Ask Dr. Drew - Lawfare: Dr. Kirk Moore Faced 35 Years In Prison For Destroying COVID Vaccines, AG Pam Bondi Drops All Charges w/ Shannon Joy & Martha Byrne – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 507

Episode Date: July 19, 2025

Dr. Kirk Moore, a physician who offered fake COVID-19 vaccine cards and saline shots for kids with parental consent, faced a 4-year legal battle against charges of vaccine fraud that carried a possible 35 years in prison. After a campaign by influencers and politicians, Attorney General Pam Bondi announced the Trump DOJ was ordering that the case be dismissed, stating “Dr. Moore gave his patients a choice when the federal government refused to do so. He did not deserve the years in prison he was facing.” The dismissal ends the trial with prejudice, but the battle continues for Dr. Moore who is not permitted to pursue reimbursement of legal fees that reportedly exceed $750,000. Justice denied or justice applied? Martha Byrne fights her husband’s spying conviction amid allegations of lawfare, and Shannon Joy amplifies liberty voices against tyranny. Dr. Kirk Moore, a retired US Navy Flight Surgeon and physician, faced up to 35 years in prison for giving his patients fake COVID-19 vaccine cards. All charges were dropped by the Trump DOJ in July 2025. More from Dr. Kirk at https://x.com/moore22k Shannon Joy is the host of The Shannon Joy Show, delivering daily commentary on culture, politics, and liberty. Her platform reaches millions monthly. More at https://x.com/shannonjoyradio⠀Martha Byrne is an Emmy-winning actress known for As the World Turns and General Hospital. Her husband – a retired NYPD detective who earned 78 medals – was convicted by the Biden DOJ of being a spy for China, and is serving 18 months in federal prison. The couple alleges he is the victim of lawfare and was denied due process. She authored “In the Interest of Justice: One Woman’s Fight Against a Weaponized Justice Department to Save Her Husband” about their case, available at https://amzn.to/3Iv1cKP. More at https://x.com/marthabyrne10 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • ACTIVE SKIN REPAIR - Repair skin faster with more of the molecule your body creates naturally! Hypochlorous (HOCl) is produced by white blood cells to support healing – and no sting. Get 20% off at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/skinrepair⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Fascinating guest today. First up, Shannon Joy brings us Dr. Kirk Moore after his case having been dismissed by the Department of Justice. Shannon Joy is Shannon Joy radio on X and also the Shannon Joy show, JOY, the Shannon Joy show on rumble. And Dr. Kirk Moore at Moore 22K, that M-O-O-R-E. Dr. Moore is a US Navy flight surgeon, a physician, surgeon, and plastic surgeon who essentially helped Pichuble escape the mandates for vaccine. And nearly because of some action of the Bryden DOJ was nearly put in prison.

Or maybe he was for a period of time. We're gonna hear all the whole story. And then finally, Martha Byrne joins us. She's an Emmy award-winning actress. Her husband is a decorated NYPD detective who was accused by the same DOJ of being a Chinese spy. It is an incredible story. These are all great stories.

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Moore and the persecution that he was facing first from the Biden administration under the Biden DOJ, and then amazingly by the Trump administration under Pam Bondi. That's what made this story so interesting. And I was only privy to the story because Dr. Moore reached out to me. It was late at night, probably, you know, 9, 10. I'm on Twitter, and we're discussing some of the medical freedom issues of the day. And he said, hey, why aren't you talking about my story? And that was four weeks ago.

It was extraordinary. And as someone who is so plugged into the medical freedom community, and it's such an important part of my show every day, we're live every day, I could not believe I didn't know this story. But it was part of that larger issue that I have right now of forgetting what happened in 2020 and 2021, and forgetting some of the people, the doctors, the nurses,

who were persecuted and are still being persecuted because of their stand. But his story was unbelievable. That led me to decide to cancel my show two days last week. I had a live show on Thursday and Friday, fly to Salt Lake City, Nevada, and stand with Dr. Moore and the local organizations standing behind him, the team from Died Suddenly, who are breathing life into his story and pushing it into the fore.

And when people realize how just his actions were and how he was actually following a higher moral law, the Hippocratic oath, the Nuremberg codes and even the higher natural law in his refusal to subject his patients to the experimental COVID vaccines, you know, without informed consent. It made his actions completely understandable. And I just wanted to stand with him and just bring as much attention and oxygen to this story as humanly possible because it just wasn't penetrating even the medical freedom community and Maha. So we had an amazing victory, a miraculous victory on Saturday as we kind of pushed this into the fore. And I was just very, very blessed to be a part of this

because we saw the truth and true justice prevail last week. Who at the DOJ, who did you get through at the Department of Justice that really thought this thing? I think that it was first and foremost, the producers from Died Suddenly wrote a really great piece that was factual based and really laid out exactly what happened in terms of this case. And when we were able to push that out

and people were able to source the story, we were tagging people like Marjorie Taylor Greene. And then she spoke up and tweeted about it. And then we had a late night tweet from Tom Massey where he spoke up. Then we had, I think, what was a real deal maker. It was the Senator Mike Lee from Utah, his home state, you know, he spoke out publicly.

And you know, that was, I think, enough to push it into the forefront so that Pam Bondi could take a look at it. We also had the situation with Bondi being under intense scrutiny for her statements, the memo that she put out kind of closing the book on Epstein and we thought, you know what, now's a great time to really just see if we can get this in front of her. And it was a collective effort.

I think that helped you. I think you're right. I think that did help. Hey, you know what? Sometimes it's interesting. Yeah, it's political, but listen, take it in order to achieve justice. And I think that we did.

Well, this whole thing is political. Look, it's all political to begin with. Well, let's bring in Dr. Moore. Dr. Kirk Moore, you can follow him on xmore22k. Dr. Moore, I want to hear from your point of view. Congratulations, first of all, on what a relief it must be to have been break free of much of this.

I know there's a lot of legal expense yet to be parsed out, but congratulations. Well, Drew, thanks for having me on. Yeah, I mean, the legal expenses right now are kind of way secondary to just the fact that I'm not under indictment anymore and I've been released and I'm a free man. You know, it reminds me of what you did.

Are you familiar with Aaron Cariotti? I know Shannon knows Aaron from the Brownstone Institute, but he stood up, he was the head of bioethics at University of California Irvine, a decorated psychiatric professor, and had been chanting to the bioethics committee at UC Irvine that, listen, when it comes time to walk the walk, you've got to walk the walk,

and it's never clear, it can be difficult, it can be challenging, and he got up and he said, listen, I've been telling you for years, it's gonna be hard, and I'm here to tell you, you do not have the bioethical standing for a mandate. And with that, he was marginalized and then fired. I feel like, and you tell me if this is true, that your main motivation was to get people out

from under mandate. Yeah, you know, look, it started with kids. And, you know, summer, you know, late spring, early summer of, you know, 21 comes around and, you know, they start talking talking about college kids needing a vaccine to go to school, even high school kids needing a vaccine to go back to class. Middle school kids were in that kind of struggle range because there were some that could be vaccinated and others that couldn't.

And so then they were going to have mask mandates for those that couldn for those that couldn't get vaccinated. And, you know, those that were vaccinated might be able to go back. And so it was just, parents were calling me all in, you know, just in a panic. And I, you know, I did the best that I could. I'm against vaccines. I have been for a long time. And, you know, and, you know,

Shannon, you and I talked about this a number of times. It's just kind of like there's no way that we are going to get a vaccine, if it's even a vaccine, in nine months when we've been trying to get something for AIDS over 40 years and we're trying to get a vaccine for cancer for 100 years. And we're going to get something, you know, for the common cold virus that's probably been around longer than humanity has to work in nine months with a novel technology that killed all the animals and all of the five studies that I knew about. All kinds of things just didn't make any sense to me.

It's really surprising to me that not a lot of other docs could kind of read the tea leaves and kind of read through and see the common sense side of this. Well, I agree with you wholeheartedly. And as someone who was trying to get to the truth during all the craziness, and you saw a little piece that rolled in here from 2022, where we were addressing mask mandates.

And it's so crazy when you look back at it now. But one of the interesting things to me is, I noticed that our surgical colleagues were much more likely to be doing things. They were much more likely to quietly be trying different things therapeutically and be maybe doing the kind of things you were doing. The so-called intellectual,

what do we call them, the cognitive disciplines, fell right in line. I mean, just fell right in line. And I thought, wow, it's right. The surgeons aren't as used to being sheep as we are, because we have been so beaten down for so long by, you know, these clinical pathways and insurance companies. We're not allowed to make a decision on anything anymore.

You guys, when you're in a surgical field, you're making the decisions. They can't intrude on that. And so you're able to still make decisions. And it was intriguing to me that you were the guys that kept speaking up. Yeah, you know, it's really interesting that plastic surgeons that I know, you know, most of them were, you know, to some degree against it. I mean, obviously, we're not controlled by insurance, the cosmetic side of it. So we don't have people telling us, you know, when to operate, when not to operate and you

know, what, you know, what your capitation is, how many patients you have to see, you know, any number of those things, we're not employed. But even then, Drew, it was amazing to me, the number of people things were not employed. Um, but even then through that it was amazing to me the number of people that Still fell in line still kind of bought the you know, um, You know bought the The narrative it just didn't make any sense to me when you really sit back and you look at the narrative and you listen to it And you're kind of sitting here that the whole thing was based on fear and fear alone fear of this fear of the vaccine Or sorry fear of you know getting sick fear of dying fear of giving it to somebody else

You know Shannon mentioned the masks You know masks were you know? It's like wearing you know it wearing a mask to prevent a virus is kind of like Putting up a chain link fence to keep the mosquitoes out of your yard You know I lost my husband privileges because I wouldn't wear a mask in the hospital kind of like putting up a chain link fence to keep the mosquitoes out of your yard. Um, and you know, I, I lost my hospital privileges cause I wouldn't wear a mask in the hospital. Um, and that started another chain of events. But, um, you know, I went in with a dozen articles and tried to get people to look at them,

to see at the Intermountain Medical Center here. And, um, they wouldn't even look at them. They weren't even interested in, in looking at them. They weren't interested in having anything to do with the articles They're just kind of like look we've made our policy and that's what we're gonna live with and even the doctors side of it It wasn't even the administrators It was the doctors that were kind of like all falling in line all kind of towing it and and it just it really doesn't Make any sense to me how? You can you know, you can throw things out the window as far as just common sense

You know medicine that we grew up being taught. And kind of like taking care of the patient first and dealing with the ethics and dealing with the morals and not letting your decision be decided by somebody else out of the room or some insurance company or some administrator or something somewhere else. In 25 years.

The extraordinary thing to me, yeah, I don't know if you were trained during the AIDS pandemic, but I was deep in that thing. And that, you know, that's an illness that had a one, not a 1% fatality rate, a 100% fatality rate at the time. And we never, we didn't wear masks. We didn't, we didn't even glob up when we were dealing with the patients.

It was like, what, if we, if we were so, oh my God, oh my God, AIDS patient, oh, she's, oh, oh, so scary, so scary. You know, and they had TB and they had pneumocystis. They had all kinds of stuff. And they had coccidio my, and guess what, we marched on in to do our job. And we never gave it a second thought.

With a 100% fatality rate. And here's one with a 1% fatality route and people are cowering in the corner. I just think it was the most bizarre thing if you went through that pandemic. Yeah, well think about it. The people that survived 2020, okay, the healthcare providers that survived 2020

with or without a sickness, were sitting here going, you know, oh yeah, I'm first one in line. You know, I had this conversation all the time with people. Drew, what is the, we as physicians and scientists the goal of a vaccine? Okay, and the goal of anything especially vaccines is to mimic natural immunity, correct? I mean we are trying to give somebody a portion of a disease that that way it prevents them from getting it gives and doesn't But natural immunity is the gold standard

right so of course of course people here that were these people here that have already gotten infected in 2020 are sitting here standing on the bandwagon going look i just got two shots why do you need two shots you know and why are you pushing it on other people and remember sanjay gupta telling joe rogan after he got over his illness, oh yeah, you'll do so much better with a booster shot. I mean, since when, when do we go around giving a six year old who had chicken pox at three, giving them a booster shot of chicken pox? It just, you know, again, it just doesn't make any sense.

Yeah, it was so weird. It's still weird. Listen, here's my question, and Shannon, I'll bring you in the conversation in a second. This is my fundamental what the F is going on here. We now know, and there's no debate about it, the spike protein is the pathogenic component of the virus.

That is what harms people. Why are we continuing to insist on a vaccine and a group of vaccines that only produce that protein? And in some cases, produce that protein in uncontrolled fashion. When we could go after the nucleocapsid, we could go after a whole virus. We could, I know Vax goes after just the protein,

I get it, but why the spike protein? Why that? Why the one thing that harms us? That tells you something's going on, doesn't it? And why are they all doing the same thing, right? Every single company did the same thing. It's not like one did the nuclear capsid and one did another part of it

and the other one did the spike protein. They all went after the same part. Well, but Kirk, I get it at the beginning. That to me was clearly the most available target. I get it. At the beginning, you were trying to rush something out. It was an emergency. You didn't know what you were doing.

Okay, I get it. I get it. I get it. We are years later and there are still college kids and our colleagues being required to get this vaccine. One thing if you want to take it, please do. If you're in your doctor, you want to give it, please do, if you're in your doctor, you want to give it to your patient, beautiful. But mandates still, there should be lawsuits everywhere.

And Shannon, this is my question for you. Why aren't people, young men, who got serious side effects from the virus because of mandate by colleges, why aren't they suing those schools? There should be, and if not individuals, doing it as a class action. Well, we've had issues with all of the lawsuits that have been brought because everything that happened

during COVID, the countermeasures that were the COVID vaccines, they're under the emergency declaration and they have built into legislation and these emergency declarations. Mandates. For the mandate, you can't get at the mandate? No, no. and they have built into legislation and these emergency declarations. Mandates. For the mandate, you can't get at the mandate.

No, no. You can't say this was, it's one thing to say it's an emergency use, people need it, but to mandate it, that's where everyone jumped the shark. Well, this is the problem. This is the bigger, this is the massive elephant in the room.

This is why I came on to aid Dr. Moore with his case. Despite the fact that Donald Trump won the election, despite the fact that Bobby Kennedy Jr. has been put in at HHS, despite the fact that we have these perceived wins via MAHA, there are still great atrocities happening. We are still under the emergency declaration. We are still under, for all intents and purposes,

the military operation that is countering the COVID pandemic. So the vaccines were a countermeasure, six feet social distancing, lockdowns. It was all part of that military operation. We are still rolling out. You're talking about the PREP Act? Yeah.

Well, the PREP Act funded a lot of this, but the PREP Act also wrote into law liability. So medical doctors and physicians and nurses, anyone involved in coercing people or mandating people to get vaccines, enjoy almost blanket immunity. And that is built into that legislation. None of that has changed. None of it. And so this is why you have people like Dr. Moore still being persecuted. This is why we can't bring lawsuits.

This is why the vaccine injured are being completely ignored in this country. Thank you to Ron Johnson, who is having a hearing today. I'm not sure if it's sanctioned, but there are vaccine injured patients, people who have lost loved ones because of COVID-19 vaccine injuries, people who are still suffering from debilitating injuries. They're not even being acknowledged by this administration and tragically yet by HHS. So there is so much more work to do. Dr. Moore is just the beginning and we're just going to push, listen,

we're pushing for justice, we're pushing for truth. We are, there are so many victories, but I feel like we're just halfway through this. We still need to get to a full reckoning for COVID era atrocities. And that's what we're fighting for. You know, it's what I do every day on the show. And Dr. Moore, what has,

as you look back on some of the actions you took, would you feel completely justified? Would you have done it differently? If you were talking to your four year ago self, how would you advise yourself? I wouldn't change a thing other than trying to get out to, you know, to get more people to come in and see me. There we go. That's what I would do. And describe to me what you believe you were doing. Well I was

taking care of my patients as they wanted to be taken care of. I wasn't I was trying to give them full informed consent. I don't know how you get full informed consent when you got a piece of paper that says intentionally left blank on both sides. You don't know what you're giving them. You don't know how you get full informed consent when you got a piece of paper that says intentionally left blank on both sides. You don't know what you're giving them. You don't know what the long-term effects are. You don't have any metagenic studies. There's no teragenic studies. There's nothing. You have no information other than some administrative physicians that are telling you that it's safe and

effective. They've been telling people that vaccines are safe and effective since the 1780s with the first smallpox vaccine. And it's the same phrase and it's the same game plan over and over and over again. This time it just happened to be a worldwide game plan that had just snookered everybody. Right. What happened to our profession?

What do you imagine? There were so many things that were laid bare that were shocking to me. What's your take on what happened to us? I mean, we're sort of from the same vintage training wise. And again, it's so, it's just shocking to me. I couldn't, I can't believe what's happened to us. Well, I think employed physicians is a big thing.

Okay, when 90% of our profession is employed and they depend on their paycheck and they're being told by the administrative and told by other people what it is that they need to do. I think there's counter incentives when the pediatricians are paid by the percentage of their patients that are vaccinated and then they don't think about it. You know, and it's multi-leveled, you know, Drew, there's, there's, uh, Angel, uh, Marsha Angel came out and said that she says she thinks that,

you know, at least 50 percent of the journal articles that are published are fake. OK. And, you know, we we have a system that is just completely falling apart. It's completely dependent on money, completely dependent on big karma. And, you know, all that all that money, I mean, are, you know, all of why is the why is the why is the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology you know recommending this vaccine for pregnant women when they've never done a study ever okay we have all that data that Jim Thorpe puts out Kim Biss puts out and everything else that talks about all the damage when have we ever

experimented on you know pregnant women and fetuses and babies? It's just, you know, you just got to wonder. And then it's algorithmic medicine. You know, you and I, when we were in medical school, I don't know how long ago you graduated exactly, but, you know, yeah, I think we're saying before. Yeah. So, I mean, we were taught, we were taught to just look at the patient, listen, you know, most of the time, I remember my professors telling me you probably if you

take a very careful history, you can probably 90% of the time find out what it is without doing any testing. We don't do that. Let me interrupt you. My own father was a family practitioner and he hammered into me the following phrase, your most important diagnostic instrument is your ear. You listen to what the patient tells you. Yeah.

And I would argue that with experience, it's also your nose because you can almost smell what's going on when you walk in the room, right? You just kind of know immediately because you've seen it what's going on when you walk in the room, right? You just kind of know immediately, because you've seen it so many times, but your ear is the diagnostic instrument. Yeah, I completely agree with that. And the other thing you were talking about with the employment thing, professionalism is gone,

or at least it's being expunged from what we do. And people do not understand what that is. They don't get it. They don't understand. And our newer peers, our younger peers, don't understand what that is. They don't get it. They don't understand and our newer peers, our younger peers don't understand what that was even. Right. Well, you mentioned earlier, Aaron Cariati. Okay. I mean, he's the head of bioethics at his center and he's trying to just kind of like, Hey guys, look over here. Look at what we're doing. I mean, we are, I mean, there's just nothing about this that is ethical. Nothing. You know, and then he loses his job. He gets, you know, he gets going, you know,

goes after first board. I mean, the standard lawfare that happened to everybody. Okay. I mean, Peter McCullough went through it. Your Corey went through it. Mary Talley Bowden had the same thing happen. I mean, it's, it's a, it's a, it's just, right. What's that? J Bhattacharya too. Yeah. Yeah. J Bhattacharya. Same thing. I mean, it's just the way the system works right now. If you are a dissident and you don't agree with the current narrative, then they'll do

absolutely everything they can to shut you up. And you know what? It's not just in medicine. I mean, I have colleagues of mine that I made the best man at my wedding is a pediatric intensivist. Okay, that I grew up with, you know, we spent four years in medical school together. It's the best man at my wedding. He doesn't talk to me anymore

because we disagreed about, you know, gun laws. We disagreed on, you know, on the second amendment. I mean, when did we get to that point that when you disagree with somebody, you just cut those people out of your life? It just doesn't make any sense to me. That's weird. No, it doesn't.

Well, listen, I appreciate your efforts. I think you may have served your patients in exactly the manner we intend to serve our patients, which is with informed consent and with proper concern for their bioethical, social, spiritual being, and giving them from us our best judgment, our best input, our best guidance, and that's what we are mandated to do. I know you're at the airport. I'm gonna keep Shannon for a minute and let you go.

Is there anything else you wanna tell us about your experience before we wrap this up? About my experience? Yeah. You know, look, you asked me earlier. I wouldn't change a thing about what you know what it is. I took care of my patients the way they needed to be taken care of. You talked to the really strong bioethics, you know, bioethics doctors out there. You know, Shannon knows one of them, a good friend of his, Clayton Baker.

And you know, Aaron Cariotti. And it's just, you know, look, stand your ground, live on your principles, do what's right, take care of the patient that's in front of you. And let's go back to kind of that traditional, you know, medical model. And, you know, just, I don't know how people sleep, knowing that they're injecting something in somebody's arm that is doing the damage that it's doing. And there's another thing you can do, too, which is be Bayesian. Always update your prior is always look at things because this is the other thing that people aren't doing. They're not they're not they're staying in their biases from five years ago. Update your priors.

Rethink it. Look at your frame. Think it through. And you could be wrong. Maybe you and I are wrong, or could be, maybe. I'm prepared to say, I'm prepared for that. I've been wrong a lot. None of us are right all the time.

And the fact that you can say that you're wrong is just a sign that you're a good clinician, period. Okay, because we're never right all the time. Agreed, 100%. Drew? Yes, Susan. Somebody on Rumble wants to know if Dr. Moore has a GoFundMe. For your legal expenses, do you have anything like that going on? GoFundMe?

So we have a we have a give send go. It's give send go slash fight for more. The number four. So F-I-G-H-T four and then more. I didn't do GoFundMe because they sometimes don't give the funds to the people that they don't like. Say it again interesting One more time give us that site. All right, it's a give send go slash fight for more the number four Thank you my friend, yeah, thank you Cheers, you got it Shannon I want to hear a little more. You know, he mentioned how it's happening, not just in our profession.

And we're about to hear about an NYPD officer who, you know, who was subjected to some wild, some wild lawfare. What should people be doing? I mean, here you've fought back effectively in very short order, right? You were able, you had some really good outcome here, appealing to the right people in the right way.

Any advice for somebody who may feel helpless out there and is sort of feeling inappropriately under the gun from the government? You know, I think that as we are living through extraordinary times, an expansion of the government and the corporate state, I don't think that we've really solved a lot of the issues, the fundamental issues that we saw during the lockdowns of COVID. People have to be vigilant.

One of my very dear friends, Catherine Austin-Fitz, has talked about what she thinks is one of the most valuable commodities moving forward in the next decade. And she said it's relationships of trust and your local community. And one of the unique aspects of Dr. Moore's case was that he had built, I mean, this has been going on for three years, Dr. Drew, $780,000 in legal fees

that he had paid out defending himself. 35 years in prison. And this was happening under the radar, but what happened was his local community stood up and they never let him go, right? It was an organization that built up and slowly but surely they were able to get this out. They were able to get it to larger platforms like Died

Suddenly and then it was kind of a cumulative effect in a rollout. But I would say first and foremost, we really need to solidify those local connections, people within our own communities and make sure that those relationships of trust are strong because I think that is the beginning in the building block. I think it's also gonna be the building block of resistance to anything that comes down the pipe in the next four years.

I am not confident or optimistic about what is coming out of this administration in terms of liberty, privacy, and our constitutional natural rights. I think that we are going to be faced with potentially another COVID type experience. And when that happens, it starts at the bottom up, and then you're able to build out and I think that's probably the most important. I think also not being afraid to challenge people who are even on your side.

One of the issues that we're facing right now, many in the medical freedom community, the MAHA community, people who oppose COVID, they have gone to sleep because they think that the good guys are in office. They think because Bobby Kennedy is at HHS that nothing bad can come out of this administration and the very people that we need to be standing up and pushing back and challenging are kind of waiting and hoping and waiting and hoping. We need to remember our principles, the things that built this movement. And if any administration, left or right,

Democrat, Republican, or agencies under that administration, if they are challenging and oppressing in any way, we need to be ready to stand up and speak out and call them out. And so that's something I think we're going to have to exercise moving forward as we grapple with the news of the day and the crisis of the day. It's like a fire hose in my face every time with what is happening. I can't remember, someone asked me, what did you talk about last week on the show?

I'm like, I have no idea. Like every day, it's just a tsunami of chaos and confusion. And I don't know how Americans deal with it. I mean, this is our job and it's a lot. So I think- Let me emphasize, let me shine a little light on something you said there about the bottom up. Bottom up is also how things go bad, right?

So Mark Schenkezy, the cognitive psychologist teaches us that yes, there are some forces above that start things, but they're able to do what they do because the bottom up supports them. It's the person reporting their neighbor who had a barbecue. It's the person at the Walmart yelling at somebody to wear a mask. You, those people are the prison guards, that's you.

You need to know that about yourself and check yourself. But the same thing is true in terms of pulling ourselves out of these things. We have to all stand up and not do the things that the top down is trying to get us to do. Shanna, what's coming up on your show? So we have Dr. Peter McCullough on tomorrow. He's going to weigh in on the Dr. Moore case

and also just the efforts to continue to keep the mRNA shots in the four. We have to stop these shots. It's tragic, Dr. Drew, that as of today, we are still recommending the COVID-19 shots for babies and pregnant mothers in high-risk categories. Right now, there are 500 mRNA technologies in the hopper at the FDA.

Most of them are expected to pass through. We have an expansion of biosurveillance through the big, beautiful bill, that massive bill that is expanding AI technology, biosurveillance. We have Bobby Kennedy Jr. saying he wants to have every American on a wearable in four years, which is part of that biosurveillance apparatus. So there's a lot to grapple with.

We're going to have Dr. Peter McCullough on tomorrow. And then of course, next week, we're going to meet. Ask McCullough about the wearables. I don't think the wearables, I think the wearables will take care of themselves because you don't have to worry about the bio surveillance and wearables because no one's going to be wearing them. Because A, they're expensive

and B, they yield almost nothing. They give you a really good strip. From your lips to God's ears. Or maybe a blood glucose. But make it be true. They really don't yield anything. Yeah. They just don't.

I mean, if somebody wants to monitor something careful in their diet, you know, and they want to watch their blood sugars, I just got to get people to stop drinking Kool-Aid and Slurpees, you know what I mean? It's, they get them to monitor their sugars after their carnivore intake, that's not going to happen. But there's literally nothing these wearables do.

And you know, even a Rhythm Strip, you're going to get an EKG from your Apple phone. That's worthless. Ask Dr. McCullough, if you can't get a 12 lead EKG, you can't really conclude much of anything. So that's that. Okay, listen, I'm going to let you go too. We'll look for the Shanna Joy Show, Shanna Joy Radio,

X is Shanna Joy Radio, and we appreciate you coming by as always. I appreciate you. Thank you so much. It was fun. All right. Take care. All right.

Coming up is another extraordinary story. This one is actually to me sort of more mind blowing, mostly because it hasn't resolved yet, and it involves an NYPD detective, a decorated NYPD detective. We're gonna speak to his wife. He was convicted by the Biden DOJ of being a spy for China,

serving 18 months in federal prison. He was definitely the victim of lawfare. She's authored a book in the interest of justice, One Woman's Fight Against a Weaponized Justice Department to Save Her Husband. There's the book. in the interest of justice, one woman's fight against a weaponized justice department to save her husband. There's the book. She's going to tell us about what happened to him and what's being done. And let's see if we can get a similar outcome

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All right, next up, it's Martha Byrne, Emmy award-winning actress from As the World Turns and General Hospital. She is the wife of the retired NYPD detective I was describing to you, who is himself earned 78 medals. He was subjected to lawfare because, as I understand it, and Martha can, you can explain this in more detail, he apparently was drawn in as a private investigator

by some Chinese nationals who were here as, not as citizens, but as legal, legal, like green card holders, something of that sort. And he needed, he was working for them as a private investigator. That simple, that made him a spy. There's the book in the interest of justice, Martha Byrne, welcome to the program. Thank you so much for having me.

I really appreciate it. It's really a pleasure to talk to you. Tell us, well, tell us the story. What actually happened to him? I saw his interview with Dr. Phil and other places. I thought it was just astonishing. It really is. And I think to go back to your opening there

is that he was hired by a New York based company, translation company in Queens, which had a legitimate website. Everything was normal. He signed a retainer agreement. He got a bank check from the company from their company and her client was looking to find his money from allegedly a construction company that had been stolen from his family

business but the man that was had stolen the money was had fled here was laundering the money he believed in the United States so he's looking to find assets and homes cars you know a day in the life kind of thing very routine for an NY for a private investigator But my husband was an NYPD officer for 14 years and when he retired after a police chase in a severe car accident He became a PI and worked on high-profile cases. I mean he wasn't like following the cheating wives You know those kind of things he worked for the Vatican He worked for presidential candidates and so when this this case came up, it was very routine. I mean, it was literally a couple of days of work. He hired two NYPD retired detectives who were also PIs.

He did some asset searches, background checks, some surveillance, he notified the local police that he was doing surveillance, which again, which is, you know, very, it's a courtesy, obviously, for the neighborhood and for everyone. The other PIs also notified the local police, they were there. And then he never thought about it. That was in 2017. He worked a few days, he made a few thousand dollars. And then in October 28, 2020, they came to our house, the FBI and raided my house before dawn in front of my children and charged him with a FARA violation. That's the Foreign Agents Registration Act and interstate stalking.

Now, there's not one piece of evidence that there was any Chinese government connected to this case, absolutely zero. He had every text message, email, invoice, surveillance report. He couldn't, he's like, what, this must be a mistake. And interstate stalking makes no sense because he's a private investigator parked on a public street and the people he was following never saw him. And there was no complaints against him, no reports, nothing. He said, this must be a mistake, so we're going to fight this. Well we learn very quickly when you tell the Department of Justice that you're going to

fight it and you have so much evidence in support of your innocence, they will do everything to bankrupt you, suppress the evidence, manufacture the evidence, and I don't say this lightly, Dr. Drew. I mean there is evidence that there was false information on search warrants and they want to bankrupt you and break you and this has been almost five years. So we went to trial for this case. How they could take this to trial was shocking. We thought well okay we have evidence we'll just use our evidence to clear him. His interrogation video was incredible. It was clearly that he was innocent. There was a $30 million civil lawsuit against the man he was following, which makes sense that he would have stolen money. Let's use that. That's great. That shows that he was

just doing a civil case. Let's talk about your career and YPD, all these incredible things. You did every single thing I just mentioned. We were not allowed to put at trial. And they were not allowed to tell the jury any of that. But they did talk to, so my husband, they investigated this. The Red Bank FBI office investigated this case for four years. In their four years, they never spoke to my husband. They never spoke to the other NYPD detectives and they never spoke to two other federal agents

That my husband had spoken to but casually about this case in 2016 but they did speak to the Chinese agents and They did speak to the target quite a bit who was actually a Wuhan official who was here in the country illegally and his family members But committed crimes the United States Illegally, Illegally. Illegally. Here we go. Illegally. And there was evidence, proof, in a case out of California that they had committed immigration fraud and it was ignored. And we were not allowed to ask them about that either or any of their crimes on the stand. And then they perjured themselves and made up stories about my husband

in prison. Now, everything I'm telling you right now sounds outrageous, but I've lived through it for five years. He was given 18 months in federal prison, 18 months. And the judge said, well, not because you did anything wrong, basically. I'm paraphrasing, of course, because the evidence was so overwhelming that he was innocent, but the jury believed the made up story and found him guilty. But the judge saw the evidence. She knows I believe right I believe she knows so she's like i'm not going to give you You know because you did anything you may have gotten stuck into this case But because you have no remorse for the victims in this case

That's why that's why i'm giving you such a such a harsh sentence now were the victims So the victim he was a high ranking w Wuhan official who fled here to the United States, having been accused of embezzlement and bribes. He was, as I said, he was proven to have committed immigration fraud, wire fraud in the United States. And we most recently found out he had donated to Hillary Clinton in 2016 under his own name. Now, I'm sorry, if you're afraid of the CCP, why would you be doing that? We most recently found out he had donated to Hillary Clinton in 2016 under his own name. Now I'm sorry, if you're afraid of the CCP, why would you be doing that?

And his family members were the same. But we were not allowed to talk about that at trial. And he was protected by this FBI and this EDNY. So the opposite happened here. They were protecting him. And over and over and over again, I said, how is this possible in this country that my family's safety, the safety of the United States of America,

the national security of this country was compromised to assist the people that want to take us down and assist them. And there were even thank you notes between one of the FBI agents and the alleged victim about helping him with his immigration and The law so there's a lot of other things about this case that are very very some this or there's something Yeah, it's all very odd. Something's not right. Yeah, right. So there's something missing

What what were the lies that he told on the stand the the Wuhan guy? So he said that there was a meeting at a mall between himself and his father that supposedly had been forced here from China But he flew first class here by the way That there was a meeting at the mall in New Jersey that my husband witnessed Followed them It never happened. How do we know that? My husband sells tower Evidence it was nowhere near a mall. There's no video evidence of a mall meeting. There's no photographs. There's no vehicle explanation about them being followed. No license plate numbers because it never happened. phone from a previous surveillance and made a story around it that they made that witness

confirm it and his wife also confirm it and the I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, his sister in law, that this happened, that there was a chase through a neighborhood and he was followed. It never happens. Okay. We had evidence that it never happened hard evidence that it never happened We had an expert go on the stand say Mike Michael McMahon was in his hometown of New Jersey Up north miles and miles away on one of the days the man said he was followed by this mysterious vehicle They tried to portray that was my husband. So this whole like calculated plan To purge of themselves on the stand to put an innocent man hero in prison

Who's never done anything wrong in his life? Dr. Drew? I mean when I tell you they had to go back to his high school. They went back to his like his high school Transcript to see if he'd ever done anything wrong his NYPD career now, dr. Drew. He worked in the Bronx Okay, his interactions with people thousands and thousands. He was in a shooting in Times Square during his career We saved hundreds of lives. He took thousands of guns off the street probably right they couldn't find one thing They found one complaint against him in the NYPD that they used at court saying he's a bad man And the complaint was from a gang member's mother who came into the precinct and was upset

that my husband called her son, who was recruiting children at a school, my husband called him stupid. That was the complaint that they used to say that he was a, what a bad person he is. To tell you, to listen to that every single day, it was like a knife in my heart every single day. I wanted to scream that They the jury's nodding always nodding, you know, this is horrible person. Oh my god

It's shocking how they can get away with it and just make it up, you know they and then you know as time has gone on and I've spoken out and I've exposed them and I've I've shown the proof They would just double down more and then I would get pressured You know, I got a letter about something I tweeted and you know the pressure but that was under the Biden DOJ Okay The fear of people to speak up and tell the truth because they were so afraid They were literally afraid to come and let's say testify for instance

One of our witnesses was terrified to come and said he was going to plead the fifth because he was pressured That fear has now been lifted because of the new administration When Donald Trump put his hand on that Bible our world changed and you know They went after him and what they did to Donald Trump trump and how they made up made literally made things up To charge him with no victim, right? No victim again We're watching this in real time going that's what's happening to our family. That's exactly what happened to us and because of donald trump kind of I said lifting the cloud of

Looking over your shoulder that you're going to be attacked and you're going to be Punished punished for telling the truth. Our world has changed but that didn't stop the fact that my husband is 600 miles away sitting in a federal prison for doing absolutely nothing wrong and he's a 9-11 first responder. He has 9-11 illness. He's had four surgeries. He needs treatment and they sent him 600 miles away Where he cannot get the proper treatment that he needs to stay healthy Uh, I don't know how we do that to our heroes in this country who sacrificed their body their mind their heart their soul

They just threw him in the garbage And donald trump what's the blue? What do you imagine this was what Are they trying to protect the Wuhan official? Are they trying to protect themselves because this guy was involved with somebody in the White House? What's, it's hard to imagine what this was. Why all this at your husband? And I think you're gonna have to come up with that explanation when you sort of try

to make sense of all this, people can understand Why they targeted him I think it was the week before the election he was arrested and China is a huge issue not just with the with the Trump administration Trump wanted more more more on China and My husband was arrested on October 28th, 2020, a week before the one of the biggest election in our country. And China was a huge issue.

What happened? The Hunter Bottoms laptop, China was, was infiltrating. Now we've learned so much more was going on with China during the 2020 election. It was ballots being printed in and with you know fake licenses like there was a lot about around the election that was happening regarding China and I think my husband was a He checked a lot of boxes. He was NYPD, but he wasn't like NYPD meaning the entire NYPD He was a private investigator and he was the only American that has ever been arrested in any of these Fox on Iberations about China

And I'm telling you right now because I know for a fact That he never should have been arrested based on the protocols regarding these Fox on operations through the FBI and when I say the FBI I'm talking about the FBI who were doing the right thing and so this office in New Jersey wanted to I believe play with the big boys and give something to DC, national intelligence, like, let's get them. You know, let's show that we can also arrest Americans in these Chinese operations to send a message. And it backfired because my husband gets clicks. He was, his picture, my picture, were all around the world in the media.

So it got this distraction about China, but nobody's safer Nobody we didn't learn and we didn't do anything better regarding Chinese operations. It was worse spy balloons police stations Where were they for the last four years, you know before when my husband got involved in this case They could have spoken to him and they could have helped He could have and everyone now that I know group really incredible FBI agents who have come forward say we would have loved to work with your husband. This was totally wrong how it was handled. So there's got to be an investigation. I'm a lot deeper into why they picked my husband and they shouldn't have because it was totally inappropriate to that effect. You're you're in washington now.

I am imagining you're there to try to get to somebody to get to somebody. What do you plan to do? Both A, what do you plan to do and B, how can people help you? Well, thank you so much. So Congressman Michael Lawler, who's been incredible and been supporter behind us for years and years. There is a pardon clemency right at the White House and It has been filed and vetted and it's it's right there I just want Donald Trump to read the the details and I feel like he would sign it You know if he sees and here's what really happened here. He'll say that happened to me and he'll understand I was down. I've been running around DC meeting with several congressmen who have been supportive of

Um, I was down i've i've been running around dc meeting with several congressmen who have been supportive of of michael also congressman pete sessions and Other members of the trump administration who have just been phenomenally supportive, you know We have the backing we have the support people know he's innocent But as you know in this town, you know There's a lot of boxes that have to be checked and a lot of steps that have to be taken to get him home Um, but we have the support it's not going on deaf ears and I want people to hear that when they understand that if you keep talking and you keep going out there and you keep showing the facts people will part paying it start paying attention and it's happening and I'll never stop until he's exonerated

and freed and I will tell you the meetings I've had down here in the last 24 hours that there that people are determined to make that happen. Um, but if you go to the pipe, I know you're, I know that you've got your eye on the target, which is get your husband home. And I fully endorse that. But I also want to know what what was going on here. I'm going to know what is wrong with a lot of people down here want to know the same. A lot of people want to know.

Yeah, here. Yeah. Oh, yes. This is a lot of yeah, but I think we have a chance now I think with this new administration I think with the judiciary committees and the oversight committees and the oversight committee did a report on the CCP in October of 2024 James Comer saying my husband shouldn't have been arrested and it was weaponization and so that was a huge win for us That 45 members of Congress agreed so we're getting there We're getting there, but it's a lot of work and we need your support

It's why having conversations with you changes changes that the you know people listen and educate themselves understand What really happened that's why I wrote the book, you know I want if people want to stand how this can happen to innocent people How do they get how do they win 99% of their cases? How do they win 99% of the cases? How do they win 99% of the cases? Those odds are ridiculous, right? How do they indict 99% of the people that they try to indict? Read my book. You'll see how they do it. And it's scary and it needs to change. And if people want to help, we talked about the Pipe Hitter Foundation, which

is Eddie Gallagher's foundation. I don't know if you're aware of Eddie Gallagher, the Navy SEAL captain who was falsely accused of murder, has this wonderful foundation called the PipeHitterFoundation.org and they've been with us from the beginning and never stopped supporting us. And Mike has his own page there and there's updates on the case and lots of pictures about what's going on here and who I've met with. And we have a tremendous amount of support from the fan base who have been amazing. I mean, being on television for 45 years does have its benefits and support system built in.

People who love you because they know you. And they know my husband. They saw us get married, have our children. They know my husband's a hero. So I have to thank them as well, because without them, I don't know who would be listening. And that's a sad state, but we're gonna help a lot more people

when Mike gets home and we're gonna help unravel this case. Right, I mean, it is sad that others can't appeal to the same population that you can, but by the same token, if you see this thing all the way through, you may protect God knows how many people from similar events. That's right, that's my plan. So that's my plan. That's my plan. I think God put you in

position. I say God lead you to it to get you through it. You know, like that's how I feel like God wouldn't put us in this position if he didn't give us the strength and belief that we could get through this and help other people. And I have to take it as an honor to be able to fight for other people for the voice of the voiceless. And my husband feels the same way. He's like I feel like I'm deployed I feel like I'm fighting for the rights of so many people. Why else would you spend millions? Why would you spend millions of dollars? Why would you spend? Why would you? Please no, he did nothing wrong, but you're gonna lose millions of dollars your reputation

They're gonna try to be break up your family, you know, you get followed people call you a spy They think you're a traitor. They want to you know harm your family like to take that on to take on that kind of attack You have to really stand in the truth And if the truth is what wins in the end it is worth it because it might happen to the next guy And we'll be standing right next to them to help them fight that battle because we've been given the gift of the opportunity to fight and win. Because we will win in the end, we will.

And maybe it'd be easier for the next person who won't feel so alone. And maybe that's our next purpose in our life to use what we've been given, the platform we've been given, the support we've been giving to share it with the next person who will feel attacked and alone. But listen, if we can stop one person,

I've spoken to FBI agents who looked at this case and go, why the hell did they go forward? Why did they speak to your husband? I said, I don't know. I don't know. He would have helped, he would have been thrilled to be a part of it You know something they didn't ask him because they didn't want his help and they didn't want him to participate because it would have foiled

Maybe something else And he could not have been apart. He would not have been he should not they didn't want him a part of that Because he doesn't do anything It's so crazy that we are living through that time when standing up and speaking up seem to be very important. Yes. Very important mandates that we just have to do it.

And if you're, like you said, if you've been given the audience and you've given the outlet and you have the need, the truth must be spoken at all times because we have been through some really wild, continue to go through some wild times where truth begs no issue. And it is time to bring back the truth

or at least an approximation of it as best we can get there. I'm gonna send people to your ex, which is Martha Byrne, B-Y-R-N-E-10. And I'm looking at a Amazon, I don't understand what this is. Amazon slash DP slash B-O-F-B-J-Y-2-D-D-7-R. What is that?

What is that? I don't think that's the link. Is that some weird typo? You know what? It must be the link to your book. I think so. That's the link to the book. I think that's the link to the book. Yeah, it's the link to the book. Okay.

Yeah, yeah. So they don't have to type that in. They can just go to DrDrew.com and the link is on the page. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. It's getting, it's getting, it's people, people are, people are responding to the book and it's, and they're getting it.

They're reading it and they're getting it. They're understanding how this happened. And it's, I'm trying to be, I wanted to write a book where anybody could pick it up and get, get the case and understand the justice department and the weaponization in, in one book and also families struggle, but yet triumph and through faith and family and love and strength and support, that's how you get through these, these difficult times. You know, my son became a police officer through this

I mean believe it or not my sons a cop now My other kids are doing wonderfully and they love they're so proud of their father for fighting back So we survived but we got to get him home. I mean, well, it's it's you know We we don't like that. These are the realities that we've been handed and yet they're How you respond to them says everything right? You don't want I don't we don't want to be in this position, but you've been put here however, you choose to believe that happened God whatever your higher power and Responding to it and resiliently making meaning and changing and making a difference. I mean, it's a gift. It's just unpleasant.

It's just super, super unpleasant. It is. But I think when you're when I would been in the industry, entertainment industry since I was 10 years old and my mom always told me, if you've given this gift to be on television and you have the opportunity to help other people because of what you've been given this gift. I always did that. I was on St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. I was on their board. I raised, you know, but I mean, that was my cause

for all my entire career because I had an opportunity and a voice. And now I have this voice to help others in this. And it's actually happening to me and my family. So I consider it a gift. And I'm sad, it's horrible that happened to our family and especially my husband who was just a wonderful human being, kind, unselfish.

Well, he will, stay optimistic. We want to believe that he will have his day. And are you talking to the people in the justice department? Yes. Yes, yes. I mean, Ed Martin actually endorsed my book ed martin who is the pardon attorney He's also the weaponization czar he endorsed my book and he says a beautiful quote in my book about

About the what happened to mike and he's been a supporter and i've i've met ed years ago But before he got into doj and and he had me speak at Bedminster about weaponization of government as a guest. So, you know, listen, there's a lot of moving parts, there's a lot of people that have to go to look through this case, but we've never once had anybody say, everybody said he was totally railroaded, totally railroaded and used. So.

And I mean, just, I'm thinking about the the success that dr Moore had you know by getting up the food chain at the Justice Department Is that something that could help you guys or is it a different absolutely? Oh, no. No, absolutely I mean this is this is hi. This is a DOJ case I mean this is out of the federal case of the Eastern District of New York and many people many people in our husband's case Have been fired since this case has happened which which is almost unheard of for anybody to get fired or left. So people are running for the hills because this is a case that is so riddled with corruption,

awful. So the new DOJ, the new blood that's coming into the DOJ and recognizes the weaponization and the lawfare and using, you know, not taking the law and kind of moving it and changing it to the way they need it to get somebody as opposed to exonerate somebody is the opposite of how the Justice Department is supposed to work. So I know the long-term goal is to clean the Justice Department and get back to the root the roots of what it should be Which is remove the innocent and and convict the guilty period Martha we appreciate you being here and

We'll love to hear some updates and best of luck with this and however we can help please please let us know Thank you so much. Dr. Jew and everybody who was watching, you know we're we feel the love and we feel the support and You know, it takes a village to clear an innocent man. It truly does take a village. So thank you pretty wild I also as I said, I hope it uncovers the as you say the bad guys like how this is how we can prevent this from happening Again, thank you very much Martha prevent this from happening again. Thank you very much, Martha Byrne, everybody. Thank you, thank you. So coming up, I know we have Jenny McCarthy

on Thursday still on the books, and tomorrow, let's get the schedule up there at two o'clock. Oh yeah, Leila Mickelweight, she is leading the charge to try to, she's very specific what she's trying to do. Pornhub and all those, what she calls them, tube sites are letting people put up, without their consent, a bunch of porn,

and she's trying to get that to stop, and as well as trafficking issues. Emily Hagen, Susan, what is Emily gonna give us tomorrow? She's always welcome. She's gonna give us an update on... I don't know. Epstein. Epstein, okay. I don't know.

You said something about... She always has a lot to say. Oh, yes indeed. And she's been... I've been watching some of her Instagrams. Anyway, we'll get updates from her. Gis Lane, does something happen with her, did you say, before the show started? No, no, it was wrong. I'm sorry. Okay. Nothing yet. Jenny McCarthy, Alison Morrow, David, Philip Wegman.

Just Jeffrey Rose is a hypnotist. That should be interesting. Oh, she's going to talk about Epstein, according to Stephanie Van Watson coming back. Give us an update on some of the new research on fatty. Kennedy's coming in here. Those who, I don't know if you're aware, but I've known Kennedy for 35 years, something like that.

Maybe more. Yeah, maybe more. Yeah. And again, we'll be here- She was a wee one. She was a wee one. We will be here at two o'clock tomorrow and we'll see you there.

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