Ask Dr. Drew - My Husband Took A Bullet Meant For Trump: Corey Comperatore’s Widow Seeks Answers After Butler Assassination Attempt w/ Ex-FBI Bobby Chacon & Amanda Head – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 499

Episode Date: June 28, 2025

Corey Comperatore was killed shielding his family from the attempted assassination of Pres. Trump at a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania on July 13, 2024. Corey and his widow Helen Comperatore had been friends since kindergarten. The attacker, Thomas Matthew Crooks, wounded Trump’s ear before being neutralized by a sniper. Corey’s widow, Helen Comperatore, calls him her hero, recalling his last words: “Get down!” as he protected them. At the Republican National Convention, Corey’s coat and helmet were shown on stage as he was honored by the President for his bravery. Bobby Chacon is a retired FBI agent, attorney, and TV/film technical advisor. He worked mob cases in New York and led the FBI’s Underwater Forensic Program. More at https://x.com/BobbyChaconFBI Helen Comperatore is the widow of Corey Comperatore, a firefighter killed at a Trump rally in Butler, PA. She is honoring her husband’s memory with Corey’s Cruise on July 12, 2025. More at https://coreyscruise.com Amanda Head is a White House Correspondent for Just The News and co-host of Just The News, No Noise on Real America’s Voice. She hosts the Furthermore with Amanda Head podcast. More at https://x.com/AmandaHead 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • ACTIVE SKIN REPAIR - Repair skin faster with more of the molecule your body creates naturally! Hypochlorous (HOCl) is produced by white blood cells to support healing – and no sting. Get 20% off at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/skinrepair⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://vshredmd.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

So much to get to today for you. We have Amanda Head, she's a White House correspondent for Just the News, co-host of Just the News, No Noise on Real America's Voice, also hosts furthermore with Amanda Head podcast. She'll be coming in giving us an update in just a minute. We've also got Helen Comparator, she is the widow of Corey Comparator, a firefighter killed at the Trump rally in Butler, PA, and we got questions and so does she. Then we'll wrap it up with Bobby Chacon, retired FBI agent, attorney, TV and film, technical advisor and creator.

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drdrew.com slash fatty15. All right, you can follow Amanda Head on X at Amanda Head at Just The News and JustTheNews.com as well as the furthermore pod, just furthermore pod.com. Amanda, thank you and welcome to the program. A lot going on, I'm sure in your world. Yeah, yeah. You know, yesterday is certainly felt like absolute mania

between the shots fired at our cutter air base and then subsequently the ceasefire that I think happened much sooner than anyone anticipated. But today has been a little bit slower, so it was great because it gave me time to come on Dr. Drew. I appreciate you being here. Is that real? The, you know, Trump is always such a salesman.

Did he decide this is what I want, that I'm just gonna say it happened, whether it really did or not? Yeah. I think that President Trump has been aiming for this for a very long time. You know, President Trump comes at it from a perspective outside of the entire political sphere. He comes at it from a place of racism

and from a place of, you know, New York real estate, where sometimes you have to deal with gruff characters, and he has been seasoned and conditioned to deal with people who can be a little bit recalcitrant when it comes to things like this. And quite frankly, whether you're on Israel's side or Iran's side, you have to admit that both sides are recalcitrant, if for no other reason,

a long history of conflict between the two of them So I think that President Trump has been hard conversations, especially with and Yahoo Especially after shots were fired hours after the ceasefire read to but before it was implemented President Trump was visibly visibly angry this morning, you know, President Trump doesn't drop F-bombs that often, which is how I knew that he was absolutely irate about the post-ceasefire agreement shots being fired. Tell me about the former Russian president talking about supplying nuclear type, or at least massive weapons

of some type to the Iranians. Was that real? Was that just trying to disturb the balance of power? I mean, it seems like Putin and Trump communicate and Putin said that crazy, not crazy, but that extraordinary comment about Israel being a Russian speaking country, which was sort of a little bit of a nod for Israel.

It's hard for me to understand what's going on on that side of the continent. Yeah, so I'll give you full transparency. I've seen two different intelligence reports and they directly contradict each other on that. So I don't yet have an answer on the veracity of it, but I've had a hunch for the last 20 hours or so that Venezuela is somehow looped into this conversation.

Venezuela, there are these nations that almost always seem to align Russia with Iran and Venezuela, especially when it comes to oil. And I might be proven wrong, but I just have a hunch that in the next 24 hours, somehow Venezuela is going to be shown to have had a part in this somehow. Is the whole world getting a little tired of this regime? Is there a chance of a regime change or chance of a Supreme Leader change? Or I don't, that all seems like a big black box to me, but what are your thoughts? Yeah, so I was hoping, if regime change is to come,

it will have to come from the Iranian. Now, we have watched over the course of the last 10, 20 years, there have been some uprisings that seemed like they had a little bit of promise. I really thought, Drew, I really thought that taking out these three nuclear facilities, and look, maybe the people of Iran don't know,

it is completely plausible that their government is shielding from them the damage that was done to these three facilities. But I would have thought that in the last 24 hours, we would have seen some early indications of an uprising. I haven't seen that yet. There is still time. I was speaking to Rebecca Grant last night.

She's a CIA analyst and a national security analyst. And she said, you know, there's still time. Sometimes the timetable on these types of uprisings is a little bit more protracted than we would like to see, but I think it's only going to come from within because President Trump, I truly don't think he has any interest whatsoever in forcing the regime.

I'm going to interrupt you. I'm going to interrupt you. I agree, but coming from within still will have support from various people around the world, I'm going to interrupt you. I'm going to interrupt you. I agree, but coming from within still will have support from various people around the world, I'm sure. And let's remember Israel blew the doors off the prison with all the political dissonance in it, right? And so those guys know what's going on

and they're running around. And I'm guessing, we know that Mossad is on the ground there somewhere. I mean, they might be able to create some trouble, it seems. The sad reality is that when it comes to Iran, there is always going to be trouble. Whether it is this regime, whether it is a next regime, the Ayatollah is the religious version

of what they consider to be their supreme leader. And it doesn't matter who fills that role because this is just such a conflicted country. I am not in support of the United States putting boots on the ground. I'm not in support of anything beyond what our involvement has been thus far. I hope that this is a one and done situation. But here's the thing, Bibi Netanyahu, I understand that President Trump and Bibi have a really great relationship. I do wonder if that relationship was tested and maybe even torn a little bit in this scenario, because President Trump put his reputation and his promise to the American people on the line, and that promise came to fruition with the agreement on both sides. What was it? A complete

and total ceasefire agreement. And then Israel, it seems like, was the first to strike. Now we obviously still have to find out intelligence. There are still reports coming in on who actually fired first. But last night before I went to bed, I was hearing reports from people on the ground that the Israelis were firing into Tehran. I didn't hear about Iran firing into Israel before that.

So, you know, Bibi has, I think he's on very thin ice with President Trump at this point. So I know President Trump had a conversation with him and he told him as such. And I hope that Bibi is wise and sticks to it. It's interesting watching the likes of Marjorie Taylor Greene go from,

I'm furious to, okay, all right, good, thank you. A lot of people sort of kind of feel that way. It's interesting. Yeah, it's interesting watching all the factions, diverge and come back together and it's a whiplash indeed. Isn't that great that we're on a side where we agree on so many things, but we can disagree too. I'll tell you what's great.

I was talking to Adam Kroll today about this, which is that when we were young, administrations would come in and do things. They would do a lot of stuff. And it feels like the last 50 years, the bureaucratic stagnation has been such that an administration comes in and they do stuff. It doesn't work.

They can't change direction. It's just, I don't know, it feels like things are being shaken up and we needed it. And that's, HHS is what I think of when I think about that. Because they're doing a lot over there. You may not like all of it, you may have concerns about it, I get it, they're doing stuff. And they're trying to do things to make things better.

I think this new, I knew Dr. Oz was a great placement in that position that he's in over at Medicare and Medicaid because they're starting now to talk about things that really affect healthcare delivery, like the insanity of our insurance system. They're starting to put some of the control back where it belongs, which is in the patient and the doctor. Yeah, you know, Drew, I totally agree.

And I think you and I are probably close to the same generation. And I think that the black of government began with our generation because what we all perceived and what we all noticed anecdotally was that it didn't matter if it was a Democrat or a Republican in office, things never really

felt different. That's right. You're exactly right. We're seeing it within the health sector, we're seeing it in education, we are seeing it obviously in foreign policy. And for Democrats, you would think that after President Trump's first term, when he kept a lot of his promises, kept as many of his promises as he could with all the roadblocks that he experienced, but he makes these promises on the campaign trail and then they act shocked when he tries

to implement these things. He warned you. He told you, you had advanced. Notice that this was going to be happening. But when you have a party that unfortunately Democrats have, they have been reduced to just anything anti-Trump and it is hurting them in ways that I don't think they can imagine. They're not seeing it for themselves.

I saw a clip of Charlemagne the God from earlier today and he was talking to a Democrat congressman from New York and he was talking about all of the ICE things, getting arrested and things like that and he said, I feel like it's performative. And I think so many Americans see it that way because they see what Democrats are doing. And remember, I know you saw the polling leading up to the election. A vast majority of Americans support securing our border and deporting illegals,

and that includes legal Hispanic communities. So Democrats are just not lining up with public opinion, and I can't for the life of me, especially on things like immigration and the trans issue, I can't read the freaking. Yeah, subjectivity has become, has become the supreme expression rather than, and it defies any objective reality.

So subjectivity, discharge of emotion, that's everything. And once that's, you know, resist and yell at the ice and now I'm satisfied, now I've done what I need to do. Like, no, no, no, no, no, we gotta make a difference here. And you're being very kind to say that we're from the same generation. I remember when Kennedy came in, I remember when Johnson came in.

I remember, I remember those. And those were extreme. Those were, yeah, these gray, not blonde. And so those were extreme, you know, very active administration. A lot of stuff was happening. And I remember that. I remember what that felt like.

And it didn't always feel good, but it felt like something was happening. But Amanda, listen, I appreciate you joining us, giving us a few minutes of your time. Where do you want people to go? I gave them a bunch of choices. Amanda Head on X, where else? Amanda Head on, pretty much across all of social media

at Amanda Head and then furthermorepod.com is the website where you can find all of my articles, videos, podcasts, all of that good stuff. So thank you very much. Great, you got it. Good to meet you. Thank you so much for joining us. Good to see you, thanks, bye-bye.

All right, so our next guest is Helen Comparator. You can follow her at CorysCruz.com. I hope that's correct. I don't know if there are other places. We're gonna get more detail where we can watch Helen and support her if you want to. She of course is the wife and now widow of firefighter Cor Cory Comparator.

She's got, there they are, they've known each other since kindergarten and her husband literally took a bullet for the presidency, for President Trump. And I believe she's angry and if she isn't, she should be. So let's welcome Helen to the program. Helen, thank you for being here. You're welcome.

So I have a couple of questions. One is that I guess President Biden reached out to you when this all went down. Was that immediately following the event or only when did people started asking why he didn't reach out? No, he actually reached out the morning after. It was by my FBI agent that was taking care of us for trauma.

She asked if he could call in. And I said no. And President Trump, he has spoken with you. Did you arrange to get Cory's suit to the Republican convention, all that? The firefighters actually did that for me. That was nice. But I was very excited about that.

Yeah. Where are you at now? What are you thinking? What are you angry about? What do you want to do? There's still everybody has lots of questions about that day, but for you, my God, it must be overwhelming. It is. I did finally get to talk to the FBI last week. Dan Bongino actually spoke to me for a long time, and I was so grateful for that. It's the first time in 11 months that I've heard from anybody about anything on this case about my husband.

It's hard to watch your husband die like that and never hear a single word from anybody. Is there anything that Dan Bongino told you that you can share with us to help us understand what they do or don't know about what happened there? They're gonna come out in a couple of weeks to the public and basically... Oh, interesting. The shooter and... So I don't know if that's coincidence or not, Helen, but as soon as we started talking about this, you froze.

So let's try again they're going to come out with it a shooter and it's it's the shooter and nothing else so we we missed most of what you said there so i'm i'm going to fill in the gaps. I think you're saying it was a lone shooter and that was that? Yeah, they're saying it was just the shooter and that.

And did they explain why, and I'm guessing you have these questions too, why they scrubbed his place and dispose of him so quickly and all that nonsense? and dispose of him so quickly and all that nonsense. That sort of looks so suspicious to everybody. Did he explain that, all that? He did. He said that everything was done correctly.

They cleaned that for a purpose, but they did everything correctly. And so were they, did they expect it to be a foreign actor as well? I'm sure they looked through all that, but was that their initial kind of impression? Yeah. It's just awful. So if I were you, I'd be pissed amongst other things

at the press because the rhetoric in the press was so ridiculous that I could see were a delusional young man or a man with young man with You know, who knows what was going on in his head, but he believes he's saving the world from Hitler That's the that's falls squarely on the press as far as I'm concerned Yeah, I mean it was an angry falls squarely on the press, as far as I'm concerned. Yeah. I mean, it was an angry political battle too. I mean, it was just so angry. I just feel like this whole presidential thing

I just feel like this whole presidential thing the entire time, it was just anger between press, between... Drew, she's having some connection issues on Zoom. I see that. Do you want to maybe have her reload the Zoom? Something like that? It's no wonder. Hey, Ellen, hold on one second. I was having trouble with the Zoom.

We really want to hear what you have to say, but we're missing about half of the words because the Zoom connection is pretty spotty. Is there a way that you could just log out and then come back in on Zoom, the same link? Yes. Yeah, because we really want to hear what you have to say. spotty. Is there a way that you could you could just log out and then come back in on zoom the same link? Yes. Yeah, because we really want to hear what you have to say. Right. So we'll bring you right back in.

Okay. Just come right back. Okay. And so Susan, that flies in the face of your theory, right? Oh, well there is, there are conspiracy theories out there. Of course there are. To say that he was hired by a foreign entity. You just heard from a reliable source,

who've heard from a reliable source, that it was a lone shooter. Which makes sense too. Which historically tends to be what presidential assassins are. Why was he on a black stone, is it black stone, black black well?

Black rock. They're going to release this as she was saying, and I'm going to get more details from her when she gets back in here. But it sounds like they're preparing to go public with all this stuff, which would be great. He was seriously mentally ill and, you know, did this.

I don't know that that's necessarily true. And they scrubbed the internet. He had no background. Well, but she just said that that was done for a reason, right? That they scrubbed his internet, they scrubbed his house. There was some purpose for that, Helen. Is that accurate?

Yes. Yeah. And so are they going to tell us all what that was when they start talking about it next week? Okay. Yes, they will. Okay.

And we were talking about the press, really the press in terms of fomenting the anger and the casting a political candidate as the next Hitler. I mean, it only makes sense that somebody would try something to prevent Hitler from taking power. Yes, absolutely. That's what I said. It was just so hyped up, the whole thing. And there was this power driven, you know,

and it makes me very sad, you know, that we were there when someone just decided that it was time to take them out, you know, it was it was the only time. It was the only time. And then the and we also know the Secret Service was sort of not up to their job, at least they weren't being properly do you didanjina tell you anything about that or is that also something that we're gonna learn about? He did not speak about the Secret Service.

He said that that was something he could not speak on, but the Secret Service was an ultimate failure that day. And that is something that just irks me and will haunt me forever, the mistakes that they something that just arks me and haunt me forever. The mistakes that they made that day. Are there actions you're contemplating to achieve some sense of justice for Corey? Absolutely, yes.

What are you thinking about doing? Oh, I have a lawsuit as it is. So. Who is that against? I don't know if I'm allowed to say that or not. Okay, okay. That's fine. Don't say that you don't want to say or can't say it

for sure. Yeah, I just don't want to say anything I don't know. Yeah, I get it. It just feels like there's a lot of possible parties you could go after here. And, you know, now, and we know the media now is, you know, after some of these slander actions that have been successful, this kind of thing seems to me like something that would suit itself to this circumstance. What can we do to honor Corey as it pertains to,

I, he must have been a Trump supporter, which he was at the rally. Are there things that the average person can, huge supporter, okay. Are there things that, that anyone listening or we can do to support his memory that, you know, just sort of, I, you know, they're like, we were just talking with, how, with Amanda, you Amanda, people are splitting apart.

I wonder if there are things that he could offer on your behalf that you could let us know on his behalf that would be unifying, and that we could support his memory at the same time. Yeah, we are having Cory's Cruise on July 12th, and it's our first annual big event for Corey. It's a motorcycle run in the morning, and then in the afternoon we're having a huge concert for him.

We're very excited to have Miss America singing the national anthem to kick things off. And people have just been donating left and right. All our proceeds are going to first responders, churches in need, Doberman Rescue, everything that was so close to Cory's heart and the outpouring has just been amazing. So, The outpouring has just been amazing. So, but we have a website, it's corriscrews.com and you can go on there and see everything on there. Read his story, read our story actually. I'm looking at it as we speak.

It's a beautiful website, congratulations. And there's a foundation you can support there. You can donate them to the mission. Tell me again, what is the mission per se? The mission is to help local responders in our area, but we wanna expand this out. We're hoping that to have one every year and just make this thing so big. But our mission this year was to, you know, I want to fill this place with people and

celebrate Corey's life. Because the last time that we were in a crowd of people, he died a horrible death. And I just want everybody to come and celebrate him and celebrate his life. Because he was such a good man. He was honorable. He was the best husband, the best dad. He was a fireman. He was an excellent worker. He was loved at work and I just want everybody to come and celebrate the man that he was.

And that is going to be in Russellton, Pennsylvania. Is that correct? July 12th is coming up in a week or so, a couple of weeks. Where is Russellton? It's in West Air, Pennsylvania. Okay. I kind of see, I wonder if you should move these around every year, you know, of course this,

this is where you're from, right? In that region where he worked and... Well, not, not really. This is a little out of our area. This is where we felt it was big enough to do where we wanted to do. But, but, oh, here we go again with the connection. It has an eating area, you know, kind of big where we wanted to have, where we wanted to do everything, so. Right, great.

But yeah, it would be nice to move it around. If one were to go, would you go to Pittsburgh and sort of drive, or how would you fly to Pittsburgh? Yeah, absolutely you go to Pittsburgh and sort of drive or how would you fly to Pittsburgh? Absolutely. Fly to Pittsburgh and then drive. Okay. Okay. Oh, there he is.

There's Ivan. Yes. Well, our condolences go out to you and your family and we just, this is a heartbreaking experience and all our followers right now on YouTube and X and Rumble are giving their YouTube and X and Rumble are giving their love and support and hearts. And we really, you know.

We'll go to the website. Appreciate you doing this. loryscruise.com, go and give a little song. Difficult times for you. Thank you. I hope that you get some closure somehow. And I really, I hope that your family you get some closure somehow. And I really, I hope that your family can get through this and our hearts go out to you.

Of course. Thank you. But Helen, the reality is I've dealt with this with people and I hope you're getting help and your kids are getting help, but it doesn't make it go away. Does not. It's learning to live with it as much as anything.

And in a weird way, it can't, how can it go away? It just doesn't make sense, right? But it does decrease with time, it does get better, it does make sense in the sweep of life somehow. It's just in the throes of the acute loss. It's just terrible. It's just, there are no words. There's no platitudes.

There's no nothing. You know nothing. However, there is what most people find is that making sense of things by doing something that makes a difference. So it's why I want to emphasize that for anyone listening, go help Ellen and her family make a difference. That is how they will heal. You're not gonna make them feel better, you can't.

I wish we could, we all would. If we'd hug you, we'd do whatever, but it's just an awful thing but Cory does not have to have died in vain your pain doesn't have to be in vain you can make a difference Your kids, okay There Zoom connection. If anybody wants to donate, you can go to coreyscruise.com and make a donation.

And if you can't go ride motorcycles. Or go to VIP booth or whatever. Yeah, and let's all give her a little help for her time and her support. No, make a difference. We're going to make this make sense somehow. a little help for her time and her support here. No, make a difference. We're gonna make this make sense somehow. And you both are, I understand,

are sort of spiritual people and have faith and faith practices can really help in situations like this, because how do you make sense of this stuff except through failure? And if you're near Russellton, Pennsylvania, July 12th is the date and we hope that if you can go, go. Let me ask this.

I'm going to have an FBI official in here in a minute, former friend of mine, retired FBI officer. Is there anything you want me to ask him that could help you understand anything or it could help you make sense of things? I would just like to hear his take on all this. I'm gonna listen in, cause I wanna hear his take.

You wanna stay with me while I talk to him? Sure. All right, so let's have you stay with us and you can ask your own questions that way. Then you'll think it'll occur to you that it may not occur to me. So let's have you stay with us and you can ask your own questions that way. And you'll think it'll occur to you that it may not occur to me. So let's do this. Let's go ahead and is it okay to take a break now, Caleb?

And then Bobby will be here in about five minutes. Okay, so Corey's crew is where we go. But our next guest is Bobby Chacon. Those of you who know me know Bobby. He's been around everything I've done for quite some time. Follow him on X, Bobby Chacon, C-H-A-C-O-N-F-B-I, Bobby Chacon, quite some time follow him on X Bobby Chacon Chacon FBI Bobby Chacon FBI and Bobby Chacon again, that's CHACON Bobby Chacon.com We're gonna hear now from the people that make this show possible

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He's on the way back, but we had told him it would be a bit later, so he'll be back in just a few minutes. I know, I'm a couple minutes early. So let's get Helen back in. Helen Comparator, her husband, of course, Corey, the firefighter that was killed at the rally in Pennsylvania when it nearly killed the president-elect, Trump.

We want you to go to Corey, C-O-R-E-Y-S, Corey'sCruise.com, or go on the ride with them if you're a motorcycle enthusiast. At least go into Coreyscrews.com and support Helen so she and her family can make a difference and we can rise above whatever this was. Whatever this had to happen, they both are people of faith

and there's a greater plan afoot. And that is always reassuring to think that way. Are you, I asked about your kids and the Zoom froze at that point, are they all doing okay? It froze again. Yes, it did. So Caleb, let me, hang a second.

Helen, go ahead, you're back. The girls are struggling. Yeah, I bet. My oldest is getting married. There's Bobby Chacon. Should I go out and come back in again? Yes, that would be a great idea. I think let's do that again.

Yeah, please do that. Let's do that again because it worked so well for about 10 minutes and then we got in trouble again. So let's do it. And then Bobby, welcome. You can follow Bobby, as I said, on xbobbychaconfbi and bobbychacon.com. And I want to get Helen back in here

because I'm sure you're aware of the particular, at least the large broad strokes of what happened on that day. And I'm wondering if you have questions or you have concerns about the way it went down. I'm also wondering if you have any questions for her in terms of what she heard from Dan Bongino. I don't know if you heard my interview

with her a few minutes ago, but she talked to Dan Bongino and he said, in a couple of weeks, they're gonna go public with everything about this case. And that fundamentally, from his standpoint, they've looked at it carefully and everything was done with purpose for a reason properly in terms of how the body was dispatched,

in terms of cleaning his social media, in terms of cleaning the body was dispatched, in terms of cleaning his social media, in terms of cleaning out his apartment. That was all done with intention for a reason. She's not at her liberty to tell us what that reason is yet, but that Dan Bongino was very comfortable with all that. Did you have concerns about that, Bobby? My main concern was the lack of transparency and the fact that it's taken this long. It seems like this was a long time coming for an investigation that, you know, I did

complex investigations for many years and because there was a lot of overseas contacts with my investigations, it took longer. This seemed like not like that kind of investigation. It seemed like it could have been done quicker and it might've been done quicker, but that just means they held onto the information longer. So that was my main concern. Not that things were done improperly

and I don't know that one way or another, but certainly the holding onto the information and the lack of transparency, from the day it happened till now is what really concerns me. And I'm guessing, Helen, that was a source of pain and frustration for you as well. I mean, more personally, deeply wounding

that your government that may have failed that day were the ones that weren't letting you know what happened. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, why hold? Why did it take this long? Did you ask Bongino that? Hang on a second, Bobby. Did you ask Bongino that?

Did he, and I don't know if you can answer this yet, but did you get satisfaction to that question? Oh no, I did. I asked them and he said it was because they wanted to go over the new coming in, wanted to go over everything that was done before they gave a final answer on what was completed before. And how about the previous administration?

I don't know if she can hear me. I just said I'm grateful for that. I am grateful that they did do that. And the previous administration, were they just wanting it to go away? I feel like that. I really do. So, Bobbi, I'm wondering if that makes sense to you

that the first administration under which this happened was sort of didn't really care so much what happened, just doing their jobs, I'm sure. And the second, this new administration wanted to go over with a fine tooth comb. Well, I mean, first of all, Helen, I want to send my sincerest condolences to you, yourself, and your family,

and your girls. I mean, I can't imagine the horror of your life since that day. Thank you. I can almost assure you that every agent that was involved in the investigation wanted to get to the bottom of it. I spent my entire career, almost 30 years, at the agent work, working level, at the agent level. I did not go into management, I did not write a desk. I always wanted to do the job and go after the bad guys. The concern I have is, you know, Doc,

you asked about the prior administration. I think the FBI was in chaos, I think, a lot of chaos. Even before Trump started running, but certainly once Trump started running and started doing better in the polls, and I think that there was more chaos within the FBI because they didn't know what was coming. And so I'm not using that as an excuse, but I think that chaos at FBI headquarters, by the way, which is where most of the chaos is always comes from, really either slowed

things down or made things more difficult for the agents who were doing the investigation. And I think, you know, again, I go back to this shouldn't have been a difficult investigation, number one. Number two, we didn't think there was many other people involved. So you always have to worry about investigation because somebody could go on the run. Look, this seemed like a single actor. Maybe somebody helped him get the weapons.

Maybe somebody helped him nominally or very minimally in his planning and his execution of it. But it didn't seem like he was part of a cell or a bigger group. So even now, even with the new administration, it's been six months since they've been in power. And I don't think any investigation has been done. I think it should have been certainly wrapped up before they even took the White House. And so reading a file, you know, takes a weekend.

I mean, I used to do that to catch up on a case. If I caught a cold case and it was years old, I would pick up a file, take it home for the weekend and read the whole thing through if it wasn't classified. And so, even if it was a classified, I would go in on the weekends into the office and read it in a skiff or read what I had to do. It shouldn't take you that long.

So I'd be interested in hearing from Bongino and the leadership of the FBI, why it took them six months to realize, and I know they have other things and I know there were other priorities in the FBI as well. But this is one case, it's one case file. It shouldn't have been that thick. You can go over that.

And you know, I would have thought Helen could have been briefed on this case in March or April, you know, some, you know, some much earlier time frame. I don't know why I've still puzzled why, even the American public, but certainly the family hasn't received this information till now. What failures did you see, given what was sort of publicly known, Bobby? Well, I mean, the failures on the Secret Services part were clear, right?

We know that no one should have been able to access that roof. So the Secret Service and the planning of this, and I did planning on the FBI side with Secret Service, had events like the Oscars and the Golden Globes and the Olympics in Salt Lake City. So I know how to, I've worked with the Secret Service on events and planning and security,

and they usually run a pretty tight ship. And so I don't know, the failures were epic in this case. I mean, these were very simple security things that you didn't have to be a very experienced agent to understand that there's a clear line of sight, you know, that roof should have been secured and every other roof around there should have been secured. They should have had drones up.

They should have, you know, there should have been much more, you know, just preparation for security in this environment. Why didn't they? That's where all the conspiracy thinking is coming from. I hate to say it. And I don't know specifically why. I can tell you that sometimes, first of all,

the Secret Service, people don't realize this, but most Secret Service agents don't do protection, right? They're out there in FBI, Secret Service field offices doing things like financial crimes and counterfeiting, things like that, which when the Secret Service moved out of the Treasury Department in 2002, when they formed Homeland Security and went into Department of Homeland Security, they should have left all those financial crimes and things like that behind in the Treasury Department. Secret Service should only be doing protection now.

Every Secret Service agent should be trained and very experienced in protection. They don't do that. So in this case, you had an agent from the Pittsburgh field office who probably doesn't do a lot of protection, was tasked with going out to Butler and doing the preliminary plan. Okay, that's a mistake. You need a person well versed in protection to do that in preliminary plan and then to execute it. And I think that there was some apathy and some, I don't want to call it laziness, but you know, some relaxation on the part of Secret Service. This is a Trump rally in probably Trump territory, you know, a rural county. And it's going to be a love fest for Trump. And it's really probably not going to be, you know, a big threat it's really probably not going to be a big threat.

Well, you can never take that approach in any kind of security. When we do the Olympics, when I've done, and I've done security at two different Olympic games, no stone is unturned. I mean, you go to ridiculous lengths to make sure things are safe, and that's the way Secret Service should always operate.

It's always the way they've operated with me. Whenever I've run into them in presidential protection, I mean, they don't play well with others. That's because they have a protection task and they do it no matter what. I was shocked when I saw the level of dropping of the ball on this, because let me tell you, this wasn't the only lapse.

This shooter was not the only lapse at that event. There were other things that could have allowed even more people to get hurt. And it was just shocking to me because I've never known Secret Service to be this lackadaisical in their protection. And I don't know what the answer is, but I think that more-

What are you referring to? Emphasis. The perimeter, how close people were able to get in without being magnetometered, the lack of communication between the local officers and the Secret Service. I know it's hot on the roof, but that's the way, that's what I would call

that the Salt Lake Lunders, we froze, it was freezing out and we were on top of mountains and in the woods and keeping the games safe. Comfort is not an issue. You know, you, that's what you sign up for. And so, you know, the perimeter was bad. The checking of people in the parking lots were bad. Not having drones up was bad.

You know, we're in 2024 when this happens. We have all kinds of technology to be employed. You know, it's just to me me, it was, it was, I still can't get over it. And, you know, the fact that, you know, Helen's husband lost his life, to me, it's unforgivable. Every person in there was a sitting duck. Every person.

I mean, we're actually very, very fortunate that more people weren't killed. Very fortunate. Yep. Yeah. I mean, actually, we're very, very fortunate that more people weren't killed. Very fortunate. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. I thought when it all happened, I thought we were going to see others because it just,

it was a lot of material flying around in a large crowd. What, uh, Helen, I wonder if you have any other questions for Bobby. I did catch one thing. You said the FBI agent that was in charge, he was one from Pittsburgh, or I'm sorry, the Secret Service. He was from Pittsburgh? She was a female, and she wasn't in charge

of the protection. She was tasked with going out and doing a preliminary kind of site survey, what we call, and that would have included possibly getting overhead pictures and getting the fence perimeter and doing a preliminary report and then reporting that to the protection unit at their headquarters in Washington. And they might have had questions and she might have had to drive back out there and answer some of those questions.

And then the advanced team should have come in a couple of days earlier and made sure everything that she put into her report was accurate. And if something needed to be fixed, you fix it in the days leading up to the event. And that's kind of a double check. So if the person in the field kind of drops the ball and misses something, then you have the actual advance team who are experienced protection agents. They should appear, they should be on the ground

three or four days in advance and make, go over the plan and see if everything is right with the plan and if there isn't, if there's a gap, they have a couple of days to fill that gap and make those corrections. Fine tuning the if as it were apparently none of that happened no it didn't thank you idea I have no idea and then so that yeah this so the Secret Service

does leverage their field agents you know to do that kind of work unfortunately a lot of those field agents are doing other investigations they do financial crimes they do child sex crimes the Secret Service mission to do that kind of work. Unfortunately, a lot of those field agents are doing other investigations. They do financial crimes, they do child sex crimes. The Secret Service mission has kind of grown away from the protection world, and I think that it needs to get back to that. Bobby, back when we last talked about some of the,

you said the chaos that was coming off the, out of the FBI. You were concerned at that time, it was maybe a year and a half ago, that so many of the administrators in the FBI, or the office positions had been held by people who didn't spend sufficient time in the field. Is that still a concern of yours? And is that still something that,

is that something the new administration is gonna take care of? Or do they acknowledge that as a problem? Or where do you see that all going? Or is that still an issue? No, I think it's still a problem, Doc. I mean, we call them blue flameers, and these are people that,

and Andy McCabe was one of them. They come into the FBI just wanting to go up. That's the blue flame. They just wanna shoot straight up to their top. And so they spend the minimal amount of time doing investigations, three, four, five years, and then they raise their hand and go to HIPPI headquarters as a supervisor, then they go back out to the field.

And then you're in that track where every 18 months to two years, you're being pushed out to the field somewhere, then brought back to headquarters, then pushed out. It's hell on the family. And I never wanted to do it. All I ever wanted to do was put bad guys in jail. And so these people that go in and they only have three, four, five years of real investigative experience and let me tell you, it takes you two or three years out in the field to really learn what you're doing.

And then many more years after that, to really learn what you're doing and to go through a major trial and putting people on the witness stand and doing that and working with a prosecutor to really get good at investigations. And these, you know, FBI managers that have kind of done the minimum amount of time and soon as they kind of pass whatever that minimum amount of time is, they raise their hand to go to FBI headquarters.

And then I did it because I wound up working for many people who had much less experience than me, my bosses, their bosses above them. By the time I retired, I mean, all the way up in here in Los Angeles, the top person in the office had less time as an agent than I did. And it was because they have this upward mobility track and Mueller was a big believer of it. He did this, what we call five year up and out, we negotiated to seven. So you couldn't be a supervisor in the field without putting in to go up or then they, that's why it was

up or out. Then you have to step back down to an agent position. So you didn't have a lot of experience at the supervisor level and you still don't. And when I first came in, in the mid 80s, my supervisors had 10, 15 years, what we call on the desk as supervisors in that area, they were experts in it, they could mentor people like me, they could pass on their experience to people like me.

By the time I had 10 years, maybe 15 years in the bureau, all my chain of command had less time than I did. And so they couldn't mentor me anymore, not that I needed mentoring, but they couldn't necessarily provide me with any guidance as they should, because they didn't have the experience to do that. And so I think that's the biggest change I saw

during my career, which spanned from the mid-80s to 2014. And Robert Mueller was very big on making the old timers move out of those upper-echelon positions and giving new blood. And you saw this whole wave in the 90s kind of move straight up to FBI headquarters and upper-echelon executive positions in the FBI. And I tell you, every time I see executive positions in the FBI. And I tell you, every time I see an FBI leadership person get into trouble, it's one of those kinds of people. The SAC in Indianapolis, for example, who basically pushed aside the abuse, the sexual abuse of those Olympic athletes that was being reported to the FBI in Indianapolis. And he was trying to retire and get a job with the United States Olympic Committee. So he pushed the aside and Larry Nassar was,

and Larry Nassar was abusing all these, and then they finally took, you know, a year and a half later at the FBI in Los Angeles picked up the case, but it was cause this SAC was allowed to retire then and he didn't get the job, but he actually pushed the investigations aside and Nassar was able to abuse even more people. the that's the nepotism that happens up at the top Echelon in both FBI field offices FBI headquarters and people like me. I know just get tired of it

Well, I don't people also sort of tired of the weapons weaponization of the FBI But I don't know if you have anything to say about that, but that and that's what cash Patel sort of opening anything to say about that. But that's what Cash Patel's sort of opening line was. You know, you want to see somebody the FBI has been weaponized against, you're talking to them. Is that going to change? Is that something that we can look forward to? The DOJ, it feels like they're lining up with the FBI a little more carefully or justly, let's say. Yeah, well, I think that, I think you hit it right on the head there.

DOJ, you know, since Mueller took over in 2001, we had a succession of career DOJ lawyers. Mueller was a DOJ lawyer. And then Comey was a DOJ lawyer. And then Christopher Wray was a DOJ lawyer. So since 2001, which is 24 years, the FBI has been run by DOJ lawyers. We don't need DOJ lawyers.

We need law enforcement people. We need people who are either career FBI people who knew how to do an investigation or someone from the outside law enforcement world, the Bill Bratton, somebody like that. So these Justice Department lawyers, Mueller, Comey, Ray, have really subjugated the FBI and made it kind of a DOJ tool, if you will, to go after.

DOJ is much more political than the FBI. And so people got kind of tasked with doing things that they should never have done by career DOJ people. And when each of these directors came over from DOJ, they brought their kind of in, you know, inner circle with them. And so the FBI for 24 years until Cash Patel took over was basically being run by these DOJ lawyers, which I think is a recipe for disaster at the FBI. Do you have something particular in mind when you're referencing these sort of cases?

We lose our independence. If you look at the Jack Smith investigation, if you look at the investigation of the January 6th people, they blanketed everything in a political context. And that was all run by DOJ, tasked by DOJ. So I think of the January 6th investigation, and just like this case, the Butler case, the lack of transparency comes from DOJ. I don't know why and I've never been able to figure out the 7th Florida FBI headquarters,

which is where all those executives sit. But we used to call it the puzzle palace because nobody could figure quite out the decisions that the FBI made. I mean, there's still people that believe that, you know, 9-11 or at least one of the four planes could have been stopped on 9-11 if the FBI headquarters had listened to FBI Minneapolis and FBI Phoenix, both of whom raised concerns about people from the Middle East taking flight lessons here in the U.S. without wanting to learn how to land. And so, you know, the FBI executives at headquarters were risk averse and didn't want to go up on wiretaps on Muslim people here in the US without wanting to learn how to land. And so, you know, the FBI executives at headquarters were risk averse and didn't want to go up on wiretaps on Muslim people in fear of

being labeled Islamophobic and things like that. So you've had a history of people at FBI headquarters who have been kind of very beholden to DOJ and to the lawyers there. Now DOJ again is much more political because with every administration, the DOJ kind of changes hands. So when the Republican is in, DOJ is run by Republican lawyers. And then when the Democrats get in, those same lawyers kind of leave,

go to white shoe law firms in DC run by Democrats. And then they wait their turn till another Democratic president comes in, then they all get their jobs back at DOJ. And it just flip flops that way. So the DOJ is always much more political than the FBI. You run your whole career in the FBI. Like I did, you do 20, 25, 30 years for the same agency. You don't flip-flop. We can't leave and come back. So yeah, so I think that the January 6th, certainly there

was some people that needed to be prosecuted on January 6th. Certainly there were many people that didn't need to be prosecuted that were for their activities on January 6th. So I think that that was probably the most politically driven investigation other than some of the obviously ones aimed at Trump, which never went anywhere. I think that those kind of things, Crossfire Hurricane, which was you know, was an Andy McCabe thing. So yeah, so I call it Misfire Hurricane because obviously nothing ever came of it. There was no proof there ever.

There were people lying to the FISA court and things like that. So yeah, those are the investigations that I think of, but there are probably more. As a member of the voting public, it feels awful to hear about our government doing stuff like that. It really just disgusting. But Bobby, I'm going to let you go. I want to talk to Helen a little more. Where can people find you? Where do you want them to go?

BobbyChacon.com is my website. Also I'm on X, BobbyChaconFBI on X and on all the other social medias that's usually my handle is BobbyChaconFBI. All right, my friend. I have a question for Bobby. Oh, go ahead. Susan.

So this is running through my head. So it's been 11 months since this happened and Helen's just getting word from the government. And what I'm thinking is all the people I remember, I'm barely remembering what went on. Like they're dragging it out so that we don't remember it. And it's not on our most recent newsfeed. It's just kind of like, oh, well, here we go.

It kind of gets swept under the rug over time. But with the new administration, you bring in all new people. They probably fired half those people that were there before and now they have a new group of people that are in there that are more Republican worthy at this point. So do you think that the fact that we changed presidents may have slowed down the process

and maybe they are trying to make it go away a little bit and not be, we're all questioning who this person was, who tried, he lived, so, you know, that's great, but that's not great for Helen. You know, the only thing she can do is Sue at this point. Oh, even Trump lived. Yeah, he lived. I mean, it's, but I'm just like,

I just don't trust anything anymore. Like I don't, I'm so pessimistic. And I believe that, you know, Helen has the right to be angry and get all the truths, you know, but- Absolutely, and that's why I even question, I even question the current administration on why it's taken this long to brief Helen. I mean, I don't know why that didn't take place in March

or February, March, February, April, whatever. I mean, it should have been done, the file was probably closed, not closed, but the file was probably completed. They probably did all the work that they needed to do last year. I mean, there wasn't, this is not a complex investigation. You do a background, you go into this guy's background,

you look at all this, everything. And that could have been done certainly in a couple of months. And so I would have thought by the fall, they would have had all this information. Now, why they didn't make it public, I don't know. And then again, when the new administration, when Cash Patel took over and Bongino got in there, I don't know why they've waited this long. Again, I know they've got a lot on their plate, you know, counterterrorism and, you know, a lot

of other things, but that wouldn't have taken a lot of time. And it wouldn't have taken a lot of manpower. It would have taken, you know taken two or three people to go in there, completely reread the investigative file. If there was one or two things that were missed, they could have kind of done those things through phone calls or interviews. And that's it. And then present the findings to the family.

I'm interested to see what then, Bongino comes out with in a couple of weeks, but I'm more interested in why it took this long to come out with it. Any response, Helen? I'm going to feel the same. I want to read the report. That zoom.

It's always fine right until she speaks and then it cuts out on her connection. Oh, did I cut out? I'm sorry. No, no, it's all, it's a zoom. I'm just getting paranoid. It's a zoom issue. It's not on your side.

Somebody's, somebody's, Bobby, can you, do they have technology to do that, Bobby? Can they silence her in the middle? Every time, every time the zoom user tries to speak. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if they're, yeah. I don't know. When I talk, they sometimes try to shut. Yeah, I don't know if they're, yeah, I don't know.

When I talk, they sometimes try to shut me down, but. It is a very strange coincidence. It's gotten to the, I believed it was just like computer glitching coincidences, but it seems to happen every time we have a Chinese, you know, CCP dissident on. We have someone that comes on to speak and it's like everything works totally fine.

Then we go live and suddenly nobody can hear him. Yeah. What's weird is I've been listening to you guys the whole time and it hasn't stopped. That's so strange. Right. Right. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, yeah.

Somebody's watching. All right, Bobby, thank you so much. Bobby's also coming in on the same zoom and look how clear his connection is. Yeah, I know. It's so strange. Well, I know. It's so strange that they. I just hope that you've learned something from this and it makes you angrier and we can get some answers.

And maybe once we do get the answers, I would like to see Helen come back and tell us, I don't know if she can really say everything right now, but if she can, you know, there's been a now, but if she can, I, you know, there's been a lot of time, water under the bridge, you know, for things to be scrubbed and things to be hidden. And, you know, if that was the case, it bothers me. But, you know, I want people to remember this and get mad because it really was unfortunate

that this could have happened and that we, I need Helen to have closure and also know that she's done everything she can to get what she needs to move forward. And make a difference. Yeah. Make it make sense. I'm on your team. I donated some money and so you,

hopefully that'll make your event go better. We appreciate you so much for sharing your story. And I know that, as a mother, it must be terrifying for you to have to go through this. And my thoughts are with you. And I wish you- Helen, I think you rocked Susan. She's trying to kind of keep it together,

but I can tell that she's struggling, right? I always wondered who was there and what happened. I didn't really hear the whole story. So yeah, I'm glad you came forward. It's hard when you have your kids traumatized by watching such a horrific event happen. Yeah, and I'm here with you. We're here to help.

I would like people to go to the website if you can donate a little bit and help her with what she's going to do for the future and make this not happen ever again. We strangely, Helen, this may or may not feel a little better, I don't know, but we ran into the wife of a member the other night at the restaurant where I was telling you that there was something horrific that happened

and really horrific stuff. Oh yeah, that was weird. And the daughter who was the last surviving member of the group has become this incredibly talented therapist and has been able to help many, many other people and has been able to process and make sense of, and again, it never goes away, but he can be a source of meaning.

I love that. So she's a grief counselor? She's a therapist, and she helps people with. So she's a grief counselor? She's a therapist and she therapy, she helps people with trauma. That's what she does. And apparently is incredibly talented. Yeah. And so that was the last family I had dealt with personally

where we're getting them through something that's just like, I could run into the. I mean, again, my condolences and, you know, I think you said your daughter's getting married soon and she's getting married two weeks after the anniversary. I know it's so hard to say congratulations under these kind of circumstances, but I know like I lost my brother eight weeks ago now. He was my best friend and tragically killed and taken from us violently about eight weeks ago and very unexpected. and tragically killed and taken from us violently about eight weeks ago. Really?

Very unexpected. He was retired in YPD and he was riding his motorcycle and a young girl just ran him over and we got the call in the middle of the night. You don't feel like you're never going to be happy again. No. And my brother and I were supposed to grow old together. And yeah, so, you know, my sincerest condolences to you and the kids, but congratulations on the wedding and you know, and that's all I wanted to say.

It's a very difficult time. Live and live the way he would want you to live. Really, it's a lot of what has to happen here. And then the rest of us need to support them. So go to Corey's crews and help them continue this. Okay, I'll let you both go. I appreciate you being here, Bobby, and helping me with this difficult case.

And Helen, coming forward, I know how hard it is, but I think it's really important. And it'd be part of your healing is being out there with this. So we're all here for you. If you need an outlet, we are here. Whatever we can do. I think all of us, Susan, Bobby, me,

are here to support you and your family. So let us know, okay? Thank you so much for having me. Of course. And Bobby, great to see you as always. And we'll no doubt talk soon, okay? Thank you. Amen. Okay. All right, man.

Okay, so that's intense. I did not know about Bobby's brother and I'm not burying the lead here. So coming up tomorrow, let's see if we can get those guests up here and talk about where we're going tomorrow. Joe Allen and Peter McCullough, Dr. McCullough give us an update on all the work

he's doing on long COVID and long vaccine. I've not seen the sort of protocol for what we're gonna talk to Joe Allen about, but I know that Emily Barsh was very excited about his appearance. Pay attention on Thursday, we're going to stream at 10 a.m. Pacific time. Professor Sam Venkin is a physicist, psychologist,

who's come up with a really interesting construct on the direction that human personalities have trended and what that all means for us. John Caldwell, to talk about his institute, he lost his half, his brother of seeking a violent crime. And he now has an institute to try to address that. He, that's his way of making sense of and making a difference from tragedy.

And Jenny McCarthy is on for the 17th that she had to cancel last time, but I know she won't let us down too many times. So, I knew she won't. She may let us down one more time, but that would be it, I guarantee you. Do you still want to apologize to her? I have to remember about what I want to apologize about.

Apologies for not taking her vaccine concerns more seriously. Now we're all looking at World War III. There's so much going on. We appreciate our guests today. Appreciate Susan, you helping out here, and Bobby and Ellen, and of course, Amanda, that was really interesting hearing from the White House.

So let me look at what you guys are up to. Oh, July 3rd, we got Michaela Peterson set up. That's great. We're trying to get Jordan too. Wow. Yeah, it's been a while since we've talked to Michaela. Well, she'll probably cancel too. No, don't, how dare you.

She did last time. Well, you know what? She was on a couple, a few since we've talked to Michaela. Well, she'll probably cancel too. No, don't, how dare you. She did last time. Well, you know what? She was on a couple, a few years ago, like three years ago. Well, we're not too far out. As long as that, I think. The problem is when we book like a month in advance, you get closer to dates and things just happen, you know,

and it's like, okay, can't make it. I understand, it happens to us, you know, we do that sometimes. Yeah. That's why I don't want to get crushed, you know, we get too pissed at anybody because I know I'm guilty of the same. And it's, you know, everyone's always asking everybody

to be on each other's shows all the time. And we were thinking about going to Paris for a few days and we're kind of changing our mind now, we're a little concerned about these crazy stuff going on in the world. I don't know if you saw this, Caleb, the syringe attacks. I saw that.

A hundred people stabbed by syringes. Mostly women. That was young women, and that was deeply concerning. A syringe can puncture a lung, it can hit an artery, it can transmit hepatitis C and HIV, God knows what. I think it was younger women though, so not too worried. Well, whatever it was, the whole thing was deeply disturbing. We would be there around Bastille Day

and that would be, mm-hmm. There is another psychologist I wanna talk to who's French. If she speaks English, I'm not sure, but she also has been talking about the perversion of the human psyche and the perversion of our political system. I use the word, she uses that word perversion very smartly.

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