Ask Dr. Drew - Measles Deaths: PA Coroner Says Media Is Lying About Unvaccinated Baby, RFK Alleges They May Be Fabricated – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 660

Episode Date: August 28, 2026

“The Governor claimed there were two deaths in Lancaster County – the first deaths from Measles in the U.S. in 35 years,” writes Lancaster County Commissioner Josh Parsons. “The story unravels: I then conducted an investigation and learned from the Lancaster County Coroner that there were zero reported measles deaths in Lancaster County… [even though] law requires deaths from contagious disease such as measles to be reported to the Coroner.” In headlines reminiscent of the pandemic panic, NBC reported an “Infant in Pennsylvania is one of two people reported to die of measles this week.” Local officials are likening this to the politically-motivated death count inflation during the pandemic, which frequently included people who “died WITH Covid” even if other health issues were actually their cause of death. “Lancaster County Coroner Steve Diamantoni said the cause of death was not from the measles,” Commissioner Parsons reports. “The newborn died shortly after birth from a laceration of the spleen, although measles antibodies were present in postmortem testing… We still know nothing about the second reported death. There has not even been an effort, to my knowledge, to explain this death or provide any details whatsoever – beyond “unvaccinated.”” Dr. Josef Witt-Doerring, psychiatrist and former FDA medical officer, speaks on the measles headlines, Hayden Panettiere’s sudden death, and marijuana psychosis. Eric Bolling, host of TheEDGE, joins to discuss his Main Street America Tour, the Iran war, and gas prices. Steve Lance, executive producer of UNBROKEN: The Untold Story of Shen Yun, discusses the threats and alleged Chinese Communist Party interference documented by his film. Eric Bolling is the host of TheEDGE and a two-time NYT bestselling author. Follow at https://x.com/ericbolling Steve Lance is an Executive Producer with Sincere Pictures. In UNBROKEN: The Untold Story of Shen Yun, Lance leads the film’s investigative narrative, examining threats, sabotage attempts, and the broader campaign targeting the performing arts company. Find more at https://unbrokenshenyunmovie.com Dr. Josef Witt-Doerring is a board-certified psychiatrist, former FDA Medical Officer, and Medical Director of TaperClinic, one of the only practices focused exclusively on helping people safely de-prescribe from psychiatric medications. He previously worked at Janssen Pharmaceuticals and the FDA’s Division of Psychiatry. Follow at https://x.com/drjosefWD 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • BIOPRO - BioPro+® is a natural formula of growth factors and peptides that support how you look, feel & perform. Learn more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/biopro⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We're talking about measles vaccines with him. And that's Steve Lance. Talk a little bit of intrusion by the Chinese Communist Party. In the meantime, Governor Shapiro in Pennsylvania announced that there have been some deaths in Lancaster County this week, including an infant. But it turns out maybe that was apocryphal. And even if it had been true, there was a lot of concern about this was dying with the virus, than from the virus. Lancaster County Commissioner says the coroner's report zero measles death this year.

So something going on, perhaps retaliation for some of the FDA changes. We don't know. Be that as that it may, we'll discuss this today with, as I said, Joseph Witt Daringwell. Also talk little Hayden Panitary, Lindsay Clancy. Steve Lance, executive producer of Unbroken, the untold story of Shen Yun. Here to talk about what happens when this, what happened when the Chinese dance company got big enough to draw threats, sabotage, and a smear campaign that, guess what? Caleb found, fell victim to, tied to the Chinese Communist Party. You can follow him at Steve Lance NTD. But first, as I said,

Eric Bowling is back. He hosts The Edge. Launched the Five at Fox. Fast Monday to CNBC won two Emmys for Florida free. Here to speak about his Main Street America tour. Actually, he's on Main Street, on the road in the street talking to us, and we'll be with us right after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this. He was an alcoholic because of social media

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It is the host there and it's a great show. And he brings us his wisdom today, literally from the road in America. How are you, sir? Doc, I left Palm Beach around 7.30 this morning. I'm now just outside of Pensacola, just now landing. And had to pull over the side of the road. so it's out of the back of a hatch out of an SUV. But I had to get on with you because there's so many important things to do.

And you're right. We're literally on the road. We're heading over to Florida, Alabama, which sits right on the Florida, Alabama border. We're going to do a show there, Doc,

tomorrow live, 4 p.m. Eastern on Real American's voice. Governor DeSantis is going to be on stage with me for the full hour. We'll ask him about everything. Talk about what he's, including what his plans are, you know,

he's term limited. So when he's finished in November or January, when they swear in, probably Byron Biron Donald's. Is this going to be in the panhandle or are you going to continue east? So it's literally built on the Florida and Alabama border. So the state line runs through the bar. So around two in the morning, Florida closes, Alabama's open for another hour because

they're an hour behind. Everyone walks over to the other side of the bar. Oh, that's a terrible. I've done a show there before. Doc is so Americana. I'll give you out. Here's how American it is. Kenny Chesney plays there to 20, 30,000 people.

Now, we'll be in a smaller venue within this complex, but every year they have the mullet tossing contest, which I know if it's going to be tomorrow, but maybe we can somehow get the mullet toss contest going again. Crazy. Caleb, is that near you? 25 minutes down the road from me, and my wife, she actually won, she won Miss Firecracker,

the bikini contest. That's where she won the contest. She is going to be back there at the floor of Bama because she went up to the next round for the mullet toss. You have to come out. You bring your wife out. You can wear a bikini or not. Come out tomorrow. 3 p.m.

Central, 4 p.m. Eastern. I don't know. You can wear a bikini if you want, Caleb. You don't care. So is this the beginning of the tour? Are you just getting started? Because my next question would be is, what are you learning out on the road? Oh, it's amazing.

Doug. No, this is about a fifth stop. We started, we did one in Naples at a seat-to-table where a conservative bastion in Naples, Florida. Then we went to Nashville, Nashville, Tennessee. John Rich gave us his restaurant. We packed that place out. We went to the villages. We just got back from Las Vegas last month, packed that venue out as well. We've sold out twice already. We've added more seats for this one. I know it's not a promo for this, but people want to come out and speak their mind because half of this, about a third of the show, the last third of the show is people in the audience asking questions of me or tomorrow desantis or john rich or whoever we had on and we had dean kane on in las Vegas and they just want to feel like they're part of of the

dialogue you know they want to feel like they're part of the debate i'll tell you top the bottom the most pressing question most biggest fear in people's minds every single venue so far is the the this this democrat socialists are taking over they feel the country is sliding towards social at too fast of a rate and they want to know how do we stop it and we'll discuss all that stuff i figured i figured that would be it well let me ask you this um the ad abdul el saiad was on just jessey waters last night or a couple maybe it was two nights ago and uh they got in this crazy conversation but but i really not as interested in the fact that they were talking about he was comparing circumcision to gender affirming care it was just an

an odd conversation and funny. But it reminded me of maybe three things. One, I'm really fearful that the DSA candidates are saying anything to get elected. And so I don't trust what's coming out of their mouth. Number one. Number two, we have lost track of truth and logic. It's the death of logic. and El-Sayed was in full display with that.

I mean, what did circumcision have to do with gender for me care? It's like no logical connection. And the third point I was going to make, it'll occur to me at a minute. But respond to the lying part. There's something. And I'm going to bring this out with you, Doc. I mean, I do two shows. I do the podcast.

I do a daily political show. But I've never said this on air. I've been thinking about this a lot. And I think it's time to do this right now. I don't believe that this is about bringing socialism to America. They're selling it as, hey, it's, more fair if you've been left behind by the capitalist system in America. Socialism will help you too. They're getting a lot of young people. They have this lunatic Hassan Piker who says,

kill all the Jews. He's literally saying to kill people you don't agree with. And Abdul El-Sayyad, I'm sorry, Abdul Rahman Muhammad al-Sayyad is hanging out with Asan Piker. He wants his audience, but this guy is dangerous to the world and the country. So here's what I think. I don't think this is about an economic system, Doc. I believe this is about bringing the Muslim faith, or I wouldn't call it faith, Sharia, into our country. They've been trying to do it

every which way, every way they can. They're now winning elections. They got the biggest city in New York City, the biggest city in America. Michigan Senate, he's leading Mike Rogers by seven points right now. It goes on and on, down here in Florida,

red estate in the union. Ashley Moody's going to have a run against a woman named Angie Nixon. who had no money, doesn't know what the heck she's talking about, but somehow beat her established Democrat opponent. DSA is becoming the energy on the left, the way MAGA was the energy on the right in 2016. They're going to win. We have to be very, very careful.

Republicans are kind of supporting the DSA because they think our candidate or the right is going to beat their left candidates when they're DSA. Not so fast. Don't forget, Doc. I'm not one in New York City. when they're about the same number of Jews and Muslims in New York City. And guess what?

A higher percentage of Jews voted for Mamdani in New York than Muslims. It's a scary, scary concept. And I don't know if we... That's interesting. I don't know if we've already let the genie out in the ball. But they're hiding, masquerading behind, hey, we're going to be fair. It's going to be a more fair economy to people who've been left behind by capitalism. And what they're really, what I believe they're really doing is trying to spread Sharia with

throughout the country. I'm not being a crazy conspiracy lunatic. It just feels like I'll say it. It says, oh, I'm not DSA, but he has exactly the same principles. I don't think it's about economics. I think it's about ideology. And the woman down in Florida, I'm blacking her name is the last name is Fox or something, the one that was screaming with a megaphone, pink megaphone in the Congress. She's saying the same thing now. She's saying, oh, I'm not DSA. I just want to get rents down. And I thought, Oh, AOC. Woke 1 was no good. Now, Woke 2 won't be so crazy.

How can we trust what you're saying? You've said something totally different five minutes ago. Democrats are being played, and they're so hungry to be part of the process, to have part of the control of the country that they're playing right along into this Democrat socialist agenda, which is very, very, it's anti-American. It literally is anti-American. I'm old enough to remember about 25 years ago, if you may. you're a socialist or a communist,

forget running for office. You might get run out of the country, but things have changed fast. You certainly have an FBI file with your name on it, right? And so you mentioned the anti-American thing. I mean, this whole campaign to dismantle the Constitution is what they're talking about. And I saw a Victor David Hansen the other day going,

Who are you to do that? These people have died in a war, Uojima on the beaches of Normandy and the Civil War. They've died to defend this Constitution. Who are you to undo all that? They don't seem to have any humility. Any humility about that.

They raise their right hand, put their hand on Koran, whatever they want to put their hand on. They swear, they take an oath to uphold what, the Constitution? These people are running anti-constitution all over the place. Should we allow them to take office if they swear to uphold the Constitution and do the exact opposite? We have to have this discussion. It's weird.

It's very weird to me. So talked about this one other issue that I was worrying about also, which is the death of logic and death of truth. It does get back to the gender stuff in the sense that finally, what seems to be bubbling up is this the logical regression of, okay, if I'm transgender, it's anyone that identifies as a woman, but you can't define a woman.

So how do I know what you're talking about? If you're non-binary or neither man nor a woman, I don't know what those terms mean. So what are you? I know you're neither. That's good. But the terms themselves, everyone's refusing to define.

So how can we even talk about these things anymore? You know, Doc, it's, you know, N.S. Canter Freedom and Royce White, the former NBA players, are doing a great thing. I interviewed it. They're saying, okay, okay, what defines a woman? If you can't define it, then I'm a woman. If that's not good enough. Excuse me. I'm sorry. Royce, Roycia gets very upset when you dead name. Pay me. Royce's pronouns are pay me. So you have to either say pay or me or pay me. and Roycea is maybe gets upset when you don't use the proper pronouns. Delphor wanted to play in the LPGA or, you know, tennis, imagine if Wimbledon, you know, I don't know.

Someone who's retired from tennis two or three years ago, male comes on the women's circuit. They're going to stop it, but what's taking them so long? I mean, they're calling it out Royce, I'm sorry, Roeis and Ennis Cancer Freedom. They're calling it. Maybe, you know what, Doc? I don't know. You're the doctor. Maybe if you've had the surgery, okay, you know what? You went that far. You're a woman. I mean, if you haven't, you know. But let's at least talk about, I urge everyone to use biological term. Just say XX female human mammal. That's right. With functioning ovaries on no exogenous hormones. You don't have to, with no genetic disorders causing any interruption of estrogen metabolism. You don't have to go beyond that.

Everyone's got to use proper biological termitology because that's all we're left. And it all to me feels like some sort of weird power game where if you have a conversation with something, and Reisha did it to me too, with Reisha's tongue in Pei's cheek, Royce said, I'm going to grant you some grace, but you're dead naming me. And it puts you back on your heels. It stops the conversation and it puts the other person in control the conversation. And it's not a way to have discourse. It's not good.

It's a scary, scary, slippery path. We're sliding. But maybe this will finally call attention and stop the nonsense. Can you imagine just all these years of women really trying to compete and go ahead. They want equal pay in tennis. Okay, fine. You want equal pay, fine. But then are you sure who's a what?

What's a what? It's going to get ugly. And then these guys are finally, finally stepping up. I mean, for the NBA to say, no, we're not going to allow you to be drafted. Well, why the hell not? You're protecting transgender rights on every single game. They're fouling Sophie Cunningham aggressively. They're fouling Caitlin Conk.

But Sophie, because she's standing up for women against transgender playing in women's sports, and they're hurting her. They're physically hurting her. That's, that's, I don't even know what that. That's, that's communism. That's another world. What else you're finding out on the road? Are there things you're discovering that other than this sort of sweeping DSA,

wind. Are there other things that are troubling? What about, I mean, I feel like the right needs to pay attention to, you know, the reason people feel the way they do and really come up with some alternative messaging that, or at least a plan or at least get the economy going. And it feels like President Trump is stuck in the Iranian quagmire, and that's preventing him from doing that. I would say that's the second most popular question or comment that comes up. Far Farley dwarfed by the Muslim issue, but it's pricing. It's affordability. Left wants to call affordability. Trump doesn't want to call it that, but it is it is affordability. And what's happening is, yes, it's $4.10 a gallon today. We're approaching the end of summer, you know,

the unofficial end of summer in about 10 days or so. And we're still over to $4 a gallon. We're still playing around and around. We're still $86 a barrel for our crude. It's $89, $90 a barrel for Brent, it's not coming down anytime soon, but I will tell you, I'm shocked because we marched, we ceremoniously marched Joe Biden out of office, sure, because he's perceived as being demented. But I think the big reason why maybe independence marched him out and agreed with it was because of pricing. If inflation spiked, it was high, prices were going up. Well, they're not coming now. They're just not going up as fast as they were under Biden. We don't have deflation. We have less inflation, but it's more inflation on top of the top of.

Biden's inflation. Well, hang on. I want to interrupt you. Are you, are you, are you, I mean, deflation is much harder to contain than inflation. Are you advocating for deflation? Oh, no, Doc, you know what I'm not? And that, you're right. When you have deflation, your economy is in serious trouble.

But I would like zero inflation. I like wages to grow. Unfortunately, we don't have either, either one of it. That's the way you grow out of, you know, a period of hyperinflation or high inflation. The way you solve that economically without hurting the economy, is grow the economy out of it, just come up. Grow the epitome and increase the supply of the goods that you're concerned about. Now, I know Elon Musk is telling us we're going to some weird utopia where goods are going to be plentiful and never, you know, it's not going to be an issue anymore because we have unlimited labor, unlimited goods.

But right now, we have limited goods. We need to build some houses and things like that. It seems to me that's what we've got to get busy doing. And we have a president that knows how to build, so why not? But allow me this. I will tell you, the people on the road are very, they're okay with a $4 and $10 gasoline. I mean, this is far higher than Biden's average.

Eric, when you say $4, hang on, when you say $4 gas, I get jealous. I'm in California. It's $6. It's $6 in California. You stop saying four. It makes me upset. I wish it were $4.

National average, Tom. Your six melded into the national average of $4.10. But people are dismissive of a 410 gallon right now because they believe in what Trump is doing to eliminate what I was talking about earlier, this threat of the Muslim world, you know, taking advantage of the free world of America, of Israel and such. So they're okay with it now. I'm just, I'm an economist doc. And I was on here a long time ago. And I said, we're going to stay over four, maybe even 450 for the foreseeable future and people lit up all year full of it. But here we are, and we're not headed south anytime soon.

I literally anytime soon. Yeah. You said that. You were absolutely right. You did say that. And I shuddered and yet here we are. So, well, listen, get back literally on the car, in the car on the road. I know you're literally, you're standing on the road right now.

But that's not what I want you to do. I want you to get back on the road so you can get to your next destination to meet with the governor. Where shall people find that event and tell me one more time about the edge? Okay, three things real fast before we go. Number one, Doc, you're awesome. You almost won dumbest in the nation. What, you came in, you graduated second. I was hoping for first.

I would have the first one. I mean, that was number of number. Number two, you can go to. Let me just say, let me just say, L, Rob Schneider's daughter, she walked in, I saw the smarts. I saw the horsepower. And they didn't put, I multiple times said to the camera. camera, she's an assassin. Watch, watch this.

She plays multiple instruments. She's never been taught. She's got a good set of horsepower in her head. But yes, thank you. I didn't mind being number two to her. Very quick, number two. You talked a lot about COVID and Fauci and whatnot. Peter Navarro, a senior advisor to the president right now, involved in trade.

Yeah. Just put out a book. You should have him on. He has an amazing book called Why Fauci should rot in prison. it's going to drop in a couple of weeks. He's making a tour right now. Put him on you. You got amazing discussions about he was at the center of some of those negotiations with China.

So, yeah, it would be a great guest for you. I did have him on what he had. I went to jail so you don't have to. But I will get him around for this next book. Yeah. And tell Caleb to get his wife and come on out to Florida, Alabama tomorrow, three central time for you. Yeah.

I'll see. Yeah. Oh, yeah. All right. I don't think we're doing a show tomorrow. All right. We love the Florida Vena. No, we're not.

With the governor, it's going to be great. What time is it again? Three Central, four, Eastern, live for an hour. Right. Eric, thank you for joining us and making the huge effort for being here. Follow Eric on X, Eric, Boling, B-O-L-I-N-G. Eric with a C. We will see you again soon.

Yes, sir. It's out. Cheers. All right. Now we're going to talk about this Shen Yun Chinese dance troupe. We're going to talk to Steve Lang, Lance, who executive produced with sincere pictures

a focus on investigative documentary and cinematic storytelling is how they describe this documentary Unbroken. The untold story of Shen Yun. Caleb, you said you've been watching the advertisements for it on TV. And Susan said the same thing. I believe I don't want to misrepresent

Is that what she just told me? But she said, every time she saw it, she said, there's the Communist Party trying to represent all these great things that they do in China. But it turns out it's the opposite. Is that not true? Am I getting this right? That's what surprised me. That's why I'm curious to hear what the guest has to say, because I guess both Susan

and I came to the same conclusion. I actually thought, and I thought I had read a lot of investigations that portrayed this group as kind of like the CCP trying to portray mainland China in a much better way. But apparently, maybe I was wrong. Maybe that was the propaganda that hit me. Well, Steve Lance, you can follow Steve Lance. NTD. He's going to tell us about that after this.

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I remember you saying that. There's something like nefarious going on here. That's what I said. Caleb, is that what you felt too? Yeah, that's what I felt. And I remember I read an article that tied it. to the Chinese government in some way. But maybe that was the propaganda that I fell for in the first place.

Well, let's straighten this all out. Yeah, I said it was propaganda. I said this is an example of it's supposed to make it look like they're so happy. And, you know, they enjoy their life and they're on tour. And I'm like, I don't know, are they a bunch of spies or something? Like, I was really, I don't know the story. I just heard about it now. So I'm really excited.

Let's get us straightened out. It's the untold story of Shen Yun. It's called Unbroken. You've got Amazon, Apple TV, Unbroken, Unbroken Shen Yun, YUNMovin, Movie.com. And of course, Steve Lance is as Steve Lance NTD. Steve, help us straighten this all out. Thanks for joining us. Dr. Drew, thank you so much for having me.

You bet. So did you hear everyone's, yeah, you heard everyone's paranoia and concern? and something's wrong here, but you actually went in and found out what the problem is. What's going on? I did. I did. Unfortunately, Shen Yun performing arts has been up against a machine that is just gigantic,

and that is the Chinese Communist Party. And the level of propaganda that has been put out against this group is staggering. If you look at Shen Yun performing arts, to your colleague's point, and questions perhaps, look no further than their tagline, because that really tells the whole story about what they're about and we can get into that, which is China before communism. And so Shen Yun's mission is to... Yeah, yeah, and it's because of that tagline and that mission

that they have become public enemy number one to the Chinese Communist Party. It's, you know, performs in all of the top theaters, around the world, except for communist China. It's in Taiwan, South Korea, Paris, France, the United States, all over, as you've seen the billboards and the advertisements. And in our film, we sort of explore two tracks. One is a human interest track where we embed with the dancers

and really get to understand their process as they get ready and train as elite performers athletes and artists, but there's also an investigative track that tracks the New York Times editorial process. They wrote a series of about 12 hit pieces on the group. And so that was sort of what caught my attention. It was about one, two, then around the fourth or fifth article that came out of the New York Times. I started to say, we should probably look into this because a lot of the narratives that they were parroting were in direct alignment with what the CCP says about the group. So did you get down to who was influencing the New York Tigers? I guess you have to watch

the documentary. That's the big reveal, I suppose. Yeah, it was quite shocking. I can give you a few glimpses into what may be the case. It was opening night. We were there. We were there for Lincoln Center. That's sort of the crown jewel of their North America poor. Lincoln Center, New York City, you know, the arts and entertainment capital, if you will, in terms of Broadway productions. And we were there to interview the performers getting ready before opening night. And about an hour before the show, we started to notice some protesters outside of the theater, which, who protests a performing arts? show, right? And they were wearing these sandwich billboards and handing out leaflets with the New York

Times reporting defaming Shen Yun. So we started talking to them and there was this sort of strange, would appear to be a Chinese gentleman operating in the shadows, supplying the material. He was acting, you know, very cagey and didn't want to be filmed. And we asked these folks what they were doing why they were out there and they had never seen the show they didn't know why they were there and we actually through our sources trace them back to a gentleman named michael chu uh who operates out of flushing which is another part of new york city a big chinese diaspora uh who's connected directly to the cp's united front work department and what does that tell us that is their overseas essentially their influence arm uh that uses covert and

and overt influence operations to co-ops and influence different people. And another interesting thing in our investigation was that the New York Times, these articles that they were writing, when they would share them and post them on X, these articles about Shen Yun would be their most shared and liked articles in a single year. Nothing about President Trump or something else. And what we found was they were all of these. accounts that didn't have any followers. And so we flagged one of my colleagues from the Epoch Times,

Peter Spobb, who's an investigative reporter, he flagged these accounts to X and found out that they were linked to China and X wound up deleting thousands of them. So the question is, why are these Chinese linked accounts reposting all of the New York Times reporting on this particular group? And, you know, there's just a couple of anecdotes of, you know, That's a nefarious. Yeah, the question, the question answers itself. But my question would be, does the New York Times, you know, maya culpa? Are they questioning what their editorial process is?

Are they taking responsibility for this? Or are they pushing back defending everything they did? This will tell me a lot about the New York Times right here. So I have some sources. They weren't in the film that are tapped into the New York Times. at a pretty high level. And the general consensus, but it's kind of like in a communist country, right?

Like when you're under communism, everybody knows it's wrong, but nobody wants to speak up. And that was essentially the feeling in the news. It was cool that America during COVID. Yeah, exactly. A lot of parallels, right? And so my understanding is the rank and file knew that there was something off and it didn't quite make sense,

Because if you think about it, right, like Shen Yun, it goes back to their founding story, right? They were founded by a dissident group of people who fled persecution. I don't know if you guys have heard of the spiritual discipline called Falun Daffa or Falun Gong. It's a Chinese meditation practice that was introduced in 1992 inside of China. It was embraced by, you know, every level of society. By 1998, according to the CCP's own internal estimates, there were roughly 100 million people that started to practice this. And so the Chinese regime, the dictator at the time, his name was Zhang Jamin, he saw it as a threat

to his power and condemned it and began to systematically persecute this group, putting, subjected them to forced labor, torture, murder, eventually escalating to forced organ harvesting. If you can believe that, it's one of the worst crimes against humanity. And because, like you said, you've never heard of Falunian. Are they in the, when the Uighur camps, they're with the Uighurs? So, so interestingly, this, the organ harvesting against the Falun Gong was uncovered in 2005. And because nothing was done to stop it, it was able to metastasize and escalate and then reach the Uyghur population. But yeah, this is something that, you know, is of grave concern, obviously. Congress has passed something called the Falun Gong Protection Act, which has sanctions

when it comes to this organ harvesting. So it's something that's been recognized as a real, obviously serious crime against humanity, so much so that in 2018 there was a tribunal called the London-China Tribunal. It was overseen by, Sir Jeffrey Nees, who tried Slobodov-Belosevic in the Hague for crimes against humanity. And it was specifically focused on this issue of organ harvesting. And during that one-year process, there was a New York Times reporter. This was not in the film. You might find it interesting.

Her name is Dedi Kirsten Tatlow. She testified with an affidavit under oath in this tribunal. She was in the process of uncovering the organ harvesting against Falun Gong. She was working out of Beijing with high-level CCP officials. She brought it back to the newsroom at the New York Times. And according to her, she was shut down and eventually squeezed out. Talking. Yeah.

Yep. She lost her kidneys. Yeah. But one of the rumors that was circulating, and I know you'll be able to address this one. And clearly now we see where this is coming from. But one of the things, at least in Southern California, kept coming up. Oh, don't go see that show because they abused the women. This is not humanly possible that what they ask of them,

and they're so restrictive and abusive and, you know, the way the women are treated, et cetera, et cetera. Set that record straight. Absolutely. So obviously, those are extremely serious allegations. When I read the New York Times reporting, that was one of the things that caught my eye. I had seen Chen Yun before.

I had never, you know, felt any type of energy like that when I would watch the performance. But when something serious like that is raised and you think you have an understanding of it, of course you want to get to the bottom of it. So what I can tell you from my firsthand experience of having the doors open wide for me going to their campus, their training facilities, embedding with one of the families that has two young dancers in the show is that couldn't be further from the truth. and the allegations and the people, this is key, that the New York Times decided to cherry pick

three of their subjects that have these claims of abuse also have ties to the Chinese Communist Party now since leaving Shen Yun. They have ties to the Beijing Academy of Dance. Yes, please. Okay. So what do you say to people who go, oh, come on, Steve, that was a Potemkin village.

This is a classic technique that communists use. to persuade journalists. What do you tell them? Well, there's something, you know, as a journalist, right, you investigate things and the whole point of news gathering and being on the scene, you start to develop a sense of what is true, what is false. And I've been to communist China, I've been to South Korea, I've been to Taiwan, I know the difference. I know the facade. You know, these people are the antithesis of communist China. I mean, their tagline is China before. communism and that's what's actually brought them this tremendous amount of pressure so when you visit

china it's very obvious that they have propped up and and developed it to entice foreign investment and to sort of trick the world's people when you arrive in Shanghai it's more modernized than any city in the united states the landscaping the utopia created but when i was walking around the campus i'll tell you a funny story actually i was there with a uh a conunditably consultant who was not with our team, a film consultant. And we were walking around the campus for background interviews and just trying to get some ideas on how to tell the story. And we just happened to bump in to two of the boys that are in the film, Lucas and Jesse Browdy. And they're sitting there eating lunch. And it was like the smile on their face when we bumped into them.

We both looked at each other because he had no familiarity with the group at all. And he looked at me and said, you can't fake that smile. And so I could just tell you from my experience there, state-of-the-art facilities, but at the same time, it's very easy to kind of throw this label. These are Olympian-level athletes, right? So I played competitive sports. I was a hockey player, right? And I played at the time of concussions. And we didn't call them concussions. We called it getting your bell rung, right? Get back on the ice. And so as a competitive sports player, if you're nicked and dinged and dented, you know, you're going to do everything you can to get out on the ice. So there's probably some level of people trying to battle through conditions.

But that's another great point. We interviewed one of the treating physicians who's treated them for over a decade. And we asked him, did the New York Times reach out to you? You're the main treating physician for this group. He said, no, never. I was waiting for them to call me, and they never did. He talked to us about the process of how they go through finding that fine line between resting and taking somebody out. Because at the end of the day, when you're paying $300 for a ticket to watch Shen Yun and a front row seat at Lincoln Center, you're not going to be able to fake or have an Achilles tendon or an MCL pulled and do all the flips and everything they do and fake it. you right so yeah it's just the the narrow like a true athlete you know how that goes but this i got

to wrap this up but i want people to go to unbroken shenunun movie dot com i want you to look for it on amazon and where else is it netflix is it are they still touring oh apple apple apple apple i mean what's where is this troop of dancers you can look at look it up online chen yun right they have a touring season yeah they do they do they do do exist. They're not in concentration camps. They're not in concentration camps. But part of a parting thought I'd like you to give us is what are people going to come away from your film with? I think the most important thing is that this, the investigative track, what we uncover,

it's a case study. It's not just about Shen Yun. It's actually a playbook that the CCP could enact and use to bring down anybody that they see fit, whether it's a politician, an American business. They've figured out a way to leverage our legal system and our institutions to do their bidding in an asymmetric way. And it's quite scary. I would, I would be, say it even more strongly. I could use, do use. Thank you, Steve.

Thanks for being here. Good luck with the film. Thank you very much. Thank you. You bet. All right. Next up, my psychiatric colleague, Dr. Joseph Witt-During, but we're going to talk a little measles after this. Dr. Drew here. Fatty 15 was discovered working with the Navy's fleet of dolphins.

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He is the medical director there. He was an FDA medical officer. One of his practices focused on helping people safely. deprescribed from psychiatric medication, which is a really important topic these days. He had worked at Jansen Pharmaceutical and the FDA's Division of Psychiatry. As I said, DR, Dr. Joseph with an FWD. Dr. Witt Deering, thank you for joining me again. Dr. Drew, great to be with you.

So I don't know if you saw the whole, I'll be kind to call it a dust up around the governor, of Philadelphia, stepping forward. There have been two measles deaths. and using that as an opportunity to politicize essentially the functioning of the HHS and the FDA and CDC and the FDA advisory committees, the ASIP. What did you take away from that today? To be honest, I haven't seen it, Dr. Drew, and I'm not, I'm not too sure on what to make about this. I you know what I what I've seen recently is you know every time there is a measles death they want to lay it at Bobby Kennedy's feet and just say see exactly what you're doing and then and that seems to be the playbook I notice right and so this was exactly the playbook thank you for saying that there are allegedly two measles unfortunately the coroner and all the public health officials have no such deaths recorded there's rumors about them being 80 year olds getting measles and dying with measles then there's a story about a brand new

newborn with measles. It's all screwed up. The bottom line is has nothing to do with vaccine management. Nothing whatsoever. And in fact, the measles death rate has been rather low in this country. Every time a little cluster develops, they make a meal out of it. And I've sort of watched these data. I mean, it may be a little higher than normal, but it's not the highest it's been in a long time by any means. And so I'm a fan, let me be clear, I'm a fan of the measles vaccine. I think measles vaccine is worth the risk. measles, I've seen terrible measles. It's a horrible thing. I got re-vaccinated with measles because I was around, I was born in the late 50s before

they had a really effective vaccine that would sustain. No, actually, I had measles. I think about it. I got the vaccine anyway just to kind of update my immunity at the time when that was being discussed more actively well before COVID, mind you. But this whole general idea of what is a lot of what is. happen to our healthcare systems, both in this country and in the UK, where we've, the people have lost faith in it.

They get cared for by physician extenders. They are frustrated by the system. They don't know how to navigate it. They don't know how to protect their families and prepare themselves. And they don't know when they're being prescribed too much. I mean, I think the Lindsay Clancy case is sort of an example of somebody who might have been prescribed excessively. I don't know.

But first, just talk to me. We'll talk about Lizzie Clancy in a second, but just talking about the general concern about trust in our health care system. I think trust in our health care system, you're absolutely right. It's at an all-time low. You know, I think about the mental health problems that are going on in this country. And we have a lot of depression and anxiety. We have a lot of antidepressant use now. Recent figures put that at around 17% of our country.

And so people hear that on face and they just go, what is going on? Like 17% of our country don't have genetic brain disorders that need drugging. And then they look into their own lives. And people have gone in. They've done their seven-minute PCP visits where they get diagnosed on checklists and the person is kind of typing away on the computer at the same time. And they're starting to see that it's not really good quality medical care. I mean, it's so obvious everyone can already see it.

Yeah. Yeah. And you mentioned primary care. And like, having worked in a psychiatric hospital for 30 years and being a primary care provider, I can tell you I have to have my psychiatric colleagues involved if I'm going to open my prescription pad. But primary care is the predominant prescriber of these meds. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's where 80% of the antidepressants come from. And, you know, let's give our PCP colleagues a little bit of slack. The economic model to even work in that business is many people are seeing four to five patients an hour. And that's why you get these seven minutes. There's no economic model. It's gone. There's no economic model. You're not, it's, what they're doing is they're, they're supervising physician extenders and they're watching 30 to 60 patients twice, you know, at least 60 across a day.

And you can't possibly properly monitor things that way. It's just, it's getting, it's getting worse and worse and worse, not getting better. Yeah, well, well, well said, it's like how well, I mean, if you have a patient panel of 2,000 people, how well do you know their relationships, their physical health, whether they have purpose and meaning in their lives? It's just, it's frankly impossible. And so the idea that you are able to to improve their mental health knowing so little about them, I mean, it's just laughable. Yeah. It's laughable. And also, we've lost track in this country of the, I think I mentioned this two last time I talked to is I was raised by an old family practitioner.

who hammered in my head that medicines are dangerous, they're dangerous, they're only when it's worth the risk. And by the way, if I don't mention it back to Lindsay Clancy, there's some, there was some rumor I never saw it in court that she may have had acathia on top of everything else caused by the meds, which would have dramatically complicated her case. But we can talk about that a minute. But the fact that we expect pills to make life better rather than to treat serious illness, as Dr. Freud said, Ordin, ordinary misery versus serious mental illness. Ordinary misery is good. It builds resiliency and exposure and emotional regulation. And we don't allow for that in this country. We just give a pill.

And people look at that, Dr. Drew, and they say, you know, it's the patients. They just want the quick fix. And I'm not exactly sure that's true because, you know, as a psychiatrist who, you know, I've been within that structure for a long time. We've just been lying to people for the last 30 years. We've been telling them that their anxiety and depression is a chemical and balanced. And, oh, don't worry, we've got some Lexapro and Zoloft. That will fix it. It's not like they go in. They see the family medicine doctor and they say, well, let's work on your health, your

relationships, meaning and purpose. They say, oh, wait, you make criteria for major depressive disorder. Let's put you on this. And so that's why this whole Lindsay Clancy thing is going to be a, you know, I think it's going to be an important moment because people are going to start realizing that they need so much more than just. just a 20-minute Zoom visit and scripts for medications. You know, when you said, when you describe what would be good quality,

relational care for a patient, it made me think about the history of psychiatry, which is nefarious. Whenever I see the aim that the Scientologists take at the history of psychiatry, they've got a point. But one of the things was the capture by psychoanalysis in this country. We're the only country, Austria did a temporary, We did it for 50 years. Psychoanalysis captured this country.

And the biological model of treatment was so enthusiastically embraced that, again, this pendulum swaying the other direction. And what you're pointing out is we end up lying about it. We ended up talking about it, making more of it, making more of it than we should have. Just because we were so relieved to be out of the psychoanalytic gripped. Yeah, that's exactly true. actually think Bobby Kennedy is bringing us back to center with a lot of these things. We recognize that there's a psychological aspect to it. But now we're bringing in the physical health. And that's the thing that I think has been missing big time. You know, 70% of our country are overweight. 60% of

our calories are coming from ultra-processed foods. We are poisoning our bodies and our brains sit within our bodies. And so when we're looking at good mental health care, we need relationships, meaning and purpose, and we need good physical health. And I think we're coming to something that makes sense finally. Your mouth to God's ears, speaking of another empty spot in our patient's lives, the spiritual component. It's all we never, ever talk about that stuff. And again, that's a broad, you know, individualist sort of phenomenon, but it's, it's been

lacking. And certainly, I think we talked about this last time, that when people get well, purpose, spiritual component, you know, trauma-related therapies and things, and they get a lot, lot, lot better. And, you know, the spiritual piece, I love that you're bringing that up because I actually really lump that in with the social media crisis. You know, the amount of time we spend on our phones, just scrolling through reels, that is something that has huge influence on us, you know, what we're consuming through our devices.

As a country, we have moved away from religion. And what is religion when you boil it down? You could look at it in different ways, but it is a place to go and get influenced. It's a place to incorporate these values which have been with us for millennia, values that have built civilization that lead to good, productive, fulfilling lives and allow us to get on together. And that's why you see it as a cornerstone of 12-step and addiction recovery. We need to bring more, I think, spirituality into mental health and recovery. Caleb, I see you put the meta settlement up there on the screen, which I am all. about although julian michael's thinks were being played and it's not really going to happen and

tic-tok and youtube aren't going to do it but i i'm hopeful at very minimum it they set a standard that parents can follow even if the companies don't get it on board really quickly um lindsay what do you make of the women who are who frankly men are um i think unfairly uh going after who identify with her. There are some that deserve the disdain that some of the men are sort of throwing their way or the fear, frankly, that men are throwing their way. But what do you make of them generally? I mean, I think the Lindsay Clancy case now has just become a full on outright culture war. You know, in the last seven days, it's just intensified. I think you've got women on the left. And let me tell you about that. You know, what's happening for the women who support Lindsay Clancy is there,

identifying with her. There was this moment in the first week of the trial where Kevin Redington, the defense attorney, was reading out her diary. And she's talking about all these things, feeling socially isolated, feeling guilty about not making money, blaming herself for her children not gaining weight, feeling upset that she doesn't have enough time to be there for her husband. And women started talking. They're like, yes, it's hard. It is hard to work. It's hard to look after these children. And then when they heard about the quality of the care that she got, that she just had these 20-minute Zoom visits, they really sympathized with her. And they said, I've been there before. I know how hard it is. And so that's why they're there right now, saying, we need more

attention to women's mental health and we need better quality care. If you go over to the right now, go ahead. Yeah. If you go over to the right now, predominantly it's an issue of accountability. The right is looking at this and they're like, three children died. We have to hold someone accountable. You know, whether she was crazy or not, you know, she's like, who's going to take the fall for this? We've been going through the last several years of letting people get off because of, you know, their race or their gender. And we just need to pin it on someone. I'm a bit less sympathetic to that view because I do think the details of this case. I think there's enough there for reasonable doubt when it comes to her mental state.

Yeah, I mean, there is that philosophical underpinning, which is, you know, when somebody is violent, always a mental health issue or a trauma issue or a mania or whatever or drug use or like pure criminal behavior but aside from pure criminal there's often you know serious mental health stuff and at what point do we excuse that and listen the transient nature of of postpartum psychosis the transient nature it doesn't say anything about her personhood but i do i do think that both the prosecution and the defense put on some good expert witnesses. And the one pointed out, which I totally agree with, that it is odd to have such a brief period of hallucinatory phenomenon in a postpartum psychosis. Now, you throw in, maybe she had an acetheia, which is incredibly

uncomfortable. Maybe it was a depression that went into psychosis. Maybe it was a mania induced by the medicine. I mean, there's all these other ways that it could have been a non-typical psychotic episode in the postpartum period. Give me your thoughts on that. So my thoughts on it is I totally sympathize with people who are saying, oh, isn't that so convenient you had command auditory hallucinations for that 18 minutes you killed your children? But it's one of those cases where there's quite a strong paper trail that supports acathesia or severe adverse drug reaction. I mean, it's recorded in the medical records during the drug exposures. There's a whole string of text messages between her and her mother where she's saying, these drugs are damaging my brain. The forensic

computer people in the weeks before, she killed her children. She's frantically searching for drug side effects. The defense and the prosecution experts agree that she had bipolar disorder and she was exposed to a third antidepressant the day before she killed her kids and the dose was doubled. And so there's enough there that to me that it doesn't seem like, oh, and here's the kicker, Dr. Drew. She told her husband and her mother in December she was having intrusive suicidal thoughts. And so when I look at it on a continuum, it doesn't seem like this is just someone who's just like, oh, I was just psychotic at that point. It's like, you know, for the period of a month plus, you're having intrusive homicidal and suicidal thoughts. Yes, they reach a crescendo.

Yes, you go into psychosis. To me, that seems. To me, that seems plausible. So it doesn't seem like a just-so story that she cooked up. Yep. Yep. There's even another element in there. I just heard somebody talk about this morning. I'd not even thought about.

Apparently, she was not taking her meds necessarily as prescribed. Not excessively. She was resistant to taking the meds. And maybe it's because of the acathia or something, which, again, the meds caused the acathia. But then the meds draw can cause acathia. It's a freaking mess. But that she may have been taking her meds less.

regularly, less reliably than the doctors and nurse practitioners would like. So right in there, there's another issue. In my mind, I immediately when I heard that I thought, oh, put that person in the hospital right now. Intrusive thoughts, suicidiality, not following, you know, we have suspicion of psychosis, not following recommendations the way we need it. You go in the hospital. You and I know what the practitioners ran up against with that. What do you think they ran up against?

with involuntarily hospitalizing her? Not even involuntary, I bet she would have gone voluntarily. She kept running to the ER with putting her in a psychiatric hospital now.

What would they have run into with that attempt to do that? Gosh, insurance companies. The insurance companies would have said, no, she's not actively suicidal. They would say she's not,

she doesn't have a plan. She doesn't have, they would have said, no, she was in the hospital at McLean a month ago. That was enough. She's run out of, who knows what they would have said. It would have been the resources.

I'm convinced of it. Should have brought that up too. Yeah. Yeah. And I think there's some evidence that that happened. I mean, she was reaching out to the suicide hotlines asking for help and they kept on turning her down. I mean, that happened twice.

So, I mean, it's just a disaster. I mean, to me, yes, someone needs to be held accountable for this. But I'm not quite sure. It's Lindsay Clancy. I mean, I would really, I think we need a lot. look at this more broadly, like, what are we doing with mental health in this country? I know that's going to be very unsatisfying to a lot of people because it's always nice to just say, it was this one person, but I do think that's the real bad guy here.

Yeah, I had a long conversation with Billy Bush yesterday at his podcast, and he brought exactly that up. He really wants there to be a coming, you know, an analogy, a really conversation about what we're doing here. And you would understand the same thing. Lastly, marijuana psychosis. I'm seeing tons of it. I've seen it close to me.

My daughter's a recovery marijuana addict. They used to, Alex Berenson wrote about it 15 years ago, and I doubted it back then. I was like, maybe it's a precipitating of somebody already had a psychotic illness. Now I am clear it causes psychotic illness, and sometimes it causes chronic psychiatric pathology. Tell me what you're seeing. I think it's the biggest preventable cause of schizophrenia out there. And it's not just, I think. I mean, researchers have been looking at this. They're saying it accounts for a quarter of psychotic presentations to emergency rooms. That's research out of Denmark that have found that. That's massive. And so we're talking about the biggest preventable risk factor there. I mean, and it also isn't something that's, I think, is that uncommon either. I mean, I think the most relatable example of it has been with the Nickelodeon star Amanda Bynes, who's been very open about her Adderall abuse and her cannabis use. And we just saw her. She just completely torched her career. She ended up on

conservatorship. She was saying really hurtful things to people on X. And I mean, this has been going on for 15 years. And so you can just look at the before and after photos of what something like this can do to your life. The big thing that I worry about Dr. Drew is that it's, you know, just like big farmer, it's now big cannabis, and everyone's saying it's natural, it's safe, it's a herb, and they're trying to normalize it. It's not the same product as it was. Big tobacco. Big tobacco is taken over. It's the same thing. Same playbook, everybody. Well, listen, it's always a inspiring for me to talk to you. Keep up God's work that you're doing. De-prescribing is a major topic. Unfortunately, it's mostly in the pharmacologists. They're the ones that want to do

to be deprescribing. Our peers don't do it so much, but we need to. Where should people go to find you? So tapaclinic.com is where we work. We're in 20 different U.S. states. But the best place is really our YouTube channel. It's Dr. Yosef, J-O-S-E-F, spelled in the German way. And we have all sorts of resources on non-drug approaches to mental health and how to come off the meds with your doctor. Great. Thanks for joining us. Thanks, Dr. Drew. You bet. coming up we are away because we're traveling a bunch we're back on Tuesday right got to do Dave Rubin on Tuesday morning there we are Dave Rubin is going to join us with

Winston Marshall Dr. Robert Redfield coming back with Joseph Reimann that's going to be an insanely powerful combination we'll be back in California for that by Ling and Daniel Amin very interesting combo there Dr. Victory Nick Holshar I mean one powerful group after another Simone Gold, Andrew Gruhl I'm looking at. So stay tuned for more extraordinary conversations with Data Republican as it coming in. Larry Elder in with her. So this is much, much, much ahead. Thank you, Emily Barsh and Caleb.

Thank you. Anything on your front, Caleb, other than that you're going to go to see Eric? We got to go scope it out before my wife does the next contest in a few weeks. I'm just still kind of in shock about the Shen Yun stuff. Like I fell for it. fell for it. I've lived through the COVID debacle. I lived through the 9-11 and the Patriot Act and I just

didn't question this. I have to question everything. I was so convinced. And then you literally just go to their website and the first line says, China before communism is the theme of their 2027. How did I not realize the CCP was affecting my brain this whole time?

Well, and by the way, listen, please learn about your New York Times, with this story. That's really where the influence is peddled and realize how much bot activity there is out there. You heard them they had to go to X and how many hundreds of bots had to get rid of. So there's so much, so much, so much. So here's the deal. Trust nothing, no nothing. Arrive at your conclusion slowly. Update your priors. Be basing in your reasoning. The truth

exists, but you have to ascend to it. And these days it's more difficult than others. Thank you all for being here. We'll see you on. next Tuesday, let me make sure it's two o'clock on my calendar. I always don't trust myself. I think that show is at 12 p.m. Pacific. Pacific. I think it's noon Pacific that day. Okay. That would make sense to me. That would make sense to me. So, okay. So that's 3 p.m. Eastern, 12 p.m. Pacific. We'll see you then. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. Emily Barsh is our content producer. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis or treatment.

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