Ask Dr. Drew - Lionel LIVE: Discussing Biden, Brand & Biomedical Martial Law – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 270

Episode Date: October 2, 2023

Lionel is back! And he has a LOT to say… Lionel is a talk radio veteran, trial lawyer, former prosecutor, author, pioneer podcaster, and multi-platform legal and media analyst. Lionel has hosted shows for Court TV, WABC, Air America, and RT. He has his own subscription video channel, free from draconian limitations as to expression. Find more at https://LionelMedia.com and @LionelNation on YouTube. 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • PRIMAL LIFE - Dr. Drew recommends Primal Life's 100% natural dental products to improve your mouth. Get a sparkling smile by using natural teeth whitener without harsh chemicals. For a limited time, get 60% off at https://drdrew.com/primal • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew • BIRCH GOLD - Don’t let your savings lose value. You can own physical gold and silver in a tax-sheltered retirement account, and Birch Gold will help you do it. Claim your free, no obligation info kit from Birch Gold at https://birchgold.com/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), Dr. Drew After Dark (YMH), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lionel Media, L-I-O-N-E-L. He's a radio veteran, a trial lawyer, a former prosecutor, author. He is a renaissance man of sorts. He has his subscription video channel. Again, that is the lionelmedia.com and Lionel Nation on YouTube. So Lionel joins me, and maybe we'll have a chance to even take a few calls right after this. Our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction,

fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want to help stop it, I can help.

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vaccines are associated with menstrual irregularities. Something I had to apologize to Naomi about. There we go. We also have Jay Bhattacharya in on the 5th. The following week at an early time, Rob Schneider comes and joins us as well so that's the lineup heading forward a lot of interesting people coming to join us including today's guest lionel here he is welcome lionel media lionel nation there he is welcome sir thank you thank you thank you and i'm

so glad that your marriage was saved by virtue of a toothbrush. A toothbrush. Let me tell you. You don't listen. Tell us. Go ahead. No, no. I cannot say enough about how important it is for people to prevent, I don't know if it's gingival health, but to floss. It's critical how it's associated with inflammation and heart disease. By the way, the thing I'm fascinated right now is I'm going to open up a chain of fecal

transplant. I think fecal transplant is the most exciting, fascinating thing. It's been linked to improvements in not only bipolar disorder, alcoholism, C. diff. See, you laugh because you laugh. Well, C. diff for sure. I didn't laugh. Susan's behind the camera laughing there, but C. diff for sure. And when people think of fecal transplant, they imagine that somebody's stool is being pushed

up the took eye. No, it's made into a capsule. No, it's made into a capsule. No, no, no, no, you want to have, you want to have, you want to have took a transplant. Okay. But, but your point about the toothbrush, absolutely gingival health and coronary disease being out-correlated, other inflammatory conditions. But the comedy here, Lionel, is we were on a cruise, and what was the question they asked me about what your wife says is your most annoying feature? We did like a newlywed game thing,

and I said, oh, she's going to say my toothbrush immediately. And she came out, and she goes, his toothbrush. And that was before we found this group. Nothing else is annoying about you. This has changed our life. Literally. Look, when you live with somebody for long periods of time, these little annoyances can become big annoyances if you're not careful.

Just like through the camera pans. Very smooth. By the way, a couple of things, which is also important regarding cruises. I would rather lick a belt sander or drink ink than go on a cruise. Hell to me would be on a cruise. And it's just, there's something about do whatever you want. Don't waterboard me. You don't have to do anything. Just threaten me with a cruise. I'll tell you where all the spies are. I'll get everything up. Just don't get me anywhere near those people. You don't know what you've been missing. You don't know what you've been missing. Oh, I do.

Oh, you don't like the, it's the other people on the cruise you don't like. I see. Oh, absolutely. I see. I get it. So listen, let's get right to it. Yes, please, please. I am preoccupied around issues of free speech. The old simple notion that I grew up with was the speech that I fight the most to protect is the speech I hate the most. Exactly. place now where if somebody has deemed you a bad or evil person because of some something uh you must be stopped you must be you know your enemies must be silenced is the new sort of um call call to arms and what i don't understand is let's start with just this simple question where do people think or how do they imagine it's going to work who's going to determine

who needs to be silenced yes you right now self-righteously not you but this anybody that would would adhere to this sort of notion would think self-righteously well me i'm going to decide of course but no eventually somebody else decides. Much like in the French Revolution, as I always point out, eventually everyone goes on the guillotine. That's a feature of this sort of excess. So go ahead. Well, first, let's start with this wonderful thing called this wonderful constitution that even if you read it, it doesn't tell you anything.

It doesn't tell you anything. You need years and years of saying, well, what do you mean by clear and present danger? And what about this? And what about yelling theater in a crowded fire and all that stuff? Let me get down to brass tacks. You know, Dr. Drew, we as Americans, and I love my country. Hate my government. Hate it. If I ran this country, Washington would be a ghost town.

You wouldn't see. There would be nobody there. And we'd be better off. But the country itself, we have these internal, almost reflexive, Pavlovian, obeisant kind of thoughts where we say, come on, that's not fair. That's un-American. It's not constitutional. And like judges Scalia used to always say, there was a Prego spaghetti commercial where they used to always say, what about basil? It's in there. What about the oregano? It's in there. People think the constitution, everything's in there. Virtually nothing's in there. We have to

compartmentalize our free speech. And there's that governmental draconian thing, which doesn't come up that much. But here's where we have an interesting thing, Dr. Drew. Historically, the first amendment only applied to the government. The government was the one that shut you up and threw you in jail and took away your license or did whatever. That was fine. That was direct and nobody questioned it. Then came this thing called social media, social media platforms, and they started off kind of quaint. Oh, look, there's Twitter. Isn't that nice? Oh, YouTube. Funny. Look, there's a cat video that's wonderful now it is the primary way that people in the world communicate it is the art the artery system it says

it was like this communicative angiogenesis it just it grew and it's how the world speaks and how people make money and we learn it's it's it's beyond the phone okay so then what happened was somebody said okay good do you like your social media russell brand dr drew do you like it tucker or who whoever your person is do you like that alex jones or pick the person you like or don't like. Do you like it? Good. Do you need this for your business? Good. Have a lot of followers? Good. Boom. Not anymore. Then the people who would say, wait a minute, how did you just do this? This is my livelihood, my commerce. Excuse me. This is a private entity. This isn't the government. The government didn't tell us to do this. We don't work for the government. We're not agents of the government.

This is private. There's no state action. There's no entanglement. Well, the Twitter files come along and guess what? There was. And now we have to do something which is different.

We, as a country, have to get off our duffs and we have to go and we have to declare, either by statute, by fiat, by legislation, by court order, or something. we have to go and we have to declare either by statute, by fiat, by legislation, by court order or something. We have to reclaim and reestablish these social media platforms as utilities, as the phone. Doctor, do you imagine if you were on the phone and you're talking to Naomi Campbell, I mean Naomi Campbell, Naomi, whoever, or Naomi Campbell, and you're talking

about COVID, you're talking about something, wolf, cry wolf indeed. And you're talking about COVID. You're talking about something. Wolf. Cry wolf, indeed. While you're talking to them, and all of a sudden, your phone goes dead. And Verizon or whoever says, excuse me, we don't like what you were talking about. That's unproven. This is misinformation. This is hate speech.

You say, you're the phone company. You can't tell me that. Well, that's what I submit social media are. Let me give you my latest one. As you mentioned so astutely, Dr. Drew, we have to, it's the First Amendment and the spirit of it is not to protect the Johnny Man Singers or Florence Henderson or something. It's vile, horrible things. Now, recently there's a story about Roger Waters. Roger Waters of Pink Floyd fame.

Pink Flamingo. Yes, indeed. What you do when you clean it up, wear a long coat, nobody will notice. So, in any event, is that what the kids call it today? But as I was saying, this is a guy who apparently says these terrible anti-Semitic things. Terrible, horrible things i would never say now here's the latest one dr drew let's say you say the most horrible things imagine against the alsatians i mean as vile as virulent but you said it not here maybe 14 years ago. Or maybe somebody accused you of making lewd noises while they changed the mannequin at Macy's.

14 years ago. What if a woman claims you said something untoward? 14 years ago. Okay, that's the criminal and civil statute. But now, social media platforms say, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. We just don't like you so your speech and your speech and your actions unproved uncharged no due process no a due process says notice in the opportunity to be heard meaning I have

to charge you with something and give you the opportunity to rebut it you're saying for all you know 14 years ago ago, wait a minute, what? That's right. You're done. You're finished. Now, in the case of, let's say, Roger Waters, whether you like him or not, it doesn't really matter. We have to take a new position called hashtag, so what? This is going to be tough for people. We say, okay, Roger Waters said this. So what? Roger Brand, Russell Brand was accused of such and such. So what? It doesn't matter. We don't condone it. We don't like it. Let him address it. Let people sue. But we don't cut his tongue out because he did something that has nothing to do with what we're talking about now. Speech, you can still speak when you're on death row.

And we are, and this is the worst part. I think we mentioned last time with Le Bon and, you know, these weird murmurations of people. People sit back and they just think, bless you. People look back and they just say, you you. People look back and they just say, you know what? If it's wrong, let me give you an example. COVID. Isn't it funny how all of these, not you, mind you, not you, but some of your colleagues all of a sudden now said, hey, is this coast clear? Yeah. Let's talk about it. You knew about this before. Oh, no, no, no. These studies are different.

Don't give me that. You knew about it. And I don't blame you for keeping your mouth shut. Have you ever heard about this guy on YouTube? His name is Dr. John Campbell. He's got about 2.8. This guy at first, when COVID, he was talking about, and it's the most awful thing with the virions that are coming into the

spike protein. It was like Bela Lugosi. Now all of a sudden, somebody said, everybody out of the pool, it's okay. Now he's talking about all of these things, which a lot of the crazy folks who hawk, you know, ivermectin and

who made the connection between myocarditis and blah, blah, blah. Now, all of a sudden, it's cool. So here's the thing I don't understand. When did they change the rules? Now, is there a place I can go, like a website that says, okay, you can now talk about this. You know, questioning school shootings are out uh still coke not that i want to but there are these lists of thing moon landing questions no

uh covid maybe masks definitely six months ago it was a different thing now here is the bottom line and we talked about this biomedical um tyranny that I'm worried about. There's a Supreme Court case, Jacobson against Massachusetts, 1905. And it dealt with this fellow who was fined because they said, you have to take a booster, either a smallpox vaccine or a booster. This is 1905. And he said, look, we had this in Holland or wherever the hell it was. And I don't want to do it again. I reacted so violently.

They said, sorry. And the Supreme Court said, yes, the state of Massachusetts can fine him $15 then, which is about $150 now, but $15. And that was it. That's all it said. Today, these zealots are using this Jacobson case as an example for not only can you force people to take vaccines, but they can lose their jobs, religious exemptions don't apply,

and you've got this pitchfork and torch crowd from once, ostensibly, these people were liberals, coming out of the woodwork who all of a sudden in this weird kind of scrum they're demanding this and if you said explain your virulence and i swear dr drew i think it's because they just love the action of this they couldn't care less about vaccines or covid it's this It's like, how dare you think you're going to- Well, let me, yeah. So let me stop you. There's a lot to unpack, obviously. I want to unpack a little bit about Jacobson, if we can here, because we were talking about it yesterday

as well. It's coming up a bit now. The excesses for which Jacobson is used. So what you were describing, this sort of delight in hurting other people, is called scapegoating. And scapegoating becomes a really serious mass action when there are lots of traumatized people and narcissists in the population. That's when they, rather than get aggressive towards each other,

they focus their aggression out there in the bad guys. And together, they gratify their aggression. I mean, they literally will kill people. I mean, that's what, again, the French Revolution was all about. So the scapegoating is alive and well, and that's a lot of what you were describing. And I want to get more into that. But before I do, I want to ask a question. The law has a way of interpreting and reinterpreting itself or previous judgments or previous cases. Jacobson said one thing, you can ask somebody to do something, you can hold them to it, and you can fine them if they don't do it. Is there anything in that case report or any subsequent reinterpretations of that case

that suggest in any way that it can be interpreted the way it has been interpreted lately, which is, as you said, it's okay to take people's livelihoods away, move them out of the country, discriminate. All these things are when used, all these things, these incredible excesses in terms of infringements of civil liberties, people point at the Jacobson case as the reason they can do that. How far from reality is that? I will tell you how far. There was a case in 1927, Buck against Bell. Oliver Wendell Holmes, one of the greats who said you can better do let a thousand guilty people go than one, than to imprison one English guilty innocent person.

Buck against Bell was the case that allowed the states to sterilize the mentally enfeebled. And it's good law today. But here's what it said oliver wendell home as opposed to oliver wendell douglas from green acres but oliver wendell home said well after all uh and i'll get the exact quote for you but something to the effect of having somebody mandate uh uh finding somebody for refusal to get a booster or a vaccination is far more problem than just snipping some fallopian tubes. They use that row against Wade in this notion of substantive due process. Oh, they took this. Look, let me explain. And you're spot on with this. For some reason,

we Americans think that we are the most, we're just, I mean, we're just beautiful. We had the Fugitive Slave Clause in the Constitution until the 13th Amendment came along. We had a provision that says, now, wait, wait, wait, before we talk about any kind of special rights, we got to have something in there that says that if your slave runs away, I got to give him back. Okay. This was primary on their concern. But they're also using this idea, and this really kills people or obsesses people. Let me ask you, Dr. Drew, do you think there is anything in the Constitution that guarantees a gay marriage or guarantees marriage or guarantees, I hate to use the word, they called it then, sodomy or something?

Is there anything that guarantees, is there anything that guarantees an abortion in the constitution? Not by virtue of interpretation. And the answer is they are still arguing this. I say no, but that doesn't mean that states can't do anything. There's a lot of, so your point is spot on. The thing is, is that when you want to look for something, remember Dred Scott case was absolutely correct under the law. Absolutely. And if the Supreme Court had decided in the case of Brown, maintain Plessy, he said separate

but equal, that would have been it. You know, we live under this illusion. But here is the thing, more importantly, you are a man of science. And if it wasn't for somebody who dared to question some, who was it, Semmelweis who washed his hands or Ignat Semmelweis who said, I think we should maybe wash our hands.

And yeah, what are you crazy? All right, somebody breaking away from this, whether it's Copernicus or Galileo or a string theorist, or science is always about taking something and saying, you know what? I think maybe we want to revisit this. Well, then they came up with, they said, oh, no, no, no, no. We're going to introduce a couple of new concepts. Misinformation, disinformation, data information. I don't know the differences between this.

Also, it's the science. Dr. Drew, trust the science. How much? Look at what you've done. I'm sorry. So the science is, if you watch the video of Harvey Reich before we went live here, he was saying the science is not the theories and the concept. The science is the examination,

the re-examination of hypothesis and theory with experimentation. And then analytic sort of evaluating the numbers that you get from the experimentation. And that's the science. The science is not the story that evolves as a result of the experimentation. That's sort of a description of reality based on findings in the science. Go ahead. What you've done, and somebody that I've always admired,

Nora Volkoff and others in terms of addiction, in the old days, and I don't blame people, in the days of witches where they would say, these people are weak and it's the devil. Imagine seeing your first case of Tourette's or something in the 14th century if they even had it. Well, your profession came along and said, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. We have this new interpretation. Let's look at PET scan and imaging. And you know what? There may be, believe it or not, an actual palpable somatic neurological reason to disabuse people of this particular sense of guilt.

And maybe, and they look to you and go, and I'm sure they told you, you're just some liberal. You're weak. That's what's wrong with this country. You and your pointy-headed scientists always trying to find some medical reason. And you're thinking, wait a minute. I'm not trying to do this. Let me give you another one. If ever you want to really get into trouble, look at what people like Thomas Sowell did who talked about population studies and what motivates certain ethnicities.

Try this one. I have been in there for 40 years as a lawyer, since I graduated, and I was a prosecutor. And whenever we would go to have some kind of a consortium or a conclave or something, they would say, what do you think are the reasons for crime? And why are some particular ethnicities and demographics more not prone to criminal activity,

but why are they in the system more? Why is this one particular group that makes up, let's say, 14% of the population, roughly 70% in state prisons? And we used to say, even then, stop. You don't want to hear the answer to this. Just don't go there. Don't go there. Just let it go. But it would behoove us to do as you say, Dr. Drew. Look at it from an empirical point of view. Look at the data. Have a hypothesis. And if you can repeat it, it becomes a theory.

And if it makes some sense, not this one. Because what you need, we are. Remember when we used to laugh at PC and political correct? That was the glory days. Those were wonderful days. Then came cancel culture. What we're looking at right now is something so different. We're looking at a world right now that is so, I think it was 980,

whatever, 981 days since the Biden administration. Now that's the only thing I can figure. From something happened there. Dr. Drew, if I would have told you when you were in medical school that one day learned members of your profession from the most prestigious schools would actually be arguing about whether a gender, whether a male can have a baby and whether it would be a good idea to have kids who cannot even decide their favorite color, who one day say, you know, mom, I think maybe I'm a girl. No problem. Off you go. Snip, snip, tuck, tuck.

An orchiectomy here. Did you ever think? talking about somebody from some leftist pink organization, from the highest levels, from the lauded halls of the greatest medical institutions, my question to you, sir, is this, what has happened to us? And I'm sure people have said this in one way or another throughout every epoch and every aspect of life and every period of time. But dear God, I've never seen, we see crime. Everything is exaggerated. Everything is turbocharged. Everything is gain of function and not COVID. I mean, the insanity that we are having, it seems like it is just, I don't know if it's a scapegoating or if this is just some scrum or something, but my God, I don't even know where is it going to end.

And here's what I'm going to say, and this is not to be political because you're very important about this. I cannot take four more years of whatever the hell this is. I don't know what you want to call it, but I will go for anarchy. I will go for anarcho-syndicalism. i don't know what you want to call it but i will go for anarchy i will go for uh anarcho-syndicalism i don't care loincloths and and and anything i can't take any more of this so to your i can't we've covered a lot of ground i agree okay but but the one thing to i we have to take a little break in a second here but i want to bring it back to the free speech conversation a little bit more. But I have another podcast I do with, I used to do it with Christina P, who's a comedian. And I would go-

Dr. Drew After Dark. Right. I would say to her, how much, it's going to change. She goes, you know what we need? We need a rational revolution. And I thought, oh, that is exactly what we need.

Do you have, Caleb, do you have a picture of our, our, our cups with the iconography on that? We, we use a little Soviet style sort of imagery to, to mark our rational revolution.

Do you have that Caleb? I'm going to, I'm going to try to find it. There's a coffee cup, but you can get it on the YMH website for sure. But maybe we get back, we'll show it to you guys. But when we get back, I want to bring it back to free speech. I was listening to a interview with Greg Lukianoff, who's an attorney. He's a civil rights attorney. And he was always very liberal and now he is concerned about the excesses and he he uh specifically was concerned not about the

specifications in the law around field free speech he was worried what happens when the culture of free speech is undermined and how the culture of free speech leads to laws against free speech. For instance, Alexis de Tocqueville, I point this out all the time, a Frenchman that came here in the 1820s to examine, it was a ruse, but he was supposed to be examining our so-called penitentiary system. And what he ended up doing was meeting all the great leaders of the day and touring the country. And he wrote a very famous book called Democracy in America. And in Democracy in America, one of the things he observed amongst many others, one of the things he observed, by the way,

was that he's never seen a country with so many lawyers, and that could destroy us, number one. But number two, he noticed that we have the greatest prescriptions in the law for free speech, one of the least actual abilities to practice free speech because of something he called the town square. He said in the town square, you're going to get destroyed. They're going to ostracize you. Something going to happen you have free speech you just can't use use it because of the town square so when we get back i want you to sort of address that specific issue and then i want to drift into a little bit of mccarthy era talk so we'll be back right after this with more lionel yeah i think everyone knows the next medical crisis could be just around the corner,

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We are here with Lionel, of course. And before the break, I was bringing up the issue of the culture of free speech as opposed to certainly into our law schools and certainly into the administrative structures of our legal institutions as well as our institutes of higher education generally and how that leads to very potentially very serious problems down the line do you agree oh absolutely um there used to be a time when when i was studying we always talked about what was allowed. What was allowed? Oh, there we go. Wait, wait.

So, Lionel, there's my Rational Evolution Cup. I wanted to show it to you. And I want you to notice, I'm in the middle there with Christina P. over me. And we've got the sort of, I guess that's the star of the mouse star. There it is. And what I love about this, amongst other things, is you'll notice my Lennon-esque pose. One of the famous, if I just had a little beard on, it would be a perfect rendition of one of the most famous pictures of Lennon. Who made that logo? It's somebody, one of the fans.

That's Christina Overme. It really was, it's seriously brilliant. I'm sure it's an art student or something. Should have bought one. It's funny. We don't have one? They're still for sale. Christine, yes.

Go ahead. When you said Christina P. over me, it reminds me of some undenism, some urolagnic reference to the P reference from the dossier. But I digress. A couple of things here. It's funny how we always have to go back and look at how sometimes the law got it right. In a similar vein your your points well taken the constitution means nothing if the citizens never have even this an allergy to the idea of free speech being curtailed so they would listen if nobody ever

says no that's okay that's okay you know the the Constitution is not self-regulating. It doesn't just correct things. Let me throw this one at you. I consider one of the biggest potential dangers to humanity is artificial general intelligence, not AI. That's AGI. And a couple of things. Let me explain this to you. One of the most interesting aspects

of First Amendment free speech is the idea of CSAM and my wife who is an expert in this, we talk about this, this is child sexual abuse material and she is with Lynn's Warriors and has dedicated her life and so we're always talking about

how this has transmogrified into levels of depravity that we could never even imagine before. But here's a twist, and follow me through this. Let's assume that I were to show you something and you were to drop it. Recoil in horror as they're depicted was the most unimaginable scene

with a child, an infant, whatever and and you are you are sick and I said whoa whoa whoa wait good news that's not real that's artificially intelligent AGI and whatever it's not real it isn't it isn't it's horrible now most people would say that doesn't matter the very fact that you have it she is enough to ban it now I who find the whole notion detestable say there's a bigger issue here if this is not what you say it is what's the difference between that and a sketch or a crude drawing or a thought this is a thought now granted it's reduced to something which is looks almost identical to an actual picture but it is a thought do you believe see

we don't in this kind of a town square idea I always hold the First Amendment and free speech that is supreme we hold our nose we say this must prevail this must mean that terrible things must be said remember uh perhaps during our generation uh the anarchist cookbook people said you can't have a book that tells you how to make bombs oh yes you can it was something called paladin press years ago so we live and and i think we're the same generation we remember how it was cool when Carlin's Dirty Joke and Lenny Bruce and even the PMRC with Tipper Gore. Our whole world, mine, has been one example of limitation of speech after another. And that's how we were raised and we were kind of like indoctrinated.

And we appreciate that. And we understand that sometimes the the more creative it is the more problematic okay let's cut to today and and before before you cut to today and let's also recall that most of the suppression was coming from the right myself howard stern people are on the radio talking about provocative topics. Remember when General Powell's son was the head of the FCC? And when he was, he started cracking down on the speech of people on the radio. It got ridiculous.

And that was the group. And then there was a bunch of people trying to change the music and lyrics. Sure, Zappa. That was the right. And even they never took the kind of egregious, dangerous, destructive techniques to get their way. They just raised a lot of hell. But people's lives are being destroyed now.

Thank you for saying this. I don't know about the medical profession, whether you have conservatives or liberals, because this left-right paradigm is ridiculous. I don't even know what it means, and I still don't know what it means. You're right. People in the old days were pretty much to the left, but it was sexual. It was, for the most part, it was words and sexual. Now, today, with all due respect to Howard Stern, who was certainly a pioneer,

and when I started in talk radio, it was around the time of Howard and Rush Limbaugh and others. They used to have these things called shock jocks. Do you know what shocks people today is the truth? What will get people today is you can say anything you want about anything sexual. That doesn't matter. What bothers people more than anything today

is for you to dare to contest or to reframe or restructure an accepted truth. And that could be an historical reference, assassination. Let me give you an example. This is the way I think. Alex Jones purportedly said that he did not believe that certain shootings took place. Okay. The issue is never, do I agree with this? The issue is not whether I, do I find this reprehensible? That's not the issue. The issue is very simply this. The issue is, in fact, in law school, we always had the IRAC rule. Issue, rule, analysis, conclusion. What's the issue? What's the rule? Analyze the two and conclude it. That's it. Linear critical thinking. What's the issue? The issue is, does he have the right to merely opine as to whether he believes an event did or didn't

take place? 9-11, JFK, but whatever it is. The answer, I think most people would say, yes, he does have the right and you could argue in his case it was different now let's let's take today's kids whatever that means the kids the kids will say but it's wrong okay to you no no they'd say they'd say it hurts people it hurts people well that's the next one people get's the next one. People get hurt. It's hateful. It's hurtful. It's wrong. And or they will say that they believe in this apodictic, Manichaean, absolute about trust to science.

And it's dangerous. So what they're saying is, but the only good speech is dangerous. What if somebody came along and said that this, I always was amazed by this. Somebody comes along and says i've got a glial glioma a brain tumor and i but and i found out that papaya enemas will cure you now you can say no wait a minute that's your opinion yeah but what if somebody were to forego medical treatment you know what i say that's the way it goes. Free speech is a bitch. It really is. It happens all the time. Look, Steve

McQueen, if you remember, did not take medical treatment. Steve Jobs. He went down to Mexico. Steve Jobs had a... Steve Jobs, terrible. He could have been cured easily with a surgery. Instead, he refused it. He's entitled

to refuse it no matter how dumb the decision and and again steve mcqueen went down to mexico and got coffee enemas but um i i want to grab a couple other ideas here um so when it comes to the the suppression of free speech right we we all of us have always looked at a few historical moments in horror the mccarthy era universally agreed upon as that was an excess and the things that were done i i sort of think maybe the alien and sedition act also was sort of in a similar would you agree palmer range so those two yeah so those two historical moments that pretty much everybody goes alien sedition act we went mad why did we do that we could never do that again. McCarthyism, we went mad. We can't

possibly do that. We must never do that again. In the McCarthy era, for accusations, 100 professors in institutions of higher education, 100 professors lost their job because of accusations. My understanding, a law was put in place to protect against that in spite of that law if you are accused of something today of not towing the uh what should we say the the current saying anything against the the current truths right you'll be fired in spite of that law and now we are at a position this is what greg lukianoff pointed out 200 professors have been lost their jobs in the present moment and that is accelerating so we can't and we seem unable to make the connection between what we are doing now and what we did during the mccarthy area but we're doing it even worse at a much higher clip and more people are being harmed what is going on okay a couple of

things too not to i hope i'm i don't incur your wrath but uh not everything the the mccarthy era was not exactly what you think it is a lot of people would say first of all there were a lot of folks who were indeed members of the communist party it was a different time then it was post and mccarthy would say i didn't say fire these people. All I wanted to know was I set the stage. What Hollywood did, Dalton Trumbo and others, that's their business. So, but you bring up a very good point.

It's never- But I said, just to defend myself, I said, it's the excesses of the McCarthy era. The excesses are what we all agree are not okay. You will never have to defend yourself in front of me, sir, as long as I live. I will defend you. I will take a bullet for you. I'll stand in front of you.

I'll even protect you when you're in your water pick. But here's the story. Nobody in society cared about this. There's not this part. Let me give you a terrible example. Marine Le Pen, who's always said, oh, she's a right wing. Anybody who's called anything radical, I want to hear them. Left or right, I want to hear them because I like these people already. Give me a radical anything versus that. They asked her one time, what do you think about burkinis? And she said, that's not French. Now, let me ask you this. What will do you think about burkinis? And she said, that's not French.

Now, let me ask you this. What will we say today about what is American? What would we say? Would you say, oh, no, that'll never fly. What? Because we're American. What does that mean today? It means nothing.

I live in a world, and I'm going to say to you, Dr. Drew, you can stop anything you want, but here's a knife, and I'm going to cut off a portion of your finger. You can go ahead and limit it, and I'm gonna cut off a portion of your finger you can go ahead and limit it but I'm gonna take out part of your finger you'd be very you'd be very careful you would not you know what you'd say I don't think I'm gonna be doing this I don't think I'm gonna be doing this that's what I say I want to live in a world where you can say anything you want now if you want to have warnings, that's fine. I have serious issues. Let me see if I can explain this to you. See if you can dig this because I have gotten nowhere in my professional career. I was here on September the 11th, that Tuesday morning, I was here. What I saw and what in many instances the news reported had nothing to do with each other. Now, what I

will say to you absolutely unequivocally, that there are some, some portions of the quote official narrative that in no way reflect reality. Now, period. Now, immediately, here's what happens. They will say, they will call me a what? What's the word, kids? What is the word? What am I word? Somebody who dares to question the official narrative something is called a conspiracy theorist yeah there's several words they use now to to immediately label you as a bad person that's the anti-vaxxer whether yeah but just all you have to do is say conservative if you say conservative you're a bad person and no longer need to be listened to so you don't need to listen to anymore just that's it that's a bad person but but this is but look now what happens is we make these words to be a fashion almost like a hiccup that like like the

verbal fry is like people who who say particular phrases that's amazing just it becomes a tick so whenever you ask somebody, whenever somebody says something, I always stop and say, do you know what a conspiracy is? It's, it's the, the law hates two things. The fact that you did it and the fact that you maybe arranged it. You talk to somebody about this conspiracy, conspire, conspirare, to breathe with someone. You're breathing together. You're in unison. The conspiracy is the act, is the confederation. That's the thing they hated.

Not what you did. Sometimes you could conspire and not even follow through with it, and they still hated that. Now, it's become a tip. Who's they? Oh, they, the royal they. The people who say, for example, well, you know, Dr. Drew, I noticed that he was questioning the efficacy of masks. Oh, that's another conspiracy theory.

And it's become tantamount or similar to a crazy tinfoil hat. And by the way, it's aluminum. We haven't used tin in years. But that's a self-censorship. You hear what's happening? That's a self-censorship. That's not's happening? That's a self-censorship. That's not the government. Now, there are people.

That's the culture. Let me tell you something. There are people in your profession. Let me tell you something. If you're a doctor, a family practitioner, or an internal medicine, you got a family, you got an overhead, you got people, and they're going to tell you,

listen, we don't want to hear you opine about the etiology and teleology of COVID so and you might say okay I'm listen everybody's telling me to do this so I don't give doctors a hard time but that was a conspiracy the conspiracy of silence the conspiracy of you saying wait a minute hold it now there's this other thing have you noticed that we don't ever talk about ever anybody saying anything like the old days where something was sexually inappropriate we're now talking about what will get you in trouble you can say anything you want you can drop f-bombs you can say anything

that isn't going to be the problem what's going to be the problem is if you dare question this particular narrative. And where it came, Dr. Drew, I have no idea. Now let's get this little proviso out of the way. We all say this. I don't care if you want to be a mollusk. Nobody cares about this. We all understand this. But here's the story. I'm here in New York. I've been here for 30 whatever years. My wife and I, we've been involved in entertainment. We know more, probably, probably, I want you to say more, more gay people than you've ever known. And it's in New York, in New York City, it's like saying right-handed, left-handed, no big deal. And we've seen. I do not know in no way in my life has the number of true transgenders ever comported or matched with that which I see at schools and people on TikTok.

Now, I'm not suggesting anything, and I'm not calling into question whatever. But here's what I want to do. May I, Dr. Drew, discuss this? May I, in addition to those people who want to affirm and state affirmatively their particular thoughts about this, may I question The answer is no. You will not do that because then you are, what is the class? A transphobe. You are a transphobe and a conspiracy theorist. And all of a sudden, I love the way the word, this is my favorite. Everybody's jumping now on Roger Waters, who's supposedly anti-Semitic, but you can say certain things about either israel and i don't want to go there please but that word is like you you use a statement see what have i not used oh here's one anti-semitic let me put that one on whether it applies or not whether it has anything to do with the judaism we love new words and if you've noticed that ticked and by the way I love social media social media

and tick tock in particular has done more and maybe you would know this better than I doctor I'm sure there's a word for it to either potentiate not mental illness but create new levels of identity confusion delusion or whatever it is by virtue of this not a drug but a but a platform that potentiates and accelerates and almost inspires new forms of of loud and raucous confusion and ostentatious declarations of trans i came up with the term cryptophobic not trans transphobic, but cryptophobic. Because I just made it up. Now, put this together, put what we've all discovered together, and you have an asylum. We live in a world, and Dr. Drew, I don't care whether you, and please, I don't want to use this

to say anything political. I don't care who it is I believe the next president most probably is going to be Gavin Newsom I'm going to tell you right now he is going to be the democratic nominee there's no doubt about that I promise you and I hope to God he does a good job but I am saying this again hello world I cannot take four more years and whoever's involved whoever's responsible for, doctor, do you know diseases that just kind of peter out or do diseases tend to get worse? Because this insanity, this collective psychosis that we are going through in this ceremonial scrum,

this choreographed lunacy, it's getting worse. And it's not left or right or Republican. It's like this performance psychosis. So there's an old psychiatrist named Mirlu Juist or Juist Mirlu. And he talked about these mass formations that come upon populations periodically. And apparently it is a normal part of history. And we are certainly in an era of such. Have you met Caitlyn Jenner?

Do you know her yet? No, I've not. I've not. I'm a big fan. It would be good for you to talk to her. Yeah. She suffered greatly with her gender issues. I mean, really, like, had a profound, lengthy suicidal depression.

And she can help people understand, get a deeper understanding of some of these things. And she says, much like you did, when you talk to her, she goes, I don't want you to think about this, anything that whether I'm left-handed and I'm this, and that's the same thing. It's just, it's nothing.

It's a nothing. It's my thing. You shouldn't even be thinking about it. I this, and that's the same thing. It's just, it's nothing. It's a nothing. It's my thing. You shouldn't even be thinking about it. I thought, okay, all right, fine. And we actually supported her run for governor. We had an interesting experience getting to know her a little bit. But let me get off there for a second. I'd like to take a call here if we could.

We have a few people raising their hands. Speaking of Gavin Newsom. Yeah, let's. He just said he wasn't going to run last night. Well, no, he didn't say it. He was asked it and he refused to answer. Absolutely. And Gretchen is going to be,

what he was asked was, what he was asked was, is under any, is there under any circumstances and the, the wildest of circumstances, would you yes or no, except the nomination? He was like,

I don't know what you're talking about. I refused to answer it. He's so slick. Um, you know, I, my ability to get people up to the podium here is kind of weird. It constantly – Tech 101. The wheel comes in.

Yeah, he can save your life, but he can't get a phone call. Not of tech. He'll get it. Yeah, go ahead. Let's go to Dr. Drew in drew in surgery now this scalpel thing here why have you didn't become a surgeon one of the many reasons is that uh caleb what was that i got it i was just making sure your phone wasn't plugged in caleb did you get my text susan's worried about something when it comes to our presentation this week.

By the way, may I suggest something? Can you have a show, a special show called the Dr. Drew Warm-Up Show? Because the best time I've ever had is when I get in early just to make sure and to see you go through the warm-up it is the greatest you this I I never heard somebody scream expletives um people coming in to hold you down that wasn't me threatening uh that was my wife uh that was my wife yes yeah that's how she gets stuff brush head something about head. Something about a brush head. He's still talking about that tooth thing. I don't know what this is. I want to say one other thing while it's on my mind real quick,

which is you were talking about, you know, essentially you were saying there's sort of no apologies for crushing people, for not towing the party line, as it were, the current narrative. And then you said something about ivermectin, and then Caleb flashed on the screen, right? Flash up what you put up there about ivermectin, because I want to discuss how things have changed. CDC states that ivermectin is not effective. That's no longer true, Caleb. The CDC is now on the record saying that ivermectin can be

prescribed for early covid and the mayo clinic is on the record saying that hydroxychloroquine can be used uh for early covid uh both are they're not suggesting that you do so they're saying that it can be used but if your doctor feels appropriate which has always been the case however youtube youtube still disagrees so we have to follow youtube's laws instead of the laws of the actual land yeah they still disagree but the point is the cdc doesn't say that anymore that's why that's what i'm wondering about the disclaimer but anyway what was that lionel no no i mean do do you and you have the right to remain silent and anything you say can and will be used against you okay do you think that this information do you think this information

that you just cited which i do not in any way uh subscribe to whatsoever but do you think that information is new or did they know this double uh this this sudden change of heart. Here's the part that was disturbing to me. I actually do not think that hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin are much of anything for COVID. I'm not impressed by the data. I've not seen it very useful, but these are inert, harmless medication. And hydroxychloroquine is so harmless that in the Internal Medicine Board reviews this year, in the rheumatology subsection, they suggested that our lupus patients on hydroxychloroquine, very common, first-line medication. People sit on it for years with mixed connective tissue disease and mild lupus. They suggested that these women stay on the hydroxychloroquine while pregnant.

That is a recommendation I have never heard for any medication, any. I cannot name a single medication where they say just simply leave it on. They say you can leave it on. There might be some risk. They said it's inert on the pregnancy which is why they're able to get away with that right and so we have i and and by the way in the cdc's website if you look under the under the immigration uh recommendations if you are a refugee from something like 50 different countries you must take five days of ivermectin before you come into this country.

Nobody has to evaluate you. There's no concern about the ivermectin. You just have to take it before you can come on in. And that's the CDC's recommendation. And now it's also their recommendation that it could be used in early COVID. My point is, they've known forever. These are safe and inert medicines. I still don't believe it does very much,

but if a doctor feels it does and would like to prescribe it for his or her patient i much like free speech that should be their privilege remember the joke punchline couldn't hurt remember that classic the uh there's a opera and the guy dies and his and somebody says give him an enema he goes sir he's dead he goes give him an enema i said do you understand, he's dead. He goes, give him an enema. I said, do you understand? He's dead. He says, couldn't hide. You know, well, that's the that's the theory. But going back to something which is... I didn't realize underneath that was an enema joke, but continue. Any way

I can work enemas into it, if you notice six or seven times, I've got a problem with it. Fecal impact? I'm sorry. It's weird. Well, you're talking about this woman peeing on you the whole time. You know, what am I, a chopped liver? But dare you. Let's go back to something. We have to ask ourselves this and I want everybody and maybe you can help me.

I want to have a boot camp for citizens. I want to say, ladies and gentlemen, chapter one or political parties mean nothing. They did it one time. Democratic Republicans and then we were kind of figuring out that the Federalists and the Whigs and I was going to. political parties mean nothing. They did it one time, Democratic, Republicans, and then we were kind of figuring out that the Federalists and the Whigs and all that kind of,

it doesn't mean anything. Two sides of the same coin. It doesn't mean anything. They are so corrupt, these people, and the higher up. Now, you know where politics works? Local.

School boards. You want to see something, go to a school board. Go to county commission. Talk about traffic lights. Also, DeTocqueville's note. Yeah. Pardon me? De Tocqueville also noted that when he, de Tocqueville again, I keep referring, when he was trying to figure

out why democracy in America was working so well, his number one conclusion was local people practice democracy locally. They practice it in their classroom. They practice it in their townships. They practice it in their counties. And that's what led to the success on a larger scale, the local practice of democracy. As you also know, being an emergency room physician, notice how I always work in the medical analogy. There's a lot going on there. You're looking at this person, you say, there's a lot going on here first of all we don't kill them but uh f scott fitzgerald said something to the effect of the the the mark of a great of a true of a great mind is somebody who can handle two seemingly inconsistent thoughts simultaneously and not lose their mind let me give you an example of one one of the biggest issues

that republicans are not going to be i'm just throwing this in there, they have no interest, is you must be able to come up with a cogent answer to explain climate change. And you might or might not laugh about it, but if that's what everybody's talking about, as a politician, I want to know something about this. Okay, so that's it. Let's talk about abortion. I explain this to people. I do not believe that it makes sense politically or rationally to ever ban abortion. You can't do it. It's ridiculous and you will lose every election. Plus, and here's the answer why. Very, very simply, without going into whether it's a human life, I don't want to put a woman in prison for an abortion. Because if you're going to ban it, that means you're going to put them in prison. If you're not going to put them in prison, it's not a ban. Save you for the

doctor and the nurse. So I don't want to live in a world where we're going to put them in prison. If you're not going to put them in prison, it's not a ban. Save you for the doctor and the nurse. So I don't want to live in a world where we're putting doctors and women in prison. Okay, fine. Now, that being said, do I think abortion is guaranteed by the Constitution? Absolutely not. Bear with me. Fifth Amendment says you cannot be denied of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. Meaning that you can deny somebody of life. You can kill them. You can throw them in prison forever, and you can take their stuff

so long as you give them due process. It doesn't grant anything. It doesn't say you have the right. The only thing it talks about, the right, is a procedural right. That's all it talks about it's a procedure in 1965 there was a case called the notion of this um of oh god the um contraceptive law and the griswold and there was a there was a supreme court justice uh william o. Douglas, who said that he thought it was ridiculous for there to be this law in Connecticut that would prohibit people from buying and possessing contraceptives, even married couples. And it was a Knights of Columbus Catholic thing,

and nobody really, nobody really, but anyway, it was brought up. Now, William O. Douglas, listen to what he did. Instead of saying, look, I'm sorry, there's nothing in the Constitution. If a state wants to ban contraceptives, that's up to them. You go to Hartford and you figure it out. He said, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You see, and he said this, that there are rights that emanate from the penumbra. And he talked about, you know, there's this globe and there's lights and the rights. And they said, what the hell are you talking about? And he came up with privacy. He made it up. There's no privacy anywhere. It's a good idea. I believe in privacy.

I believe in happiness and I believe in love, but it's not in the constitution. Okay. That became the law. 1973 comes along and Roe against Wade. What did they do? Roe is the worst decision you'll ever read. No law. 1973 comes along and Roe against Wade. What did they do? Roe is the worst decision you'll ever read. No law, none whatsoever. Harry Blackmun, appointed by Nixon, said, hey, what was that thing called? Oh yeah, privacy. And he resurrected with this thing called

substantive due process. He took due process, which is a procedure that says, you know what? Sometimes there are some rights that are so important, we just can't take them away. And he made it up. Now, let me go back. I believe in pro-choice. I believe that a woman, that no state, the state don't ever ban it, but don't go to the constitution. Conversely, I'm against the death penalty i'm against it and it doesn't really matter why but we're going to kill the wrong people in half but in the constitution it's very constitutional because it says life liberty and property so here's what i'm saying i'm against the death penalty but it's in the constitution and i would uphold it as a judge because it's constitutional even though i'm against it and i'm'm for abortion in practical purposes, but it's not in the constitution. So I would strike

it down. I've got news for you in the constitution. Nothing about the air force, nothing about marriage, nothing about voting, nothing about how many justices there are. It's filled with stuff that's not there. And what happens is sometimes courts, and this is where it gets scary, sometimes they legislate. You want a judge, sometimes it'd be a surgeon who says, I don't want to cut yet.

I don't want to, I know this is too risky. There's nothing there. People have got this crazy idea. You know, the Dobbs case, the memo, the memorandum that was stolen from Alito? We still don't know what it is. There's only a couple of clerks. They know.

They're just not interested. They look the other way. And what they're going to do is, and let me say something, whatever you want to think about the Democrats, they're good. They want to do one thing. They want to get rid of the filibuster. They want to pack the Supreme Court, and they want to make D.C. a state. And you know what? If they get their chance, they're going to do one thing. They want to get rid of the filibuster. They want to pack the Supreme Court, and they want to make D.C. a state.

And you know what? If they get their chance, they're going to do it. Because, by the way, I am a registered independent. I am a political atheist. Republicans, they don't do anything. They tweet. They go on Fox. They talk about Hunter Biden's laptop.

They do all kinds of stuff. But the Democrats, let me tell you something. They talk about Hunter Biden's laptop. They do all kinds of stuff. But the Democrats, let me tell you something. They steal elections fair and square. They will do it every time. They go out there en masse, and the Republicans sit back, and they go on Hannity's show, and they go, hey, this is great. We're Americans. You're worthless.

You don't do anything. So I want people to understand throw politics away ask yourself start off with every day dr drew ask yourself what do i feel about this independent of history or you know politics what do i feel about this is this something that i think is right or wrong work from there but don't say very cold water see what would what would what would um i don't know who yeah that's where they are i think that's a we are we are both here independent i know what caleb is we are independents and so uh we i'm a libertarian yeah we sort of uh apolitical he's a Republican who wants to smoke dope. Yeah, I don't want to smoke dope. I just like vodka. I had. But I think we've got to kind of roll to a stop right here. I think we've covered a lot of territory. I've tried to get back. I think we got most of the things out that I wanted to get to.

I'm sorry I didn't get to any calls. Josh, I tried to get you up like five times. There was something wrong technically going on here, but we'll be back on Tuesday. Maybe the ghost is back. Something weird is going on with the phone. But on Tuesday, who is, oh, of course. Thank you for being here. It's been a nice little romp. And Tuesday, Caleb again. There we go. Tuesday is Reggie Littleton. Oh, we won. Thank you for being here. It's been a nice little romp. And Tuesday, Caleb again.

There we go. Tuesday is Reggie Littleton. No, we won't be here. That's right. Kelly's going to do Tuesday. Little John. Little John. And then on Wednesday, October 4th, Kelly will be here, and so will I.

And I'm hearing rumors of Naomi Wolf. And then on Thursday, Jay Bhattacharya comes back. And then the following Tuesday, Rob Schneider. And then Wednesday, Peter McCullough. Excellent. He's on a warpath. Look at Rob Schneider's Twitter. Yeah, Rob Schneider is on a warpath against the New York Times.

Oh, no. He is a good guy. And I shared with him some of the, he and I were together as targets of the New York Times on a couple of occasions. And that was the last time he was on the show. We're going to try to get a comment from the New York Times. Really? You are? Mm-hmm.

Oh, they're going to say whatever. They're going to say fuck off. Yeah, good luck with that. So Lionel, any final thoughts? And keep them short before I sign off here. Question everything and then question it again. And on behalf of the Grateful Nation, Dr. Drew, thank you, not for what you do, but for what you appear to do. And I mean that sincerely.

Leave it at that. We love you. Hope we can see you. We go to New York a lot. Hope we'll have lunch or coffee or something there in the city. Please. That'd be really fun. Yeah. What part of town are you in, Indiana? Are you in the Upper West Side? Is that where you were? Upper East Side. Hell's Kitchen. Hell's Kitchen. That's close. Yeah, that's not far from us at all. We're at Hudson Yards. So we will look for you very soon, maybe in a week or two. All right. Thank you,

everybody. We'll see you. Oh, wait, wait. We have to talk about the Skank Fest that's coming up. Go ahead. I don't know if Lionel really wants to know about this. All right, let's let Lionel go. He doesn't have to hear about the Skank. The Legion of Skanks have invited us to Las vegas to be part of the skank fest yes i'll be doing saturday night at eight o'clock with a number of other comedians and well two for sure big jay oakerson and i sent the banner to to caleb put up so people would pay

attention andy lederman um and anna annie led're going to be doing a little After Dark stuff but you can get I think an all access pass to see the 134 different comedians artists that are there artists

is like $80 yeah it's a pretty good deal so it's a good deal so if anybody's over there and they've combined it with I think that same pass gets you to Ellis Mania also yeah

they've combined it with Ellis Mania's I'm going to sing the national anthem as I was and we're going to do a Dr. Drew After Dark live on Saturday. That'll be interesting.

And it says Adam and Drew, but something happened. So we're going to. Adam couldn't make it, so it's going to be just me and some of the other comedians there. And we're going to bring back some video. And we're going to touch your camera through the fence. Exactly. We're going to bring back some classic videos from After Dark. And so please come up and say hi. We're going to bring back your camera through the fence. Exactly. We're going to bring back some classic videos from After Dark. And so please come up and say hi.

We're going to have a live interaction. And Sunday I'll be around, too, on other people's podcast, I believe. Isn't that correct? Yeah, you're going to do other stuff. Drew will be floating around the venue Saturday and Sunday. But, yeah, it should be a lot of fun. And I tried to get Caleb to put up a little banner, but I guess.

Yeah. I tried to get it. Anyways. Yeah. It's not going to work. It has to be converted and all that. We have said enough. We have said enough.

I know. Well, I decided I, I did PR for it, but then I didn't know what was going to happen. So I just kind of, it was last minute, but I just want to say thank you skanks for having us.

And I've loved those guys for a long time. And we, I've done the legion of skanks a number of times i i've loved those guys for a long time and we i've done the legion of skanks a number of times and that's how i volunteered for skank there's got to be somebody in our in our audience from vegas who'll come out yeah so if i can sell one ticket that would be nice uh and uh and then that's we have some other things to do out there in las vegas so that's why we will not be here on Tuesday, but we'll see you next Wednesday at normal time. Correct. Caleb,

I'm not getting that wrong. Am I? It's three o'clock next week. Uh, we're not, yeah, we're going to be busy Monday and Tuesday. All right.

And Emily Barsh is on the lookout for the New York times to try to get a comment from them. So that will be interesting. Stay tuned for that and more. We'll see you next week. Um, thank you for being here. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky.

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