Ask Dr. Drew - My Body, My Choice… Except For Mandated Vaccines? Dr. Joseph Ladapo Fights For Health Freedom In Florida + MN Governor Candidate Dr. Scott Jensen & Jay Pea – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 548

Episode Date: November 1, 2025

“I couldn’t agree with Dr. Drew more!” writes FL Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo. “Many countries don’t have vaccine mandates at all, but through education achieve comparable vaccination rates.” Dr. Ladapo is pushing to end all vaccine mandates for children, calling them unethical and a violation of parents’ rights. In an interview with BlazeTV’s Sara Gonzales, Ladapo argued that the government should not control what goes into a person’s body, describing the issue as both moral and constitutional. He says the state’s goal is to restore parents’ freedom to make medical decisions for their children. Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo is the Surgeon General of Florida and Professor of Medicine at the University of Florida. His research focuses on behavioral economic strategies to reduce cardiovascular risk among disadvantaged populations and has been supported by the NIH and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. He is a Harvard-trained physician and health policy expert. Follow at https://x.com/FLSurgeonGen⠀Dr. Scott Jensen is a family physician, former Minnesota State Senator, and currently a candidate for Minnesota Governor. He advocates for health freedom and patient choice. Learn more at https://drscottjensen.com⠀Jay Pea is the president of Save Standard Time, a nonprofit advocating for better health and safety through alignment of clocks with the sun. He has testified in two dozen capitals and written op-eds in major outlets like The Hill. Learn more at https://savestandardtime.com 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - https://kalebnation.com • Susan Pinsky - https://x.com/firstladyoflove Content Producer & Booking • Emily Barsh - https://x.com/emilytvproducer Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - https://x.com/drdrew Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

JP, the president of Save Standard Time, will join me in a few minutes. But first up, we are delighted to be joined again by Dr. Joseph, Jodice Lattapo. Surgeon General from the state of Florida, professor of medicine at University of Florida. And we are going to be joined. The three of us will be Scott Jensen, Joe Lattipo, and myself. Scott, of course, a family physician, former Minnesota state senator, currently candidate for Minnesota governor. We're going to talk about medical freedom and our absolute assessment. astonishment at what is happening to our profession and what the range of the problems are and what can be done.

Free physicians, essentially two different generations of physicians, all look at the same phenomena going, this is a big problem. Something is not right at all. Back with Dr. Latipo and Dr. Jensen after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this fact. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, Love addiction.

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His ex-handle is DRS, I beg your pardon, D-R-Scott Jensen, J-E-N-S-E-N, and D-R-Scottgensen.com. Gentlemen, oh, I got Dr. Latipo first. That's Latipo. Welcome back. Good to see you. Talk to me for a minute. There's Dr. Jensen. And I'm going to put Scott on the driver's seat first, Joe, just to frame the moment here.

Like, how did the three of us get here today all of a sudden? Well, Dr. Drew and Dr. Lattapo, I think it's easy to say this. None of us could have anticipated what happened over the last five years. And I think as these things unfolded, we found ourselves on the hot seat. But fast forward to where we're at today, we're seeing downstream effects. that we made warnings about. We said, if you do this wrong, there will be consequences. And what we're seeing today is incredible amount of courage necessary from Dr. Lattipold

to help lead Florida away from mandates and to a recognition that we all get to control what happens to our body. But the concept of informed consent has been absolutely corrupted. And now we need to revisit that issue because, quite frankly, patients are being denied had informed consent in ways that we could never have guessed. They don't even realize it's happening, and I'm sure we're going to talk about that, but the downstream effects of what happened five years ago are what we're dealing with today, and they may be far more problematic than anybody could ever have guessed.

We'll talk about what some of those might be in a second. Dr. Lattipo, I'm going to have you pick it up right there. Yeah, well, I'll say that I agree with Dr. Jensen that I don't think I never would have imagine five years ago, you know, we'd be where we are now. And, but five years ago, I was first learning about Dr. Jensen. And, you know, there were not many people, there were not many truth sayers back then who had MDs. And, you know, there was this doctor out in Minnesota. I'd see these Facebook videos, and he was talking about, you know, fear and, and early treatment

and, you know, and not living in fear, not doing these lockdowns, you know, retaining your humanity. And I was like, man, I love this guy, you know, I love this guy. And I think we eventually kind of got tangentially connected through some other people. But, oh, man, I mean, it's like the guys and the gals who were there from the beginning, there aren't that many of them, and Dr. Jensen was one of them. So it's a treat for me to be chatting here with you and him and all the great work you've been doing, Dr. Drew. But Joe, you really picked up the ball

and had to do the hard work of policy and the courage. And I know that, you know, it's interesting. Throughout the course these last five years, the word courage has been across my lips several times. And the interesting thing, one of the many interesting things, first of all, I didn't expect to use that word in my seventh decade of life. I thought that something 20-year-olds talked about, but okay. But secondly, secondly, when you have clarity, both medically and morally,

it doesn't feel like courage. It feels like common sense. It feels like something you have to do. And so when I saw you do that, I thought, oh, yeah, I know exactly what he's thinking. Yeah, well, thank you for the kind words. And, boy, we could use more clarity against something I appreciate about Dr. Jensen and you, Dr. Drew. There's just, there's not a lot of clarity out there. I mean, we're here five years out, and you still, you know, you look, the CDC has published

data that shows that the uptake of the latest COVID-19 vaccine is something like 10%. It's somewhere around 10% among health care workers, like one in 10 of our colleagues, approximately, are taking this vaccine. And yet, if you looked on the TV stations, you would think these doctors that come and get interviewed like in msnbc there's one guy who really likes me on msnbc he's a pulmonologist he likes to he really likes me a lot you look at you think all doctors are taking it and it's just like what is going on you know so not a lot of clarity there but definitely a lot of subterfuge and a lot of misdirection and frankly

i don't know if they're ignorant or they're just lying and and to that point uh scott are you still seeing patients right now? Yes, because... Okay. Okay, so I'm still seeing patients too. And so it's fair, and most of them are elderly. You know, follow these people for 20 years, a general medical practice. I like taking care of very sick people,

so that's who gets sick is the elderly. And many of them ask me, should I take the COVID vaccine? Right? And many of them have had multiple boosters. Many of them have had COVID. Many of them have abandoned the boosters, though some have continued very diligently. And they ask

me for my opinion. In other words, they come to me and go, how should I think about this vaccine? What should inform me? Give me an informed consent. Even though I'm not going to administer the vaccine, I don't want to get in the way of them getting it if that's something they want, and I want them to be informed. And what I tell them is I can't because I don't have the information necessary to tell you something definitive about this vaccine. All I can say is, well, your risk of COVID is substantial, but you've had COVID. So you're kind of covered. You've had the boosters. You're sort of covered. We have Paxilvid. We have all these other vaccine treatment of COVID treatments now. So I'm not worried about you getting sick. So I don't

know what benefit we're going to get. We no longer anticipate hospitalization. That doesn't happen anymore. And the vaccine doesn't seem to contribute that to that. It doesn't contribute to whether or not you get the illness, doesn't contribute to whether or not you transmit the illness. And the variant that it's directed at is no longer in this community. So I don't know how to inform you How does that sound, Scott? About right? I think that's exactly right. And I think there's a couple of things that I add to that. But I always comment on the fact that the variant has already shifted from five months ago.

We're seeing that. I think we've gone away from the Nimbus. And I also tell people, whatever you decide, I want you to know, I'll be at your side. I'm not going to kick you out of my practice. I'm glad to be involved in your care. And then the other piece I tell them is, I'm afraid that informed consent has been corrupted if people give you advice and don't tell you that there might be some kind of monetary reward.

And that's been one of the things that I think has really been problematic is informed consent has two relatively simple words. One is patient has to be informed, two, the patient has to provide voluntary consent. But what happens if the person that the patient is talking with has secondary gain that's not on the table. And I think that we've made it over and over again that insurance companies and even governmental entitlement programs have provided these kinds of financial incentives. And I don't think patients are being told that. And

so to me, patients really aren't getting informed consent at that point. Joe, you agree? Yeah, yeah. I definitely agree. I mean, I mean, we're in, we are so far away from informed consent. We're, they're getting the consent part, but we're not getting the, we're not getting the informed part. And we're so, I mean, I don't think people don't even, most people don't even recognize how far away we are from the informed consent part. You know, when you're talking about, yeah, it's actually true for pretty much all vaccines. In some ways, there's at least more information about the MRNA COVID-19 vaccines.

But, you know, even influenza, which has been, you know, much better studied, I mean, basically, in terms of where you actually see benefit, you know, you look at the Cochrane reviews and the highest quality evidence, it's primarily in older people with comorbidities and, you know, potentially with pregnant woman. And that's mostly it. I mean, there's really no substantial, meaningful clinical benefit in children, and yet we, you know, and healthy children, yet that's the recommendation here in this country. Yep. And of course, there's, yeah, of course, there's the occasional study that shows. My nine-month-old granddaughter was recommended. You recommended my nine-month-old granddaughter, and my son goes, do I do it? What do you think about the flu shot?

I said, well, it's the right time of year to get the vaccine, but I don't understand why she would take it. I don't get it. I don't know. You know, it's a patient. Mom is pregnant. There is maybe a reason. Her mom is pregnant. So maybe that's a reason enough by itself. I don't know.

I had a patient in today, doctors, that just oddly enough said, Doc, do you remember the swine flu vaccine program? And I said, oh, absolutely, in 1976. I was in dental school that year. And I remember that program being suspended within maybe a month or so of it being released. I think there were a couple hundred cases of Guillaume, there were something like 50 deaths reported, and that stopped it cold. And yet you look at what happened to us the last five years. That's why I'm so grateful to you, Dr. Lattipo, for what Dr. Drew referred to as your policy work.

Because if at the end of the day, physicians are doing a poor job of providing informed consent, which I would submit that they are, you're sort of providing this big safety net that's available to people by saying, listen, you get to choose. You will not have a mandate put on you whereby you can't have your job or you can't travel. We are going to take those mandates away so that at the end of the day, you know that you have an exemption based on conscientious exemption, religious exemption, medical exemption. The fact is, we're not having mandates. At that point in time, I think once again, patients are in the driver's seat, and they so appreciate that. But you have led the way, Joe, and there's an awful lot of states, and aren't even willing to watch what you're doing, and we all should be watching what you're doing. Thanks for, thank you for the kind words.

I mean, honestly, I'm grateful for everyone's support, and definitely for Governor DeSantis, because there just aren't many governors. that you know that are willing to just do what is right you know they're not worried about the polls they're not checking the direction of the wind i hope you are become a governor in minnesota dr jensen because i know you'd be one of those same types of governors who you know were ethical and will put the interests of the of the population of the people before anything else you know that you just start many people like that in politics about philosophy i what do you What do you imagine? This is why I want both you to talk to me about.

Scott, I'll give you a second right after Scott, Joe rings in, which is, what happened? What happened to us? How could we want to mandate our patients if they don't listen to our recommendations? We're going to force and coerce. And it's the most unsinkable ethical transgression imaginable for my generation. I know for Scott's generation, and I would imagine, for yours too. What happened here? And then if given how severely out of line things are, and I would posit that it's the public health policy posture that got out of hand,

the centralization, the name of public health got completely corrupted. But that's my opinion. And then that there should be any outrage for you saying it's your body yourself, you make your decisions. That there should be like communist China does not have that kind of a mandate. Why is it outrageous for Florida to follow suit? Yeah, but we didn't know that then. I knew something. We were like, oh, everybody, China was saying, oh, mask up, everybody mask up.

Oh, people are dying in the street. We're going to spray the streets. I knew something was out of line. But, Joe, go ahead. Yeah, we are so far off. And, you know, and I mean, if you look at parents, there are definitely some parents who, you know, they're down with mandates.

They want, pardon me, They want mandates, but there are a lot of parents. Like, there's a sizable proportion of parents that don't like mandates. They want to be the ones to make the decision about what goes in their kids' bodies. Because that just makes sense. They're your kids. So you look at that, and then you look at where the doctors are who at least are on television, and it's just like on TV, it's just the creation of this alternate reality

in this alternate universe of ideas and beliefs. And there's just a complete mismatch. It reminds me of, frankly, how, you know, if all you did was watch TV before the 2016 election, you would think that, you know, Hillary Clinton was going to absolutely win and, you know, the whole country. But if you were a person who was talking to other people

and listening to Americans, you would see that that was not clear. clear that that would happen at all, and of course it didn't. So we just have the same thing happening here where just the intelligentsia of our profession and the regular people are just so far apart. I remember Dr. Scott, your opinion? Yeah, I remember early in the pandemic, probably 2021. I remember I did a video and went to bat for Governor DeSantis in Florida because I think 60 minutes had done sort of a hit piece on I'm accusing him of distributing vaccines in a preferential manner. And both Democrats and Republicans in Florida knew that was not true.

And 60 minutes went ahead and did this hit piece. I came out and criticized 60 minutes. And I remember that night I was kicked off a TikTok and my 300,000 followers just in a moment were gone. But getting that 30,000 foot view where we're at right now is I'm an optimist. And I see a better, I see a better tomorrow. I think that there's a paradigm shift that's occurred, and it has two things associated with. One is there's an awareness that big pharma cannot help itself. It doesn't matter if they're making injecting drugs, vaccines, oral medications, cancer drugs.

It doesn't matter. Big pharma can't help themselves. They're going to be driven by profit. But I think the epiphany for so many people is the physicians. I think people are recognized about it. Physicians get stuck. And the notion that Dr. Drew and Dr. Lattipo and myself could actually be correct and that they could need to step back and revisit what they're thinking, it was too much for so many physicians. They said, uh-uh, uh-uh, there's a certain rigidity.

And I think within that rigidity, we saw all kinds of downstream effects take place. For one, a patient would come to the doctor's office and have a legitimate question. And the doctor would literally snap at them and kick them out of their practice for not complying with what the doctor wanted. It all of a sudden became very aware, I think, for a lot of patients, that physicians weren't who patients thought they were. And I think this is going to be a good thing down the road because I think patients are going to be a little more skeptical in a healthy way. And they're going to say, doctor, I appreciate that input. But I'm going to do some research on my own. I might get a second opinion, but I really appreciate you.

Boom. Physicians are going to have to grow up and recognize that they cannot be rigid, that it's not about the physician, it's about the patient. And that's the beginning, true informed consent, when we recognize it's not about the physician, it's about the patient, it's about the physician advocating for the patient, and over time the physician earns the trust of the patient, but we don't get it automatically.

I love what you're saying. I love what you're saying, Dr. Jensen. We've just gotten so far away from that. I actually was, I can't remember who was speaking, but they were sharing this concern about how so many physicians are employed. And technically, I'm employed. You know, I've been, I've always been a faculty member, so I've always been employed by university. But it's actually a really bad model for healthcare, for physicians in general. Because instead of being these champions of patients, which we are capable of being, like we are capable. You know, you look at Dr. Mary Bowden. Talk about a champion of a patient. You know, this patient wanted Ivermectin, however people feel about it. She fought for the patient. She, you know, sent her nurse there to administer it. She did, she was, she worked powerfully in service of the patient.

And, you know, and she got, you know, she got, she got in trust. with the Board of Medicine for it, but my gosh, how wonderful is it to see a patient, to see a physician standing up fighting for their patient? Like, that's what, I gotta believe that that's what drew so many people for decades to the practice of medicine. And that's gone now. I mean, people just fight for, you know, like quality metrics and, you know, and, you know, the schedule and income but fighting for your patient there just aren't many doctors that still do that that's pretty crazy i mean our job in primary care is ombudsman that's our first job navigating the system picking the right consultants to know making the calls god go ahead

i was going to say dr mary tally bowden has truly been a trailblazing hero for so many people and i think what people may not know about her is she put it all in the line and there was nothing in it for her. Not a thing. She just felt that that was what she was called to do as a part of her Hippocratic oath. I mean, and there have been, you know, I think Dr. Peter McCullen, I think of so many champions, but Mary has, Mary Talley Bowden has a special spot in my heart because she was so alone and she literally had to go against these juggernaut forces in her life. And God bless her forever. You know, Scott, you mentioned the downstream effects and when you mentioned that the first thing that jumped into my head was what we did to sort of eight to 15

year old citizens of this country, the people that were supposed to protect, you know, years of productive life lost, years of health lost, years of education lost, a profound impact on their emotional health and development, which was so predictable. We were all saying the lockdowns, I kept saying from the beginning of lockdown, you're going to destroy eight to 15 year olds. And Joe, you may not be seeing this as much in Florida because you didn't do two years of lockdown like we did in Florida. But here, the depression, anxiety, the listlessness, lack of meaning-making, and it could be an ability to form good relationships.

It's just off the chain right now. And every time I see sort of data in that direction, particularly for the young males, I just think they're not measuring the impact of lockdown because that certainly was a big part of all this. I was on a school board for 10 years in Wicconia, and then I was on the higher education committee when I was in the Senate. And this particular aspect of the last five years just makes me sad because I think that there's a delusion that will suffer from. And the delusion is that it'll be okay, that they'll bounce back, that they get a mulligan, they get a do-old. There is

no do-over. That's right. This group of people, as they proceed through life, we will see downstream effects that will be crippling. And this is on us. Yeah, and to reinforce again, what you were saying is that we used to think to some extent that I'm sure doctors at one time would have support that position that there's a resiliency, they'll go, they'll come back. But now we know as you move through development, which is from zero to 25, frankly, as you move through these periods of development, there are windows that open and close. That's why they're windows. They'll go up and they close. And once they're closed, it makes the development. sometimes impossible and certainly that much more difficult.

But not so much in Florida I'm imagining because you didn't do the dumb thing that we did here in California without thinking about, again, the informed consent. The other thing that wasn't considered in any of this was the risk reward. That's the other thing that got washed out of medicine. There was informed consent and risk reward and we let them both go during COVID. And Francis Collins has said it publicly that he did not think of risk reward at any point during his recommendations that destroyed so many people. I'll give Joe a chance to respond to that.

Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. Yeah, yeah, Dr. Collins was, you know, after he, after he, after he declared a war on Dr. J. Batacharya and Dr. Martin Kuldorf and those other rogue epidemiologists. Devastated takedown. Devastating takedown. Devastating takedown. My goodness. Woo.

Yeah, and you know what? The resiliency thing kills me because resilient doesn't. mean it doesn't hurt you, you know, and they are resilient. The kids, they are resilient. But that doesn't mean they weren't harmed. It doesn't mean they weren't, you know, they didn't suffer. And that's what the data show. And you're absolutely right, Dr. Drew, because in Florida, with the educational markers, much better, much better. I mean, Florida did much better than just about every other state. And this was shown there's a center at Harvard that focuses on education policy. And that was demonstrated, you know, shortly after, you know, all the states started

coming out of the lockdowns. Their first studies probably like two years ago, and they've updated it a few times, much better. It made a huge difference. And it makes a difference for the trajectory of people's lives. It's really terrible, the impact. And, you know, just because, again, people are still smiling and doing the best doesn't mean they weren't harmed, you know. So you can be resilient and still be harmed. And that's exactly what happened. So, yeah. So I got to take a little break here. But when we get back, Scott, I'll let you finish that thought.

And also, let's talk a little bit about what we worry about with what the mandates of the vaccines have done biologically. There's a lot of stuff flying around. I don't know quite what to make of it yet. I've not dedicated shows to it because I'm not sure what to make of things yet. I'm worried. I'm worried. I guess I have dedicated some shows. I talked to Jessica Rose at length about some of her biological observations in terms of the DNA.

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liver cells, cognition, and reduces cell membrane oxidation. It's one of the only ways I know up to do that. So you should be taking it. I take it. If you want to try it, go to doctor dot com slash fatty 15. That's brilliant. And thank you, Drew. Who's Dr. Drew? Where is he? Dr. Drew? Dr. Latipo is at FL Surgeon General. Dr. Jensen is at DR. Scott Jensen. And dr. Scottjensen.com is where you can find him as well. Before the break, Scott was about to make a comment, and I wanted him to talk more about speculate. Let's be fair, we're going to speculate about some of the biological downstream effects of what our profession participated in was these insane mandates. Dr. Jensen? Well, I was just going to give an example,

Dr. Drew, of what you'd said before about windows opening and closing. I think an easy example, I've got seven grandchildren, they're all between three and eight. But if you look at what children learn at the age of three and four in terms of phonetics and how to make sounds and how other people are making sounds. And you just say, well, we're going to put masks on people and we're going to make kids go through this year or two of life without being able to see how to do that. What happens then is when they're five and six and they're starting to read, all of a sudden they're not able to sound out words in the same way. Now it's a question of can they memorize fast enough. It slows them down. But they're moving forward. There's no waiting for them. And like you say,

Developmental tasks are best met during certain intervals of life. And we are seeing that in Minnesota, we used to have what was considered a high class, public school system. We used to be top five. Now, we're not even necessarily in the top half of America. We're not seeing our kids perform in reading or writing to grade level in fourth grade and eighth grade. We're seeing a plummeting. And this is absolutely new to Minnesotans. So what I fear is one, the trend that we're seeing now is not going to go away because of wishful thinking.

The second thing I fear is we did these vaccinations, this new technology of MRNA, and we did it without really being sure of how that injected substance is metabolized, degraded, and goes away. So we're seeing young people with deposition of spike protein, which is what the MRNA vaccine does, is it creates spike protein. So it's not just antibody related. We're seeing actual spike protein deposition in tissues of the body that we don't want to see spike protein deposit. I oftentimes will tell patients, let's check your antibody levels. Let's see if we can learn something there. But the last thing I fear is that because public health has done so poorly and because

physicians have been so rigid, I fear that we may throw the baby out with the bathwater. MRNA technology does have value. It certainly doesn't seem to have a lot of value with vaccines, but does it have value in potential testing? Does it have value in terms of generating biologic product that might be life-saving? Does it have value in potentially treating cancers? All of these are things, these are all possibilities. But quite frankly, this is on scientists, this is on researchers, this is on physicians,

this is on public health. We have literally set ourselves back decades by our behavior during the last five years. Yeah, and part of that is creating all this anxiety about the MRNA platform per se, as though it itself is evil. There's no good and bad things in biology. There are things that are destructive in certain settings and are useful another, and that's that. They're not good because they're good or bad. They just have to be, like you say, you can't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I'm really concerned about that, too. I will say something a little stronger. There is no place for the MRA platform in development of a vaccine for respiratory viruses. That is not a place for the MRA vaccine, period. That's that, in my humble opinion. But we can discuss it, of course. That's part of science, right? But, Scott, I know you have to go.

You've got a heart out. I'm going to hold Joe back about five more minutes. Dr. Jensen, do you have any closing comments you want to make? Well, there's a verse in the Bible, Esther 414, that says, have you considered you're in the position you're in for such a time as this? And I think the three of us all could live by that, but so could so many more. And I'm grateful that our country's waking up. One of our biggest challenges in our country going forward, I think, is forgetfulness. us. We cannot forget what we went through. We locked kids out of school. We locked businesses

down and told families that we weren't going to allow them to be able to take care of their children, take care of the bills. We locked elderly frail people in nursing homes infested with active virus, and we made them live horrific lives at the end, and they died horrific deaths at the end, and they oftentimes were alone. That's on us. Those are motivations for us going forward that we can never let this happen again and dr drew and dr ladipo thank you so much it's so good to be with you yeah you too jess god and if we can support your run and for governor count on at least us too for sure so thank you so much thank you all right so joe i'm hold you back for it for this because during the that little commercial breaks my wife susan got up and was

dancing around the room going politics and medicine politics and medicine they don't they don't mix, that it can't go together. And then I thought to myself, oh, for sure, that's true, but poor Joe has to figure out how to navigate both those worlds. So to that point, I'm wondering how you do that, except to just keep your physician's sensibility, you know, keep that rudder in the water and to let that, you know, guide your decision making, I guess. Yeah, yeah. You know, I actually, I guess I have an advantage because I was always interested in policy. So even back in college, you know, I actually remember doing track and field stuff because I was on the Wake Forest track and field team. But I was, and I was

thinking about, you know, what I'd be doing afterward and, you know, would I go to graduate school and what I even actually keep competing and all that stuff? But the other thought that sticks in my mind is just staying up late, scrolling through CNN. Yeah, CNN. And, you know, just reading about different political issues and look, try and understand why it was that people had different perspectives on, on, you know, the same issues. And even reading the weekly standard also. And, you know, just trying to just take in different perspectives and understand where people were coming from. So I actually like that aspect of policy. Well, good. But now enlighten us. pardon enlighten us what so what is where does that come from that that that bias those blind spots the watching you know we're all watching the same movie but we're in fact watching two movies on one screen how to scott adam says how how do we how do we bring you know bring those images

closer together for people well i mean i i i think i have some understanding not a complete understanding of why we're we're in that place but how you know how to bridge it that's that's a that's a longer conversation that actually i would say would um sort of stretches across literally spiritual philosophical like multiple domains because it is in a way psychology yeah yeah it is fascinating that people have can not only even though like for me i understand you know people have different positions but i do feel like i often understand why someone might feel the way they feel even though i may completely disagree with it but most people at least publicly the people you hear about on tv or you know or are talking at tv shows or interviews i don't get that same

feeling. I feel like it's like, I'm right, they're wrong, and that's the end of the, you know, that's where insight ends. We're not trying to understand why it is that they believe what they believed. And I actually find that extremely interesting. And frankly, I benefited from it. Like, not only does it help you strengthen your position, if in fact your position is where you want to be after you understand where someone else is, but it's just so interesting. You know, you get a better understand what people think and why they think that. you know why they feel that way so i've fortunately kind of been inclined in that direction and i'm also not scared or intimidated by people who have different ideas like that doesn't bother

me you know people's ideas don't bother me but they when people do have different ideas for a lot of people it makes them uncomfortable yeah i get that and uh i i would argue i keep thinking that it has might have something to do with our scientific training because the one thing that it just drills into you is rational uncertainty, uncertain about everything, and understanding that the truth is never completely accessible. But we can use mechanisms to ascend to something as close to the truth as we can possibly get, hopefully, but constantly humble before that truth, as opposed to irrational certitude, which was on full display for many years.

So I will let you wrap up with, I just speculate what you're, you know, both concerns about what we may have done with this vaccine. I guess everybody knows what flies around. There's cancers going up, colon cancers and young men are going up. Could it be the vaccine? Are people's mental health? There's so many questions being asked about what the impact of all this and very little sorting out of what was COVID and what was the vaccine or what was both. I don't know anymore.

What do you think we're seeing here? And then how is the removal of the mandates gone for you? I do think we're seeing a lot of problems related to the, to the, RNA COVID-19's vaccines. A lot of problems. And, you know, you may have seen in the news recently, there was a paper published in the journal Nature where some researchers found what appears to be a, I would say a likely benefit of those vaccines in some patients with cancer who are receiving immunotherapy. So that was recently, got a lot of attention, at least in, you know, the medical news and other related scientific news outlets.

And so that seems to be something. It needs to be fleshed out more. And, you know, you guys were just talking about the fact that the goal may not be to throw it out entirely. The goal may be just, you know, to avoid using it, frankly, in healthy people and for the prevention of infections. I mean, it just so far, the data do not support, yeah. The data just don't support a dynamic. where the benefits are, by any measure, outweighing the risks in healthy people. So, you know, so I do think we're seeing a lot of problems there.

And then in terms of the, in terms of ending these immoral, unethical mandates, we're working on it. We're still working on it here in Florida. We're pulling out some from the Department of Health. We're working without lawmakers. If there are Floridians watching now, we need your help. Please, you know, share your perspectives with your, with your representatives, with your people. Because it's important that people, that leaders here understand that, you know, particularly on the Republican side, but a lot of Democrats, too, they do not support mandates. They're not ethical instruments.

And, you know, parents should have the right to make these decisions without coercion. And a mandate is coercion. So it's going to be, we're fighting for it because we think it's, it's an ethical policy and it's in the best interests of our people here in Florida. And we're going to keep doing that. And so where do you want people to go, Joe, to support you in this cause? You know, they can check out our Twitter. They can go to the Department Health website.

And, you know, they can support all the other, you know, brave physicians. out there, like you, like Dr. Peter McCullough, like Dr. Jensen, like Dr. Simone Gold, like Dr. Stella Emanuel, with so many brave physicians out there. And of course, you know, the leadership of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and President Trump during this time, like they need our support. You can keep the criticism going. I definitely, not one of those people that think that, you know, you shouldn't say you don't like something when you don't like it. But at the same time, when they do great things, man, let's, let's rally, you know, because there's a lot to celebrate, too.

Joe, always a pleasure. Thank you, my friend. Hey, thanks. Thanks, Dr. Drew. And if there was, you know, ever something to defend, it is your bodily autonomy and your autonomy to make decisions on behalf of your children and to be defended by, from the state. Is that true? No, no, no, we did that. Trust me, we're all done.

Susan, Susan thinks it was a taped piece. You've got to pay attention here. I mean, I know, I did too. I'm sorry. Thanks for letting me know. Yeah, well, there was a lot of texting going on. We tried to get you. So, we are going to switch gears a little bit.

Somebody put something in the stream that caught my attention that I wanted to read it because it just kind of broke my heart. I actually responded to her. Let me see if I can find it. It looks like I'm not going to find it. Shoot. She was essentially saying that she worries that she's, her children are going to die before she does because of the concerns about the vaccine.

I thought, God, that is just horrible that people walk around this country have to feel that way. And I think that is an excess. I don't believe that will be true. But there are certainly people that are going to suffer because of things that were forced to do against their will that did not drive any benefit necessarily for anybody. One of the first people on the Restream, Shanna, said that she lost her 17-year-old daughter to the vaccine. Oh, terrible.

Our condolences go out to you. Awful. So, J.P., we're going to switch gears quite a bit here. And we are going to talk about Daylight Simon Standard Time. What is at issue here? And what Jay is worried about that you can follow Jay at. save standard on X and also staventertime.com. Jade, tell me what is at issue, what you're concerned about.

Thank you for joining us. Hello, thanks for having me so much. I started this nonprofit safe standard time when I noticed this push to retry permanent daylight saving time. It's a good idea to stop the clock change, but we want to make sure we keep standard time, the honest-to-god sundial time, not daylight time, the fast time,

the wake up early in the dark time. Is that for health? reasons? Is that for international business reasons? All the above? What do we get out of that? All of the above? With standard time, the clock is more honestly aligned to where the sun is positioned in the sky. So it's an objective, logical, fair way to set the time. When we're on daylight saving time, you spring your clock forward one hour, and that makes your alarm clock sound an hour earlier the next morning and every day afterward until you fall back to standard time where you belong. When we're waking up earlier, that means we're sleeping less long into the morning.

Over the long term, this leads to a chronic loss in sleep quality and duration, and that can cascade into mental health problems, physical problems. There have been many studies in recent years. There was a study just a few months ago, finding permanent standard time would be best for reduction of obesity and strokes, for example. Standard time can help with our safety driving on the roads, with our children's performance in school, our own performance in the workplace. And this is backed by history, by science, and really just first principles, basic logical thinking.

And who is it that's advocating the opposite for the daylight savings time to be the permanent? And why? What is their motivation? So we had standard time for many decades, and it was working well. And then during World War I, lobbyists for department stores and for golf association started to promote this idea of saving daylight. It was presented as a wartime rationing, patriotic duty to get more labor out of the workforce and to save energy. It doesn't actually increase productivity and it doesn't actually save energy. But their belief is that if you're forced to go to work an hour early, then you're going to leave work an hour early and you're going to go shopping or you're going to go golfing. you're going to spend leisure money rather than getting enough sleep that night with standard time.

So we always find the advocates for health and safety on the side of standard time and for a few moneyed interest going for daylight saving time. And how has the reception been for all this? I mean, I have sort of a thought bubble over my head too, is like, Jay, did you imagine when you were in high school, this is what you'd be doing later in life? I mean, how did this happen to you? And then how's the reception been? Well, I grew up in rural Iowa and my great grandparents were farmers and they taught me as a child to tell the time from where the sun is in the sky. And when I eventually started to realize what daylight saving time was, I was always complaining about it and saying, why are we lying about the time of day to get ourselves out of bed earlier?

If you really want to wake up earlier, then we should choose to do so, not have the government mandated across the population. I also have a hobby in amateur astronomy so I know that time is not a random number we pull out of the sky but it's a calculated number that we pull out of the sky

and professionally I've worked in software engineering and I can say that daylight time is a mess for programming computers it'd be a lot simpler if we stuck strictly to standard time.

Do other countries do that or we're the only one or one of a couple or how does that work? It started in Europe with World War I, Germany and Britain doing it and then pretty much all of Western Europe

and the United States and Canada following suit. Many other nations in South America and Asia have tried it and have gotten rid of it, but it still lingers here in the Western world, unfortunately. And that's a lot due to just confusion. People don't know why we're changing clocks. They don't remember why. A lot of people initially will guess that, well, I like summertime. Can we keep the summertime in the winter?

but you can't just change winter and summer by changing the clock. So, yeah. If you're noticing right now that you're waking, if you're noticing right now that you're waking in the dark with an alarm clock, that's probably due to daylight saving time. And if you had standard time in your state right now, like we do here in Arizona, I get to wake up when the sun is, you know,

just dawning over the horizon and I can wake naturally without an alarm clock. I lived in New England for a while and one of the first, one of the many things that's astonished to me was how dark it gets in the winter early, like at 4 in the afternoon. It is black, dark, pitch black. And, you know, if you did something to the clock, it'd be very strange.

I can't even imagine what it would be like that's already strange enough. Yeah, so the further north, the further away from the equator you're going, you're going to have more extreme times, a longer daylight in the summer and a much shorter daylight in the winter and there's really no getting around that. The daylight saving time is really just stealing an hour from the morning and trying to stick it on the end of the day. Yeah. So where do people go if they want to support

you? And what are the what are the roadblocks? Well, so this can be solved either at the state level or the federal level in Congress. And unfortunately, that leads to a lot of finger pointing saying, well, talk to Congress and Congress saying talk to the states. But, We really believe that the state solution is the best way to go about this. Now, state legislators will often be shy about saying, well, we can't go it alone. And on our website, savestandardtime.com, we do have model legislation showing how the effective date can be delayed to coordinate with surrounding states to make sure to build a regional pact. So please go to our website or social media. Send your state and federal legislators to our website and social media.

We want to ditch DST and save standard time. And then Caleb has a question about the technological aspects of some of this. Yeah, that's something I was wondering is if that's a big hurdle that's keeping people from, you know, taking this on, are all of the digital clocks that might have hard-coded programming that always adjusts for daylight savings time? Is that any sort of a hurdle to this mission? And also the international piece of that, too, right? There's international differences and how it's going to adjust for that. Go ahead.

To some degree, most computer systems rely on third-party libraries that they are interconnected so you can get your clock software updated by someone else and that gets disseminated to multiple apps. More likely we'd want a lead time on any major changes. I mean, airlines are selling plane tickets six months, nine months out. They don't want any sudden changes in scheduling. But we have seen a lot of progress this year. Seven state bills and resolutions made it halfway to. the finish line this year. Last year was the first time we got one bill halfway to the finish line through one chamber of the state legislature. So we're getting closer to ditching DST.

And the more support you can give to your state and federal lawmakers, the better we can get to that goal. Well, Jay, I'll give you one last chance for a call to action and then I'll say goodbye. Thank you for being here. Where do you want them to go? Safestandardtime.com or on your favorite social media, look for Safe Standard. Thanks, Jay. I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Very interesting today. I could talk to Dr. Jensen and Dr. Lattapo all afternoon.

They both had to go, and obviously the surgeon general, I don't want to keep him excessive, you know, long periods of time here. And Dr. Jensen had a hard out. But I do hope you'll follow those guys on X. And if you're interested in this, in Jay's quest to, I just like the, I like the story. I think that's the hook is that he grew up on a farm, and the farm is all about light and seasons.

and that this is an unnatural way for us to be relating to the movement of the sun across the sort of horizon across the sky. So good for him. Interesting. Coming up, can I talk about Thursday? Yeah. Cheryl Hines going to come in studio with me, Aaron Siri tomorrow. Ryan Sickler may not make it so we're going to make you wear a Maha hat, though.

Yeah, okay. So everyone's, you guys are talking a bit, particularly on the Rumble Rants, about my wound here. I had a big skin cancer removed, so go spend time in the sun. Everybody, guess what happens? Turn to the side so they can really see it. This way? Yeah. Well, like, yeah, a little, all the way, so the

camera can see. Oh, they can see it. Oh, you want to close up? Let me see. All right. There it is. Everybody's like, what's on it? Frankenstein. Now, theoretically, this should get a lot better over than a couple of weeks, but now it's pretty nasty. It's a bunch of stare strips on top of it, so you can't

see it. I'm not going to expose you to the full Frankenstein effect that would be in yeah it could could be put into into it's good Halloween's coming up so maybe maybe I should go with Frankenstein so I said I said but you guys were time yeah there was a lot of talk about it wasn't much you were saying much on the restreams but I noticed over on the on the rants like I came in late what the hell's on Drew's head no the rants were saying that but not over on the restream which is funny I see caps cap's superade says I didn't even notice it. Say, there you go.

But the ranters are looking for reasons to rant, and they did. The conversation was good, so they didn't have to pay attention to your face. That's good. So let's put that list back up here again, because I am so, so grateful for Cheryl Hines to make the trip into our studio. That's crazy to me. She's willing to do that. And we'll see. I hope so.

Well, she said if the traffic is too bad, she might not. She doesn't have to. We're just happy that she would be on the truck. I've got a billion questions for a Larry Elder. coming in here. He is the guy that is credited with having turned Dave Rubin. And we'll tell you that story. Ms. Pat's coming in. That's fun. That's a surprise. We didn't know she was coming. Wait, who is that? She's a comedian. She's great. I know. I can't remember who that. Salty Cracker coming in. She's an African to Maryland. Yes, she's a black woman and she is funny as hell.

But I'm guessing she has something to promote. That'd be interesting to get her. Ms. Pat. Miss Pat is very, very funny. And check her out online or anywhere else. You can cross over from the Surgeon General of Florida to Ms. Pat. I love that. We're going to bring, listen, there's all kinds of interesting things out there. And I'm sure Ms. Pat has something to say. She has eight children. Google says she has eight children.

We've got to talk about that, too. She's got all her funny stuff just right there with those eight kids. I got to get a little tape for you guys. I'm going to do this. I'm mad at myself for not bringing it today. But did you all see the interview that Adam Crolla did with Gavin Newsom, where Newsom was saying that the biggest problem in Southern California is check-cashing, these check-cashing outlets.

And Adam was like, why? He goes, well, black and brown people don't have access to ATMs or bank. He goes, why? Why don't they? What's wrong? Why can't they get bank? What are you? What's the source that?

What are you saying that? Do Asian people have that problem? Do Armenians have that problem? And he was, I mean, his behavior, Newsom's behavior in that. interview has been legendary for those people that have seen it out on X. See if any of you've seen that. I'm going to look on the restream and that rant. But he did a AI version of it where I'm going to bring three minutes in here, I promise.

I hope he'll let me bring it. Where Adam is an NPR female reporter asking these questions. And Gavin Newsom is Bert Reynolds. and when you listen to Burt Reynolds' voice and saying the things that Gavin Newsom is saying and then a woman that sounds like she should be on NPR going, well, why? What are you doing? What are you saying? Why would you say that? The impact of that interview is so profoundly different in a good way.

It's both hysterical and eye-opening, how we allow our biases to be deluded by these politicians. It just is amazing. If you watch the Adam and Drew show next week, I think on Tuesday, yes, I think Tuesday, Monday or Tuesday, check it out. You can get at our website, Adam and Dr. Drew Show. It's a half hour, it's a 30-minute podcast. Where do you find that reenactment on Adam's thread on the Adam Crow show? That's what I'm saying right now.

No, no, no. We did it on the Adam and Dr. Drew show. It'll air next Tuesday. Oh, oh. And we just did it today, but I think it goes up. I think it goes up next Tuesday. But do watch that podcast, nevertheless. We open sort of our Monday podcast next week by saying

people seem interested in this podcast now. Before we were just two old guys are out of touch. Now all of a sudden, oh, maybe they knew something. And it goes to very, very interesting places. But, Caleb, isn't that an interesting idea? Isn't that funny how that happens where it's like you just get, they just like push you aside for like three or four years? Then they're like, wait a second.

Hold on. Maybe he was right about this. I think about that every time I see all. all these comments on TikTok. All the people, like half and probably about 80% of the comments we get on when we're live on TikTok are all negative people just like quack, quack, quack. And I'm like, guys, just give it two years. You're obviously at the beginning.

Two years from now you're going to sound very, very different, just like everybody else does. And, and, you know, I think it was, did Dr. Jensen say, we have a forgetting problem. Did Dr. Jensen say it or Dr. Lattaposea, but we cannot, Dr. Jensen said it. We cannot forget our own mistake. because we have to apologize for them, correct them, make amends for them, and adjust our priors. And if you forget that you are on whatever, TikTok, giving me a bunch of shit, and it turns out something we were saying today was correct, adjust, adjust, apologize, adjust. You have to apologize to me personally. Just in your head apologize. And it will interrupt that irrational certitude

that is a running amok in our country right now. So rational uncertainty is the proper posture at all times. Let me just look quickly. Casey Gates says, I sound sick. Do I sound sick? No, he was worried about you. I am coughing a little bit. Your voice, you know, is a little bit affected, I think.

I've been in and out of a hospital all week for. What is the Big Green K on Restream? Can somebody explain that to me? The Big Green K is comments coming from kick.com. You're also live there. You're on a lot of platforms, yeah. Well, we appreciate all of you. I don't know what that means.

Was Dr. going to show the gruesome? Thank you for joining our stream, McChese. Greg McNeely, I am going to show it. I've got to get it. I have to get their permission and get it. So I should have done it. I should have thought about it.

I sort of think of his, that that's his thing. But I think he would like it, actually, if I played it because it was this crazy idea he had that is, I'll give him proper due, which is a brilliant idea that he had. It was perfectly executed and it will inform. It's just so informative to listen to it. If we're not these idiots and their skill at manipulating us that was at the other end, and it was just a different, I don't know how to even describe,

I'm going to be thinking more about this because I don't know how to describe what gets shifted when you see this thing. You'll think, oh, my God, I get persuaded. in ways that are so far from reality because of biases that are intrinsic, we have to be really careful about them. And the politicians take full advantage of those biases. So be careful. All right, everybody, we're in tomorrow at 4 o'clock. Caleb, do you want to talk about the Maha panel? Yeah, I'm now also co-producing the Maha Action Media Call every Wednesday. And that's why our shows at 4 p.m. Pacific on Wednesdays now. Not exactly 100% sure who's going to be there,

but there's always a very interesting crew, somewhere between 10 to 12 people. A lot more guests than we get here, a lot more complicated. So please, nobody text me during that show tomorrow. I told Tony, you shouldn't do more than four or five guests. How many guests do you have? I'll say it again.

How many? Excuse me. All three I've done have had between 11 and 12 speakers. It's pretty, you get a lot of good information. Everybody comes with information. But I think that's a mistake, though, Caleb. I think it's a mistake. I think you should do five every time

and so people will stay the whole way and get all the information. I react to something in this room after about an hour every time. No, I know. Our housekeepers had a stroke, so it's a little dusty. It's the way it's going to be.

Get used to it. All right, everybody. We'll see you tomorrow at 4 o'clock. Thank you for being here. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. Emily Barsh is our content producer. As a reminder, the discussions here

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