Ask Dr. Drew - Matt Walsh: What Is A Racist? Am I A Woman? And Other Important Questions – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 406

Episode Date: September 24, 2024

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Matt Walsh's show on The Daily Wire. You can follow him, well, you can follow the film at amiracist.com. No, see, I was right. It's amiracist. Amiracist, that's three words, amiracist.com. You can also follow Matt on X at Matt Walsh blog. Matt, thank you and welcome to the program. Hey, thanks for having me. I really appreciate it.

So how shall we characterize this film? I've sort of called it a documentary. I've called it irony, but it's sort of a comedy in the way Sasha Baron Cohen does comedies, isn't it? It is. And that's even while we're making the film, we had a lot of discussions about what exact genre of film even is this. And it is a documentary because it's all real. And we're also exposing something. We are actually trying to explore a real issue in society. So a little bit unlike Borat, for example, which I think falls more into the category of mockumentary. So anyway, it's a long way of saying it's a documentary. Someone called it a documentary comedy. And I think maybe that's the best way to describe it. And would it be, I'm just curious about your thinking.

I haven't heard anybody really drill in with you on this. And were you out to, it feels like mockery and comedy is the best way to expose the excesses of our present moment. We got nothing, I mean, it's the only thing people seem to respond to because rational discourse is just gone and people are brainwashed and people are in these weird silos. And so mockery and comedy is sort of way of getting through.

Am I accurate? And have you been thinking that way? Is that why you made it the way you made it? Yeah, I think you're exactly accurate. Comedy is, it's universal in a lot of ways. Of course, people have different tastes in comedy, but when something is funny, it's funny. And it can cut across ideological and political barriers in a way that very few other things can, I think. And there's a real opportunity now, I think, for, you know, I'm conservative politically, and I think there's a real opportunity for conservatives here because the left has largely

abandoned comedy. Many people have noticed that, that it seems like sometime around 2012 or 2013 was kind of the last time that Hollywood made a comedy, or certainly the last time that you uh that hollywood made a comedy or certainly the last time they made them consistently um and it's kind of been this 10-year dry spell and it's sort of like well if you don't if you guys don't want to use this tool um then we're happy to use it and i think in particularire. I mean, you think back to guys like Sacha Baron Cohen, even early John Stewart in The Daily Show. The left used to, you know, Colbert, Stephen Colbert, back with his original show in Comedy Central. Not only was the left the only ones really doing comedy, but political satire, satirical comedy in particular,

was almost solely their domain for a long time. And they've also abandoned that, or at the very least, they're not very good at it anymore. So again, I think it creates kind of this opportunity. Well, I've thought a little bit about this. And when you think about, say, George Carlin, and comedy at its core is sort of an antisocial impulse. And so a natural sort of direction is anti-establishment or anti-elite, anti-who's in power. And that's all the old comedians. Their people are all in power now.

So what are they going to do? Who are they going to make fun of? Yeah, I think it certainly is. I don't think comedy has to be anti-establishment necessarily, but it is very difficult, I would think, to come up with good comedy that is defending the power structures in society, that's defending the establishment. Right, right. It might not be impossible, but that's certainly a challenge if somebody wants to take it up. Well, the left has taken it up. It's also not very funny. It's not funny and it's cringy. It's awful. It's not funny. Exactly. Exactly. And so that's the position that I find myself in. If you're a conservative,

you find yourself in a position of, well, we don't really have the institutional power anymore. All the institutions are owned by the left. And that creates a lot of problems in my view. But the one advantage, perhaps, is that it does make it a lot easier for us to do comedy because we are criticizing and making fun of kind of the powers that be. By the way, that's another difference between this and something like Borat, which I think Borat was a hilarious movie. I love that movie. But in that film, Sacha Baron Cohen is mostly embarrassing

and mocking just normal everyday people. This is what the left often calls punching down. And that's mostly what he's doing. You know, in our film, we made a real point of only embarrassing and mocking the elites, the so-called experts, the PhDs, the college professors, the DEI consultants, and so on. interacting with normal people. We were very deliberate. We said this in the filming that if we're going to have these kinds of people in the movie, I need to be the butt of the joke in those scenes. And so when I go into like a biker bar, we go to down to, we're going to New Orleans to the black community there. In those scenes, I'm the dummy and they're the rational one because I'm not looking to embarrass normal people.

I want to humiliate, embarrass people like Robin DiAngelo, frankly. And so for people who imagine that you had to reach or that this is a distortion, how hard was it to find the subjects, both where the elites that you take on are being made fun of and when the normal people are making fun of you? Was it as simple as finding these things online and walking in and filming them?

Or did you have to really work hard to find these things? Or are they everywhere? The people themselves are everywhere, especially these, you know, if you want to find a DEI so-called expert or consultant, they're a dime a dozen. I mean, not actually a dime. They cost a lot more than a dime, we discovered. But there's a lot of them out there. So it wasn't very hard to find them. Some of the scenarios that you if you watch the film, you'll find me in certain situations

where some of that took a little bit more setting up behind the scenes, a little bit more complicated in terms of talking to normal people. Yeah, that was those were pretty easy to film. It's just just go to any place where normal people are walking around and I'll be the crazy leftist guy and I'll just say the crazy leftist stuff to them and get their reaction. And you kind of know, it's like, we knew going in that how this is going to go. I'm going to say the crazy leftist thing. They're going to be totally confused by it. It's going to be really funny. It always is. But also it kind of makes the point that we want to make in the film.

Do you know Ami Horowitz? Are you familiar with his videos? I don't know. He does something very, very similar. They're not documentaries. He just goes to these places and asks questions, much like you did with The Average Person. You know, for instance, I know you've done stuff like this too.

He, out in front of the DNC four years ago, or more, I guess it was now eight years ago, he set up a vote for Trump banners and a table and chairs. And in front of the RNC, he set up a vote for Hillary sort of campaign booth. And he just documented how people reacted to both. That's it. Just documented it. And yes, I'm sure there'll be no surprise to you what he found. Yeah. I don't think I've seen that video, but I can imagine that outside of the DNC, there was a much more unpleasant, unwelcoming response, I would guess. His life was threatened by a mob on the DNC side. And the RNC side, there was a lot of slaps on the back and jokes,

and you're in the wrong place. And hey, man, you got the wrong idea here. And as they walked past him and on in, as opposed to gathering and threatening him. Yeah, it's an extraordinary time. How do you understand that difference? Do you have a theory on where we are as it pertains to a people and these extreme differences? Yeah, I guess I have a lot of theories about that.

I think that you often hear that this country is more divided than it's ever been it's more divided since than it's been since the Civil War you hear that kind of stuff a lot and I want to say that that's hyperbole and of course it's not that bad I mean we fought a war that killed 600 000 people which at the time was like whatever one or two percent of the you know the United States population um so it can't be that bad we're not in the streets you know killing each other at least not in any kind of formal warlike setting but i think i think it is it's actually worse than that i think it's actually more divided than the civil war because oh good oh thanks man yeah the good news is keep going we're not yeah but but here's here's why because i think today you have roughly the two sides of the political spectrum, and there is absolutely nothing that we can agree on anymore.

There's not even the most basic fundamental values and priorities in life. If you go back 100 years, 200 years, you'll find that, of course, there were intense disagreements that sometimes led to violence, but they could at least agree on the most basic and fundamental things. These were religious people. They believed in God. They believed that the family was very important. They believed in roughly the same kind of physical reality that we all inhabit. At least they had that. But now if you have someone on the left and someone on the right, it's like they're living in two different universes. I mean, we can't even agree that men can't get pregnant.

Okay. A statement like that, we can't agree on that anymore. And when you can't agree on that, then where is the agreement? If even something as basic as that has now become a source of controversy. So when there's that kind of extraordinary divide and it feels detached from reality, I worry about indoctrination and brainwashing. And again, everybody is prone to it. So everybody's got to watch out on both sides to make sure that they're not part of the brainwash. And I sort of fall back on Matthias Desmet's construct

on mass formation, where he studied this stuff. And he said, 20% of people are highly prone to falling victim to this on both sides. And 10% really immediately throw the bullshit flag, you know, what's going on here? This isn't right, something's wrong. But it's the 70% in the middle that just want to get along

that I am personally most concerned with. I don't think you could change that other 30%. And I've looked for online sort of people that I think are sort of middle, moderate, and their reaction to your film. I've sort of been searching around for that. And I've been sort of, I hope I'm seeing what I think I'm seeing,

which is sort of thoughtful, funny, amused, eyebrow raised, like, gosh, I guess we really are like that, or I didn't realize we are like that, or I got to think about this some more. Am I deluding myself? Is that part of my brainwashing that I just motivated reasoning got me to those people? Or are you seeing that kind of response from not just the 10% that supports you and the 20%, or let's say that 30%

that's both brainwashed either direction. The 70% that always just wants to get along, they, I'll go watch this thing, see what's going on. And it's across racial spectrum too, I think I'm seeing. Is that true? Well, unless I'm part of the same brainwashing you are, that's also what I've noticed. And some of the, you know, there have been box office statistics on this that were even reported. I think it was a Hollywood reporter. One of them had a report on this, that the racial demographics of this film are, I guess, for the media, surprisingly diverse. Not a surprise to me, but this is not just a movie that white conservatives are going to see. And anecdotally, because that's all I can go on,

but anecdotally, I've got a lot of messages from people that profess to be on the left, Democrat. They don't like me. They don't agree with anything that I say, but they were distraught to have to report that they actually enjoyed the film, which, again, doesn't really surprise me because you don't. Like I said, comedy is sort of a universal thing. It cuts across barriers, but also the people that were exposing these DEI grifters. If you're on the left, you're not obligated to defend them. And I think it actually makes a lot more sense if you're on the left. If I was on the left, I'd want to say, yeah, go ahead and make fun of those people all you want.

They're not with us. We got nothing to do. Robin DiAngelo, she's not one of ours. And so I think we're seeing that a little bit, even with people on the left and reaction to the film. And I do find that encouraging. Any difference in, say, African-American moderates versus Caucasian moderates in their response to the film? Because I thought I was seeing the same kind of thing. Actually, the black commentators I saw were a little more heart into the commentary. They were laughing more. They were sort of more honest, frankly.

Yeah, I mean, again, it's all anecdotal, but it's not totally anecdotal because we do have some of the stats on the racial demographics that watch the film. And I don't have that top of mind, but it is, again, the Black audience is overrepresented in terms of the people that are watching the film compared to the overall population. And I, you know, of course, I have had people calling me racist for making the film and all that kind of nonsense. I haven't seen that from any Black commentators at this point. It's been mostly white liberals

who have been saying that, which is also interesting. But again, to me, not very surprising, especially going through the process of making this film and seeing who are the people driving all of this, the DEI scam. And it is mostly white liberals, in particular white liberal women that are doing it.

Not only, they're not the only ones, but you see a lot of them up here in the film, and I don't think that that's a coincidence. I'm just thinking, has anybody proposed, like, putting a panel together of, you know, Black leaders that disagree with this film or have issues with it, and you and some other people, just to kind of use it. It feels like it could be, and I want to show a clip in just a second, but it feels like it could be a great springboard for conversation,

which is something we're also not having these days. I think it's a great idea. And if you wanted to do that, I'd be there in a heartbeat. I would happily moderate if Ex-Ibram Kendi wanted to get somebody and get some real leaders that really would disagree and just see what they do with it.

It'd be fascinating. This is what's not happening in this country that always used to the whole time I grow up. Well, let's look at a couple of moments of clips here. Let's look at the, I think we have a trailer. And if this doesn't motivate you to watch the film, I don't know what will. What's up with white people? What are you doing to de-center your whiteness? Who's making it a center? Why are they doing that? What you're doing is you're stretching out of your whiteness. There's more for you in this view. Yeah. Yeah.

White. Folks. White. Trash. White supremacy. White woman. White boy. White.

Entitlement. White. Centering. White. Silence. Is there a black person around here? There's a black person right here. Does he not exist?

Hi, Robin. Hi. And what's your name? Hi, Robin. Hi. And what's your name? I'm Matt. Matt. Hi, Matt. Nice to meet you. I just had to ask who you are because you have to be careful.

Never be too careful. That's hysterical. And how did she end up in your crosshairs? Why is she the one? Well, she's sort of the queen of DEI. She's the godmother, the DEI godmother, our white whale, if you'll pardon the pun. And so we knew when we decided we wanted to tackle this subject in particular that she is our you know we we if we can get anybody we want to get her and um she's maybe not the originator of all of of all these ideas i don't think she

originated any of them but she did popularize a lot of these concepts and um and we were we were able to get her and in fact it wasn't all that difficult to land the interview uh as long as we were willing to pay the fee which ended up up being $15,000 to sit down with her for a couple of hours. About $7,000 an hour she was charging for the interview. Pretty good gig if you can get it. But I also think we more than got our money's worth for that, I think. And you gave her your name. She was being cautious. She signed the papers not racist. I asked her that in the film and she says that, well, in any given moment, you can be a little bit less racist or a little bit more racist. But if you're white, you can never be not racist. And those are ideas that we make fun of in the movie. And you can laugh at them because they're absurd, but they're also really,

really insidious. And if you take that idea seriously, I mean, if you're one of these people that falls into it and gets brainwashed into it, it's a very destructive idea that not only is racism inherent to a certain race being white people, but also that it's this kind of sickness that can never be cured, only managed, really. And so you have to go to people like Robin DiAngelo to get your treatment, your management. And so they kind of guarantee repeat customers for themselves because you can never be free of this uh racist guilt that you carry around according to them and is you can have to to the best of your ability frame what that theory is for me because i i get eurocentrism. I get ethnocentrism. I get whoever, whatever you're raised around,

whatever culture, religion, community. I mean, I get that. And I get that people need to pay attention to that so they don't, you can get bigoted and biased and all kinds of things. Is that what they're talking about

at the core? And just sort of taking that to an extraordinary extreme? No, that's not what they're talking about at the core and just sort of taking that to an extraordinary extreme? No, that's not what they're talking about because ethnocentrism, bigotry, broadly speaking, like these are things that anyone of any race could engage in or these are thought processes that no matter what your race is, you could engage in that. But with their talking about something that is unique to white people, that only white people can experience. And if you try to give them an example. Something genetically wrong with us? What? And by the way, white, that's the other thing. White is a pretty big group of all kinds of people from all kinds of places. My goodness. Right.

And not only a big group, but also a group of people who, many of them come from regions of the world where there's certainly a history of oppression. I mean, I'm Irish by descent, and we have our own history that is certainly not all rosy by any stretch of the imagination. So, right, that doesn't make any sense. But what they would say, what they do say is that racism, kind of their formulation

is racism is power plus prejudice or something like that. You have to have institutional power. And then if you're racially prejudiced along with the institutional power, then you can be racist. And they would say that, well, only white people have institutional power because the system is inherently racist. And so therefore, only white people can be racist. I mean, but there are so many problems along the way with that whole formulation. It just breaks down at every single point. But that's how they that's how they um

that's how they try to you know navigate it yeah i i wonder what happens to it when you put people of other ethnicities in positions of power does it just dissolve evaporate or we're just condemned forever because at one time white people were predominantly who was in we're in the institutions of power it's it's an it's an odd construct i don't know i i you know i i do think that pretty much i don't know about everybody but most people that ended up in this country um came from were either you know they came from profound trauma people did not come here because things were going well. Whether it was escaping religious persecution or famine or British military assaults or, in my case, the Ukrainian Holodomor and the excesses of the Mensheviks and the Bolsheviks. All of us were running away from something highly, highly traumatic, left our lives to come here.

And then amongst those, the really crazy ones decided to get in a wagon and go west at a certain period of time. That's how we ended up the way we are out here. Where are you, by the way? Where am I speaking to you from? I'm in D.C. right now, but I live in Nashville where Daily Wire is headquartered. And I think you're right about that. But it actually, so everybody in this country, right, you could trace your lineage back to at some point. You probably don't have to go back that far to find that your ancestors were dealing with traumatic events, oppression, persecution, and so on.

But really, that's the case everywhere in the world with all people no matter where you live because human history and anyone who's studied it even a little bit knows this that human history is brutal i mean it is um there's also plenty of examples of heroism and beauty and all of these amazing things but um the world was a brutal place it still is in many ways but even more so it was a brutal place. It still is in many ways, but even more so, it was a brutal place for a very long time. And just the institution of slavery alone was a global institution that everybody participated in, or at least was okay with, for like thousands of years, I mean, thousands of years this went on and everywhere in the world, which is why you find it, you know, you find it in every continent, you know, across the Atlantic, but even

when Europeans first came to the Americas and they encountered, you know, native tribes and native civilizations, they also all had slavery. So they had kind of developed this system on their own, apart from the rest of the world. So that just speaks to the fact that everybody is descended

from this, and everybody has both oppressor and oppressed in their lineage. So at a certain point, you just have to say, okay, that was the past. It matters. We should study it. We should talk about it. We should learn from it, but we can't cash in on it because that was the past and now it's the present and we're not living in that world anymore. Yeah. I read Booker T. Washington's biography. I'm going to take a break in a second here. We're here with Matt Walsh, of course. I'll give the particulars in a second. Am I racist? is the movie. You see it alongside of him there. And I read Booker T. Washington's biography, which was sensational. And in there, it was interesting.

He was in, he went after his education aggressively, and he was in with Native American peoples in these classes, and they all had huge disdain for him, both because they owned slaves. A lot of American Indians own slaves. And this was really interesting. It's not something that would have occurred to me that the native peoples were particularly judgmental against African slaves because they allowed themselves to be caught and didn't fight to the death, which I thought, oh, that's not something that would occur to me. But that's an interesting, another racist wrinkle in the story of America. Let's take a little break here. And I'm also

reminded of Hobbes. By the way, he was writing during the era of the Spanish Armada. And even as far back as when Hobbes was writing, he looked at history and went, it was nasty, solitary, brutish, and short. Maybe the solitary and short part we improved upon over the course of 400 or 500 years, but not the brutish part and the nasty part. It's still to this moment. All right, Matt Walsh, the particulars are amiracist. You can go to amiracist.com. Matt Walsh is on ex-Matt Walsh blog. And of course, Matt Walsh show on The Daily Wire. We'll be right back with a little more Matt Walsh after this. I'm excited to bring you a new product, a new supplement, fatty. I take it. I make Susan take it. My whole family takes it. This comes out of,

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I saw you eating that. Matt Walsh, Matt Walsh blog on xamiracist.com. Matt, is there anywhere else you want people to follow you on X? No, I think you covered it. The main thing, though, is the... Okay. Don't follow me. Just go see the movie, amiracist.com.

Go see the movie. And it's pretty sensational success. I mean, the fact that you were number three in the country in a time when the only thing that gets people into the theaters are Wolverine. That's, to me, just, it must have massively exceeded your expectations. Yeah, it did.

And when you get into the theaters, you start to realize there are all kinds of challenges that you don't think about. At least I didn't think much about beforehand. But things like, you know, simple things like the number of screens. And we have just about, we started about 1500 screens, which is a lot. I mean, I was very pleased by that. But you're competing against movies that are in 3000 screens. So they've got double the number of screens to make money on. And then, of course, the big thing is the marketing budgets. I mean, the marketing budgets for these

for these big movies are just like mind boggling. I mean, they're spending $100 million on marketing or more. And we are not anywhere close to that, I can tell you in terms of our marketing budget. So you factor all that in and yeah, to make it into the top five was a huge thrill and we're hoping to keep the momentum going. And on Rotten Tomatoes, it was like 98% approval or rated by the viewers, and zero critics, zero reviewers have seen your film, evidently, right? Right. Yeah, the audience has loved it so far, which is fantastic. There have been some independent film critics that have reviewed it, and we really appreciate that. Wow.

But the mainstream film critics, though, from mainstream outlets like the New York Times, The New Yorker, Washington Post,hington post uh you know rolling stone etc etc none of them have reviewed the film and i can't think of another example of a of a film that was top five in the box office widely released in theaters and didn't and was not reviewed at all by any uh critic from a mainstream corporate media outlet, it's quite striking. Well, I have a couple of thoughts. One is that though he can't make the same claim about theater distribution that you have, he had widely acclaimed reviews by the Rotten Tomato viewers,

Adam Carolla with The Fighter, I think was the name of his film. And he also, every documentary he puts out, he gets extremely high ratings in the 90s by the viewers. And he has yet to have a single critic look at any of his films. And one of them was about the only black, I think, Formula One driver. Is he Formula One or Indy or whatever it was. And it was a great film called Uppity, a really good film about the history of racism and racing. And no, not a single review. So my theory on that, because it is interesting, often when films are released by people who are

not liberal, you'll see the thing on Rotten Tomatoes where you've got the critic score of 30%, the audience score of 95%, because the mainstream critics will review it, but then they'll just rip it to shreds. They'll pan it, which they enjoy doing. But then you've got some people who put movies out and you can't even get them to pan the movie.

And I think that one of the reasons for it, this is this is self-serving. I'm biased. And it's a compliment to Adam as well. But I think that if they look at something and they think, OK, well, I can't we can't completely pan this. We would have to give it some credit for its quality. I think then at that point, they'd probably rather just not review it at all. And part of that is it's they of their audience. Because the truth is that, look, if the Washington Post, if the critic there really was bold and put

out a review praising my movie, they would get run out of town by their own readers for doing that. And they don't want to take that risk, so they'd rather just ignore it. The whole thing to me smacks of opportunity.

The fact that it is so egregiously lopsided, that is not a reflection of the audience and who's out there. So to me, it smacks of opportunity for some upstart to come out and put out their own publications.

Or as you said, independent reviewers doing their own thing. Or somebody who wants to save the Washington Post, whose readership is plummeting, try to capture a few people, bring people onto the boat with them. But they won't do that. So it's going to be a competitor. It reminds me of this medium. It reminds me of the Daily Wire. It reminds me of what we're doing, sitting here talking. It reminds me of your film. It just all creates opportunity for someone to come in and go,

I'm going to say something. The thing that scares me is that the elites and the powers that be, their response to those sorts of creative responses, their response is to try to censor and diminish free speech, which is the most crazy, egregious, un-American impulse I could possibly imagine. Are you seeing the same thing?

And maybe your next film should be about that. That would be really interesting because that needs to be, that band-aid, that wound needs to be opened up. Yeah, that would certainly be a, there's a lot of fodder there for a film for sure. And yeah, I mean, we all know about the big tech and corporate media and their censorship efforts. And what we're experiencing right now with the critic reviews, a it's a sort of a form of that i mean they're not censoring the film because they can't i mean they can't stop the fact that we made the

film and it's in theaters um but they can just kind of do a blackout to uh try to limit access to the film and limit the number of people who know that it exists uh which again is not it's not like a first amendment violation or anything like that but it's a it's a way of doing, it's not like a First Amendment violation or anything like that, but it's a way of doing that. It's a way of stopping people from having all the information that they would otherwise have. I mean, all you need is uncover some email to the editor-in-chief of the Washington Post.

Who knows, right? I mean, I was blown away by what we found with the Twitter files. I couldn't believe it. So to me now, I'm like Joe Rogan. I've said this over and over. Maybe the world is flat. I don't know.

I'm open to everything now. So the things I never would have contemplated before, maybe that is happening. Maybe there is some pressure being applied to these people from government agencies. Yeah, well, I had the same thought uh uh i mean i'm pretty sure that the that the earth isn't flat but uh but i had the same thought pretty sure when you look at the twitter when you look at the twitter files i was very sure i was very sure five years ago now i'm pretty sure pretty sure okay well you give it like a better than 80 chance of being around um but yeah i mean it's when it comes at least to the kind of here's what i will say that the You give it like a better than 80% chance of being around.

But yeah, I mean, when it comes at least to the kind of, here's what I will say, the colluding behind the scenes between big tech, media, and government, that is certainly happening. And there's basically no level of that at this point that would shock me. To the point that these organizations, media, big tech, and government, the collusion is so consistent and pervasive that it's almost hard to distinguish anymore between these organizations. They're all, they kind of bleed into each other as one organism with the same kind of goal and intention. Yeah. What do you want to do about that?

Does that worry you you i'm mortified by all that uh it worries me a lot i mean it certainly worries me the the it's hard because there's you're at a level in terms of the amount of money involved in the power that there's not a lot that just like one random guy can do about it. You kind of need, I mean, Elon Musk is the richest guy in the world and he's the guy who's by far, in terms of landing a blow against big tech censorship, nobody's done more than him. And what he's done has been just, you can't overstate the importance of it, but he's the richest man in the world. And most of us don't have those kinds of resources. And so you kind of need people who

are powerful and have resources to step up to the plate as we're seeing a little bit now, but not enough. But if you look at the sort of rise and fall of businesses across a normal business cycle, when things get big and bloated and, you know, infrastructure, that's the opportunity for a little gal to come in. And yes, somebody's got to, it's helpful to have some venture capital or have somebody come in to support him or her.

But that's, if the business cycles are any lesson, maybe it will reflect similarly in the way our government functions, if it's left free to do so. I'm just so fearful that the excesses of COVID, I can't get over. It makes me think they're capable of just about anything. Yeah. And this is kind of maybe not related, but you said the excesses of COVID you can't get over. I think it's good, by the way, that you can't get over it.

I think that more people should have that attitude. I think actually we've gotten over it too much to the extent that, you know, they shut down all of society. They did this unprecedented thing by shutting down society, basically taking all of our rights away in one fell swoop. And now it's a presidential election four years later, and it's not even a political issue. We don't even talk about it. It doesn't rank even in the top 10 of issues that we discuss. It doesn't come up. We've had presidential debates. It's not even brought up one time. And I find that to be also quite worrying that we've allowed that to be memory hold to such a degree.

I don't know. Some of us will never get over it and it's going to be in the background forever. And there are, but there are those that liked it. You got to remember, there are a lot of people that thought this was a great thing and they were doing God's work by essentially doing what German prison guards did during 1939, but whatever. Caleb, you have a question about daylight savings time. I'm not sure I understand that. Oh, yes. I believe it's Matt Walsh who is a pro abolishing daylight savings time. Is that correct? My view on that changes, but I'm okay with, yeah... I think we should get rid of it. Yeah. I'll stand on that for now.

I mean, to me, it's a bizarre little... You know, Caleb, why is that a thing for you? I think about it once in a while and I take it or leave it. It's the dumbest thing ever for people who have children. It throws my kids... I have young babies and it throws their schedules off twice a year.

Just that one hour throws everything off because then sometimes it's bright sunlight outside their window, and sometimes it's completely pitch black. Just for that reason alone. I also lived in Arizona for a couple of years, and it was amazing. We just thought the other 48 states were so dumb to keep it

because we just had to watch them scramble around twice a year why are we doing this we aren't all farmers anymore i would say the the one thing i would say is uh that you've lived down in the southern regions of the country pretty much your whole life you go up north it gets light you know late and dark early. And it's a whole different matter up there. But yeah, I'll go along with that. So Matt, is there anything I've missed here in terms of what you like to get across to people

or what's going on with the Matt Wall show these days? No, I think we covered it pretty well. And the main thing, you know, in terms of the film is that we're going into our second week of the box office and most people look at the first week and you think, well, that's what really matters. It does matter a lot. But second week really determines quite a bit about the sort of the longevity of the film. And so if that's if anyone hasn't seen the film yet, then get your tickets now. And if you have seen it, go again, tell your friends.

This is a word of mouth operation for us because we don't have those tens of millions of dollars in marketing. So we're really relying on people seeing the film to talk about it and tell their friends, which it seems like so far they are. Does that, does the second week determine sort of where it goes next kind of thing? Yeah, in large part um in large part it will at least determine how long you know because you could have movies that come into theaters and they're gone in a few weeks especially if you go into that second week and then you drop

70 of your box office or something um then you're probably not you start losing screens and then you kind of you kind of uh are going to end up on streaming pretty quickly so um longevity really is determined in large part by that second week. And so we're, we're hoping we got the momentum. We got the word of mouth. Support it. Be a motivated audience. Amiracist.com.

Is there a way, is there any other support we can offer the film? Does, does clicking, logging onto something or clicking through on something, help it? Amiracist.com is all you got to do. Just go there.

All right. Fair enough. Matt Walsh blog on something, help it? MRAsons.com is all you got to do. Just go there. All right. Fair enough. Matt Walsh blog on X and The Matt Walsh Show. Thank you, sir, for being here. Loved you on Gutfeld the other day. It was fun. And look forward to talking to you again soon, I hope. Thank you so much.

Really appreciate it. Good talking to you. You bet. All righty. So we're going to switch gears a little bit here. Do go see the film. We need to support Matt Walsh. We need to make sure he makes more films because he is exposing stuff with a technique that is about all that works right now, which is mockery and humor. And it's a digestible

way to look at these things that are so upsetting for most people. Dr. John Trufeld is a professional with over 30 years of experience in healthcare and business. He has an MD, MBA, and JD. He has an entrepreneur, founded NextCare, MeMD, Tribal Health, excellent ventures, innovative healthcare solutions, and he's an ER doc by residency training. And Dr. Schufeld has a product that I am very enthusiastic about. In fact, we're involved. You'll be hearing about it on this show. We're involved with them directly. Dr. Schufeld has a product that I am very enthusiastic about. In fact, we're involved.

You'll be hearing about it on this show. We're involved with them directly. Dr. Schufelt, welcome to the program. Dr. Du, thank you. I'm honored to be here. So I was just reading some of your bio, and you and I are doing our chief residency literally the same year. Different parts of the country, but the same year.

I was in internal medicine, and you were in ER, which is fun because all the really complicated stuff gets just presented to you. You don't have to do all the grunt stuff. You just sweep in, get it presented and sweep out. And I always thought all the smart people were in internal medicine. So hats off to you.

I had to spend six minutes with them. You had to spend six days with them. That's so funny. Okay, so this Check Genetics, I think this is such an important product and something that people are not aware of. And when we started talking together, I began realizing the degree to which

everyone needs to be educated about this. The number one complaint, particularly on the mental health side, when it comes to pharmacotherapeutics, people will always say, they won't always say it to their doctor, but I'll hear it all the time from patients, I felt like a guinea pig, or they were just testing, they seem to be just randomly testing things on me. Now, it's not random. Doctors are trying to use their judgment to come up with things that's most likely to be effective. But it's a guess. And that's sort of bizarre at a time when there is a test that can tell them a lot more.

So tell us about the product. So I actually don't think a lot of physicians actually know this is available on a mass scale. Pharmacogenetic testing allows patients and physicians to figure out what medications work best for them. And this is particularly in the realm of cardiovascular medications, mental health medications, cancer medications, because the studies are that up to 50% of the medications you take don't actually work for you or are in fact toxic. I did this test years and years ago and it was like $1,500.

The price has come down a lot since then, but it really helps me as a physician, but also people that I go to and say, look, this doesn't work for me. Like even aspirin, some people, aspirin does not work for us. Should we take it for prevention of cardiovascular disease?

As you know, it just simply doesn't work. And so what is the call to action? We want people to understand there are there is a genetic test both for efficacy and side effects now and so in in um in mental health i feel like they've done a lot they do a lot of testing on essentially pharmacokinetics you know how's the body going to metabolize the drug what do we act what is the range of testing we can do and how should people think about it? So it's a simple, you swab your cheek, you send it in, and about 10 days or two weeks, you get your results. And it lists 260 medications, which covers, I mean, 90% of what most people are on.

Obviously, no one's on that many, but but 90 of medications that are available for people and will tell you is this medication effective or because of your metabolism can you build up toxic metabolites from this medication and therefore you shouldn't be on it um and you're right in mental health it's very important because there are some medications of mental health that actually increase suicidality so as a physician who practices primarily in Native American areas where suicidality is very high, that's even makes it even worse. And so, you know, the last thing you want to do is take an antidepressant that makes you in fact even more suicidal. And so, is this something that the average patient who is sort of starting therapeutics should talk to their doctor about doing or is it somebody who's on a medicine and maybe is worried

that they're going to have a side effect or that it's not as effective as it maybe could be is that who we're sort of targeting and and what's the sort of operationally, do we want people to go talk to their doctor first or bring the data into their doctor? How does that work for people best? I mean, I personally like to be proactive where, you know, I'd get an MRI scan of my head every year. And in fact, that actually at one point in my life really helped me figure out what was going on. But I think if you did a pharmacogenetic test, and it never changes. I mean, your genetics are your genetics. So if you do this testing, it's pretty inexpensive. And walk in to your physician and say, give them a copy of it and say, here's what I can metabolize.

Here's what I can take. Here's what I can't take. And it'll help guide them because we're spending an inordinate amount of money on things that don't work for us. Like I said, up to 50%. Some studies generally accept about 30% to 40% of Medgeron do not work for you. And so that's 30% to 40% of money you're spending is ineffectual and may, in fact, be harmful. So I think I hear you saying something that is a new thought for healthcare, which is this should be a routine practice that everyone should sort of have this and their

doctors should have it in their chart. And it really applies to everyone because eventually as we age, we're all going to be on certain medication and the doctor can save a lot of time and money by just going right to the screen. Right. It's, it's ultimately personalized medicine. It's medicine, not medicine for personalized medicine. It's medicine, not medicine for the masses. It's medicine for you as an individual, which is really at the end of the day, all that matters. It's a single player game.

Your genetics are different than my genetics. I can take meds that you can't and vice versa. So what do people do? They just go to the website, the check, go ahead. We have a click through. I see a click through. Hold on. Caleb, tell me about the click. Go ahead. We have a click-through. I see a click-through.

Hold on. Caleb, tell me about the click-through. Yes, they just have to go to... Hang on a second. I think we have something easier. Yeah, it's really easy. Caleb sets up easy click-throughs for our people. So go ahead.

Just go to drdrew.com slash genetics, or even easier, drdrew.com slash check, C-H-E-C-K, and it'll bring you right to the right page. I also have a quick question, too, that's about this. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Hey, you need this, Caleb. Absolutely. You need this. Absolutely. You absolutely need this. So if you want to tell your story, it's your medical history, but you can tell John if you want. They all know my medical history, so I'm not worried about that. I definitely need it. My wife is definitely going to need it. But this is what I wanted

to bring up. I remembered a few days ago, I guess it was last week, this post went viral on Twitter. And it was someone that's saying, for what it's worth, my wife had a bad experience after testing positive for the MTHFR gene mutation. Started taking certain things, and then her

chronic depression symptoms disappeared, and it's been more effective than SSRIs. And I noticed that that's listed specifically on your website as one of the genes that is tested for. So can you explain just shortly what's the importance of that and why that affects some people so deeply

if they have that mutation? Yeah, different mutations allow you to metabolize different medication, either not at all or differently. And so you, one, can build up toxic metabolites from these medications in your body if you can't metabolize them or if you're a slow metabolizer. Let me give an example. People come in the emergency department all the time and they'd say, I need a lot more opioids than most people because I don't really metabolize them and we all just kind of roll our eyes. But in fact, there's a large segment of the population that opioids don't work for

or they're slow metabolizers. So they, in fact, do require a large amount of opioids. Now, obviously, we try not to. We really try to limit the amount of opioids we use just from all the side effects that people can get from and all the addiction issues. However, if you were one of those people and you have that test, that really allows your physician to tailor your medication towards your particular needs and that that is personalized medicine and that's where we need to go and caleb you know let me ask john schufeld this is that we're we're uh he's not a bunch of fancy um immunomodulating agents for crhn's. Is that on the list? It depends upon the medication.

We listed on the website, there's 260 of them. And I do believe, just off the top of my head, that there's many GI medications that are on it. So I suspect so. I mean, some of these are things

like Humira and... I'm on Skyrizi now. Oh, you're on Sky Rizzy now. But these used to be obscure medicines. Now they're very commonly prescribed. And so, again, people need to be taking advantage of this. Or is there anything else? Have we missed anything that we should be covering

in terms of this topic and motivating people to do personalized healthcare? I don't know if the audience is aware, but personalized prescribing, personalized healthcare is I don't know if the audience is aware, but personalized prescribing, personalized healthcare is a catch word in medicine where we're trying to be less, I don't know how to, you know, less, more specific to the biology of the individual in front of us. That's really our challenge as physicians is to be highly insightful

and not to say in cases like you or in population-based studies, we need to understand you, your unique biology and address it. And one day we will really have that all the way nailed down. But the pharmacogenomics is really the current version of that personalized care that we all should be taking advantage of.

Yeah, you summed it up perfectly. We all share about 99% of genetic material with each other. I mean, we're all basically twins. However, there's about 1% of genetic material that makes us unique individuals. And some of that genetic material allows us or doesn't allow us to metabolize medications. And you have control over that. Not what you're born with, but what medications you're prescribed. So having this test allows your providers to nail it, hit the nail right on the head the first time and not do the shotgun and say, well, let's try this. Let's try this.

Let's try this. It's no, we're doing this because this will work for you. Here's the proof. Yeah. I mean, think how many visits and too much time and discomfort

if it makes you not sleep at night or gives you upset stomach, whatever. I mean, I want to be able to hit the bullseye as much as possible, at least more readily

than I could before. Okay. So it is doctor.com slash check or it's doctor.com slash genetics.

Dr. Shufeld, thank you so much for spending time with us. Is there anything else before I let you go? Nope, you totally crushed it. Thanks for all the service you do. All right, you betcha. Talk to you soon, I trust. All right, everybody, thank you. Do that.

I love the idea that we all should have it in our chart. I had not actually thought of it that broadly, but Dr. Shufeld has sort of shined a little light on that. All right, so let's us put up the upcoming guest here. It's been a fascinating, interesting week, and we appreciate all your support in this. I'm looking at the

restream activity now, and I'll look over at the Rumble Rants. We've got calling out this afternoon, and I'll tell you about that in a second, Penelope Ann Miller on the 25th next week about her movie about Ronald Reagan. Jeremy Kaufman and Britt Mayer, the rooted, what is that? Rooted wings.

I'll pretend that Dr. Scott Atlas. I think that's like her username on somewhere. Some people might recognize that. I am very interested in Britt. I sent her over to Emily. I know with who this is now. Yes, this will be very interesting. And then Susan, tell

us about your calling out show this afternoon. Oh, here I am. There you go. Hi, everyone. Today at 3 p.m., we have Calling Out with Susan Pinsky. I have two psychics and two rationally ready guests who are going to meet each other, Drea DeMatteo and Brian O'Shea.

So we're going to look into a lot of current day topics and the questions behind them, as well as get a couple psychic readings from our callers as well. So it should be fun. Join us. Come and see us. And speaking of Brian O'Shea, we will get our, ooh, what happened there? My camera.

Our friend Brian O'Shea and his wife, Naomi Wolf, we will be meeting them in New York City in a couple of days, which I'm looking forward to very, very much.

All right. So, I believe that does it. Somebody said, calling out is a fun show. Thank you, Aliver Green on Twitch. Love you too.

Alive or Green? Let me make sure I see that. Joshua just told, Joshua and Barzell, hi, on Facebook, Mrs. Pinsky doesn't always tell the truth. Really? He should be on the show. I want to have you on my show, Joshua. I've already decided.

I need to know where she is in telling the truth. give me that information. That would be very, very helpful. Caleb, anything on your front? Nope. I'm excited for calling out. And then my birthday was on the 16th. So my wife is taking me to somewhere. She's surprising me all weekend. So I will be unavailable. Well, not only that, but as part of our world tour coming up, we are literally going to New York, Las Vegas, Alabama, Texas. We are moving around for the next two weeks. So we're going to miss some shows

the week after next, and even next week, I've got to do Gutfeld on Thursday. But we're going to surprise Caleb with a birthday present, aren't we, Susan? Isn't he getting a birthday present from us? Good. We're going to look at it.

No, I'm not even aware. We're going to go visit. We're going to visit you. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're very excited. And we're going to try and get the babies over there, too. Maybe you can meet the babies one of those days.

But, yeah, we're excited. Done. That'd be awesome. Down in the south. Maybe just have fun. Have fun for your birthday. All right, everybody. Thank you, Caleb.

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