Ask Dr. Drew - Loveline Hosts Reunite: “Psycho” Mike Catherwood LIVE + Yuval David on Ceuta Migrant Crisis & Comedian Francisco Ramos – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 654

Episode Date: August 14, 2026

Mike Catherwood cohosted Loveline from 2010-2016. He reunites with Dr. Drew LIVE to talk about their years on the iconic radio show, his history with addiction, and how far the recovery conversation has moved since they last shared a studio. CA Governor Gavin Newsom is on record saying ‘clean and sober’ was the biggest mistake this country ever made, as part of an argument for dropping sobriety requirements at homeless shelters. Meanwhile young Americans are walking away from alcohol on their own: Gallup’s 2025 survey found 50 percent of adults under 35 say they drink, down from 59 percent two years earlier, with the overall US rate at 54 percent, the lowest Gallup has recorded in nine decades. Emmy Award-winning journalist Yuval David discusses the Ceuta migrant crisis after Spain’s North African enclave was overwhelmed when tens of thousands of migrants crossed from Morocco in a matter of days. Comedian Francisco Ramos speaks about his new special Still Learning, filmed at The Triad Theater in New York City. Yuval David is an Emmy Award-winning journalist, news commentator, and strategic political advisor working across public diplomacy, human rights, and strategic communications. Follow at https://yuvaldavid.com Mike Catherwood is known as the “best looking and most well-equipped radio and TV personality” in the world. He cohosted Loveline with Dr. Drew from 2010–2016 and now hosts the Mikey Likes You podcast. Follow at https://instagram.com/mikecatherwood/ Francisco Ramos is a stand-up comedian who has performed in English, Spanish, and every room in between, including a Top 10 finish on Last Comic Standing. His new special, “Still Learning,” filmed live at The Triad Theater in New York City and produced by Super Nice Guys, digs into marriage, therapy, cultural collisions, and growth. 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Well, I'm getting together with my old co-host from Loveline Mike Catherwood today. We're going to talk about addiction recovery and things that have changed since we last shared the studio together. Talk a little homeless and about how we are not. Governor Newsom says that sobriety and 12-step is the greatest mistake we ever made in this country. Oh, my God. Listen, drinking is low in young adults. However, though, it's the lowest in over 90 years. You can follow Mike on Instagram at.

Mike Catherwood. And then, in addition to Mike, I'm speaking to comedian Francisco Ramos, who finished the top 10 of last comic standing, filmed a new special, still learning at the triad theater in New York, and follow him on Instagram at F. Ramos Comedy. And first stop, Yuval David, he's Emmy Award-winning journalist, political advisor, talking about Thauta, I think that's how you pronounce it, which is that Spanish town that's been overrun by immigrants in the northern coast of Africa. 60,000 immigrants came in through their border, in a matter of just a couple of days. And Yuval says it is not just a migrant crisis,

it is Europe failing sovereignty, particularly sovereignty of its own people. Find Yuval on X, UvA-L David, Yuval David, and back with him right after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this right. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction.

Fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for a I say, where the hell you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real.

We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time, educate adolescents, and to prevent, and to treat. You have trouble, you can't stop, and you want to help stop it. I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. Yuval David is an Emmy Award-winning journalist, a news commentator, political advisor,

working across public policy, human rights, strategic communications. You can follow him at Yuvaldavid.com. Also, Yuval David on X and Yuval underscore David on Instagram. Youvall, welcome. Thank you for being here. Thank you so much for having me on your show. It's an absolute honor.

I've been listening to you and following you for, gosh, for longer than I can remember. You're brilliant. Well, that's very kind of you to say. I've been doing this stuff for a long time. That's for sure. But, you know, I have a question before we talk about what went down there. I have a historical question because I'm guessing there's something unique about Thauta in terms of its history and geography. It's not on the Iberian Peninsula. And I didn't

know Spain had any territory essentially in Morocco and northern Africa. Has that been a point of contention historically? Is it an historical sort of oddity that they ended up with that territory? Is there anything special about that land, I guess is what I'm asking? I mean, the land is very special, obviously. It's been a Spanish territory for a long time, and it's been under Spanish sovereignty. Yes, it's part of the African continent, but it is part of Spain. It's been governed by Spain, and it follows Spanish law. What we saw is the fact that, well, Spanish law changed, and that's what affected this whole situation. I mean, I think that people who focus on on the history of Suita, Portugal took

Souta in, I believe, the 1400s. And then Spain's claim was formalized somewhere in the mid-1600s. I forget the name of the treaty. And Morocco did not exist as a state until 1956. So that means that Spanish sovereignty predates the Moroccan state by 540 years. The timeline is important to mention there. So when people are calling it occupied territory, people who are against Spain or against non-Muslims being in the region, need to recognize that Spain had sovereignty of the Sautan of that region much before Morocco was even declared a state. Okay. And in this country, when we see people rushing through the border like that, we immediately sort of, what rings in our memory is NGOs organizing these things.

and bringing people up and showing them through. Is there anything like that behind this? Well, you know, it's so important to first talk about migration, legal migration, and illegal migration crossing are two very different conversations. Collapsing them into one is how the debate gets rigged before it even starts, which is what we experience here in the United States. For example, Morocco's own interior minister or interior ministry spokesperson mentions that the surge was fueled by misleading information, which was spread on social media,

which created this false impression that the border was open. So in other words, people were drawn by a rumor of amnesty, not a documented asylum claim. So, for example, I support legal migration. What I oppose is the trick where objecting to an illegal rumor-fueled border rush gets treated as objecting to migration itself. Those are not the same sentence. Right. Right. I find it bizarre that people do that. And yes, there could be really serious problems with immigration policy that need to be solved to make immigration better for immigrants, but that does not in any way justify or isn't a nod towards illegal immigration. I don't understand the logic of illegal. Is it in this country, there are people admitting that one of the reasons they did it was to get a voter base. is actually people now saying they did that. What's the logic of having a small town overrun? It's a what's a town of 80,000 being overrun by 80,000 or something?

Well, when you look at nefarious actors who are influencing those who will take the action, the nefarious actors have a way to occupy territory, to take over regions, to change governments, to change a population. We've seen that throughout the Arab and Muslim conquests over, many hundreds of years, even over the last 100 years. So if you think about it from that perspective, all of these people, the massive tens of thousands of people who illegally crossed the border by land and by water, they were the useful idiots who were manipulated by those who wanted to change the face of the region. And what has happened to that little town as a result of all

this? Well, I mean, the estimates, depending on who's counting, range from, I believe, 49,000 to as high as 72,000 who crossed into Ceuta. And by the way, we pronounce it here, Seuta in Spain, Ceuta with the Spanish Thuf. So that's the amount of people who crossed in, in a matter of days. We know that anywhere from 57 dead, according to some reporting, and other reporting show as many as 88 people dead in their attempts to cross the border. The fact that it's been so hard to actually document how many people crossed shows what a chaotic situation this is. So when a border works, people don't drown reaching it. Those deaths in the water aren't a side effect of border enforcement. There are a price of its absence. This is because Spain failed in its policy. Souta didn't

have a migration crisis. It had a sovereignty failure. So people who call it a crisis is how people avoid saying who let this actually happen. And then that's my next question. How did it was I believe law change, a prime minister that sort of intacitly allowed this and who is sort of congratulating himself for it or something. He feels it seems like he does not seem the least bit upset by this. And you know, you ask that question in a loaded manner, and I totally agree with you because it doesn't make sense for anybody who actually wants to protect his country. So Ceuta, a city that used to have 85,000 residents nearly doubled in population within days. That's what happens anywhere when a border stops functioning as a border. So this is a situation of rule of law versus no law, a government that builds a legal loophole into its own.

border can't then act surprised when tens of thousands people, tens of thousands of people walk or swim through it. But what does the prime minister say now? He's not been too, I've not heard him say anything sane. Am I just not listening? I mean, I haven't heard him say anything sane because obviously he's more on the left side of things. And I say this as somebody who used to be progressive. I used to be progressive. I used to be a Democrat. I used to be woke, but now I'm awake. And the reason I can say that he doesn't say anything sane is because how is he

protecting his own nation? When liberalism allows for the demise of one's own national culture and national law, then isn't that insane? How do the Spaniards feel generally? Are they supportive of all this? You see many different things happening in Spain. We are seeing a massive rise of the far left, just as what we're experiencing in the United States. The people who have suffered and struggled so much that they've adopted the victimhood narrative of the progressive movements, of the Antifa-like movements, and they're saying, well, maybe we need to embrace socialism.

We also see that the Islamist agenda has been so strong and so impactful in terms of not just influencing and manipulating, but co-opting the different social justice movements that they've manipulated the Spanish population. Now, this is also on the African continent. It's not within Spain, but we're within the mainland Spain, that is. Yet we're also seeing people who are acknowledging and excusing the Islamist agenda within the entire country of Spain. So for me, that's very concerning because I wonder where the Spanish heritage is going to go. Now, in contrast, we're also seeing an uprising of the far right, of Spanish Catholics, of people who are saying and recognizing that this is an attack on their heritage, on their religion, and on their faith. because guess what? The Islamist agenda and the migrants who came through are yelling Allah Huacbar and the god, the horrendous stories that most people aren't even covering, like the incredible and terrible amounts of rapes that are happening right now in Ceuta.

Spanish people are afraid of that. So Sharia law does not protect women's rights, does not protect Catholicism or Christianity, does not protect freedom of religion, let alone LGBT rights or any of the other thing. So we're going to see what is happening. Maybe it's some sort of test to see what can happen in other countries around Europe. Well, I went watching the French pretty carefully, and the RN is now saying that, you know, what is this country? What is the country? What is being French? What does it mean? And they're saying it's never been about race. It's maybe been about language, but really what it's been about as a common culture. And unless everybody embraces the culture of French, we can't have France. Is there anything like that being discussed in Spain?

I wish. I think that they're still just focusing on the massive crisis that's happening. I'm not seeing enough speech about maintaining the borders and maintaining a rule of law. And that's because the government is so heavily manipulated by those who are able to fund and donate to different government agencies and different government movements. And we're seen money pouring in from countries like Turkey, like Qatar, that are influencing what's happening in Spain. So I very much think that Europe is quite a lost cause. You think it's happening here too? Well, I, oh yeah, this kind of thing, but I mean, not exactly the same forces at work, but stuff like this. And we don't even know, we haven't even uncovered yet

the extent to which China or Russia might be sort of involved with some of these things. But, but I'm wondering why the British have been so quiet about this. I mean, they are very protective and proud of Gibraltar, which is tiny and is right across the canal there. And there, I would think they would be in significant jeopardy. Why aren't they talking about it? Well, I mean, I think we very much have seen many elements of the former British Empire having fallen. And even when you go to London and you notice areas that used to be very British that

maintained some form of British culture, even when it blended with Pakistani culture and still maintained British culture, well, now it's very much of a different culture that we're seeing occupying and taking over the UK. So if that's something that's influencing it, possibly. Again, what we're seeing is a massive polarization between the left and the right, becoming the far left and the far right, and that's exactly what we're seeing in the UK, those who are apologists for Muslim and Arab conquests and those who allow it. Now, that's why I think it's important to, again, and I speak as a proud American, to look at how this can represent what we're speaking about here in the U.S. I mean, we heard President Trump and Stephen Miller using suit explicitly as a

warning of what unenforced borders produce, clear law, an enforced border, and enforced border, agencies like ICE doing enforcement work are the baseline mechanics of a sovereign nation protecting its citizens it's not cruelty it's maintaining a rule of law so i really hope that here in the us we're looking at this as a warning sign yeah yeah and you mentioned that social media is what promoted the uh the young men to come across what what what you know what platform that was being uh uh sort of played out in it's said to have been have been across multiple different platforms from Telegram, of course, Instagram and Facebook and even X. I know that Telegram is a way that many of these messages were shared to different populations in Morocco.

And then finally, you went from Woke to Awakened. What happened? I'm always so curious about that move. What happened to you? What happened to me? You know what? I used to give this long answer, but now I'm going to give you the short answer. it's that I'm not stupid. I couldn't be part...

Give me a long answer. I'll give you the long answer. I'll give you the long answer. I couldn't be part of a movement that was breaking away from the values that it claimed to stand up for. I'm gay. I'm American.

I'm also an Israeli citizen. I'm Jewish. I'm a free speech activist. I believe in progress. I believe in inclusion and acceptance. But the movements that claim to be about the most amount of acceptance and tolerance ended up becoming

the most intolerant and exclusionary of anybody who wasn't exactly like them. Years ago, while I was still a Democrat, was still progressive. I would advocate for religious LGBT people and conservative LGBT people and Republican LGBT people, even though I wasn't part of those groups, but I said they have a seat at the table. And people said, oh, no, they shouldn't march with us. They shouldn't be part of pride. And I said, well, that's against what we're standing for.

And it just got to a point where I couldn't stand up with these people anymore and said, not part of these movements. And then I shifted. Yeah. Yeah, the intolerance, the name of tolerance is baked into the cake. The, the Riger Rousseau, I mean, he said it, and he's the founding father of all this. He said it. You have to, you have to force people to be free. That was his, that was his construct. You have to force them to be free, and I'm going to tell you what free is. Okay. That's perfect logic, Mr. Rousseau. Jean-Jacques, well done. Exactly. I mean, look, I'm gay. I'm old-school, gay. I'm not queer. I don't, I, people would say, oh, you're a queer journalist and a queer political. And I was like, no, I'm, I'm just old school gay. People kept adding letters to the LGBTQIA2s plus. It's funny that. Explain what, you're right. Because some people don't understand that.

To understand what old school gay is. But we know, I don't know. But some people don't understand what the difference is. Well, he's like, you know what I think many queer people don't understand what it means as well. You know, when you ask them to define it. Old school gay. Is that I like men? That's it. Yeah, you like men and that's that. And the men that, but but there's a layer to it, which is that the generation that came before you really was put upon in a horrible way. It had to fight their way out. And we all endorsed that, you know.

It's like, yes, good. They did that. We salute them. But that they didn't fight a fight for every, all kinds of other things. Exactly. the movement fought for our rights. We fought for gay marriage. We fought for spousal, you know, rights. We fought to be normal parts of society. But then this LGBT movement turned into the LGBT movement, turned into LGBTQ, LGBTQIA2S plus movement now, where people started to treat us as

unicorns. And I would say, no. You were too successful. You were too successful. People started co-opting your movement. Yeah. They started co-opting your movement. That's, that's, I think. think what happened. I mean, that's fine. And it became a progressive movement. I understand why people would do that, but it's not fair. It's not okay. And then, and then wait, I had one more thing. Oh, yeah. I don't know if you saw the dust up in the WNBA about Cunningham being, well, not even the NBA players doing their whole thing. But the flagrant foul where the woman was ejected from

the game and then she ended up back in the locker room tweeting about it being white privilege. When it was, she clobbered Chris Cunningham. I think that's her name. What's her first name? Help me. Hey, Evad.

The coach, what is it? Caleb? Sophie Cunningham. Sophie Cunningham. The coach, we should pull the video out. The coach got up there and went. She started screaming at the press going, kindness will prevail. Kindness is what's going to win this.

F all of you. And she stormed off. I'm like, that's it. There it is. That's what people are tired of. If you're going to be kind, be kind. But don't lecture me about kindness and then tell me to fuck off. That is totally, it was the whole problem in a nutshell in my mind.

It's forcing you to be tolerant, intolerance, the name of tolerance. forcing you to be free, all that illogical nonsense. Yeah. Some people's actions or bad actions are allowed, but other people's similar actions or bad actions are not allowed. As an old school gay, as we just addressed, I fought to be treated like every other person in America. And you know what?

We achieved those rights. Oh, here's a statistic I love sharing, by the way. The Trump administration has the most amount of over. openly gay, lesbian, and by people who are part of the administration, more than any other administration in the history of this country. When LGBT people hear this who try to vilify the entire administration, they're like, well, it does not compute. You know, they turn into a robot with smoke coming out of its ears. We are part of every other element of society. So the fact that the LGBT movement is trying to treat us as better than or more special than, I think that's against what we're.

we fought for. So same thing with the story that you mentioned when, you know, the Cunningham story. So when she, Cunningham was clothed lined by God, what, yeah, I forget the name, Carrington. Right? Her name sounds like, yeah, yeah. You know, so there's any injection. She was ejected from the game, as she should be because she broke the rules. Rules are rules. Yeah. Yeah. All right, my friend, good to talk to you. Thank you for joining us. And hopefully we'll get updates from on many other topics in the future. Thank you so much. Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me on. It's an absolute honor. Cheers. All right. Speaking of Loveline, Mike Catherwood, my host from I think 2010 to 2016,

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people who run GLP1s, it's a good way to help maintain your muscle metabolism. That's one of the things I like this product for. You know, if you saw the pictures of, gosh, what's her name? I'm blanking her name.

It's one girl that was doing an interview with Esquire recently. Gianna something. I can't remember. name. And she looked like malnourished. And one of the things I'm thinking when people start GLP-1s is they really have to discuss with their doctor how to maintain your muscle mass because that is one of these side effects that is going unaddressed. So you think this would help? Yeah. This product. Yes, yes. There's no doubt about it. Well, here you go. So all right. You heard it here first. We'll discuss that. Another thing is with my friend Mike Catherwood. He is known as, quote,

the best looking and most well-equipped radio and TV personality in the world. Imagine that. You can follow him on his podcast, which is Mikey likes you. Mike Catherwood on X. The book is a Meathead's Guide to Salvation. Meathead Salvation. Dot my Shopify.com. And Mike Catherwood, I said on X, he's just on Instagram.

I at Mike Catherwood on Instagram. Right, Mike? That's the best place to find me. Yeah, that's the best place to find me because you get everything satellites to my Instagram. So how are you? I'm good. How are you, dude? I'm good.

How's the, how's the, what used to be a baby? She must be a teenager now. I'm coming, yeah, I'm coming back into our neck of the woods this weekend with her. She's, uh, she's 12 and she's my height and it's weird. I mean, but you just, you just married to an other, I mean, you're, you're, the dog. or the female of your triplets. And that's got to be so strange. And Douglass has two kids.

Well, that's fucking insane. Like, that's genuinely insane. It's like I still see it's different too, right? When you, it's like if your buddy has a dog, you know, he sees it every day. But if you go six months else, you're like, holy, your dog's an old dog. But like, I still relate to your sons, especially as like aspiring young men, like teenagers that are interested in becoming good young men. And like to the idea that he has two kids is fucking bananas, you know.

That's why I'm adamant. So one of the things I want to talk to you about was, do you see Gavin Newson's comments about how the notion of clean and sober and sobriety was, you know, he, do we have the actual clip, Caleb? He said something. I remember at the time you don't have it. All right. I don't have the clip, but I have a news article that was about what he was saying.

all right and do we have the quote up there bunny chas yeah there it is new some clean and sober is the biggest damn mistake the country ever made when he said that old claim like to me i thought to myself oh he's going to kill people this is this is going to hurt this is going to kill a bunch of people who've used that as a reason not to go and seek sobriety i'm not i'm not by nature i love American government and politics. I'm quite interested, but I'm not by nature of a partisan fellow. And so I want to make it very clear.

I'm not saying any of this to kind of rally for one team or another, but this is this, you know, the governor of what could arguably be the most powerful state in the country to say clean and sober is a mistake. It's just playing into what has happened. over the last, I don't know, I would say about 20, since the millennium, where you see people looking to kind of empower the government to make people more reliant upon it. Like the idea that you don't, confrontation to what bothers you or what struggles you may have in life, that's not, that's insane.

You need medication. You need to have your glass of wine before, when you, after, you need to have your couple beers after dinner. You need the this is you deserve this. This is what you need. Relax. Don't exercise. You need JLP ones. Like why diet and exercise? Why confront these emotional or or significant spiritual issues you may be having? Get wasted. It's completely nonsensical, but it's very effective. Or. Or. Let us give you the rigs. Let us give you the rigs. We'll even give you the drugs if you need it, you know, to. Or pay for. rehab. Let the government pay for medical care if you're not going to let people get free help at

AA. Well, they're, no. If they're going to socialize medicine, they might as well help people. Well, here's where, and I feel very bad for Dr. Drew. I love to pick on him, but this is one area where I, like, whether I'm with Drew or if I'm out in public and I'm not with Drew, where I always go, like you got to understand. Dr. Drew is so limited from being an actual doctor. He has a certain criteria, you know, Hippocratic oath and things, and he has regulations that he must live in because he is serving the public as a medical professional. But the reality is, and like I can say it, and I know that other medical professionals who know what they're talking about will support me on this. When we're talking about homeless drug addicts, when we're talking about people with severe mental

illness or addiction or both, which is the lion's share of people that you see walking around, like housing and community support. It doesn't mean fuck all. I grew up in one of the more posh, more with a loving, supportive family. Okay. And if I did not have that, if I didn't get raised in a certain zip code with parents that are still together to the day, giving me every luxury that could possibly happen when it came to confronting my drug addiction, I would be on the street eating my feces telling you that I'm Jesus.

It's not a joke. I spent the entirety of my adult life in Venice Beach, California, which I'll take the fucking Pepsi challenge, is up there with the biggest homeless problems in the country. I mean, maybe Berkeley or certain parts of New York City. But Venice Beach, California is insane. And I'm also in the recovery community for now 25 years. and you look at, I saw it with my own eyes. I'd be sitting down, getting ready to do the 12-step meetings and stuff,

and there'd be other guys and gals there, and we'd be talking, and then you get to that one guy, and he's like, the CIA's following me with their drones, and they know that I'm actually reincarnated body of Magellan, and you're like, oh, this guy's fucking crazy, and we're going to try to deal with him like you're dealing with me. Like, nah, we need to put him in a medical facility, and along with others like him,

and I'm not saying this, from calcium. I'm seeing this out of concern. There's no other solution. These people need to be forced into a position where they can get serious, ongoing medical care. You can't do it with this casual laissez-faire attitude of like, hey, whatever man, let them live their life. That's what they want to do. It's like, nah, we're not talking about a guy who just lost his job, but a single mom who's living in her car right now to get herself back on our feet. Me and I would imagine most, you know, sober taxpayers are like, yeah, that's what my tax money should be going to. Help that lady get back on her feet.

Help that dude get back in. We're talking about people who they stand no chance of getting into the circle of normal society. They're really that. That's how bad it. If it was, I'm ranting a little bit, but I'm very serious about it. It means a lot to me. If I wasn't given the blessings that I had by being born where I was born into the family that I was in, I would absolutely be dead or living on the streets.

This isn't open for debate. People don't understand what's like, I've been drinking a little too much lately. I need to back off. No, when you're a serious addict and you don't have a team of people helping you, you're fucked, you're fucked.

And that goes for homeless people and mentally ill people. And that goes for all these celebrities. My heart breaks for them. I now can use her name openly. because she's kind of been open about it herself. But I remember in like the 2005 to 2007 era, I would be going on the radio, talking to Kevin a beating, talking to you, whatever,

and I would see what would be happening with Lindsay Lohan. And I would say, I'd be, sometimes, you know, getting emotional. And I'd be like, dude, you guys understand. Like, I had loving family and an insane panel of friends who were like doing everything they could to help me. And it was fucking impossible to get off drugs. How is she? What chance does she have?

Like, you guys are putting her on TMZ every second. People are talking shit. You know, so that's my whole. And yet she made it. And she did. The miracles happened. But my point is like, yeah. You look at me, the Samarino kid with like parents that you know what like did everything.

Roe checks sent me to the best facilities. And it was fucking impossible. And you expect this guy on in Skid Row. It was going to be like, no more heroin for me. No more oxies. I'm good. Right. Well, here are three things that will not help those people at all.

Housing, job, social worker. And those are the only three things we provide them. And money. Yeah, money won't help either. But we expect social workers to essentially run hospitals, open-air hospitals. They are not trained to do that. It's crazy. Imagine a social worker.

Imagine you were dealing with your social worker back in your met. days. Can you imagine you take them apart? I would be I was always at least the one thing, the one area that I was very honest in during my time of abuse because I was not honest in any way. The one area was very honest in was my actual use and I would be talking to these counselors or I talking to these like, you know, big brother programs, someone, you know, the high school would hook you over that. I'd be like, listen, I know you're a good person and the fact that you took time every day to do this. As soon as we're done, here. I'm going to go good high. Let's just be clear. I'll give you the respect to let you do

your talk, but I'm going to go score trucks as soon as I can get a couple bucks. Yeah, and that's the nature of the thing. I know if you saw Brad Pitt, who apparently been really good in the program for a while, decided he's going to start drinking again. So both of us know how that's going to go. Yeah, I remember very distinctly. I had a lot of relapses, but one that sticks in my head, I remember so clearly, I was clean for a good amount of time and young. I was 20, 21 years old, 2021, somewhere in that ballpark. I've been clean close to a year. And I went to a Dodger game, and I sat through the whole Dodger game of my buddies and didn't have anything to drink.

And then we went to get sushi after. And I was just sitting there. It was like, I can have a beer. as long as I'm not smoking pipes, like as long as I'm not snorting anything. I'm good. And in like a week, I was trouncing around alleys in South L.A.

looking for rocks. Like, you know, weak. I'm not exactly. And it was like, that's how. And you people out there that are listening,

they're like, yeah, I like to, I work hard all day. I'm an adult. I want to have some beers when I get home. I was like, it's not like that.

It's poison for people like me. And you, you're done. It's like you can't, I cannot process. I can't tolerate it. It's like the difference between someone who's like, you know, I put on a couple pounds. I took on a new job or I had another kid and things have gotten crazy and I've just really

let myself go, it's time for me to tighten that up. It's the difference between that person and my 600 pound life where it's like food. It doesn't affect them. Like they cannot stop. You need a serious medical intervention. And my heart goes out to Brad Pitt because I agree he has been up, you know, if he's decided to drink at Godspeed, but he'd been a real, really solid guy in the kind of recovery community and represented himself.

Yeah. You know, people have to prove it to themselves, right? I mean, he'll prove it and we'll watch it and that he'll come back and go, okay, well, that didn't work. Susan, you wanted to ask Mike some questions, I think? Oh, yeah. Oh, I thought. You said, you're mostly on.

I was in a recovery environment. I try not to talk too much in detail of, you know, but I was in an environment with recovery people the other day. And they were asking me how long I've been clean. And I was like, it's going to be 25 years. And they said, wow, you were really young. It was amazing. Thank you.

They said, you know, that's amazing. You were so young. And I said, I got to be honest, I think it was easier to do it then because if I was Brad Pitt and I had millions of dollars and people, yes men in my life, I don't think I would stop. The reason I was so motivated was because I couldn't. fronted an end of the road. It was like, okay, where do I go from here? I have no money. I have no jobs, no prospect, no friends, no family. And I have my drugs and my alcohol. Let's at least give it a crack. If I had some money in the bank, if I had some level of comfort, if there was padding on my rock bottom, I don't think I would have done it, you know, so my heart goes out to Bradford.

My rock bottom. That's good. Yeah. And now, padding on the rock bottom. And now there's Zoom meetings at things, the threshold to people coming in should be much lower. People should take advantage of these free services that help people stay sober. Yeah, the community. How many times a week do you go to a meeting? It really does vary. My stupid hippie wife bought a farm. And I have so many animals and I have a child and I don't have any stability with my professional life. So it varies greatly upon how I can fix the puzzle pieces. But it can be anywhere from two days. three and sometimes it's just, you know, it's like a couple of times in life, but in the beginning, it was a couple of a day, you know, for a good amount of time, you know.

For a couple, several years, seem to me you were doing that. Up to, yeah, probably about, yeah, probably about. Seems to be okay. But you know what? And then since we. Robin Williams, and I, again, I don't want to breach any enemy, but these people are very famous and they've now passed. So I was like to point this out.

It seems to be working. Yeah, it does. Life is great. And I don't really have a lot of urges or anything like that. Robin Williams was sober a long time. And Philip Seymour Hoffman was sober a good amount of time. And DJ AM was my idol. And they're all fucking dead.

So I can't sit here and be like comfortable. Like, oh, it's been a while. I'm doing great, you know? Yeah, yeah. You can't give up or say, oh, it works. Yeah. Robin, maybe not so much. But I don't know. I'm hearing maybe there was something involved there.

Also, as you get older. it escalates. So like if you start it again, you might go faster once your kid moves out or you don't have to take care of a farm or you're, you know, it just. The reality is just like when you're when you're a young man, and I would assume my young women as well, you assume your problems are bigger than they are. And when you're old, I'm getting into the area where I could legitimately come to a hold, you, you minimize how big your problems really are. And I feel like if I was using and drinking, I would, I would fucking go to redline real quick, you know, because I would underestimate how much. Somebody asks, what is the difference between somebody who can just, you know, a kid who wants to party and an addict? Well, family history is one thing. If you have a family history of alcoholism or addiction and you have consequences, then you can expect progression and that you have the genetic potential. how much of a genetic burden

sort of varies first to person. Go ahead, Mike. Here's the one kind of, because a lot of this is pretty nuanced science, Drew, you know as well as anyone pretty much in the world. But the one thing that I've noticed and when I talk to guys like myself versus like college kids that I do jiu-jitsu with

that are UT and stuff that are like, they've been parting a little too much. The difference is, is that when I, one of the biggest misconceptions people have of drug addicts, alcoholics, and like severe, severely addicted people is that they think that they like it. And the difference between people like me and people who are just need to taper off a little bit is that you want to quit with every fiber of your and you fucking can't. There was years before I finally got clean where I was like, I do anything to not drink or use today. I would do, I know

But there are also years where it worked. You did like it to begin with. It works. And then addictions about not be able to stop. It wasn't for the fact that it was super fun. 98, 99 was awesome. Right. Right. Somebody said they won cake tickets from you.

Well, at some time ago, probably the morning show. Isn't that funny? I would imagine a good amount of time ago. Do we have time to have Mike tell the story of when he was in Paris and he was locked? Pooh-pooh. Paris Pupoo story? That's her favorite. That was kind of a bottom, right?

That wasn't his bottom. No, no. In fact, that was one of those times where it probably perpetuated the use because I ended up being fine. And probably, I mean, unless I don't remember being butt raped, everything seemed pretty awesome. That one, he had a three-day blackout with some girl that he introduced himself to that he'd been hanging with for three days. No, no, no, no.

That was one of my favorite. That was New Year's Eve 2000 to 2001. It had already gotten dark by that point. But what Drew's talking about is I literally had, and I'm getting this secondhand because I don't remember. I don't remember a thing. But I spent a couple days with this girl, like going on dates, holding hands. Clearly, I'm sure I would imagine being intimate. And then I came down to the buffet at a hotel with like my buddies one morning in,

in Vegas and I'm going around the table. I was like, hey, what's up? Hey, what's it? And then introduced myself and then I introduced myself there. I was like, hi, I'm like, nice to meet you. And she looked at me with this horror that I'll never, I mean, the look on her face and I looked around like, what, what did I do?

And it kind of sunk in. I didn't need anybody to tell me. I was like, oh, no, I've, I've met her before. And little did I know. Not only I met her, I've been like romancing her for a long time, you know? But that's stimulants too. That's the thing is like, I was never, I was never, a dope guy. I was a stimulant guy. So I'd go days where my body would just keep going, even though I'd

be in a full blackout from drinking bottles and bottles of whiskey. But my, my body would keep going, like Scarface at the end of Scarface, when he's just taking bullets and cocaine keeps him moving. That's Mike. So lastly, before I let you go, the health and fitness world has changed sort of dramatically since we last year together. We're both interested in that stuff, particularly as a result of GLP wants. what do you do with that landscape? I obviously know it's a good medication, has real utility, but the kind of excessive,

reminds me of the way my profession dealt with the opioids. Oh, nobody should ever have pain. Again, no pain. Here, here's 50 Vicodin, go. And now we're doing the same thing to the GLP-1. Oh, you're four pounds overweight

and you're no problem. Here we go. What do you tell people and how do we get people to maintain their muscle mass if they're on these things? That's the biggest problem. Anybody who looks in the mirror and is unhappy with what they see and wants to change that, I am by no means saying drugs are off the table. Kestosterone replacement therapy, hormone replacement therapy for women can be vital

for especially women of a certain age. Drugs play a role. Drugs were designed for a reason because they work. it all way. Any chemical, when you're talking about changing your physique, changing the way you perform and feel, the chemicals have to be the bottom of the list of things you turn to. The only time I ever encourage people to use any drug, whether it be a hormone, whether it be a peptide, whether it be any type of stimulant based, fat loss, anything. I say, go months of getting better sleep, training, dieting, getting your habits together. then let's assess and if things still aren't meeting, you know, the pieces aren't fitting, then we can look to a chemical to help the pieces kind of come together. But the fact that people turn, I think the analogy of opiates is if you get shot in the stomach in World War I, you better believe I want to go ahead and get all the morphine you can to kind

of keep things going. But people are like breaking their finger or like, I've got some low back pain and now you know you're taking 16 Viking in a day. It's like, what the fuck are we doing? And the same thing goes with like, you see female celebrities who were thin to begin with. And they're like, why? Yeah. These drugs, these GOP ones have been fantastic.

It's like, what the fuck are we? No, that has to be for someone who has serious food addiction and like serious problems with tapering off. Zero control of their appetite. And so, whether you're, whether you're the rock or whether you're someone who's never exercise and has, is really unhappy with how you look, it's all, it's never, like, there's discomfort. You go, I want to eat this, but I know I'm going to eat that. I want to eat this amount, but I'm going to eat this amount. That is going to happen. So to try to completely bypass that experience is really, really irresponsible. That's the way I look at it.

Outside of that, there's J.O.P. ones that are great drugs for serving their purpose. I agree with you. So where can people find you? Where do you want them to go? I think at Mike Catherwood on Instagram is always the best. place we go. It's the only place I put me effort into. And then from there, you can see whatever the hell it's going on with me, you know. How about the meathead?

Close it out with Rudy. With Rudy? I can go. Oh, is Rudy here? I can go find him. All right, a few minutes of Rudy here. Real quick. So Rudy is Mike's, I think, I forget the relationship with Mike. I think he's his cousin. And Rudy and I have a

long relationship together. We've haven't seen each other quite a while and it'd be good to see old Rudy and I saw him with it's I'm blank in the girl's name on your mom's house

there's Rudy Lauren No no not Christina he was with What is it? Lauren Lauren Yeah

Yeah and Rudy was having a good time with her Are they Are they looking at you for a show over there I always told them they should And things are looking up for in Rudy's life

when it comes to work. It was all. It was all. Hey, Rudy, are you, are you being possibly going to get a show over at your mom's house? Is that? No? You had a good time with my right.

That fucking puto, my cousin, my prima was like, hey, I'm going to see this this Hina. And I'm like, you're talking about Mike. Yeah, I get fucking my faggy cousin and he's like, hey, I'm going to go see this hyna, I'm on do her show.

And I was out here in Texas visiting, you know, like I'm still here. You know, I haven't left. Oh, yeah. And then I was like, let me see a picture. Like, what's this? What's up with this hyna? And I was like, oh, damn, I saw her titties. And I'm like, you take me with

you and let me get on the show. And he's like, I can't make no promises, but that's what happened, you know? So, and then of course, she's addicted to me. She wants my cinnamon, you know, grass-fed people. Of course. Of course. You know, that's how women are. How does sad girl feel about that, your behavior there?

If I'm looking at it, logically, probably she's very fat. That's her. Mostly how she feels about it, you know. But you know, that's neither here nor there. It's not hassle. Don't hassle me with details like my wife or something. Well, she sells one leg, right? That's true. Because I, before Pinch, GLP 1, I used what I knew. when it came to losing weight quickly, and that's methamphetamine. So I would sprinkle it in her breakfast or her chata, whatever the fuck. She was the orange julius.

Whenever she wasn't looking, I put it in there. Because I just wanted, I would see how much pain she was in with her weight. And so she lost 143 pounds, which is amazing. But she also thought there were bugs in her leg. And so she had to have it removed. And she has a nice, like a pirate. She cut it off herself? She did, which was, you know, that was a bit of a burden for me.

Luckily, I knew tourniquets and shit like that. You know, I used a bandana and like a dodger blanket. And I saved it. I saved her life, but she has no leg, which is, you know, when it comes to sex like this, I get, look, look at my pelvis. I can get more access because there's only one leg, you know, so I just kind of like lean in. I can get the way. Yeah. No, it doesn't get it.

Right. Impressive. Yes. And then you've talked about the methamphetamine in her scrambled eggs for quite some time. She caught on to the fact that that's why she became delusional about there being bugs in her legs. Not so apt because she's like, I was a pretty reasonable person, which she was. You know what I'm saying? Like she was pretty pretty together.

Good mother, good. She all had a great job and shit. And then she went bonkers, you know, cut her leg up. And then I was like, all right, let me fill you in on what really, what really happened. I put Ascante in your food secretly. And she was very upset. She fucked me up with a chancla immediately. But we talked it over.

And she's like, I could see you were looking. It was more for my, my well-being. You were looking out for me. Because I would see her crying looking in the mirror and shit. And I would tell her, I would lie. But I would tell her, I'm like, no, you're still beautiful as the day I met you. her fucking ponsa flopping over her her 5-0-1s and but she was crying and she was hurting and you know are you excuse me are you still into redherom music or something

yeah i saw that any he's still enjoying ranchero music in in texas can you get that there dog is sick dog you know what i'm saying you get you hear the they Hano music and so and a lot of bottles are the young fools now they're crazy they mix like hip hop with the with the mariachi ranchero classic you know Mexican music sounds dope I'm into that but I mean look I'm an old man I'm not gonna lie you know I know I still have my honey glaze I look beautiful but I'm old man I like what I like I like all these slow jams shit like that you know and Rudy I got to go but you have your own website too right you have an Instagram Oh, I'm at Kulo breaker.

Kulo breaker on Instagram. I'm much better than my pinche, my Bantu-ass cousin. I give life advice and put up pictures of me and my animals and my, what's going on in my life. You know, and I wax poetic about like social issues and politics, shit like that. And you know how it is for. Like, it's just... Rudy's like Uncle Cliff for us. He's a very, he comes from a certain cultural position and he's full of wisdom.

I don't know. Uncle Cliff would like that. I'm not going to deny that. I'm not going to pretend and be, be, binch a humble. Como city is a humble, I'm going to let you know. Like, yeah, I'm pretty dull. You were working at Jabba Juice for some time. Where do you work now? Do you work?

I'm a manager now. A job is good for you. City of industry, Jamba Juice, you know. I mean, I might not go. back to a job. I've been in Texas for like three weeks. I didn't call nobody. But you know, like up until that point, I was doing good. It turns out, no, you know, like I stopped using drugs and drinking and like it turns out I'm way more responsible. No. Even weed? Yeah, I had to quit. You know why? Wow. I had to quit because like my testosterone was too

low and I was like, fuck that. Oh. Like there's nothing more important than me. a man you know so i heard i had like 200 something test out and the doctor's like well it could be the marijuana use it could be and i was like what do you mean it's like well known to increase extradile and uh just regulate your hormones and i was like all right fuck it i'm done i could it right there you know what i'm saying next thing now i'm back i love that dog please i have your voice for a second there so what happened your voice what was that oh doing my doctor Dr. Clifton, Dr. Clifton, in Paramount City. Dr. Clifton.

Okay. Well, listen, my friend, we will bring you back soon. Say goodbye to Mike. Who's that? Caleb and Susan are both laughing. They're both laughing. They're both laughing. But it's great to see you.

It's great to see Mike. Please tell him thanks. And we'll look forward to see Magnolia again at her. Caleb's hammer. What? I mean, why would you, like... Yeah, why would he call it anything else? Why would he?

That's right. All right, Rudy. Thank you so much, my friend. We'll see you soon. All right. Be sound, dog. Bye, buddy. See you.

Rumble loves Rudy. Yeah, Rumble. They're going crazy. We have little dancing emojis. Oh, no. And restream, too. We have little dogs. Heads dancing.

Yeah. No, I'm looking at the restream. Yeah. Yeah. And they like to hear them. The pizza emoji came out. They liked the update on sad girl. That's good. Okay. So, oh, my mic cable's on again. Okay. So we got to take another little break and we're going to talk to another comedian, which is Francisco Ramos. He is, you can follow him on Instagram at F. Ramos comedy. And he's got a, he's got a whole, I think he has a, how we're special coming up? That's a tough act to follow though. No, no problem. Follow him Instagram.

of Ephraimos comedy. Ah, there's a new special. It's still learning, which is filmed for the Triad Theater in New York City. Aren't we all? It's produced by super nice guys. He gets into all of the same stuff. Back with Francisco.

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Eframus comedy on Instagram, stand-up special, still learning, available on all major platforms. Francisco, welcome. Hey, thanks for having me. How are you? Pleasure to have you. So, my understanding is in the...

No, I mean, we're going to stay with, you know, stay with his, Hispanic culture, if we can. So you take on marriage therapy, culture, collisions. Tell me more about that. Yes. Well, this special that I shot last year was, I got married. So that was like basically a lot of them was about learning about marriage, you know, like first things, you know, because I've never been married before. So a lot of it is about, you know, like, first of all, like, for example, like when I got married, of course, like I joined a talent. I'm up. you know, because I didn't know, like,

I was like, you're part of the family now, you know, all this stuff. And now what's funny, it's like, but I'm still learning because I'm also, then I just got divorced too. So now, like, the next special is going to be about me learning about being divorced. So, yeah, yeah, so that was. How long were you married for? So I was married for, like, almost two years, together eight, but I'm married almost two years.

Yeah. Uh-oh. Well, I won't, I won't try, yeah, I'm sorry. And I won't try to get you to talk about any of the secrets because that's going to be for the next special. Yeah, no, I'm definitely learning about it. So you learned about marriage and you learned about divorce all in a short period of time. Yeah. Is what did you learn, what did you, did you, what you learned about marriage change, the perspective after divorce? I well yes I think I did I think I see it more about I think you got to take out the

the fantasy sometimes about it about what's going to make a relationship work you know I think you got really got to be like and then you got to sit down with the person you want to marry and in some ways treated like you're you're like in a business you know in some ways I feel like it now that I think you need to talk about those questions that you don't want to ask or those questions that you don't want to be answered, I think that's the thing that I definitely learned and not kind of take things so like, oh, it's going to work out because love is in the air, you know. Right, right. No, it's a, it's a contract. It's actually the only contract that we make with society, right? We made with a person, but it's also a contract that two of you share with

society itself. And people sort of, they say stupid shit. They go, oh, it's just a piece of paper. Yeah, all contracts are just a piece of paper. And you don't get to violate contracts just because you've decided you're tired of that contract. It's a much more complicated situation. And I don't know, people treat it differently. One thing I learned too is how hard. Oh, sorry. One thing I learned too is like about this divorce.

It's like how it's so easy to get married and so hard to get divorced. And I'm going like, ah, there's where the business comes. You know, this is. where like people want you to get married because how many people lose money if you don't get married, you know, besides hotels, the churches, the courts. And then when you get divorced, the lawyer, the courts.

So it's like, I realize, oh, wow, it's because to get married, you can just go to the court and just marry somebody, that's it. And to get divorced. And our divorce or our marriage was very simple. We didn't have kids or anything like that. And it still took a long time And it still was a lot of work to just get divorced.

So that's one thing I'm learning too. Yeah. You know, I did a documentary called Divorce Corp, where we got into all this. And in the attorneys and the judges and the family law courts, they just go to town on people and there's no way to avoid it. It's a kind of a crazy monopoly. But let's talk about more lighter stuff. I understand you have a routine about Alexa. Yes, I do. I do. I was, I was wondering how, how Alexa, you know, doesn't have like a nationality, but I was wondering how Alexa would work if she was Latina, like Alejandra, because I don't think she would be falling that many directions, you know, I'm like, hey, Alejandra, can you tell? I'm not going to tell you anything, okay? What if you tell me how you love you? Okay, when I'm not to sit in a putta, okay, yeah, not fine. So it's like, I don't think it would work at all, like, it would be entertaining, be entertaining.

Yeah, you had a really interesting observation, too, about how people of Latin descent and culture don't really get nursing homes, which I think that's a very positive observation, but tell me yours. Yeah, I just attend, like, I can't remember, and I don't criticize, you know, I was born in Venezuela, I moved to the U.S. when I was 12,

so I'm a U.S. citizen, I've been pretty much here most of my life. So I understand the culture. Like in the American culture, nursing home cultures, it's a thing. I don't judge it. That's what people do it. But I could never, that's not a Latino thing. Like, I could never go to my mom and be like, hey, mom, I heard you were coughing the other day. We got a salary.

Start packing your bags. We're going to, because it just doesn't like, it's like my, I grew up with my parents and my mom's telling me, Francisco. When you get older, you have to take care of me and your dad until we die, you know. And I was like, okay, I'm seven. Why are you telling me this? And it's Christmas. And where's my present?

This is heavy. I'm just, I'm so young. And can you tell me a little bit about the first time you experienced racism? Yes. That was, so when I first moved, it was in, I grew up in Maryland, when I got in Bethesda, Maryland. And when my mom put me in this little private school, which I didn't have. have, you know, it was just, they just put me, they just plugged me into the school.

So I didn't have nobody. But I remember, I didn't know English at that time. I was just like, I was just, but I remember a student called me a speak. And I didn't know what that was because I didn't know English at that time. So I thought he meant speak. So this whole time, I mean, he's like, he's like, speak. And I'm like, I'm like, I'm not speak. And he's like, what?

I know, you're a speak. And I'm like, no speak. And he got all mad. He's like, what? And that's when I realized that's how you combat racist with ignorance. You know what I mean? Because I had no idea what I would speak to. I don't, again, I'm fixing ignorance.

I'm kind of ignorant of the sensitivity people have and the racist experiences they have. But I feel like is his, are Hispanics and a guy who I don't know what to use the term Latino or the Hispanic anymore? It's getting confusing to me. I feel like that kind of racism against maybe the border stuff made it worse again or something. But I feel like that's sort of going away, isn't it? For Hispanics in particular? Yeah. I mean, I don't, it is.

I think in some ways I do feel before I felt more that I think is not even the, because that was the only time I experienced racism, but I felt like I was sometimes I didn't belong. I think now it's more like like I belong in. in society or in the American culture. You would have reminds me of it reminds me of like the way this country treated Italians. They were super racist and Italians and all of a sudden they just

stopped thinking about it. It's like oh yeah, those are just Italian. It's like just whatever. But there but there is still a tremendous amount of tension amongst different Latino and Hispanic cultures and

right? Yes. I do well. think that's also to blame the Spanish conquistadors. I think like they're very, I think because of them, they were very sometimes separatist about our cultures when a lot of them, when to me, that's one of the beauties that I, when I grew up in D.C., Maryland, I had a lot of my friends from different parts, international friends, from different parts of South America, and American, even Europe. And I realize how, you know, how similar we are. But I think there's still this, a lot of, like, especially like South America

with Central America, sometimes South America looks down on Central America and Riceburg, you know, and like, and then especially the, the neighbors. Sometimes it is like, you know, like Columbia, against Venezuela and like where it's like, we're pretty much similar. And back in the, the,

the Simone Bolivar days, it was a natural one country. It was going to be Colombia, Ecuador, and Venezuela, one country, and they broke up, you know. So like, so I think there's, still a lot of that, and Panama. Which I, and Panama, do it. Exactly. Exactly.

Which would have been a huge country and much, more, more successful country right now. People are all together. And then they were just been in states, you know, like I was in the US, you know? What's coming up for you? Well, I'm, right now, I'm touring right now.

So I got some shows coming up. And I'm doing shows in Houston. By the end of the month, August 27, 29th. I also have some good projects coming up that I can't talk about them right now because I said I mean, the A that's going to be coming out on the end of the year. So I'm looking forward to that. And then, and then, yes, my special is out right now. So please check it out. It's on all the platforms, YouTube, Google, you know, Apple TV, all the ones that you want to go. And then,

and yeah, just follow me on F. Ramos Comedy, Franciscoiramos.com. That's my website as well. And come see me live. We're going to have a great time. And you can hear my divorce material stuff. Oh boy. Oh boy. And is that where the schedule is? Is that where the schedules? We can find out where you're appearing next?

Yes. Yes. If you go to my website or my Instagram, all my dates are there. And that is francesframos.com or Francisco? What is the website? So the website is Francisco eRamos.com. There's got to be an E because if you just write Francisco Ramos, It takes you some architect in Spain that has something to do with me.

But it's probably making more money. These guys are not going to give any jokes about divorce. No, no, no. He's going to tell you how to build a house that you had to sell, you know. All right, Francisco. Thank you for stopping by. We appreciate it. Good luck.

Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. You got it, of course. Caleb, let's see what's coming up. We're going to have a show tomorrow. and my understanding is it's a little early. Is that true? Yes, noon Pacific.

It says noon in there. Noon. What time? Noon. New Pacific on Friday tomorrow. Changing it on my calendar right now. Yes, there it is. It's going to be Dr. Victory coming back.

Jessica Rose coming in. Peter Galooly from TWC. But that's a pretty powerful lineup there. Jessica has got some slightly different ideas. than Sasha Letipova did yesterday with us. And again, that was very interesting. And then on the 18th, what I think is...

Kelly called Fauci a narcissistic psychopath? Oh, yeah. Psychopathic narcissistic, like what she said. Yeah. Yeah. And, well, she does not mince her words. And so... And Shelley's praying, Bob Forrest,

a stockler recovery next week. And let's see. Salty Cracker coming in. I think that's Thursday as well. And again, we're going to... sort of try to move away from Wednesdays as we get into September and we'll have some Mondays and Fridays mixed in there with you all. No, just Mondays, Monday, Tuesday, Thursdays. But mostly.

Tuesdays and Thursdays are our main. Am I getting it right that mostly in September we're doing mostly Tuesday Thursdays? Yes. And then a couple of Mondays. Okay, great. All right. We appreciate all being here. Thank you for my guest.

Let me quickly look at you guys on the re-stream and see what there was all just. Oh, more dolphins. Thanks, Anthony. Yeah, we do want dolphins. More dolphins. Oh, gosh. I know. We took our dolphin ad down.

Maybe we'll have to put it back up. Uh-huh. Let's see. I'm looking at what you guys are saying on the Rumble Rants. Hold on a second. You know what you guys are talking about here. It seems like, was there a troll in there or something? These guys are, and then the restructed.

Sorry. Thank you guys. I think it's molten salt. He's just, he's just talking. Thank you. Thank you, you all. Everyone loved to see in Mike Cethwood and the flashback with him and the revisitation with Rudy. All right, everybody.

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