Ask Dr. Drew - MAHA Shock: FDA Approves Moderna’s New mRNA mNEXSPIKE Covid Vaccine, Angering Voters w/ Dr. Simone Gold & Robert Suttle – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 490

Episode Date: June 7, 2025

More mRNA is on the way – despite years of warnings from medical experts. The FDA’s shocking approval of Moderna’s next-gen mNEXSPIKE (mRNA-1283) COVID-19 vaccine for adults 65+ (and those 12-64 with certain risk factors) has sparked controversy from MAHA, with critics accusing the FDA of bypassing its promised safety protocols in favor of Big Pharma profits. Dr. Simone Gold is a board-certified emergency physician and Stanford-educated attorney. She founded America’s Frontline Doctors and GoldCare.com, a medical freedom platform. Her book, Selective Persecution, details government abuses. More at https://x.com/DrSimoneGold Robert Suttle is a Black gay activist and HIV long-term survivor. He founded the HIV Is Not A Crime initiative with the Elizabeth Taylor AIDS Foundation, advocating against HIV criminalization. More at https://x.com/suttlepoints and https://www.robertsuttle.com 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • ACTIVE SKIN REPAIR - Repair skin faster with more of the molecule your body creates naturally! Hypochlorous (HOCl) is produced by white blood cells to support healing – and no sting. Get 20% off at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/skinrepair⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Her book, Selective Persecution, talking about government abuses. We'll be getting to that, but after we talk to her, we'll talk to Robert Settle. He is a HIV activist, and He's gonna educate me about something I know nothing about, I've never heard of it, which is HIV criminalization. And I, as someone who worked in the depths

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The book is Selective Persecution, that I may have said prosecution before, it's Selective Persecution. You can follow Dr. Gold, D-R-S-I-M-O-N-E. Dr. Gold, welcome to the program. There is the book. Thank you so much, Dr. Dr. Dr. Drury. Great to be back.

So tell us about the book and what we can learn by reading it. It's gonna be, I love these sorts of books because they're going to be historically relevant documents. If not now, certainly one day. You actually hit the nail on the head. This is my personal experience over the past four years, five years since becoming a COVID whistleblower against the government and the media.

And then I was arrested on January 6th. So it reads like a legal thriller, but each chapter takes Americans and other people through what happened in our nation, how we arrived at such a place where you could put somebody like me in prison for two months. How did we get there? How is that possible? And I use everything I knew as a doctor to explain what happened during COVID. And everything I know as a lawyer to explain all the illegalities quite frankly,

that I saw pertaining to J six, it reads like a Michael Crichton novel. And it's also a strong historical reference as to what has happened in our nation, there's actually 650 references in there. So people cannot say, I didn't know, or I forgot, or can we just move on? I don't think so. This is what you said, this is what you did. We've got all the receipts.

I really hope people check it out. Yeah, I hope so too, because it is really important that people take a good hard look at what happened here. And I find myself walking around all the time going, how do we, what happened to us? Both what happened to us as a country and what happened to us as a profession? Yes, actually, right.

So how did we get here? So when you read the book, I explain it. Your previous guests or your next guests will be talking about AIDS and HIV. Well, people will be interested to find out that what we endured under Fauci's reign of terror in the COVID years was exactly what he had done during the AIDS epidemic. So there's Fauci 1.0 was the AIDS and then Fauci 2.0 was his COVID response and they actually

were identical. There's three things he did specifically. I outline them in the book. So that's how we got here. That's how we got to a place where nurses were prohibiting grandparents and children from seeing each other from spouses of 50 years. One would die in the ER alone because that's what we've become. So I really have explained it. And we were forward by Dennis Prager and afterward by Dr. John Eastman about the legal and Dr. Robert Malone about the medical.

It's quite eyeopening. So, you know, I think you may, were you a physician before law school? Yes, I'm definitely a doctor at heart. My heart is a doctor. Yeah, I was a doctor first. Yeah. And you're still too young to have, I get it.

No, I love having you to have both. But being, you're a little too young to have been in the depths of the AIDS situation that I was in. I was deep, deep, deep in it. As you can imagine, it broke. And when I hit residency, we got all the cases, right? Cause the practicing physicians did not have any idea how to deal with it or what it was, And when I hit residency, we got all the cases, right? Cause the practicing physicians did not have any idea

how to deal with it or what it was, or they're just completely clueless. And so the teaching institutions and the residents got the cases and I did it for years. And at the time, go ahead, please. I actually want to share with you. So I graduated medical school when I was 23 and my dad was a doctor.

So I was involved with this since birth. So I actually, I have my own independent recollection of the eighties and how it went and how Fauci interfered and how AIDS patients were treated as, you know, like lepers. And all, by the way, remember how scared everyone was to touch a gay, a gay person that was directly from Fauci who should have known it was not easily transmitted, but instead basically told us to be very afraid of gay people. That was the precursor to the six foot social distancing that he did during COVID.

So I do remember it. That's really interesting. But the one thing that was in addition to the Fauci 1.0 that he didn't have, I think we talked about this last time during the AIDS epidemic, was Dr. Birx went around and did precisely, precisely the behavior that caused the opioid epidemic,

which is event physicians went around in the opioid case, went around and said, there should never be pain in America. We have these things called opiates, they're harmless. We should be using them liberally. And they went from state to state and got the regulatory organizations, the professional societies, the state medical societies, the veterans affairs organizations, and mandated excess prescribing of opiates. Pain is what the patient says it is, pain controls what the patient says it is. Burks used that same thing when it came to COVID,

lockdown, lockdown, you're killing people. And she was the sort of the icing on the cake of Fauci 1.0 under the 2.0 circumstance. She did a lot of harm. I actually wrote a children's book called A Plot Against the Kids and I outline exactly what happened, the harm that Birx and Fauci did together. Yeah, maybe cultures have to go through this periodically.

Yeah. That's a really, there's a lot packed into that statement. I know what you're saying because of Go back to Jefferson. Jefferson, right? Father Jefferson, right? He said the tree of liberty has repruned periodically with the blood of patriots and tyrants. And hopefully actually that's a metaphorical blood this time, but the fact that a mass formation hit for me

was so startling, it's so bizarre, but I thought those happened under these extreme circumstances back, post-World War I and things, but here we are, I guess they happen again. And maybe it's less extreme because our character construct has sort of shifted in a certain direction towards Cluster B personality disorders.

I'm using a code for you there. And that's indeed what has happened. And maybe that makes it more likely to happen under less stressful circumstances. But go back to what happened to us. So Fauci created a lot of it, but we all went over, not we all, but so many of our peers went along with it. Dr. Drew, you and I are in the same boat.

I felt from you from our last conversation, like how heartbroken you were over our profession. I could feel it from you and I am the same. It is heartbreaking that doctors who have the capacity to understand the capacity or the training supposedly to look at facts dispassionately were so complicit and so disinterested, you know, how their ears covered, their eyes covered, and they were, I don't know,

following their paychecks or just, you know, we've gotten very comfortable in America. We have very comfortable lives and nobody wanted to rock the boat. And I always thought doctors were special. I really thought being a doctor was the most special thing a person could do with their life and we answered to a higher calling and I discovered overwhelmingly American doctors did not believe that. And do you think that's a function of how we're training them now?

This is a loaded question. I think it's right. I think it's partly because life has gotten so comfortable and so pleasant, you know, in Western nations that there's people perceive that there's so much to lose if they speak out. But I do think the training does specifically make doctors more likely than the average citizen to be lockstep. We have a lot to lose. We have prestige, we have salary, we have all these accolades, we are rewarded for staying on the treadmill, for not rocking the boat.

And we are specifically trained in all of our med school, you know, just to ask questions that are fact-based, but not theoretical or philosophical or why questions, right? And then in residency, you're really rewarded for being quite robotically accurate. So I do think our training worsens our American tendency to go long. And a lot of people don't realize that it's a military system. There's a hierarchy and you do it your,

and that's how we sort of learn our behaviors, but it has weaknesses when the hierarchy is adulterated by influences that shouldn't be there, which I think is what happened here. But I want you to talk, I know last time we talked a lot about this and how I was sort of hoodwinked in the whole thing because I found Fauci,

I had a different experience during the AIDS thing where I was there when the AZT box is open and we finally had something to do for these young men. I mean, it was terrible before that. I was a fourth year medical student telling a young man every day, he had six months to live and I was never wrong. And now I could do nine or 12 months

while we tried to figure more things out. So I was grateful for all that and I felt like he was a guiding force that helped me with the patients getting through all that. But I understand there were some issues along the way that I might have, some forces in there that I might not have been aware of. But I want you to put your legal hat on more this time too

and talk about our, now that we kind of understand that maybe some, you know, I froze. That's weird, Susan, we're having internet glitches. So what I said was I want you to put your, last time I went, we talked a lot about our mutual experiences as physicians. I want you to put your legal head on a little bit more now, given that we can look through the lens of history.

And there's a lot of funny business that went on in our government that did not seem consistent with the American system as I understood it. Let's put it that way. What is your assessment of what happened there, both in terms of the excesses on the public health side, the fact that the White House might've been run

by somebody who we don't even still don't know? What happened legally and constitutionally in all this that you're thinking these days and that we can read about in the book? Actually, that's actually what I write about in the book heavily. Selective persecution and the subtitle is the legalization of American fascism.

Fascism going forward is not going to look like Nazism or Stalin or Mao. It's going to look like this version of a bureaucracy where we have given up our rights to essentially bureaucracy, much more like the social credit score. You know, what happened in the White House the last four years, we actually don't know. You could say there's a bureaucracy that was running the White House. It's as good an answer as any.

So we have so many rules, we have so many regulations. When our nation was founded, there was about four federal laws. You know, when you look them up, it's like treason, desertion, homosexuality was one of them. I believe, I could be mistaken about that, but there was about four. We have about 300,000 federal statutes now. 300,000, nobody even knows. There was a book written by a Harvard professor some time ago called Three Felonies a Day, which pointed out that most white-collar professionals are committing three felonies a day without knowing it. So So we have a huge number of laws on the books, and then we can essentially entrap those people who are dissidents, those people who possess unpopular views, and we've kind of moved to

that place. And we also have worldwide instantaneous communication that lasts forever. So this fear of cancel culture, which is essentially the normal human fear of, you know, just getting along with people and, you know, having a good reputation has been magnified times a trillion. So people are quite afraid to speak out. And that's why it's important that you, me, other people, remind people not to allow themselves to be censored. The self-censorship is where we change as a people. We all saw it in 2020.

You didn't want to wear the mask, but you didn't wanna offend anyone else. And so those people who didn't wanna wear the mask, kind of were polite about it. We need to stop that. We need to just speak our piece, not self-censor. I think that is part of the solution, is not silencing ourselves. And then what about,

I was listening to French people speak this morning, and they were talking about the EU and the distorted notion of what democracy. This is about to become the Dr. Simone Gold show here. I will just speak while Dr. Drew. So I believe his question was, you know, the European Union did not have as robust Bill of Rights as we do here in America. They don't really quite have the same strength on First Amendment freedom of speech. After World War II, Germany and some other nations passed laws that were perhaps well-intentioned about quote hate speech. They didn't want Nazis

and to rise again. So they started doing rules and laws against quote hate speech. But that has now morphed into what we're seeing in modern day Europe, which is you can get arrested and put in jail for means and tweets and things like that. And that is a real life demonstration of how important it is to safeguard our first amendment above everything. The antidote to hate speech is more speech and we can never outlaw speech. And Europe, I agree. It's yeah, they don't have protections of that as explicitly as we do.

But, but their notion of democracy seems to be like it's democracy is supposed to be there to protect people against discomfort or something. It's the oddest thing. And whenever the majority wants something that is like you said, makes somebody else uncomfortable. That's not. So democracy, uh, we are not a democracy in america thank god democracy is essentially ruled by the majority that means if 51 percent of the people vote to take all of your money that's perfectly

legal in a democracy we are a constitutional republic with a bill of rights that means we have certain inalienable rights no matter how many no matter if 99 percent of people want to vote them away. Constitutional Republic is what you are. And then you have representatives, and that's more of a democracy portion. But there are certain rights that are absolutely guaranteed. There's an expression called the tyranny of the majority. That's when the majority rule, 51% can rule that we take all the assets of the 49%

or lives for that matter. Well, but we've been recently, you've been sort of, and the kind of democracy that the EU seems to be interested in is a tyranny of the minority potentially. Yeah, it's actually very frightening. I don't know what's going to happen in Europe long-term. I don't know if, when I meet my maker, if Europe is still even going to

be a powerful, uh, Western center, I tend to think not actually. I think Europe is on the decline, although perhaps Eastern Europe will come in and save the day. Hungary, Hungary. That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Hungary, have you seen that Hungary, the new tax policy. Yeah, yeah. Well, Hungary, I don't know, have you seen that? Hungary, the new tax policy in Hungary is to favor families.

I don't know if you caught that in the news, but they've actually restructured their tax program to favor families. Like you get tax benefits if you have more children. So they're doing things differently than most of Western Europe. Yeah, favoring families, favoring health, favoring freedoms. I mean, it's again, much like I was bewildered

by the behavior of our peers, I'm bewildered by this seemingly enthusiasm for intrusions upon our freedoms. Yes, and we don't have as many freedoms here in America as people think. Again, and going back to the COVID references, one of the things that struck me in 2020 was that all over the world,

you could have access to really cheap, safe, generic medicines like hydroxychloroquine, but you couldn't have that access here in America. And I just think that that's kind of bizarre. You know, there's, yeah. So I just thought I'd mention to you, you might be interested, sorry, if you go on America's frontline doctors aflds.org website, we are moving to ask the FDA to make hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin over the counter. This is something I did in 2020 and I took

them two years to turn me down, but we are going to resurrect that citizens petition and everyone should come and sign Aflds org because we want to actually have more freedom here So that's just a little tiny slice of medical freedom in and let me ask you about that I mean is it because that is sort of the battleground for medical freedom I mean before kovat either, you know, I had any strong feelings about ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine. I used it in my lupus patients. I didn't use it. I had ivermectin occasionally in my ascorros or whatever patients.

But I didn't see it as a battleground for medical freedom. Is that why you wanted over the counter? Yeah. So you're exactly right. Your question is sophisticated. Why these two meds? What is that? I want to move as much away from government control

as possible. It happens that these are two that really are high profile. It happens that ivermectin looks very promising in various other diseases and cancer. And I want to move Americans away from a reliance on big brother telling them what's okay. I don't think the FDA should be in the business of restricting meds that we know are safe. That's it.

It's really that simple. All the many meds that are over the counter, Aleve, Naprosyn, Meclizine, there's a, there's a, those are all prescription and they were brought to over the counter status because the manufacturer had a financial incentive to do so, which is fine. But I would like to remove the pharmacist and the doctor as a choke point choking the American people. And we also have to move pharmaceutical manufacture back to America, that's a big problem.

Yeah, no, the fact that medicine, the patient doctor unit has been so completely eviscerated, we have no choice but to just get it to the patient doctor unit has been so completely eviscerated, we have no choice but to just get it to the patient, give them the ability to control their healthcare. Because our relationship with the patients is under the influence of government regulators, professional societies, state medical societies, and insurance companies that determine everything.

Literally, you're there as trying to protect your patients. You can't. Go ahead. This is my view of to protect your patients. You can't. Go ahead. This is my view of what medicine will look like in the future. So you heard it here on the Dr. Drew Show. Doctors should serve as consultants. The way accountants or lawyers or realtors

serve as consultants for their clients. Clients should pay consultants for their advice and their time and that's it. You don't like the consultant, you move on to another consultant. But the choke point should not be at the pharmacy. The choke point, if a drug is safe, we ought to be able to buy them and you ought to avail yourself of consultants who will educate you. That's how I see medicine going in the future. And by the way, with AI, if physicians don't

start getting on board of the doctor patient relationship, you won't need a physician at all. That's right. I completely agree with you. But let's now take that over to public health, where the most egregious successes have occurred, where there's some problem in our constitution, where in an emergency, state appointed pediatricians are given totalitarian authority over our lives. They should also merely be an advisory role or given totalitarian authority over our lives,

they should also merely be an advisory role to physicians, frankly, and that's it. But what do we do with that? That to me is one of the great problems that we learned about during COVID. I had no idea existed and must be solved. Okay, again, my book, Selective Persecution, Many Reasons to Buy It, but one of those reasons

is the epilogue written by Dr. Robert Malone, who traces the history of public health officers in our nation. Public health is actually diametrically opposed to the doctor, the bedside doctor who's caring for the patient. That doctor's supposed to be working for you. It has been corrupted. We've seen that. But the public health doctors are not even working for you.

They're diametrically posed They also come from what's called yellow beret socialism yellow beret socialist It's a very interesting back story how the public health services all started how it also led to the CDC and age I think public health officials are the scariest, you know to paraphrase Ronald Reagan. I'm here from the government I'm here to help you. It's like I'm here from public health and I'm here to help you. It's like, I'm here from public health and I'm here to help you. It's like very scary words. I do not trust our public health sphere at all. One of the best things Trump did was remove us from the WHO and I hope we make that permanent.

For sure. That's where we open this year with Michelle Bachman who alerted me to that World Health Organization so-called treaty, which was, I had no idea that was coming either. It's just crazy. But yes, I agree with you, but we still have their influence.

And you know, it was weird to me, I noticed, you know, as time went along, all these physicians had MPH after their MD. I'm like, why? Why do you need that? What would that do for you? I still question why a young physician would elect to get that training.

I mean, empower them in some way that they want to be a part of that system. Yeah, it's very funny. When I was young and I was thinking about what to do and I ended up choosing law school, I did, a lot of people encouraged me to get an MPH. There was something in my soul and brain intellect, like I was resistant to it.

There was something about it. I didn't even understand it. But the mission of the public health officials is diametrically opposed to the mission of your bedside doctor who's supposed to work for you. Diametrically opposed. They're trying to reduce health problems in the abstract. So they're trying to prevent like global diseases, for example, in the best case scenario. But that means that interfering with every individual, every individual sovereignty and decision-making, the diametrically opposed,

it's well written by Dr. Malone in the book, Selective Persecution. So what do we do about this? Is there laws that need to come in state by state? Do we have federal legislation? It's something to do with the constitution that they're taking advantage of. I don't see us doing constitutional reform.

What do we do? It's critical that mandates are never permitted under any circumstances. That's right. I was not a huge fan of Dr. Makary. And I know you're interested in the subject, you know, leading the FDA, but one of the things he did say

pretty consistently throughout COVID was he was against mandates. That just has to be something that we train children from birth on. Mandates are un-American, unconstitutional. I don't know what kind of freedom you have if you don't have freedom over your body. It seems very basic to me.

I know. So. Me know. So. Me too. So you mentioned Macari. So now we have these mRNA vaccines approved through Moderna. They allege they're gonna do some kind of, some sort of study that it can't possibly be a placebo control blinded crossover study,

but this is their next generation COVID vaccine. I'm assuming it's once again, the pathogenic protein that's produced, the spike protein. I can't for the life of me understand why we don't go for nuclear capsid, but what do you think of this? To me, it seems like, let me show my hand, that the bureaucracy again is still in place, it's still doing its thing,

and we got to give the new leaders a chance to get a control, get the tiger by the tail. I think running the HHS is an unbelievably difficult job. There's, I think, 13 agencies under the HHS. All of them, I believe, are multi-billion dollar agencies. It's a very huge task. We all heard Secretary Kennedy say that he didn't want to release any new vaccines unless they were placebo-controlled, tested against placebo-controlled

trials. Of course, that didn't happen here. I think the loophole was that the FDA released them for younger people with comorbidities and older people. And I think they're using that. But I went back and I listened to Kennedy's words and I think they're going on a technicality. I don't think they should have been released if you are following Secretary Kennedy's advice, which means the bureaucracy is very large and perhaps too powerful for any one person to stop.

I wanna point out a few things though, specifically. One is I don't understand why people think they really even need a COVID shot. I just wanna put that out there and maybe that's unpopular. I don't understand why people think they really even need a COVID shot. I just want to put that out there and maybe that's unpopular. I don't care. This is a virus, SARS 2 virus, and there are lots of viruses and I wouldn't take a new untested medicine for a virus. I simply wouldn't do it. I just wouldn't do it. Now let's talk specifically about this particular one because I looked it up before the show. So this new shot actually covers, did you know this Dr. Drew? It covers the XBB 1.5 variant, which is the Omicron variant from

two years ago. That's what it covers. It's covering the Omicron variant. I say that right now because again, why would you take something that's new and it's not even so tailored to the variant that's out now? I simply am baffled by this. I've said a long time. Yeah, if I could jump on you with this one and we're having all kinds of technical problems so it feels like we're jumping on each other. I apologize to our listeners and viewers for that.

But yeah, I've had several people take it and then within a week or a month get COVID. So it's clearly ineffective. And I'm convinced we have two variants running around here in Southern California. One causes severe runny nose. It's just a cold essentially. But the other one I think is that NB181.

It's pretty nasty. And the vaccine does nothing against that. And we have antivirals and we have monoclonal and we have all these other things. And the vaccine is directed, as you said, at a variant that's been gone a year ago. So what, and it's designed to create the pathogenic component of the virus.

What are we doing? And why, please somebody explain this to me. And I kind of brought this up a bunch lately and I started getting some pushback on social media and what people kept quoting was data from alpha and delta. That is a different illness. That's a totally different illness and a different vaccine. This is, it's uncanny to me

that we can't have these conversations meaningfully. I have not much to add. I just wanna say I agree and I validate everything you said. I've checked this all out myself. It works on the old version, the Omicron version, the XBB-15. It's not working on the current versions. It's brand new.

It's not been placebo tested. You most likely will get over SARS-2 if you do contract SARS-2. I'm not saying it's pleasant. Being tested, you most likely will get over SARS-2. If you do contract SARS-2, I'm not saying it's pleasant, being sick is never pleasant, but the deathly fear-mongering that you must take a vaccine or, I don't know, the sky will fall in. I want to move Americans away from this hyper-reliance on magical medical cures, live as healthy as possible, be in normal weight, get some sunshine every day, walk outside, try your best to eat well, try as healthy as possible, be in normal weight, get some sunshine every day, walk outside, try your best to eat well, try your best to sleep, you know, eight hours

a night and stopping living in fear and on over reliance on medical miracles that are producing miracles for the company. Moderna, I think, earned three3 billion from their earlier version. Last year they earned $3.1 billion. So it's working for Moderna. I just don't think it's working for patients. Well, and if you're very elderly and you're worried about it and you want to talk to your doctor about it, okay.

I mean, I've noticed that the elders tend to get less side effects it seems like from this vaccine. They have a less pressure buzz. It this vaccine. That's been my- It's true. It's true. I agree with you on that. If the elder you talk about it, sorry. That's been my experience.

And by the way, I had one severe reaction to in one patient I've given out, I've had many, many, many take the booster. And I made three reports to VAERS in a 99 year old who nearly died. And nope, no response from VAERS. We'll get back to you. We'll let you know. Yeah.

Yeah. It's crazy. I just, but the bigger point perhaps you were alluding to it earlier was are the agencies under secretary Kennedy following his direction? He clearly said he wants placebo control trials before releasing new shots. Right.

Well, they allege that's what they're going to do. And I thought they had said no new COVID vaccines, but I don't know. But again, I want to give them a chance to, as you said, it's a huge agency. I want to give them a chance to do their job. Are you amongst the group that's impatient and angry and feel let down?

I have a lot of faith in Secretary Kennedy. I really, I do. I think it's a difficult job. I've said for five years now, the big farmer runs the federal government, not the other way around. So it's very, very difficult. I am optimistic he will get some things done.

I have my eye on the freedom angle, which is that nothing should be mandated. That's what I keep my eye on. Yeah, it's so easy to put your finger on these things that you can have, like freedom of speech, absolutely willing to go to the mat on that. No mandates, you do not have the bioethical standing for a mandate, I'm willing to go to the mat on that. No mandates. You do not have the bioethical standing for a mandate. I'm willing to go to the mat on that.

There are things that have come out of this experience that I, like you, am an absolutist about. I never thought about these things at any other point in my life. But, you know, what did you put up there, Caleb? The vaccine for adults 65 and older is what that spike, M next spike is for. Anything with a spike, I just, I don't understand it.

I can't imagine, but here we are. I just want to share with everybody that, so we do medical town halls. So the next one coming up is June 10th at 8 p.m. Eastern. Go to goldcare.com because this is what we're talking about. Spikeopathy. What medical risks, what diseases, what problems can happen from these spike proteins? That's literally, we'll have Steve Kirsch with us. So if you go to goldcare.com, it's Tuesday evening, June 10th, and just sign up. It's free. And you learn all about the spikes, the spike protein,

why you really don't want to put these things in your body. Yeah, the spike is just, it's... What was the doctor last week I talked to, Jordan, Dr. Jordan Simone, I can't remember his name, but he has thousands of patients in study and has been talking a lot about the coagulopathy and the endothelial injuries and the endothelitis that's caused by the spike protein.

I mean, it's well established now that this is what does its thing. And stroke is not an uncommon complication of all this. But my last question to you is, are there remedies we need to be seeking in the legal, in the courts? Are there things that still need to be done if they won't legislatively look at some of these things?

We need to get to the courts to safeguard against future excesses like this. Okay, so this is where being a doctor lawyer came very much in handy during the COVID years. I knew from very early on that these shots should not be treated under the standard of vaccine law, which is a different standard than medical treatment law. Vaccines, the government has some police power to enforce.

Medical treatment, there's absolutely no, the government has zero ability to interfere in your medical decisions. So this is critical. We fought this for three or four years. In the summer of 24, the Ninth Circuit, which is the highest court really other than the Supreme Court held that these shots were not definitely vaccines. They really should be held to the medical treatment standard, which is the

Nancy Cruzan standard, not the Jacobson standard. This is hyper technical legal language, but it's critical right now in America in 2025. We're in a relatively good place when it comes to mandate the highest court short of the Supreme Court has held that these COVID shots are more akin to medical treatment only and therefore cannot be mandated. So at the moment we're in an okay place. So at the moment, we're in an okay place. Well, an okay place still scares me because there's, you know, there's been so much excess. I'm so glad you've written the book. It's historically relevant.

I'm glad you put your finger on some of the things that the excesses that we need to be aware of and learn from this and maybe think about the remedies that you and Dr. Malone have suggested. Is it, have I left anything out of this story that you wanted to get into here in terms of what you learned writing the book

and what you're thinking about and concerned about going forward? I want to remind people that, you know, if you're a doctor and a lawyer and you've been to the best schools and you've had a sterling reputation, and your government can do a violent FBI SWAT team raid on you and take you out in your neighborhood, perp walk you in handcuffs and shackles, and then throw you

into maximum security prison, then we've got some difficulties. So I urge you to learn more about this, not to become hopeless, but to learn more about it and start advocating for more freedom throughout our great land. And you can find the story in selective persecution. Simone, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much.

So what point in that intro did I get cut off from your end, Caleb? The whole thing, I think. The whole thing. Okay. Robert Subtle is a long-term survivor. He founded HIV Is Not a Crime Initiative with the Elizabeth Taylor AIDS Foundation,

advocating against HIV criminalization, which I've never heard of. I want to hear more about that. You can find him on X Subtle Points, S-U-T-T-L-E Points is his X handle, and robertsuddle.com. We'll get to him right after this. People like.

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That's 20% off. All right, we're kind of back. Caleb, can you tell me, may I proceed? It's kind of weirdly freezing all the time here. Yeah, you can go ahead. I'm about to connect our Starlink back up just in case. I'm just going to check everything. Just checking everything.

The whole, just doing it live guys, doing it live. All right, we are back. We've had a crazy technical problem today, but we're going to give Robert, he's such a good sport. We're going to give him his standalone show. This is your own show, Robert. We're going to just, you and I for a few minutes, important topic.

Let's review again, just the basics. Everything seems perfectly good now. We're working very well technically. Briefly- Look how good Robert looks. I know, our transmission is much, much, much improved. You have great skin. So the issue Robert is that people got weird during COVID

and started making state law specific to HIV. And it sounds like what was really at issue was knowingly exposing somebody to the possibility of transmitting a fatal illness, at that time a fatal illness, now a chronic illness. What needs to be done? Do we have to go state by state?

Does there need to be federal legislation? How do we deal with some of the, again, it's disconnected from reality as you were pointing out. Most HIV, most people with HIV that live long periods of time have essentially undetectable viral load, therefore they can't transmit it. So why are they being subjected to all these extraordinary exclusive laws to HIV?

You know, that is a great question. Just like COVID happened, you know, AIDS happened back in the late 80s and 90s, but we did create laws around COVID and simply because everyone contracted COVID, no matter where you were, you know, the possibilities were endless in terms of the elements you took proper precautions. I have many reasons why these laws still exist. One, of course, is just misinformation. But two, what it's associated with. Historically, it's been associated with gay people or sex workers or people who are of

identities that we or some people don't choose to agree with. But what people need to understand is that HIV impacts everybody. There are all sorts of people that are living with HIV in the US and around the world. And what we need to do is educate ourselves about that. That is important to understand what is available for us to, one, to prevent us from contracting HIV, and two, for those of us that are living with HIV and aging with HIV to have access

to the proper medical treatments and medicines that are very effective. I'm a person living with HIV for 22 years and I've not had any complications with my HIV status except the fact of being criminalized because of my health status. And that is something that I've had to deal with and navigate through and through the advocacy

I've been able to join others in this fight to bring awareness around about HIV criminalization, who it impacts and how. And we have begun that work to go from state to state because these are state laws. And one thing I should point out is that these laws do not look at the fact of whether a person's in care or in treatment. They don't look at whether a person is undetectable, meaning that they cannot transmit the virus to another person. None of these

things are taken into consideration. It's just a simple fact that if you are living with HIV and you know it and you are excused of exposing someone to HIV and not disclosing now sharing your status with them, then you can be criminally liable. And that is problematic. And that is very reckless. Should it be different than other sexually transmitted diseases?

Because there are similar laws for essentially all other sexually transmitted diseases. Or, well, there's very few states that have what we call communicable laws for disease that are communicable and HIV seems to be the only one that's isolated compared to how the other criminal for criminal are yes absolutely civil though, for civil though, I again, I'm not an expert in this area, but I think there's civil liability, right? Well, one could bring civil suit if they would like to. I think in most of those cases,

people are either seeking some sort of monetary gain, right? But most of these laws are enshrined in the criminal code and in some instances in public health. But this is a public health issue and it's also creating a crisis around our civil rights. And if you want to go globally with it, our human rights. And so by criminalizing people, living with HIV, they don't always get a fair shake in the justice system. I myself have had to go to court based on the accusation and I had to plea because

I didn't want to face many years in prison, but that is a common practice for people who are facing this type of situation and many people who are in the black community can, and even in the white community and other people, men and women that are impacted, not everyone has money to afford an attorney. And most people in the public eye, you looked at as a criminal anyway, you looked at as guilty,

simply because you're HIV positive, but no one really knows your story. They don't really know the impact that as to how you might have come across contracting HIV or even what that situation is. In many of these cases, HIV is not transmitted. But we never know that because in the story we only know is that this person is living with HIV.

They're accused of exposing someone. And if you know anything about this person's situation, call the police. That is as far as the public's information. So it's getting confusing for me. It's getting confusing for me. Because it's not been my experience that people living with HIV are, I actually did a show called I'm Positive, where we chronicle the lives of people with this condition. And I've not experienced, I've seen ignorance,

but I've not seen discrimination per se, though I'm sure it happens. But I'm getting a little bit confused. So if somebody knows their status, their HIV status, and they have contact with another person without discussing it with them. Even though you may be at a zero viral load, you know for sure you're at a zero viral load,

you're obliged in some states to share your HIV status with the partner. Is that it or you violated a law? Is that accurate? You are considered to violate a law if you don't display your status to someone prior to evasion of a sexual activity. Okay, got it, got it.

It is considered in some instances can be considered aggravated assault or considered a sex crime. Okay, but what do we do with, so I'm dealing with this mostly with drug addicts with HIV who know they have HIV, who knowingly share needles with other people, knowingly have sex with other people,

don't take their antivirals the way they're supposed to, and really would have no way of, because they're in their disease state, they have no way of knowing what their viral load is. What do we do with that person? Is that, I mean, does that person, did that person do something wrong or should there be laws against that?

Well, I do believe we should treat like harm, treat all like harms alike. If someone is in a drug induced state of mind, and I will add that some people do do drugs for harm reduction in order for ways of coping. That is a fact. Just like the criminalization of people is the fact. That's why I'm on here.

Because HIV criminalization laws do exist across this country and even around the world. If it didn't, I wouldn't be talking about it. I wish I didn't have to talk about it. But it does happen. But to your question, that person needs support. They need as much support as they could possibly get. If they are, in fact, taking drugs for whatever reason,

again, harm reduction could be one of those reasons. That doesn't mean they need to be criminalized. They need support, because life is hard. Life is hard in this country. And I know it as a black man, a gay man growing up in the South, unaware that he was vulnerable to HIV because no one talked to me about HIV. If you look at the sexual determinants of health,

looking at your education, the environment in which people live, their access to health care, whether they have money sexual health determinants of health, looking at your education, the environment in which people live in, their access to healthcare, whether they have money or not to be able to afford insurance, to be able to get tested or see a doctor. Some of these things were not available to me as a black person living with HIV, as a black person growing up in the South.

And that should say that it's almost like saying that everybody's living equally and we're not. And I'm just letting you know that there are communities of people, particularly black and brown communities that are it legally safe for them to do that. Although it's required, it is not legally safe to do it because you run the risk of being in prison with a felony and in some instances being on the sex offender's resume, which makes your life even harder on top of the daily struggle that you have to live to just be productive and maintain your livelihood. And all we're asking for, and I think most people in this country are asking for a better quality of life, you know, do not take our health care away. You know, do not defund the programs and things that we need so that we can stay healthy and live a meaningful life and be productive. Most people live with HIV need support. We want support. We want to be able to share

our status with people But the world the society in which we live in especially in this country the compassion is gone There is no compassion today The greatest manifestation of stigma is enshrined in the law and those laws are still here today But luckily through our advocacy we've been able to get some of those things changed Luckily through our advocacy we've been able to get some of those things change Um, we have at least five states that have repealed their laws and we have other states that How do you do that do you appeal to the legislature do you appeal to individual members legislature and try to get bills passed

And how have you been able to do that? Absolutely. Well one uh, you form a coalition together, people of like-minded who stand behind this issue. And we've been able to get coalitions established since 2012 in this work of HIV decriminalization. We actually just had our sixth installment of HIV is not a crime training academy. And through that academy, we've been able to bring people living with HIV from across the country,

including our allies, people who work in public health, lawyers, academics, and just a broader HIV community and LGBT community as well. We come together and we figure out how laws are implemented, how they're enacted in various states across the country. And we figured out a strategy as to finding a legislative champion who believes in what we believe and recognize and support science and the facts around HIV and HIV science and recognize the injustice of HIV colonization.

And through that work, we work hand in hand with through the legislative advocacy as well as educating people on the ground and we all come together and look at this and so yes we do find a legislative champion who will champion our cause and through their influence and the process that goes on in the legislature we we are there to make sure to advocate, to testify, bringing in personal stories of people who have been impacted, to help people really see the human side of this issue, because that's what's missing. People learning about HIV criminalization through the media, through law enforcement, who talks about the people. But rarely do

you ever hear from the person who's been impacted, sharing. And so that is very important in this work. And I can't stress the science, the advances in science. It's real. We have data to back it up from the Williams Institute. There's various state reports that show how HIV is enforced in various states. And so we've been very fortunate since 2012, since I've been involved in this work to bring awareness and also to change laws. The governor just signed a law in Maryland. We had a

law change in North Dakota, as well as New Jersey and in Illinois and Texas. I think they repealed their law back in 1994, if I'm'm not mistaken and so we know that this is possible and that has been done by both sides both democrats and republicans and so it's you know sure There's you know, hope that people do really see this for what it really is and are really trying to Make a change in the world Thank you so much for joining us today and for sharing this journey that you're on. Tell us where you want people to go. I want people to follow the Elizabeth Taylor AIDS Foundation.

Go to their website. You can find a lot of stories from people who've been impacted. I want people to follow the partners in this HIV is not a crime initiative, the Health Not Prisons Collective, which is the CERU project, Positive Women's Network, Transgender Law Center, the U.S. People with HIV Caucus, as well as the Pauly Federation, as well as the Williams Institute. So there's places for people to go if you're the professional, the policy person, or even if you're the community person. There's lots of information out there today.

And you can always reach out to me. You can find me on social media if you have any questions. I'm happy to talk one or one or two groups. And I would ask people to support us, support us in this work by talking about this issue. As I said earlier, you care about this HR e-commonization, just don't know it yet. And I hope that I've at least given you some insights

as to why this should be important to you. Appreciate it. Go to Subtle Points, this should be important to you. Appreciate it. Go to subtle points. That's where you can follow him on X and we appreciate you being here and rolling with all of our technical problems, Robert. Appreciate it. Thank you so much.

Thank you so much. You got it. And coming up for us. Yes. Somebody on Rumble or Caleb on Rumble said that sometimes you sit so still he thinks that the camera is frozen. I had to keep checking.

Yeah, because, oh, you're Caleb. Let there be light said, poke him with a stick. Somebody named Caleb said that. He's on the other side of this camera. I know, I know. So, okay, what's coming up for us? Let's go over the upcoming guests, if you don't mind. There we go.

Tomorrow, Anoushka Djojou, I will have to find out how to pronounce her name. Emily Hagan coming in to talk a little F-steen. Alex Stein, noon on Friday's special show. The rest of it, DC Dreino, I think is on the 11th, and I can't see anything else, because we- Dr. Vibeck Manneke is coming in. Manneke.

Say that three times fast. I can't see anything else, because theak, Manakee's coming in. Manakee, how do you say that? Say that three times fast. I can't see anything else because the camera is, we had to move the camera. Salty Cracker. Yeah, our camera was out too. Salty Cracker coming back, hallelujah. Get him back, rolled up, get him rolling here. Hey Caleb, how do you like the lower camera for Drew?

I like it. It's a different shot, isn't it? I like it because it worked. Okay, we, Yeah, exactly. Well, yeah, we only have four cameras here. We can figure it out, but I don't know. There's a ghost in here. Well, I just liked the fact

that everything's working again now. So we went, every once in a while, we have to go through this little exercise. We have to check all of our technical standings. Well, there's more people watching now, so maybe we should do another show while we're here. Well, let me remind everybody that- Yeah, everybody's loading in.

That V-Shred MD stuff again, I am big on longevity now, and I've got these two products I'm very excited about. We don't have the affiliate link yet. That's fine, put up there, Caleb, what the website is they can go to, it's NRBoost, and that is the PQQ, which is a very important mitochondrial support system for your muscles, and nicotinamide riboside, which is the PQQ, which is a very important mitochondrial support system for your muscles and nicotinamide riboside, which is the main,

let me talk, main way to address the issue of oxidative stress on cells. I believe that entropy reasserts it. We're not frozen. I thought we were frozen too. All right, look at that website. You'll see it all there. Check it out.

We've got a long lengthy bit of information for you to check out. We appreciate it. Is there anybody who wants to interact with anything? I know there's more people watching now than there were. Let me quickly, is anybody asking questions? I think you missed the show, but you can go watch it again later.

It comes in two parts today. The people are, where are they now? Are they on the restream or are they? On Rumble. Rumble, okay, let me go over to the Rants and see what you guys are. What are where are they now? Are they on the the restream or they rumble? Rumble. Okay. Let me go over to the rants and see what you guys are. What are they talking about there? I don't know. What do you guys want to talk about? I can't go to it because I'm not signed in or something.

It was down again. There was an interesting comment that someone had left on rumble that you might find interesting. I'm going to put it up on screen. So it's from Black Dingo. And he asked everyone, here he says, everyone is freaking out about this, but how else do you prove definitively that the mRNA platform is inherently dangerous

other than having a placebo trial? Which is interesting. That's an interesting way of thinking because how do we know that the whole platform itself, all mRNA, do we know that yet? Or is it just the COVID mRNA? No, we don't know that. Okay.

We don't know that. All we know is that all we really know, there's speculation about the lipid nanoparticle. And certainly Naomi Wolf is very hot on that being an issue because it accumulates various places. But a lot of things accumulate in various places and they're never having a really medically relevant influence on us. But the spike protein we know is pathogenic and that's the part I object to. And in certain individuals, it's clear that using that mRNA platform

creates uncontrolled production of the spike protein that persists and we have major, major problems with that. And all the people, you know, Johns Hopkins, somebody told me this morning, it says the whole department said, it's dedicated to long COVID. The reality is you can't tell any longer what is long COVID and what is long vaccine

because everybody has had both. Everybody's had the vaccine, everybody's had long COVID, everybody's had COVID, and when people get long-term symptoms, they have to really work hard to sort these things out. Except to say, last week we talked to a doctor who had a cohort of patients who had never had COVID. He knew that because they had no nucleocapsid protein.

They only had the excess spike and the coagulopathy is associated with that. They're clotting, the endothelium is inflamed, and they were having lots of long-term problems. So there, and he had a lot of solutions. You can listen to that show from Thursday. That was kind of interesting. There's still people struggling this,

you know, you can go to COVIDlonghaulers.com. They also are trying to work. There's no definitive systematic treatment, but there are a lot of good ideas out there. And most of it is around trying to dissolve the spike protein, trying to reduce the risk and the burden in the brain and the so-called non-classical monocytes

and deal with the coagulation issues that have resulted from it. All right, we're going to wrap up here. Caleb, anything else on your front? Oh, I'm just very grateful that we have Starlink because I was able to bond it together and get us back online right away. We got to figure out what happened.

Oh, is Starlink the reason things are working so well? Yeah, that's why it's, well, on my side at least, that's why it's working and getting through any glitches. So we need to get Starlink and your internet connection on your side bonded together like mine so it automatically switches over. My internet connection's fine today. It wasn't my end.

I think it was your end. But just, I am so grateful for Starlink. Thank you for putting up all the satellites. I have the Starlink set up here ready to go if we have to plug it in. Yeah, we do. It's true. So we're going to have to run here. We thank you so much for being here.

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