Ask Dr. Drew - Lindsay Clancy: A Psychiatrist & An Attorney Explain Why Mistrial Was Inevitable Under MA Insanity Law – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 663

Episode Date: September 9, 2026

Lindsay Clancy admitted to murdering her own 3 children. But the jury remained deadlocked, with 1 holdout, until the judge was forced to declare a mistrial. Did the jurors follow the law – and what happens next for Clancy? Massachusetts law complicates this case because it is different from most other states when it comes to an insanity defense. MA does not make the defendant prove she was insane. Once the defense puts in evidence of a mental disease or defect, the state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she was still criminally responsible: that she could both appreciate the wrongfulness of the killings and had the ability to control herself. Most states flip that burden onto the accused. This means jurors can accept that she murdered her children and still vote not guilty due to insanity, if the prosecution left any reasonable doubt. Dr. Daniel Amen, founder of Amen Clinics and a double board-certified psychiatrist, reviews Clancy’s medication list – over a dozen psychiatric drugs filled in the four months before the killings, including quetiapine, diazepam, lorazepam, and zolpidem, several of them layered on top of one another – and her insanity defense. Attorney Christina Bobb, author of Defiant, explains why this case is unique because Massachusetts places the burden on the prosecution to prove criminal responsibility beyond a reasonable doubt rather than on the defendant to prove insanity – and news that Clancy’s attorney is seeking a pardon from President Trump. Also joining: actress Bai Ling, known for The Crow, Star Wars: Episode III, Crank 2, and her Asian Oscar-winning performance in Dumplings, on her new music, her fashion line, and the book she is writing about Hollywood. 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • BIOPRO - BioPro+® is a natural formula of growth factors and peptides that support how you look, feel & perform. Learn more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/biopro⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

So much show to get into today. My guests are terribly accomplished, and so I'm going to just do a brief sketch and then get into each of them individually. My third guest will be Christina Bob, C.H. Christina underscore Bob on X. She has written a book, Defiant, inside the Marilago Rage.

She has been a great source of information for us as it pertains to so many of the accusing, the confusing experiences legally across the last three or four years. We met her at the Brownstone Institute. And we will also have today Dr. Dan Ayman, a friend of mine, a psychiatrist who has an expertise in central nervous system imaging. He has written many books himself. You can follow him at Doc Amon, D-O-C-A-M-E-N. I think his last book, Change Your Brain, Change Your Life, or his last one, raising mentally strong kids?

I'm not sure. Many, many books. A lot talk about Dr. Amon and Christina and I will be discussing amongst other things. the details, some of the details about the Lindsay Clancy case, particularly with Dr. Aiman, will be sorting out depression and psychosis. And with Christina, we'll talk about things such as what the burden of proof was for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts that made the case almost certainly set up for a mistrial. But first up, we have the one and only by Ling.

She has many things to talk about with us, including her songs. Rehab is the latest. and she has a book. She is currently writing called My Outrageous Romance in Hollywood and in her, I believe it's her directorial debut film called My Quarantine Romance with Toilet Paper. So we're going to get into her fashion shop, bilingualholywoodshop.com.

You're going to follow I-M-B-A-I-L-I-N-G on Instagram and Real By-Ling on Twitter. Bye joins us from, of all things, Kazakhstan, where she had to pull over to find some internet access to be able to join us. I guess it might be mourning for her there. We appreciate it very much. Back with Bylang after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopaths start this.

He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for, I say, where the hell you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real.

We used to get these calls on Loveland all the time, educate adolescents, and to prevent, and to treat. You have trouble, you can't stop, and you might help stop it. I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. Voted in as one of the most beautiful people in People magazine. Byling is an international award-winning actress and performer. She's got a bunch of stuff she wants to talk to us about today.

it is great to see you. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. I miss you, Dr. Too. Somehow, without you, it's vulnerable when somebody trying to be sober. And I was the first psychiatrist with you because I never heard a concept of a psychiatrist in where I came from. So I think everything I do is good.

Everything I hear should be by myself. So you are the one. Actually, I remember a lot of things. I still was, still is my principal. that when I'm trying to be not only sober but healthy and also how to conduct the life in the way that I damage myself too much. Last time we spoke, it was with, I think Bob Forrest was here with us, and I was kind of moved by something you said about how

you had never really spoken about the traumatic experiences you had as a teenager in the Army. And I remember you telling me the stories. I was gobsmacked. I was very moved by what you went through and how you identified with your perpetrators and no one ever supported you. I think it's just a different concept. Still, in my book, I'm actually referring

where I meet a man in Hollywood, referring to somehow, memory's back to an army. It's identical. It's like I'm like an innocent girl when I was fortunate to Tibet as a People's Liberation Army as a soldier for three years.

As a violin today, walking from a communist country to Hollywood, it's kind of the same thing. And I'm facing with things that I don't know. I never heard of it. And I don't know how to deal with it. And it just like is shocking, like all this mind-blowing of experience. I don't know how Dr. Drew came in my life. Sort of like correcting. I remember the elements when you sit there. I still remember when I'm talking to me. somehow just like, I'm just bubbling. I keep saying I'm landing from moving, bubbling, moving around. You say, violin, it's just sit still.

So that energy somehow. I do remember that. I do remember that. You did. You listened. You're very serious, but very grounded. I think part of me grounded, you kind of like evolved that side.

And Biden, you have to use that side. You told me not to show off. Don't drive nice cars, don't show off. If you want to party, do it, probably not in Hollywood. And I don't know. These paparazzi take pictures. If I didn't go down to, they're just trying to capture the thing when I'm turning, right? I didn't know.

I was innocent. But maybe I'm like in the arm which is always listen. Obey the leader tell me to shoot, I should, jump, I jump. And that's how I'm doing Hollywood. But somehow it's a different outcome and affect me. So it's like right now I'm just like that. I mean he

Kirk is 10. I feel like it's sad. I feel like a distant come from the room because Dr. Julie, even though we don't talk all the time, you sort of like my family in the U.S. like, it's like silently because that thing is certainly very solidly. So I keep her good

according to what you said to me many, many times of different things. We were welcome to check in any time. Tell me about my quarantine romance with toilet paper. That was the quarantine time. You know, I want to say something in life. That's a horrible time. Like your mask, you cannot go anywhere, no film, no work.

And at 12 o'clock, I still have a whole half day to go. I don't know what to do. You know, you don't know what to do. My friend, join me somewhere, get food. We sit down the ocean. We eat. And finally, I made this little just, oh, my God, I was in Kazakhstan, traveling. And at that time, it was strong.

I was saying if you are a citizen, you don't return to the U.S. by Friday, you cannot return for, I don't know how long. And the Kosovo Stans, if I don't leave in two days, I cannot leave the country for three months. So I had to go, like right now, I left to the duty, just one ticket to Dubai and to Moscow. So I waited for six hours. Finally, travel back to U.S., you know what happened? When the door opened, one man, one woman, just said, ma'am, come with me. I said, why mean? Just shut up.

Literally take me. Maybe I'm Asian because of COVID, right? They took me there. I said, I have a luggage. We'll wait. After one hour of luggage waiting, my luggage is still in Moscow. So I went back to the office. I said, I want to say, no sit.

So they said, why are you going to process? So why short trip, why this is so, I was so scared. I gave all the information to them. After two hours, literally, how do you say investigation? They said, after I said, by the way, we're a big fan of it. How am I going to take that? Oh, geez. I'm a big fan.

Oh, my God. I was like, should I laugh or should I hate you? Should I, it's torture after that. It's torture, yeah. No toilet paper, no nothing, no food. When I left, I had a month. When I go back, first thing I said, toilet paper, I have a half roll. I've been taking shower, you suck.

You know, my friend, so funny in the Earth, Earth Parking, Beverly Hills. And I said, my friend, I have to go online to ask the toilet paper. My friend said, hey, it's violent. Can we meet you? I said, sure, if you have toilet paper. So basically, right there. Yeah, I said, the mafia. I said, do you have toilet paper?

You see how many rolls? They gave me toilet. I picked Salfi and six feet apart. One guy made me drive two hours together, one row of toilet paper. I just go everywhere. Finally, I made the paper. I said, wow, this is a big of it. So I made a comedy, my quantity romance with toilet paper.

So people come to visit me. I'm locked in. But I said, you don't have to have money. Just give me toilet people. So they bring toilet paper. It's so funny. So tell me about the book you're writing. What about the book?

The book is... Outrageous romance in Hollywood. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't ask... I don't know. I'm just praising my... Because I'm single, right? I had an idea.

I gave so many famous guys. Rock stars, movie star, you all know. But I just had an idea. I think a manifest I ask the universe, what should I do? For I don't have an idea. I write a book. And before I was used the initial. Now I'm used...

real name. So my romance with all of them. It's real. It's not just about gossip. It's kind of fade. Some things are, I cannot make it happen. Just like, I don't know. I think maybe this experience is for me to write the book. It's going to be

bombshell. I'll be shocking. I can't wait. And then how about the Biling Hollywood shop? Who should be? Susan was louding the virtues of that shop. I don't know why I did wearing that maybe I was struggling so I normally I wear my

Hollywood shop because I love design it's easy for me it's like all from the pro from oh my god design for man a woman unisex shoes jacket is really comfortable well check it out by the in the shop it's my creation different kinds of stuff before the before we we started chatting you said something I found really interesting and it dovetails into something I saw Elon Musk saying today, which you said that they're all these super fans of President Trump in China. And Musk said, you know, China's not one thing anymore than America is one thing. There's a lot of different kinds of people there, and a lot of them are fans of America.

Tell me about that. Well, Trump would call him Trump. They were kind of like him because he's outrageous. and we somehow Chinese, because we don't understand American politicians, they're very polished in a very proper talking or somehow it's very likeful

about Trump's like just talking shit for all of that, but somehow Chinese people like that the thing is very honest and sort of like a powerful, honest who cannot be bought and the Chinese really like him. Somehow I think people

can read him more than the politicians probably that's the reason. My husband, he'd go mad and he didn't win. He throws pops away. I think a lot of people in China are speaking talking all the time, actually, in China's social media. The other thing that Musk said, because he does a lot of business in China. He said, you know, China has been through so many horrible civil wars that most of Chinese preoccupation is internal.

They're not so focused outside. and that, you know, we have a certain amount of anxiety about China, but they're not really thinking all the time about us so much as inside China. Is that fit for you? I think now because China's so like our culture is kind of repress, and you cannot really express, you got to be careful what you're talking about, what you say. Even me, I'm like, I have to be careful what I say.

I think the Trump character somehow on the other side, we are trying to move through him to have a humor of how people can open, how do you say boldly saying what you think. I know it's another energy that they want to feel that energy that be free. I think maybe that's one of the reasons, the boldness of freedom that we are looking for. And somehow ironically, through his character, will feel that freedom. just being who he is. That's really interesting.

It's very interesting. Because we wouldn't have. Yeah, we don't think about Chinese as being freedom seeking. Though I have heard that the government does worry about that. If that really gets going, they got a problem. Yeah, like even of course, I'm not just like I'm afraid of, Now I'm very, even though I don't live in China, but I'm still very aware of what should I say. What should I do?

Especially Chinese social media. But luckily, I've been like in my way chat. My friend talked to me all the time. He found out he's not talking to me. I said, why are you not talking to me? He said, I've been warned. I said, oh my God, because he doesn't want to lose his job. But lucky, my way, I have millions of followers, and they never banned me.

but they just delete some stuff they don't like. For that, I'm like, you know, truly in my heart I really love China, the culture. Whoever made me like the instrument I play violin, even I write book, write songs, is because they're culture. And I really, really love China, but because of the right corner of the movie, and somehow got me into trouble that being, I have nothing to do with the government. It's too complicated for me for the politics. I can compliment, but somehow I'm used as a true.

I don't know for whatever reason on the universe to play that lawyer, that power to break the judicial system of Chinese judicial system. That's what we're talking about. And also when at that time, different presidents was visited U.S. and they showed the movie. So I think that somehow become the, also I was on Lyra King show. And you know, it's funny. When Clinton first time visited China,

TM Square, Larry King called me, said, Bying, we want you to be on the show talking about Chinese human rights. I rejected it because I can't, because I have family there, or Richard Gere, keep asking me to Washington talk about. I really, for me, because I'm in a different position,

have family there, and also Tibet, I lived there for three years. When we talk about Tibet, I told us that, is not black. a lot of gray areas. Which, this is true. I never knew Tibet was not part of China, only when I come to Europe. It was.

Interesting. Tibet was only part of China. I was there. They asked us army to be nice to Tibetan. We have Tibetan in our army as our soldier. So Tibet is not part of China. I don't know where that comes from from Western world. I didn't know that.

So I was talking about the honest in the show. Do you have any films coming up? We should keep an eye out for. Yes, I have a film called Crew Love. My part is the badass fantastic, so powerful crew love, which you can watch online now. I have so many movies out there coming out. But I'm most proud of my, you know, it's like in the U.S. all about PR.

I said, how can I make my, I have six distribution, on my quarantine romance is the toilet paper, but I think, no, no, no, you need to make it massive because it's my, my baby, right, my director. I composed, I wrote 11 songs, I played Charlie Chopping, I cast and makeup, I financed, I did everything. I said, I'll wait after the book come out, going viral, so that's a moment to show the movie. So that's why I'm holding the movie. Okay, so. So here's whatever needs to do.

They need to look, go watch the quarantine with romance with toilet paper. They need to keep it out for the book, which is outrageous and going to, you know, you've got to come back when that comes out because I feel like going to raise some eyebrows. All right, good. Follow bilingual. I am bilingual on Instagram, real byling on Twitter, official byling on Facebook, real biling on TikTok, and I think I got everything. Look for her songs.

Rehab is the latest one. And listen, it is, and you can contact us any time by. If you need us, we're here to support you. And I do appreciate you swinging by today. Can I say something really quick? Yeah, go ahead.

Wiling needs to teach millennials how to work hard. She's, every time I talk to her, she's in a different country. We need to do a workshop for millennials, like how to stay afloat in time. Like, oh, my God. Gosh.

I think she learned that in the Army when she was 15. I can give you one cookie because in my Instagram I always give cookie. This cookies for me, I want to share with all of you. The cookies, when I'm thinking, I'm an idiot. When I'm not thinking, I'm a genius. That's me. Which is sort of an old acting axiom, right? Let it happen.

That's great. I mean, people that can do that. I think our mind is the enemy of our magic. Yep. Bye, great to see you. Thank you for stopping by. I've been feeling your spirit, even though I don't see you,

whatever you taught me were in the rehab, still working. He's great. It makes me very happy. If you need a recharge, let us know. You've got Susan's number, and we hope. We're here for you.

We hope to applaud your continued success. Thanks bye. Thank you. Thank you. Sandy love. Safe trip. Travel safe. All right.

We're going to switch gears, talk little Lindsay Clancy. We're going to do it clinically at first with Dr. Daniel Aymann talk about depression and psychosis and different of these syndromes and, you know, why is something a syndrome? One thing is a diagnosis. These are different categories. We're going to get into all of it. Dr. Aymann. Let me give you some of the particulars about Dr. Aymond before.

he gets here so I don't have to scroll through all his particulars. It is at Doc Aymann. Seems like all the social media is there. And I think it's, what's that, Susan? You're talking to me. You know what? I've got Dr. Aman's stuff on a different slide. I will put it together when we return.

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Go to Dr.D.com slash Paleo Valley for 15. percent off your first order and 20 percent off when you subscribe. Dr. Dan Eamon is a psychiatrist. We are old friends and he has been spearheading trying to make imaging a part of psychiatry on a routine basis so we can actually have some objective parameters for these mysterious illnesses we call psychiatric diseases. Dr. Eamon, thank you for being here. Hi, Dr. Drew. So great to see you again. It is really good to see you. Tell people about the aim and clinics and who should go and why they should go and how they can get access. So I have 11 clinics around the country. And, you know, I always say if you never look at your brain, you actually never really know what's going on.

We do comprehensive evaluations. We do treatment. We see little kids and old people. And if you have been struggling, with your mind and doctors have been trying this or that and it's not working it's probably time to look at your brain we have a lot of people who come see us who they have a parent that has Alzheimer's and they don't want to get it they're struggling in their marriage they're struggling at work and they know they can be better and we've been doing it 37 years now, sort of crazy. And yeah, I just love looking at brains and making them better. One of the things that is sort of circulating.

I mean, this is the year. Drew, that, you know, I've been fighting with my colleagues for 35 years. And I did an event at the White House and HHS on the mental health crisis in America. And Dr. Markita Wills was there. She's the CEO and medical director of the American Psychiatric Association. And I asked her to help me with the decade of brain health, which we're working on. And she loved the concept. I said, you and I need to talk because I've sort of been at war with the APA for a long time.

And we talked. And she goes, oh, I know the problem. she said you were just early and this year the american psychiatric association came out with a paper in may that said biomarkers are essential um and they're going to start including them including imaging in the next version of the dsm the diagnostic and statistical manual they're actually going to change the name the name to the diagnostic and scientific and scientific and scientific manual of mental disorders. And I tried to get them to change the name of mental disorders. Nobody wants that to brain and mental health issues.

So we have submitted 23 biomarkers and biological factors that we see on imaging. And, you know, it's going to change. It's, it's either going to be a couple of of years or still a couple of decades, but psychiatry is going to become what I dream it should become, which is brain-based using imaging along with brain healthy habits. You know, there are so many interesting interventions, early interventions for Alzheimer's these days. Are you using those, all the monoclonal antibodies and, you know, things that are attacking the plaques and whatnot? Are you using those sorts of treatments? No, what we're really using is getting rid of the 11 major risk factors for Alzheimer's disease.

50% of Alzheimer's disease is preventable. And did you know, I'm doing a farmer initiative that I love, that farmers have an increased risk of Parkinson's. That makes sense with the pesticides. but increased risk of Alzheimer's disease, and increased risk of suicide, which I didn't know. And it's like, well, why?

And I did a study on our database. We now have almost 300,000 scans, and we have several hundred farmers, and they have really low blood flow globally. And that may be the pest, pesticide exposure. Oh my gosh. It's terrible.

I think JAMA online, they have a pre-publication that comes out, and they were talking about getting rid of these risk factors. But they're including things like hypertension and sedentary lifestyle and controlling your blood sugar and watching your central obesity, all these other things that we all know are so, so, so important. So we have an acronym we like a lot called Bright Minds. You want to keep your brain healthy or rescue it.

You have to prevent or treat the 11 major risk factors. So B is for blood flow. So anything that lowers blood flow damages your brain because your brain, 2% of your body's weight uses 20% of the blood flow in your body. So if you have hypertension, if you have a rectal dysfunction, if you have a heart, arrhythmia, heart attack, all of those increase the risk. And so exercising every day is an Alzheimer's prevention strategy. So I wonder if we could switch gears, talk a little bit about Lindsay Clancy.

This is something that has gotten the capture the attention of everyone in many different ways. I'm curious on what you have taken away from that. For me, amongst other things, it's an indictment of our mental health system. I really, to me, that killed me the way she was cared for. But I'm curious what you're a sort of initial rush with that story has been. Well, she had the standard of care at some of the world's best places. Of course, no one looked at her brain. Of course, there was no neuroscience testimony.

I did a study because of that case on all of our postpartum depression, psychosis, anxiety, patients. And what we discovered is it wasn't one thing that, and I sent you a slide that we could put up, but there's a certain percentage of postpartum, depression where they have too much activity in the front part of their brain, and they can't stop thinking about bad things. That wasn't her. I think she had the one that's five over, the green hypofrontal, because all of the 13 medications they put her on calm down the brain, the essence of the eyes, the benzos, the sleeping medications, all of those settled the brain down. But they all made her worse because likely she had low activity to start. and if you don't look, you don't know.

And that's the sad thing. And the defense attorney really did put psychiatry on trial. And psychiatry lost. You know, this person came to us for help. Help me, please. I am not okay. And we made her worse. Yeah.

The making worse part, yeah, the making worse part, Yeah, the making worst part caught my attention because at first I thought, oh, they probably flipped her into a mania, but no, they had her on a mood stabilizer. She had pre-existing bipolar. But here's what got me.

No one, no one, there's a one, I think one of the nurse mentioned, hey, maybe they dropped. And that was never really properly investigated. And the, could you hear what I said there? I froze for a second, Caleb, but am I getting through with these little freezes? Okay.

Okay. Is that one of the practitioners said perhaps she had an acathesia. And that's where this was, this was so miserable that she was actually acathetic from the medication. And then they went so far as to say, well, she's noncompliant. She's not even taking the meds. And she's suicidal. Then she should have been hospitalized. That's what the hospitalization is for when people can't be managed in the outpatient setting.

So there was so many failures just one thing after another from my perspective. Yeah, no question about it. And the husband should have been involved probably more than he was. It's just heartbreaking. I don't buy the 18-minute psychosis thing. And I'm a huge fan of Dr. Resnick. He was actually one of my teachers a very long time ago. But I just don't buy it. I think she was depressed. I think she was suicidal. And like so many people we see lately when they're suicidal, they're going to take their children with them. And, you know, I'm just heartbroken. I wish somebody would have looked at her brain,

would have given her hope that, oh, this is what's wrong. We can make this better have hope. Let's talk about suicide and homicide for a second, because my first question is, is going to that point? Is that technically a psychotic depression? Number one. And then number two,

I've never really fully got my head around how close homicide and suicide sometimes is. My head can't do it. But maybe you can speak to both those things. They go together so often. And think of it. If a man had done this. So say a man is going through.

a divorce and he's like, no, I'm going to kill myself, but I'm killing the children and my ex-wife, too. That's actually very common in our society. And that's my sense. I haven't evaluated her, so I can't tell you with any degree of certainty. But the idea that you hear a voice once, it tells you to kill the children, and then you never hear it again. You know, I've been a psychiatrist, 44 years, never seen that once or anything close to that. Again, I just, it doesn't make any sense to me.

I mean, it's possible if she was, the right diagnosis wouldn't be bipolar disorder, it would be major depression with psychotic features. Right, exactly. That's kind of what I was thinking. And because I saw a number of postpartum psychoses working in the psych hospital all those decades, and they were wildly psychotic, like one totally out there and, you know, crawling on the floor and chewing the carpet and doing just crazy, crazy stuff.

It's not, you know, an auditory. That's what made me think about psychotic depression. Yes, no, I think that would be the right diagnosis, if in fact she was. psychotal. At all. And back to your, I'm looking at the scans here. I think, Caleb,

are the ones you've got on my sheet. The same diagnosis hides different brains. Is that for depressions generally? I have those. Okay. And is, or is that for psychotic depression? On that

is postpartum depression versus major depression. So this one is on 25,000 people, and this is on major depression. With psychotic depression, we see more low frontal lobe activity. But this is the one that's so interesting to me is postpartum depression is a bit different, that they do have a bit different pattern. But how do you know unless you look?

It's like giving everybody the same treatment for chest pain or for fever when you know what it is, but you don't know why it is. And if you don't know why, you're going to hurt people with giving everybody the same treatment. I can't imagine any. Well, again, you were early and I found myself since COVID completely preoccupied with Galileo. And you should, I don't know if you've read his story, what he actually was confronting and what his, what all the things he was contending with across 15 years. It'll sound very familiar to you. And it's really just the way science treats anybody that she can, that addresses or raises his or her hand. And it challenges conventional wisdom.

It's the same playbook every time. Thomas Cune wrote a book in 1962 called The Structure of Scientific Revolution. And one of my friends sent it to me when he saw I was getting pounded by my colleagues. And he goes, this is going to help you. And it's basically revolutions happen in six stages. So just quickly, normal science. So I finished my training in 1987. I practiced the way I was taught.

And stage two is you begin to notice a problem is I would diagnose someone with depression, put them on an SSRI when Prozac came out, and now all of a sudden they're suicidal. I'm like, no, I don't like this. Something's wrong. Stage three is the status quo notices something's wrong, but they protect the money and they make small incremental changes. So since 1980, there's been five versions of the DSM, 3, 3R, 4, 5, 5, TR. But it's the same document.

It's really not any. Stage 4, someone comes up with a better mouse trap. You should use brain imaging and brain healthy habits. I want to talk about the decade of brain health because I'm so excited about that. And stage five is the rejection. I've had people, I went on 2020, they said, Brad Peterson from Columbia says you should be arrested for your work. I'm like, whoa. You know, I've been called a charlatan, a snake oil salesman, every bad thing you can imagine.

And that hurt. And now, and then stage six is the acceptance. And I think we're like 5.5. were close. Yeah. You know, working with the government on creating the decade of brain health.

And the head of the APA, those you were just early. So it's been a wonderful year, but there's so much to do because there's so many people like Lindsay who want hell, who hate how they feel, but they go to the prescriber.

I hate, psychiatry has become like that. When you and I were training, psychiatrists were not just the prescriber. They were the whole person doctor, like I used to do family therapy and I still do psychotherapy with my patients. I'm not the prescriber. I hate that. Yeah, I am with you. And I think that was all very much on display with this case. Caleb, you were asking a question about the social contagion. I'm not sure there has been. been a contagion in terms of women hurting their kids. I feel more that we're just hearing about it. It's getting on the front pages because of Lindsay. Dr. Raymond, maybe you disagree. Well, contagion's a real problem in this country, but I don't think we can look at one case and say,

oh, this woman idolizes somehow Lindsay Cleanssen. Right. And then finally, we have all these women coming to her defense and sort of overlooking the tragedies involved or sort of somehow they're not really justifying it they're just identifying with it but it comes it coming across is justifying it how do you interpret all that that i think many women feel like their concerns are dismissed and this is given them a voice but you know i sort of have a balanced approach i think she had terrible care, but we can still not say it's okay to murder your children, that someone has to stick to children. Exactly, right. Well, listen, tell us about the decade of the brain and then I'll let you go, or the brain health decade. Decade of the brain was the 1990s, believe it or not,

it's 30 years ago. But now we are going to get into the brain health. What is going to be in that decade? So I'm so excited about this. People at HHS and, you're, USDA and AmeriCorps are all on board. The most important, the most valuable asset America has is the collective brain health of its people. And we're in a war for the health of our brain from the food. We consume to social media, to digital addictions, to online gambling now, pornography, the negative news, the political polarization, all of these things are terrible for brain health. The decade of brain health, so each area of government, if I get my way, is going to go,

well, what can you do to contribute to the decade of brain health? So AmeriCorps, creating a brain core where we teach brain health education everywhere, senior centers, high schools, colleges, And we want to get rid of the term mental illness. Stop calling people mental. It shames them. It's stigmatizing them. And it's wrong. They're brain health issues.

The end of mental illness will begin with a revolution in brain health. So the decade of brain health is all about teaching people, brain healthy habits, government schools, businesses. super excited. We had 100 pilots. We've done where we launched a program called the AMAN Hole 4 and hope and positivity went up eight times compared to the control group. And we're really excited. It's a nationwide Alzheimer's Prevention Program while at the same time going after diabetes, obesity, and depression. And if there's anything we can do to support it, please let me know.

I wish you the best with that. I look forward to seeing how things change as a result. Brains get sick just like every other organ system. It just does. And you're not stuck with the brain you have. You can make it better. Fun story, Tarek El Mousa is an HGTV star. He flips houses.

So the flipping El Moussa is wildly popular. I scanned him. His brain was terrible, like one of his moldy cockroach-infested hoarder houses that you see early in his season. And a year later, it dramatically better. So we called it extreme makeover, brain addition. Oh, wow. And that's the exciting thing is your brain can be better if you treat it better.

Drayman, thank you so much, Doc Aymann on social media. and hopefully we'll talk soon. Looking forward to it. I have a new book coming out in February called The Neuroscience of the Lord's Prayer. I'd love to talk about it sometime. Ooh, fantastic, because the spiritual component

of brain health is going to be a really interesting piece of the journey, I bet. Well, the whole four is brain, body, mind, relationship, and spirit. And when I taught that part, I just talked about the neuroscience of prayer and meditation.

And one night I'm at home and I'm like, I know what the neuroscience of the Lord's Prayer is. I wrote it out, talked about it on a podcast, got 11 million views. And Simon & Schuster is going to publish the book in February. Fantastic. Congratulations. Talk soon. Thank you.

Daniel Amon, Psychiatry, Imaging Specialist. He has a lot of books. Yeah, he's written a lot of books. lot of books. I posted all of them on X, if anybody wants to go and look. They are raising mentally strong kids. Your brain is always listening. Memory rescue. The end of mental illness says that one. Change your brain every day. Healing ADD. Susan, you're happier. You're happier. Change your brain. Change your life. And we're going to take a quick break and back with Christina Bob to dig into the legal weeds of the Lindsay Clancy case. Dr. Drew here. Faddy 15 was discovered working with the Navy's

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She joined President Trump after the 2020 election. The legal term there, the legal team, focusing on election integrity for 2024. And she joined the Republican National Committee's election integrity section as senior counsel that ensured that elections went the way they were supposed to. But today we're going to talk a little Lindsay Clancy. Christina, good to see you again. Thanks for having me.

I'm thrilled to be here. Of course. So, all right, I think the, let me ask some basic questions to start with. Why wasn't the, oh, you, by the way, I think you've got your pardon since I last talked to you. You were still having to fight stuff back then, right? Yes, I did get a pardon. The pardon didn't actually play a part, but our case was eventually dismissed about 30 days ago. So my legal woes are behind me, which is great.

But yeah, so great news. And what was the case against you? I've forgotten. It seems so ridiculous. I know. I mean, it's been years. I got roped and don't ask me how. It's a feat of mental gymnastics, but I was living here in Washington, D.C., and they roped me into the Arizona Electors case, saying that I somehow played a role in it because I was reporting on it. I was a reporter. So it doesn't make a lot of sense, but it was the electors that signed the alternate slate of

electors in order to use in the event that the litigation was successful, that has precedent, it has legal precedent, and yet they decided to prosecute them for it. So the case got thrown out. I mean, you've been looking at all this lawfare. It's sort of extraordinary, isn't it? I mean, are we going to see another if the Republicans lose in the midterm or let's say they lose the elections in the presidential races? Are we going to see a return to all this stuff?

I think so. I'm bracing myself for it. And don't even wrong, I don't think that's the end-all be-all of everything. But I've been looking at DOJ going, you know, don't you know you guys are on deck? You guys are going to be the next targets of all of this if you don't get it straightened out and don't clean out the Department of Justice. And at the very least, just expose everything. If you don't want to file charges and, you know, to be fair, anything that they would need to bring in Washington, D.C. is kind of a non-starter. so it might be challenging for them to pick and choose the cases that they might want to bring.

Just release the information to the public so the public can see what actually happened. But we haven't really even seen that. So we've seen a little bit of it. So yeah, I mean, I share your concern. Wow. All right. Well, let's talk with Lindsey Clancy. I have some basic questions to start out with.

Why was the jury not sequestered in the first place? Well, I think that's a great question. I don't know. I do think it's possible that the court didn't expect this to be the spectacle that it became. There was another case happening about the same time in New York. That case wrapped up August 26th. That was the Desmond Fleming case. Got almost no press, had nobody, you know, cheering her on. It was a very similar situation. A mother who killed her two children admitted that she killed her two children. Her defense was postpartum depression. postpartum psychosis, almost exactly, you know, largely the same facts as Lindsay Clancy, and nobody's heard of that case. So I think this case is wild.

Yes, in hindsight, the jury should have been sequestered, but who knew that it was going to become what it did? What do you make of the way women responded to, some women responded to her? I think it's unfortunate. Your earlier guest was saying, oh, they sympathized with her and they felt like they related to her. And that might be true, but it doesn't excuse the fact that she murdered her three children. Right. I think we're in a weird, twisted world where men have largely been demonized and they've been told to sit down and shut up and, you know, you got to support women and whatever they think and feel. but I think in a situation like this,

it's often men that bring some of the more rational discussion to a situation like this that's so emotional, particularly for women. And so I think pushing that type of discussion down and saying you don't have a voice in this leads, I think it leads to really tragic consequences. Well, it's also leading to alienation between men and women. I just, as an observer,

hearing from a young man, like, what's in this for me? If I get married, it's 50% failure or six percent failure and they take half my stuff and take my kids and take my house and then they can kill my kids. So what are we doing here? Why do we do this? It's just, they're fleeing to other countries. And then you see the stories on social media of women complaining about, oh, my fiancee called off the wedding just because I supported Lindsay Clancy. And you see the text messages and the discussions, you know, some of it's probably real, some of it might not be real, but the discussion is the man saying, well, if you support Lindsay Clancy, I don't want you to be the mother of my children because I don't want you to kill my children, which I think is a fair concern. So, yeah, it's just put that male-female dynamic on a real, not-great spot. Yeah, and it's, I'm seeing it really start to have a fact, and I don't think people understand. Women particularly don't understand the position they put themselves in. So let's talk a little bit about the holdout juror and the behavior of the defense attorney,

who's also now looking for a Trump pardon, which I thought was bizarre. And it also seems, by the way, like a trap for Trump. He can't win either way if he even responds to it. But the way he put a target on the back of the one holdout juror who was doing his job was really, sort of reprehensible, was it not? I completely agree. I thought that was terrible, and it seemed, it was like intimidation, bullying. I think the defense obviously did a good job. I mean, they got a great result for their client. She wasn't found guilty. So I give him a little bit of credit for being a great defense attorney. I'm a big fan of defense, right? I've been a criminal defense attorney,

and I've been a criminal defendant. So I'm all for the defense. But you don't put people's lives in danger, You know, especially when the case is over, you get nothing for it other than media. This is his opportunity to capitalize on the media at the moment and get his name out there and, you know, make himself desirable as a defense attorney. But you don't put people's lives in danger. I thought that was bad. I had a really interesting experience where I hate jury do. I just hate it. It's just so disruptive.

And it's, and I was on this one, I get called all the time. time. And I was in this one. I got called finally into the box and we're sitting in the box and people are like, my business is going to be ruined. My, and no one is going to be able to my kids are like, sit down. And one woman did not speak a word of English. We'll get you a translator. Sit down. And so they wouldn't take any excuses for any hardship at all. And we were all sitting there. And finally the judge goes, I'm your friend. I want this to be a good experience for you. If you need to go to bathroom, you just raise your hand, you go to the bathroom. He goes, but I need to know one thing. I need to know for sure that if 11 of your peers feel one way and you're the one holdout,

I need to know that you will not be persuaded by those 11 and you will be able to stand by your beliefs. And I raised my hand, I was the only one, I raised my hand, I said, I'm not sure that I could do that. And he goes, what are you talking about? Of course you can. I said, not only am I not sure against 11, you, sir, are persuading me now. I'm one-on-one, you're persuading me that I'm wrong. How do you think I will stand up to 11? I was dismissed from that jury box. So I would suggest people consider that as a good strategy.

Strategy, that's what I was like that. But I met it. I meant it. I can't predict how I'm going to behave in a room with 12. You just wanted to go back to work. Oh, I wanted to go back to work. I want to get the hell out of there. But I couldn't predict.

I legitimately was like, I don't know. I am going to be facing 11 people who really have strong opinions, and I'm going to sit there and be Batman. I don't know. You would have been a fantastic juror. You would have been great, which is why I get so frustrated with so many of these juries, because as a, you know, if I can call you conservative or conservative leaning, you're honest. And you honestly evaluated yourself. It's the folks that are like, yes, I can do anything. I'm, you know, the liberals that are like, you know, I'll do whatever I want.

They're the ones that end up on the jury. I know better. You want to think yourself for those things. It's not necessarily the case. We know what this guy was, or it was a guy, was holding out for it? No. Did they ever give that information? They accused him of all kinds of biases.

What about that bias? He didn't apply the reasonable doubt properly. I think it's exactly that he, everybody else had no reason. He specifically applied the reasonable doubt. Did he not? Yeah. I believe that was the holdout was that he didn't think that she did. didn't know the wrongfulness. Like she was sane, basically. And yeah, he made a lot of people angry.

Well, that's one of the criticisms of the prosecution is that they did not lay out the really the legal issue at hand, which is that there's a gigantic distance between clinically insane and legally insane. And in the state of Massachusetts, that Commonwealth has this strange sort of twist where it's, I'm insane, you have to prove that I'm not or something. How does that work? Yeah, they flip the burden. So in most states, the burden is on the defense to prove that they're insane. And I'm using insane to make it short.

It's actually a legal term, like lacking criminal responsibility. And different states use different things. But for our purposes, insanity. So in most states and in the federal government, the defendant has to prove that they're insane and has to convince the jury. There are different standards that can be clear and convincing evidence or preponderance of the evidence that you're insane. In Massachusetts, Massachusetts actually puts the burden on the prosecution. Once the defense raises the insanity defense, then the burden is actually on the prosecution to prove that they're not insane.

So that's unique in the Massachusetts law. And, you know, I don't know how much that mattered in this case. Because, again, if you go back to the Demone Fleming case that was, that concluded just days before the Lindsay Clancy case, which was in New York. And New York has the other standard. New York requires the defendant to prove that they're insane. She was found not guilty. She got the verdict of Lindsay Clancy wanted, and she had the harder standard.

So, you know, maybe it mattered. We don't know the deliberations. Maybe that's what the holdout was about on the one juror. But, yeah, I mean, it's just a different standard. I think the bigger issue now is culturally. I mean, our culture is putting a lot of pressure on people. quite honestly, to lose their minds and think emotionally and not necessarily. It's not even not following the law. It's just changing the application of the law because we want to change our cultural standards.

Weird, right? Yeah. It's sort of unthinkable. Yeah. It's supposed to be normal that women, you know, you're supposed to sympathize with the abuser now. And it's not just Lindsay Clancy's case. We're seeing it in illegal immigrants that kill and rape women. we're supposed to sympathize with the illegal immigrant. They've turned everything on their head so that what's good is bad and what's bad is now good. And it's not sustainable, for sure,

not in any type of free society. What's weird about that to me is that in every case, the women suffer. They're the ones that actually suffer. Whether it's men and women's sports or women being violated by immigrants or women having to wear something over there, whatever it might be,

it's specifically they become the victim of these policies, right? Yeah, it's very bizarre. And I don't know how they can't see it. It's like they've gotten so wrapped around the axle that they're actually going back to like the 1800 standards where women needed men to approve everything because they were hysterical because, you know, they were hormonal or whatever. And, you know, I personally, I don't like that. You know, I'm a single woman.

I don't have a husband. I like taking care of myself. I like being able to conduct my life the way I want to conduct it. And I don't think these women realize the effect that they're having on themselves. Right. It's what Gads said calls suicidal empathy. But it's sort of more twisted than that. It's specifically not having a blind spot to see.

see the consequences of the of the thing you're defending, the thing you're railing has to be the sew. I think it's a deception. Quite honestly, I think they're deceived. And I think a lot of it comes from the education system. A lot of these women went to college and are relatively affluent. And I think they've been deceived. What some people are arguing now, it has to do with an evolutionary biological or evolutionary psychology component of agreeableness that women, because the main threat to their well-being in our origins as hunter-gatherer societies, was ostracism. And so agreeableness and compliance and becoming one with the group and adopting the group

identity and ideas was hugely beneficial from an evolutionary standpoint. Otherwise, you would get ostracize and you and or your. children would all die. Men could get ostracized and have a chance of survival or could form groups with other ostracized men or whatever, but women had almost no chance of survival once they, once they were ostracized. So this component of their personality. And people are starting to look now back at some of the more egregious movements of history

and finding that young women in particular were like they're looking at fascist movements, Nazi movements and things and communist movements, and they're finding young women really some of the most outspoken and most intense of the supporters once they're brought into it, once they're brought into the tent, then it's like it's on. We're part of this hole and that's that. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, that's fascinating. I could very much see that happen, being the catalyst for all this. But it is very bizarre. So tell me, let's switch gears for a quick second before I let you go. How do you feel about our voting system and its integrity going forward, particularly in the next upcoming election cycle? I don't think it's great. I mean, I think anybody that's looking at it objectively would have to say, yeah, yeah, there's some problems with it.

The fact that we're having to go to the Supreme Court to say, hey, you know, these mail-in ballots that don't pass muster that are being sent. to non-voters or sent to illegal voters, we have to be able to exclude them. And we, being, you know, the president, the administration is having a hard time getting illegal ballots excluded. I'm concerned about it. I think if Republicans wanted secure elections, we could have them. We would have had them. I think Republicans are very much to blame in this. I actually hold them almost wholly responsible. But here we are. I mean, they've had two years to fix this and they've chosen not to. And I think it's awful. What is that and what would they do? Well, passing a lot to tighten, yeah, I mean, to tighten security. I mean, what started as the

SAVE Act that then became the Save America Act, which would just kind of tighten some of the securities in our election, meaning, you know, getting rid of mail. ballots, making sure that only U.S. citizens are voting, having to show an ID to vote, you know, limiting the number of days to vote beforehand, kind of tightening all of that up. There was part of the original SAVE Act. It was all excluded once it became the Save America Act, but part of it was if you're an overseas voter, whether you're military or wherever, if you don't actually have a home of record in a state, meaning you don't actually live in Kansas, Oklahoma, California, wherever, you vote in Washington, D.C. because it's a federal district.

But a lot of these overseas voters that we can't confirm that their actual legitimate voters are coming from conservative states where they don't actually have an address. And so we need to exclude those. I mean, we can't, those people don't even live there. Why should they be allowed to vote who's in Congress or who's in Senate for a state they don't even live in? That was all excluded. And it was all done by Republicans. So I mean, I don't, I don't have an explanation for why they wouldn't agree to clean up our elections. All right. Well, I, after I watch what happened in the L.A. mayoral race, I just thought, I knew I knew I could, I knew I couldn't trust the California voting system or or even the California voter. It's China. Okay. I keep telling you that. It's so egregious.

China's behind this. Maybe. You heard from Bailing that the Chinese are kind of, No, no, no, not this body, the election behind the scenes thing. It just, they did it with Trump and they're going to do it again here. Is there, did you come upon evidence of Chinese tampering in your, in your investigations, Sina? Well, I was specifically investigating domestic issues. And so, you know, the president came out a few months ago and said China was involved. So I'll take him at his word on that.

As far as domestic issues, go, we got a lot of domestic issues, too. So, you know, is it a foreign interference? Is it a domestic interference? I don't know. It's probably all of it. But I don't think the cleanup is that hard in the sense that, I mean, why can't we just ensure that lawful citizens are the ones voting? I mean, let's just start there. And we're having a hard time agreeing on that.

Just you saying that, though, is sort of heartening in the sense that it's not that hard. It feels like an impossible fix, but the fact that it's not that hard. All right, we got to run here. Where should people find you? Where do you want people to go to see you next? Yeah, you can go to Christinabob.com or anywhere on social media at Christina underscore Bob. Good to see you again. Thank you so much for joining us.

Thank you. Bye. All right. Coming up, we are back. We're staying on a Tuesday, Thursday schedule right now. And we have getting more. And some Mondays. And some Mondays coming to.

Data Republican tomorrow, Jenica Pounds. I think it's her real name. Larry Elder in with her. Naomi Wolf, Shane Cashman back. Naomi Wolf is working on the mayoral race in New York and how there was some nefarious going on there. Shocking.

I wasn't, didn't they say that was Chinese related to? Who knows? I can't remember what she told us. We didn't talk about it with her. Big problems. Andrew Grohl coming in. Kendra Riley. Let's see.

I can't quite see. Lindy Lee. be interesting. Dr. Deborah So was on the schedule for a minute. Whatever happened to her sort of dropping out? I wonder. Try that maybe try that again. All right.

Listen, great job, everybody. I think we should have a place where our schedule is, maybe on Dr.Du.com or something. It changes a lot. That's why I don't want to necessarily do that. It changes.

It changes. It will be old over a weekend. Yeah, let me see what's going on on the ranch. At least our times, like when we're going to have. a show. Are

our Rumble rants kind of going at each other a little bit? Is that what I'm seeing? Oh, we're fine. They're good. Okay. Got a good time over there.

Okay, good. The restream, thank you guys. Somebody came on temporarily and said they had corn in their poop, but they didn't stick with it. That was the only troll.

Go after that lovely topic. I thought by was great. She was great. I'm so proud of her. I'm so glad she's doing well. Yeah, me too. And that she was able to pull over at the Kazakhstan airport.

If we had more time, apparently Kazakhstan is like this beautiful country. I mean, she does so much and she's still sober and she's just, she's still alive. Every time I talk to her, she's in some random country on the other side of the world. Writing a book about toilet paper. I love how she went out on the street to get toilet paper. Like, I'll take a picture if you can't be toilet paper. Well, then she turned toilet paper into a current. That's the brilliance of violence.

See, that's a survival. That's an addict at work. They know how to survive. Toil the paper is now a currency. All right. I guess Caleb, I'm going to come by the Maha thing tomorrow around 1 o'clock. Maybe bring it a little Lindsay. What?

Yeah, they've been asked to do that. We have some time. And then we'll see you all again on the 1 o'clock Pacific time, 4 o'clock Eastern. Drew's dipping his toe in. Oh, they asked me to come, so see what I can do. Oh, they did. Nice. Was that you're doing, Caleb?

No. I'd love to take credit. No, it was their team. They're bringing Drew back on. You want to report anything about the beauty contest? I wish I had the photo. My wife, she went back. How is your beauty contest this weekend?

She did amazing work. It was all the people who had previously won the show. and wait. So all I have is a photo from last time. This is me with my beautiful wife when she won first place and she is still the raining Miss Firecracker from the Florida Bama. Is she going to do it again next year? I like the American flag. So did second place, she won second place, right? Oh yeah. One second place. Yeah. Did she get anything? She didn't get

five grand, but did she get anything? Yeah, she got a little bit of cash. It was great. Yeah, we're going to be taking the kids. We're probably going to save it to take the Disney win soon. Cool. Well done. All right, everybody, we'll see you on Thursday

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