Ask Dr. Drew - Massie Names 14 Epstein Co-Conspirators + Day 4 Of The Lindsay Clancy Jury Deadlock w/ Dave Rubin – Ep 661

Episode Date: September 2, 2026

Rep. Thomas Massie read 14 names into the record on the House floor, identifying them as Epstein co-conspirators. Among the names: David Copperfield, Tom Pritzker, Leon Black, Frederic Fekkai. Dave Rubin returns LIVE to discuss the latest Epstein releases, the jury in the Lindsay Clancy case entering day 4 of deadlocked deliberations, and GSK’s plan to launch a Phase 3 trial for mRNA-based flu vaccines. Then pollster Rich Baris, director of Big Data Poll and host of Inside the Numbers with the People’s Pundit, discusses the midterms and the data behind his new book with Joshua Lisec “Burn It Down: What the Polls Say Young Americans Really Want.” Baris says his polling shows a generation that does not want to reform American institutions but replace them, and that commentators calling Gen-Z “more conservative” are reading the numbers wrong. Dave Rubin is the creator and host of The Rubin Report, with over two billion views and more than three million subscribers worldwide. Rubin founded Locals, a subscription-based platform acquired by Rumble in 2021. He is a New York Times bestselling author of Don’t Burn This Book and Don’t Burn This Country, and launched Copal 22 Reposado Tequila in 2025. Follow at https://x.com/RubinReport Rich Baris is the director of Big Data Poll and host of Inside the Numbers with the People’s Pundit. He is the only national and state pollster to correctly forecast Donald J. Trump’s 2016 win with 306 electoral votes, and was again the most accurate national pollster of 2024, projecting Trump’s 312-vote win. Follow at https://x.com/Peoples_Pundit 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • BIOPRO - BioPro+® is a natural formula of growth factors and peptides that support how you look, feel & perform. Learn more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/biopro⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rich Barris will be with me in a few minutes. He is the director of Big Data Poll. The only pollster predicted the 2016 Trump victory, and he's been one of the more accurate pollsters of 2024. His new book with Joshua Lysak is called Strangely, Burn It Down. His polling says that next generation does not want to reform the system. They want to burn it down. I'm anxious to talk to him about that.

But first, the great Dave Rubin. I'm in Rubin's studio here, where this morning I welcomed him back after his month of sojourn. billion views, three million subscribers. It is Rumble acquired in his locals, which he founded in 2021. New York Times bestselling author. His books, strangely are don't burn this book and don't burn this country. He is with me. And we got a lot to talk about. Something he and I didn't talk about earlier on his show, Thomas Massey put a bunch of names on the record today as it pertains to the Epstein, the Epstein files and his co-conspirators. Talk a little bit about Lindsay Clancy and

about what's going on with men and women, and we're gonna explain why this is an important in toy today after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this, he was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin,

ridiculous five months, I'm a doctor for a say, where the hell you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician, I observe things about these chemicals, but just deal with what's really. We used to get these calls on Loveland all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat.

You have trouble, you can't stop and you want to help stop it. I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. The studio today, you can follow him on X Rubin Report with an I-N-R-U-B-I-N. He's of course the founder and host of Rubin Report. The books are, don't burn this book. Don't burn this country, in spite of my later guest being, burn it all down.

Dave Rubin and this toy will talk about it in a minute. Welcome. Thank you for letting me host to you in this. in your studio. Well, thank you for hosting my comeback. You sort of eased me into the world, which I'm still a little uneasy being back, but you've eased me in, I didn't miss too much. So let me explain to my, if you didn't watch the Rubin report today for my people out

there, Dave has been off the grid for a month, the whole month of August. He's got a lot to report to us about what that's like and how healthy that is. And today he comes back and he has to re-enter. her reality has to be exposed to all the news that's fit to print, so to speak, and those that even isn't. And things like the Lindsay Clancy case and AOC and her egg freezing, and Peter Collin and this. Why is this important to you? Oh, God. Well, you know, you caught me up on, so I had no news, no information. If you can transform that thing fully, I will be very, very impressive.

And if you break it, I'm going to have to take it out. That's my original from 1980 for here. Wow. I'll transform it for you. So this is Soundwave, of course. who transformed into a very futuristic cassette player rendered obsolete by 1985. His head broke off, it's here somewhere. And this is in here.

He's really banged up, as you can see. If he'll come out, we've got his cassette tape. Look at that, his cassette tape. And get this, Drew, he transforms into a panther. That is cool. His name is ravaged. That's what we were doing in the 80s. But the reason that this is sort of applicable

to some of the things we're going to be talking about today, We talked a bit about play, which I hope we can get into later as a place. I want to talk about next. First, the voice. But the voice, so Peter Cullen, who is the voice of the original Optimist Prime, you did have the unfortunate task of telling me that he passed away in August. And just, you know, just one of these like legendary people that probably not so many people know but to a certain set of people of a certain age was just a true legend.

And he did a gazillion voices and Winnie the Pooh and he just did all sorts of stuff for decades and decades but this is my original most people don't get to touch that you should consider it's one thing to let you use my studio that's like an easy live for me you're gonna play with my transformers that's I didn't ask even I you kept picking it up when you had it on the desk before you started the live stream and I was like what's he doing what's he gonna be careful with my transformer but yeah there we had a few losses while you were gone Dolly Parton yeah the Hidden Penton Cherry Peter Cullen but you mentioned

play. I thought you had some really interesting insights while you were away. You were away in Greece. Yeah. So we took, I was off for a month and I had some time with some of my old childhood friends doing a 50th birthday retreat in Vegas. Then David and I were away for 10 days, just the two of us in Greece, then got to take my kids back to my parents' house for the first time because everyone always wants to visit Florida. So they went to my parents' house, the house that I grew up in since 1979, that to take my kids there, for the first time at four years old and have them playing in the basement

with quite literally my toys that I was playing with when I was four years old was just as a father. It was like unbelievably affirming and it was just real. You know, it just felt real while like this is what it's about. Well then you watched Toy Story Five and that drove some of this home. So then to connect this, we only watch two movies all months and they happened to be really about what I was doing,

being off the grid, one of them was Toy Story 5, which just came out, I think it's still in theaters. We watched the, you know, on Apple TV, and it's really about the struggle that kids and parents have between devices and screens versus toys and play. And one of the lines that I really loved in the movie was one of the toys is in effect saying to the others, ah, you know, she, the kid is playing with the screen,

so it's okay, it's like an iPad, She's playing with it. And the other one goes, that's not play. That's a game. That's a game there, rules, whatever. Play is what she does with us, imagination, pretend, all of these things that you can do with your friends and enter this other world.

And we've so really lost that. And then of course the other movie that I watched was Wally, which is really just the kind of Disney dystopian version of what could happen to all of us as we automate our lives and put, you know, well, you have a screen right in front of you. And there's a screen right there. they're quite literally around us.

So it was something that I was very aware of during this little period off the grid of that you don't have to get back to play per se. But we better get back to some imagination and thinking about things in new ways and not just being part of this stiff system that's constantly feeding us. I think though you're making a point

about using your hands and doing things in real space. And I was just reading something yesterday about Winston Churchill. One of the ways he dealt with his depression He's he went out and laid bricks every evening. Do you know this? I didn't know this about him. I didn't know that, but I don't know if it's true or not,

but there's a picture of him laying bricks. And it seemed like a real picture, although we learned today, if you watch the room reports, you'll see Dave with the Golden Girls, with Cosby, and with Kramer, or AI can create anything now. You can do anything with AI.

But that type of thing doesn't surprise me, whether it's fully true or not, that Churchill maybe at night wanted to work with bricks or something. Like, we all know this, Like sort of when you're really, when you're doing something else. In the world.

Not just engage in your own mind. Yeah. Corolla says this all the time. He says this all the time. He keeps saying people that are like, when he goes to car shows, these guys are mechanics and into driving guards, they're not talking about stuff you and I talk about it.

They're not worried about it. They're not having crazy ideas that, you know, so many people have these days. They're in reality, so it keeps them grounded in some way that doesn't, you know, going to a certain university, takes you into outer space in terms of ideology,

not if you're building a car. Right, well it also probably allows their brain to go to places that if you're just constantly in your head, in the intellectual world, always doing intellectual pursuit, something like that, you almost can't get out of it in some sense, where if you're doing something, if you're doing some sort of what you might describe

as like a mundane task, saying laying brick or something like that, your mind doesn't have to be fully in that the entire time. It can start dancing in a different way, or the way, I mean, if you think about it, 20 years ago, or 30 years ago now before the phones, like if you were going to meet a friend for dinner and you lived in New York City,

okay, meet me on Broadway and 34. Well, eight o'clock, if he wasn't there, she wasn't there till 8.15, you had to just stand there and wait. And you didn't know where they were, you didn't know what was going on, but you'd people watch, whatever you might do, wander into a store, you might talk to a stranger.

We've eliminated all of the sort of nothing spaces in our lives, and I think that is also leading to a lot of things that you talk about all the time related to anxiety and just people's inability to communicate properly with each other and connect and all the rest of that. I agree, anxiety depression, anxiety depression, it's out of control.

But I wanna, something we did not have a chance to talk about in your show today because it was happening as we were talking. Was Tom Massey presented in the Congress 14 names of what he called, EFSI and co-conspirators. I don't recognize almost any of these names. I don't know why it's so,

important. He kept saying, am I right that he kept saying he had a bombshell to drop? He had these names that have to be, and I'm going to tell them one day. And now he's told them and I'm like, who is this? Right. I see David Copperfield. Yep, the magician, David Copperfield. I see. Les Wexner. Who? Les Wexner. Lex Wexner. I see Lex Wexner. I see Lex Wexner. He lived on the same floor or something. That's it. Jean-Lucneau. I guess I've heard of that name. Prince Andrew. Okay, got that.

That's it. Those are the only names I know. Well, what does he mean by? So obviously, I've been MIA, so I don't know what he's transpired over the last little bit, but co-conspirators in that they were working with him in a trafficking operation? Is that what the claim is? Or that they're just attached to this somehow? Attached to him.

And I think what he's saying, I think, they were in the files but not named, or they were redacted or something and he goes, I'm gonna, he's been talking about this for a while. I'm gonna tell you who's in the file. Okay man, you did it. Poor David, oh, Tom Pritzker, should we know who that is? No, I know J.B. Pritzker. Yeah, I don't know Tom Pritzker.

So anyway, here we are, there they are. I guess people are gonna be upset with people if they're related to them or they're involved. I don't understand this story, why it keeps going and going and going, and it's big in Europe. Yeah. Do you understand why? Well, my position on this has been sort of the same from the beginning.

And by the way, I better qualify because the people are accused me of not caring. This is a horrible story, profound for the people that were perpetrated against. No excuse, nothing good about it. To the fact that our government was involved in any way is vomit, disgusting. But it's all out and we don't, I don't know. Well, that's sort of what I was going to say, in that anyone that there's evidence that they actually committed a crime against the child, or they trafficked the child, or any of that,

of course, it's not even worth saying it's obvious, right? So there's that part of it, and it seems like a lot of the anger around it has to do with the fact that that really hasn't happened. We've got Giselle, Maxwell in jail, but beyond that, there really haven't been people that paid for this. So it's like, if you have the queen of the thing in jail,

well, who were the perpetrators, that she was moving the children or whatever it was too. So there's a, frustration around that, I think partly why it's gotten so messy though is that when people just release these names of lists or flight logs or this or that, so you see Bill Gates was on this one or anyone that you just mentioned there, your name being on a list of a flight doesn't mean you did anything. And part of what a sophisticated honeypot operation, which is

what most people think this was, probably from various intelligence organizations, a sophisticated honeypot, you don't need everybody to do the horrible things. You would bring in some people that were just, oh, I'm going to have dinner with this famous person or this prince or whatever. And did they see anything or not seeing anything or whatever? So it's just freaking messy. It feels to me like it's like the perfect, it's got all the markings of everything

that's kind of wrong with the internet. You know what I mean? There's innuendo, there's like a horrible truth somewhere in it. There's rumor, there's can we destroy people? There's just every piece of everything. I think that's why nobody can get a full assessment of what's going on. You know what I'm realizing also as you as you're

described, I think you're right, because I talked to a high profile person who was approached by someone who tried to get him to have dinner with Epstein. And the guy himself was a substantial person. I don't think anybody's even been named in any of this stuff yet. And he goes, I'll tell you what,

I'll bring Woody Allen. Don't, what they say about him is just not true. Woody will be there and Epstein, I'll be there, you'll really enjoy the conversation. And it leads me to think, oh, there must have been a ton of useful idiots. Right. What's been useful idiots all over the place.

People who wanted to be adjacent to fame, adjacent to money, adjacent to whatever. To me, all of that is the same shit that infected Anthony Fauci that compromise his judgment. He got famous. That's interesting, right. He got famous, and it just activated him, and he was going. People don't know how to manage that. Right. So then part of the question would be, could you get invited to a party?

You don't, you know, even if you don't see it, you don't do anything, you don't partake anything. Yeah. Maybe you, I don't know, look the other way, or that you feel like there's something a little weird here, but then you're just invited and you're around all these cool things and you're going to these islands, like, and you don't really know, and you're not a private investigator.

That's why it's all just very messy. I think it's worth reiterating again that obviously, both of us would, anyone that did sign, that there's videotape, off with their heads, evidence, audio, something. Yeah. But, you know, just, I'd know,

other list of names. I don't know what, I don't know what he's doing. You know, he's also on his way out. I get that. He lost his election, so he's only got limited time left. And he may have political reasons that he's doing this or grudges to hold or whatever, you know. You know, also what you were saying about these perpetrators

reminds you of something that Susan and I were talking about last night, a couple nights ago, which we were watching that, this is totally new subject, so prepare yourself. This is, I've not discussed this anyway, It's been a thought experiment for a couple days now. This housewives on TLC who are only fans creators, these group of women are in this little community and they're all getting completely destroyed.

One's a daughter of a pastor, and she's getting kicked out of the church. It's just devastating their lives. Oh, not the TV show Housewives. You're talking about there's a group of literal housewives. Housewives of Suburbia. Housewives of Suburbia is called her something, and it's about these women who are only fans creators.

And they all have multiple kids. They started, once they got, we noticed it, once they got the four kids, they were in real financial trouble, and they just said, I could, say they've heard of somebody making a bunch of money, so they try it, they make a bunch of money, and they keep going.

And then in this show, for whatever reason they agreed to do this show, they're coming out. It's starting to get loose, that they're out there, and two of them were teachers, and they got fired, and big mess, big mess. But that's not the point of this conversation. Susan has something very interesting,

which I, which I think. I don't have a mic. You don't have a mic? Go ahead. Go ahead. You tell them if I misrepresent what you're saying. She said, you know, she'd been saying for years that this is getting normalized. It's going to be normalized.

She used to say, every mom in the PTA is going to have a porn site or something. That's what's happening. But she said something against. She goes, you know, the women suffer for this. They're doing it for the men, the men are the consumers, and they're completely have no, get nothing for it. for it. So you're saying that's the same sort of concept as the people that were probably doing some of the consumers of...

Yeah, whatever it is, the men tend to get away with it because they remain anonymous essentially. I don't know what to do with that. I mean, I guess you could make people sign up for things or something or... Well, I mean, in the case of the only fans, I mean, as long as everyone's of age, then no one's doing anything. Yeah, but the women are paying a huge price. They're paying the societal cost for taking part in some of the only thing. Yes, that's for the man who's the consumer.

Right, the man is the consumer. I mean, I don't know, do you want the man's name to be released? No, I don't want anything. I know you're not asking for that, but like, what are we really saying? Unless you're going to make it illegal to partake in these things as an adult, then people are going to consume it. I guess what you're talking about really is you don't like the fact that the women who are in essence doing the quote-unquote work, that they're being shamed,

but that's just part of society, right? Well, just, but I think women have been the keepers of civilization. Right. And when they start to go in a certain direction, society reacts to it. You know what I mean? If the matriarch of every family is suddenly also doing porn, it probably starts, and if you believe that family is the basic building block of Western society, which it is, there's probably some inherent problem there.

And by the way, my experience has been these relationships always fall apart. It's too much. The women start to get disgusted with men or they're tired or they're resentful or whatever it is, it starts to decay their relationship. And then when their kids find out, that's when they stop. Well, that's the crazy part, right? Like, you could think, okay, we're struggling financially and you got to do what you got to do, and everyone's had struggles and all that. The idea that the kids find out, you know, imagine, imagine you're the mom of a teenage son and your son's friends find this out. Of course. Can you imagine? They're going to go nuts with

it, of course. I'm looking on the restream now to see if anybody's commenting about this, because it's such a challenging topic. Nope. So the mens of my stream go, testosterone makes me do stuff. Yes, that's the point of all this. Right, well there's, look, there's always gonna be consumers for all of this stuff.

And I guess the, well look, the question really, I suppose, is that anyone that partakes in this stuff for money, and I'm not even making a judgment call on that, how, well, you maybe know some numbers on this. Like, what percentage of these people actually walk out, not addicted to drugs, or feeling like what they did was right. No, no, it has a, right?

Well, this is an interesting, an interesting thing, which is that it takes, I'm gonna describe it in the simplest way I can. It takes a toll on their soul. They pay a price, spiritual price, emotional price. Is that more do you think for women than men? My guess would be yes, yes, yes, for sure. But there, and it's not just because of the societal pressures.

they end up feeling bad about themselves and about men. Do you think there's any chance it'll change because of the ubiquitousness of the internet now that like 30 years ago, if you wanted porn or something, like you had to pick up a Playboy magazine at a store or whatever? Where now it's just everywhere, so it's been so normalized that in a weird way maybe some of the stigma associated with less in, I guess that's the point. So it'll be every moment. I'm not sure that'll have, it's so deep in us, I'm not sure.

But it does go to this issue about men and women. And what I'm seeing right now, and I just saw Nick Fritoss on Tim Poole saying exactly what I told you at lunch, which is that he said, you know, men, this Lindsey Clancy case, which we're gonna review a little bit after the break, was so jarring to men that they are just out.

They are just, they were already being mistreated they felt. They were not seeing anything for them in marriage because they killed. kill themselves to support a woman and that she gets to walk away with half. And they're seeing all this stuff online, women go, I'm just not into it anymore, so I'm leaving and gets half his worldly goods and the kids. And they're just out now. It's really, they're fleeing.

And men have a tendency to withdraw. You know, we were talking about how two men together works very well these days, statistically. Well, you were telling me the stats on divorce rates, and it's very low for gay married men. And very high for gay married women. There seems to be a women issue here. And I don't know if that's a woman in the present world, given all the stressors on women, and what we're telling, how we're rearing women to be everything all the time, or if it's always something like that.

I don't know. I don't know. But I do think we've got to take care of this. We need to do something about this. And women are going to be very unhappy. And I think at the core of the unhappiness is not paying attention to their instinctive needs. They're being told to ignore anything, any genuine feelings they have. ignore it well that gets us to something else that we discussed this morning

which maybe you want to hit on nor we can discuss later about but about the aOC freezing egg I do want to talk about that or I'll tell you what we'll take a little break and when we come back at Caleb let's do it this way let's come back with the video and where aOC is freezing her eggs because I want to make one point about that in addition to she doesn't even need a man she's broken up with her then that's makes it allows her to go ascend to the presidency potentially and then we're gonna talk about the Lindsey Kent Clancy case okay and then I'll

I'll let you go. Well, you know, wait, just real quick before you go to break, it didn't even hit me. Do we know that it's his sperm? The guy that she just broke up with or do we even know who sperm is? She's not making embryos. She's just freezing her. Oh, just freezing her. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which a good question. I just went down a whole other way. No, no, because the embryos, she's more likely to be successfully implanted embryo than fertilize an egg that's frozen. Got it, got it. So if she were smart, yes, she would find somebody to fertilize those eggs. Back up to this. So as the age, most men notice that they're not getting the same.

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You could. Wait do you see his bathroom. You're going to have bathroom envy in a minute. All right. So before the break, I was talking about this AOC video that you and I looked at on your show today as part of your re-entry deconditioning. But I wanted to revisit it again here for just big one point. Let's look at it right now if you don't mind.

everyone Deco and I day one of freezing my eggs let's see all of this medicine here don't be weird about this even though I know all of you won't be okay that wasn't so bad so the point is that you made during the show which was perfect which is why is she freezing her eggs we have two years before the world comes to an end right to her I mean this is quite literally a woman that 10 years ago told us the world has 12 years to go. And has not backed off of that. This is somewhat ridiculous planning by her. That's one part. Putting aside that

somewhat silly part, although I guess it's not silly in some sense. No, it's not silly. It's not silly in that for these people that are constantly, everything's hysterical. Yes. You know, America's collapsing. End of the world. The world. End of the world. Yeah. So, right. So there's that. Right. Putting aside that part, that's

sort of like a macro thing. On a micro thing within her own life, what I would be more curious. First of up, she has every right to do it. I have no problem with freezing eggs. We talked about IVF and a few other things earlier today. What I'm more interested in, and maybe this is just because I'm off, just coming from off the grid,

is the desire to put all of these things out in the public. Like, there's no problem with what she did right there. I have no ethical or moral or any other problem with it. But what is the need to make everything public? That seems to me to be a bigger condition here than maybe whatever else she's suffering from political. Although she wasn't part of that,

generation but the generation right behind her is doing they don't doesn't happen if it doesn't happen on their phone right right it just doesn't exist right right so she may be playing into that and now she's the frontrunner and the Democratic candidates for a presidency she has broken up with her ex-fiancee of many years and and and she knows she's a strange woman look the armchair quarterback version of it would be in that she broke up with the boyfriend what you told me two days before two days after something like that that basically she was like, all right, I'm not, she came to this realization, this isn't the guy,

I've been with this guy for so long, I'm 35ish years old, these eggs have maybe a seven year shelf life still. I don't even know, at 35, but I don't get that doubt, it's not great. It's not great, right? So, okay, you got a couple years left. So I can understand why she would want to do it if she wants children in the future,

but to me the real messaging she's giving to people, particularly young women is career, career, career, career, She's clearly saying my career is the most important thing. She clearly wants to be president of the United States, which is a notion that is so profoundly absurd that I think we should just leave it at that. But that's the subtle, that's the reason to do it publicly. Like I'm AOC, everyone loves me, I'm famous, I'm powerful,

and I'm going for more power. I'll get to this later. But as you brought up earlier today, either they don't often get to it later, or they really regret it, or it's too late, or a series of. or a series of other things. Yeah. No, I mentioned you a book, a woman wrote,

she went out in the early 90s to interview all the most successful women in the country to find out what they had in common, and she told me I couldn't find anything except one thing. They were all childless, and they were all pissed. Because they were told they could do it whenever they wanted, and of course, it just doesn't work like that. Right.

It's really, that's just a fundamental difference between men and women. And by the way, you can freeze embryos. They're much more likely to do well. I mean, do that. commit to somebody, do embryos, and then have the pregnancy when you want. Right, and she may be happy that she didn't do that if she doesn't want to be with this guy. Like, you know, we can do all the personal reasons around all of that.

But it does seem that it is fundamentally more important as a general rule that women become mothers than men become fathers. That's not to dismiss fatherhood in any way whatsoever. But that somehow a fundamental part of the female experience, in almost every case, it's weird they even have to talk about this in a kind of like careful way, because it's kind of obvious, is being a mother is fundamentally part of that. And it's not to say it's not about a father,

but men have ways to be distracted more or just. So going right out, this was the Lindsay Can't Clancy case. I had to tell you about this horrible thing. This is just, yeah, a woman kills, you know, she's in a psychotic state, allegedly, she's kind of late in her pregnant, in a postpartum period, it's only transiently, she seems to be planning it,

She seems to know she's doing something wrong, which she strangles her three kids. The husband, everyone was to blame the husband for it. They said, I'm saying he did it. The video is out, by the way, where he finds his kids, and the people that have heard said it was a level of anguish they'll never forget. The screaming.

So it's like home video that was leaving? So he's on the phone with 911 and he finds the kids while he's on, and it's just, you can't even imagine. So please stop it with the husband thing, but the whole phenomenon, that women tell me I'm bad, I have nothing to offer them, the marriage is a bad deal for me,

and now she can kill my kids, and then blame it on me. It's like, I don't think I wanna do, they're just out, they're fleeing, and Nick Fritas brought this up today, I said on Tim Poole, and I think he's right, I think I'm seeing it all over the place, and it is very concerning.

So again, I'm just getting caught up on this. Before you get, make your comments, the jury came, back today as no decision they're a hung jury judge sent them back to do more deliberation my prediction is hung jury okay so so get me caught up to speed a little bit more here because i can understand postpartum depression yeah try to walk me through what the what do you think the psychology of a woman that is defending her is real because it sounds like there's an awful lot of women and i sent a few texts during lunch today to just get caught up from a few people i know and

people are telling me that even conservative women are supporting her that seems particularly odd. Yes, it's O.J. Simpson. Think about that. They are identifying with her as how profoundly difficult child rearing is, and the

peripartum biology is overwhelming, which it is. The depressions I've seen, the euphoria I've seen, the psychoses I've seen, wilder than anything else in the human experience. No one's fault. It's just the biology that

comes befalls them. And so they're sort of raising awareness, like I have suffered with this, I've suffered with it alone, I thought I was impaired, I thought of harming my kids, I've been guilty about that for years, and now, oh, we're talking about this, so we're gathering as women to support one who took it too far. It's not okay.

There's nothing okay about any of this. Yeah, it's rough. There's so much there in a very, very twisted manner. I mean, as I said to you earlier, Even if you grant all of that. I'm not denying any of the biological and emotional reasons that women go through this or, so you go with all of that is what you would want,

forget you or they're a woman or a man as a human being, is that someone should murder, be able to murder their children and then walk away for whatever the reason might be. Again, not dismissing any of that stuff. You want people to be able to walk away or you want to applaud that woman? Or it sounds like she's gotten over

a million dollars in funding right now for the lawsuit. That is a dangerous path. Isn't it interesting that I just talked about how women are being encouraged to ignore their fundamental instincts or the little voice inside that usually would guide you and your choices? I'm wondering if that's suppressing some of the moral sensibilities too.

And I'm not accusing anybody of anything. I'm just saying when you think about the horrors of this case, your moral sensibility goes, something's gotta be done here or something. But if you then turn that around to, oh no, we celebrate this woman, that is not morally, there's more, my sensibilities get violated,

even if it's rational. Right, so in essence what you're saying is they're trying to, they want their own guilt around the thoughts that they had. I think so. A certain percentage of them. A lot, it's common. So a certain percentage of them want their own guilty thoughts.

And their misery, and their misery that they had with it. Whatever that is, that combination of stuff. They want that sort of excise. They want that expunge from them, and they see her as the vehicle for that. But it's the most extreme example of it

that went the wrong. It's crossed into territory that's no longer the territory they're in, and I don't think they realize that. And so it's a kind of a narcissism, which is like, feel my pain, feel my pain, but you're not really thinking about the three children and what happened here

and the implications of supporting this. Where's the sympathy and empathy for the children? For the kids. And for the husband. Okay. There's something kind of really interesting here. Because you can say the same thing about the unborn fetus. Where is the sympathy for that?

But by the same token, you can also say, well, what is the moral imperative for one human to dedicate their lives to another human? What is that, where is that line? Is there a line? Do you have to, if a helicopter drops down, takes you away, Dave, and said, we're hooking you up to another gentleman over here and only you can save him and you're going to have to lay here for nine months? Then you can let go of him after that if you want. But nine months, you're going to have to lie right here because only you can save him. Yeah.

Is there imperative? That's loosely the plot to Mad Max Fury Road. But he's a blood bag that gets hooked up to keep this other guy alive. No, fair enough. Yeah. No, well look, that's why the debates around things like abortion particularly always degenerate usually into yelling and screaming because because you can have a philosophic position, you can have a personal position, you can have a scientific position.

And there's a moral sensibility. And there's a moral sensibility. And a moral senseability, not even more, because moral should be logical, but sometimes there's a sensibility in there's a feeling. So all of those things could be completely disconnected, right? You could be a perfectly rational person and have a philosophic belief that is different than what scientific truth is. Yes, for sure.

Sperm meets an egg, you have a blastocyst for a couple, what, three days, and then you have the cells that are reproducing, and then, okay, so when do you want to, we need to, it has to be life at some point, so you don't want your philosophic part to overrule your scientific, where they can come in conflict, and then it's your job as a rational human being to try to piece together a worldview that is cohesive. And then when does technology, for now we can make it survive at 22 weeks, but maybe one It'll be 12 weeks. Who knows?

I mean, yeah. Yeah, it's really tough territory. I don't, by the way, I don't engage in this topic for that reason. Yeah. Because I just think it's just unsolvable. Well, clearly we're going to have to be talking about this for the next little while. Well, we have to talk about the impact on women and the impact on their relationships. And men are fleeing.

Men are going to, for the first time in my career, I'm hearing men talk about prostitutes and about them going to other countries to find partners. It's very sad. Yeah. It makes me very sad. I mean, look, that also feels to me like a bit of an offshoot of the online thing, right? Like you can even just dating online where you would atomize everything to the point that before you have a first date with someone, you would already know all their favorite music, all of their favorite movies, all the places they've traveled.

We've just taken away the human part of so many things and it's going to be, well, it's going to be every thinking person's job to kind of put some of that back together. Unless AI takes the thinking away too. Oh, man, we're in trouble. Here we go. I'm only back, I'll be back for six hours here. Come on. Yeah.

Can we end on something more lighthearted? Oh, you didn't like we've been talking about. How dare you? I don't let him go in this conversation because it's just so dark. Okay. I love you, Dave. Yes. Have you met Royisha?

No. Who is? Royisha. Royisha White. Oh. Oh, he saw a little bit of my video. I saw the video. Do you want to play some of her?

I have not met him or her personally. I'm always happy to revisit Roecia. Sure. Is that what you want, Susan? Yes, yes. Okay, Caleb, is Roesha handy? Yeah, I'd like to play... It's Royisha.

Okay, please also include the part where Roeisha describes Roethe's pronouns. They didn't see that part, so that's... It's a good place. I was trying to think of a way to bring Royce in. Well, I love it. It's another topic that where so many things have gone wacky cuckoo, that these individuals who are identifying as transently trans, female, lesbians, are bringing the logic all the way to bear, including how do I know if somebody's bisexual or by whatever,

by gender, if I don't know what a man or a woman is. We have to start to get really about these things. So here we go. Here is my Roesha former NBA player and is now interested in joining the WNBA. How shall I address you? Well, I'm sometimes identifying as a black trans lesbian. You can call me Roycia. That's my new name. You've dead named me. But it's okay. We go way back, Dr. Drew. So, you know, the people who I know have a good relationship with, I give them some grace on my new name.

And my pronouns are. Yeah. Yeah. No, my pronouns are pay me. I'm wondering if you were being received kindly by the WNBA hierarchy. Well, not so far. I mean, they've almost completely denied my trans existence. And I think that's tantamount to genocide.

It's. I love how he has all the language down perfectly. She, I'm sorry. No, pay. Pay has all the language down. And Pay, Rasha, I also saw one of the coaches. We didn't play this for you during your reentry videos today on your show. But the coach was saying, I'm all about kindness.

I go to the matrim. And she goes, I'm kind, kindness. She's screaming this. And then she goes, you can all F off. Oh, kindness. Fantastic. There's nobody kinder than me as you're throwing the children into the grinder. It's just so insane. You can probably find a bit when the trans thing really went bananas culturally, so maybe six, eight years ago, something like that,

I said exactly what I said to you today, which is the end of it is some washed up NBA player. It's a 38-year-old guy who's averaging a point a game in the NBA, who's got bad knees, who can barely move, who's done. who just says, okay, I am a woman now, and I will be the MVP of the WMBA. And in some sense, that's where this is going. You also showed me the clip of Enos Cantor. And now he sounds like he's going to declare himself eligible. She's pushing it.

She'll be in. My guys just told me, Drew, I wasn't with you for about a half hour. I had a team meeting with my guys. They want me, 50 years old. You know, I have a dislocated AC joint torn knee. I may submit my name to be in the WMBA. I will come to every game. Yeah, I can still shoot.

I can still shoot. They just sold the whole season ticket pass. So, all right. Well, Dave, speaking of season tickets, follow the Ruben Report. Go to the RubenReport.com. Rubenreport. com. R-U-B-I-N.

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Actual Friends, which really was one of the real joys of my last year, in a year where some of my public friends went a little nutty to do that show weekly with you and Jillian, Michael's, and Sage Steel, where we do a lot of the stuff that we're always talking about, but we are actual friends, and we break bread together, and we poke and prod each other the right way and push and pull and just have a great time. And we learn something,

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protecting the 312 vote win. The website, the X feed, the X handle is at People's, just plural people, underscore pundit. Rich, thank you for joining me. So I have so, I'm so curious about what the world looks like to you. Now, one of the things I understand is you're saying that we don't really realize how radical the Gen Z has become. Tell me about that. Yeah, I mean, it's foundational to the book. And it's interesting because one half of this, if you're online a lot like we are, you'll see a lot of people on the right say things like, you know, Gen Z is the most conservative generation for young people we've seen in decades. And that's not really true.

And in fact, you know, they're not getting more liberal. They don't identify as liberal. They misleadingly are identifying as being moderate. But the truth is, when you dig into their views, they're not all that moderate at all, at least not by our standards, right? And by young people, I'd say millennials and down. Do they have an understanding of the foundations of this country, or do they have no idea and are just coming up with new ideas? Listen, I think it's fair to say, and one of the things is studying generations is that we all have these stereotypes about them. And some are fair and some are not. I wouldn't say they're clueless, but to them, it almost doesn't matter because to them, they're seeing our institutions and our norms constantly violated and broken. And you've talked a lot about public health. This has been a huge contributing factor to it if you can't even trust your own doctor or public health officials to tell you the truth.

So they have a very skeptical would be an understatement. They have a very dim view of the world, the dim view of the system. and that includes the Constitution when they watch judges violate it and former presidents try to put future ones in jail. That's really interesting. So my prediction would be that the kids that were exposed to prolonged lockdowns in the ages, age window at the beginning of the lockdown, like 8 to 15. So that would go essentially 8 to 17 back in 2020, or up to 22, let's say. Is that something you're seeing in the data as well, that that experience adulterated them in some way? I think you're on to something.

And it's interesting because even if you go a little bit older than that, just to give people a comparison, millennials, for instance. A lot of people think, you know, Donald Trump, you know, he won this way or that way. I mean, in truth, you know, Donald Trump didn't do that much better with older voters 65 plus at all. The millennial men who got hit with 9-11 fought the wars and then had, you know, when they got, the system, back in the system, like, hit with the recession. And when they started to build themselves back up after that, Trump era, the 1.0 administration, they got smacked with COVID at the end of that. So they're extremely cynical when it comes to that. And they just feel like, you know, they started their life in a hole. And they've got to crawl out of the hole before

they can ever climb up the economic ladder. And with younger people, it's interesting. It's Anyone who's in a position of authority with those age groups that you just said as they were growing up are just the target for brutal memes and conversation. And it's just they'll take that into their political experience. Now, I was not hearing that Gen Z was so conservative. I was hearing that the kids behind them, the Gen Alpha, was sort of more conservative. Is that not true? Well, there are some things that are very positive for the right, and that is things like religious attention. right? But as far as just ideological tests that you've seen from Gallup or Pew, and we do it too,

because it's in every exepole, every election, where you ask people if they're liberal, moderate, or conservative, even if they're attending church and they're espousing higher beliefs in a creator, right, which is religiosity has a high predictive value when it comes to who people vote for. So a lot of these attributes make them seem or appear to be right wing, but when it comes down to it, they share almost nothing else in common. You know, if you go to a rally, a Trump rally, or if you're active in Republican circles, you'll see the base, the heart of the Republican grassroots are usually older people and they got their pocket constitutions. And I'm not doing this to make, you know, to label it to make fun of anybody. But it's just the truth. And if you've

been around them, you'd see it. They are very much not like that. And the reason they were attracted to the right, especially in the era of Trump, is because it's about action for them. They want somebody to get something done. It's like they'll love Donald Trump, but they'll also look at somebody like Julius Caesar and admire him or Franco and admire him because they feel like this is a strong guy and he gets it done. Napoleon? Yeah, we talk about it in the book, Dr. Drew. It's fascinating.

Because that's what the cycles of history suggest, right? that people ask for a strong man when things are out of control. Is that what Trump is? Yeah, to some degree, that's what they thought he would be. And I'm not sure he's living up to that in their minds. Actually, I mean, I'm being, you know, nice here. He's not. And, you know, for instance, one of the questions that a lot of this isn't public,

some of the polls that we have in there, was, if you guys recall, when the judge came out and ruled and told Donald Trump to turn the plane around, you can't deport these people. they up under 40 and that includes everybody 18 to 24 25 to 29 30 to 39 they did not want Trump to turn that plane around they said he's in control of the army let the judge do something about it this is who these people are and I think like that is what history suggests what you just brought up but there's also a danger in that so if the right doesn't placate them they'll go somewhere and we're seeing it already with the DSA so I'm reading a quote here you want you to explain it to me if you're The book is Burn It All Down, right? And as opposed to Dave's book, Burn It Down, Yeah. Burn It Down, which opposed to Dave's books, but don't burn this book. Don't burn this down.

Don't burn this country. Don't burn this book. They're right beside me here. And yours are Burn It Down. Either Neo-Bulshivism or the rise of the American Empire, read this book to understand how America decides. Explain that choice to me. So this is core to the book.

It's either Maga or Mundani. And there's not going to be a third rail here. We're going to run out of the silent gens very, very soon. Boomer one and boom, well, boomer two is the Jones boomers. You know, they'll become a greater size share. That's us. Boulder voters, yep. And they didn't fight.

There's a nuance. We always hear, oh, that. Okay, boomer, right? You hear that all the time. But the truth is, boomers, they're really broken up into two groups and people should learn the characteristics of each of those groups because the older boomers are more right-wing. And they're holding up that 65 plus share for Republicans every time we go to. to the election booth every year, every two years or four years. But the Jones boomers are not.

They're the birth of the professional class and the managerial class. And of course, while there is exceptions, I deal on statistics and they're more democratic. So with that in mind, within the next 10 years, their political influence will diminish greatly. Millennials are already the largest voting eligible share of the population. They just don't punch above their weight like boomers do. They don't vote. But when they do, they're going to pick one of those two. pass and there will not be a third path. It's just not that neither the corporate Democrat establishment or what the Republican Party was pre-Donald Trump, which Bush left us, are appealing to them. So they will force a change either way. As a member of the Jones piece of the boomer thing,

I can tell you, I've been acutely aware of it since I was in high school because we seem to be on a cusp between one thing and another. And the teachers would talk about it. They would say to our group, you're the first group outside the 60s generation. You're not from the 60s. Last year, those kids were still, if we could still see the flavor of the 60s around,

you guys are 70s, 80s, that kind of thing. And it was different. And it's what makes us bewildered by some of the millennial complaints, because the reason we're called the Joneses is we were trying to keep up with the Joneses. The boomers had things easy as far as we were concerned. And we had to work our asses off to own a house, to be able to do things.

We had to kill ourselves. We invented workaholism. We also invented the social, liberal, fiscal conservative. We were all in that category. Everybody. Socially, you asked a man, socially liberal fiscal conservative. That's me. And that's why when the millennials start talking about having houses and things, we get confused

because we had no expectation of any of that without killing ourselves. and many didn't achieve it. Is it that millennials see it's just not a possibility? And we at least saw it as a possibility. Is that the difference? Yeah, a lot of this is perception. And some of it is, you know, there's a lot of statistics in there because we're really trying to get both sides

to understand each other's point of view. You know, if we're just talking at each other, then we're not going to get anywhere, right? So the boomers look at younger people and they say, you know what, work harder. That's it. Tough. Don't go out and buy a $20.

But the joke. But the Joneses go, we say work harder, but be inspired. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it generation. I'm a little concerned the younger generation is, you know, at the point of such jadedness or whatever if you want to call it. It does.

But there are some stats that will blow people away in this book. You know, from January of 2000 to December of 2025, we take just that period. The S&PK Schiller Home Price Index was up about 230 percent. The renter part of the CPI was up about 140%. Yet during that same time period, weekly average earnings, real earnings, were only up about 13. So there's definitely both sides of this argument that have valid points. But I think that, again, the big warning here is that, you know, people have grievances. Please look at the same data for like 1972 to 1970s.

We did that. We did. Yeah, absolutely. And what did you find? It's not that the boomer generation, I know it's not fair to put you guys on the same category, but the boomer generation accumulated wells at a rate nobody else has. No, no, because they had the houses already. But for the Joneses, we looked at the houses that are now 12 million,

but they went from 50,000 to 500,000 or 700,000. And minimum wage went from $1.65 to $2.25 to $2.5. That is true, but that was it. A lot of them had a chance to ride that wave up, maybe a lot more than you'd think, you know, whereas these younger people just feel like they never got that chance. All right. And then some of them too, millennials should be broken up into Y1, Y2 as well. It's just that often they don't do it unless it's very detailed studies.

We do it and we explain it. But some millennials are even different. They share more in common with some Joneses and with some Generation X. I'm on the top of that myself. I'm going to be 45. And then some of the younger ones are just at the point where they're like, look, it was 9-11, then the recession. Then when we started to get it, it was COVID. You know, we just, we haven't had a fair shape.

That is true. That's what worried me during COVID, a 5th, 8, 15-year-old, we were just going to destroy them. But the other thing is, why are they so focused on homeownership? There's only downside now. There's the upkeep, which is crazy expensive, crazy expensive. There's insurance, there's taxes, and there's downward liability. on price. What we need to do is get their rents down and they rent. And then one day, things will adjust in some way and they'll have homeownership. But there's just no, I see no

benefit to homeownership most cities these days. That's actually a really good question, especially since what happened with home prices that you brought up before, even during what you saw happened. Yeah. We just never had that conversation nationally. And you passed down the idea that an integral part of the American dream is like every man has his castle, you know, you know, whatever it may be. Everyone's got their plot. Yep, you're stead. And that's been seeped really deeply into our identity and our brains. And maybe it's time for us to catch up. But at the same time, what I'm really concerned about is, you know, Barack Obama came in. He wrote in after Bush promising hope and change. Obviously, it was really quick. There was no hope for real change.

And then that led to Trump. And the ruling class just was completely confused. Why would people? people elect this man. I was too. I kept asking, what do you see? What's going on? I was honest. I was open to it. I wasn't, I didn't have Trump arrangement about I remember I did shows on HLN. I brought in a bunch of Trump supporters. I go, well, and none of them looked like Trump supporters to me, too. They would look like, you know, sort of very diverse group. And I was like, what are you going? What do you see here? And they mostly they saw hope. Yes. And that's exactly right. And I think that in times of desperation, when even people like a Donald Trump, where they put, so much faith in him that I who maybe this is a big part of our problem as a country we should

stop putting our faith in individuals instead of you know systems and institutions and ourselves and our communities but they do and they feel the I would use a lot of people say a big part of Trump's base or his 24 coalition is angry I wouldn't use the word angry I think discouraged and disappointed is a better word what what is going to can you predict or do you have predictions for the midterms? I do. Right now, it does look pretty bleak for Republicans. We'll see how it goes.

But they did a great job redistricting, but I'll give you guys this. And all of the modeling that we do, they did a really good job creating what is essentially a levy up to about four points nationally. And if Democrats overcome that D plus four national environment, then the map that they, and I'm not going to use the word jerry, Democrats have jerryed for years. This is finally trying to fix a bad census and a bad map. But if they do overcome that four point advantage and they get into the D plus six category, anything above for, really, that levy breaks. And the house just, seats just start falling.

So they really have to do, they have to do more, Dr. Drew. And this is a big part of it. It'll argue it in the book. Actions speak louder than words where human beings at the core in politics is about human beings. You know, I mean, you're in power. Promises are one thing. Actions are another. And is this why the Democrats keep talking about the big tent, even though the DSA is trying to take down the tent polls?

100%. And they're praying that they can keep it together because it has been different in the second Trump administration. That derangement syndrome has seemed to be somewhat under control. It peaks out every once in a while. Donald Trump wants to put his name on the Kennedy Center. They flip out over it's something so ridiculous. It peaks out. But for the most part, Akeem Jeffries has done a better job. Yeah, it does. He's done a better job keeping a lid on it. We all know what would really happen. The people who are in this business.

But right now, they're just being the opposition party. And they don't want to get too specific. They don't want to give particular platform policies. They're just saying, look, we know you're not happy with Trump and we'll do better. And it's very generic. Republicans did this all throughout the 2010s. And it works for a... Rich Barrers fall on X on YouTube.

where else do you want people to find you? And, of course, they need to buy, burn it down what the polls say young Americans really want. Tell me more. Where can we find you? Same handle on Instagram. Look, I did this research and realized I better get with the young people myself and my 350,000 followers on X aren't going to mean anything. So I'm on Instagram, on the same handle at People's underscore Pundit and TikTok, people's dotpundit,

where we just got started and it's pretty neat. You get shorts from the show there, Dr. Drew, little snippets of all this. Great. Rich Ferris, thank you so much. Thank you for having me. All the best. You bet. Thank you to Dave Rubin's team for allowing us to descend in and take over here. And for Connor, who's been at the helm the whole way and he had to miss his meeting today because we were here making demands on him. And thank you, Dave, for letting me bring you back into reality by delivering the news. And of course, his team made it super easy for me. And our actual friends team, Joseph, everybody, Phoenix. We appreciate it. Connor.

We just are very, very grateful. And I'm glad Dave made a back one piece with new insights and new connection with his husband and family. And there's upcoming list of guests. I cannot read it. It's too far away from me. Caleb, is there anything you want me to go over there? Just tomorrow. Actually, it's a Thursday show at 2 p.m. Pacific is Dr. Robert Redfield and Dr. Joseph Freyman.

I have somebody that's Redfield about because I just saw Scott Gottlieb. is it Godlieb, Scott Atlas today talking about, Scott Atlas today, talking about the fact that Redfield had testified in front of Congress about the absolute benefit of masking. So I want to wonder, and Atlas kind of accused him of scapegoating Fauci for some of his own responsibility. I've had nothing but great experiences with Redfield thus far. He has been talking about vaccine injury. He's been talking about how he was undermined in terms of his authority at the CDC, so we're going to get more into that. That is Thursday at 2 o'clock Pacific time, and we will see you then. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky.

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