Ask Dr. Drew - mRNA vs Immunity: Dr. Astrid Lefringhausen on Risk Benefit Ratio of COVID Vaccines – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 200

Episode Date: April 1, 2023

“It is truly disturbing that treatments recommended by doctors in America, some of them having successfully treated COVID-19 patients, including very sick patients, have not been investigated in Australia,” says a paper co-authored by Dr. Astrid Lefringhausen. “Yet here in Australia the recommendation is to isolate and monitor yourself.” Dr. Astrid Lefringhausen is an Australian doctor with a PhD in Microbiology and Biochemistry and a Doctorate in Molecular Biology / Virology. She has decades of international industry experience in molecular biology, stem cell therapy, and immunology. 「 SPONSORED BY 」 • BIRCH GOLD - Don’t let your savings lose value. You can own physical gold and silver in a tax-sheltered retirement account, and Birch Gold will help you do it. Claim your free, no obligation info kit from Birch Gold at https://birchgold.com/drew • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get 10% off with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. Hundreds of millions of people have received a COVID-19 vaccine, and serious adverse reactions are uncommon. Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician and Dr. Kelly Victory is a board-certified emergency specialist. Portions of this program will examine countervailing views on important medical issues. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 ABOUT the SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 WITH DR. KELLY VICTORY 」 Dr. Kelly Victory MD is a board-certified trauma and emergency specialist with over 30 years of clinical experience. She served as CMO for Whole Health Management, delivering on-site healthcare services for Fortune 500 companies. She holds a BS from Duke University and her MD from the University of North Carolina. Follow her at https://earlycovidcare.org and https://twitter.com/DrKellyVictory. 「 GEAR PROVIDED BY 」 • BLUE MICS - Find your best sound at https://drdrew.com/blue • ELGATO - See how Elgato's lights transformed Dr. Drew's set: https://drdrew.com/sponsors/elgato/ 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 For over 30 years, Dr. Drew has answered questions and offered guidance to millions through popular shows like Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Dr. Drew On Call (HLN), Teen Mom OG (MTV), and the iconic radio show Loveline. Now, Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio. Watch all of Dr. Drew's latest shows at https://drdrew.tv Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

And welcome everybody, in keeping with my desire to get various opinions on the record here, to try to figure out, to approximate the truth, to ascend to the truth, as we say. Today we have Dr. Astrid Leffenhauser, Australian PhD in Microbiology, Biochemistry, Doctorate in Molecular Biology and Virology. Lots of experience in the international industries around molecular biology, stem cell therapies and immunology. She, with a cohort, put out an article that caught my attention. And she is on the record of saying it's really disturbing that we're not looking at some of the other treatments for

COVID that are being reported. And in Australia, there is mandates, and we're going to look at the justification for those mandates after this. Our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals, but just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time, educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want to help stop it. I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a And as always, we are out on Restream. We're watching the chat room there.

We're also out on the Twitter spaces as well as the Rumble Rants. I need to get you guys more active over there on the Rumble Rants. YouTube. Well, and of course, we're all the usual places. Yeah. We take, you know, on Twitter. If you're on Twitter, we won all the usual places yeah we take you know on twitter if you're on twitter you won't be able to we won't be able to see your comments but if you head over to youtube

we can see them or over to rumble on the restream yeah we don't see them they're they're i don't know why they stop allowing that interesting so yeah if you're shouting into the wind we i mean we'd have to look at a separate page or whatever. Okay, and let's talk a little about the schedule tomorrow. Dr. Scott Jensen in here early at 1230 Pacific Time, 330 Eastern with Kelly Victory. Yeah, RFK Jr. couldn't make it, so we are bringing in Scott Jensen, who has some great news.

We have Alex Berenson amazingly coming in, maybe in studio on Friday. He was interested. He's got to clean this place up. Has that been worked out? Is he actually coming in here? That's what he said. All right, so Alex Berenson.

Now I've got to organize and clean. If he doesn't show up, I'm going to be pissed off if I have to put any work into this. Alex Berenson in studio. And then on Monday, April 10th at 3 o'clock, Robert Kennedy. On Wednesday, April 5th at 3 o'clock, Dr. William Mackes. And then Tuesday, April 25th, Dr. Asim Malhotra, the cardiologist that's been in the news a bit. He's interesting.

He's the nicest guy in the world. He's been sort of weirdly controversial. And I don't know why you can disagree with him. And you should disagree with him if you, indeed you should, if you have differing opinion. But to sort of attack him as a person and sort of, again, this is like attacking Jay Bhattacharya for who he is. History will not be kind to you for that, it seems to me, humbly.

But today, as I said, we have Astrid Leffringhausen in here. She wrote an article that caught my attention, most particularly caught my attention in relation to the extremely rosy outlook that Vicki Mayle gave us with her research. And so, as always, I am trying to ascend to the truth here, trying to understand how there can be such dramatically different understanding of the literature out there and the data such as it is. So please welcome Dr. Leffringhausen. There you are. Welcome. Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure. Talk to people for a minute about what your training is and experience so they understand from whence you're making your evaluation. I started out with studies of biology in Germany and did my PhD also in biology.

And I was specializing in microbiology and biochemistry because I always felt that microbiology and molecular biology are very important and kind of the future. So I concentrated on viruses because that's another thing I always felt that viruses would possibly be the pathogens of the future and the pathogens that are most likely to cause major problems. So yeah, I did my PhD on viruses and particularly on genetic transfer using viruses from one cell to another. So I did molecular biology. I did gene transfer in my PhD work, and it was a three-year work in the lab followed by basically a write-up and a disputation. That's the way it used to be in Germany. Now, after that, I went and joined a biotech company in sales and very rapidly went on to become export manager in that company.

And I worked internationally across most of Asia and parts of Europe. And from then on, I looked at immunology as a promising, more interesting and new area and joined another biotech company after seven years with the first one that specialized on stem cell therapy, stem cell treatments. And in my new role, I was responsible for installation and training of clinical personnel in using stem cells for treating terminally ill cancer patients that had been given up by standard medicine because they were beyond help. And the stem cell treatment was basically their last resort. It was possible in some cases, especially for younger children, to give them at least a couple more years, if not heal them, depending on what the general, let's say, disposition of the patient was.

So I was working mostly in South America, Africa, and Eastern Europe. With that, I did installations trainings. I was in places like Kiev. I was in Kenya, Tanzania. I went to Argentina, Brazil, and other places and did my work there. And after a couple of years of that, I decided I wanted to move away from Germany because I felt living there was quite confining. And I decided to move to Australia with my then company.

And in 2006, I did move to Australia and kept working in the biotech industry. A couple of years later, I started moving over to diagnostics. So I worked for a diagnostic company for quite a while until COVID struck. And COVID basically caused me to lose my position at that company because they insisted on vaccine, on their vaccine mandates, which I didn't agree with. And in Australia, there's a law that your health records are a privacy thing. So you can't be forced to share your private health status with anybody.

And I decided to stay in that position and say, I will not do this. And that's cost me my job. I got a new job very quickly because I'm well connected in the industry, but it was a little bit of an eye opener and started me looking deeper into COVID and the COVID vaccines. And so as you put things together now, there were a lot of excesses during the COVID pandemic. A lot of it we were watching over here. It seemed like Australia was way over their skis in terms of a lot of the things they were attempting. What were some of the first things that jumped out at you? The first thing I think was in early 2020 that governments worldwide, governments that had absolutely nothing in common, communist governments, capitalist governments,

governments of all kinds did exactly the same. I thought that was absolutely weird. I've never seen anything like that before. And that made me think something is wrong here. In the beginning, I thought, to this day, I think, they knew something they didn't tell us. I didn't know what it was. I thought it might have been what I feel that it was a bioweapon that had escaped from the lab.

And they didn't want anybody to know because they didn't want to cause panic. And that's why this lockstep operation started. But that was actually the time I started looking into this and then following what they said was supposed to happen, this suppression of early treatment and then the all-hail vaccines that were supposed to come later that year. And being myself from the biotech industry and understanding and knowing genetic engineering and gene technology, I knew instantly that this was not vaccines, but this was genetic engineering they were attempting. And that was the point where I said, no, I'm not going to take any of these until at least five years have passed after full registration of these injections and i can see some long-term studies on side effects because no matter how much you you concentrate the the um uh the studies and and do things in parallel you will never be able to

see long-term side effects in a couple of months. It's just not possible. Right. I'm glad I'm speaking to a German speaker because I've coined the term. It seemed to me that the way the governments approach, at least our government, I think Australia as well, approach this pandemic was safety uberalis and then vaccine uber alice, right? I mean, those period end of story. And it was uber alice. That was it.

Nothing else to be contemplated. Anything that got in the way of that was to be destroyed. And that, to me, was where I thought things were odd. And I get doing the best you can to get to a vaccine. I get rushing a vaccine. But this thus saith the Lord over everything else was just terribly odd to me. Yes. It didn't seem to be logical because a safe vaccine takes a fair amount of years to develop. And logical would have been to start looking at

early treatment and try to help those patients as soon as possible with repurposed medicines that are available. And there were plenty of medicines available, drugs that people could have taken that would have helped them. It seemed to me that they were concentrating on very new, very expensive, and not very helpful medications. Do you still think that this might have been a bioweapon that they were hiding from us? Because it seems impossible to me that they could keep something like that secret. Well, like I said, it's a personal opinion. I don't know. I'm not an insider in that area.

I think I'm not even sure anymore if there actually was anything like a pandemic because there are so many viruses out there that magically disappeared in 2020, like the flu virus. And there was no common cold anymore. And everything was basically labeled COVID. I don't know. I think there might have been a bioweapon, a virus that was engineered because there are some features of the sequence that published the furin cleavage site and some other things that are definitely not natural that have never been found in any coronavirus before. But if this virus actually caused this disease, I don't know really. I think that it might have, but it certainly looks to me like the reaction was out of proportion.

Right. And so one of the reasons that I asked you in here is, again, I'm trying to get varying opinions on vaccine safety. I spoke to Vicki Mayle, maybe it's two weeks ago now, and she gave a rather dire assessment of COVID during pregnancy. My concern about her analysis there was that she was mostly looking at alpha and delta, though she has tried to say that Omicron is equally as problematic, which it just isn't. That just doesn't pass the sort of clinical things we're seeing. By the same token, she gave the rosiest of pictures about

the vaccine, which also, again, I'm not saying it's, I'm not taking a position that it's very dangerous. I'm saying to have such a rosy projection where there are zero vaccine injuries, no vaccine injuries, that doesn't pass the sniff test either so where do you come in on risk benefit that's all i'm trying to figure out i i'm i'm convinced there's a risk benefit over the age of 65 i'm trying to figure out in younger people i'm trying to figure out in pregnancy where you come in on all this um i i think actually actually i have to to wait and see because at the moment we are still in early stages. I mean, the long-term effects will be visible for younger people in particular will be visible in the next couple of years. It looks to me at the moment that for people under 65, it is quite risky.

I mean, it looks anywhere between 1 in 1,000 to 1 in 100. There are some data coming out of Germany and other places that look pretty dire. But there seems to also be a difference in the lot numbers, depending on which vaccine you got. Some people were unlucky and got one of the so-called hot or bad lots. And there you have a very, very high rate of injury. And other people seem to have absolutely no side effects. So it's very difficult. What I can say is it looks like there is no consistency in production. And that alone is dangerous.

There are lots of people who have found big particles in those vaccine vials that should not be least and people should assess the safety, properly assess the safety of the vaccines. Because I don't think this has been done by any regulator worldwide. It doesn't look like they did. They simply took the word of the producing pharma companies and just applied their mandates and asked people to get vaccinated

and most people went along with it so uh and like because it is a genetic vaccine it's not something that is is a proper vaccine it's like a particle let's say a protein a pathogen or part of a pathogen that's given to in a certain amount to the person that's supposed to be vaccinated, and they have an immune reaction. What happens here is they're giving the genetic information for producing the spike protein, which is supposed to be the vaccine, the antigen that's activating the immune system to produce antibodies. But because it's given in unknown quantities and we don't know exactly where in the body of the vaccine it goes, it's impossible to predict what the reaction will be.

People, especially if you're elderly, it might not go very far and it might not have much of an impact. But my elderly father, for example, who will be 90 this year, had following the vaccination first a turbo cancer and then a heart attack that required a sixth stent. He had no heart disease before. So even in elderly people, depending on who you are, you could have severe side effects. And I have lots of side effects in my family. I've seen all of these pretty much directly after the vaccine. For example, my stepdaughter died a couple of months after the second shot. So there is something there. And yeah, there's something

there. And it's impossible to say it's really bad for everybody, because some people don't seem to have any effects, but it's not safe. I can't say it's safe. And I'm noticing in the UK and Australia, there seems to be some willingness to sort of start to look at things. Am I seeing that in your parliament, that they're starting to ask questions? Is that going anywhere? There are a couple of politicians that are definitely looking at this. The majority of the politicians and the Labour Party, which is essentially in power at the moment,

is not interested. So if you have any of these politicians doing a talk in the Senate or in the Parliament, you can see that the seats are empty, nobody's listening. They don't want to see um if this will go anywhere if the pressure mounts maybe but at the moment it looks like uh we are basically having an uphill battle with this are they continuing to mandate boosters no. I mean, they are strongly recommending. I think they stopped even for healthcare workers. Healthcare workers were the first to be mandated and people who are in care homes, for example, and they are still pushing the jabs for healthcare workers and care homes, but it's not mandated anymore. So this is now regarded as your choice, but the people in the care homes, I think there's very little choice for them because what it means, in most cases when they don't get jabbed, it means they are excluded from all social activities. And that is for an elderly person who lives alone in a care

home, horrible. It's really terrible. And you wrote a review article with Connie Turney. What did you learn as a result of that review? Well, we looked at over a thousand publications of the previous years on side effects of the jabs. And we went through the possible outcomes and essentially made a list of what the side effects were, and it was a huge list.

There were a lot of neurological and neurodegenerative disorders connected to the jabs, a lot of, of course, myocarditis and pericarditis, so diseases of the heart and the vascular system. And in general, neurological disorders were really quite widespread. And we covered all of that, so we basically tried to sum up what we found in those articles in in this and our review and also added a little bit on the australian view on this because we had been waiting both of us had been waiting for a couple of years then by that time for any kind of Australian publication on the vaccines

and nothing had come. So we decided we have to do it. Somebody has to start with this. But yeah, so it didn't look very good. Yeah, go on. Finish that thought. I'm sorry. You go ahead.

Yes. It didn't look very good for the shots. And it looked like, again, effectivity was not there because it looked that like the people who got vaccinated and injected did not have any protection against COVID. And there was certainly a certain amount of side effects that was connected to the shots. So the reasoning for mandating or pushing the shots was, in our opinion, just not there. How do you understand the data that comes out so very different from the data that you

propose? In other words, again, I'm referencing our guest, Vicky Mail, who had this remarkably rosy data about the vaccine, and they weren't lying. How do we get such vastly different interpretations? Well, it depends which kind of publications, which kind of data you look at. There have been a lot of positive articles about the vaccines and quite a few negative ones. The negative ones had severe issues getting published early on. It's now changing.

So now even critical articles get published even in good quality papers. In the earlier days, last year, for example, it was impossible to get to a paper like The Lancet or the England Journal of Medicine and get something that was not glowing reference for the COVID vaccine, get that published. It was not possible. Nowadays, it's a little bit different. There's more than enough papers out there. So, yeah, it depends what you reference. And it is, if you're looking at only, for example, the summaries, that's another thing. A lot of the papers that have been published might have been slightly critical.

And if you look at the individual data inside, you see that there's some really negative stuff in there. But as long as they start with a positive sort of summary in the beginning and a positive conclusion at the end, it gets published because very few people read the stuff in the middle. Yeah, I did notice that. There is data and then the conclusion doesn't coincide with what I was thinking as I'm reading through the article. It's like, did you have to go there? I guess they do have to go there to get published, which is interesting.

But, well, listen, let's see, Dr. Campbell seemed particularly upset and app Pfizer submitted for, I think it was mostly for the boosters. And it was based on, I think, a couple of rats or mice. There was no study on humans. It was maybe three or six mice. The data showed also there was also some biodistribution data, again, in rodents, but it showed clearly that the nanoparticles distributed all over the body. And in some areas, like the adrenal glands, for example, which are very important because they are part of the hormone system. They're accumulated there.

They're accumulated big time in the ovaries. Let me ask this. Let me ask this. Does the fact that the LNPs migrate everywhere, which of course they had to. I mean, how could it be otherwise, right? These are lipid particles. They fly around. Is that a marker for the mRNA following suit going along with the LNPs?

Can we say that necessarily? The LNPs are virtually the vehicle for the mRNA. So if you're looking at the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, they are basically fat. The LNPs are the so-called fat micelles. They are fat globules that contain the mRNA. And where they go, they transport the mRNA. The point is the mRNA inside is protected because our body regards RNA as the major enemy because RNA usually free RNA means for our system viruses attack from outside. So our system, our saliva, our skin is full of RNAs, enzymes that

attack and destroy RNA. So that to get RNA into our cells, they had to be protected. And that's what the liquid nanoparticles are for. Looking at little blobs of fat, which contain the mRNA inside, they get injected and then they distribute throughout the body. And wherever they make contact with the cell, it's a little bit like, you want to imagine, if you think about, let's say a soup with some fat blobs on top, like a chicken soup, the fat blobs make contact, and after a while, it goes blob, and they actually, where there were two small fat blobs, there's one big fat blob.

That's exactly what happens with those nanoparticles when they sit long enough next to a cell, because the cell membrane is also nothing but fat. It's cholesterol and lipids. So the liquid nanoparticles contact this, then they basically become part of the cell membrane, and as part of this process, the mRNA gets into the cell. The process is called transfection, so you have now the foreign mRNA inside the cell,

and it can now be translated into spike protein by your own cell so your own cell it's not as though yes and it's not as though the lnps somehow become exocytotic or something or they fuse early and then are discharged later without the mrna i mean, in other words, do we have to prove that the mRNA is there with the LNPs? Well, the process is not very well defined. It's a very difficult thing to actually pack mRNA into these liquid nanoparticles. As far as I understand, I'm not involved in this process.

What they have to do is they mix the components, these fat components in a watery solution with the mRNA, which is, of course, containing some nucleotides that are changed, like pseudouracil instead of uracil, which makes it much, much more stable. And when they form the so-called micelles, the globules, to a certain degree, they will just incorporate mRNA because it's in the watery solution. So it's very hard. You can't predict exactly how big or small those globules are and how much RNA they contain. You can only go for an average. So the other problem is if you do this in a very, very big container,

everybody knows if you have fat in water, the fat swims to the surface. So depending on how fast they are with then filling vaccine vials or so, it's entirely possible that if it takes, let's say, 20, 30 minutes to start filling, they're usually filling from the bottom. So they're actually having the vaccine, the vials, moving underneath the vat where you have this mix. And because the fat, the nanoparticles containing the RNA swim to the surface or so, the first, let's say, 1,000 vials or so might contain only water, nothing else. And the last 1,000 vials contain huge amounts of these nanoparticles and mRNAs. We don't know that. So that's another thing. That's the production

process, which is not defined. And we don't exactly know how they do this and how they make sure that this is done properly. We just know you cannot start mixing the entire thing once you have these micelles formed because it would destroy them. So there are a lot of technical difficulties. Yeah, we were hearing this last week from another source that there's great concerns about these large vats of vaccine that are then parsed out and how do they make sure that there's the same amount. And it's clear there is not based on previous studies but i i really i appreciate your article caught my eye and i just wanted to get you in here and have a chance to talk to you and hear what you had to say about these things i appreciate

you coming in today is there anything we should uh get to before i let you go anything i missed um no not really i think um it's it's really an honor to be here. I'm glad we have a chance to actually say something for Australia. And I just hope that people have a chance to start looking more in detail in the vaccines and start figuring out what actually happened, what went wrong. And maybe if it's even necessary to keep on vaccinating people, because I feel that we might actually have a look at this. And I think most importantly, maybe make some changes to somehow at least put a little brakes on the excesses of this last experience. I mean, the excesses are so profound and so disturbing that I don't know how we can look away. And as you said, it was strangely the entire world took it on in ways that are just hard to understand.

But Dr. Astrid Leffringhauser, you said you're not on social media. Is there a website you'd like us to send people to? Well, I mean, I'm associated with Citizens Health Defenseralia so i'm on the board of directors there so that might be uh interesting so the children's health defense is is doing a lot of work i mean in america of course with robert kennedy jr but we are in the process of of setting up the australian chapter and that might be a website if anybody is interested in more, they're working on this right now,

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We'll find somebody better. Tell him he needs to Zoom in. That would be appropriate, it seems to me. I mean, that would be appropriate it seems to me just i mean that would be a place to stop right kayla don't you think yeah yeah exactly yeah i mean you can do that and just take the first half of a show and just come on we also have dr scott jensen exactly which is going to be very interesting yes yeah it will be interesting we had him a couple times before and he was always you know what the good news is i don't have to clean the studio now maybe susan sabotaged this one yeah i think he heard you talking no i didn't i didn't so so here we are now where we are having all these differing opinions about the vaccine and vaccine safety and

it feels to me like everybody has excess built into their data somehow. I am not yet ready to say that what Ed Dowd is finding is all the result of vaccine. I'm not prepared to say that. I saw some data today that showed that influenza and pneumonia deaths are way up. I don't understand why that would suddenly be happening. I have no doubt that COVID has had some effect on people's long-term health, and I have no doubt that the vaccine has had some effect on people's long-term health. What I don't understand is why at least one government on this planet is not looking at these excess deaths as an emergency, as something that really needs to be answered. In the meantime, there's a lot of data coming through that I have seen that suggests that a significant percentage, and as some of these articles attempt to make the case,

all of the excess deaths are somehow related to residual effects of COVID. Doesn't fit my clinical experience. It just doesn't. So why would it clinically not look like that? By the same token, as I said earlier, Vicki Mayle's data on pregnancy and vaccination was so rosy, there was no serious vaccine reactions. If you remember, she only was willing to admit to sort of local inflammation and fevers and all the things that everybody gets from the vaccine, most people get from the vaccine. I'm not worried about that. I'm worried about the significant effects that it's affecting. And I've seen quite a bit of cardiac effect, and it's quite a bit of this, what we used to call neurasthenia, this sort of wasting and fatigue and shortness of breath.

I've seen quite a bit of that. And so whenever the data doesn't reflect, reflects none of that, I'm questioning the data significantly. I don't buy the data. So still, something, it doesn't pass the sniff test. I think we're going to find that most people are not taking further boostering. And so it becomes sort of a moot point at this moment, except for pregnant women, where the American College of Obstetric and Gynecology pushing very hard that they should get the vaccine because of fear of COVID during pregnancy.

Again, most of the fear is a result of alpha and delta. I also see fear of COVID in children, and yet the potential fatality right there is so low, not seeing a lot of vaccine reactions in little kids. But then again, as Dr. Lefflerhauser just pointed out, we don't know the long-term effects. And I saw a really interesting tweet today where it was a picture of essentially an inflamed lung.

It looked like sort of a white out of the lung. And if you don't look closely, the caption was, this is the leading cause of death in children. I'm looking at it. And if you don't look carefully, you'll miss that there's a bullet in that six-year-old's chest. And indeed, violence of all kinds is the leading cause of death in children. And it's not going to be enough to control guns. That is not the whole story. Certainly the ubiquity of guns, and I don't know how you pull that back into the, you know, get that genie back in the bottle because the guns are just everywhere already.

So it seems to me we need to begin solving problems about what it is to live amongst a lot of firearms uh as i said i'm taking questions i'm going to go to your questions here on the twitter spaces there's lots of hands up and i will just go right down the line here and uh see what you guys questions this is open slay open slay hey drew hey there you know uh and hey caleb and susan it's lovely to talk to you all open slate. Hey, Drew. Hey there. You know, and hey, Caleb and Susan, it's lovely to talk to you all. Drew, I just wanted to come up and say, I was on here with you months ago.

It might've even been late last year. And I had asked you to look deeper and to not be afraid and to ask questions and push back against the suppression of information that we were facing last year. And I just want to say, thank you. You're doing it, bro. You're killing it.

You're doing it. And I can't be more proud to just be here and see you ask these questions and get the answers that we want. And that's all. I love you all. Thank you. Thank you, my friend. What's your name?

I love you more. Oh, is he gone? You're not going to tell us your name before you go? Unmute. Oh, he's gone. He's our goner. That was sweet. That was great.

Oh, missed it. I'm sorry, my friend. But, you know, as it pertains to that, we have learned so much incredible stuff about where lockdowns came from and who the uh what was the i saw another article i saw a really good review article on lockdowns that went beyond what michael singer was showing us so there's again each there's lots of tributary stories but fundamentally we learned that lockdowns were a political maneuver by the Chinese Communist Party, that they had a graph. If you put up Michael Singer's book there on the front page of his book, Snake Oil Science or something, I think it's called. Snake Oil. Snake Oil. You will see the

graph goes up and then goes flat at the moment they put the lockdowns in place, which is, of course, total bullshit. So you see the yellow line there? That's the actual published graph that the Chinese Communist Party put out indicating the success they were having in controlling COVID and preventing it from going all over the country, which, of course, it did. Yes, the yellow line is their graph. That graph is so laughably apocryphal, I don't have strong enough language to describe it. And the fact that our scientists contemplated that that was truth, it's hard to imagine.

But there was a lot of going back and forth. We've also learned that there was an industry of pandemic preparedness, that there were professionals trained and ready, the gunslingers waiting to pull their guns out in a firearm, waiting to have that battle, waiting to, they knew the pandemic was coming and they knew what they had to do. When you're a hammer, everybody, the whole world is a nail. And those hammers started nailing like crazy in response to that data from China. Even then, though, the idea of complete and total lockdowns had not quite yet fully been contemplated. They'd been exercised, they'd been thought about, there were advocates,

but it wasn't until Lombardi, Italy Italy and the various political leaders there put complete lockdown in place. And as we have learned from Michael Singer and I've seen elsewhere quoted, one of those political leaders in particular did not really look at this as an opportunity to squash COVID so much as an opportunity as a sinophile, as an enthusiast for President Xi and the Chinese Communist Party, it was an opportunity to get one step closer to showing what a totalitarian intervention would look like. He wrote a book about it. When it clearly failed, that book was taken off the shelves. But in that book, he didn't mention, again, Michael Sanger has read this book, I have not, he did not mention controlling COVID. He mentioned the political impact of being able to totally shut down a society. And when Lombardi Italy shut down, other countries followed suit out of some sort of complete and total panic. But remember, keep the pandemic preparedness in your mind.

This is what we've learned. This is what we've learned. This was the extraordinary experience we had. Then in this country, we saw sort of the overlay of Trump derangement. You have the president of the United States saying, oh, that's kind of cool. Maybe we don't want to lock down quite so much. And then boom, California, other blue country states go triple down on lockdown and start closing schools. When Dr. Fauci says, I didn't close any schools, he didn't close any schools. I did a nightly television program here locally in Los Angeles for about a year, where we reported on what was going on with COVID. And when those school board members decided to close the school down, which was probably two weeks into our program,

and about 10 days after the lockdown, school board member came in and I said, who are you consulting? Why did you decide to do this? What infectious disease expert told you to do this? No one told us to do it. It's just the right thing to do. And then they couldn't get them opened again.

Genius, genius. I always like to point out to everybody this is uh mimi uh to everyone that if you want to know how outrageous it is that our kids in in los angeles county in particular stayed away from school for two years i always point to the ukrainian women crossing the border into poland sus Susan's laughing. I know, the story again. But it's my favorite story. The news reporters are throwing microphones in these women's faces. What's it like? What's it like?

Well, of course, they first say our sons and husbands are back fighting. It's terrible. This is unbelievable. Our lives are upside down. And then the next words out of their mouth, every single woman, our kids have been out of school for two weeks. Two weeks! We have to get them back in school. It's been two weeks. You've got to be kidding. Now they have to do it in Poland. In Polish! They sent them back into school with a language

they didn't even speak. That was the urgency that two weeks away from school meant to a European mother. I also want to give a little credit to Drew's change of mind and opening up his mind to a lot of things due to the fact that Kelly Victory, Dr. Kelly Victory has been

behind the scenes for a long time because she was muted on Twitter and YouTube and Facebook and stuff like that. But she came out and got, she had a lot of people come on that really had some details that Drew listened to. So not only the Chinese problem of, you know, that he had a really hard time understanding,

but he came around. I always knew it was a communist plot. I feel as though, you know, guys like Robert Kennedy came in with all kinds of stuff. And I listened respectfully, but I will only take away very small bits. And what I took away from my last experience with Mr. Kennedy was that he's a lawyer making a case. And so everything, he's- And he's also trying to help people. He's another hammer for which the whole world is a nail. I get it. He's making a case.

But I took away from that conversation the sense of the coziness between the regulators and the drug companies, which I did not know. I didn't know how cozy that was. And that was interesting to learn that. So what were you saying, Susan? I'm sorry. Well, I appreciate that you were willing to listen to these other sides. Because I don't know why we were never canceled on Twitter. Because I guess we just sort of had to walk the line.

I am literally trying not to go too far one way or the other. I'm actively trying. Because when the data and the opinions are so divergent, truth probably isn't going to be all one way or the other, right? I mean, think about it. It's probably going to be all one way or the other, right? I mean, think about it. It's probably going to be somewhere in the middle. It's going to go one way or the other a little bit for sure. But I'm waiting, waiting. We still aren't allowed to ask questions. What happened to DeMar Hanlon? What happened to him? What was that? And why can't we ask about that? What was that?

Until we can understand what that was, people are covering things. Yeah, I hate that. And by the way, as I've said repeatedly, I'm completely prepared to understand that that was a post-COVID or a post-COVID plus vaccine or a vaccine reaction. Any of the three, I am wide open to. At the time he went down, I was thinking more about post-COVID type reactions, but there is one diagnosis. Have I said this publicly? Have I said this? I better say this just so I'm on the record with it. There's one diagnosis that would explain everything that is simply not post-COVID. And here's the data. He stands up after the tackle. With commotio, you don't stand

up afterwards. You go flaccid immediately. And not only that, but commotio doesn't happen in a football player, and it rarely happens in adults. It usually happens in pre-adolescent males from a projectile, like a hockey puck, an elbow, or a baseball. So already we were in weird territory. But then the fact that he stood up, took a couple of steps, and fell down, that doesn't happen with commotions. So it's something else. And he has no pulse immediately. Well, what kinds of things do that? Well, only a few things do it. Most of them are cardiac. And when the cart is restarted again, people usually kind of come around. Now, they can have a shock lung, right? So they need to be ventilated, and they can

have neurological effects, and they can be a while before they're breathing normally on their own. But in DeMar's case, he arrested again in the ER. That's weird, unless he also had a heart attack or some heart injury from having been without a pulse, but they were on him pretty quickly. So why would that happen? Then he recovered neurologically ahead of his pulmonary improvement. There were reports, again, I wasn't there, but the reports were he was awake and communicating on a ventilator. That's the opposite of the direction it normally occurs. So what things would cause sudden no pulse, rearrest in the ER, and the pulmonary status to lag behind neurological would be a pulmonary embolus.

And a pulmonary embolus happens during acute COVID, which he did not have, and it has been alleged to occur related with the vaccine. So my suspicion is the only possible diagnosis that they would be motivated to hide, because everything else could be post-COVID, but why are they hiding it? I'm just going to conclude it must have been a pulmonary embolus,

and they're not willing to tell us about that, which to me is, listen, you as the public should be outraged. And I mean outrage and beyond outrage that anybody who's representing you or giving you information or is an elected official feels like you can't handle the truth, you should be beside yourself with anger. You can't handle the truth. They don't have faith in your ability to handle the truth or to handle information as it comes in. That is disgusting, personally. I believe my entire career that people can process things, learn things, try to understand things, find sources that you can handle it or that you shouldn't handle it or that it's too much for you to incorporate into your thinking or that will cause you to go into some other kind of misinformed kind of state. Sunlight and truth and information, in my experience, has never done

that to people. Never. And I've worked in a psychiatric hospital for 30 years. Information helped clear people's sense of paranoia, not added to it. So where are they getting these ideas that you can't handle the truth? I don't know. I don't know because it flies in the face of how I have experienced how humans work and what they do with information. Mimi, unmute yourself there. Let's get to it. Okay, thank you. And thank you for letting me speak in your space because I'm pissed off.

I'm a military brat. And I just want to give a smidge on how I grew up. I'm a military brat, so I was raised on a military base. And I remember all of us kids and we had the ice cream truck, but we did have a truck that was coming out there spring and we would run around and it was good times. We would be able to play as long as the, I guess I would say when streetlights come on, you bring your butt back home and play in front of the house. That was the good, the good, the good, the good. I am a 70s.

I guess I can say I'm a Z. I guess that's what it is. I'm damn near 50 years old. But anyways, times have changed. Yes, they do. I came in your space earlier, Drew, you know me, and I came in, I was talking about chickenpox. And I'm like, well, dang, you know, and I had that debate and I'm like, oh, after that point, I've never took the flu shot. I didn't have to do that. But I believe like when we get certain, I would say viruses or diseases, the immune system is supposed to build up. And that's the white blood cells. The white blood

cells is supposed to kill everything that's in the red because the red is always the highest in the human body. Am I correct, Drew? You have white blood cells, a very complicated system of various lymphocytes and neutrophils and macrophages and other things. And they transform and they build, you know, they become plasma cells and plasma sites and push out the immune system. They push out the antibodies. It's a very, very complicated system. And it's more, I mean, red cells, yeah. I mean, red cells are, there are definitely more red cells than white cells, and they're responsible for delivering oxygen. So it's a different function entirely.

But it is the case. I mean, I'm sympathetic. Let me just put it this way. If I was hearing you speak a couple of years ago, I would have been like, no, no, no. Listen, vaccine, just take the vaccine. It's so silly. I've said repeatedly that there are not enough vaccines on earth for my family.

I get them vaccinated, everything, everything, everything, everything. And I've fought for vaccines and I've fought for the HPV vaccine. But you know what? I'm fighting harder now. Hang on, hang on though. I'm fighting harder now for individuals to be able to be in control of their own bodies and their own medical decisions. That to me is more important than anything else right now. So Mimi, I totally respect. And if I were your doctor, we would make our decisions together. I would do my best to

persuade you to my point of view but my priority would be to to deliver medical care to your satisfaction based on your wishes that is the priority and and i've learned that through this pandemic okay okay all righty okay thank you my dear God bless you I like that olden days Being natural and normal Well look I love that HPV vaccine You know a vaccine that prevents cancer

And you can argue with me all day But whether you think it does or it does not Believe me it does Not perfectly but it does I still does not. Believe me, it does. Not perfectly, but it does. I still get checked for HPV for some reason. I don't know why. You didn't have the vaccine. The vaccine wasn't around.

But, you know. That's what I'm saying. It's weird, though, but I don't have it. It could be. Now you've heard all about it. Can I get it from, I'd have to have a different partner, right? It could be. Well, there's that.

Is there something you want to tell me? No. And what happens is the genetics gets incorporated, and you've heard now about genetics all these last few weeks. The HPV can get incorporated into the cells in the endocervix and over time produce a cancer. Yeah, but if I never had it, why do they keep checking me for it? Because it could be hiding there, essentially,

the way they think about it. At my age? It would have come out by now. Nope. Well, yes and no. I mean, yes and no. I mean, I don't care. They can check for me. I don't give a shit. Alright, so let's keep going. But I just wondered why they did. We have lots of questions here. I'm going to try to get to everybody, and people

we haven't had before. Okay, this is Coach. We'll get Coach questions here. I'm going to try to get to everybody and people we haven't had before. Uh, okay. This is coach. We'll get coach up here. Um, I'm trying to get to you guys. I can't, I'm sorry. Coach, your hand is up. I know you got to just unmute yourself. So you got to do, there you are. Okay. Hey, you was uh talking about uh hamlin earlier um i'm actually i'm in a hospital now i have lupus 21 years here boy and no that's rough 21 years going strong but um with hamlin is it possible that it was uh ventricular tachycardia that did that to him, like a pulseless one?

It could have been a rapid rhythm. It could have been a ventricular fibrillation, or it could have been a rapid rhythm, either ventricular or superventricular, that was so fast there was no pulse, which, by the way, I've seen a bunch of that from the vaccine. Now, I've also seen stuff like that from COVID, but that wouldn't have caused him to re-arrest in the ER, and it would not have caused his lungs to lag behind his neurological improvement.

Those are the two things that were odd. Now, there may be explanations for that, but those two things are very odd for a primary cardiac arrhythmia. Usually, an arrhythmia like that, you hit it, you electrocute. Either ventricular or supraventricular. You hit it with electricity, people come right back. Boom, they're back. Right.

And they don't re-arrest typically unless there was also a heart attack or whatever was causing the arrhythmia is still there. And what kinds of things could cause arrhythmia? Well, myocarditis, but we haven't heard about whether he had myocarditis. And it doesn't look like he had that. I mean, I don't know. I mean, we aren't hearing about him being on – we aren't hearing a lot of things. There may be many other explanations.

I'm totally with you. But why would they – they wouldn't hide that because that could easily have been a post-COVID phenomenon, right? Right. Yeah. Because I've had it, because I have super SVT, and I've had two ablations. My resting heart rate would hit like 300, and it's been much better now since the second ablation. Is that from your lupus or is that from COVID? What was that from?

No, we don't. And that's the sad thing about having lupus because no matter what happens to us, it's going to always be the lupus. It can always be the lupus, right? Did you have to take cytotoxic drugs or are you being controlled on the milder stuff? Now I'm just on metotopril. No, no. No, I mean for your lupus. Oh, my lupus.

I'm on hydroxychloroquine. Yeah. That's what I use for lupus. Isn't it weird? We've got to put up the banner, Caleb. Yeah. I know. We're not allowed to say that word on YouTube.

The H word. You said that word on YouTube. The H word. But isn't it interesting that here's a drug that you've been on for years, I've prescribed for years, that has all this weird connotation to it now. Isn't that weird? Yeah, and I've been in the hospital and I have blood clot, which, you know, and it's crazy because the doctor comes in and, you know, we don't have to wear masks in the hospital or in doctor's appointments or anything anymore and he's coughing up a lung and i'm

sitting there just like you know and yeah and he's like um telling me that one of my doctors passed away my neurologist oh my god and yeah and i was like what and he goes and the crazy thing about it and he winks at me he he's like, they don't know why. Oh, boy. Well, Joyce, right? Is that your name? Yes. Joyce.

Joyce, I appreciate you calling Get Well. It sounds like your lupus is kind of in hand. And, you know, there's kinds of lupus and there's lupus, right? There's people that really get nailed in their 20s. And then there are people like you that kind of trundle along pretty good. So hopefully it's going to. Well, yeah, I'm on 21 years this month. Good for you.

My 21st year. It's a big deal. It's a big deal. You're good? Yeah, I was having a good day. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a key thing. Well, one time they failed.

I was in the hospital for three months with bacterial meningitis. Different problem. That's not the lupus, by the way. For a change, that's not the lupus. But damn, Joyce. Joyce, enough with the medical system. Damn. Enough.

Woo. SVT of 300, meningeal sepsis, lupus. That is enough, my dear. You need a break. I've had so much adenosine, I can't even tell you. That stuff scares the crap out of me. The adenosine. Yeah, even tell you that stuff is a scares the crap out of the adenosine yeah that's to break the sgt well i'm sorry i've been going through all this but damn

that is interesting sorry about your doctor yeah exactly uh this is canuckle let's see what that's all about whenever there's yes your hands up i see you and you're up and all you gotta do is unmute your mic there you are dr drew thank you, and you're up, and all you got to do is unmute your mic. There you are. Dr. Drew, thank you so much for hosting here today. And I had a question for your guest, but I think she's off the line now. Is that correct? Yes. Maybe I can try to channel her.

I'll speak to a different question that I have, and it's probably more important and prescient to the current concerns. But have you followed the work of Kevin McKernan and his recent investigation on the mRNA vaccine vials? I believe, you know, the name sounds very familiar, and I am familiar with the vial-by-vial variability. I'm familiar with that. Yeah, he's just, I mean, maybe that's an important thing. The amount of process contamination that they're seeing, and not just the vials, but the bivalence, which are three or four months old. These are things where if there was process contamination issues in 2021, maybe they could have got a hall pass because it was an emergency. But there's no excuse right now for that. And when they're looking at DNA plasmid contamination, that's over 100 times the allowable amount. And those are EMA amounts. I don't know what is in the U.S. or in Canada where I'm at, but one analysis found 30% of these bivalent vials was off-target process contamination.

Yeah, I know. Who did we talk to last week that reported on all this? We had somebody come in here, an immunologist. Susan, help me. It was like maybe Friday. Was it Sasha? It was Sasha. Sasha Latapova, I think she was reporting.

And yeah, and that may end up being the story, right? That might be the reason that so many people are having adverse reactions and other people are having none, which is what Dr. Leffringhauser was just bringing up. Thank you, my friend. I've got to keep moving because there's so many people that want to come up here. I want to give everybody a chance. This is Health Uncensored. If you are up, there you are. Hi, Dr. Drew. Thanks for having me on. You betcha. My question is kind of indirectly related to vaccines, but more overall health. I kind of preface it with some quick information. In the late 18th century, healthy

resting body temperature for humans was established at 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit. And that was held as fact throughout the 19th century by everyone in the medical industry, 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit was healthy resting body temperature. Um, it was kind of said that if your body temperature was lower than 98.6 degrees, it was reserved for the elderly and the chronically ill. Um, over the past 30 years, 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit is no longer the average. We're cooling down as a society, collectively speaking. At the same time that our body temperatures are coming down, the rates of various chronic illnesses are coming up. We're also experiencing widespread endocrine problems. In the United States, men's testosterone levels are currently at their lowest in recorded

history. That just by itself, by the way, could account for the temperature change, but go ahead. Okay. I'm just curious your opinion. I mean, I know there's no way to give a clear-cut answer, but I'm curious your opinion overall on what's happening to us as a species. Our body temperatures are coming down. Chronic illness is becoming commonplace. It's being normalized in the media and TV and movies. You know, as a well-respected physician and doctor, what's your personal opinion on all this? Well, I still don't think we have enough information to know exactly what this is.

In fact, I don't know. When people talk about chronic illnesses, I'm never entirely sure what they're talking about. I think it's really easy to point at. I mean, I've been dealing with chronic illnesses my entire career. That's mostly what you deal with in general medicine. But it's clear that our diet and our body weight and our lack of physical activity, all these things are definitely impacting on what's going on here. Whether or not people are living, let's say, longer than they would have otherwise, and that's why they're then developing chronic disease, I don't know.

I don't know the answer to that. But yeah, we're not doing a great job. More concerning to me, frankly, is the massive drop in the expected life expectancy in the United States relative to other countries. I don't know if you've seen that data, but our life expectancy dropped dramatically in the last two years, and it has continued down. So it is not just COVID. So the question becomes, and by the way, you mentioned chronic illnesses. How about chronic psychiatric illnesses? If you want to know what's more common than anything else, psychopathology

is the most common medical problem we see today. Every psychiatrist and psychologist I know, their schedules are overwhelmed. You need to look further than the street. Look out your window, and you'll see people with chronic psychiatric illness. And that is the underlying reason for those conditions that then become medical and life-threatening. So it's complicated.

I would say that more than anything else, we've created a system where people that could be helped are not allowed to be helped for various reasons. And that, I think, is the biggest problem. You're either prevented from helping somebody because the laws won't allow you to intervene on somebody who needs help, or the system is so incredibly complex and cumbersome that people that want help can't find it. So I got a suspicion it's more in that zone merely because, I mean, you can look at our body habitus and know that we're not in great shape nutritionally. But beyond that, it is more in the zone of caring for people, getting access, or being able to treat people who need it or die because of the results of not getting the care they need. Okay. What?

That was a long explanation. Okay. Boring, you mean? I don't know. Usually she means boring. No, no. That's usually what you mean. Let's get.

So Alex Berenson is on for Friday via Zoom. There we go. Well done. We both win. I don't have to clean. That's right. That's right. He doesn't have to stay the full hour.

Just half hour is fine even. Charles, you're a speaker. Just unmute yourself there. Let's see what you got. There you are. Oh, just unmute yourself there. Let's see what you got. There you are. Oh, hello. Hey there.

Yeah, two points. The body temperature, I think some of that has to do with the onset of use of antibiotics. If you look at the studies that have been done on average body temperature. So is that more about gut health? More about what's going on in the? Well, it's just, no, it's just, I think that there were some people that had chronic infections, chronic sinusitis,

chronic this, chronic that. And then when they started the antibiotics, that all went out the window and the temperature dropped. And the second point I want to make is I think that the variation in complications with different lot numbers is a critical point. I have heard this from multiple different people. I only have sort of a nodding

knowledge of the actual where they got the data and whatnot. I would like to see what somebody like Vicki Mayo or Debunk the Funk has to say about this, because if they can't come up with something pretty good for me, the conversation about the vaccine is over. And Charles, you know, what's interesting is, you know, from a standpoint of sort of Occam's razor or law of parsimony, it would kind of be the simplest explanation, wouldn't it? It'd be really a simple way of saying, why are some people having all these complications and some people nothing? That would be, boom, quick, quick, easy explanation for all of it. And by the way, a solvable problem if they did better production practices. Yes.

Yeah, interesting. Well, I appreciate that. Thank you for coming on up here. Money Penny, I think you're going to be our last speaker, I suspect, because I'm really running out of time here. I've gone way over time, to be fair. Penny, Money Penny. Hi, Dr. Drew. Thank you. You invited me up to ask questions last week, and I apologize. There was an Android error that prevented it. I'm in the UK. You can probably

tell from my accent, I'm a three-year-long COVID sufferer. I'm studying the mRNA vaccines versus other vaccines, particularly Sputnik, Sinopharm, Sinovac. And interestingly, it appears the results that are being evidenced from numerous sources show that countries that are using those types of vaccines are not seeing non-COVID XX deaths or reductions in fertility and problems with gynecological issues. I wondered if you've had a look at that and if you could explain why that might be. Well, explain why that might be is a reach because we have to, I've got my theories, but I'm still accumulating an impression about that. But here's what I find odd. Covaxin, in my humble opinion, is a superior vaccine. That's the Indian vaccine. Why is there not an urgency,

but why isn't there at least a expediency to bring in the Covaxin? If you're so worried about vaccine hesitancy, why aren't we bringing Covaxin in? It's an excellent vaccine. It's a better vaccine. It's more in the line that you're looking at, Penny. And that to me is kind of a weird smoking gun. It's like, why are we not bringing this in? They claim there's some sort of manufacturing problem. Exactly what is the manufacturing problem? Let's hear what the problem is. And again, why isn't there an expediency, an urgency of some type, at least a mild urgency to get that solved. Wouldn't you agree? I lost Penny. Penny, you're still muted again.

Oh, sorry. Yes, I totally agree. Yeah, absolutely. And looking at statistics, it just seems 37.9% was Germany's excess deaths just reported a few days ago. When you're looking at that compared to what countries that are using COVAX and some of the other non-replicating spike protein vaccines, absolutely. Why isn't anybody looking at it? I don't, you know, we can fill in the why, right? We could, there's all kinds of theories we could come up with. Let's try to get to the truth. Let's try to get to the data on that. It's odd. A lot of odd things in this whole tale. And every time something odd or that has made me shake my head, I'm doing that less now. Have you noticed? I'm like, I don't understand.

I was a whole time for two years. Every five minutes, what came out of my mouth was, what's going on here? I don't get it. I don't understand. You're hearing less of that because I'm starting to put the pieces together. But there still are some things that make me shake my head, and Covaxin is one of those things. Okay. I've gone way over my...

I feel like we need to reinvent the wheel. Now that the pandemic threat is over, why don't they just keep working on it until they get it right instead of it being what is it what is it the vaccine why do they have to keep jabbing us like we we see the outcome wasn't positive 100 let's let's make it that way before we start re delivering it to the public it's just i don't know i feel like it was an emergency thing and now it's not really that much of an emergency let me flip that around and yes, we took an extraordinary risk to get that thing out to market.

We knew there was going to be complications. And it helped for some things. And I think it did help. That's right. And then why not now fill in the safety profile the way we normally would? Right. That's what I'm trying to say. You say it better than me.

Why not step back and take the time, a year or two, to really determine the efficacy, safety profile of the vaccine the way we normally would? Let's see, even a little twice as fast as we normally would, not 100 times as fast as we normally would. I feel like it's like we're going to keep giving it to you because we don't want to say that anything went wrong and it was our fault. You have to be, it's sort of... It's like, why are we doing so much data?

Like to see where COVID was, but we're not doing the data on the things that are not working out so well because they don't want to be, you know, have to apologize for making mistakes. They still, they've have made lots of mistakes. Um, they're still, well, they're also making money in it. You know, I'm starting to believe that but it's yeah it i just like i i my uh fake boob analogy okay when the 70s the big really where we going with this silicone boobs you know because it was a thing and i said you know i want to wait 10 years and see if it's a healthy

thing for women before i ever do it so i was was actually kind of right. You know, there were a lot of mishaps with women with, with silicone breasts. And I always was wondering, you know, everybody was jumping. By the way, it took 30 years for that to really kind of sort out. It's still sort of being sorted out. I mean, you're putting this in your body. It's like, you should know that there's risks. Right. Hey, this is a good point. Whenever you're having surgeries, everybody, I don't care how routine the surgeon makes it seem, surgery is a big deal. And once you've had one surgery, you're usually heading down a path of revisions and other surgeries, particularly when there's prosthetics involved. So anyway. Well, I never needed him after that and it came in naturally and i'm happy on every day

it came in naturally oh my god i hope you're all getting entertained by this this is hot and caleb you good you're not laughing into your microphone all right everybody we thank you for coming by we We have tomorrow at 1230. We have to fly tomorrow again. Yeah, that's why I didn't want to have to clean the playroom because we have to travel. Yeah, we have a 1230 show tomorrow with, I've already forgotten. We have somebody coming in. Oh, Ron Johnson. Scott Jensen.

Scott Jensen. Scott Jensen. Those two guys remind me of each other, interestingly. And then again, now Friday will be normal time. Is that correct? Yes. Alex Berenson at three o'clock on Friday. So today is Monday, Tuesday, Friday. Let me review a little bit of the schedule coming up. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, the following week. And then I think we get weird again. Yeah, we do. It's kind of strange because we have to travel to Austin so much for your mom's house. Yeah. And I think next Friday is my episode of your mom's house. Oh, really?

Because I was after Lauren Compton. I met her in the foyer. Right. So everybody support Susan's appearance on your mom's house, Dr. Draft to Dark. Send lots of love her way. It was actually interesting. We'll probably do the same thing this next time I'm trying to drag you in. You know what?

I don't know why people think that I'm good at this, but I just do it because I'm supportive. Answering calls about crazy sex stuff. Not everybody would say things like, you know, the COVID vaccine reminds me of breast implants. I'm not going to lie. It does. you have breast implants i'm not gonna lie it does i think i think that's the sort of thing they expect from you and that's what they makes them listen i'm just saying uh let's see let's see what the restream says hold on here uh james says i'm in denial what am i denial about my friend uh thank you guys uh thank you thank you i'm seeing a lot of thanks here tom cigar try it out yes sir uh sc Scott Jensen tomorrow.

And I want to know what to do about a drone floating over our house. I want to know how to, am I supposed to call the police? No, you take a picture and then you have what you need. I didn't have my phone in my hand. Okay. But what, I mean, are you supposed to report it or is that something that you should tell the neighborhood? I wonder if it's somebody's scope. You have a son that's a lawyer. He telling you what to do you were not listening well he

said this invasion of privacy but what did he tell me to do take a picture i it got away before the picture i understand but still should i tell the neighbors that it's there and to lock their houses or no i see uh i'm worried about security like it's always possible it is one of the neighbors too it's it's possible it's one of the neighbors some stupid kid or whatever but i i don't know maybe i i've never had i've never seen it before so but if anybody has any suggestions on uh type it out tell me what i'm supposed to do oh so the um the restream is something you just shoot it down so there you go there's our reason emily has a reason all right caleb you want to put the uh upcoming guests up there so we gotta be here for you again

and then we'll get out of here um i can't put it up on screen because it changed during the show so all my numbers are wrong okay but yeah no, no, we have Alex Berenson back. Yeah, we have Alex Berenson back on Friday. And I edited it and took all that out, and now I'm putting him back in. Oh, I see. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay, Scott Jensen on Tuesday. Thanks, Terry.

Lots of good guests. I've been working with our crack bookers and lots of interesting ideas. Yeah, lots of interesting ideas. Yeah, lots of interesting ideas. So we'll get more and more and more. And sort of the people, the pool of people that are willing to talk and the kinds of things they're talking about is sort of expanding. So this story keeps evolving and we'll keep chasing it. Again, that's where we started this little stream. If you remember us two years ago, we were saying we felt like the French underground,

just trying to have a place for people to come and share ideas and to figure out what's going on here and how to survive this. And now we're on the other side, and now we want to understand exactly what happened so we can reduce the risk of it happening again. All right, everybody. We'll see you tomorrow. Somebody said, point security

cameras at it. I do have one. I'll point up into the sky so that I know it's here. All right. We'll see. That's a good idea. That's smart. Thank you.

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