Ask Dr. Drew - Max Lugavere: Nutrition Expert Busts “Meat Is Bad For You PSYOP” + Viva Frei on CA Wildfires & Next Canadian PM – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 446

Episode Date: January 19, 2025

Bestselling health journalist Max Lugavere says the Food Pyramid is flawed because it was built upon epidemiology “which is a very weak form of science when it comes to actually informing people in terms of diet.” He says it’s “basically an experiment that’s being played out on the public health stage” and that people should resist the ” ‘meat is bad for you’ psyop.” Max Lugavere is a NYT bestselling author, health journalist, and filmmaker. His books include ‘Genius Foods’ and ‘Genius Kitchen’. He hosts The Genius Life podcast with over 65 million downloads and has appeared on The Joe Rogan Experience, The Today Show, and PBS. His work focuses on brain health, longevity, and nutrition science. Find more at https://maxlugavere.com and follow him at https://x.com/maxlugavere and https://instagram.com/maxlugavere David Freiheit AKA Viva Frei is an attorney and host of “Viva Frei” on Rumble and Locals. He also cohosts the legal podcast “Viva and Barnes Live” at https://VivaBarnes.Locals.com. Follow Viva Frei at https://x.com/thevivafrei 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

our guests today include max lugavere he's a nutrition expert he is a journalist a health journalist and he has taken on a bit about the food pyramid and what a uh well why that is a sham also uh all these precautions about meat and how awful that is we'll get into all of that and his critique of epidemiology as a science upon which to make clinical recommendations. In addition to Max Lugavere, Viva Fry coming in. Of course, attorney, host of Viva Fry on Rumble and Locals. He can be found on X, the Viva Fry, V-I-V-A-F-R-E-I. And Max Lugavere is on X and Instagram at Max Lugavere, L-U-G-A-V-E-R-E.

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or just go to our website drdrew.com slash fatty15. All right. Max is our first guest. We'll bring Viva Fry in after the bottom of the hour. Max Lugavere, as I said, is a health journalist, filmmaker. His books include Genius Foods and Genius Kitchen. And he's appeared all over the place, including on Rogan's show. His Genius Life podcast has over 65 million downloads. I suggest you check that out. And maxlugavere.com, maxlugavere on X and Instagram.

Max, welcome to the program. Dr. Drew, it's great to be here. Thank you so much for having me. So the food pyramid is so clearly, I'm going to try to use some kind language here and say mistaken, misleading, that's kind language. What in the world happened? What were the adulterating influences and how did they get it so wrong? And so pervasive, right? I mean, I grew up with this dietary paradigm imploringated whole grains, you know, the kinds of grains that you might mill for yourself, but like wheat products and grain products. And lo and behold, that paradigm paved the path for the fact that now 60% of the calories that your average adult consumes comes from ultra processed foods that are dominated typically by grains, these subsidized cheap sources of calories. They tend to be extremely nutrient poor. This is why oftentimes

you'll see them fortified with synthetic vitamins. Now, the food pyramid thankfully has been retired, but it was always built on what's referred to as nutritional epidemiology. So looking at large populations, studying how they eat, studying how their health fares. And that's fine for, for example, drugs and things like that. But when it comes to nutrition, something as complicated as nutrition, where people don't eat compounds in isolation, they're consuming whole foods,

nutritional epidemiology often falls short, and that is by and large what our dietary guidelines are comprised of, unfortunately. Yeah, I mean, I generally, I was shocked to see how much epidemiology was looked to during the COVID crisis as some sort of authority on clinical medicine. Epidemiologists brought us here in California severe warnings about what?

Third-hand smoke. Ever heard of that? No, third-hand smoke? Yeah, well, in California where you can't fund our fire departments and we can't keep the population safe or give us roads or function as a government they were so full of their self-satisfaction at what they had done with cigarettes and then what they had done with second-hand smoke which i would argue that that, that's another epidemiological debacle. But no one confronts it because we all lean into it as well.

They mean this is an important thing. We don't want people to smoke, even though there really might not be much to secondhand smoke. And by the way, the campaign here in California was it's worse. It's worse than actually smoking. And then thirdhand smoke was the cancers you get from being around ashtrays. You don't know about this? This was on billboards all over the state. So that's

California. And again, mind you, it would be absurd enough if I didn't have to look out my window and see cities decimated by the lack of governance right outside this window. So that's when this becomes acute, when you see how pathetic these people are

in terms of what they're doing. But have I had epidemiology a little bit? How did that get such an important position in the public conversation, in the public health conversation in particular? Well, at the dawn of nutrition science, I mean, that's really all we had. And I think epidemiology is fine in the field of nutrition.

You know, I don't want to completely throw it under the bus. It's fine for hypothesis generating. And these hypotheses ultimately need to be tested in the randomized control setting, which we have very few of in the field of nutrition. But unfortunately... So hang on, I want to back away. I want to really shine a bright light on what you just said,

because it's really important. Epidemiology, it's a scientific discipline. It's not a scientific method. It creates signals that then we can apply science to, which amongst other things, randomized double-applied placebo-controlled trials. But it's not science in the sense that it speaks from on high. It doesn't create anything except a signal.

Yeah. And particularly, again, in nutrition, like if you were to run a population study on a drug where the baseline exposure is zero, you know, it's very binary, right? Like either you're taking a drug or you're not. Something synthetic created in a lab. But with nutritional epidemiology, oftentimes, the vast majority of the time,

you know, we gather data by way of what is referred to as food frequency questionnaires, which is very unscientific. I mean, these questionnaires are prone to recall various biases with regards to recall. A lot of the times people are not super authentic with the way that they fill them out. There are biases in terms of how we report calorie consumption and the consumption of various foods that we perceive as being unhealthy. And so that's typically the tool that is used. And oftentimes it leads to a lot of biases that emerge in the literature. So for example, you'll see that people who, and this is getting to the red meat is bad for you psyop. Oftentimes a lot of what you'll see is that people

who tend to consume more red meat, for example, they're more likely to drink excessive amounts of alcohol. They're more likely to smoke. They're more likely to lead sedentary lifestyles. So this is referred to sometimes as healthy user bias or multicollinearity. It's, you know, I mean, it depends on how, on the vernacular, but essentially it's very unscientific. And so it yields all kinds of, you know, data that might to the uninformed individual onlooker make sense from a narrative standpoint, you know, but it actually is not borne out in the clinical setting. But nonetheless, this is what has formed the foundation of our dietary guidelines. And so, for years, we've, you know, we've adopted, we've been ingrained with a certain perspective on what it means to eat healthily. That meat is bad, eggs are bad, that grains are good, that we need to eat whole grains. Even more that we have a biological requirement for grains and grain products, which we do not.

And so I think that this is part of the reason why we're seeing such abysmal public health statistics. I mean, today, 42% of the adult population is not just overweight, but obese. About two-thirds of us are either overweight or obese. But actually, we're trending towards a country where 50% of us are going to be clinically obese. About half of us have type 2 diabetes or prediabetes. 90% of us have some component of metabolic syndrome, which I'm sure you're well familiar with. And so it's a really sorry state of affairs. And I think that nutrition is one part of the pie. It's a major slice of the pie. But I think part of the constellation of factors that has led so many of us to be so confused about

what it is that we're eating is this nutritional misinformation that we continue to be spoon fed. So I got a bunch of stuff I want to dig into there. It's interesting, the metabolic syndrome we used to call back in the 80s, and probably just in the 80s, we used to call it syndrome X. And people decided they didn't like that term. And always when we approached it back in the day, the treatment was diet and exercise. That was the treatment. And then if we failed at that, we might think of some other things.

But it was diet and exercise. And that's how I manage it. We always looked at it as a genetically-based condition. Some people just had this proclivity. But now we've pushed ourselves over into where there's maybe little or no genetic potential with our dietary management. We've pushed everybody into this same zone. Yeah, well, you probably remember the Human Genome Project, which was kind of a disappointment completed in, I believe, 2005. The goal of that project was to get to the root cause,

the bottom of all of these conditions that seem to be seem to have been saddling society at that point cardiovascular disease cancer dementia and what turned out to be the case is that these conditions are minimally heritable i mean it's it it can be traced back to epigenetics the way that our genes and our lifestyles interact with our environment and our environment of course includes the food that we're eating yeah talking so but uh you mentioned you used a word that i find uh appropriate but need some drilling into uh you said the meat psyop uh and so before you said that i was going to say well what did what did they do to make this spurious food pyramid so ubiquitous and why were they so self why did they have this righteous

certainty about everything and same thing with meat there's a righteous certitude that is it really immediately doesn't pass my sniff test but it's a psyop they use so tell me what you were thinking when you said the meat psyop. Yeah, well, I grew up, you know, when I was growing up, and this sort of dogma still permeates, I think, much of the zeitgeist with regards to nutrition, that meat is unhealthy. It's something to be consumed sparingly,

that saturated fats found in whole animal source foods are to be consumed in strict moderation. Growing up, I mean, we didn't have butter in my household. We had margarine. We had these fake petroleum-based fats that we now know, I mean, were toxic to the cardiovascular system, to the brain. They were artificially created, partially hydrogenated oils. Yeah. You take a lot of margarine? Yeah.

And I sat around ashtrays all day. I'm dead. And died a long time ago. Speaking of psyops, this is all in your head. But yeah, I completely agree. We are big. You must know Kate Shanahan, right? Yes, yeah.

Yeah, and we've been, I've been an advocate, I've been a fan and advocate for, must be almost 10 years of her research. And yeah, she went right at this early and often and it has borne fruit. And now the climate people picked up the meat thing because they were losing traction on the nutrition side quickly. It completely collapsed, in fact. Yeah.

And I've always actually been quite apolitical. and how we might eat to live longer and more healthily was being corrupted with this sort of covert activism with regards to climate efforts. And I thought that was really unfortunate. And for those that are unfamiliar with my work, I got into this because my mother was very sick. At a young age, she was diagnosed with Lewy body dementia. And I was a generalist journalist, but I had no choice but to become singularly focused

on health when my mom became sick. I mean, she was the most important person in my life. And I grew up with this food pyramid paradigm, you know, seed oils everywhere in my household. We traded, you know, the whole fat, the natural fats found in whole animal source foods for their synthetic counterparts, which we've, you know, only decades later learned were toxic.

And so that's why I have this real chip on my shoulder with regards to helping people better be able to separate fact from fiction. And now, thankfully, I mean, we're getting lots of quality data coming out to the point where it's almost irrefutable. I mean, just last week, the FDA finally acknowledged that eggs, you know, eggs, we can finally refer to eggs as being healthy. It's not that the science changed. It's not that the facts changed, right? The narrative changed. Eggs were never unhealthy. The narrative, God, that's such a, I hate to even have that word in on this conversation about science and epidemiology.

It does not belong in this conversation. And yet they use narrative as a way of maintaining their psy-op, as you said. And now a red dye got taken out today, I think it was, or yesterday. Any thoughts on that? Yo, I think it's definitely a move in the right direction. I don't think that removing synthetic dyes

from the food supply are magically going to make Americans healthy again. I don't think that removing synthetic dyes from the food supplier magically going to make Americans healthy again. I think, you know, the problems are systemic. We over consume ultra processed foods that are highly calorie dense, hyper palatable, nutrient bereft, but I do think it's a, it is a step in the right direction. I mean, these are some, some of these compounds require warning labels in other countries if they're not banned altogether. And this is particularly important for those that don't have a choice but to feed their children every morning these foods

that are saturated with synthetic additives. That's what I want to get into, which is that there is a socioeconomic phenomenology that's operating here too. And it makes me wonder if the public health sort of thinking around nutrition, whether it got adulterated by the early days of the 20th century when starvation and literal malnutrition was on the horizon constantly, and they were trying to fight that.

And then it became, then the pendulum just kept going yeah i mean we have for the vast majority of our time on this planet you know our species had to contend with food scarcity but we've we've solved that problem i mean this is the first time in human history actually where there are more overweight people walking the earth than underweight i mean there are more overweight people i mean we are now suffering from diseases of convenience, diseases of abundance. And, you know, these additives like red dye 3 and the like, I mean, they're added to these foods to just basically pump the bottom line, to be more attractive to children. And, you know, we're seeing startling rates of diabetes, which used to be called adult-onset diabetes, but now we're seeing it diagnosed in children, early hypertension, overweight and obesity. So it's a massive problem.

What's your recommendations? What should we be doing here? What is in your crosshairs and what should we be doing to make this better? Yeah. Well, I think from a nutritional standpoint, I mean, we all ought to be focusing primarily on minimally processed whole foods. And I take a protein-centric approach. I think protein is sort of the unsung hero of the nutrition world. It's not just for bodybuilders. Men, women across the age spectrum, we're starting to see now that diets that are higher in protein seem to produce better brain health outcomes. Also better from the standpoint of metabolic health because protein is the best way

to fortify your skeletal muscle, which is crucial for navigating the world as we get older. Really important to sustain exercise, mobility, to prevent fractures. Also really important from a metabolic health standpoint for keeping blood sugar low. I mean, your muscles are the primary site of glucose disposal. So a lot of people are afraid of eating carbohydrates, but your body can store carbohydrates in your muscle tissue.

You just have to make sure that you're eating in a way that supports them. So I take a protein-centric approach. I'm a big fan of red meat, wild fatty fish, eggs, things like that. And then I also think that the plant kingdom, I mean, the produce section has some really benevolent items. Blueberries, dark leafy greens, I think are fantastic. We should all be prioritizing dark leafy greens. There are pigments in dark leafy greens like lutein and zeaxanthin, which directly support eye and brain health. Research out of Rush University found

that people who eat a bowl of dark leafy greens every day have brains that perform up to 11 years younger. You might be able to slow brain aging by 11 years just by eating a moderate-sized salad every day. So I'm a fan of that. I'm a fan of protein. So hang on. So I want to make sure I understand

what we mean by dark leafy vegetables. Is that kale and broccoli? Or that's cruciferous. So is it kale only? or can we use regular lettuce? Well, yeah, any form really. I mean, arugula is great because it provides inorganic nitrate, which lowers blood pressure, boosts blood flow. Actually, hypertension is one of the key modifiable risk factors for dementia. So you want to make sure that you don't have hypertension and eating dark leafy greens, fantastic way to prevent that. And so yeah, spinach, you don't want to eat too much raw spinach because of the oxalates, particularly if you're prone to kidney stones,

but arugula, kale, romaine lettuce, they're all good. They're very calorie sparse. So they have very low calorie density and yet they provide these important pigments. They provide nitrates, they provide folate. Folate is actually named for foliage. And these are all really important for detox, for brain health. So yeah, I take a whole foods approach. I'm a staunch omnivore. I'm not a carnivore. I'm not a vegan. I think it's really important to hedge your bets and to consume from both sides of the aisle with regards to nutrition. And that's typically my approach. I think I, you know, a lot of people follow me and, you know, I think my work has spread because we live in a

time of extremes on social media in the nutrition space. And I think I, you know, I try to bring balance to my work and recommendations. We're protein centric. That's why the Paleo Valley guys are so, we're so into it. And you gave me a garlic stick. I know, you can't have that right now, but I'm eating one. I can't metabolize the alliums. Paleo Valley beef.

But yeah, I've been a big fan of protein my entire life. I did do a carnivore for a while and gain weight on it. And so I thought, well, that's not working. I got to get some vegetables. And I missed the vegetables and I had palate fatigue and all those things. No problem. Anybody wants to do whatever they want to do. But I'm sort of back in the zone you're into.

And it's interesting. I find that vegetables is very important. Blueberries comes up all the time in terms of nutrient density. Every time I look at things, sometimes raspberries and things, but blueberries is always there at the top of the list. So, you know, carefully sourced, grass-fed beef, blueberries, leafy vegetables, you're pretty much on your way. And then carbohydrates, you don't have to cut them out.

You should. They're good. What do you recommend for carbs? Yeah, that's a great question. Carbs, I think, are a performance-enhancing tool. If you're super active, they can be great. But I do think it's worth acknowledging that there's no such thing as an essential carbohydrate. I'm not a keto zealot. I don't think that everybody necessarily needs such thing as an essential carbohydrate. I'm not a keto

zealot. I don't think that everybody necessarily needs to be low carb. I think carbs are great. Fiber is a form of carbohydrate. But this idea that our diets should be dominated by carbohydrates, I think that's folly. I think that if you take a protein-centric approach, I mean, the whole protein leverage hypothesis, one of the amazing things about our biology is that if you prioritize protein in your diet, you're going to find yourself less inclined to want to consume carbs and fats and things like that. Our hunger mechanisms are calibrated according to this hypothesis, basically by necessity for amino acids, which were the most difficult to come by historically. You know, you had to chase after your protein. Today, we don't have to do that, but our hunger mechanisms

are still running version 1.0 of that operating system. So, you know, I'll fill my plate up with, you know, maybe some rice if I choose to have it or, you know, a sweet potato and things like that. But generally, I'm trying to focus on the fibrous vegetables because we know that fiber is very beneficial from a longevity standpoint, seems to lower inflammation. Fermented foods are fantastic. So I'm a big fan of kimchi, sauerkraut, raw pickles, all amazing, you know, Greek yogurt, stuff like that.

Sauerkraut? She's a big, yeah, big sauerkraut. With caraway seed. She puts caraway in there. I don't know why, but she does. Yeah, it's great. I mean, there's some good data on fermented foods. Like they're anti-inflammatory.

A lot of people struggle with anti-inflammatory or with inflammatory conditions rather. And there's clinical data showing that fermented foods actually have an anti-inflammatory effect. Really good at promoting gut bacterial diversity, supporting your gut microbiome, which we're now starting to learn is important in terms of our systemic health. And so, yeah, so I try to borrow a little bit here and there from traditional wisdom. I try to take an ancestral view. Yeah, I was going to say that

Susan's family heritage harkens from sort of the Bavarian area and they make a lot of these, what'd you say, call them, I'm blanking, fermented vegetables and like particularly sauerkraut. Pickles and sauerkraut. Yeah, and they talk about it as a health, you know, a health thing and that this is something. Lots of meat.

That they feed their kids, then they teach them about the health benefits. And exactly what you said is what is in the cultural ethos in former Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic. Yeah. And also, I'm not like a purist. Like, I don't think that, you know, I would love if we didn't have to pay more to not be poisoned by our food supply.

But that being said, I don't think that you necessarily need to buy organic for everything. So I don't buy organic bananas or avocados or anything like that. And I also don't think that your meat needs to be 100% grass-fed, grass-finished, although that's what my preference, that's what I bring into my house. But we can't let perfect be the enemy of the good, especially today when eggs are reaching all-time highs in terms of their prices. I think ground beef is one of the most economical things that you can buy in the supermarket, and it's a superfood. It's like a literal superfood. I eat a lot of ground beef. I also eat some bison too. I'd throw that in there. Are you a fan of bison meat? I love it. I love bison.

It's lean. It's great. Game, you know, wild game, I think is amazing. Elk, venison, a little gamier. But yeah, I don't think you can go wrong. I really do think that red meat, it's gotten the short end of the stick for so many decades. And we're now starting to gather data.

I mean, there was just a meta-analysis of randomized control trials that found that red meat has virtually no downside from a cardiovascular standpoint, other than maybe a tiny bump in LDL cholesterol. But all of the benefit that you get from eating it, because it's such a nutrient-dense food, I mean, it is not something to be avoided. The idea that animal fat is the cause of modern health problems, of the soaring rates of, you know, obesity, type 2 diabetes, even cardiovascular disease, to me, it makes no sense. Especially in a time when so many of us are just, you know, where our diets have become dominated by vending machine foods. So we've got to stop demonizing whole foods, animal source foods, plant foods, and the like. It's really important to welcome, you know, plant foods, and the like. It's really important to welcome whole foods back to the table. And red meat is one of the most nutrient-dense foods

available to a modern human. Yeah, I completely agree. However, though, all of that gets a little expensive. And I worry that there's a sociological or socioeconomic component of this too. I mean, I remember in the 90s, I was standing in line in a 7-Eleven and this obese woman got in line ahead of me with an Abba Zabba bar and then like a crazy, I don't know, one of the crazy hot foods that they had there that looked just horrible and and some other sort of like twinkies and she and she got to the head of the line and asked for a giant slurpee you know a giant can of sugar essentially and i thought oh my god and she didn't she didn't seem to have any idea that what she was doing was harming her what's that susan what's that Susan what's that they took us down to YouTube now YouTube and Facebook are

off our restream Caleb I don't know what I say I know well now what do we been thinking I like liverwurst I don't know why that would be a thing for you yeah your letter didn't work, Caleb. Probably the meat triggered something. So the average person who has some interest in this, and everyone should have some interest in it, do you have, other than your podcast, is there a good source for people to help them guide themselves? Because people are very confused by all this yeah i find it very hard to to get good information online unless

you're going straight to pubmed and and and the reason for that is that everybody has their biases i mean i have my own biases right but um but i came to this truly because I had a very ill-loved one and I saw the toll that nutritional misinformation can take over a lifetime. And for me, I've dedicated my life to helping people understand how to parse the difference between fact and fiction. And it can be really hard because a lot of physicians today will harbor covert biases that they're not necessarily always forthcoming about. And most physicians are not trained with regards to nutrition anyway.

And then you get people on the nutrition side who seem to have adopted the sort of code and the tribalism and the dogma. Their education that in many ways is bought and paid by the food industry. I mean, I'll just give you an example. The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics doesn't just take gifts from the ultra-processed food industry, but has been revealed in a Washington Post article by Anahat O'Connor to actually have stock in these very companies. So there's this collusion across the board. I mean, we talk about the fact that the FDA, almost 50% of its budget comes from the industry that it's tasked to regulate, right? I mean, but that's across, we see that across the board with every industry,

every regulatory agency almost. And nutrition is no different. So, you know, I just try to do the best that I can and to share people and to foster, you know, scientific literacy, because at the end of the day, I mean, I do think that we live in an incredible time where people should be scientifically literate. Like you have all of the world's knowledge at your fingertips 24 hours a day by way of

your smartphone, right? Like most of us have access to, if not all of us have access to PubMed. We might not have access to all of the studies and whatever. And now with AI, I mean, we're just in the midst of a revolution with regards to the information that like your average person now has access to that just 10 years ago was an impossibility. Yeah. So this article in the Washington Post, even dieticians now on social media, I mean, some of the worst nutrition information that I've seen has come from people with nutrition credentials like dieticians. And that's not to vilify all dieticians. There are

certainly some fantastic ones, but some of the worst nutrition information that I see, the least helpful actually comes from, you know, dietetics influencers and things like that. So it can be really hard to find the information. You keep saying biases, you know, biases,

you have to watch your biases in science and there, people are developing sort of religious kinds. They come to science. They should be completely objective, rational uncertainty, careful analysis of the data, and that's that. The fact that people have these strongly held opinions, boy, is that a mess. 100%.

I like to say that the problem with following the science is that the science follows the money. And the scientific method is great, but's space dating back almost two decades now, if not longer. And billions of dollars lost, decades of hope lost, misplaced. And so, yeah, there's ample fraud. Retraction Watch, actually, there was a blog published on Retraction Watch where it was estimated that almost one in seven scientific papers has some degree of fraud in it. There's almost some component of fraud

in one in seven papers. And I'm very concerned about what gets published, what gets into the major journals and how the peer review process is done. It's kind of a mess right now. Now, you said your mom has Lewy body dementia i'm not thinking of i'm not used to thinking of that one is highly metabolically related did you come cover some data about that well actually um first of all thank you for asking me about that so uh no lewy dementia, at first it was very nonspecific what my mom had.

And so, because most of the research goes into Alzheimer's disease, that's sort of what I put in my crosshairs. But Lewy body dementia has actually more in common with Parkinson's disease. lifestyle risk factors. There's a lot of really interesting data now pointing to an exposure aspect of the pathophysiology of these conditions. Exposure to occupational levels of certain herbicides and pesticides or certain solvents like trichloroethylene, which is still being used. It was actually recently banned. I will say over the past two months, finally banned, but is still being used in certain dry cleaning applications. It's used as a metal degreaser. It was used actually for many years, interestingly enough, in place of hexane to extract seed oils. So it's like this awful compound and it's been in the pathophysiology of Parkinson's disease. And Lewy body dementia is closely related to

Parkinson's disease in the sense that they're both related to a protein called alpha-synuclein and movement and the like. So yeah, it's a- It's a rough, it's a really rough illness. It's what Robin Williams had that one too, that was later revealed. Are you hopeful that RFK juniors go in and we can be healthier? You know, I am.

I'm from removing food dyes again, although I think that's a great start. I think by getting the conflicts of interest out of our regulatory agencies, I think that's a fantastic, I think, you know, one thing that I would like, a seed that I would like to plant in the, you know, in the administration, if it's a possibility, is to make it illegal for ultra-processed foods to make health claims. You know, what you'll find in the supermarket is that the healthiest foods typically don't make health claims. It's all the ultra-processed junk, whether we're talking these, you know, ultra-processed seed oils or even commercial cereals aimed towards children, you know, lowers cholesterol, heart healthy.

Yeah, yeah. I think that should be illegal. I think getting the drug ads off of our televisions, I think. I agree. Yeah. So I definitely think that there are some really solid things that he can do. I think making it elite and snap money on sugar, sweetened beverages like sodas, 10% of snap spending goes towards soda,

which is like, you know, a new study just came out finding it. Well, for millions of, of cardiovascular disease cases and cases of type two diabetes worldwide, just sugar, sweetened beverages alone.

And we're spending, you know, tax taxpayers are basically paying for that disease burden. Just sugar, sweetened beverages alone. And we're spending, you know, tax. Taxpayers are basically paying for that disease burden. So yeah, a lot that he can do. I'm very hopeful. I don't know how it's going to shake out, but I'm optimistic. Yeah, me too.

Max, I'm going to let you go. People should obviously watch. Well, if you should get Genius Foods or Genius Kitchen, Genius Life Podcast, follow Max Lugavere, L-U-G-A-V-E-R-E at maxlugavere.com and also on X and Instagram. Max, I'm a fan and a supporter, so I appreciate you being here. Whatever we can do, we're here for you. Thanks, Dr. Drew.

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Again, vivafry.com and thevivafry on X. And, of course, Viva and Barnes Live, as well as Viva Fry on Rumble and Locals. Viva, welcome back. How is the great state or territory, maybe it would have to be a territory first, of Canada doing? Well, I was up there for Christmas, but I'm telling you, I'm glad to be down in the free state of Florida. It's a different world. It's a different culture. It's a different political perspective. I'm convinced that a large portion of it is actually dictated by seasonal affective depression disorder, sad. I'm telling you, what Canadians

put up with in terms of politics, there has to be some sort of biological phenomenon to explain it because it's madness. But Trudeau looks like he's out the door or at least very slowly walking out. He has said some things like, I've heard sort of reports about him saying, well,

I really wasn't a decision maker. I was just somebody to feel good mouthpiece. And there were other people really making the decisions. Was that true? Or is he part of the terrible decisions being made or the source? I think I might have been guilty of blaming Trudeau individually more than is warranted because it's true. He's part of a globalist regime. I mean, there's no other way to say it.

It sounds crazy, but I think we can understand it's the reality and right now what we're seeing is like the new boss is going to be just as bad as the old boss if not worse this mark carney guy who's out doing a press tour with john stewart and the other propagandists doing videos you know like if you don't get with climate change if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem and you'll suffer the consequences i mean the new boss is going to be just as bad. So what has to happen is it's not just a question of Trudeau as a figurehead leaving the liberal party to be replaced by another globalist WEF figurehead. The liberals need to have their asses handed to them in the next federal election. And God willing, that will happen. The only question is, will the

conservatives be that much better than the liberals? They'll be less bad. So it'll be a step at least not in the bad direction just as quickly. I am so bewildered by so much of this, the climate stuff, unless it is really just to control populations. Because, you know, if you really were actually concerned about climate in this state, in particular in California, you'd be worried about forestry management because we undid 20 years of CO2 reduction with four years of fires. We also would be looking at CO2 capture. That would be an important thing. And if we really believed bad things were coming, why aren't they governing to that point? Why aren't they governing for preparation point? Why aren't they governing for preparation to these horrible things they keep preparing? Instead, they're buying houses on the

coast. And if you really think there's going to be a problem, help us be safe. Do government, okay? What do you think? Drew, they are, in the name of the climate crisis, they are outsourcing pollution to the biggest polluters. So you get Canada. Canada, I don't say it could be wiped off. Canada could cease any emissions whatsoever tomorrow. And you'd reduce global emissions by one and a quarter percent. All that they end up doing is, well, we're going to cut national production of gas and oil.

So we go beg for it from Saudi Arabia and Venezuela, who are not the cleanest of producers. We're going to go green. California wants to go green. It's terrible. I can't make a joke. It's gone up in flames before it went green. And so we're going to get renewable green cars from China, solar panels from China,

minerals that are turning third world nations or developing nations into toxic hell holes. And so in the name of climate protection, all that they're doing is outsourcing the pollution to the worst of the polluters. So it's nothing to do with the climate crisis, even assuming their own premises, which I do not accept.

It is about crippling the national economy and becoming subservient to and basically controlled by China and India, oddly enough, two of the countries that have the most influence in Canadian politics. And the most influence on the CO2 production and potentially

climate change, if that's what we believe or believe to be true. Yeah, I don't get it. I'm concerned about it. I think it's going to stop in this country for a while, at least reduce. I was part of the ecology movement in the 70s. You're maybe a little too young to remember that.

And our thing was we had three things. I was into it. I was crying from on high. There was going to be an ice age, number one. Number two, acid rain was going to be an ice age, number one. Number two, acid rain was going to destroy us. And number three, there was going to be an international famine that was

and we ran out of oil. But the international famine was unavoidable. I gave it 10 years, maybe 20 before it ran out of oil. That was 1977. So, got that wrong. These things are hard to predict. Humans adapt. Go ahead.

No, it's not just got it wrong, but they were so convinced at the time. Look, I was born in 79, but I do remember the global cooling big scare. And I remember the National Geographic that was talking about global cooling. And the reality is global cooling is much more of

an existential threat than so-called global warming, which doesn't exist to the point where they had to change it to climate crisis. And so they were as convinced then as the idiots are convinced now. And like the true idiots that they are, they say, oh, well, we didn't have all the information back then. Now we have it. And in 20 years, five years, 10 years, 15 years, we're not going to say the exact same thing. The reality is, I'm choking on my own tongue, getting so angry here. They are acting on incomplete information as though they have the complete information. And they went from global cooling to AOC, Al Gore talking about 12 years left. And the reality is the earth gets warmer, even if it does. The stuff that produces the oxygen and consumes the CO2 grows even faster.

It is nothing more than a question of control. The trees. The trees. It seems to be. It, again, feels like religion. It's a weird – as religion has gone down, humans have found these other religious causes to supplant that particular instinct it seems like and it is destructive well no it's the government replacing itself for god for family and using the same tools to control to control the population it is bad religion

there's good religion there's bad religion but it is nothing more than a tool of control a tool of of you know enhancing one's self-worth and in the case of the wef penetrated cabinet that is the canadian government these people are trying to secure positions on future globalist entities and so they can basically invest in their own future by selling their country uh down the river i don't think that's the right that's a mixed analogy but you know what i'm getting at by by destroying their own country but at least they they secure their own sense of importance in the meantime and potential future business prospects in the long run bad religion good band by the way great guys uh but the where where did you go back to for

christmas where what city were you i went back to montreal and then we went up to the college which is in the saint. Agathe region. It's beautiful. But I was there for 12 days. I already started getting depressed. You wake up, it's dark. If you're lucky, the sun comes out, but then it starts going down at 3.30 in the afternoon. I was driving the car, and it's like the sun is setting.

I was like, God has said by 3.30 in the afternoon, you've had enough sunlight. It is time to put it behind the clouds now. So I went up there. Winter is beautiful. But going into Canada, it feels like I'm going into an insane asylum. You get up there. Everybody's stressed. And maybe I'm projecting, but I think I'm pretty accurate. Everybody looks mildly unhappy. Everybody is upset to go outside. The ratio or proportion of people wearing face masks is exponentially higher and it's i feel bad because you're dealing with a population that is purely broken and they've been driven into a state of terror to the point where they're still where you know they're wearing their

kipas they're wearing their religious garbs except it's a face mask and they think it's going to protect them they think it means that they're a good, thoughtful, loving neighbor. I was very happy to actually get back into America and not be detained by Justin Trudeau. But at that point, I think he was dealing with so much crisis that I just heard the drums. But I was not prime focus of his concerns then. But he's announced his intention to resign. Christia Freeland, Mark Carney are seemingly vying for the position. It's going to be the devil you know replacing the devil or the devil you don't know for the devil you do and whatever but we'll see what happens is there any enthusiasm to become a territory or a state for this country in any region of canada if there is a region, it would be Manitoba, Alberta, Saskatchewan, basically the

Texas adjacent ideology. I say that in a good way, actually. People who don't want to be subjects or subservient subjects of the government, they've always had a different mentality. Quebec wants to separate from Canada. They don't want to separate from canada to join america and and nor does america necessarily even want uh you know quebec and its ideology because look at quebec uh was the the most locked down province in canada and it was you know we lived under curfews we lived under medical tyranny vaccine passports qr codes and not only did the french population not revolt, they reelected that jackass François Legault. I call him the sunset thief. They reelected that guy and gave him more power. So some people need to be, you know, like being governed harder. Some people like the

government making their mistakes for them. It absolves themselves of responsibility. And Ontario, Ontario would sooner join Michigan and Governor Whitmer, at least broadly speaking, than join America. But I don't think there's any serious consideration for it in Canada. I don't think it's a serious proposal from Trump. It's about softening up the turkey to deal with the negotiations that are coming, which is you better fix up your freaking porous border, Canada, because we've got more terrorists coming from Canada than from Mexico. And if you don't fix up your crap, I'll joke and show you that you're the subservient little brother to the big brother. But if you don't fix up your crap, we'll tariff

you into submission. So Ontario is where Montreal is, where you were. He said he no, isn't it? No, no. Montreal's in Quebec. Toronto is in Ontario. The armpit of Canada is Toronto.

Montreal, Quebec, Toronto, Ontario, and Ottawa, where the trucker protest was, is the capital of Canada. That's in Ontario as well. Got it. I was thinking Toronto when I said Montreal. I should have realized that. When he said he wanted to make it the 51st state, I think I said out loud

you're going to have to just exclude Quebec. There's zero probability of that happening well you have to exclude quebec and ontario you're going you want to amalgamate more uh people who are scared of firearms i mean like you wouldn't want to amalgamate ontario and i think i shared with you when i was in british columbia three or four months ago the they were there was so so so nice and i was i was at ground zero of your woke canadians at in uh victoria and uh they were super nice unless you you did something that scratched under the surface and then there was seething rage came flying at you and i thought oh that's that's what this is this is like a

conversion reaction the niceness is a compensation for all that rage well there is there's a direct analogy between you know capital l liberals in canada or ndp progressives and capital d democrats it's uh you know we're loving intolerance unless you disagree with me then you become a big Nazi fascist uh and when you go out, British Columbia is grounds. British Columbia would sooner join Portland, Oregon than join Texas or Florida. And British Columbia was

when on Victoria Island or Vancouver Island, they flew the menstruation equity flag at City Hall. I mean, this is how nuts the West of Canada has gotten. So if you want to incorporate, Canada would become like four different states and you'd have to decide which one you wanted.

You'd have the Maritimes, the French books. I know, it really is very different. Yeah, the Saskatchewan, Alberta, that's where people use their hands, till the soil, ranch, you know, and then those people, guess what? They're connected to reality all the time. Your Montreal is university centric and that, you know, it's a nirvana for students.

But that's about it. Right. Well, that's and for those who don't truly appreciate this, the Trudeau liberal government has really exploited the say the Western provinces, Alberta, Manitoba, Saskatchewan for natural resources and then they redistribute the proceeds of that provincial wealth to the lesser uh you know uh have not provinces that being Quebec and the Maritimes and so the same time while they're basically shutting down domestic oil production the oil sands and all that and the pipelines they're stripping those provinces of their wealth because they contribute more because they have natural resources and then divvy it up among the have not provinces so the west has a resentment towards the east and uh what is it ontario and quebec i think amounts for if it's not like it's 40 to 60 percent of the population of canada so basically the provinces of quebec and ontario effectively dictate national politics so out west they harbor a great

deal of resentment towards the east to the point where they want to separate and they want to call it Wexit, which is the West exiting from Canada. Quebec wants to separate. Their federal party is dedicated to separating from the Federation. So all that to say the proposal is not a serious proposal. It's a it's a negotiation tactic. And I think the Harper government or at least the Harper, the conservative Pierre Poiliev opposition party, they'll play tough and they'll pretend, but when they get into power, they're going to have to start negotiating and understand they're negotiating from the position that they are,

which is a position of weakness, and they have to negotiate properly. I want to guess at a translation for our non-Canadian listeners and viewers, which is the Maritimes i guess is nova scotia and newfoundland yeah you got newfoundland uh newfoundland newfoundland labrador which newfoundland is called the rock it's an island unto itself literally uh then you got nova scotia new brunswick prince edward island which are the maritimes and then and they're all they're they're beautiful by the way i mean it's it's it's objectively beautiful territory then you get quebec ontario and then you get Quebec, Ontario,

and then you get to Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba. I think I might have gotten the order mixed up. British Columbia. Then you got the Northwest Territories. You're doing a good sales job to make this. You're making this a sales job to, maybe we should take this state. We should, maybe we want this thing.

Maybe it's not just- You shouldn't want, I don't know what I'm saying, like Trump should want one of the provinces to connect Alaska to America. The meme, the AI image makes no sense. We have to drive through Canada to get to America. One of those provinces to connect Alaska to America would make perfect sense.

There you go. Perfect sense. What happened to the guy, the conservative leader that got famous when he was showing disdain, eating that apple in the interview with the journalist. I thought that guy was going to show up again right about now, no? Well, his name is Pierre Poilier. People always have a difficult time pronouncing it. He's still the leader of the Conservative Party, which is technically the opposition party to the Liberals.

He looks like he's going to be technically not the next prime minister of canada because the next replacement for trudeau will be the next one but he'll be the next one after a federal election whether people like it or not oh you know he's better than trudeau the conservatives in canada are liberal lights like i like to say driving at the speed limit uh policy-wise in every respect so you know in terms of the wokeness there you know they they give re-education to their um members of parliament who don't gender people properly they voted unanimously for the conversion therapy ban bill which you know basically says you can tell it you can't tell a trans kid that they're not trans but you can tell a straight kid that they're gay and

trans whatever it's it's a one-way conversion therapy ban. So they're not much better, but they're definitely less bad than the Liberals. So if nothing else to stop the bleeding that is the political destruction in Canada, to get the border under control, to get visas under control, to get inflation under control, to bring back domestic energy, it'd be good. So we'll see what that holds. An election no later than September, October of 2025, earlier potentially if they trigger a non-confidence vote,

pass the resolution, and then trigger an election earlier. So California is Canada-lite. Maybe not even light because Trudeau and Newsom are very very similar dudes and I was thinking when I was looking at all the Canadian planes that we had to hire to come down here to fight the fires with us you know at least Canada is realistic about forestry management

they manage, they can actually do their forestry management, they aren't so ideologically and financially strapped that they can't do basic, basic safety and government for the people. We can't do that in California. Well, Drew, not to correct you, but look up the Jasper fires. I mean, Canada has been having its own forest fire crisis as well. They seem to have the planes at least, but the amazing thing is there are more similarities between Trudeau and Gavin Newsom than you can necessarily even appreciate.

We had our forest fire crisis. It was not last summer, but the summer before. They blamed it on climate change. In reality, it was not quite as bad forest management as California, but we also have a wetter climate. It was arson in many cases. The Nova Scotia fire was arson. There's some strong suspicions that the Jasper fires were exacerbated by a government incompetence. Justin Trudeau donated our PPE to China before COVID was coming in February 2020. Gavin Newsom donating fire equipment to Ukraine in the year and a half leading up to this disaster. No, no, it's wild. And the more they fail and the more damage that results from their grotesque, I believe it's criminal negligence, the more they pat themselves on the back for how they respond

to the crisis of their own making. They're scumbags of the highest order. I just don't know who's worse between Newsom and Trudeau. When are we in this country going to have any sort of reduction of qualified immunity? When will we be able to break through and hold elected officials liable to some degree for the horrific choices they make? I mean, this is a question that Robert Barnes and I often get. I mean, I leave it to Barnes to feel the answer, and I've heard his answer, and I understand. It requires legislative reform. I mean, this is a question that Robert Barnes and I often get. I mean, I leave it to Barnes to field the answer, and I've heard his answer, and I understand. It requires legislative reform. I mean, the ultimate irony, these, I can say jackasses, right?

The jackasses who are flipping out about presidential immunity don't understand you have judicial immunity. No, no, they flip out about that like, oh, now Trump can do it. They don't understand there's judicial immunity. There's qualified immunity. There's qualified immunity. Judges have immunity. Police officers have. And by and large, it's either good for the goose or good for the gander or whichever. It's either good for all or good for none.

I'd be more inclined to say good for none. But once it's there, you're not going to treat the president, the head of the executive, differently. But no, it needs to be tamped back. At the very least, they need to be held responsible for egregious criminal negligence. There is no way to explain away why the fire hydrants didn't have water in California. None. And you get these scumbags who come out and say, well, we had three one million gallon reservoirs and they ran dry because of the demand. Then you failed.

And your one million gallon reservoirs and they ran dry because of the demand. Then you failed and your 1 million gallon reservoirs, that's fine. That's what's supposed to be the intermediary between the 117 million gallon reservoir that was empty and the fires. You don't get to say we did our best and commend us on our response. There needs to be political and potential judicial consequences for this. Hopefully, there will be at the very least. That might be the smallest of the silver linings. there needs to be political and potential judicial consequences for this hopefully this you know there will be at the very least that might be the smallest of the silver linings but drew you tell me i mean you're from california i've been told by people that gavin newsom his popularity is not really taking a hiss uh i don't know that that's true um because the people that don't like him are becoming very vocal and really fed up. I don't know.

If indeed that's true, I've lost all faith in this state. I mean, it at least should be eroded. But what I keep saying is, hey, look, we all know about the story of the Boeing aircrafts with the doors blowing off. Guess what? The CEO was replaced a few weeks later.

That's it. You take the leaders out, you replace them, you get people in and you can do the job. That's it. That's the way things work. And we don't have leaders. And leadership itself has been, I didn't realize how much leadership itself had been under attack in all this craziness of the last 10 years. People, leadership sort of went under toxic masculinity.

Karen Bass could have just said, I took my eye off the ball. It'll never happen again. I promise you, this will be solved. That's it. Simple. And then go at it. Figure it out so it never happens again. No, well, that would have been better.

What they have to do is like, this is a catastrophic failure. I have failed. I should make room for do is like, this is a catastrophic failure. I have failed. I should make room for someone who will, A, remedy my problem. I don't think that will happen. No, no, of course it's not going to happen because it'll be racist. I don't know, lesbophobic, homophobic. The whole thing is they put these figureheads in these positions of leadership, put it in quotes, specifically so that you cannot attack

them afterwards without being subjected to the label of racist misogynist homophobic whatever and so it it's amazing like you try not to draw these connections but other than newsome everyone you see fits something of a diversity higher and whether or not they were the fact that you're looking at this every single one of the people at the at the at the summit of this incompetence looks like they fit a dei higher and then if you say something like do they even are they even competent oh then you become the bigot misogynist phobe whatever the bottom line it's all criminal incompetence criminal negligence and there's no way to explain it away. Oh, there's nothing we

could have done. Horse crap. I'm learning this, but the Santa Ana winds, the dry season with the heavy winds is not new. Forest fires are not new. That Santa Ines reservoir being empty was not new, and it was empty for a minor repair that should have been done a year ago. And the diverting of the water for the Sacramento or the San Joaquin Delta smelt, not new. Fire hydrants not working or having been stolen for metal, not new.

So you have all this time to prepare for it, but instead, you're spending money on woke nonsense, supporting a homeless population that you've exacerbated the number of

through your immigration policies and sanctuary city status. And then you get arsonists who are illegal immigrants, and then you're not cooperating with ICE. I mean, jail for all of them. Nothing less will do. Yeah, it is the fact that...

And by the way, just sanctioned $50 million to Trump-proof the state right on the day of the fire. In the middle of the fire, they put more money into... I mean, you can't make this stuff up. But I want to give you an opportunity to sort of, I don't know if it'd be strengthen your position on some of the aim you were taking at the leadership. Have you seen the LA Fire Department chief? She is a gay woman, and she is fantastic. She is a gay woman, and she is fantastic. She is amazing.

So I want to point out that whether or not she is a D, whatever got her in that position, there are competent people here and there in these positions. And they jump out at you. You see it like, oh, that's leadership. That woman is. And by the way, she called out all the failures of the government. She called them all out. Just said, this is what happened. She has to defend the firemen on the lines.

And their lives were endangered as well as the property they were trying to protect. She is exceptional. Go ahead. I'm not sure. Now I'm getting confused because there was one who said she didn't know how the water got to the fire hydrants. When asked as to why they were empty. There was the other one who said she didn't know how the water got to the fire hydrants. Wouldn't ask as to why they were empty. There was the other one who said... Yeah, there were several people like that. But the chief, keep your eye on her.

She performed admirably. But she was rendered ineffective by the... There she is. By the incompetency all around her. Now, you could argue that maybe she should have been on that preparing for it, but I don't see how a fireman could deal with

the infrastructure and the credible bureaucracy of this state and this city. By the way, you don't hear so many complaints about Pasadena. Pasadena, this fire was horrific, but this group also performed well. We're like a separate country over here in Pasadena, and our own everything, our own water and power, our own everything. We don't have brownouts here.

We don't have water problems here. We have a fire department, a police department that functioned beautifully. Our police chief, he was another one that got up and was like, that's a leader. Let him do his job. And so it wasn't all bad. But where it was bad, the hand needs to be held to the fire, for lack of a better metaphor. There's no question also, like when you criticize the machine and then some people say, well, be appreciative of the firefighters whose hands are tied. There's no question about that.

And those pilots, you've seen the guys flying those planes or the people, I don't know if they're guys, flying those planes. And yeah, and picking up water, skimming the ocean, flying those planes or the people. I don't know if they're guys flying those planes. And yeah, and picking up water, skimming the ocean, dumping it down with pinpoint precision. The firefighters risking their lives with inadequate support. I mean, that's the issue is that it makes everything worse and more dangerous for everybody. But in the meantime, what did they have? They had like a midnight LGBT walk that they spent a couple hundred thousand dollars on. Where they spent money, hundred thousand dollars on the where they spent money it wasn't all of it but it's laughable because it just shows you where the

priorities are and apparently and i've heard it i refuse to believe it but apparently i'm told it's true that they're holding up fire trucks from entering to fight because they don't respect california carbon emissions drew have you heard this? Confirmed. They have to take them first to Sacramento for clearance before they can be brought down here. That is confirmed. That's jail. That is a jailable offense of good sense and morality. It's like I don't need to hear anything more than that. And hopefully, God will.

Well, that's the conceit. So how do we get or you're gonna have to on your show today or tomorrow you're gonna have to ask barnes how to get around qualified immunity to criminal negligence because that's what this all is it's it's negligent manslaughter what we need is some sort of independent federal investigation because and i think you know the i'm surprised that gavin newsom's name hasn't come up for a preemptive pardon yet because under a trump administration you're going to look into where the federal funds have been going well what have they been doing with all of this money and so i i have a sneaking suspicion there's probably some on a lack of

accountability potential uh potential fraud as to what was done with the however many billions of dollars they get and then in terms of policy-wise, that's a federal investigation because the state won't investigate itself. But see, if the only silver lining is that... Are you aware that we've been promised fast trains

in this state? A fast train from Las Vegas to somewhere out here in the Valley. A fast train. You're saying it was just a rumor, Caleb? I heard it was confirmed. I just wanted to point that out because it was spread by some people,

but they had false information, and they went back and they deleted those posts and pulled them back. There were maybe some brief holdups, but it was a statement that was put out by the Oregon fire marshal that was trying to clear it up. Now, maybe they could be lying.

They could be doing that because it was bad PR, but just from the fire marshal is basically saying that's not what actually happened. I heard there was some sort of clearance process. It made perfect sense for what they do here in terms of how things function. It did not seem the least bit sort of eyebrow-raising. It just seemed a good example of how pathetic things are here.

But okay, it's not confirmed. Let's withdraw that. I'll read what Grok offered. Grok has become my best friend. It says, no, fire trucks from other states were not retained or turned away due to emission compliance. Instead, they underwent routine safety checks before being deployed to fight wildfires in Southern California. The checks

focused on ensuring that the vehicles were mechanically sound and safe for deployment, not for emissions or testing. Okay, and they both clarified that no emission or smog testing was performed and all out-of-state vehicles were serviced and allowed to proceed to the fire zones. Okay.

I mean, it could be small. Yeah. Listen, I look for opportunities to apologize that we were wrong and wherever I heard it having been confirmed, I should have

double-checked on that. I want to apologize in the strongest words possible. I got that wrong. I will be more careful next time. And if there's something I need to make an apology

more directly to somebody who was insulted by this, I will be happy to do so. Well, the other reality is that they might have backtracked real quick. It's a fog of war. That's what I wonder. You know, like, oh, yeah. Oh, no, of course. At very minimum, you should be embarrassed that I would believe a story like that, that it made perfect sense in the setting of how things are done here in California.

No, we don't know what to believe. Right. Because the fact is stranger than the fiction. Well, I mean, when you hear that the 117 million gallon reservoir was empty because of a tear in the cloth because they didn't want bird poop and dirt getting in the water or or that they're diverting fresh water into the san joaquin delta to dilute the solidity for the delta smelt which hasn't been seen in six years i mean look i don't know what's worse okay fine you know that but the bottom line is like you say the amount of effort that goes into climate change climate crisis management and then they don't do something that results in an abject disaster like this with the emissions that are going to be worse. They ban

wood-burning stoves in Montreal. We can't get good bagels here anymore or up there, and then you have a forest fire that emits whatever. Why? Why can't you get good bagels? They don't do wood-burning stoves. Some of them have been grandfathered in, but if you

get a bagel that comes out of a non-wood burning stove, you can't burn wood. You put CO2 in the environment. Is that how bagels are made? Maybe some. I'm not aware of that. Particularly the ones that Viva likes are. Although I don't do carbs

anymore, Drew, but a nice black-seeded bagel. They have these brick kilns, and then they stick them in on the wood plank. Delicious. Wood stoves. more drew but a nice black seeded bagel and they have these like uh what are they brick brick kilns and then you stick them in on the wood plank delicious but uh yeah nice so bad for the environment i understand that i understand the carb cut if you want to do that a wood stove in a bagel place oh first time so what are you and barnes getting into going forward uh we're covering this inauguration is on monday so i say touchwood uh there will be it'll go off without incident um and uh right now we're i mean we're paying attention to the

the upcoming pardons between biden and trump who's piden going to pardon on the way out who's trump going to pardon on the way in i am uh vocally pushing and hoping that it's heard it obviously is because a lot of people pushing it. Pardons for all the Jan 6ers, all of them without exception. No piecemeal. We'll go case by case and see who committed. Pardon all of them on day one. And other than that, you know, the world keeps spinning and every day is crazy in the last.

But we'll be focusing on California as it's it is too absurd to believe these systematic failures i mean i put together a top 10 of things that are supposed rumors confirmed fact at the end of the day and it cannot be by accident that you can't have this much incompetence layer after layer after layer without it being uh at least calculatedly deliberate in a way so we'll be following that. These are the globalists you're taking aim at? Is that who's deliberately doing this to us? It's unclear, but the crisis produces the result that they wanted in the first place,

which is now, oh, we're going to have to rebuild. We'll make it a nice, clean 15-minute city. Oh, you can't rebuild in Malibu now. We're going to bring back the ancestral burial grounds of Native Americans. So whatever is happening, it's certainly fitting the agenda of the very people who implemented all the policies that have resulted in this crisis metastasizing. So it's not an accident. It's deliberate layered incompetence, I think is how Bongino refers to it. It is anything but governing. Just anything. Well, listen, my friend, it is good to see you. I hope your

wife and kids are good. I will look forward to having another barbecue down there with you one of these days. We are frequenting Florida an awful lot and we enjoy it every time we go. That was the best. The next time you come down, we're going to have a real days. We are frequenting Florida an awful lot and we enjoy it every time we go. The next time you come down, we're going to have a real charcoal barbecue with that beautiful red meat from Easy Meats

on Glades. It's the best, not an ad, but it's the best meat on earth. Drew, next time you guys are down, for sure. Good. Eva, good to see you. We'll look for you on your and Barnes podcast. Take care. Amazing. Thank you. Thanks for joining us. Love him. Alright, the great view of Barnes.

Coming up for us, I'm Viva and Barnes, right? The great view of a fry, of course. And you can find him on X and Instagram and everywhere. And on his show at Rumble. Tomorrow, Dave Rubin's going to join us early at noon, speaking of Florida. And Susan, we'll have her calling out at 3 o'clock.

Do you want to... I'm going to do a prediction show tomorrow with three psychic mediums. And we'll ask them if they're going to part in January Sixers. Oh, interesting. That's going to be my first question. There's your group there.

Is that... Who are the groups? It's going to be Andrew, Lauren, Rebecca. Lauren Rainbow and Rebecca Fearing. And then Salty Cracker next week, Toby Rogers, Peter McCullough, Beatrice Rosen. She's a French actress, also an actress over here in the United States.

And she has a really interesting perspective. I saw her in a French radio program. I thought we should get her on this. She's speaking out broadly in France. Okay, we will get all that going. So tomorrow is at noon. You don't want to miss the great Dave Rubin.

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