Ask Dr. Drew - Meningitis Outbreak: Dr. Jessica Rose Exposes “Plandemic 2.0” Fear Campaign & MenB Vax w/ Dr. Izabella Wentz and Ken McCarthy – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 603

Episode Date: March 29, 2026

A meningitis outbreak is sparking a massive media fear campaign reminiscent of the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic – but Dr. Jessica Rose warns “don’t just get in line like you did last time, please.” The computational biologist and immunologist warns that the public is being driven toward MenB vaccines that carry significant, underreported risks. By analyzing VAERS data and the recombinant technology inside these injections, Dr. Rose exposes the dangers of “molecular mimicry” and explains why injecting synthetic lipoproteins could trigger severe autoimmune responses. Internet pioneer and investigative author Ken McCarthy breaks down the historical and ongoing corruption of the medical industry. Dr. Izabella Wentz, acclaimed author of Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis, shares her expertise on combating the rise of medically-induced and environmentally-triggered autoimmune conditions, offering root-cause solutions for mystery illnesses. Dr. Jessica Rose is a Canadian researcher with a Bachelor’s in Applied Mathematics and a Master’s in Immunology from Memorial University of Newfoundland. She holds a PhD in Computational Biology from Bar Ilan University and completed postdoctoral research in Molecular Biology and Biochemistry. Find her at https://jessicasuniverse.com and follow at https://x.com/JesslovesMJK Ken McCarthy was one of the early pioneers of the movement to commercialize the Internet. Time Magazine credits him with being the first person to articulate the importance of “click-through rate” as a key metric. He’s the author of over 10 books, including the bestselling What the Nurses Saw. Learn more at https://BrasscheckBooks.com and https://kenmccarthy.com Dr. Izabella Wentz, PharmD, FASCP is an internationally acclaimed thyroid specialist and licensed pharmacist who has dedicated her career to addressing the root causes of autoimmune thyroid disease, fatigue and mystery illnesses after being diagnosed with Hashimoto’s thyroiditis in 2009. She received the PharmD. Degree (Doctor of Pharmacy) from the Midwestern University Chicago College of Pharmacy at the age of 23. Dr. Wentz is the author of the #1 NYT bestseller “Hashimoto’s Protocol” and multiple others. Learn more at https://thyroidpharmacist.com 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • STRONG CELL – If you want to feel more like your younger self, go to https://strongcell.com/ and use code DREW for 20% off. • AUGUSTA PRECIOUS METALS – Thousands of Americans are moving portions of their retirement into physical gold & silver. Learn more in this 3-minute report from our friends at Augusta Precious Metals: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/gold⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or text DREW to 35052 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jessica Rose kindly comes back to visit us. She's got a lot to say about the meningitis outbreak and vaccine. She'll be here in mere moments. Ken McCarthy is here. New book is What the Nurses Saw. Very interesting book. He's also written several books on the COVID fiasco, including COVID con. Unravelling the COVID-Con, you can get him at Ken McCarthy with a c.com, brass checkbooks.com.

Then Dr. Isabella Wentz, she is a pharmacist, and she has some interesting ideas. is about autoimmune disease and from whence this harkens. We are back with our great guests following this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous.

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with background in applied mathematics, a master's in immunology from Memorial University of Newfoundland. She has a PhD in computational biology and completed postdoctoral research in molecular biology and biochemistry. You can find Jessica on her substack, which is jessca.substack, and I see here unacceptable, I think it's called,

that's maybe her substack as well. Jessica loves MJK is also, oh sorry, Jess loves MJK, is her ex-handle. and there's also Jessica's universe.com. So I just got a note there. It says, don't plug that one. I did anyway, Jessica.

Maybe I shouldn't say that one. Yeah, that one's been offline for quite a while. And my substack is, I have three newsletters, but the one that I write the most on is unacceptable, Jessica. Thanks to Trudeau. Got it. Thanks for welcoming me on, by the way. Yes, you've always been truly, truly unacceptable.

and problematic, both, both unacceptable and problematic. So, so let's talk a little meningitis, why don't we? Here's, let me just give you my bias at the beginning of this conversation, which is, I've seen meningitis A primarily, and it's, it is nasty. And you see a few people die meningitis they. It's usually college age people, military recruits, that kind of thing. and it gives you religion in the sense of, oh, I want to vaccinate everybody and make sure this doesn't happen to anyone. So like with everything vaccine related, that's always been my bias. I'm now very open to other ways of looking at this, including something I did not know, which is you can do antibiotic prophylaxis to people who have been exposed. And that's a completely benign way to go about this, number one.

Number two, it's not a very contagious illness. There's a press is making a whole meal out of the 20 cases in Kent in the UK, where they have 500 cases a year. And we had 10 in Chicago of the subtype Y. And we'll have many more because it's a rare but sort of not uncommon illness. Doctors need to get on it quick. It's really on us to get on it. But you've raised some really interesting questions about VATs. vaccinating people with particularly, and I'm wondering, well, you tell me your concerns first.

Sure. I'd love to segue into the initial segment, though, where Joseph was talking about VERS, because I've written two articles on this now. I just want to tell you that, hang on one second. Not everyone sees that video, so let's frame it, that we run an opening video that many people do see, but some people don't, where Joseph Fryman, who was opening, caused the scales to fall from our eyes that afternoon whenever that was in 21 or 22, because he had done a separate analysis of the Pfizer study

and found, lo and behold, it was deeply flawed what they were claiming about the vaccine. And there were many deaths, and he was reporting some of them to the FDA at the time. And they were like, hey, kind of sent us an email. Tell us what happened. You know, very casual, nine-year-olds dying, and they were very casual about things.

So go on. Yeah, I'd even say they were blazze. I remember that call well. So, yeah, he talks about VERS, the vaccine adverse event reporting system of the United States, where you would actually report a death that occurs in temporal proximity to a vaccination, for example. So this is, you know, one of the bread and butters that I've been deep diving into for the past six years. So I decided because of this recent Kent quote-unquote outbreak of it was a meningitis B, menendicoccal bee strain, to just have a go at looking into VERS and seeing if there are any reports of adverse events in the context of vaccines, specifically one called Tremengba and one called Bexero. And they were very prevalently reported in Vairs.

and actually the reports per total number of reports per 100,000 per year were really high, except in 2021 where there was a lull. And that's easily explainable because people simply weren't getting vaccines during that time because we were locked up. So for the people who aren't aware, there was a recent quote unquote outbreak in Kent in the UK of a what they call a new subtype of meningococcal B bacteria. And for those of you who don't know, meningitis is like Dr. Drew said, it can be very serious.

It's the anytime you have an itis, it means you have inflammation of something. So this is the inflammation of the meninges, which are these very necessary factors that line, say the central nervous system and brain tissues in a nutshell. If you want to even simplify it further, it's like brain swelling, so it's bad. The way that this becomes a serious problem is if these bacteria get into your blood. There are about 40% of people who are carriers of meningitis.

It's actually called Niceria, meningitis. meningotitis. And this colonizes your nasopharynx area. And again, in about 40% of people, it's completely innocuous because of the immune system and because of its relationship with the mucosa and actually other what we call commensal bacteria, which are bacteria that just kind of hang out and live happily. We give them a home and they give us immunity. and in some cases they give us cross immunity to similar species.

So one of the things I've written about in one of these articles is another species of related to Nicerium meningotitis called Niceria Lactamica. This is getting a bit technical, but basically it means that the immunity provided against one can provide cross immunity to the other. So the bottom line here is that it doesn't have to be a big deal. The way that it can become a big deal is if you perturb the environment that's harmonious, if you will. That can happen from any number of outside influences. You can have your immune system get disrupted by, I don't know, the introduction of a different path. like a virus, from a vaccine, for example, from, you know, exposure to environmental toxins, and anything can trigger that.

Or you can have a new strain or subtype of this bacteria enter the equation, and because you don't have immunity to it, it could potentially enter your bloodstream. So that's kind of framing the situation. The reason why these people were calling this an outbreak was because they are claiming that this meningitis B strain was a, or it was a new subtype of the bacteria. And they were concerned that it was going to get into people's blood and therefore cause like septicemia, for example. And it did. Two died. Two did die.

And again, that's not an outrageous number for a meningitis that does not. come to medical attention. What they didn't, they didn't specify is were these people being treated and they became septic anyway? I don't know. I doubt it. They probably just didn't come in. But yeah, and meningitis is, you know, it's a scary thing. It's a highly treatable thing.

It's, if you don't get in in time, it can get away and it's a mess. But you're raising a point, which is, you know, and by the way, we don't vaccinate against meningitis B, typically. I don't know why, because it's so unusual. It's so rare. We, we're vaccine against ACE when Y primarily.

those are the ones that kind of occur, does vaccinating against those disrupt the environment for B? But B, but here's the thing about these new meningitis B vaccines. So I mentioned their names are tremendous. And what's the other one? I can't even remember they have such bizarre names. Anyway, there are two primary ones that are newer on the market. And it's really... Just be not ABC.

CBWY, right? No, I don't understand what they excluded B from. Okay, just B, got it. More money? I don't know. Got it. So you really should read my substack on this because I did a lot of deep diving into the mechanism of action of these vaccines. And it's really interesting what I found out because, first of all, a little bit of background. our bodies have this first line of defense as part of the innate immune system

that is involved in removing pathogens early as a first line of defense. There's a protein involved in this, it's called the complement cascade, and there are three different pathways. So in one of these pathways, there's a protein involved in actually protecting or being used as a protective shield by our own cells such that this system doesn't act on our own cells. It sounds a little complicated because it is. The reason I'm telling you this is because the Nyserium and Nintytus bacteria actually hijack this mechanism that our own bodies use to protect themselves from complement mediated destruction and use it themselves once they get into the bloodstream if they do to protect themselves.

It's so genius. Bacteria, you have to admire them. I mean, they learn and they sample their environment and they borrow and hijack all sorts of mechanisms that our bodies already used to ensure their own survival. So they've done this. So one of the proteins that actually acts as a binding protein to this other protein is what the vaccines are aimed against. So what the vaccinologists have done in this particular case is designed a couple of vaccines

that they're proteins, they're lipidated proteins, which means they just have some kind of modification with fats that are injected intramuscularly. And the mechanism of action is supposed to be that the immune system sees this protein is foreign. The lipids are the adjuvants which activate the innate immune factors.

And what's meant to happen is an acquired immune response whereby you have many things happen, but ultimately you have antibodies that are produced that bind specifically to this protein

on the surface of your bacteria that bind this protective shield protein that it steals from your immune system. So basically you're going to stop it from hijacking the immune system's own defense mechanisms such that it can be removed by complement. So by design, it's kind of brilliant. However, there are a couple of problems with this because,

and this is published, like you'll read it, I reference everything when I write about this stuff. autoimmunity is a definitive concern with regard to this system because this protein that they actually inject into you as part of the vaccine is a binding protein of a human protein. And what that means is that these what we call antigen antibody complexes can form. and therefore the antibodies against that complex can actually or within that complex can actually cross-react and eventually bind the protein itself, the human protein. So that would result in autoimmunity, which has absolutely been demonstrated by Sharkey at all and more authors in animal models and also humans. However, as I point out, is that what a, before you go to the however, is that a lot of what we were seeing on VERS? Yes. Well, actually, yes, there's a broad range of adverse events that are actually reported, but autoimmunity is always high up there, like specific autoimmune conditions.

But the, gosh, I lost my thought. What was my, however? Sorry. It was a however. No, okay. It was about the fact that there could be cross-reactivity with our own mechanisms causing autoimmune. In other words, in other words, what I think you're saying is that that protein is a regulator of the complement system. And when that regulation is off, it can go wacky, which is autoimmune.

That's what autoimmune stuff is. And yeah, that makes perfect sense to me. I wish I knew the incidents of that. Again, because nobody studies these things. it's this is the part that drives me mad. Bang on. And this is the however and the segue. So because I've been watching this horror show unfold for the last six years in VERS in particular,

it's and myocarditis, which is just something that everybody knows about right now because of the COVID shots. It's even, it's recognized by everyone, all the institutions that myocarditis, is a thing that happens after COVID injections. And for those of you who need a reminder, how dare you? You're going to get me canceled for putting out such misinformation, Jessica, you've been,

you've been chanting this misinformation as long as I've known you. How dare you? But listen, before you finish the construct, we're going to stop with myocarditis. I have to take quick break, and we're going to come back with your going further with the mildcarditis story.

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You should have another one unspeakable, Jessica. We'll just put unavailable, unspeakable, unacceptable, all the unspeakable. All the uns for Jessica. I'm always available. And we're talking a little bit about, I've got about 10 more minutes with you. And I want to finish this conversation about your concern. about to minimize B vaccine. Again, for me, important for clinicians and scientists to look at these things so they can raise

these issues for themselves in terms of the risk reward of what they're offering their patients. And if they're concerned, potentially inform their patients. So let's finish this up. Perfect. I love it. And I love meat sticks too. So I was talking about the impression I was getting from reading the literature on the autoimmunity subject matter related to these new meningitis,

these newer meningitis B vaccines, Tumenba. And I just can't remember the name of the other one. It has an X in it. Anyway, and I started seeing a pattern. The same kind of feeling I had when I saw the words outbreak being used in Kent. My radar started going off about these patterns. that seems similar to what was going on at the beginning of the COVID pandemic, for example. And I saw words that were pretty much precisely mild and effective,

being, or mild and transient, sorry. Safe and effective. Right. Yeah, safe and effective and mild and transient to describe the autoimmune reaction that rarely occurs in context. of these vaccines. And it's like, okay, okay, maybe, but now I'm in a position where I feel completely suspicious of everything that I read that comes from a legacy source or even from

nature publications. I'm suspicious of everything. So the thing about that is, for those of you don't remember, during the whole myocarditis delio, the way that the regulators and the, the, all the people, the policymakers, um, were trying to brush myocarditis in children under the car, under the carpet, was by referring to it as mild and transient. Neither of which is the case. That's, that's just an outright lie. If you understand what myocarditis is, you understand why. So my brain automatically started going to the fact that, well, without long-term safety testing,

which we don't have for these meningitis B vaccines, and without more clear and transparent data, how and why am I supposed to believe you that this is a mild and transient reaction? You're right. You're right. Exactly. So that...

Yeah, I'm with you a thousand percent. Listen, I remember when the first circulation article came out of Japan about myocarditis paracarditis in these males, and I was like, this should be front page news. This is, man. This is... massive. We were making young people sick for no reason. It was the Omicron era. By the way, it is Troumenba. And by the way, most of the outbreaks of meningitis B are in sort of sub-Saharan

Africa and Bexero. But if you read the view, when you look at the Bexero name, it looks like Berserkow. So much the picture of that for you. Well, it could be, right? I really don't know where they get these names. Tumman. I mean, I guess men. They make them up. They make them up. They're made up. They're made up. They're marketing instruments. Yeah. There's a funny episode of House about this, by the way. I don't know.

Anyway, so the thing about this is that it goes to your point right when we came back on here about knowing the risks, doing your own risk benefit analysis. And I precede my article that I wrote about this with a disclaimer that I am the kind of person that believes in self-sovereignty. Everybody should be able to decide what course of action to take that they feel is best for them. It's unfortunate, in my opinion, that so many people lined up for these vaccines in the college setting because of this scare, because I don't think that they were informed. And I don't think that they were given the option to do their own risk-benefit analysis because I think if they knew. Jessica, there's a piece here you need to know, which is that public health does not take

risk reward into consideration and they do not have a mandate to do no harm the way I do. That's right. Your clinician has a mandate to do no harm. So you need to, if your physician is recommending it and or providing it, you need to bring all this up because he or she has that. mandate. The public health system, if they're blanketing something in your community, they have no such obligation.

And that's why they run amok. Exactly. It's a machine. And absolutely. So you have to take responsibility for yourself. You have to weigh the pros and cons. Do what you want in the end, but inform yourself. So that was

the point of me writing a little bit more detail. And read your substack. Your substack is quite comprehensive. I mean, you know, You know, if you heard the term cytokine storm back during the COVID days, compliments and cytokines and immune cells, this is all that zone. And Jessica, very, I remember, you know, I was in medical school in the compliment system. It sort of kind of just been worked out and discovered.

And I'm like, yeah, I'm like, I'm never going to remember all this. It's too complex. Well, well, but the reality is all the second messenger systems have become equally as complicated. You know what I mean? Everything going on in the cytoplas. as 15 different little tiny proteins coming together. So here we go. This is another one of those things,

which is, again, just a reminder that biology is infinitely complex, very hard to predict when you, when you, even though this is a brilliant mechanism for a vaccine, very hard to predict the consequence. And if you don't pay attention, you won't know. Yeah, impossible. Sorry. I don't mean to interrupt, but it's impossible.

No, I want you to interrupt. You're right. And that's why we love you because you're an actual biologist. And you know the infinite complexity. And when people start telling you fairy tales about biology, it's like, you're just don't listen. It's not just so. Biology is not just so. No, no, it's the systems biologist in me.

I'm taking a bird's eye view no matter what I do. And I just want to, if I have enough time, I want to remind like to the students, right, the students who lined up to get the shots, I want you to know that 40% of the human population are actually carriers of nyserium meningitis. This is the bacteria that causes meningitis. And it doesn't do anything harmful to you. And we are a world of different kinds of bacteria, viruses, fungi, what have you. We are a complex world, all in harmonious sync with our immune system. and it's the balance that's key.

And whenever you inject something intermuscularly against something that hangs out in your nose, you should think, wait now, there's something not right about this. It's what they did with COVID. They were giving intramuscular injections for a respiratory agent. It didn't make any sense because all the action is going on in your mucosa.

and that's what you have to protect. That's what you have to optimize in tandem with your... Which, by the way, I'm a fan of nasal lavage if you have been exposed to something. But Jessica, as always, we appreciate you being here. Go find Jessica unacceptable. And you will be glad you did. Unacceptable, Jessica, and I am unacceptable. That's what I mean.

We'll find the unacceptable there. All right. Well, thank you for always joining us. and hopefully we talked again very soon. This is all evolving stuff. Thank you. And next up, we have Ken McCarthy. You can follow him at Ken McCarthy, MC, C-A-R-T-H-Y, brass check books.

The latest is what the nurses saw. And I want to bring, we're going to have Dr. Isabella Wentz in a second here after Ken, by the way, to talk about autoimmune diseases. So it's a very timely topic coming later. But right now, we're going to talk about the excesses of the whole COVID debacle with Ken. Thank you, Ken, for being here. Thanks for having me and thanks for what you do. Appreciate it.

So what did the nurses see? What am I going to? I've noticed you've done the book in sort of an interview style, which I actually love, because you really get to hear from the people themselves. And sometimes I've noticed, you know, nurse speak is a specific thing. And I learn from the nurse speak, not an author telling me about nurse speak. You know what I mean? So I like that you did that here.

Well, the way this book started was I saw. I saw Aaron Marie Olshevsky. People might remember her. She was really the first nurse to come out and talk about what was going on in the COVID wards. And I saw later on Tucker Carlson, on Fox, and I thought, okay, someone's going to pick up this story because it's quite an alarming story.

She was basically saying that the system was killing the patients. Now, she is a serious person. She was an infantryman during the Iraq War, Infantry Woman, during the Iraq War. during the Iraq war was the second wave in. So she's not a flake, not a lightweight, had been practicing as a nurse for a long time. And so I figured, okay, a journalist is going to pick this up, the government's going to pick this up. Somebody's going to pick this up. And that was 2020 and 2021 passed. And I called and talked with her in 2020 because I was so alarmed at what I

heard her talking about. And I did a very long, deep sort of technical dive into things like intubation, and how that's done and what's involved in that. So anyway, the years passed, and it got to be 2023, and I said, by God, no one's going to write about this. Now, there have been occasional sort of one-off books. Aaron wrote a book about her own experience. Other nurses have written books, but no one really wrote about it as a systematic problem. And so, I first person I called was Aaron Marie, and I said, Aaron, were there any other nurses

that had an experience like yours? And she said, Ken, there are hundreds. and I have their list. I have a whole mailing list of them. So I started talking and bit by bit, I realized this was systemic. This wasn't one hospital that was overwhelmed. This happened in every state. It happened in every province.

And basically what happened was if you came to a hospital and you took a swab and they decided that you had COVID, you tested positive, you were now a COVID case. It didn't matter whether you had a symptom or no symptoms. And you were put in a COVID war. Once you were in that COVID ward. Or tent. Or a tent. COVID tent sometimes away from the hospital.

Yeah, sure. Sometimes a COVID tent. Yeah. Yeah. And once you were in there, all normal laws of medicine and law were suspended. So you couldn't see, for instance, family couldn't see you. Your own doctor couldn't see you. Your spiritual guidance person couldn't see you.

Your lawyer couldn't see you. You were locked away. way. One of the things that they did was they would put people on the bi-pap, which is a non-invasive, I can't think of, I'm drawing a blank of the technical word, but you put it on. It is very uncomfortable. It is very unpleasant. Usually you hold somebody's hand and you say, hey, this is going to be rough. We're going to be here. If it's too much, let us know. What they did with COVID is they slapped it on and left the people in the room without any explanation of what they were going through. Many of these people panicked, understandably so. When they panicked, they were given sedatives,

or they were offered sedatives. And, you know, the diaphragm, which we breathe with is a muscle. So if you give somebody a sedative, you're reducing their respiratory function. You're also changing their legal status. Once somebody accepts a sedative or psychoactive substance, they can't just get up and walk out of the hospital. Number one, some of them can't, because you might have given them a big dose. Some of them are too adult to make a decision, but legally, they can hold you. And they might just give you more and more, and they can just hold you, right? So then the next thing they would do is say, look, you're not doing too well in the biap. I think if we intubate you, you're going to get out of here faster, which is a complete lie. So what is what is intubation?

It's called the garden hose, and they take it and they stick it down your throat. And to do that, they first have to knock you out. Obviously, you have to be unconscious. They have to give you... No, no, no, not necessarily. Not necessarily. Really? Oh, yeah.

It's very common to do awake. In fact, doing it awake, you do it through the nose. You can push it through the nose and it ends up. I don't know how much of that they're doing these days, but once you get it in through the nose, which is not an easy task, it's more comfortable than through the mouth later on. So sometimes there's that.

It's not a nasogastric tube, it's a naso-endotracheal tube. And, you know, it always causes pneumonia. You're pulling shit down with from the mouth and from the nose. And so, you know, and you have now an open conduit into the lungs. So whatever is in the hospital gets into the lungs. So the risk of pneumonia is massive, independent of the risk for pneumonia from COVID. So now you have that, good times. And the thing I kept hearing about was the, it called him like the happy hypoxic or the smiling hypoxic.

that there was a disconnect that was being ignored. I don't know if the nurses talked about this, between the numbers that they were reading about the blood oxygen level and the clinical appearance of the patient. And they were just insisting on treating the numbers. If somebody was below 84% or something, you got a tube. And there was at that time no evidence that you couldn't turn them around in a couple of days by other means.

Yeah, and you don't know that that reading is accurate. For instance, if they haven't cleaned it recently, it's going to give a different reading. Let's assume it is. For the sake of argument, let's assume it is. Okay. The patient clinically is not suffering. They're not miserable. Their heart's not failing. Their kidneys aren't failing.

They're not disoriented. They're comfortable and they're hypoxic. Okay. Let's keep going. Yeah. So I almost want to go off on a sidebar with the kidney failure. what was the only approved treatment by Dr. Fauci was Remdesivir. Yeah, and Remdesivir had been developed and tried in Africa to treat Ebola, and it was withdrawn.

And if you remember some of the stories about Ebola, they said, oh, this is a terrible virus. It makes your organs explode. I mean, it was graphic language, but it makes your organs fail, your kidneys fail in particular. Well, then we heard COVID made people's kidneys fail. were these people given remdesivir? Remdesivir was incentivized. If you gave somebody a course, I'm trying to remember, I think I was 10 days. If you got 10 days of remdivir, the hospital would get a big check.

We found one case, this was after I wrote the book, of a patient that was given three courses. They just kept loading them with remdivir over and over and over again. And one of the things I heard after I wrote the book, I made the acquaintance of lots of family members. who lost people in the hospital. And by the way, 92% of the people who, first of all, first of all, 1.2 million plus people died of COVID in the United States, quote, died of COVID. That's more than any other nation. Now, we do have a big population, but we're not the biggest country in the world. China should have had more numbers. India should have had more numbers.

And 92% of those people died in a medical situation, either in a hospital or in a nursing home. Now, in contrast, if you get shot, if you get shot, assuming you survive on the street where you've been shot and you survive in the ambulance, believe it or not, you have, I think, a 97% chance of surviving a gunshot, right? The numbers were reversed from COVID, 92% plus of the people who died of COVID died in the hospital. That is very strange right there. And I believe that one of the reasons so many people died is they basically had an incentive. This is very important. A financially incentivized assembly line that put people on a certain course. There was another thing I saw, too, which was doctors weren't allowed to practice their craft on COVID patients.

It had to go through committee. You know, first you use toxalusimab, then you use steroids, then you use remdesivir. It was just a algorithm. And why do you even need doctors then? You just plug through the algorithm. And the algorithm, God knows all the different influences that went into developing these algorithms. Well, you know, I tracked that down after I wrote the book. Who came up with this?

Who came up with these financial incentives? That included, you know, $13,000 just to have a COVID case. 39 to $42,000 to keep somebody. This is really interesting. You got an extra bonus if you kept somebody intubated and on a respirator for over 96 hours, I believe. it was 96 hours. Yeah. Now, I talked with respiratory therapists.

These are people, you know, these are seriously trained people, seriously experienced people. They all told me the minute, the minute we intubate somebody, we're hoping to get them off within 24 hours. We don't want them to linger. Absolutely. Absolutely. Because. Because, I mean, if you know, the pneumonia's happen, that's where all the complications come in. And there's something called barotrauma, I'm sure you came across this, which is that the pressure of the going into the lungs, the high flow oxygen and the pressure.

pressure destroys lung. And there's a hypothesis flying around that that's mostly what we were doing. Think about our lung tissue. You know, when we breathe, we have a certain amount of pressure. And when you're on one of these systems, they're pumping the air down into your, into your lungs at a high rate. And the tissue is not made for that. And then, of course, when you're...

And just the oxygen itself, the oxygen becomes free radicals in the alveoli and destroys the cells. And so there we're not made. We're not made for that. So typically you only put somebody on a vent if it's a very serious situation. And when you put them on the vent, you know that they may die just by being on the vent alone. So it's not something you do casually, but it was incentivized. And maybe we should get to who incentivized it. And this, this I found out later. It took a bit of research. Let me tell you what. Ken, hold on. Ken, wait, wait, wait, wait. We're going to, this is what you call a tease. We're going to hold that a cross a little break here. And then you're going to tell me who incentivized all this, where this all

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I could hold it up for you here, right? I've got it right next to me. I've been digging through it. Ken McCarthy.com and Brasscheckbooks.com is where I want you to go. And we were talking about the incentives, the distorted incentives around COVID and his other book, the COVID-Con. Have at it. Gotcha. Hey, I want to comment on something, you were saying about public health, and the difference between public health and clinical medicine and actual medicine, it's very important

for people to know that public health people are largely not doctors, they're statisticians. It was created by Johns Hopkins, the discipline was created by Johns Hopkins, by a guy who really never practiced medicine, though he did have an MD. And his background was experimental on pathology. So he's just so a lot of dead things and actually injured a lot of animals to study them. And then the other thing that... And do me a favor. The next book, we have to expose people to the realities of public health and the net harm

that it tends to do and the fact that it is a wrinkle in our constitution that gives them the ability for these poorly trained people, frankly. And the ones that are well trained are exclusively pediatricians because they used to manage the vaccine programs. And so people that don't have any business making these kinds of judgment and certainly don't have any business taking our amendment, our bill of rights away from us because they decided so just because. And believe me, the decision making during COVID was just bizarre.

But I'm sure you saw that. But please write a book about the excesses of public health through history. I'm actually working on that. It's called diabolical errors. Oh, God. You must come back and tell me, so tell us all about it, please. I'm so excited for that. Well, the model for public health, and this dawned on me recently, is literally factory forming.

So there's veterinarians who take care of your pet, and then there are veterinarians who manage, you know, these massive feedlots. And if you're managing a massive feedlot, you really don't care what happens to any individual animal. It's absolutely irrelevant. You have statistics. You want to get a certain amount of them out the door. And if 10% of them die in misery, it doesn't matter. And unfortunately, we are being run by the public health people. So let me tell you what I found out about how these incentives, which I believe killed

and injured a lot of people, where they came from. So there's a branch of the government that I had never heard of before called the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, CMS. ass and they are. Dr. Oz is in charge of that. Yeah. You know what? Yeah, maybe I need to talk with him because the people that were in charge with it before were not physicians. Okay, they were, they were basically political operatives. One came out of Mike Pence's Indiana Medicaid system, and the other came out of some, you know, Obama's infrastructure. So the people that made these incentives who said, okay, we want to get them remdesivir, put them on a vent, keep them on

the vent for none of those people were doctors. They were lawyers, statisticians, economists, policy analysts. There wasn't a doctor in the room. And we don't know, we know who signed off on them, and I'll give you their name. Seema Verma did that under Trump, and Chiquita Brooks LaSher did it under Biden. So we know they signed the papers, but nobody, knows who the individual bureaucrats were who cooked these things up under the CMS. And you made a really important point earlier. The doctors were overridden. It didn't matter if you had 50 years of clinical experience. You had to follow what you were told because in a hospital, you had the chief medical officer, CMO, but above him is the CFO in power. And that's what I heard from

the nurses. No, listen, not just the CFO, the CEO and the I. CEOs practicing medicine from the administrative offices of a hospital. It was shocking that my peers just fell in line with that, but they were threatened with their jobs. And what I didn't realize that like 75% of doctors were employees. And so these people had the purse strings to threaten physicians with their livelihood. It is a freaking mess. And we got to remember what was there. I want you to speak to the Brownstone people. They need to hear your stuff because there's a very mobilized group there, very interested in all of this.

In fact, I have to give a talk in a couple of weeks. And I may want to present your stuff there if that's okay with you to kind of highlight what's going on. Not to, yeah, not to pull the wind out of your sales, but this material is so important to keep top of mind for people. So you and I need to get an email thread at some point here. Yeah, there's a lot of people who write books know you start learning after the book is published. So I probably know 10 times as much as I was able to put in the book.

Well, listen, I'm glad you wrote the book. Caleb, did you want to ask Ken about his previous life and the things he invented for the internet that you were a recipient of the advantages that he brought forward? No, I was just so surprised that you were basically one of the pioneers of click-through rate on the internet back in like the 90s. that's where I recognized your name when it came up. I was like, wait, he's talking about health stuff. Isn't this that guy who was like big? I used to be big in internet marketing probably about 10, 15 years ago before I started here. So that's where I remember you from those days.

So very great to be talking with you today. You know what else? I have to brag. You know that how you can push a button on the web, a web page and audio comes out right away? Yeah. Without a player. We did that in 2002. Oh, thank you.

That's auto play. Oh, I love to that. I embedded that on my websites all the time until, you know, now they stopped all that. But that was good old days of the Internet. Well, this is a big deal, you know, health, the health of human beings. It's a serious issue. And, you know, we worked so hard to bring the Internet into being. And we hopefully generated some good things for humanity.

And then to see these monsters, these bureaucratic monsters take it all away. That's why I decided I better figure out what they're doing. I am so delighted you did. And Caleb, he did, Caleb is asking me whether you answered the question before the break. He did. It was two bureaucrats. We don't know how they cooked it up even. Although remember, Francis Collins said into a microphone, we never considered any risk or downside. We only wanted to get rid of the virus. So God Almighty was that one of the most disgusting statements I've ever heard by somebody who's supposed to be a clinician. And then the other thing I mentioned was your book, COVID-Con. And that's where we started talking about all this, the CMS and whatnot. Yeah, so basically you're, and you made a point about how many doctors are self-employed now. It is a declining number. And one company, believe it or not, United, was it United Health, that big one, they employ over 100,000 physicians. That's nearly 10% of every physician in America.

This is not a good situation. Doctors need to be independent. They need to use their clinical skill and their clinical experience. and their clinical judgment, and it's being overridden using public health. And this is the big problem. Yeah, and they're being trained in algorithms and things. They're not trained to develop their judgment the way it is a lot of things. A lot of, I need to get a whole Dr. Oz too.

They put together a new committee to try to change Medicaid and Medicare. And I don't, I don't know. I don't know if that committee is going to do it. He needs a lot more from the front lines reporting in order to understand how this. what a mess the system is. Well, listen, Ken, I look forward to talking to you. I appreciate your willingness to write these books and to share this information, as it let me share wide and far, which I hope to do with it. And believe me, there will be appropriate attribution, if anything I say is from your sources, I guarantee you. But is there anything else before we wrap this up?

Well, we've all got to become intelligent about our health and taking care of our health. If you're going into a hospital, you might want to make the acquaintance of a genuine medical advocate so that you're not in there alone, that there's somebody watching your back. Hopefully things go well. Great advice. It's what my job used to be as a primary caretaker. I used to do all the time. I would pick the best specialist.

I would watch all the way through it. I'd take care. I'd run the case. And now we've been marginalized. If you're not a hospitalist, you can't even go in the hospital. I just shepherded a family member through a morass of a system after a stroke. And I just shut her to think what had happened to her had I not been there. It's just an abomination.

And the first move they made was to eviscerate primary care. The next move was to destroy the patient-physician relationship. And now here we are. Here we are, everybody. I have some interviews on that in detail. Go ahead. Say that again. You have an interviewer's in detail where.

I have a website that's What the Nurses Saw.com. and I have detailed interviews with the owners of good medical advocacy companies. So if you go to that website, you can find those interviews and educate yourself. Great. Good to talk to you, my friend. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. You bet you. All right. We're going to switch gears a little bit. It's dovetailing on what Jessica Rose was pointing out about the potential of things like immunotherapies and vaccine therapies, affecting our immune system and what other

else might be out there driving some of the autoimmune problems that have been come so common these days. Dr. Isabella Wence can be found at thyroid pharmacist.com. Also Isabella Wendt, Wendt Z, FarmD, on Instagram. And on YouTube, it is thyroid pharmacist. Dr. Wence, thank you so much for joining us.

Thank you so much for having me, Dr. Drew. It's such a pleasure to be here with you. You as well. And I don't know if you heard the conversation I was having with Jessica. Did you happen to hear that conversation? I'll kind of lay it out simply. Yeah, absolutely.

It was fascinating. And I think she made so many great points about immune dysregulation and autoimmunity. All right. Have at it. So in my world, you know, when I was in training, we saw Hashimoto's thyroiditis. We went, oh, it's transient autoimmune thyroiditis. And we'll put them on hormone replacement. And maybe they'll need to stay on the thyroid forever.

I don't know. By the way, we're using synthroid back. then, which was a crappy medicine that had never been FDA approved, by the way. And now what are you doing to get at the root cause? Well, it started off in my own healing journey with my diagnosis of Hashimoto's when I was already a practicing pharmacist. And I was very, very young, still in my 20s when I learned that I had Hashimoto's after almost a decade of getting the run around and not getting the right type of testing done. And I was essentially told that I was getting older, that everybody was tired. You know, all of my symptoms were quote unquote in my head. And once I

finally got that diagnosis, I realized that I didn't really know much about the condition. I probably had one hour of lecture about it in pharmacy school and it was basically put people on synthroid, right? And there was no real discussion of what causes this condition and what you can do to feel better, get yourself into remission. And much to Ken's point, a lot of the thyroid epidemic has been created by public health efforts to make us, quote unquote, healthier. So there are studies that shown that, for example, adding iodine to the salt supply has increased the rates of autoimmune thyroid disease. So people that are in the middle will know that iodine can help with iodine deficiency hypothyroidism. However, it can also increase the rates of autoimmune thyroid dysfunction.

Then we have things like fluoride that's been added to our water supply too. So for great efforts to help us have beautiful, healthy teeth, right? Unfortunately, excess fluoride can also suppress thyroid function. And so I started really going down the rabbit hole of what did I do? What am I doing with my own health? And how do I take charge of my own health? And I learned about our processed foods. Many of our foods can really put the body on a blood sugar roller coaster.

So this can cause a lot of inflammation, immune dysregulation, cortisol issues. And so your body is more likely to develop an inflammatory autoimmune condition, such as Hashimoto's thyroiditis. And then further down the rabbit hole are foods. So a lot of our toxic processed foods, gluten being a particular reactive food for many people with Hashimoto's, can actually be very, very problematic. Interesting. Do you worry about the vaccine therapies and their longer term influences,

especially given that we don't track it meaningfully? Yeah, unfortunately, I have seen many people report and many clinicians in my network report that vaccines did increase autoimmune thyroid antibodies, for example, so people that were previously in remission from Hashimoto's, they would get a vaccine and their thyroid antibodies would skyrocket and their symptoms would come back. Also, new onset thyroid dysfunction has been documented with vaccines.

And really, you know, that's not a, as a pharmacist, if it was any other drug and it was causing this amount of side effects, then I'd have to document it and I'd have to really report it and make a big deal out of it. But during the pandemic, the word, you couldn't really say the word vaccine without getting in a lot of trouble or getting censored, especially. mine. And really with any kind of immune dysfunction, you're going to see higher rates of illness, autoimmunity. So whether you have an infection or you get a vaccine, certain medications can also bring out autoimmune dysfunction too. Well, Isabella, the other thing, the really

is a stunning thing was that there was an opportunity to report and it was just ignored. I really feel that the elderly did not have the lion's share of the adverse reactions to the vaccine, but I did see one severe one, and I 100-year-old, and I reported it, and it was a life-threatening event, and they said, thank you, we'll follow up. I followed up twice. Nothing. Zero. Life-threatening injury at 100-year-old. And zero, zero interest. So that's the VAERS reporting system. And I want to point something out too about your Instagram and maybe just your Instagram. Isabella is spelled with a Z and I did not point that out. And it's Wentz with a Z also, which is why I think a lot of your things are actually a thyroid pharmacist.

So people get confused about Isabella with an S. Are you looking at other autoimmune diseases? Because, you know, as an internist, not to make light of people's misery with all. autoimmune thyroiditis. The ones that get dangerous are the more systemic ones. And do you have any data on that? So there's a really interesting connection between actually gut dysfunction and autoimmunity. We do know that for an autoimmune condition to occur, you need to have three things present. One of them would be the genetic predisposition. The second one would be some kind of a triggering event.

And then the third one is going to be intestinal permeability, also known as leaky gut. And so one of the things that's really exciting this day and age is that, you know, we can't really change our genes. We can't really always figure out what the triggers are. Sometimes with autoimmune thyroid disease, we can figure out, okay, it was this infection or it was this kind of a nutrient deficiency and we can address it. But we don't always identify these things. For example, if you had an infection, a viral infection or a vaccine, you can't necessarily remove that from your system. But you can always work on the health of your digestive system and your gut. And in many cases, I have seen people can get a lot of conditions into remission when they do address whatever is causing their gut imbalance.

It could be things like a zinc or l-glutamine deficiency. It could be celiac disease. It could be small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. It could be actually protozoal infections are a big inducer of intestinal permeability. In our modern world, I feel like we don't talk about them enough. It's like this is a third world issue, but actually many of the people that I've seen with autoimmunity, they do have some kind of gut barrier disruption, and it could be from a protozoal infection. Give some simple sort of guidelines that you think the average person ought to do to mitigate these risks. So if a person wanted to prevent autoimmune disease and if they had some digestive symptoms already, I would highly.

recommend that they look into doing an elimination diet. So figuring out their food triggers, gluten and dairy are some of the biggest food triggers. For other people, it might actually be like fiber and raw vegetables. I have actually seen people reacting to lettuce and blueberries. And the other really big thing is going to be food additive. So any kind of processed foods, any of those artificial sweeteners and sugars, non-caloric sweeteners, these can actually be very damaging to the gut wall, and some of them can act as osmotic laxatives and really cause a gut barrier disruption.

The best thing I would do is try to do a home-cooked diet and then utilize really high-quality foods. If you're going to get something in a package, make sure that it's very high-quality and clean. So real foods, as we always say, grass-fed finished beef, things grown in the ground, things that aren't messed with too much, that are grown in trees, for instance. And look at the labels.

Be a label reader. Where do you come in on the seed oils? The seed oils can be definitely inflammatory, especially if you have too many of them in your day-to-day diet. So I'm a big proponent of using things like olive oil or coconut oil. and really minimizing seed oils. I'm not somebody that will say that they are the root of all evil. I do think we do overuse them, especially in processed foods.

And generally speaking, if you're going to be cooking at home, you're going to be hopefully avoiding them as much as you can. More tallow. That's what I say. Do you okay with tallow? Is that on your hip parade? Beef tallow is incredible. So it's one of the most anti-inflammatory things you can cook

with. So the point is that, you know, it's so interesting. I feel like, you know, if you watch the show Mad Men, that the people that manipulated and propagandized and marketed as to us in the 60s and 70s and maybe even the 50s, it just got involved in everything. And we all sort of live in this world of propagandized eating and health care. and we don't really question it because it's just in it's the like trying to make a fish aware of what water is. But it only takes, it doesn't take a lot of self-awareness or awareness of your environment, more importantly,

just start reading labels and to do a few simple things and to realize that, you know, we are, we are being literally fed, for lack of a better word, a lot of BS. And it doesn't take a lot to break out of it. and I'm glad you're advocating that we do so. Yeah, it really started with my own health, and I used to actually work in a public health setting as a pharmacist, and it was quite eye-opening to see that many of the things that I had been recommending were really not making people any better.

In fact, they were probably contributing more to illness, and part of my healing was also tuning out of the traditional media because I realized that a lot of it was just propaganda that was talking to us about that, you know, when I was in pharmacy school, subway commercials were my primary source of nutrition education, right? And it was like, eat more carbs, fat is bad for you. And I remember going through my biochemistry class during pharmacy school. And I actually got this test question incorrect because it was like, what are the required food groups? And I was like, well, fat can't be a required food group. And so I circled fat as the correct as the answer that's not required. And it was

like, I didn't even know you needed fat, but need fat for proper brain function. And a lot of people were on these low fat diets. They were eating all these carbs. And of course, we're going to have people with diabetes with blood sugar issues, people with obesity. And we're just... Again, public health, everybody. Well, what did you recommend in public health that hurt people? Just curious. You don't have to... I don't want you to fall on your sword. But I'm just curious. what kinds of things you look back on now is problematic. Well, definitely we were just kind of having a cookie cutter approach to everybody, right? So if somebody had diabetes, we were going to be advocating for them to use medications.

Maybe we could have been doing a lot more education about their nutrition, right? And there's also some herbal remedies. I love berberine for people with diabetes or myoanocetal can be incredibly helpful for people to balance their blood sugar. people with thyroid dysfunction also have blood sugar issues, they can actually get into remission with myo and acetyl and berberine. But yet we weren't really doing that. And one of the things that I learned was that medications were the cheapest intervention dollar for dollar, right? And so it was always like, can you recommend a medication? And when in any case, it was a lifestyle issue, right? Well, listen, is there a website you want to send people to?

My website is thyroid pharmacist.com and people can get more information about their thyroid, the stress response, which we didn't really get into. But we had one of the things we can talk about is how our stress response can lead to illness and autoimmunity as well and how to properly manage that. Cortisol. Absolutely. Cortisol. Read the website. Read about it. Thyroid pharmacist.

com. And go ahead, finish. and yeah one of the things that happens with with us when we're under a lot of stress is we can become depleted from nutrients so the B vitamins, magnesium and vitamin C

are some of these nutrients that get really really depleted and many times we're told that it's all in our head but these nutrient depletions can need to a lot of serious symptoms and just re-addressing your nutrients can help you feel significantly better

Dr. Wins, thank you for joining us. Thank you so much for having me. It's been a pleasure. You betcha. All right, coming up next Tuesday at 2 o'clock. I think we have a, let me look up there, what we're getting at next week. Let's see, Elmy Wolf coming back. Sean Spicer coming in, Patricia Heaton coming in, Dr. Fichter coming back. Look at all those great guests and more on the queue.

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