Ask Dr. Drew - Mom Paralyzed After COVID-19 Booster Vaccine SUES Moderna For $45 Million, Says She’s Now A “Quadriplegic For Life” w/ Kayla Pollock & Viva Frei – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 330

Episode Date: March 2, 2024

Canadian mother Kayla Pollock says she is paralyzed after taking a Moderna COVID-19 booster – but instead of compensating her, Canada offered their “Medical Assistance In Dying” euthanasia program. Kayla has filed a $45 million lawsuit against Moderna, saying their product caused her to become a quadriplegic for life. 「 BETTERHELP  」 This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try and get on your way to being your best self. Get 10% off your first month at https://betterhelp.com/DrDrewRumble Kayla Pollock is a mother from Ontario, Canada. She can be supported at https://givesendgo.com/kaylapollock and followed at https://x.com/kcpollock. Find Kayla’s lawyers at https://sheikhlaw.ca/ and https://x.com/uasind David Freiheit AKA Viva Frei is an attorney and host of “Viva Frei” on Rumble and Locals. He also cohosts the legal podcast “Viva and Barnes Live” at https://VivaBarnes.Locals.com. Follow Viva Frei at https://x.com/thevivafrei and https://vivafrei.com/ 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • PET CLUB 24/7 - Give your pet's body the natural support it deserves! No fillers. No GMOs. No preservatives. Made in the USA. Save 15% at https://drdrew.com/petclub247 • PROVIA - Dreading premature hair thinning or hair loss? Provia uses a safe, natural ingredient (Procapil) to effectively target the three main causes of premature hair thinning and hair loss. Susan loves it! Get an extra discount at https://proviahair.com/drew • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • COZY EARTH - Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets & clothing made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW for a huge discount at https://drdrew.com/cozy • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We have a great show for you planned today. Viva Fry comes back and joins us. Of course, he's an attorney. He's the host of Viva Fry and the legal show we co-host with Viva and Barnes. Check out vivabarnes.locals.com as well as on X, the Viva Fry, F-R-E-I, short for Fry Height. And he's joined by a Canadian mom who was allegedly paralyzed after a COVID booster. And if that weren't startling enough, as opposed to giving her medical services to assist her with what is now a lifetime of quadriplegia, their plan was to give her assisted suicide.

So I saw her on Viva's show, and I thought we'd all get together and discuss this. We have amazing guests coming next week and beyond. I will get with you. I'll tell you the whole lineup after this. Our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous.

I'm a doctor. f***'s sake. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat.

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And welcome back. As I said, I wanted to throw up the schedule for you before we bring my guest in here. Brett Weinstein in here on Tuesday. Dave Rubin at an early time on Wednesday. It'll be 1 o'clock Pacific. Kevin Bass, who was now kicked out of medical school. Dr. Victory will be back with him. And is Corolla on for the 12th, Susan?

Are we still doing that? I don't know yet. We don't know yet. But Failolla on for the 12th, Susan? Are we still doing that? I don't know yet. We don't know yet. But Fail is on for the 13th. Christina Anderson, the firebrand from the European Parliament, is coming with us. Mike Benz, she's at the Barsch doing a fire, an incredible job here.

And my apologies if my energy level seems a little bit down today. I had a little procedure, orthopedic procedure yesterday. And given Kayla's story, I do not want to complain about it. But just if I run out of steam, that's what that's all about. It's not a big deal, but successful procedure, nevertheless. So let's bring in my guest, which is Kayla Pollack, a 37-year-old mother from Ontario, Canada, who after a booster, she'd had the Pfizer series

and then had a Moderna booster in order to go see her father in an extended care facility. And very quickly after that, developed severe neurological symptoms. And of course, Viva Frye, I already told you where you can find David Frye Height. Of course, let's see. I said X. It's help me, Viva Frye. Get in here. Give me all your particulars.

I already lost track of my page. There it is. The Viva Frye, F-R-E all your particulars. I already lost track of my page. There it is. The Viva Fry, F-R-E-I. Kayla, thank you for joining us. Yes, there we are. Thanks for having me. You bet. And Viva, before I get a chance to hear Kayla's story, I think I really caught on to her story through you. You were, I mean, particularly for me, the thing that was the standout, I know from Kayla's perspective, it may not, there may be quite a bit more that stands out in terms of the subjective experience she's having, but this idea that someone with quadriplegia was offered assisted suicide, is that, am I getting that right? And what was your take on that?

Well, and Kayla will tell that part of the story on her own. I mean, this is how I see tweets going around where the story is of a Canadian woman, you know, rendered a quadriplegic from a booster. All right. And then to add insult to injury, the reporting is that the government offered her what we call up in Canada, maids, medical assistance in dying, a youth and a euphemism for euthanasia or, you know, what other eras used to call mercy killings. And it's been a big issue in Canada because since the Trudeau government took over 2016, the Supreme Court decision came down and said, we're going to expand euthanasia because, you know, it's a it's a constitutional right. And so they wanted to expand it to eventually the mentally ill, which was drafted into the law.

They want to expand it to people who are not suffering from terminal illness. They want to expand it to drug addicts, potentially. They want to expand it to minors who can't even consent. And year over year, euthanasia numbers have been not doubling, but pretty damn close to the point where in 2022 the number was give or take 14 000 canadians were euthanized rendered oh my goodness even no in quebec it was the third leading cause of death for a while and in canada it represents now 4.2 percent of all death and you hear these horror stories that you say, it's unfathomable. Veterans with

PTSD calling veteran services and being unsolicited offered euthanasia. And then the government says, oh, it's just a one-off. It's an accident. We're going to retrain. And then I hear this and I'm like, it can't be that after, you know, basically terrorizing and injuring a Canadian citizen, the government says, well, we don't really have the ability to take care of you. Have you thought about offing yourself? It's just, it turned my stomach to hear. And then Kayla and I had a long discussion where she explained everything and that's, that's, that's what happened. I want to get into that. And if you can't tell, uh, Viva is a huge fan of the Trudeau, Trudeau himself and the government,. But I have found great solace in Viva's vitriol towards some of the stuff going on, the excesses up there.

I'm going to hope and pray that that 14,000 was properly used. I mean, there is such a thing as proper use of this. Kayla's situation is clearly not, as with the veteran with PTSD. And it is the excesses, of course, that people recoil against when they think about advocating for this kind of thing. Now, usually in this country, they go, oh, doctors will start killing patients. No, no, no, it's not that. It's something far more pernicious that systems get put in place offering desperate people an option long before they should be receiving treatment. This is the part that makes everyone in my world crazy. So Kayla,

I'm going to let you tell your story. So you were going to see your dad, you'd had the Pfizer vaccine. What was your sort of position on vaccines going in to get that Moderna booster? I've never had any side effects from a vaccine. Definitely would not call myself an anti-vaxxer or anything like that. I did think it was quick and I didn't agree with the decision to basically, I feel like they forced us or coer us into um to having the vaccines in Canada I'm not sure what it was like in other countries but um I went to get the vaccine and not just that that I felt that uh before we had a trucker convoy here it seemed to be all over mainstream media and everything. We had a vaccine passport.

You couldn't go all sorts of places or do anything, really, if you didn't have this vaccine passport. And one of those things included, like, visiting people in long-term care. term care um and um so anyway to have the vaccine he had this vaccine passport and nobody was really sure how many vaccines was gonna were gonna be the end of it so they were talk about like um there was talk about uh mandating a third vaccine at some point and of course this is all information going and i'm sure in any country, you know, the WHO is saying one thing, the CDC is saying something, you got like your prime minister saying something, and, you know, everyone's kind of going around in circles, which I can understand. It had nothing to do with my political views, or anything like that. I thought, especially I was told on, on the, like on TV and on the media, I was told, you know, make sure you get vaccinated because

you have a comorbid condition, you know, you're type one diabetic. So make sure you get that vaccine because COVID could kill you. You're much more likely to die from these illnesses, no matter how healthy, you know, your diabetes might be, you're more likely to pass away from it. So that was sort of my, my, my reason for forgetting the vaccine. And describe what happened after you received the vaccine, what your symptoms were and what went down.

Well, within a matter of days, I fell to the floor and I have had an epidural before for pregnancy, so C-section. So I know what being paralyzed feels like kind of just from that and it felt just like it but I that didn't connect with me I thought I had just sort of woken up gotten out of bed and you know pinched a nerve something had happened and um within a matter of, let's say, 20 minutes or so, give or take, I was able to get back up and everything was fine. There was no pain. There was nothing else. So a little bit of time passed and not having a second time.

And at that point in time, I decided that this was something very very very severe sounding to me that this is happening um but uh my my uh I called my doctor and said I needed to get in to see a neurologist um there was a discussion that if I went to the hospital they would just say in here in Canada they just say you know what come back when it's happening so if you don't go right when it's happening you don't get fancy tests like an MRI or anything wow um so unless you're really lucky and you get the right doctor I guess and then uh within um within a matter not too long after that, um, I woke up completely, um, paralyzed from the neck down. Couldn't, couldn't move anything below my neck. Um, and couldn't, uh, couldn't do anything. Could, I couldn't scream. I couldn't like, um, like it was, it was very scary, but I'm like, why am I, I knew,

I knew that there's no, like, I knew it was like essentially quadriplegic at the time. Um, and I couldn't figure out why. And so I was able to tell a friend of mine to call 911. And it happened to be over that night. And 911 was called. 911 was good. But as soon as I got to the hospital, they said, you know, this is faking. You're faking being quadriplegic. So I was, you know, tossed in the hallway with hundreds and hundreds of other patients that were there during COVID. And then finally a doctor came along and he whispered in my ear and he said, I don't think

you're crazy. I don't think this is all in your head. Cause they had told me I had some sort of psychiatric reason for this without any of you getting me any tests with no prior episodes like this. So it was eventually, am I correct, that it was eventually diagnosed as transverse myelitis? Is that correct? I actually saw it on MRI. Okay. All right.

So transverse myelitis, Viva, I don't know if you are aware, but transverse myelitis is a classic vaccine reaction. When I give vaccines to patients, I worry about the acute allergic type reactions, which I've seen a few of, and those are highly manageable. But the thing that can be devastating is transverse myelitis. And as Kayla is describing it, it's usually at a very, very specific spinal cord level. Like you can just draw the anatomy anatomy i'm guessing you're like about a c2 is that about where you are c3 level yeah and so she's at c yeah and and now now and it then it's everything below is out right and so the the yeah but but the the the interesting thing is sometimes it comes back, right?

Not everybody gets permanent paralysis from this. So what have they told you about that? What kind of treatments have they tried? What's going on with that part and how long has it been? It's been two years. I've only gotten worse because they don't pay for physiotherapy here. So it's about $20,000 to $40,000 a year for a quadriplegic to receive the right type of therapy. They didn't really tell me,

they told me right away that it wasn't going to restore things that I had basically that the steroids that they were giving me, they hoped I could get some arm function back, which I did get a little bit of that back. Oh, that's good. Yeah, that's what they usually slop on is a bunch of Decadron or Coprednisone or something. Just to explain, to highlight something about the Canadian, I mean, it's probably the same elsewhere, but especially in socialized, you know, free healthcare. When you have the symptoms, they come and they go.

And you get to the hospital, if you don't have the symptoms, they're not going to do anything. And they'll send you back. And they say, Kayla, go get a neurologist. I didn't have a GP in Canada for about two years. I was lucky enough to have like what they call someone between a doctor and a nurse. But it's an 18-month waiting list to get a GP in Canada for about two years. I was lucky, lucky enough to have like what they call a someone between a doctor and a nurse. But it's an 18 month waiting list to get a GP. So you say, go, go wait for some neurological tests and MRI and whatever. And then this happens in the interim. But to be told, I mean, this is what enrages me about this is that we're living in a in a post jab world now where even doctors don't want to admit or even contemplate the obvious when maddie

dagary the the kid who was who partook in the trials for pfizer had i forget now what it was called it was not traverse myelitis but she had another a similar neurological reaction they said it's in her head it's a tummy ache and they wrote it out of the actual trials they wrote her out of the trials and i i can't imagine the horror when Kayla's telling me the story and the doctor's like, it's psychosomatic, it's psychiatric. And I said, well, what were you sitting up? Are you moving? He's like, no, I was on my back paralyzed. And I have this doctor who refuses to even state the obvious telling me it's in my head. I mean, it's, it's enraging. It's, it's, it's an absolutely broken system, but at least it's free in theory.

Yeah. It's free. Come on now. Was it Guillain-Barre? Is that what the Pfizer study? No, I'm going to have to, no, it was for Maddie to hear. I'll have to pull it up, but I forgot now. It's interesting. And you know, when we were rolling into this episode, those of you that were in the chat rooms and whatnot, we played an episode we did with Jessica Rose and Joseph Freiman. And what he discovered was the way they determine whether or not a VAERS report or even a specifically identified major vaccine reaction by the FDA

is related to the vaccine is they have a guy, they send a guy out, just a guy. There's no such thing as that. Imagine if they'd send a guy out to decide for Pfizer or the FDA to decide whether Vioxx was causing heart attacks. If you just sent a guy out to study it, he would come back and say, no, it's not. Heart attacks happen.

Vioxx is commonly prescribed. Only eight cases. It's sporadic. No big deal. And even if it is a big deal, Vioxx is such a great drug. I mean, that's the world we live in. And I don't see any change in sight. Today, I saw Paul Offit. This is something that's driving me a little crazy. He was pushing very hard on vaccinating under age five. Okay. And look, I get it during alpha and delta. It was not irrational during alpha and delta because that was a bad illness and it killed some kids and pediatricians have zero risk tolerance when it comes to dying children, which I don't know. I don't know if we all sign on to that or not. I'm not a pediatrician, so I don't understand. When adults, we have lots of risk tolerance in terms of years of life lost.

For a child, it's an entire life lost. That's a major tragedy. So there's little tolerance for children losing their life. Now, trying to be determined whether a vaccine has a lesser series of risks associated with it than the illness itself, that of course is a difficult thing. I would say with COVID alpha and delta, I'm going to accept that it was a reasonable thing. What's driving me insane is we live in a new world of Omicron that does not have any real significant consequences. And they're still quoting data from 20 and 21, which was a different illness. And then it did make sense. And 800 kids did die. Now, I spent the afternoon trying to find any documentation of how many children had died, let's say, the month of December 2023. You cannot find it.

You cannot find it. Drew, I don't know what the numbers are. I would like to look into whether or not 800 kids actually died from COVID versus with COVID because I don't think they were making that distinction back in the day. In Canada, the number they attribute is like under 30. And now that we know that one kid who they attributed to a death with COVID was a 14-year-old with stage four brain cancer who was in a coma and they just tested him before he passed. And he had COVID and they chalked it up to a COVID death. I would question how many children actually died from COVID. But on that issue, what's amazing is when Kayla goes to the hospital, luckily, I mean, I say luckily in the most sinister of ways, she tested negative for COVID, so they couldn't blame it on a COVID infection. But you know damn well, had she tested positive for COVID, even if she had it six months

ago, they would have said, oh yeah, you're transverse myelitis. That's from the COVID viral infection, not from the jab. And they would have just chalked it up to that. And now they have no alternative. So they have to finally acknowledge that it was probably caused by the jet. So that's a super common thing that's happening these days, which is without adequate data, people are saying, oh, it's COVID, not the vaccine. Well, in that same breath, if they really want to be accurate, why not COVID and the vaccine?

That pretty much covers everybody too. How do we possibly know it's not both that's what i've been saying for two years it's either covid or vaccine or covid plus vaccine but please let's sort it out let's figure out what the deal is i don't know well drew i i i've gotten into a fight with the you know purported alleged doctors on the twitter sphere and two of these doctors who are still pushing this crap admit that they got myocarditis one admits that they got myocarditis from i believe it was the moderna jab the other one says yeah i got myocarditis but it was from a covet infection not from any one of the multiple jabs i took prior

to and i'm like you're the doctor and i'm the lawyer that doesn't make any sense but to know that it's just it's the treatment that kayla got as a result of this we were all tormented into this irrational fear of, look, at the beginning, I was tremendously fearful as well. But you get coerced into taking these shots. And then when she suffers an adverse reaction, it's an act of bravery for one of the doctors to whisper to her. She got it on the recording.

Yeah, I've seen a lot of it. It's from the jab. And then they say, well, we can't really take care of you. Sorry you've been paying into the system. Now we offer your name. Because I don't have Kayla's medical record. I haven't seen all the radiographic

imaging and whatnot. I don't want to start to wade into what does Kayla have because Kayla tells us her history. I will accept her history on the way she tells it. The part I am most interested in is how she was marginalized and then given maids that that to me is the really unfortunate kayla i'm sorry but the really interesting part of your story so tell us how that happened how they

decided to offer you what's it was medication assistance, medical assistance, medical assistance in dying. Yeah, sorry. So the first time I was just on a unit and, you know, they had told me that, you know, I wouldn't regain control over my bladder or my bowel, and my life was going to be shortened. And now with a major comorbidity, I needed to really think about whether it was a type of lifestyle that I wanted to live. Wait, wait, wait. Stop right there. Stop right there. That already needs a little examination. So here you are. You're an insulin-dependent diabetic, and now you have quadriplegia, and they're saying this isn't the lifestyle you want to live it's such an odd construct are those actually the words they use well they're they're asking me if it's lifestyle if it's if it's you know to

consider if it's a type of lifestyle that i would be able to but they use the word but kayla when i'm zeroing in they use the word lifestyle which is just so odd it's so odd to me and it's like is is if you get a cancer diagnosis and you need some chemo and we're more likely to you know we're likely to give you a good outcome is that the kind of lifestyle you want to live somebody who takes chemo and has a history of chronic severe illness it's just i the word lifestyle doesn't belong here viva you agree with me oh i i i'm trying i'm biting my tongue because i have only expletives to say right now they set aside like if it were any other circumstance and they did this it would be equally as atrocious i consider kayla to have been injured by government

policy government harassment government intimidation that's that's my belief people can disagree with me or not they do this and then they say well it's going to cost us a little more than we you know it's going to cost us too much to keep you alive. What good is it? I mean, there was a CBC article from 2019, 2020, as Canada and Trudeau's Hitlerian regime are ramping up euthanasia. And the CBC ran an article that said, don't worry, it's not going to add cost to the healthcare system. Euthanasia might actually save the system money. I was like, yeah, that's the problem. That's when you have the economic considerations that overtake humane considerations.

Sorry, Kayla, you were going to say something. No, I was just totally agreeing with you. It was my understanding after the second time, which was somewhat of a similar, quicker passing. I actually was reading the email because uh i just read it uh i think it was yesterday but i was actually um i was agreeing that uh

it seemed like i was going to cost the system between two illnesses so much money so much care and i was also thinking they were offering me long-term care and I'm thinking you know there's all these baby boomers there's nowhere for people to go in Canada we're running out of housing we're for just general population and we're running out of long-term care and things like that so or people that they need to be built and we're way understaffed here like I'm sure you guys are there and it's it's just so much easier to I hate to say it but dispose of people who you know might be just a burden on the health care system So to be quite completely honest, I highly considered it. I mean, I, um, I even, uh, emailed the number, like the, the lady, they gave me a, um, sorry, um,

an email address and, uh, I emailed her to find out more information because to be honest, it's not a life that I want to be living. It's horrible. It wreaks havoc on your emotions. I might as well be stuck in a hospital room sometimes, I think. But I also have a young son. But there are days, I mean, it can be day to day that I think, well, maybe they're, maybe they're right. Maybe it is a good idea, you know, maybe it is better, but then I also have to look at my own, you know, my own faith, my own beliefs and, and just trying to make it day by day. But I i'm not gonna i'm not gonna lie i i highly

considered it until i started to really kind of put the pieces together and i realized like they had said something i remember one of the comments the doctor made he said we actually did three euthanasias this morning it's it's not difficult um people you know they don't it's so disgusting i remember we were in the hospital and and i can hear i could nothing to it no and i could also just run the fluid just throw it in no problem easy easy peasy all right guys hold on one second i i i'm gonna hold on i i got a million questions. Wait, let her finish. Let her finish. Okay, finish Kayla.

I could hear a man down the hallway and he had come in with some sort of, it sounded like breathing issues that were really severe. And the doctor was kind of yelling into his ear because he couldn't hear him. I don't think properly. And he's like, you have to decide if you want to live like this or if you want us to stop like your medical treatment your wife can come here and we can set up um we can set up made or you could we could take you off the machines like it was just a buzz

like a new fad and it's They're going to take advantage of the most vulnerable people on earth, the ones who are in those states who don't have family sticking up for them. It's utterly disgusting. I mean, it's utterly disgusting. I'm not against, you know, a terminally ill person decided to do it.

My father-in-law had pancreatitis. There's a moment where you're not going to get any better. But there's also a person where they're supposed to offer treatment and not offer to offer you because they can't bear the costs anymore. It's inhumane. Right. Sorry.

So that's what I want to get into. I want to wade into the weeds a little bit on these issues because it's complicated. I'm going to tell you what. I am very much in favor of people having more command over their end of life. But, boy, you have to put safeguards in place. And this whole conversation sounds as though almost none of that exists in Canada. I don't know if it does or doesn't.

But if money becomes the priority, then we are in big, big, big trouble. Eva Fry is with us. Kayla joins us as well. Kayla, where do you want people to find you? Do you want people to follow you? Do you want people to follow you on social media or anything? Do you have my Gibson Go there,

Viva? Yes. Yeah, you guys definitely have it in the description. As well as... It's up on the screen. I'll shout your lawyers out, Kayla, because they deserve to be shouted out. Umar Sheik, S-H-E-i-k-h sheik law.ca he's representing kayla and um dan hartman who's sean hartman's father suing pfizer and he's doing the lord's work it's uh someone's got to do it all right we'll take a little break

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telling this terrible story. No matter how you, you know, people fall into weird camps no matter what story you're trying to tell. But poor Kayla has had to suffer because of this. How do you, Kayla, manage your day-in, day-out life? I want to talk about suicide and all that business in a second, but I'm wondering, do you have to have somebody, a caretaker there with you all the time, or how does that work?

Well, someone has to do all my basic functions, getting me out of bed every morning, coming in the day. I'm left alone most of the time, but I can't. I have a catheter bag and I can't do any bowel functions by myself. So, you know, and the Canadian medical system doesn't get anyone to do that. So if you don't have a friend or family member that's willing to do that for you, you go straight to long-term care. Right, to a nursing home, essentially. And you said that at one point you were actually contemplating using the medical assistant.

Again, it's such a weird euphemism. It gets caught in my craw. I can't say it. Medically assisted, what? What is it? End of life? What do they call it? Medical assistance in dying. Medical assistance in dying. Genius. That when they were coming to you offering this, you contemplated it. And what I'm wondering is, have you ever had suicidal thoughts at other times in your life? Did they ask you about suicide? Did this seem like you were contemplating suicide when you were actually responding to what they were offering you?

I had had thoughts of it in my previous life times experience with that hospital um at the time i just wanted care and i was seen by a psychiatrist and everything who said like you know she's back here basically saying that she's not getting enough care and that's again when they they offered made the second time um but yeah i i highly considered it like i said i mean i even went as far as to call the the um or not to call but to email um because it seems like if you can't be treated and you're going to end up in a long-term care facility, you don't have family. It just seemed like this perfect solution, you know, at a very vulnerable time. I mean, this isn't even a year.

We're not even talking like a year later. Like we're not even talking past the grief stage we're not talking you know they gave they gave uh about three three months of counseling after i became quadriplegic that's all i um that's all it was uh um that's all they would give me um no i just want to say like forget past the grief stage. They're offering it when they're not even past the potential healing stage. This is why it's enraging, and there's no better word for it. They're basically telling Kayla, we don't think you're going to get any better, which is already a devastating thing to say,

and I'm not sure how medically accurate it could be within the first year. No, first year, they can get better. They can get better. In fact, it's, I think, more common than not. But yes, they can get the first year. No, first year they can get better. They can get better. In fact, it's, I think, more common than not. But yes, they can get better first year. Imagine they say, we don't think you're going to get better.

We're not going to help you get better. And we're going to offer you to end your life because it's cheaper for us. I mean, Drew, Kayla, I don't know if Kayla knows the details because I've been talking about, you know, the medical assistance in dying. I'm calling it the mercy killings. That's what it was called back in the day. You know, they made an ad, this company called Simon's Clothing. It's a retail clothing store.

They made an ad celebrating the life and euthanasia death of a woman named Jennifer Hatch. And it was this movie, it was this three-minute video called All Is Beauty, describing her choice to end her life. And it turns out that Jennifer Hatch didn't have a terminal illness. She suffered from Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome. And she ended up, it turned out that she wanted to live, but she couldn't get adequate care

from the Canadian healthcare system. And so they ended her life. There was a woman who had multiple chemical sensitivity that just needed adequate lodging. And the government granted her euthanasia. And then they offer it to veterans. They offer it to Kayla, who they should be treating and doing everything under the sun to make better, given that I do chalk this up to their act or coercion. And instead of even helping her get better or helping her deal with the harm that the government has imposed on her, they then say, it'll be cheaper and easier for us to end your life and take advantage of a

person in their most vulnerable moment. Where if Kayla didn't have a son, I think he was seven, seven or eight at the time, who knows what would have happened. I mean, it's, it's just,

it's disgusting. It's evil. There's no other word for it. Sorry. Well, and, and what, what,

what I'm struggling with here, again, I, I think end of life should be as,ful and sort of dignified as any other part of life when there's no other options or when the misery associated with going on is so profound that these seem like sensible options but this sounds like not medical this sounds like not medical assistance and dying this sounds like assistance and suicide sanctioned this sounds like sanctioned murder it's state sanctioned murder well it could be murder but it but it's also a suicide right i mean think about it think about it the i i have ellers down let's take the other case i have ellers down let's i have a lot of pain i can't adequate care, so I'm going to kill myself.

I want to kill myself because I can't get what I need from the government. It's crazy. Not to quibble over semantics, except it's not you doing it. It's a government injecting you with something that kills you. They get the authorization from the government. In many jurisdictions, encouraging someone to commit suicide is a crime. Not everywhere, but in some jurisdictions. But when the government does it, it's not a crime anymore.

When the government does it, they give it a beautiful little euphemism, medical assistance in dying. There was a Forbes article that compared this to the Nazi era mercy killings. And when you see how it's being weaponized and abused, there's no other way to look at it. So it's all that's safe. Kayla has now got a network of people who are, everyone is doing everything they can to help, but it's the government, you know, injures people and then leaves them to fend for themselves and crowdsource their own existence

where the government should be doing this, had the obligation to do it, and then absconded. Kayla, what's happening now? How are you dealing? How's the case going? What's happening currently? I haven't regained any function in two years. Like I said, it's gotten a lot worse. Unfortunately, it isn't MS. There were no lesions or anything. They did keep track of that and they ruled out everything else. But I think that, like you said, it's a one in three chance that you'll either completely get better,

get better with some neurological impairment that causes discomfort, or that you'll become severely disabled. And I'm not saying that once you're severely disabled that you can't get some functions back but once you hit the you know they say the two the two-year mark usually um that the the likelihood is just very unlikely based on i guess what's set in with your body and the spinal cord being essentially the nerves and everything just being you know fried so it can be really difficult in terms of the the legal case what's going on with that um viva do you want to i i well i'm not i'm not the lawyer in the file this is in an ontario provincial court i only practiced out of que, but I did get the lawsuit from Umar Sheikh, her lawyer,

who's also representing Dan Hartman suing Pfizer. It's interesting. I read the lawsuit. It's a pretty straightforward negligence, breach of fiduciary, breach of duty. First things first, people were asking me, how is it that anybody can sue the pharma companies in Canada if they've been given immunity?

And that was the first question I had to ask is, in Canada, there's no immunity under the PrEP Act. So there's no bar to lawsuits. What apparently was negotiated into the contracts between the Canadian government and Pfizer, Moderna were indemnification clauses. So there's no procedural or legal bar to suing the companies. They might be able to call the government in warranty and say, you agreed to hold us harmless. So if we're ordered to pay Kayla anything, you're going to pay us and compensate us for that. The lawsuit's pretty straightforward. Moderna never had a product, never had a medical product. They never had a product before. And Pfizer, the veterinarian CEO're they're dabbling with

with mrna for the first time ever and i mean you you go back and watch uh burla talk about it it was very counterintuitive but they were very persuasive persuasive with two dollar signs for the s's but you know so these companies were making statements and affirmations about safety efficacy without warning anybody about any potential risks. And everybody knows with any vaccine, and even if it's a real bona fide vaccine, there are risks. They sensitize you to them. They mention them to you. However rare they are, they mention them.

With COVID, it became Voldemort couldn't even couldn't even suggest that there would be potential side effects, let alone the ones that they probably knew, probably hid, probably found a way to figure out of their stats by excluding Maddie Degary from the trials. The lawsuit alleges that Moderna made statements that had no business making, didn't do follow ups after market and, you know, by and large, probably lied to the government. So it's, my fingers are crossed for the lawsuit, but that's, that's the extent of the Moderna and the Dan Hartman, Sean Hartman's father against Pfizer is basically the same, the same legal basis. And AstraZeneca actually had their trial stopped at one point in time for a transverse, my latest case, as you said, it can be, it can be, um, caused by different things, but, uh, it can be right after vaccines or within you know eight weeks after six to eight weeks after a vaccine i don't know if you've ever seen it in your practice but i have i've had a case i had a case and she had permanent disability from it yep i just had to

google in real time to make sure that i'm that i'm not misstating the facts moderna had never had distributed a product before and And all of a sudden, they come out with an mRNA technology that's, what's the word? When you, not sacrosanct, but you can't even question it. They come out and make public statements, warranties and representations,

100% effective at what? Lord knows. Safe and effective. They don't tell, they didn't sensitize Kayla to any of the potential side effects that are known with any foreign body entering a foreign, you know foreign body entering a human body.

And they didn't do any aftermarket follow-up. The various reports in the States existed for a reason. It was supposed to indicate signals that should cause pharma companies to look into those signals. These were bona fide signals and they knew it and they probably concealed it. So hopefully this succeeds past a certain point and maybe we can get some discovery with what i believe are criminal organizations you mentioned it before drew but like pfizer and johnson and johnson two of the three top uh criminal settlements in pharma history it's a coincidence two of the three of them are are the two of the three that produce these uh these jabs it's it's amazing but you

don't trust them they're they're much different now than they were a decade ago. Right. There are so many crazy aspects to all this. Another way to look at it, Viva, is it's amazing, given the speed with which these things were rolled out, amazing things were much worse when you really get down to it. What's astonishing is no one wants to find out how bad is it. They just don't down to it. What's astonishing is, but what's astonishing is no one wants to find out how bad is it.

They just don't want to know. And that's the part. And they're relying on these observational studies of lots of people. I get it. There's been a lot of people that were observed. Gosh, there was one just last week that came out on a million plus people.

And it was a very odd study. The first thing, 150,000 people dropped out. No documentation about what happened to that 150,000. Secondly, they only looked at vaccine reactions after the first 45 days. And then if they found somebody with a vaccine reaction 45 days going forward, they looked back to see if that person had been hospitalized not anyone else in that 45 day window it was really odd and then and that i keep seeing over and over and over again where you know they're using end points

that are weird how many icu hospitalizations but that none of it had anything to do with covid in a study i saw on pregnant women none of it was covid it do with COVID in a study I saw on pregnant women. None of it was COVID. It was all other causes. What's that? A recent stat out of the UK. You know who Neil Oliver is? He was on GB News.

Scottish guy. Amazing. He suggested that the excess deaths out of the UK were linked or, you know, linked potentially to the rollout of the jab, not the jab itself, but the rollout. He gets fact checked by Reuters. Reuters comes out and says, yeah, sure. There's been about 75,000 excess deaths since I think it's 22 to 23 in the UK, but there's no evidence to link it to the jab. How the hell can there be evidence to link it to the jab when you're not looking for it, when you look for any other excuse under the sun? And then the bottom line also, it's a, it's a lose-lose situation. It's either it to the jab when you're not looking for it when you look for any other excuse under the sun and then the bottom line also it's a it's a lose-lose situation it's either tied to

the jab or it's not or partially one way or the other post-pandemic having 75 000 excess deaths out of the uk something sinister is going on and it's undeniable but you know don't don't suggest it's related to the jab it's uh energy drinks it's uh stress's the environment. It's whatever other bullshit excuse they want to find. Yeah. And look, I'm prepared to accept that it is related to COVID itself. But how do you parse out the contribution of vaccine? How do you know it's not both that really is the issue? Because spike seems to be the major source of pathogenesis.

And both create a lot of spike. And to me, just my simple brain thinks, you know, by simple deduction, I'm guessing that both of them have some role to play here because spike is the problem. And if one spike doesn't prevent the second spike, like Albert Bourla told us in an April 1st, 2021 tweet, if one spike doesn't prevent you from getting the second spike, are you not compounding spikes? And that's not a tremendously difficult question to ask even for a dumb lawyer. And, you know, I was getting regular tests just because I work for a school board. And so vaccinated or not, you had to get you had to be tested

every few days or at least that was recommendation and i was so paranoid being around kindergarten children that i was testing and um as far as i know if i've ever had coronavirus it would have been before i it ever like before it was a known thing because it it's you know never had never been sick after that or anything. But I think the hardest part is that people don't, they keep asking me like, well, you know, if you're, if you're telling the truth and your story was at all relevant, wouldn't it be all over the mainstream media?

And I had no idea how like censored the media was until this all came up. Like until this came out, I had no idea how censored the media was until this came out. I had no idea. I mean, I'd like to think I'm decently educated for 37 years. Especially in Canada. Yeah. They're not allowed to watch Fox News in Canada. Is that true? No, they're not.

That's hysterical. They want to ban Fox News and keep Tucker out of the country. It's wild. I mean, this is another element of a captured industry is media, legacy media in Canada is either financed by the government, which makes it no better than Pravda, or it's inherently

reliant on government ads, government subsidies. They will not talk about it for the life of them. Any more than Fox News will talk about it because they get a lot of pharma ad dollars as well. So it's Kayla and others have had to rely on independent media. I'll bring it up again, just like Dan Hartman, Sean Hartman's son. The media still hasn't touched it. The kid has now gotten the dad's gotten confirmation. His son's death was related to the jab where he had they did slides of of his uh uh gland i'm gonna mess up it doesn't have the details um it's confirmed with

kayla the doctor himself said yes and we've seen lots of it kayla what's the status of your vaccine injury support program application um i got a phone call the first they lost the first one a year late like but for a year i was strung along to believe they had it. I would call them and then they said they lost it. And I thought, oh my goodness, why would I bother to put this in again? And then I thought, you know what, I'm going to do it. And unfortunately, it seems like only money talks because our money is not being put into health care or whatever. Apparently, our tax dollars, I mean, I think 50 cents of every dollar you make, 25 percent of that goes to health care in Canada. But we have a really hard, far way to go. And I think that's also kind of why I stepped forward because I don't think people realize that, you know, this could, you know, this could be anybody. I mean, I didn't take the vaccine anymore than, you know, I think it was, we had like an 86% Canadians took at least one vaccine. So any one of 86 of 100 people could be sitting in my

wheelchair right now. Can you imagine? They don't have enough money for the system, for the likes of people who they've injured like Kayla, but they can go ship another $3 billion to Ukraine with however many million, and Drew, I'm not joking about this,

allocated to transgender people going in to demine Ukraine. This is what the government does with our money, $3 billion to Ukraine. But hey, Kayla, we don't have the means for you. So have you considered killing yourself? And it's, what was that? Oh, the other one there, another amazing squandering of Canadian tax dollars, the Arrive Can app, which was this app, Drew, that you downloaded on your phone, so the government could track everything that you did during covid when you come back it tells you to go to quarantine the app was supposed to cost eighty thousand dollars the estimates for how much they squandered

on that app is now 60 million dollars but mate someone who they've injured needs well human human treatment they don't have enough money for that. Yeah. Somebody is on Rumble saying, with all due respect, Drew, people are tired of hearing maybe it's COVID. How many distinguished guests have you had clearly and explicitly refute the notion that it's just COVID, it's the vaccine? Yeah, I don't disagree.

People have come on and made convincing cases. We've not brought in people that want to make the convincing cases on the COVID itself because there's a lot of data out there that suggests there is a problem. But it's very confusing. And the reason I keep bringing up both sides is until somebody really does a systematic review. So this was going to be my next point, Viva, which is we have some of the MPs in the British Parliament now starting to speak up and go, there's a problem here with excess deaths. And literally, they empty the room when they come up and bring this topic up. And my question would be, is there or is there not excess deaths? Oh, there is?

Isn't this a national emergency? I Oh, there is? There is. Isn't this a national emergency? I don't care what the cause is. Isn't this a national emergency to once and for all determine what the cause of this is? Oh, and Drew, in the UK, when they were fact-checking Neil Oliver, they say, oh, yeah, well, actually, the excess death is higher among the unvaccinated than the vaccinated. I'm like, oh, that's because possibly you count as an unvaccinated death someone who dies within two weeks of the jab. I mean, what's the expression? There's liars, damn liars and statistics. I mean, it's just there's an easy

way to fudge the data so that it yields the result that you want. Bottom line, excess death in the UK, excess death in Canada. I think it's the first time causes of deaths of unknown causes has surpassed dementia as cause of death. That just, and throw into the mix, euthanasia being the third leading cause of death in Quebec and accounting for 4.2% of death in Canada. And you can actually, you know, even reduce some of the other numbers of the excess death by doing that. I also believe that the rare side effects came above all of the minor, like the serious side effects, including death, if I'm not mistaken, came ahead of things like sore arm and they grouped them all kind of in together with the data. But I know that was something that uh my lawyer and i

had spoken about it's just some of the ways that that they were able to not disclose their data or they were able to just reverse it um or just you know and and i guess that's why you know um i thought i don't know where i'm going to get with this. It's going to be more of a headache. There's no amount of money you could pay me to ever go through this. To me, I always say, it feels like I've been locked up in jail for a crime that I did not commit. And, you know, I'd rather just, you know, at least fight them and see if I can at least one day have the care that I need as I age so that I don't have to go into, or even if I'm still fighting this in a nursing home. And let me point out to people that quadriplegia, people imagine it being bad enough,

not being able to move your limbs, but skin breakdown, urinary tract infections. I mean, it gets to be really intense, the medical problems that develop if you're not properly attended to. You know, I was thinking of the other ways they distort stuff. I've been thinking about my own case lately, guys. And that was somebody who came out after me on Twitter. They put up an interview I did where I talked about

how miserable alpha or delta, whichever I had, the initial wave of COVID was for me when I had it and all the long COVID symptoms I had, which completely resolved, completely resolved. I don't have any ongoing symptoms from it. It was miserable. It was a nasty illness. I've had Omicron a couple of times since. One time I didn't was a nasty illness. I've had Omicron a couple of times since. One time I didn't even know I had, I just infected everybody around me. So I finally knew I had it. It's so mild. And I took the J&J vaccine and had a major vaccine reaction. I was seriously vaccine injured. I woke up, there's my eye, I woke up with that raccoon's eye, which is the presenting sign of a transverse sinus thrombosis, which is what killed people with the vaccine.

So I had essentially a potentially near-death experience with the vaccine, and I had misery with COVID, but it left me with no consequence, thank God. But the vaccine could have been the thing that killed me. I was never in any danger of dying from COVID ever. In fact, when people would ask me, were you scared? I was bewildered by that question because the probability of me dying of COVID was less than 1% given what I had. And I had a magnificent response to monoclonal antibodies and to decadron and all the things we could do to treat COVID that no one in public health was telling anybody at the time. That was the thing that drove me insane. And then because we went to Europe, so we had to take the vaccines,

and then I had a major vaccine reaction. The other thing is it's interesting to me, Vivo, when you're describing some of the excesses of the Canadian government. Boy, it sure sounds familiar, and the media too. It sure sounds the same as down here. It certainly sounds the same as California. So California and Canada have become like-minded

organizations. I was going to say, yeah, but I think Canada is three times worse. I won't be able to check the stat. Now, I'm fairly certain Canada's euthanasia rate is three times that of California despite a similar population size.

Well, we have it here, but we actually seem to be using it properly. Listen, I am not against euthanasia per se. I'm against mercy killings, and I'm against encouraging people, and I am categorically against suicide, medically assisted. It shouldn't be suicide, right? You should specifically exclude suicide from the equation. It should be when death becomes a necessary, an imminent outcome, and an important part of keeping dignity and comfort, okay, then it's a part of treatment. It's not suicide. It's not assisted suicide.

It's a terrible word. That's what it is. You have to read the way the Canadian government describes the evolution of euthanasia in Canada. It started off as the Supreme Court saying you could not constitutionally deny the right to someone who's terminally ill to end their life with dignity. And then it expanded to the mentally ill. You mentioned the mentally ill. People who are suffering from something that compromises their ability to consent and then you offer them and

they can consent to ending their life then they want to extend it to minors they want to extend it to minors who can't consent and so then you rely on the parents to consent to euthanizing a child who doesn't even necessarily need to be terminally ill i mean they used to make jokes about post uh post-birth abortions they used to make jokes about post-birth abortions. They used to make jokes about that. And what you're basically getting into is a world where that joke, sick joke, has become reality, at least in Canada, under the Trudeau

regime. So congratulations to him. May he live forever. I've seen some interesting memes on the internet related to that today. Yeah, I bet. And Kayla, when you met with a psychiatrist, did he or she have any, any concerns about moving towards maids where there was he or she running interference in any way or were they, were they part of the treatment team? Um, he was a really great guy.

Um, he just said like, you know, you're not crazy. You just, you know, you know, there's nothing like you don't need medications or anything like that. You just want you just want more care. And he said, and there are a lot of vaccine injuries. And he said that he wasn't really a big fan of the vaccine himself and that there were no, I wasn't alone. If I, if you know, in vaccine injuries that he'd seen quite a few, um, uh, people coming in with loved ones that had died of like myocarditis and things like that. And he shook my hand and he says, I think you were brave for coming in and just, you know, trying to get more help for yourself because I was like, I'm not going home. Like, you're going to keep me here until I go home and there's something more. And then, you know, my 21 hours a week got cut to five hours a week. And like, it's just, it's not enough.

I mean, if someone doesn't show up i can't roll over i can't turn myself in bed i can't do anything and it's very painful yeah they can't how does your skin not break down it does they they they they They make Kayla go crowdfund for a dignified existence. I mean, what more of a failure of government can you possibly imagine in real life? And that's if disability doesn't do it. And again, I'm wondering, I mean, there's two, you know, we're skating through multiple different landscapes here. One is obviously the medical assistance in dying, the issue of suicide, the issue of it being radical to suggest that young males may have more of a risk from the vaccine than from COVID itself.

I think that's pretty much borne out in the scientific literature now, why that's a radical thing to say. And on the heels of being so, obfuscating so severely the truth, now people aren't getting their, the kids aren't getting their measles vaccines. We're going to have major measles outbreak. We're going to have problems with not vaccinating because people are going against the system entirely. They can't trust anything. And we're going to end up with some big problems because of that. Viva, I'll give Kayla last words, but you're, well, it's everything. It seems like every bad idea did start in Canada these days. But Viva, I'll let you talk about finishing.

I'll have Kayla give final words, but I'll let you give the final sort of rundown on the legal case and uh the guy's doing god's work there on her behalf bottom line chic law.ca i'll be following it and i'll be covering it as soon as there are any updates in both sheila's case and dan hartman's case and everybody knows where to find me but if you could give to the give send go for sheila and times are hard for everybody if you if you can't afford to at the very least share it and spread the word of the story because this should be uh I mean one of many stains on the Trudeau regime's legacy on Canada and before I get to Kayla's last words anything coming up on

Viva and Barnes or if you have a fry show oh well yeah tomorrow I'll be live streaming the Fannie Willis I mean the distraction from the the live streaming the Fannie Willis. I mean, the distraction from the fun legal distractions, Fannie Willis, Nathan Wade, motion to disqualify out of the Fulton County, Georgia court, closing arguments tomorrow. So I'll be streaming that. And Sunday show coming up in usual, we'll be talking about this and other stuff as well.

And then Kayla, I want you to give whatever final word you'd like to give to the audience. I really just hope things can change. I hope that me stepping forward can change things in Canada or that people can hold our politicians more accountable for where we're spending our money. I mean, we're supposed to have this wonderful level of government and help health care.

And I hope that I hope that the crowdfunding can sort of give me somewhat of a life because it's not a it's not a productive, happy life to be the way I am right now with the very, very limited support that the government will give me. But I appreciate you guys having me on my show or on your show, sorry, not my show. I do want to also thank the Canadian Independent for getting my story out there in the beginning. And, you know, Veterans for Freedom stepped up to make that that's uh that um funding page for me and i know they're gonna do uh operation uh kayla or something or operation kayla or something like that there's gonna be a website or something so that it can be a little bigger because my medical needs are never gonna end end. And it's not all for me. It is a lifestyle is the word you used.

I've bristled at that. But it is a new way of living, quite literally. And you mentioned faith. We didn't dig into that very much. You mentioned it in passing at the early part of your comments. And I hope you can find faith in all this and maybe lean on the faith community a little bit as well. Yeah. I've,

I think I've had to figure out what my purpose in this is and what, I mean, I did not want to be a politician. I did not want to be all over the internet having my business exposed, but you know what? It was my son who said, mom, there might be someone out there that's like you who won't come forward or there might be someone who's really sad because they're quadriplegic and you know maybe you could help them and you know when it comes out of a nine-year-old's mouth it really puts it into perspective for you so um you know i really uh really took his advice, and that's why I came forward.

I think there's a perfect place to leave it. Caleb, thank you for joining us. Good luck. Viva, we'll check in with you. I don't know if I just... Someone froze there, Drew. Uh-oh. Well, Drew just froze there, apparently.

I wonder what's going on over there in Californiaifornia this is the producer caleb speaking here um he might pop back in any second now but i want to if he doesn't pop back in i'm going to thank you guys for coming on the show i'm going to see if i can figure out where drew is but thank you guys so much for coming on uh let's see if i thank you thank you guys so much. All right. Have a good one. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis, or treatment. This show is intended for educational and informational purposes only.

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