Ask Dr. Drew - LIVE From DC: RFK & Trump Team Meets Dr. Drew + Dr. Peter McCullough – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 470

Episode Date: March 28, 2025

Dr. Drew is LIVE in Washington, DC, interviewing members of the Trump admin team including Sec. Robert F. Kennedy Jr, Karoline Leavitt, May Mailman, Sec. Linda McMahon. He's joined by special guest Dr. Peter McCullough. Dr. Peter McCullough is an internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist, and the Chief Scientific Officer at The Wellness Company. As an expert on cardiovascular medicine with over 30 years of experience, Dr. McCullough has spoken widely about the heart-related risks of mRNA. He is the co-author of The Courage To Face COVID-19: Preventing Hospitalization and Death While Battling the Bio-Pharmaceutical Complex. Follow Dr. McCullough at https://x.com/P_McCulloughMD and learn more at https://PeterMcCulloughMD.com Dr. Stephanie Venn-Watson is a co-founder of Seraphina Therapeutics. She holds a Doctor of Veterinary Medicine from Tufts University, a Master of Public Health from Emory University, and completed a National Research Council Associateship with the Armed Forces Medical Intelligence Center. As a Technical Agent for DARPA and researcher with the U.S. Navy Marine Mammal Program, she discovered C15:0's role in preventing Cellular Fragility Syndrome. This led her to co-found Seraphina Therapeutics, developing the fatty15 supplement. Find more at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Join me for ask dr. Drew live streaming every week on rumble X YouTube twitch Facebook getter kick D live and worldwide dr. Drew TV Thanks much for joining us today we're at the rumble studios in Washington DC you see the backdrop behind me I think that's the Library of Congress or something over my left shoulder So in event we are here in Washington at the Rumble Studios. We appreciate them hosting us here. We had all morning and early afternoon at the executive offices at the White House talking to cabinet level officials and others.

We'll report to you on that. Susan organized and executed the whole thing. And she's here to give her observations. So there I am with RFK Jr. Who else you got there, Caleb? And there we are with Carolyn Levitt and finally with the Treasury Secretary. Very interesting people, interesting interviews.

Yep, and we will get to tell you about that. And then Peter McCullough joins us and then Stephanie Van Watson from FATI. She has a new book called Longevity. She's going to tell you about that. So this is a lot today. So do stay with us. I'm not going to be able to watch you guys on the rants.

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but we're gonna be speaking to Stephanie Van Watson in a few minutes about her book, Longevity, which is worth the read. And Susan plopped this down in front of me and said, talk about Rumble, how can we not talk about Rumble? We're so grateful, Dylan, thank you. Thank you to Rumble Studios for letting us take over today. We did, I did Viva Fry show a few minutes ago,

which was fun from this very seat. And today we join you on our show. As I said, Peter McCullen here in just a minute. Susan is with me, let's get that two shots so she can, there you are. And you will be on the Rumble Rants and you will be watching the Restream as well.

You able to watch that? Okay, good. So if you have things you want her to shuttle in here, please do so on the Rants. And what were your thoughts about this morning? You pulled this whole thing off. It was, do you have the action shot by the way that I sent you Caleb Susan in action behind the scenes. I was just trying to prep it. I'll see if I can get it

Oh, it'd be good to put that up when you can Well any any thoughts about your experience this morning? I know my thoughts so I We were given 72 hours notice. We weren't even given that so we charge from like this minute really it's like Yeah, 48 48 and we just showed up and met all the other people in the press and they had their Their their booms and their mics and their lights and their crews and we were all set up like a podcast row They call it. Basically you get a little corner and everybody gets an interview for 15 minutes with each

person. But it was easy getting into the White House, which I was pleasantly surprised because that's never happened before. And we pulled it off. We got some good footage. It was a little hard to, you know, with the equipment that I brought, which was basically an iPhone and a Rode mic, it worked, but it was a little harder with RFK Jr.

because of his voice, and I had the mic on the wrong side of the lapel, but I think Caleb was able to come up with some footage out of it. He was able to piece some stuff together. Maybe we can watch the Carolyn Levitt. But I was really excited to come, but I was super tired because we had to get up so early.

But otherwise it was fun. We ran into a lot of, we ran into Jack Pesoviac and Sage Steele who we've had on the show. We, Viva Frye who we always love to goof around with. He was smitten by RFK, ran up and did a selfie with him. And Tulsi Gabbard, when we saw her on the hall. Yeah, but then he was afraid when Tulsi came out, he goes, I said, well, I'll introduce you,

because he felt like a fool after jumping on RFK. But yeah, it was all the people that we know and love and in the media. And yeah, it was fun. It was fun to be part of the crew and actually be respected as like a team. I made that, it's one of the reasons I want to, I don't think I have this particular footage,

but one of the things I told to Carol, I think it's even this footage where I tell Carol and Levitt, I go, look, just you and your camera, I do make that point. Do you have that little footage, Caleb? That's what I'm saying in this little interview, which is the fact that we- I would remind myself of this.

CNN is like the bottom of the, MSNBC has more ratings nowadays than CNN. I think in this room, you get a bigger reach. 100%. This is the new world. And the other thing I want to point out to everybody, this is all you need to run this kind of business. Exactly.

As soon as you add that, you're adding expense you may not succeed. This is a new world. That used to be in a television studio. Now it's in my wife's hand. That's the point I was making. It was like this, the technology that I can hold in my hand used to require an entire studio to execute.

It's a little tiny, I have to say. But the point is you did it with the little ear pieces and the little microphones and the iPhone. and that's what makes this all possible. So carrying, having more lights and more this one. I mean I had camera mania envy and sound envy. But honestly we didn't, we came to schmooze and honestly anything that we take away today I think Caleb can fix in a post if we want to use something for social media. What we're supposed to do with this footage, I'm not really sure, but I think Drew more than anything needs to talk about what his experience is and what he takes away from

it, and then also to just be the voice or the media, I guess, without... Listen to the Treasury Secretary. I think that was actually some of the conversation. I mean, a lot of it was just developing a relationship with these people and hearing who they are, which you don't get to hear. I mean, one of the points I was making is there are all these political operates out there going,

we got to get the next Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan is a smart guy, a curious guy, a good interviewer, and he just sits and talks to people. And he's interested in who they are, what they're thinking, that's it. And that's the way I felt today. Like I had, I could have used another 15 minutes with each of them, just to get into it a little more,

but you get going, you get started. It's still long form, it's not the 12 second sound bite that most of media is. See if we can play the treasury secretary. I actually thought this was kind of a good point. Assuming a 3% growth rate, what is our sustainable budget versus GDP? What are we aiming at here? Well, what we want to do-

Sustainable deficit, I beg your pardon. So the long-term average for the past 40 or 50 years- Is 3% growth reasonable? 3% is very achievable. When we have more time we can talk about how crazy the CBO scoring is because it assumes 1.8 and whether taxes go up, taxes come down, it's 1.8. We think 3% is very achievable. It's more above its number. Well, the other thing too is we've got a record. It's what President Trump did in his first administration and we know the power of unleashing the private sector. So it's taxes, it's deregulation.

I think that's the under the publicized story, the amount of regulation the Obama administration put on the Biden administration put on. So we want to give business, industry, individuals, especially small businesses, regulatory certainty, and then the guaranteed energy. They want you out of here. So energy policy, deregulation, cutting cost? Cutting cost. You didn't mention cutting cost.

Cutting cost, I mean. Because that's what's in the press, is the cost-cutting part. Well, cutting cost has been unthinkable. Yeah. If you think about like a very simple formula, G equals T taxes minus spending, that the, or spending minus taxes.

Yes. That our side just wanted spending to go up a little less fast, their side likes to spend a lot. And the unthinkable would be if the S for spending went down we get taxes down and then the G is smaller but the GDP can be bigger. So there you go. That is our secretary of treasury, a very bright guy.

He comes from, he was a fund manager, I believe. He had a very famous home in Charlotte's, in, shoot, where's Port Sumter? Charlotte? No, no, I'm sorry. Where Port Sumter is. He restored a famous sort of manor there that figured prominently into the outbreak

of the Civil War. South Carolina? South Carolina, but the city Charleston. Charleston. Charleston. Charleston. Charleston. Charleston. Yeah. In any event, it was an interesting talk to him and we'll maybe tomorrow or something or next week show we'll play a little tape of RFK Jr. and what I got from him. playable tape of RFK Jr. and what I got from him. He was addressing today essentially the big layoff, saying, I'll just paraphrase, Dr. McCullough's here, I want to get right to him. But he was essentially saying that he had met a lot of really good, hardworking,

intelligent people at HHS working on behalf of the American people that he had great faith in. That was the majority of who was there, but there was sort of an ossified layer that he wanted to get rid of, and he was having to do so. And so he felt he could make things more efficient without that, which made sense to me. We didn't get into much more detail about that,

but I'll air that for you. But it's interesting here, what I learned from the treasury secretary was, I did not know this. I thought they were all focused on reducing spending. It turns out it's not the case. He is focused on reducing regulation, which is of course, you know,

that's a very common thread or a common theme in the right leaning politics, but I hadn't heard him articulate that. I don't know why, but I was interested to hear that. I learned that today myself. All right, so speaking of learning, let's get to Dr. Peter McCullough. He is on the medical board with me at the wellness company.

You all know him. He is probably our most important guest and a recurrent visitor that we learn from every single time he comes. Dr. McCullough, welcome back to the program. Thank you. It's great to be back and great to see you in Washington. I tell you, your alacrity with the economic principles

was very impressive, Dr. Drew. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. I have a weird preoccupation with history and economics. It's bizarre, but be that as it may, let's get back to medicine. A lot of stuff going on right now. I want to talk about spike at some point, but let's talk a little bird flu.

I think you sent me an article that I read rather quickly about some concerned about a new subvariant of the bird flu that's looking rather nasty. Tell me about that. Recall the bird flu outbreak has been going on for about four years now. The original source is called the clade. It's clade 2344B.

We think it emanated potentially out of the USDA research laboratory in Athens, Georgia. When they're working on mallard ducks, the duck started spreading around and then it's off to the races. The major genotype for years has been the B3.13, very mild conjunctivitis in humans, very mild in the birds, it spread to you know dozens of mammalian species. We've seen

the emergence of D1.1. Now that was in the near fatal case in a teenager in British Columbia who went the ICU and went on ECMO and needed bronchoscopy and samples. It was D1.1 in the fatal case in Louisiana, a man who cared for birds in his backyard or picked up birds. And then there's two fatal cases now in Cambodia, toddler and a man, not D1.1, but a different strain by what's called genetic reassortment. And so recently in Mississippi, I believe, there is an initial outbreak of a strain H7N9, another bird flu strain. What we're learning is the biosecurity policy

of continuing to cull and destroy all the healthy chickens and just cleanse the facilities and repopulate is allowing the virus to go in and reinfect and reinfect. And it's been too long of a time and it's allowed for genetic misadventure and now potentially some serious strains to emerge. So I don't remember any time, maybe I'm naive, but I don't remember any time, maybe I'm naive, but I don't remember any time in my career

where there was so much speed of genetic mutation or genetic, I used a specific word in terms of the admixturing and the changing of the genetic structuring. Is that because of the alteration or the work that's done in these viruses? Or has that just been going on and now we're just more aware of it?

I mean, this whole notion that it has the potential to be a pandemic virus, I never heard in my career prior to COVID, anybody going, oh, here's a virus that has the potential to be a pandemic until it was a pandemic. But you know what I mean? I don't understand how things are so different now.

But you know what I mean? I don't understand how things are so different now. Chances are they're not, with the exception of SARS-CoV-2. Influenza is known, if you have a whole series of strains of influenza and they cohabitate in the same nasopharynx, they can swap genetics because they're all influenza variants. That's called genetic reassortment. Okay. That's the one process. You know,

a mutation is when there's a dominant strain and there's a fundamental change. And with COVID it's always been the spike protein. That's the big mutation, you know, area where there's change and then flu, it's the hemagglutinase that's the spike protein of influenza. So there can be, so this D1.1 mutation of H5N1, that looks like it's a big deal, just like the Delta strain of COVID, the SARS-CoV-2, that was a big deal. And then there's another process, that's this kind of seasonal process called antigenic drift. That's a very interesting blend where, you know, in a sense, there is this kind of seasonal change where there is some variation.

You know, animals take on different, you know, images and shapes and humans, you know, over time, it's not the same illness every time. So we have genetic capabilities, we have a full, you know, genomic sequencing available. But but don't don't forget, there's also a business opportunity and the business opportunity is always a vaccine. And that's the reason why can you imagine if you're a vaccine manufacturer, or let's say you're Bill Gates, and you have seppy the coalition for epidemic preparedness, innovation, and this is your baby, you've invested in this.

And you you know, believe or you could message that there is a strain of pandemic potential. Oh, so now you're in the vaccine business. This is very important. And these companies are salivating at the next big government contract for vaccines. Okay, that explains a little bit of this. Let's, and there's the, I think,

what is it H7N5 now flying around? There's a bunch of things that I'm worried about. That's H7N9. And it traditionally had a higher mortality. Now keep in mind the legacy mortality of bird flu was always, you know, Southeast Asia, you know, undernourished families sleeping with chickens, no medical care. It really wasn't plausible.

But when we saw that the girl in British Columbia going, you know, modern ICU on ECMO, and it looks like, you know, big time bird flu influenza that caught our attention. The man who died in Louisiana, a little different story. It's still cloudy what's happened. And our CDC needs to go investigate and write up these cases in MMWR. Speaking of which, by the way, I talked to RFK Jr. this morning about his new CDC director and actually several people around him, a couple of person around him. I talked to her about her as well. They are very confident in her. She's an old, very much of a Maha advocate

and she is, a lot of the nonsense swirling around her seems to be just that. So patience everybody on the new CDC director. Maybe she will do exactly what you're asking for here. And again, Tamiflu, we offer that through the wellness company that is available. You can take that if you get sick. If you want it, some people are advocating

adding a second antiviral if you get bird flu, if you actually got it, maybe. But in any event, be prepared, everybody, the wellness company has emergency kits if you want to get those. Let's switch back to spike and COVID. I am not quite sure where I am yet with this. I'm seeing people start to get much more matter of fact

with the presence of myocarditis from the spike and COVID. people start to get much more matter of fact with the presence of myocarditis from the spike and COVID. Like, oh, okay, we're finally admitting that that's the case. That still people are saying, it's the COVID, it's not the vaccine, but everybody agrees it's the spike protein. So how could it not at least also be the vaccine doing this?

And fine, but let's do finally the research that either establishes the difference or that they together they're as bad or worse than either individual. We got a lot of questions that have yet to be answered. I asked by the way, RFK Jr. a little bit about this on the DL today. And he was like, at this position,

I can't do much about that editorial stuff that I was going to do as president. So fine, we got to sort of keep applying pressure wherever we can to get the editorial process of the journals to be more diversified, let's say, and less in one direction. But what should people do who are worried they have a spike-opathy?

People are kind of all over the place right now, and I'd like you to give them a little primer What should people do who are worried they have a spikeopathy? People are kind of all over the place right now, and I'd like you to give them a little primer on how they should be approaching this if they still have long COVID, long Vax, any of these symptoms that they're worried are part of that syndrome. Well, I should just tell you quickly about the case I just had before I came on with you. And let me tell you that it's a man in his 50s in Dallas, Fort Worth. And he took three Pfizer vaccines. And so the final booster, the final booster was early in 2022.

And within a month of the third one, he develops a pulmonary embolism. Okay. So he gets a blood clot. That's a well-known complication of the spike protein. Has he had COVID? Is COVID the illness involved in there anywhere? Never had it. Never had it.

Okay. Never had COVID. Tested him. Antibody negative against nucleocapsid. Interesting. Okay. So this is solid. He's one of the 3% of Americans who's not had COVID.

And he reminded me of that. So for sure, this is the vaccine. And he has loss of mental clarity, post-exertional malaise, fatigue. He's on medical disability. He's on blood thinners, anxiety, depression, the whole thing. Everything is cascading around him. So he's been searching. He's been to Mayo Clinic.

He's been to many specialists. You know, I'm one of maybe a dozen doctors he's seen. But one of the people he engaged with is Bruce Patterson at IncelDX. If you haven't had Bruce on your show, you should. We have and his partner, Ramielogendra, we were early to that. And he had an observation early in COVID, early in the vaccine history, that there were these non-classical monocytes

with persistent viral particles that prevented them from going from their normal cycle of apoptosis. And they were showing up throughout the CNS, cause the inflammation. Well, this patient I just had got his panel with Bruce Patterson in cell DX, which specifically can measure the S1 segment

of the spike protein in the CD16 positive monocytes. So my patient now two and a half years after his booster has the S one segment positive. So it's not COVID. So we've rolled that out. It's the vaccine. And, you know, he pointed me to a company that I'm going to explore. This is a Wolfgang Wodart, I believe company in Germany, but I want to,

some of your viewers are, I heard they were doing some stuff with German group. In fact, yesterday, Rom Joegender, his partner was supposed to be on the show, but we had to cancel the strand to travel here. So we will get, I'm glad I'm talking to you about this because we'll follow on with him. Right, so- Do they have cures for the spike protein?

Well, that's what we're going to get into here. That's what he's- Yeah. We're going to get to that, but let me get this company's name out here. It's called IMODIA, I-I-N-M-O-D-I-A, the Institute for Molecular Diagnostics. And here it's a diagnostic laboratory for the clarification and documentation of possible COVID-19 vaccine damage. And they will be able to detect from biopsies,

blood, cerebral spinal fluid, spike protein. And, uh, they will do focused testing for Pfizer, BioNTech, Moderna, AstraZeneca, Janssen, uh, in terms of the spike protein related to those products and measure the messenger RNA using reverse QPCR technology. So we're going to see it. You know, the Biden administration, since you're in Washington, this is important to know, the Biden administration, HHS, spent a billion dollars on long COVID syndromes. Not in one spent a billion dollars on long COVID syndromes. Not in one program did they even capture

whether or not someone took a vaccine. So everything was long COVID. And not in a single project, did they mention the word spike or spike protein. That's crazy. And one of the things that Patterson's partner told me early on, he said, he kind of said it under his breath on the DL.

He goes, you know, most of the said it under his breath on the DL. He goes, you know, most of the long COVID we're seeing is actually a long vax. And I went, yeah, of course, of course, that makes sense. Both exist, it's fine, but a lot of it is long vax because that's the thing that really, when it goes sour, really is producing persistent spike. And the fact that we continue to mandate

this spike factory vaccine, why can't we switch into a nucleocapsid or something other than the pathogenic molecule? Isn't that weird? Whether or not we need a vaccine at all, you know, there was an announcement on Washington just kind of killing the rest of these COVID projects because they said essentially the pandemic's over with. I believe that's coming. I believe that is coming

I you're absolutely correct Now let's talk about go ahead There's one more paper that well, we have this out of my sub stack focal points Perez and colleagues just came out today They have now data on people out to five shots people taking, you know Five COVID MRA shots and clearly showing what's called IgG subclass switching. So going from the beneficial IgG one and two, which neutralizes the protein, IgG four, which is useless and counterproductive, and clearly showing that those with IgG four have a predilection for getting recurrent COVID. So for those calling for the vaccines

to be called off the market, sure, we could remove any more safety events occurring, but we actually may end the pandemic because we won't have any more of these people getting COVID. Wow, that's just mind boggling. So let's talk about if anybody's having long COVID, long vac symptoms, and even,

especially if they're on restricted income or something, and they want to be able to do something to make themselves better. I, a lot of people have tried a lot of things. What is there, do you have like a stepwise approach? Is it published somewhere that people can go to? We've published in the World Journal of Cardiology, which is in the PubMed peer-reviewed literature,

a risk stratification approach. We think a valuable test is the antibodies against the spike protein, which is widely available. We like the LabCorp Rochealexis Extended Range Assay. Normal is less than 0.8, and it ranges up to 25,000. So there's been plenty of papers showing we can gauge risk, zero to a thousand is a pretty good number. The patient I just finished with, he's at 5,000.

He's been detoxing hard. Now the detoxification approach, we've published a sub stack on this, some focal points, and I've done some shows on this. We think a lot of people can do this themselves actually, but through the wellness company and get the ultimate spike detox. That's natokinase, bromine, curcumin and some minor ingredients. Two capsules twice a day starting.

Under physician supervision, we can go to four capsules twice a day on an empty stomach. To handle some of this loss of mental clarity, a product you helped design, MindLift. And I've used that in some of these kind of brain fog cases and patients do get a sense of improved mental clarity for decreased energy, post-exertional malaise. We have the elevated energy product, something to fit that need. And then lastly, for the cardiovascular part of it, the healthy heart provides some additional support to the

heart, We think this patient I had, by the way, he had MRI proven myocarditis in addition to pulmonary embolism. So, you know, I recommended the four package for him. I've tried a lot of prescription drugs, Dr. Drew. I really am not convinced that very few generally work, but I can tell you in specific syndrome. So myoparacarditis cultucine for a year. That's guidelines. That should be the best guidelines. Okay.

If there are craniofacial syndromes, trigeminal neuralgia, loss of smell, olfactory nerve, skin rashes, ground glass appearance in the chest, I think persistent SARS-CoV-2 infection, ivermectin. So it's one of the few syndromes, it's not ivermectin for everybody, but specifically for that syndrome. I typically go about 90 days, prolonged course of ivermectin.

ANA positive, rheumatoid factor positive, anti-sitrile related peptide positive, lupus, anticoagulant or anti-cardiolipin positive, hydroxycoarquine, not forever, but again, a three, six, nine month course. And then another interesting observation, and I have, this has borne out my practice, severe loss of mental clarity,

sometimes some numbness and tingling, seems to clear up with a nicotine patch. So I'm certain. I've seen that. Ritalin too, I've seen Ritalin help with people. That makes perfect sense to me. Also, I personally, having had the actual long COVID, not long Vax, working on languages, I'm telling you,

there's a study out there, there's a series of studies, actually a meta-analysis that shows the primary, you know, there was a lot of people, a lot of talk about your brain shrieking during COVID, right, which of course happens to adults with any severe viral illness. But there's some data out there that shows now that that's primarily temporal, parietal temporal.

And that's where the language centers are. And I myself just working on language has really cleared my fog. It was rather dramatic. So music, language, those sorts of things that are managed in this part of the brain might help sort of restore some of that stuff. Excellent, just don't watch TV. That's probably one of the most mind numbing things restore some of that stuff. Excellent. Just don't watch TV.

That's probably one of the most mind-numbing things you can do. But so active... If you feel like doing when you have this stuff too, it's all you feel like doing. So, Caleb, what do you put in there? What do you think about the nicotine? He's saying use the nicotine for brain fog. Yeah, Dr. McCullough, he mentioned that.

And I've actually read certain anecdotes from people that were saying stuff that were similar, where they're saying the low like 3-milligram of nicotine pouches patches smoking like the pouches or the patches Yeah, where is right effective against their brain fog that's anecdotal stuff But have you seen more instances of that working for some people? Well, there's a pretty solid report, Caleb, out of Switzerland showing indeed that the nicotine blocks the spike proteins interaction with the nicotinic acetylcholine receptors. Now, keep in mind, smokers did very well through COVID.

I don't think I've ever seen a smoker with long COVID syndrome. I haven't seen one. Interesting. Isn't that interesting? And I've treated face to face and examined thousands of patients. So I've really been in the trenches. Now keep in mind smokers smoke in a way where they keep the blood levels of nicotine up consistently. It's not up and down. It's consistent. And so what

emulates that is a nicotine patch. And remember for smokers, for nicotine addiction, we use 21 milligrams a day. But for a nonsmoker in this application would use seven milligrams a day. So it's it's lower. I think that's most effective. Take it off and you have a shower. Can I usually go about 90 days on things I don't think it's going to be forever to get people to detox. Now, some people can't tolerate it. So they've tried the nicotine gum, which is two milligrams, but much more an up and down effect.

And then these pouches, I've just had a few patients with these pouches report some success. And keep in mind the pouches, I understand, are not tobacco, Dr. Drew. Right. The snooze. Yeah. The snooze likes pouches. Yeah, they're pretty high. They're pretty high in nicotine, though.

I tried those a couple of times. I got nauseated from're pretty high. They're pretty high in nicotine though. I tried those a couple of times. I get nauseated from them pretty quickly. I've seen, for example, I think when you're talking about the pouches, they go as low as three milligrams I've seen because I think Tucker Carlson actually has a brand called Alp. That is, he's selling those and it's just,

it's supposed to be just mainly straight up nicotine and not have all the other side additives. I know, but Caleb, three milligrams, don't forget the mucosa in the mouth is a direct absorption route. Three milligrams in the mouth is a lot. That's a lot. Now, I last week saw a patient with a very,

very peculiar craniofacial pain syndrome, and it didn't even occur to me to check, and she had multiple vaccines, it didn't occur to me to check anything. Would it be, what's the first step in evaluating that? Check the antibodies or? Yeah, I would check the antibodies. Antibodies against the spike protein.

If it's less than a thousand, it's probably not spike related. If it's up there, she's up there at five, 10, 15, 20,000. Likely it is. Now, one of the things you can do on these terrible craniofacial syndromes, believe it or not, is do a stellate ganglion block. So I refer to a doctor here in Dallas and he has lots of case examples of this.

And under ultrasound, usually a pain doctor does this, they find the stellate ganglion and they just inject some lidocaine around it. I think some longer acting, you know, a long acting anesthetic. And it's very interesting. What it does is it blocks a feedback loop because the stellate ganglion, the brain are constantly doing this. And once you block the loop,

it's like you abolish the syndrome, not just for a few days, but you know, essentially permanently. So consider the stellate ganglion., those cellulite ganglion guys also claim they can interrupt PTSD and things with similar kinds of intervention, which is fascinating to me. Okay, so what I wanted to get at though

was the spike detox. So it's two capsules, twice the empty stomach, but you need a physician management for four, and why is that? Well, four, we're getting to 16,000 fiber link use a day of natto kind of. So we're getting into almost in a coagulation range. Now I talked to Jordan Vaughn who testified in Congress.

Jordan is an internist. He's running the largest vaccine blood clot center in the United States, uh, in conjunction with, I guess, a lot of referrals from William Redfield, former CDC director, and Jordan out of the gate is using 16,000 of NATO a day that Redfield is now in the world of vaccine opathies? Wow! That's crazy. A lot of patients, well, because people call them and you know, so many blood cuts out there. Anyhow, you know, the safety limit on natto in our original paper, we learned from the Japanese is probably 80,000 units a day. But now we're up to 16,000 units a day.

In my practice, I have thousands of patients on this drugged observation. I've had one important bleeding event and it happened in a patient with liver disease, okay, significant liver disease was admitted to the hospital, the GI bleed did not require transfusion, but it was close. Now I've used 16,000 a day, in addition to Eloquiz and Serralto and Pradaxa and even Warfarin. Other blood centers. We have to be cautious and, you you know have an eye towards safety. I always tell people listen look for easy bruising bleeding from the nose after brushing the teeth and we can reduce the dose. People getting surgical procedures make sure we stop these

supplements a couple days ahead of time. So the physician's supervision is primarily ahead of time. So the physician's supervision is primarily just observational, just maintaining somebody eyes on, making sure there's no evidence of bleeding, anything that we would identify as concerning subconjunctival hemorrhages or something like that. All right, interesting. Because I occasionally have patients that are taking two twice a day and are like, I want to do more. I'm like, I'm not sure exactly how to advise you.

The other thing back to Patterson and his group, they were using Maravirac and Pravacol at one point in their, Maravirac is an old antiviral, I think, and Pravacol, believe it or not, is a ACE inhibitor. Statin. Statin, yeah. Is there anything in your armamentarium that suggests that kind of thing would be helpful?

Well, in fact, he's proposed that for my patient I just presented. Wow. And the idea is the statin just blocks some of the metabolism of the myrevirac, which is an old HIV drug. I've tried it a few times. I haven't seen any benefit at all. I'm greatly concerned about toxicity.

Okay. I told my patient, I said, much safer to go with the natural products here. We have seen spike antibodies markedly go down with the ultimate spike detox from the wellness company or similar configurations. We have one a peer reviewed published paper demonstrating that in a myocarditis case and cleared up so it can happen. It just takes a long time, typically a

year. And I always tell people, listen, go a year on detox. And then if it's well tolerated, you know, continue extending it until we can learn more. This guy who takes the vaccine and he still has spike in the blood two and a half years later, we're going to publish that. That's greatly concerning. I'm going to publish that. That's greatly concerning. My last thing is I want to get your opinion on something that the owner of the LA Times, he's also a cancer surgeon. He's a pharmaceutical researcher, Patrick Soon-Shon.

I can never always mess up his name, but he has become gravely concerned that our natural killer T cell population has been altered. He's worried about COVID. He admitted that the spike is probably the origin of the natural killer depletion. Therefore the vaccine must also similarly be a concern that the natural killer wipeout

is sort of the last defense against cancer and he believes that that is why we are seeing an uptick in ockigenesis. I wonder if you have any opinion about that and if so is there anything we can do about it? Yeah probably the best paper to quote is by Anguis and Bustos and it was published in the Springer Nature Journal, they're from Oregon. It was called the multi-hit hypothesis for cancer development after COVID-19 vaccination. And it does point out multiple mechanisms. Some of these T, this imbalance between T helpers, regulators, and killer cells. To me, the big ticket mechanisms are spike protein interfering with P53 and BRCA.

These are tumor surveillance systems. There's a University of Pittsburgh paper demonstrating that stoichiometrically. And then, of course, messenger RNA-impearing DNA repairs, too much going on in the nucleus of cells. The Chinese have shown that. And then this contamination, this SV40, these little fragments of DNA found in Pfizer and Moderna, sometimes above the size or the quantity threshold. If you examine SV40 and it's rolling cancer, to me it's not that clear.

I'm interested in this, Drew, maybe you were in the same age group. I was in the age group where I probably received some SV40 when the polio injectable vaccines were contaminated. So in 19, I think it's 1955 to 1964, when we were getting our polio shots, some of us got contaminated. And there was an Institute of Medicine report on this,

and which said, we don't know how much cancer later on is going to be due to the SV40. So I've looked into it and it's not entirely clear to me that SV40, the promoter, the enhancer, and the origin of replication are so directly oncogenic. But in the Bustos paper, the reason why it's important is that, listen, it's never a single mechanism for cancer. It's multiple mechanisms that land in the same patient. And that's what, now I wish the LA Times

would have been a little bit more fair to me early on in the pandemic. They were on my cease and desist list for writing me up and smearing me in the LA Times. Well, listen, I would urge you, they now have a website, I guess, where you're allowed to interact with the writers. Please put something up there. He seems contrite and concerned, and he seemed like a reasonable person. He was not involved in the running of the paper and has since stepped back in. I was delighted to see that. So he's trying, I think.

But yeah, oh, I've had horrific, horrific, disgusting. I brought it up to him. I was like, these people, what is wrong? Oh yeah, what's wrong with your journalists not doing their job? So this is disgusting. And he kind of laughed, ha ha. Well, it's not so funny when you're the object

of their ridiculousness, but there you go. And then I got a feedback, oh, she's scared. She's, you're just, she's getting threats. Like, what do you think I got up until this day because of the garbage she wrote? Give me a break. How's it feel? You know, you reap what you sow, people.

You're not the only ones with the access to the public now. When you were the ones that spilled the ink by the barrel, oh, oh, then who cares? Now other people can respond and other people hear it. Now you care? Oh, fantastic. Do your job. Just do your damn job.

All right, enough, Peter, I've had enough today. I will see you, we will see you, is it next week? Is it wellness? Yes, wellness company conference. Yeah, we'll all be together. I really appreciate you joining us here. I think this is an important update. I hope you'll come back every once in a while

and reclarify things, because there's a lot of really nuanced and important advances that move along here as we find out more and get more experience with this, reach a greater consensus about what's going on. More people willing to not attack doctors who are trying to struggle with this. I mean, think about how silly that is.

Willingness to not attack doctors who are trying to help patients. Where are we? All right, Where do you want people to go to find you? Well, go to focal points sub stack, go to www.thefocalpoints.com. We got, you know, it's free, get it every day, get the updated abstracts, graphical information, key interviews. You know, make sure you check out America Out Loud Talk Radio McCullough Report. That's my podcast as well as Pulse on Wednesdays.

And you follow me on social media. I'm out there. I'm chasing you, Dr. Drew. I can never catch you in followers since you've been at it so long. Such a master. Been at it too long. Great to join you. You as well.

We're delighted to have you. Do follow Dr. McCullough, people that you will benefit from following. So do so. Hey, hey, Peter, retweet us on Twitter when you get off the line. I think I did, but I'll give it another blast. Okay. Thank you.

See you soon, see you next week. Ta ta. All right, coming up we have Stephanie Van Watson. She is a veterinarian. She was caring for Navy dolphins and they developed illness and she found a way to prevent those illnesses and lo and behold humans have a similar biology and we should be taking advantage of her findings.

She now has a new book, it's called The Longevity Nutrient. I urge you to read this book. This is a real, we'll talk about when she gets in here. It's a really good book. And Caleb, maybe on the way back we can, let's see, what do I want to choose here? Maybe we should have, there's the lunch of a nutrient. We should do RFK talking about the budget cuts

because that was what was in the news today. So he'll tell you. The pediatrics was really about the World Health Organization. We can play that in the other. It's on my mind. But it's okay, you do you. What would you like to say?

You're the producer, you can air what you want. I think it's talk a little bit on all, but go ahead. We're going to, let's take a break. If we can do both, then everybody will be happy. Caleb, I don't know if you want to do both or not. I have all those clips, all three clips. But I thought we might save the- We came all the way out here to do this.

I thought we might save the pediatric and the Caroline signal gate, but maybe the signal gate will have passed by then. So you can drop them in as you will. We'll try to get through all of them today. How about that? All right. Yeah, let's do the RFK on the budget and also we'll do, or sorry, RFK on the pediatrics and then also Caroline, we got to do a Caroline clip.

That one was so good. We got to do it when the guy walks in front of the camera. I love the, I love the one woman walking across with the treasury secretary. I'm like, dude. Oh yeah. Carol, her reaction, my wife and I, we call her the our millennial queen. She's our representative in the White House representing our generation. She is ridiculous. I guess we didn't look professional.

I know we're not going to hear the whole interview, but I was mostly asking about her, right? I mean, what the hell? You know, how do you spill out of New Hampshire and Catholic girls, not girls, Catholic girls, all of a sudden you're in front of the press pool at the White House. It's crazy. She just had a baby or was nine equals pregnant or something. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. She had to jump right back into the campaign.

But yeah, we'll run that clip. You got to see how she reacts. Someone walks in front of the camera and she's like a boss just as like, she look and they're like, this guy's about to get fired. Whoever that was. He did. He did crawl back at him. I apologize. But I didn't, I didn't, what am I here? You guys didn't hear me yell at him. Here we go. Be right back.

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We were at the White House doing interviews of cabinet level officials. Who you want to play first, Caleb? Let's play. Let's play Caroline. Since I lined it up, this was about just under three minutes and she's going to be talking about signal gate and some of the other stuff that's going on at the opening. No, bring Stephanie Van Watt. This one's a situation. And to me Stephanie Van Watt in. Any signal situation.

And to me, it feels like we need to move on. Yes. That something happened. Yes, something happened. Got it. Did it cause any consequence? Are we able to move on to more substantial policy conversations?

Are you having any traction moving them off of this? Or is it just we got to get a hoax out there? If it were up to the legacy media, they would want to stay stuck on it forever. But why? I don't understand. As an American I don't want that. I want that news.

It's sensationalism. Well thank you. They are realizing that sensationalism no longer sells papers or gets you ratings. If you look at the ratings, we were just talking about this, you know, you look at channel networks like CNN which used to be the number one on cable news, their ratings are in the gutter Yeah, and it's because they focus on the sensationalism every hour of every day. They are bashing Donald Trump That's not what America wants to hear They want to hear about the MS 13 ringleader who the president and his team arrested this morning and will be deported from our country

They want to hear about the president's tariffs yesterday and how those are going to impact them and their family What's happening he just can be walked Who is that guy? Is he a staffer? Can you go tell him? The media to focus on the issues that matter the auto tariffs president Trump Trump signed into law, how it will impact prices, jobs, wage growth? Tell me how. Well, it's a great question. Huge for the auto industry.

In fact- My car is worth a little more today. I like that. Well, Sean, that's right. I'm a foreign vehicle. It's fine. But what this is going to do for our manufacturing industry, our auto industry- Drive everybody back here. Onshore jobs.

That's what the president envisions. I've talked to him so much about his tariff policy and his vision for America, where the middle class in middle America, states like mine in northern New Hampshire, Are you New Hampshire or Massachusetts? New Hampshire. Yes. But even Massachusetts, Lowell, Massachusetts, you went to college in Western Mass, used to be an industrial town.

And now all those factories exactly are hollowed out because those jobs have offshored to China. The president wants those jobs to come back where middle America is working, making goods here and we're selling them to the rest of the world. We have the labor and the resources to do it and that's what he envisions. How long is that going to take though? That feels like it's something that it's gonna take a while. Well the president wants it to take as quickly as possible and that's part of the reason he's implementing such strong tariff It feels like it's something that is going to take a while. Well, the president wants it to take as quickly as possible. Of course.

And that's part of the reason he's implementing such strong tariff policies to incentivize these companies to come back as soon as they can. And we've already seen it. I mean, even before President Trump announced this policy yesterday, you've seen Hyundai, you've seen Mercedes, you've seen BMW, and many other car companies say that they are going to invest more in America. How great that we have a president who is really rallying the cause

and is telling the rest of the world, you better do business here. And by the way, if you do business in America, you won't have any tariffs and you'll have the lowest taxes in the world. There is the administration's greatest cheerleader right there. And she's a pleasure to talk to,

a really interesting person with a, just so interesting, somebody that age gets in front of the press pool. We also talked about the fact that used to, that room we were in used to be the press room. It was in the executive building where Truman and Eisner used to have their press conferences. Now it's in the press pool,

which was during the Kennedy era, up until then was actually a pool, a swimming pool, that's still essentially covered by plywood and upon which the press now sits. All right, shall we, before we bring in the RFK budget clip, let us go to my guest, Stephanie Van Watson. She is the brains behind fatty. I'm recalled, well, I'll tell her this in a second,

but the new book is called Longevity, The Longevity Nutrient. I suggest you get it, I suggest you read it. Welcome back, Stephanie Van Watson. There it is. Dr. Drew, it's wonderful to be here. You know, I was thinking when we were together the other day that I think where I found you was on your Ted Talk.

I think that is where I first saw you. And I was like, oh, that is something. That is real. This gent, she understands this science. And then we got going from there. So part, the reason I bring this up is, this is one of the reasons I love the book because you lay out the longevity science

much the way you did on that TED Talk in ways that people can understand it from first principles. And we are really in a world now where people can, people like me aren't just trying to prevent things that shorten life, we can try to add things that lengthen life. Yeah, that's absolutely right. And, you know, it's what's really exciting, Dr. Drew,

is when we look at longevity and we cover in the book, like the seven must haves of a longevity nutrient or really any molecule that can effectively slow our aging rate, stem and slow the onset of chronic diseases that kill us. That's how we can not only live longer, but we can live healthier. We go through some of the top molecules on that longevity leaderboard including things like rapamycin,

metformin, and then how this new discovery of C15, this first essential fatty acid discovered in over 90 years that we've talked about, how it really has become not only the leading longevity nutrient but the leading longevity molecule. It provides a lot of hope and a lot of excitement in the field of longevity that we really can reverse the aging process. Lots of really smart people working on it and lots of hope. And it makes sense with how I understand the biology, which is that oxidation is one of the enemies and these oxidized elements can get into the cell membranes

and cause them to age. It's just the aging process and they kind of fall apart both at the mitochondrial level out of the cell membrane. Yeah, you know, a lot of if you talk to us fellow longevity scientists, we all have our favorite doomsday reason for aging and what takes us out in the end. But and agree with you, Dr. Drew, that lipid peroxidation, it's it's ironic that oxygen, right, this molecule that we can't survive without for three to seven minutes is the same molecule that in the end, attacks our molecules in our cell membranes, breaks them down, leads to the aging process, and in the end, kills us. So, it's this balance that we have with the Jekyll and Hyde of oxygen. And we now know that the more stable the fatty acids

in the cell membrane, especially C15, one of its essential roles is that it keeps our cell membrane stronger, protects us against the slip in proxidation, the attack of oxygen, and that prolongs life. There's actually a really cool theory that comes from A.J. Holbert, where he showed that the more stable and sturdy fatty acids in the cell membranes are,

the longer a species lives. So it's already, you know, nature has already figured this out, exactly what you said of how a human and a dolphin can live 20 to 30 times longer than a mouse. So let's not start by trying to figure out how to help mice live longer. Let's start by understanding how us long lived species live a long time and then push and optimize that. And so that's what we've been able to do

with the Navy and C-15. And it's interesting that I'm gonna make you go back and tell me what you mean by that, the Navy and C C-15 because you can tell that story in a second. But I'm just sitting here thinking about how I'm realizing as you described this that for many years it was always oxygen becomes a free radical on destroys the genetic machinery, which of course it can do. But there wasn't a lot of evidence for that happening sort of over time. The way now you can say, oh, the oxygen gets slowly,

it peroxidizes the membranes over time. And that's another, it doesn't have to rip the whole cell apart, it's just this slow destabilization process. Yeah, that's right. And in fact, there was this discovery of a whole new form of cell death called ferroptosis. And this was discovered by Columbia University researchers back in 2012.

And that's where they found that when we went to medical school or took our cell biology class, we learned there were three ways our cells die. This group discovered a fourth. And this form of theroptosis is exactly what you said, where it's this attack of oxygen on fragile fatty acids in the cell membrane. That leads to everything Dr. Ju, you just described it takes out our mitochondria leads to reactive oxygen species. While that used to be a slow process that happens over time, what we're now seeing is

with this process and this new cell death of ferroptosis is accelerated. And so this accelerated aging process is happening. Nobody really understood why for for apoptosis showed up until we'll talk about the dolphins revealed that- Go ahead. That's what I was going to say. Next, go to the dolphins. That's where that's what I was going to say. Go to the dolphins. That's where they found out what was happening.

Yeah, this unexpected surprise, right? As a veterinary epidemiologist, I was working to continually help improve the health and welfare of the Navy's dolphins. That's when we discovered that about one in three of Navy dolphins as they got older developed things that are going to sound familiar like high cholesterol, chronic inflammation, insulin resistance and fatty liver disease, and even changes consistent with Alzheimer's in the brain. So because the dolphins are such a clean population, they don't smoke, they don't drink, they have

a very clean diet and consistent healthcare. I don't know what dolphins you hang around, but hmm. Maybe they need dolphins. They might be getting some drinking in there. But we were able to use this advanced technology called metabolomics to study thousands of small molecules in their archived serum and in their all fish diet. And that's where we discovered it was C15 of 460 different molecules present in our in the dolphin's blood. This population of dolphins gave us the gift, the secret showing that C15, this odd chain

saturated fatty acid helps explain why the healthy aging dolphins were aging healthier. Since then, over a hundred peer reviewed papers published by folks from around the world showing that C15 is not only essential, but is now a key to sustaining our long-term metabolic heart and liver health and therefore our longevity.

And it is a fat that is sourced from foods and nutrients that we are generally discouraged from accessing creams and things like that, that we have, we are sort of low fat oriented. So we're becoming deficient in this thing necessarily as a result of our dietary intake as well, correct? That is correct. So we published last year what's called cellular fragility syndrome. So if something is essential, part of the definition of essentiality means that if you take it out of your diet, which is exactly like you said has happened as we decreased our intake

of dairy fat, that you would expect to see a deficiency like vitamin C deficiency in scurvy and vitamin D deficiency in rickets. So what we found was C15 deficiency makes cells more fragile, they break down faster, cause this new form of cell death fructosis is present in as many as one in three of us. And in fact, maybe explaining this rise we're seeing in type two diabetes, coronary heart disease and fatty liver disease, especially among younger people born since the 1990s. Well, Dr. Ben Watson, I take it, Susan takes it.

Yep, she says she takes it, kids take it, everybody takes it. We do she says she takes it, my kids take it, everybody takes it. And I get the science. I think you all, if you followed what Dr. Ben Watson is saying here and you want to hear it again, I want to see more, it's all laid out in the longevity and neutrality if you want to convince a family member. The opening chapters of that book, I just thought,

oh, everybody can understand this. And so, and that's unusual for a longevity cellular biology conversation. And you have a way of presenting it that's actually interesting too. Usually people's eyes glaze over when you talk about these things. But we appreciate you, we appreciate the book.

It's Seraphina Therapeutics. You can get it at doctor.com slash fatty15. And am I right? Did your husband say that fatty's gonna have a new landing page or is there a new website for people to go to yet? and get at doctor.com slash fatty 15. And am I right? Did your husband say that fatty is gonna have a new landing page or is there a new website for people to go to yet? There is, so there's for the book,

there's the longevitynutrient.com and then we have fatty15.com and Eric's right here to tell me the answers. Dr. Drew, fatty15.com slash Dr. Drew. All right, perfect, beautiful. All right, we will see you again very soon. Thank you for joining us. Great, thank you.

Take care, bye bye. All right, we're going to watch a couple more videos of what happened to us today at the White House. Again, we are here in Washington, DC, if you're just joining us. That's why the unusual environment. We're at the Rumble Studios. We are so grateful to our Rumble friends,

Rumble, Rumble, wait a minute. There it is, Rumble, Rumble, wait a minute, there it is, Rumble. And we were, you know, with several of the cabinet level officials and the two remaining clips we have here are of RFK Jr. talking both about the budget cuts this morning that have been in the news and also I was asking about some of the World Health Organization mandates or things that are being experienced as mandates that have been uptaken by the

pediatric community that don't make sense to me. So let's look at the budget cuts first. I've been battling public health agencies for many years and you know what I found is the most of the people who work for the agency are extraordinary public servants. Yeah. Really devoted to the mission, but there's an upper echelon of, um, of people who've been entrenched there for many years.

Yeah. And that's true throughout Washington, right? Yeah. And it's not just this. And you know, the agency is simply dysfunctional. Yeah. And that's true throughout Washington, right? It's not just this. Yeah. And you know, the agency is simply dysfunctional. Yeah. During the Biden administration, they increased the budget by 38%.

I know. We're just so much healthier now. Yeah. It's worse. What happened? It's like, poof. We had a 17% increase in employees. You should hold it upside down.

And our health continued to decline. So what's happening? Yeah. There, what we're really trying to do there now is to imbue people with insensivation, give them very, very clear objectives. So everybody wakes up in the morning and says, it's all rolling in the same direction.

And I could not be more vivid and more clear. Yeah, it seemed pretty vivid, clear, simple to me. I don't understand the Mishigas around it or as Susan says, Mishmagash. And I was, I just, that's fine. He has to manage his organization and that's how he's going to manage it. And he's trying to get everybody in this philosophically

and procedurally and policy in the same boat and do it as efficiently as cost-effectively as possible. I don't understand why that is controversial. That's just me. And then I asked a question about the pediatric World Health Organization. There are certain things that the World Health Organization has gotten into the pediatric world that I don't understand and

They just don't they just don't make sense. And so I raised this I'm not a pediatrician So maybe there are reasons that I don't understand but I raised this concern with our kid junior and here's this was his response I was looking at some of the things that are recommended I've got a granddaughter now. The World Health Organization has got its hand in a lot of the things that are being ... that pediatrics do these days. Can we disentangle that? I immediately don't trust that. Yeah.

It's critical. And I think some people are upset because we went through with WHO. WHO has become a very nefarious organization. I look at the things they're recommending. I'm like, I don't know where this came from. Oh, it came from them? Oh my God.

It's all driven by big pharma, driven by China, it's been driven by all these other things. And this weird sense that if one person gets it, everybody's got to get it. That's not medicine. That's not medicine. That is not medicine. The medicine is one patient, one doctor, one family,

one doctor with that patient necessary if it's a pediatric case, they make the decision. Not anybody else, not some centralized, not some handed on down from on high. That is, I don't know what that is, but it's certainly not the practice of medicine. And again, he's very satisfying to me to talk to him. His head is in the right place.

I would urge patience. I came away this morning thinking, wow, the jobs that these people have to do are enormous. And we actually walked out of that whole session and walked right into Tulsi Gabbard, who was dealing with all the SignalGate stuff. And she could not have been more gracious, graceful, hug both of us, right? Did you notice any stress, Susan?

Yeah, I wish she had gotten there sooner because we could have interviewed her. I mean, I don't want to bother her. I don't know if she was just passing by or she was just- She was in a meeting at the other end of the hall. I saw her come out of the meeting. And I sort of tracked her down and she had the big Secret Service guy there

with the nuclear code or something in the bag She she looked can we get on the camera to Dylan gets it here. Thanks The way she went the way she was dressed She was like she looked like she was in military girl She had a white jacket like a long jacket and skirt like totally covered. She wasn't in a hang loose Hawaii Yeah, she looked like I mean it was a little Hillary Clinton esque, very, very professional. And, but, you know, smiling, hugged you. Yeah, but you can just see that she's taken on such a huge endeavor. And she, I said, congratulations. Oh my God, we're so happy for you. And she goes, Oh, I've seen

you a lot in the news. And Drew said that we've seen you a lot in the news too. And she kind of went, you know, like, okay. Yes. And I just said, thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm just so grateful. Every time I go through TSA, I'm grateful for Tulsa Gabbard. Anybody who takes on these jobs is a saint. I don't know why anybody wants to be the president of the United States.

It's still like- Well, it's now that I, you know, I'm talking to people that are wanting to change the operations, not just sort of be a figurehead over them or to make them just be a ceremonial figure, but actually run them, change them. It's a huge, huge, huge job they're taking on. And then the politics behind it. It's sort of overwhelming to be around it. It's not that easy to just fix things. There's politics behind it. There are people behind it. There's lobbies behind it. There's politics behind it. There are people behind it.

There's lobbies behind it. There's corruption behind it. There's all these things that we're finding out that's behind it. But now in these times, especially when you're under Trump's reign, it's like, okay, a little bit more dangerous. It just feels a little bit harder. I don't know why. It just feels overwhelming to me.

But Caleb, did you learn anything from our experience today? Did you, you're watching all those tapes and cutting them up, doing a great job. By the way, thank you to Emily Barsh for helping us set this up. Thank you to Susan for executing it. Put her action shot. And Rumble Studios for having us. Put her action shot up, Caleb, if you can.

Short notice. Thank you to Caleb for dealing with all this incredible tech problems. Thank you to the viewers and listeners. There's Susan in action. That's in the Indian treaty room. Yeah, there's everybody. All the different podcasts sort of set up there. I know, but we were all like that on our phones.

It was really weird. But yeah, the Indian treaty room, that is that. And we, the viewers and listeners, thank you. The Jack Prasavik interview, we apologize that the sound was so bad. Yeah, I wish that came out better. It sounded good so we went up with it and then all of a sudden it was bad. So what can we do?

It was very last minute. We didn't do a sound check well enough. The ability to go out and bring you real-time interviews, long-form interviews out in the natural habitat is an evolving technology. We can probably do it better if we ever have another invitation. But what we do with it now is the question, like, you know, we're trying to get, help the White House get messages out

that they are trying hard, you know, to help America. And, Caleb, thank you so much for putting up with the technical stuff all day and then for cutting it all. Thank you, Dylan. Thank you to Rumble Studios. We're very, very grateful for everyone's participation in what has been, I think, a worthwhile day.

Did you learn anything, Caleb, listening to all those interviews? You know, I didn't learn a huge amount, but I just left it with a lot of relief. I was just so relieved. I felt just watching, especially watching Caroline. Like, I feel represented. I feel like there's a voice there of someone

who is a young parent, who's hardworking and who's close to our age. And I feel represented by someone being there just in my same age group. Yeah, I haven't felt like that in a long time before. But she is a, I don't have a quite way of describing it, but she is a Trump acolyte. She is very much a fan of the administration

and the policies and the leadership. So what you, I mean, and she's all about it. I mean, she told me, I don't know if it came through in the interview, I think it was on the interview. She reads multiple papers every morning. She watches all the news outlets every morning. She studies up, they have a sort of a conference of what exactly policy issues are an issue

and being discussed. And then she goes out and faces the firing squad. And there was one more person that we didn't show the video of is the secretary of education. policy issues are an issue and being discussed. And then she goes out and faces the firing squad. And there was one more person that we didn't show the video of is the secretary of education. So Drew said that she was very intelligent and interesting. So we'll save that for the next show.

Secretary McMahon, she opened with, I've been tasked with doing away with my job. So, but the thing that I took away from her, aside from the fact she's an incredibly effective executive, which is clear from talking to her, but that she is willing to do the hard work with the Congress to get them to close the Department of Education

and to take the essential services for the students that are in need of what they provide over to HHS, because they're health issues primarily anyway. So that's where it should be. Okay, well. Well, next show, we'll show that. Very interesting day, very long day. We are exhausted.

Thank you, Susan. Thank you, Caleb. We appreciate you all being here. And Emily Barsh. And Emily Barsh for setting this all up and also booking the show today at the last minute. I know, I didn't know we were gonna do this like it just happened. And there's the Rumble banner up there. Don't forget to go to rumble.com slash dr. Drew a subscribe

There on our rumble channel and we will see you on Tuesday. Who is the guest Caleb? Do we have that to throw up there? Actually, we're not sure everything's up in the air now. So but we'll Post it. The next show is gonna be calling out with Susan in the air now. So, but we'll get all that stuff posted up. I'll post it. Okay. The next show is going to be calling out with Susan Pinsky on Wednesday. So tune in if you want to hear more about-

Because as we, Dr. McCullin and I were saying, we have a meeting with the wellness company next week. And we're going to get that pretty much all week. So it's a very, very, very busy time. And we apologize for the choppiness, but it's been kind of interesting. I'm glad we made the effort to do this. I think it was worth it. Do you have anything on the

rants there or on the restream that we should be addressing or talking to? Oh, everybody's chilling there. Wasn't there somebody that put up a chat, a super chat or whatever they call it? Yeah, we got a big one. And what did he want? It was hard for me to understand it. Go ahead, let's read it. So it says, Dr. D, hope you deep dive into life events experienced in a stream focused on those events,

e.g. how widespread did educated elites inciting young uni students, how you saw AIDS, etc. gold to younger people. See I couldn't understand it, but thank you, Fleet Lord Avatar. Do you understand that? Let's try, let's try. So he sort of wanted me to talk about my experience across time on- AIDS and-

AIDS. And how elites insight young university students and how you saw AIDS and et cetera. I'll tell you what I will do. I mean, really quickly, I will give him this answer. I did this on Viva's show too. I'll say it again here. I'm glad you understand that.

Which is I was in part of the ecology movement back in the seventies and that ecology movement, we were scientists and we were absolutely convinced. We had done the math and anyone that disagreed with us was a science denier. We didn't have that word, but that's what we were suggesting. We were going to run out of oil in 20 years.

So what petroleum products did to the environment didn't matter because we were out in 20 years. We needed to prepare for that. Two, acid rain was going to destroy agriculture, choke our rivers, algae blooms were going to end life in the non-salty waters, period, end for sure. Number three, famine, for sure famine. FYI, the reason that turned out to be

an incorrect calculation was adaptation and technological advances. You can argue with whether they were good or bad, but GMOs were what allowed us to prevent the famine. And then Ice Age, guaranteed, guaranteed Ice Age. Absolutely, anyone that disagreed with us was out of their mind and a denier, and we needed to be marginalized

because we had done the math, we had decided what was going to happen, and that was that, it begged no conversation. It was a massive movement. You can look at the front page of Newsweek or Time Magazine, coming Ice Ages, on the front page of national magazines, all the scientists agree. So now you'll excuse me if I'm skeptical

when all the scientists agree as on anything, particularly around something as complicated as climate and particularly something like energy, when there's all kinds of technological adaptations and advances that humans get into. So look, yes, there might be a problem, there might not be, but we should be able to discuss it and to disagree with it and to kick the tires.

Because when we were sure of it 50 years ago, and the science was good, I assure you, I was deep in it. We knew, we knew we were talking, we were convinced. We were wrong. And we could be wrong again. And being convinced and being a sign being convinced that everyone else's science scenario that doesn't agree with us does not mean

that we were right or correct or could predict the future. Be skeptical of everything. And certainly if COVID taught us nothing else and a Hunter Biden's laptop and Russia gate hoax and all these things. Don't believe anything in the news. Don't believe me. Check everything out for yourself.

Be skeptical. Think about things for long periods of time before you decide what is or is not true. Don't jump to any conclusions and don't be certain about anything. We'll leave it at that. Thank you all for joining us today. It's very funny.

Yeah, it's been a long day. I'm tired. We've been up since 430 Pacific time. We will see you, Susan's show, next Sunday. Yes, yes. Caleb, somebody asked if I have a Twitch channel for Calling Out. I used to, but I don't know if we go live on that anymore.

You might. I'll check on it. All right, we'll try next week on Wednesday. I think it's called Calling Out Show, right? And did I get that?, was there anything else? Put it on Dr. Drew's channel or something. My ex-channel or something? Or the Twitch? Or Twitch, yeah.

Was there anything else that that guy asked? I think he had a follow on. I'm sorry, did he ask another question? He had a Super Chat follow on. No, but I'm very grateful. Thanks for the Super Chat. Okay, we appreciate that. Oh yeah, that was a good one.

I'm glad you answered it. I hope that's the kind of thing he was talking about. I think that's what he was talking about. Me too. Is that, you know, there's a lot of things going on and just be circumspect, listen to things, collect your information from multiple sources, listen to the long form interviews,

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