lauren. So you were saying it would be one thing for the DOJ to be saying this or one thing for the media to be saying this.

It's quite another when they start working together, isn't it? And coordinating their messages, that's not an accident either. It's so dangerous. It's so dangerous. This is such a clear warning story. No, definitely. And, you know, Dr. Drew, you mentioned the... Sorry, go ahead. Our form of government is supposed to protect against exactly this. That's precisely the function of the federal government.

But go ahead, Lauren, you were going to say. Well, you know, you asked whether things had changed in the DOJ and what I've learned over my time kind of grappling with this. It's just how many differing influences there are within the government. Nothing is easy or simple in the government. I really didn't quite understand what that meant until I experienced it firsthand. It really is the Leviathan because right now there are people who are in the DOJ and who are in different agencies who want to help us, who see that there's, you know, there's been no charges.

There was an entire investigation, you know, over months and months, everything that we owned was searched all of our electronics. And I want to add that, you know, if there's, if there's a warrant and they search you and they find a crime that's unrelated to the warrant, they can still charge you with that. They'll go after it. We have no, exactly. They will go after it. That's what they hope for. Essentially, we survived an entire search of our house, of our lives, electronic, you know, everything under a microscope, and we still came away with nothing. I don't know how many people, especially in our industry, would be able to say the same. So there are people who see what was done. They understand what the motivation

was. They are trying to help rectify things, especially in regard to our C's bank accounts, but they are coming up against roadblocks within the system. Because, you know, Trump has his team and a lot of great people are in, but the swamp is real, is what I will say. The swamp is very real, especially at the SD&Y. Jay Clayton, I believe, is the new U.S. attorney there. You know, we hope and we pray that we can have resolution to this, that we can start to be made whole again. You know, we have now returned to the states, which has been such a huge blessing. After, I guess, everything that happened, obviously, I stepped away from social media. I basically had to, because of the, you know, the legal situation.

And so my work visa expired. And because I wasn't really working anymore, I couldn't apply for a new one. Thankfully, with the new people that are in power now, we were able to actually get a fair shot of things. So there were some little hit pieces that went out when I announced that I was coming back to the states. And I just want to say, like, there was no favoritism in us being able to return. In fact, really what the Trump administration and their people in power have done

is give us a fair shot. They re-examined the case. They took another look at everything to make sure that there was nothing that would pull into question American safety or anything like that. And once they saw that there was really, really nothing that would prevent us from being issued a visa, they basically let us be treated like everyone else, which was something that the Biden administration made it clear that they were not going to be willing to do. Well, who even cares if there was favoritism in bringing you back, Lauren, there was favoritism

in charging you. There was favoritism and walking into your house and like tearing apart all your stuff and freezing your bank accounts. I forgot to mention I was also pregnant. I was pregnant when this happened. We don't care about favoritism. You know, we're not playing those games. We decide we're not apologizing anymore on this show today.

And also, we don't care about favoritism if it's favoring people who deserve it. Yeah, and that's, I guess, you know. Lauren, I want to stop you. I'm going to take a break here. Can you stay with us about a while more, 15 more minutes or so? Of course. Okay. So I want to take a little break.

and I'll let you finish that thought. And then there's two other topics I want to get into. One is, and it's for both of you, really, what we think is about the Minnesota situation, Minneapolis, and what about Iran? All right. So, Lauren, we come back. We'll finish your thought,

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the, what she would say, the brains behind Tenet and her story of woe is just like, frustration does not even begin to cover the feelings I have on your behalf when I hear this story. And it is a time when people are being hunted. People were being actually hunted down for having a point of view and certainly silenced COVID was even a more egregious example that devastating takedowns were the order of the day

and that was from the medical community towards the medical community. I can just imagine on the political side but you were trying to finish a thought Lauren before I interrupted to take that break. What was that thought? Well, just that even though the Trump administration has come in now

that there is still, there are still a lot of people within the government who are hostile to his agenda and, you know, having experienced it just on such a small scale, I see from the outside that there are people who are frustrated that there isn't more being done of what they voted for, but let me tell you that it, and getting anything done is a, is an uphill battle. You know, even if with our small case still, still ongoing in the way it is, with our bank account sees, I can only imagine on a macro scale. And I would also be... And I've been exposed to

Maha. I've been exposed to Maha and their frustrations. It's phenomenal how difficult is. And the fact that RFKG units been able to forge on is also remarkable. I'm impressed that anything is able to be accomplished. And I would also like to mention that you mentioned a GivesendGo link at the beginning when you introduced me.

The Givesendgo.com slash Lauren Chen. That is for the legal fees. Even though we never were charged with anything, we still racked up around six figures in legal fees, which is they can really kill you with lawfare. We've seen that they've tried to do that with President Trump as well, six figures in legal fees, and we were never even charged with anything, never taken to court. So, you know, if there are people who wonder why we, I guess, don't try to sue for our bank accounts back, that is one of the options. But, you know, we it's an expensive thing to do.

Yeah. Yeah. Yes, for sure. Yeah. It's actually, again, I want to go back. Right. And I want to go back to the idea of what was going to happen if we didn't flip the administration. How many more Lauren Chen's were there about to be?

And if we're all. That's right. And if we're all, see, they don't have to come into our homes and drag us out of our beds, right? If we're all mired and legal, you know, rigmarole and we all, we all have our bank accounts frozen. And then at that time, you know, Elon bought eggs. But, you know, if we all have our social media accounts frozen, it's the same thing as putting us in handcuffs, throwing tape over our mouths, and taking us to jail. What was you were going to be an example for the rest of them? And people need to really take the story you're telling us seriously.

And I want to say that, Drew, to what you just said about COVID, too, that we're seeing that during COVID. Let's not forget about it and pretend that this, whoa, isn't that a crazy time we came through? Oh, thank God. Let's move on. No, people need to go to jail. And it's not the Lawrence of the world. Right. It could never happen again.

Sorry, Lauren. I'm not yelling at you. I'm yelling with you. No, I appreciate it. I'm right there with you. Co-signed. That's funny. Minnesota.

Let's talk about Minneapolis. Both of you, either of you, where do we, how do we think about this? I just want to frame it as I, I can hold two ideas in mind. I'm not happy about it.

It's a horrible tragedy. It's like beyond awful. And I can also say, Jesus, these people that help motivate, it was inevitable, given the way the rhetoric was being fomented in that town.

But what do you guys think? Lauren, you're a guest. Well, I just think that, like you said, as terrible as it was that someone had to lose their life, it's also, I think, the predictable outcome when we have a media and even some politicians, honestly, who are acting as if Trump is a literal fascist and ICE are basically the SS, walking through the streets of Minnesota, you know, breaking into people's homes randomly and then putting them into concentration camps.

That is the level of rhetoric that we've seen from the left about the issue of, you know, immigration, illegal immigration. And so it's not surprising. And it's funny because anytime something happens like this for maybe a few days, there's talk of dialing down the rhetoric, but that never really lasts because there's a lot to be gained politically

from whipping people up into a frenzy. And especially with the midterms coming up, I think Democrats were waiting to capitalize on something like this. But let's not forget that there is an actual problem of criminality in the specific community that's being targeted. You know, a lot of the illegal immigrants in Minnesota

were not just talking about, you know, breaking the law in terms of being in the country illegally. We're talking about fraud, even violent offenses had have been committed. And so it's just, especially like in my own situation, seeing the left go to bat so hard for actual criminals while they vilified me so much, it just, I'm sitting, I'm, there are no words to describe the hypocrisy and the double standards. Write a book. Yeah.

I don't have any issues with the way things went down. I think that Renee Good, she shouldn't have been there. And the reason J.D. Bance pointed out today on X, the reason why you're seeing these confrontations. you're seeing them having in blue cities, not red cities and red states, but blue cities and blue states. Because the red cities and the red states will release their criminals from the jail

into detainers, right? But that's not what the blue cities are doing. So they're setting themselves up. But I want to point something out here. And I did this on my own podcast earlier, just Keir Davis. You can go find that. It's not just that these people are maybe a little bit loony,

a little bit fringe, or maybe misinformed. The wife of Renee Good, you can see here in the video when her, when Renee is shot, she screams, why are there real bullets in your gun? And it made me think, my God, do these people think that ICE doesn't or law enforcement period doesn't carry live rounds? And it made me wonder if they're being trained. Yeah, I, I, that's an interesting observation, but I want to, I have two women guests. I want to throw a polemic down. Okay? Male mammals have rough and tumble play.

That's true of all mammalian X, Y organisms. They, before, well before pewter, they start wrestling and fighting. And what they're doing is testing limits of the danger of one male versus another. Males, to us, are always a danger. They're always dangerous for us. and women don't really understand that. And we all through our adolescents are testing that. And then we play football.

We play basketball against opponents. And we're always working with this aggression and violence with our male counterparts. And we learn when we're going to get a punch in the face, how not to get punched in the face, what it feels like, how to get, you know, slam down an attack of football game, even if it's casual. We learn it. women get a completely different set of trainings, which is men can never touch you. They will never touch you. Don't worry about it. They can't.

They won't. They won't. And what you have in this situation, and I'm going to let our guest answer at first, is women in front of 20-year-old males who are nervous and freaked out with lethal weapons and a 5,000 pound vehicle. You don't think people could get hurt. Males that have gone through rough and tumble play would not play there. But we have told women, yeah, you go ahead. You go right ahead.

No one's going to touch you. So how do we, Lauren, how do we understand this? And you guys can disagree with me. I'm open to it. But am I honest something in what has happened here? Why are women this way? No, you're absolutely right. And I have noted on my social.

media that when we see all the footage that's coming out of Minnesota, it does seem like the people who are trying to disrupt the protests, especially in a very physical, confrontational way, they do seem to be disproportionately white middle-aged women. And the reason why I think that's important to note is, like you said, because these are people who I think by and large have probably never been in a fistfight in their entire lives. They've probably never had any confrontation with law enforcement in their entire lives. So they're not really familiar with what the threat of force looks like. And so I, I, I, saw a particular video where there's this woman, again, white woman who's standing in the middle

of the road actively blocking a vehicle where, you know, I assume they're ice agents driving. And the ice agents, predictably, their law enforcement, they have a job to do, they take her and they haul her off by force. Anyone watching that you would think would understand that. I saw one, yeah, I saw one where she spit in a guy's face and then ran and they went and tackled her. And her response is, what's going on? What's going on? What are you doing? How can you do this? You spit in a law enforcement's face and they're going to restrain you. And now you're fighting law enforcement on top of that.

I told you, Drew, when I was on the show last time, I told this is why I say, if I ever become queen of America, first thing I'm putting in the Constitution, everybody's got to get punched in the face one time real good. And I think it changes you. I think these protesters, a lot of them are learning that law enforcement, it's not like the manager. at Applebee's. Okay, you can't just bully in, you can't just do whatever you want.

There's actual consequences to your action. And it's sad that some people are learning it so forcefully, but also like here I said, I think this is a lesson some people do need to learn. Consequences. You just said it, Lauren, I think that's, and isn't that what we've been complaining about in our industry for the last decade

or more? Is that we've, we're slowly, but now rapidly removing consequences from society, the participation trophy generations and then, you know, BLM and Antifa and everything, we're removing consequences. And if you remove consequences, death ensues. It's very dangerous to be where we are right now. Yeah. And I will add, like, I, you know, I acknowledge that there are some cases where, you know, we need to make sure that the feds are also following the proper procedure. Of course, no one,

no one on the right is cheering, yes, police brutality. But I think what a lot of these, you know, these protesters aren't understanding is that there are. there are agents who have died. There are agents who have been injured in the field. These people are afraid for their lives. And actually, I have a personal anecdote for this. The first thing my husband said when the FBI showed up at our door was there are no weapons here.

We do not. We are not armed. We have our hands up, you know, because, you know, we were innocent. But at the same time, the person who's in front of us, do they know that? Are they familiar with the case? Do they know what's going on? Maybe not. And I, you know, I think that's a courtesy that law.

enforcement and civilians, we need to have for each other. And listen, we're running out of time here, but I want to ask you both, because this is way above my understanding of things and how things should be managed. The world's getting international spheres is getting way outside of my understanding. And Iran is definitely one of those situations. Lauren, you first. What should we be doing in Iran, if anything? Well, I think the first thing that we should be doing is praying for peace, you know,

tens of millions of people in the country, never mind in the region. specifically praying for the Christians that are there and hoping that cooler heads have prevailed. If people have followed me, they'll know that I'm not an interventionist. And thankfully, this president does seem like he is on the page where he does not want more boots on the ground in the Middle East. He doesn't want more American deaths. And so, you know, we've seen some, I think, some very impressive turnarounds from what seemed like inevitable war from this administration, whether that's, you know, earlier with Israel versus Iran.

We've seen this recently in Venezuela. It seems like giant conflicts have been averted. We need to be praying for that here. And I will say that there are a lot of people in the media who have basically made careers out of being wrong while trying to foment war, it seems. We've seen this with Iraq and Afghanistan. It does seem to me like a lot of the same cheerleaders

for those wars are all gung-ho for this. I'm not saying don't listen to these people. Obviously, listen to their arguments. Maybe, heck, maybe I'm wrong. What do I know? But maybe keep in mind that these are people who have kind of time and again been proven wrong when they advocate for a direct military intervention boots on the ground with the promise that it'll be fast because it never is.

I think that we are up against. Yeah. I think we're up against a lot more than what we have been in the past there. And I made a video about this in my Instagram recently about Venezuela and the super weapons that those soldiers reported experiencing and were, you know, blown away. them quite literally. And I said, you know, these aren't normal times. And we're not in a, we're not in a time when we can consider, well, only what's going on around our borders. Because here's what President Trump was doing in Venezuela. He knows that there's a global caliphate coming. And that is the other part of what is going on in Iran. And I think it was very good of you to ask Christians to pray for the Christians in Iran.

They are under an Islamic caliphate right now. They are throwing up the shackles of Islam. It's the one thing we're not really allowed to talk about that openly. And I could give you a whole history lesson on where that started, 9-11, and what happened in the direct days

after 9-11. And we flooded the zone with pro-Islam content. And it's been that way ever since. But Islam is an enemy to Western culture. And the women there are throwing up the of Islam and that's exactly what's happening. That's why we can't let Iran have a bomb. And so it's not just about, I'm with you.

I'm sick of Afghanistan and I don't want endless wars. But I am 51 years old now and I've seen some things now march across the walkways of history. And I recognize patterns and I see what Trump is doing. And he knows there's a global caliphate coming. Europe has almost fallen. I'm not sure if they're going to pull it out. That may devolve. to civil war. He's making sure

that that doesn't happen to us. So it might mean that, yeah, we do need to go in. They are on the cusp of freedom that they've never had before. They are throwing off the shackles of Islam. We might have to go in there. At least send some of our good old boys, you know, and

you know, a team in there and support freedom because that is America first. We don't want Iran to have a bomb and we definitely don't want them to be ruled by the Mullahs anymore. Those people are dangerous to American interests. I don't think the Orion is one.

To that, I will say that. Go ahead. Well, I just really quick, you know, prior to the 70s, Iran was fairly modern and, and, you know, secular, especially by its current standards. There was previous American intervention that some people say has kind of led them down the path to where they are now politically. And I think it was something like this. Yeah. Yeah. We, you know, we just have to understand that there are a lot of knock on effects that I don't always think are considered with

intervention. We saw that with Iraq, American intervention was part of what created a vacuum that led to ISIS. And so, you know, these things are always more complicated. And I think the best thing that I think everyone would want is to empower the Iranian people to, you know, grab their own destinies and do whatever needs to be done for their own freedom. I think that should be the first, we can all agree that should be the first line of defense against us. Right. I'm just saying we might need to send somebody in there to help them get it done. So then they can go and have their elections and do whatever they want. The people are sovereign. This has got to be coming out of our, in addition to freedom and it's freedom of speech and freedom of expression, the people are sovereign. We've got to keep that

on our lips. I hear it in France all the time as they try to struggle back to reality, but we'll see. Those are people who need to fight for their freedoms too. Yeah. Absolutely. So, Lauren, where are you to be found next? So you can follow me on Facebook. Facebook at the Lauren Chen on X and Instagram as well. I'll mention to give sengo.com slash Lauren Chen again for legal fees. So YouTube, one of the effects of this whole investigation, they did ban me unceremoniously, still trying to fight to get back on there, but I'm on Rumble. And hopefully we'll be producing longer form video content within the next few weeks.

You should also join us on X. X and Rumble, we had the same problem with YouTube. The COVID stuff. Got us all canceled and everything. But X and Rumble are still places you can go and speak. You can speak. Yes, definitely. Amazingly.

So, all right. Thank you, Lauren. Hopefully we'll talk to you again soon. Thank you. Welcome back. And your kids. Thank you so much. Wow.

Do you know where she was? What country she was in when she was out of the country or she just touring around her. I was trying to get her mind off all this. No, he's Canadian. Oh, my God. So, she's in here. Lauren.

You're Canadian. My mouse cuff. You're still here. Are you Canadian? I'm Canadian, but Canada, like when this all happened, they also decided to try and drag me before Parliament, even though I was in America. It was very awkward. So I actually, I haven't been back to Canada since this all happened. I went to Asia.

Yeah, I was in Asia. I was in my dad's other family from Hong Kong. Don't go to Canada. I'm Canadian too. I was up there two years ago. I told my husband, I don't think I can cross this border again. I might be arrested. And I'm being serious.

I'm not being funny. I want to do I want to do a show with Lauren and Viva and Kira and we'll have an all Canadian group here to shitting all over. You know, maybe we'll do that for you when I'm away. What's that, Caleb?

We need a lawyer on here because I just read the whole indictment again from Lauren. It doesn't make any sense at all. Like Tenet and Lauren and none of these people are even mentioned. It's all about like RT and Russia today. Like it honestly Because it's not our indictment. Right.

That's what I'm saying. It's not for them. Right. It wasn't for them at all. It doesn't look like you worked like you did anything with Russia at all. It looks like you were scammed by Russian operatives who like scammed a whole company. Like the government should be defending you against this. They shouldn't be like going after you.

Well, thank you for being the only person who apparently actually read it. Well, we're glad that you didn't drop off right away, Lauren. Well, thank you guys again so much. If I go back to Canada, I'll hit you up. We'll go together. We'll see if we can make it happen. What part of Canada from? What part of Canada?

Me? Yeah, I'm from Prince Edward Island. I'm from the East Coast. I'm from a little tiny island right off the east coast of Canada. Yeah, we went up to Victoria, and I spoke at a Save Canada conference with Dr. McCullough. And, oh gosh, who is? I'm seeing it. James Thorpe?

No, Thor wasn't there. When we were in, excuse, when we were Canada. On the Lord's work up there. No. Who was there? I don't know, Drew. I don't know if Canada can be saved. I don't know if Canada can be saved.

Now, did I tell you the last time I was on your show, I told you that my mother broke up with our family over Trump. Did I tell you this? She went no contact with us over Trump? Yeah, she went no contact with us in June. Well, my mother's Canadian, if that helps. Where she live? So sad.

It's Edward Island. She lives on an island. That island got locked down during COVID too. It's only connected to the mainland by a bridge. They shut down the bridge. She had the time of her life. She had the time of life. See, I don't get that.

It's funny. It's like there's two kinds of people in the world. People that want that, like that, feel safer with that. And people that just know better and hate it. Anyway. So. Did a great job today. day, Kira.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Taking the reins next week. I'm happy to do. Do we know who she's with? Do you have the upcoming guest, Caleb? We can talk about who you're interviewing.

Caleb, there we go. Tomorrow is Julian Michaels. We don't have a guest for her. We don't have a guest lined up for her show yet, but I know Emily's working on it. This is just very last minute. Okay, no Canadians. I don't want any Canadians. Don't bring me any Canadians.

Well, I think it would be interesting, but okay. Look at that list. So many great guests coming. Maybe you should find some good guests too that you like. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If you want to talk to Emily about the people you'd like to recommend, we'd be delighted. All right, Cura Davis. We may not be going now.

Drew's got a horrible runny nose. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Tamiflu doesn't kick in. That's true. You just let me know you know where to find me. Once again, everybody. And the book, tell me about the book. The book is drawing lines why conservatives must begin to

battle fiercely in the arena of ideas. I wrote it in 2022 when we were in the dark ages and we were facing all of the transport stuff and it's never been more relevant. Dan Bonino endorsed it. It's a no-holds bar plan battle plan for conservatives. Go find it wherever you find your votes. Yeah, Kira, there's an interesting thing about me. I can't identify as a conservative. I'm really not a conservative. I just don't like government. I don't like it through with my life. I don't like government either, but I'm still conservative. I don't know if that's the difference. Is it the social stuff?

I don't. I don't judge. I don't judge anybody. I just every time people go, I'm thinking, I'm not conservative. I'm just not. But I am sort of a libertarian. And libertarian these days sort of paints you with a red brush. It does.

Well, we're all honest to God, Drew. We're all conservatives now, really. Aren't we? Like, that's how it's gone. If you're not all the way to the left, then you're considered a conservative. But, you know, again, just to if I, you know, why don't I just bring it back full circle to where we stop since we're coming started, since we're coming to the end of the show. And you started talking about Scott. And you said, what did you love about Scott?

That you felt like he was, you guys were going to the same place when you thought you were going to be in the same space. But that is really what you loved about him as well. You don't hold all of the exact same views or ideologies. You have different experiences of the world. But you have a sense that these are the people who are going to the place that you're going. And that's how you know that's your tribe. Yep. Yep.

And really freedom is at the core of that. And who knew we'd be worrying about that at this stage of our lives. Anyway, Karen, we'll see you next week. And someone else to be here with us. Thank you. We are tomorrow at tomorrow's Wednesday. Tomorrow at 4 o'clock. We'll see you here at Pacific time.

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