Ask Dr. Drew - Naomi Wolf Warns: Fertility Crisis As US Birth Rate Hits Record Lows w/ Amy Alkon – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 488

Episode Date: June 1, 2025

An alarming Spanish study found vaccinated pregnant women with COVID-19 had a 13.3% miscarriage rate, compared to 4.5% for unvaccinated women. Is this a cause of the declining birthrate in the USA? A peer-reviewed study in BMC Pregnancy and Childbirth examined 156 pregnant women with COVID-19 from 2020-2022. Of the 45 vaccinated women, 13.3% miscarried, compared to 4.5% of the 111 unvaccinated women. Most miscarriages in the vaccinated group occurred in the first or second trimester, raising concerns about mRNA safety. Experts like Naomi Wolf and Nicolas Hulscher call for revising public health guidance on COVID-19 vaccines for pregnant women, citing potential reproductive harms. U.S. birth rates have declined since 2019. The general fertility rate was 58.3 births per 1,000 women aged 15-44 in 2019, dropping to 56.1 in 2022 and 54.5 in 2023, a record low. Total births fell from 3.7 million in 2019 to 3.59 million in 2023, a 2% decline from 2022. Naomi Wolf, Ph.D., is an independent journalist, co-founder, and CEO of DailyClout.io. She edits The Pfizer Papers and authored Facing the Beast and War Room / DailyClout Pfizer Documents Analysis Volunteers’ Reports eBook. More at https://x.com/naomirwolf and https://naomiwolf.substack.com Amy Alkon is an investigative science writer and author of Going Menopostal available at https://amzn.to/43xREW7. A former President of the Applied Evolutionary Psychology Society, she has given multiple TED talks and provides behavioral science-based mediation. More at https://x.com/amyalkon and https://amyalkon.net 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • ACTIVE SKIN REPAIR - Repair skin faster with more of the molecule your body creates naturally! Hypochlorous (HOCl) is produced by white blood cells to support healing – and no sting. Get 20% off at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/skinrepair⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

And so we will get another update from the one only Naomi Wolf. She of course is an independent journalist, co-founder and CEO of daily clout.io. She edited the Pfizer papers authored facing the beast. She has been spot on in her focus of protecting women from some of the excesses of COVID. I needed to apologize to her for my sexism and my hubris. I'll bring it up again. I'm happy to apologize and apologize and admit where I got something wrong.

And that is where I got something wrong. Amy Alcon will join us. She's also an investigative science writer, author of Going Metapausal and Un-F-U-C-K-ology. Perhaps better as the president of the Applied Evolutionary Psychology Society. I look forward to talking to her about all that. So we've got a lot to get into and some breaking news

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also amyalcon.net. Naomi is on X as Naomi R. Wolf and also on Substack, Naomi Wolf. And X, you can also follow the Daily Cloud, just one word, Daily Cloud, at Daily Cloud on X. Let me open with this brief video from the Maha folks. It's Marty Makari, R.F.K. Jr., and I think Jay Bhattacharya. Let's hear what they have to say about the COVID vaccine.

I couldn't be more pleased to announce that as of today, the COVID vaccine for healthy children and healthy pregnant women has been removed from the CDC recommended immunization schedule. Last year, the Biden administration urged healthy children to get yet another COVID shot, despite the lack of any clinical data to support the repeat booster strategy in children.

That ends today. It's common sense, and it's good science. There's no evidence healthy kids need it today. And most countries have stopped recommending it for children. We're now one step closer to realizing President Trump's promise to make America healthy again. And please welcome for this conversation on Naomi Wolf. Good afternoon, young lady.

So if any, if Naomi should suddenly get up and run out of the room, there's actually a reason for that. So I don't want to over, I don't want to over dramatize, but there's wild animals circulating around where she is right now. So we want to make sure she's able to escape. So no one should bat an eye, an eyelid if they see you get up and run.

But first of all, what do you think about this new, this new move by HHS Secretary Kennedy? Well, unfortunately, I hate to be a Debbie Downer once again because if it really did what it purports to do, it would be a very happy day. There's so much abundant evidence that I've shared with your audience over and over that you've broken with other investigators showing that these mRNA injections are sterilizing there.

They can be deadly. They cause catastrophic side effects. And Pfizer knew, the FDA knew, we broke a story in 2023 that was subject to the Senate hearing, though not fully credited, unfortunately, showing that there was a cover-up at the highest levels of signals of myocarditis back in March of 2021. So it's high time for a real announcement like this. However, unfortunately, Sasha Latopova looked at what was really happening and other researchers who have checked have also looked at what was really happening. is kind of cosmetic. As of four o'clock today, children six months and older and pregnant women were still on the CDC schedule A.

B, even if that's just an oversight and the CDC schedule gets updated correctly, it's been an oversight of over 24 hours. If you listen to what RFKF.K. Jr. said, they're carving out that they're not gonna recommend it. That doesn't mean that they've taken it off the market. They're not gonna recommend it for healthy children or pregnant women.

Well, what's the health? Let's stop with that because there's an interesting thing here you and I have never discussed. And I'm not quite sure what to do with it, which is when the government takes away tools that physicians want to use, even when they're dangerous, believe me, this happens more than you would imagine.

Like even, let's just look at Vioxx, okay? Vioxx is a very similar story to the vaccine story at Pfizer, incidentally. Would you agree with me on that? I mean, far less lethal for fewer. Oh yes, but similar story, right? And they had to pay billions of dollars, restitution stuff.

The Vioxx caused heart attacks in eight people, something like that. Vioxx was an extraordinarily effective medication. I have patients to this day that have never been the same since they withdrew Vioxx from the market, who would have gladly taken the risk of a heart attack if Pfizer had divulged to me that that was a risk, and I was able to offer that to the patient and say,

hey, you know, it's really making you better, but it could shorten your life. I'll try to mitigate that to the patient and say, hey, you know, it's really making you better, but it could shorten your life. I'll try to mitigate the risk with various interventions, but we don't know exactly the mechanism, but it causes heart attacks. My patients would have gone for it and their lives would have been dramatically, and I mean dramatically enhanced.

And the government took that away from me. How do we, and that's what I worry about here. I don't have any problem with people taking away the COVID vaccine. I have no issue with it, but the government screws with medicine in both ways when they restrict and demand date and obfuscate and don't give us the real data.

I mean, on all fronts, they screw us up by just not giving us the data and then letting us practice medicine. Yeah, I totally hear you. They should give you the data. They should properly test medicines until they're actually safe and efficacious. But respectfully, in this case, that's not what's happening on multiple levels.

A, unfortunately, R.F. K. that's not what's happening on multiple levels. A, unfortunately, R.F.K. Jr. isn't even taking it away from anyone and the idea that he would allow a child who's immunocompromised to have an injection that damages immunity further or a child with cardiac problems, give that child an injection that causes cardiac problems, which, you know, a story we broke in 2023,

that just doesn't make any sense at all. And yet that's the statement that these three men were making. The other, so they're not they're not removing it, right? That's kind of smoke and mirrors. It's optics. It's, it's a head to say settle down. But let me speak to your very legitimate concerns, you know, should the government take away a medicine? These injections are not a medicine. They were released after like 10 months of internal testing via not through the normal FDA testing mechanism of a new vaccine takes 10 to 15 years.

They were released with an emergency use authorization. Pfizer got the emergency use authorization by fudging the data, you know, taking away the bodies of eight vaccinated people with COVID who died so that they could falsely claim that you're better off with the injection. And also, you should know if you don't that the injection material that reached the marketplace is not the same formula. It's not the same product as the material that's given. You, it was a bait and switch.

So in no, like it's not even a medicine and it's not what they said it would be. And then lastly, the whole thing about we're going to let, you know, sick kids have it and pregnant women, cause that's a high risk category still have it is so perverse because, um, it doesn't work to stop COVID, right? And Pfizer- Well, let's start, again, I want to interrupt you as you throw a lot of stuff out. I want to make sure people hear every little detail

of what's behind what you're saying. So I recently have had several patients that took the vaccine within days to weeks, or even a couple months even, the booster, of getting COVID, bad COVID, had zero effect, zero. And to all those patients, zero. And I didn't encourage them, people still get the boosters.

I don't, you know, the people are entitled to do that if that's what they want to do. And older people are very likely. Well, here's what I tell them. Here's what I tell them. I don't know what we're doing. I don't know what you're doing. I've seen now multiple cases.

It's at best, this is a booster against a variant that no longer exists. It's no longer around. And then people go, well, decrease the hospitalization. Peter Hotez went on a tirade yesterday on social media about reducing hospitalizations. And I went to the data. Look, I try to be very uncertain about things.

I want to look at everything. I try not to be hubristic about any of this because that's how I got in trouble with you. I was sexist and I was hubristic and I was not listening. So I tried to, that was one of the experiences I got that gave me a little bit of, you know, sort of put the brakes on my hubris. And lo and behold, it was data again from Delta,

from a disease that does not exist right now. It does not exist. And I think somebody must have pointed that out because later in the day he went, don't worry, there will be a terrible variant of COVID coming. And then when people went, really, why? Because it was all manufactured in the lab,

are they manufacturing more stuff? Then he went, oh, it's climate change. People are going to be coming more contact with bats because they're moving closer to humans because of climate change, because of climate change. And I thought, wow, this, we're twisting ourselves. I, and the continued exposure to spike protein, you continued to focus on data from a disease

that doesn't exist. This is very troubling stuff. I didn't know what to do with it. Well, you've got to keep correcting the record and correcting the record as you know, you so nobly do. And with this claim, your poor patients saying, you know, they heard the propaganda repeated over and over, you're more likely to be hospitalized and die if you're not vaccinated or if you

don't get the booster. Well, again, you now know because I told you and you can look it up in the Pfizer papers, the only way they got to that number was by illegally concealing what happened to a bunch of people who died with COVID and boosters or the injections. So it's a fake sound. And let's not forget, let's not forget, the part that really stunned me of the Pfizer studies is that they excluded

the first two weeks after vaccination. Are you aware of this? What Freiman put, I'm sure you are. Yeah, I am. That exclusion is so- So if you pass out and you die, if you're- Sorry, go ahead. That's incredible.

That's when shit goes down. That's when it happens. It's like excluding, it's like wow. So that to me was one of the most dramatic observations, even though there's many others. There are so many, add to that the Shimopacuru study that proved that it was safe for pregnant women, they cut off following the babies two weeks

after they were born, whereas a lot of, as you know better than I, a lot of problems surface more than two weeks after a baby is born. It's all disgusting. Look, it's all totally disgusting, but why are we even talking about this? Dr. Drew, at this point we've got, we fought hard to get R.F.K. Jr. to where he is,

head of HHS, my beloved friend, whom I respect so much, Jay Bhattacharya is now head of the NIH. There's Marty McCurry at FDA. And they're making a nonsense statement for pure optics on X, not even on the website, not even updating the actual schedule so you can check it and see that what they're saying

really happened. It hasn't happened. And even if it did happen, they had some lawyer draft such a legalistic wording of what they were saying that people are celebrating on X to allow them to keep giving this to sick kids. What's a sick kid? A kid with allergies, a kid with asthma, who isn't a sick kid? One of the, you know, 30% overweight kids, that's a sick kid, right? Kid with prediabetes, you're gonna keep giving this to those kids, which is insanity.

And it's really like, if you zoom right out, it's kind of eugenics. I mean, I'm sorry, but to give sick kids something they know will make kids sicker, what's the logic of that? It's murderous logic. There's, I'm sorry, like, I can't believe I spent three years fighting the last regime, and now people who are our friends and our nominees are doing something so immoral

and so, like, damaging to the nation's children and pregnant women. What the heck? Well, I'm glad you were the champion warrior on these fronts. And I'm always grateful you're there. Well, let me soften that a little bit and just say, look, one of the things I'm noticing is that how government functions is sort of pathetic.

You know, Doge goes in and gives a trillion dollars of cuts and they actualize, you know, none of them are not nearly enough or whatever. I don't understand. And this feels like the same kind of thing to me where I don't know what they have to go through to change a couple of words on a CDC website, but my suspicion is it's more than you and I imagine.

And that is disgusting, I agree with you. And in the meantime, maybe people are hurt, I don't know. But even worries being- Oh, I know, I know, you know, come on, Dr. Drew, you very rightly apologize to me for getting it totally wrong on the menstrual issue. Good for you. I've forgiven you long ago.

But there's no gray area at this point. I'm not going to let you say there's gray area. I'm not going to let Marty McCurry say there's gray area. You know, there's 500 pages of text in the two Pfizer books showing that there is no gray area. He doesn't need any more data. It has been thoroughly proven from Pfizer's own documents that this is a murderous injection. People are not just going to get hurt, they're going

to kill children. And that injection is an abortifacient. It causes miscarriages. There's a section in the Pfizer paper where 82% of the pregnancies that they followed in that section, not of the whole denominator, but of the pregnancies that they followed in that section, not of the whole denominator, but of the pregnancies that they followed, over 80% of the women lost their babies. And now we know how it works. In the Pfizer documents, there's a pregnancy and lactation report showing two babies dying in utero,

and Pfizer concluded it was due to maternal exposure to the vaccine. So no, there is nothing okay about what RFK Jr., Jay Bhattacharya, Marty McCurry have rolled out. There's no justification. There's no gray area. These have to be taken off the market now. And you're not gonna have any less in your toolkit

to work with as a doctor, because these aren't medicines. And Jim Thorpe has been ringing the bell about when the vaccine is given and which trimester we look at and how the data changes quite a bit when you look at the first trimester, if I remember right, or something of that order.

Is that correct? I haven't followed the latest thing he said. He was in Congress talking about it, but let me just explain to you my, what's the word I guess. Can I just jump in there too? Because something kind of not great is happening right now, which is, you know, I used to be a political consultant to the Clintons and to Al Gore, and it was some time ago, but the vortex of power does have a profound effect on people's

conclusions, you know, and I'm not talking about Dr. Thorpe right now, but certainly people who are in the administration, right? They're not telling the truth right now. And what I'm going to say is that however you parse, you know, the trimesters, and I don't know what Dr. Thorpe, you know, testified, I just know that he used, again, without our attribution, our work of over 80% miscarriage rate in one section of Pfizer documents. All around the world, Dr. Drew, there's a dramatic drop in live births, and not just from one source.

So Igor Chudov looked, a mathematician looked at multiple government databases throughout the Western world, 13 to 20% drop in live births. We, Amy Kelly, especially, investigated a data set from the province in Canada, government data, a 20% drop in live births. And there's just been a study now out of the Czech Republic showing a 30% greater likelihood of losing your baby if you're vaccinated versus unvaccinated. So these are multiple signals. I was just in Iceland, they're they have 500 missing babies a year now, you know, it's been calculated in Western Europe, it's a million missing babies, birth rates are collapsing. And I look back, I

just tweeted, you know, urging people to watch this show. It's so painful to look back at the clips from of you and me talking in 2022, in which I was saying, you know, this is going to be a catastrophe. And here we are, it is a catastrophe. So these men respectfully, they are mostly men saying, you know, splitting hairs, I mean, respectfully to you, right, you're a guy, like, it is hard enough to, you know, conceive, gestate, deliver a healthy living baby. And anything that makes it more difficult, people are going to burn in hell for putting that obstacle in the way of women who just want to have healthy children and families

who want to have healthy children. So I'm just saying, like, I do not want to get hung up on the trees for the forest all around us, birth rates are collapsed. You just, that last piece about burning in hell is you just articulated something that breaks through sexism, right? Because I don't think a male would ever say those words. And I think everyone should, I don't think,

not the way you did, that to be able to defend women and motherhood with that level of intensity requires a female. And men's need to quietly listen when that's being expressed. Which is why I just want to explain my two heads. Go ahead. Again, I would go further. I would flip again I would go further I Would flip it around I would say not being a woman

allows someone to split hairs about something so Incredibly serious. Yes. Yes, correct. That's exactly correct. I would go further still It's not my job to say hey, wait a minute world You're butchering babies and you're giving them an injection that's going to kill them in utero. I need these men to back us up. The women have been screaming about this for a long time and a few men have been screaming about it too. But right now we need those guys.

We helped to elect Marty McCurry, Jay Bhattacharya, RFK Junior, President Trump, you, right? To say, you know, red alert, red alarm alert world, women are losing their babies. You know, the birth rates are collapsing, something terrible is happening. We have to take action. And just again, just, you know,

why I was wishy washy is that I have two heads. One is, geez, in medicine, things are so complicated. I don't want to get put too, you know, put too hard of a bet down when I'm, you know, things can change, whatever. And then I know my friend Naomi Wolf and I am well warned not to in any way disagree with anything coming from my direction.

From your direction. I mean, you can refuse me, but I brought you all the evidence we have, the mechanisms. No, I know, I know, I understand. We know how it works. I get it. It belongs to both of you.

I know, and you brought me that data when I was being dismissive, and I get it, and I'm with you, and it's why I'm not pushing back at all. I'm on your team. I'm team Naomi Wolf, but- Team ovaries. I also- I know, team ovaries, that's right. Team baby.

I just need you to be on team baby. Team baby. And at very minimum, if the birth rates, live birth rates are dropping, much like the obesity rates going up and the autism rates going up, these things need to be explained. We need to ask questions

and people need to have opinions about it. And if the opinions, if the autism rates going up, these things need to be explained. We need to ask questions and people need to have opinions about it and if the opinions, if the data suggests something serious, we should be exercised about that. There should be drama. We should be really, really worried about it. Confirmed something serious just for the record. It confirms, it's all the data is in. We know the mechanism, we know how it's impairing uteruses,

causing placentas to go flat, to not have blood vessels that are bringing oxygen to the baby. Exactly, maternal death rates are up 40%. We know everything, we know all about it now. And the time for action is past. So that's why I keep repeating this and repeating this on this platform. Any platform that will have me,

it is a horrific disappointment. It's more than a disappointment, it's really wiping out a generation for RFK Jr. to do what he did, and he needs to course correct right. What do you make of people who take issue with the data that you're presenting that have different points of view or feel like I've been practicing,

people like, what was her name, Miles, the British woman, that feel that, yeah. What do you make of that data and why aren't they looking at your data? I mean, you'd have to bring me the specific The specifics, yeah. Criticism, like most recently, first of all, that particular report

about the miscarriage rate from the Pfizer documents, it came out in 2023. And Dr. Corey looked at our math, at the volunteers' math and confirmed it and wrote an essay backing us up and confirming that this was the correct reading. And it's very simple. Pfizer had 270 pregnant women, even though they told women not to get pregnant in the trials. They lost the records of 234 of them, which is illegal, as you know, in a trial. They followed 36 of them to term, and out of the 36, over 80% lost their babies. So it's a small group, granted, but, you know, they lost their babies, and we don't know what happened to 234

of them. It could have been even more lost their babies. Like why were those records lost? But we also know, like it's a group of evidence points, we also know from the Pfizer documents that Pfizer told men not to have intercourse with women of childbearing age without using two reliable forms of contraception, which you know, it's a lot more than men usually use even, you know, after picking someone up at a bar. So there was, Pfizer knew that there was something dangerous to either women or zygotes or fetuses from the semen of vaccinated men. They still don't disclose what that is. They, Pfizer defined exposure to the injection as including body fluids, including semen. So that's a data point, right? And we also know that in the eight-page Pregnancy

and Lactation Report, which went to the White House on April 20th of 2021, there are these two babies who die in utero, and Pfizer says the cause of their death is maternal exposure to the vaccine. We also know the mechanism, right? It's not just what's in the Pfizer documents. Two independent midwives separately sent me pictures of placentas that are impaired by the spike protein and the lipid nanoparticles. We also know, and you can look this up on the NIH database, it's peer-reviewed,

we've known since 2017 that lipid nanoparticles traverse every membrane in the human body with a negative impact on human reproduction. They traverse every membrane, the placenta is a membrane, right? They accumulate in the ovaries. We know that from Dr. Robert Chandler's analysis of the bio-distribution in the Pfizer documents, which confirms a Japanese study from the year before, which was broken on the White Black Horse podcast by Brett Weinstein and Steve Kirsch, that the lipid nanoparticles accumulate throughout the body, but notably in the ovaries. So I could go on. What about the ovarian reserve? There's some recent documentation

about ovarian reserves being depleted? Yeah, that study I believe showed that there's damage to 60% of the kind of ovarian reserve, I would say backup eggs, but I'm a lay person, that women are born with. I haven't had a chance to look at that, but I haven't seen it debunked. So I guess what I'm trying to say is

I've made some powerful enemies recently, unfortunately, by writing critically about Casey Means and Callie Means, and just writing critically about, you know, this White House not delivering for Maha, R.F.K. Jr. not delivering for Maha. But since when is it an outrage to criticize our representatives? That's sort of our job.

No, exactly. So all I'm trying to say is I do see, I don't mean to speak over you, I apologize. I do see online- It's the nature of the delay we have. Don't worry about it, keep going. So go ahead. I do see online people trying to say, to raise questions about the 82%, trying to suggest

that I'm saying something I didn't say. I didn't say that it is for everyone that got vaccinated because we don't have that denominator. That's not what's in the Pfizer documents. I've been very clear in the report that brought this forward is very clear it's for that subgroup of pregnant women. But you know what, it's happening all over the world. So this is well worth putting a stop to.

Back to the healthy, for sure. Back to the healthy children thing. Our granddaughter, our son got bad COVID. I'm sure it's the new NB 181 because he was really sick with it. And his whole household got sick and she got a runny nose for 12 hours or something or 24 hours.

And kids don't get bad COVID. They just don't get it. And healthy children don't need a vaccine for it. It's the craziest thing ever. But vaccines are things you don't need. They do drop dead on the main field from the vaccine. Yes. Yeah. Oh, and mandates are the craziest. From the vaccine, yes. Yeah. Oh, and mandates are the craziest thing in the world to me.

But because the mandates to me were the most outrageous chapter of the COVID story, mandates for young men in particular, who clearly do exactly what you just described. I'm wondering if you're joining me on the violent domestic terrorist list. Oh, God. Because are you, I'm gonna gonna find out I'm sure I'm

on that list I'm gonna get a hold of somebody over the Justice Department to look it up for me I brought it up to one of my friends and he sort of looked at his plate he didn't actually answer me but I if I'm there I'm sure you're there with me oh please check for me if you can I love to know. I'll make a t-shirt. I thought maybe Brian could help us with that. Brian could help us? Well, it's... Well, they said they... Anybody apparently...

And the FBI had a list of anyone who publicly was ringing the bell about mandates. If you were publicly, you were considered a domestic violent terrorist, or extremist, DVE or something. And that's the, what is that, Caleb? I can't read it, unfortunately, when you put those things up. Is that my retweet? That's your post.

That's your post from Michael Schellenberger about your new professional milestone that you didn't even know you achieved nor intended to. You actually worked. Right. You haven't confirmed that you were in there, Dr achieved nor intended to. But you actually were. You haven't confirmed that you were in there, Dr. Kuhl? Well, I haven't had it confirmed, but according to Schellenberger's post there,

I meet every criteria and so do you. Yeah, it's a good guess. It's a good guess. And we've been shadow banned on a couple of channels. Yeah, YouTube is still, we have trouble with them and certainly Facebook completely crushed us. And then before Elon Musk, X was going after us. I mean, the government was pushing these guys

to hit citizens, to go after citizens. It's the craziest fucking shit. It's insane. What is this now? Oh, swatted. Have you been squatted yet? Don't say it. It could happen right now if you said it too loud.

Did that happen to you guys? Dr. Drew, we went to a neighborhood party here last summer and after we left, apparently someone called the local sheriffs and said that Brian had shot me. Wow. Well, to be fair, I saw him with a shotgun a few minutes ago before the show. I saw him walking around the house with a shotgun.

It's like we're laughing about it, but this is partly why I'm still so passionate about this. We risked and risk a great deal to just tell the truth. In your case, just practice truth. In your case just practice medicine, in my case just practice journalism. And to this day, you know, like it's funny now because there's a new administration but you know this new administration could put us on the list. You know there's no protection for truth-tellers and that's all the more reason that the struggles we've been

through and may still be going through should be validated. We have told the truth, we've proven that it's true, it's true. People are dying, women are dying, babies are dying, kids are dropping dead on the playing fields. I keep saying, take these shots away. And I'm sorry if you don't play with them, but you don't get to play with them. They are too dangerous. And what I admire is your laser focus on protecting women and that has expanded a little bit to protecting children

in a way it's always been the same. I don't understand why it's an important though. I don't understand why it's an important though. I am literally, I'm ready to explode right now. I was trying to be quiet because there's some really good sound bites we can use for video later. But I can't believe that even after one baby died, that we didn't stop it. Thank you.

Thank you. Yes. Yes. I mean, like Dr. Kelly said, there were some babies died from getting bad formula and they closed the whole Organization down because one baby died and what why we just keep going for it And we're and then we're because you know and the fact that we're not educating people to think before they Inoculate their child and we're not even doing that. It's bizarre. Well, it's considered conspiracy theory,

considered way, you know, and also like when you're pregnant. It's considered all these things that have nothing to do with it. Pregnancy is so important. And every, you know, we're not supposed to drink for nine months, okay? A lot of people like to have a glass of wine occasionally.

They have to stop when they're pregnant. Why would they take a shot that isn't even FDA approved? I don't get it. Well, it's now well, yeah This is the area of controversy. Yeah, I know It's not a controversy Authorization that's not the same as an approval but even I agree It's not the same as an approval, but even like- I agree. You're not allowed to take Tylenol. Right.

You took the words right out of my mouth, Susan. I literally am doing everything I possibly can never to be in the hands of allopathic medicine again, unless my leg has fallen off because even if something's FDA approved, now we know the low level of science and math that they use to get there. It's terrifying. And the rates of side effects that they think are just fine don't even get me started. But yes, I have been laser focused on women. Babies are part of women. They're not separate things because we carry them and we deliver them. And it is making me honestly, existentially sad that the last few people who are still screaming

are moms, you know? And the guys we elected to represent the moms and the babies have so quickly forgotten about us. I can't believe they won't make good on what they intend on your behalf, but we will see. And in the meantime, we both feel- Five months, it's been like nearly five months

since the inauguration. I used to be a political consultant. They have the votes, they don't need the votes, they don't need Congress. They could take it off the market. RFK Jr. could take it off the market tonight. I will go, I will make it my mission to try to figure out what's going on there.

I'll transfer to send my feelers out, see if I can get any info for you. Well, there's gonna be a video out there that might grab their attention. Do you have a sense of why they won't do it? Yeah. What, what, what is your theory? I'm sorry.

It's not a theory, it's just from, you know, again, what is your theory? I'm sorry. It's, it's not a theory. It's just from, you know, again, my life being in that world. So Susie Wiles, you know, rightly, cause she's chief of staff keeps a tight rein on everything that happens under the oversight of the white house. HHS of course is down the chain of command. She comes from a lobbying background. Kelly Means comes from a lobbying background. I read the sudden assent of Kelly Means. That's interesting.

I've been walked out in your- Yeah, that's weird. We're being censored by the White House. Of lobbying. Can you hear me? I hear you though. Keep going. They can't take your voice away. As much as they try.

He comes from the world of lobbying and as my essay showed, the world of biometric harvesting and Silicon Valley, especially wanting to engage in biometric harvesting and Silicon Valley, especially wanting to engage in biometric harvesting of all of us. And also the people who funded his sister's company levels are the same people who are heavily invested in the mRNA platform.

So my understanding of his sudden ascension as, you know, with what's clearly a multimillion dollar PR campaign behind him that the government didn't pay know, with what's clearly a multimillion dollar PR campaign behind him that the government didn't pay for, so it's gotta be private industry. His sudden kind of repackaging as a Maha hero and his presence kind of being a gatekeeper for Maha is that Big Pharma has put him in place or Silicon Valley has put him in place

to make sure that nothing too disruptive comes out of HHS. So I think they're on a tight leash over at HHS, but I don't care because also from my familiarity with being in that world and being a White House spouse, everyone has an agenda. It's always a fight and you have to fight back. And you have to say to Susie Wiles and Kelly Means, you know, I'm sorry I can't do what you want to protect your other clients or special interests because

my base is screaming, look at this, they'll kill us at the midterms, they'll kill, not literally, they'll kill us in the next presidential. And I don't see him doing that. I see him playing nice and his colleagues are calling women like me and Shannon Joy and Mary Tully Bowden and asking us to ease off and play nice and, you know, not upset the apple card up at the White House. That's not how you do politics. You do politics by fighting back. And that's what we need for and that's leadership. So that's what we need from a leader. That's my analysis. Well, thank you for being a representation of good leadership and thank you for sharing your ideas always on this show and thank you for being a

friend and fighting for not just what you've described over the last few minutes but also the freedom to speak and speak the truth. So. Thank you. Any place you want people to go, should we promote one of the books? Where would you like people to go? What would you want them to read? Yes. Well, I would like their prayers that this bear goes away and leaves us alone.

There's a bear out there. He's gonna be a bear. But at least it didn't interrupt the podcast. Yes, please, you guys need to understand that our revenue stream from sponsors has been disrupted because X has been locking us out for thanking our sponsors. So you need to please send us donations on dailycloud.io and subscriptions. And I also locked you out for thanking your sponsors.

What did they do? They kept locking us out, violating the rules by thanking our sponsors, which literally everybody does. But they... What? Were you writing an ad or just... Sponsors on your show. Yeah, we were thanking our sponsors.

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You must be on that list with us. I'm exposing Silicon Valley's grip on the White House. I run a tech company. I know what, you know, I know what I'm looking at. It's sad. Yes. No, it is sad. That is wrong. Yeah. Go to dailycloud.io, correct? Yeah. Go to dailycloud.io, correct?

And then subscribe and donate. Check out our sponsors over there. Wow, that's so rude. Okay, Ron. It is. Am I saying goodbye? I also heard you had a bear in your backyard right before the show started. Say that again, Naomi.

I said, am I saying goodbye? And Susan asked about the bear. Yes, that's why Brian was a huge Brian will send you the video. It is a huge video of the bear and he had to get out the gun. That's why I was walking around with a gun behind Naomi because he had to shoot at the bear to get it to go away. It was going to charge him apparently right before the the show. So it's good luck. It's good luck, Naomi.

Yes, that's that's neat. You're saying we're on your side, we're going to send the bear emissary to manifest outside. I hope that's what it means. Not like I hope. Naomi, get back to get back to protecting yourself. Naomi's going to get you. The mama bears. All right. On the loose. Mama bears on the loose.

On the loose. I'm thinking of watching Brian run out the gun. I was thinking about the song from Chicago. Oh, yes. So yes, they both reach for the gun, the gun. All right. He's a big gunsmith and he's also, you know, like he likes to show me like pictures of his gun.

He's a big gunsmith. He's a big gunsmith. He's a big gunsmith. He's a big gunsmith. He's a big gunsmith. He's a big gunsmith. He's a big gunsmith. He's a big gunsmith. He's a big gunsmith. He's a big gunsmith. He's gun. All right. He's a big gunsmith and he's also, you know,

like he likes to show me like pictures of his guns and stuff. It's pretty funny. I know, I dig it. It's fine. That's what he does, you know. Are we frozen here, Caleb? Is there something going on? Are we still going okay here?

You're still fine on my end. All right. Okay. So Amy Alcon coming in next. We're going to talk a little menopause. Susan, I'm going to have you tell her your story. Wait, wait. About what?

About hormone replacement therapies, amongst other things. We're going to switch, it's women's issues again, but we're going to switch gears a little bit about how- Well, I gave birth to triplets and I would have never taken the vaccine. How medicine ill serves women and how we get into these group thoughts, group thinking

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Going Menopausal, and also past president of applied at Lichess.com. Menopostal. Menopostal, I screwed it up. Menopostal, also past president of Applied Ablations. Menopostal. Menopostal, I screwed it up. Menopostal, Amy, come on in. I get the, and I don't blame women for going menopostal because first of all, no, because they've been mistreated. If you don't mind, before you and I get in our conversation,

I want Susan to tell her story of perimenopause, menopause, which was, well, go ahead, tell the story. Okay. So I was, I didn't want to have sex and I was having, I was kind of having some depression and anxiety. I went to my, I went to my gynecologist and he was also the person helped me deliver my triplets and I said, listen, I don the person who helped me deliver my triplets. And I said, listen, I don't want to have sex with my husband anymore.

And he said, maybe you should get him a mistress like they do in Europe. And I was like, no, that's not going to work. I'm sorry. And I know, I know. Okay. So, And here's the number of a therapist. This is so, a mistress as substitute for the evidence-based

medical care that that doctor was probably entirely ignorant of because here's the great scandal of gynecology departments that nobody knows. They're all baby doctors or reproductive health specialists. They have, if there's one doctor, it's rare, or there are usually none who have any training whatsoever in menopause and perimenopause care. So no wonder they tell you this ridiculous stuff when there are actually real

answers for what you're going through. If you read the science, which I did, and doctors, I mean, really it's, it's really terrible. The laugh of the laugh. But Amy, Amy, I want to, I want to, I don't, I'm sure you wrote about this and you read about this, It's really terrible, the lack of experience there. Amy, I'm sure you wrote about this and you read about this, but I wanna flesh out from the experience of the practitioner, the Women's Health Initiative, which is where a lot of this craziness came from.

So we used to use an old fashioned hormone replacement therapy called Premarin. It was kind of efficacious, but it wasn't ideal. And we would always use progesterones and things. And all of a sudden the women's health initiative comes out, which was a deeply flawed study, but nobody would admit it. It's again, another pharma catastrophe.

And the finding was, not only does it not protect against dementia, it causes breast cancer, it causes dementia, it causes heart disease. And this is what happened. I remember reading editorial, and I remember all of us, all clinicians, went, that is not my experience.

This is weird. My women on estrogens seem to be doing better. They have less dementia, they have less osteoporosis. Their affect is brighter, they're more energetic, they're more involved with things. And we were told, this is the part that you may not have read, because lead articles in major journals said,

in these words, I'll never forget them, you are no better than a witch doctor if you do not follow the findings of this fine study on 60,000, whatever, 600,000, whatever it was, that you are not only worthy of the title of physician, and we will strip you, we will attempt to strip you of any of your subspecialty qualifications,

but you are a witch doctor. I remember those words. And so all of us sort of froze. Yeah, we froze and women suffered. Women suffered. What else was there? It's just so terrible. This was a total, it was totally dishonest the way they presented it.

They said that this, these effects, the breast cancer, everything else was in healthy menopausal women. That was a lie. So they tested estrogen, the primarin, and actually they didn't give progesterone. They gave madroxyprogesterone acetate, which is a synthetic knockoff of progesterone in our bodies that is very harmful. It harms, it's harmful, increases cardiovascular risk, risk of Alzheimer's, and it doesn't do some of the wonderful things natural progesterone does, which you take as an FDA approved drug

because then it's regulated and you know you're getting what you're supposed to and everything. It's just the same formulation as in our bodies. But with this study, they gave it to women in their 70s. So nobody's grandma's not going to the doctor looking for something for her hot flashes. And when you give estrogen to a woman who's already broken, these were sick, obese, otherwise very ill women, then you break her further. And the thing is, what the science shows is that there's a critical window right after menopause If you start taking estrogen as a healthy women woman, you have to make sure you don't have plaque filled up already

You know taking your arteries into the danger zone and look at other health metrics But if you're healthy you can initiate estrogen then and this is what the science now shows Based on individual health you can continue taking it. You should be monitored throughout your lifespan. And the reason this is important is that estrogen has, we found, these protective effects beyond symptom relief. And so if you're not taking estrogen, like it's 79 when women are prone to fall and break bones, you don't have the protection you can't do as the head of Kaiser gynecology

West LA just advised me to do. This is like outdated science from 2002. She told me I needed to taper off estrogen at 60. I'm 61. Well, I wouldn't do that because I read science from 2025. And I'm not basing this. I mean, she's the head of gynecology. She's choosing a formulary for Kaiser for menopause care. I mean this is the horror that is medicine right now. Yeah, I'm not surprised. We have a lot of group think, we have a lot of medical legal thinking, we follow what are sort of the prevailing winds of authorities mandate, and we don't think, and if we don't read the literature, we're in big trouble.

And the literature has been adulterated lately. That was the big shock to me during COVID, that literature became adulterated. I could see it. But I noticed in, so we're all in agreement, estrogen, progesterone, breast cancer risk, not, I mean, if you have a, if you have a BRCA gene, okay, you want to talk to your doctor about that,

but otherwise what my reading shows me is not only it does not significantly add to the breast cancer risk, if you add testosterone to the mix, you might actually reduce breast cancer risk in hormone replacement therapy with testosterone. Okay, I have a few contentiousness with what you said. One of them is that testosterone, research on testosterone for women in menopause and perimenopause,

for women in general, it's just not there in terms of longitudinal safety studies. Those are long-term studies on breast cancer risk and also on cardiovascular risk. And now, so that's why it's important to take a conservative approach to that, which I do. I need to correct my own testosterone, but I'm doing it in other ways. And without taking testosterone, there's not even FDA approved testosterone for women.

And the other thing is about breast cancer, I really, this, writing this book, I'm so careful because, you know, I was terrified of getting things wrong because people could be harmed and so I sent things out researchers had my ass but the thing is with the breast cancer research it's also heterogeneous meaning that this group tests this this age women and this group of women and they use this drug and that one we really can't say conclusively what I want to say, does it give you breast cancer or not? And there's research by, I went down to the receptor level, the hormone receptors. This is Carol Sartorius and Katherine Horwitz, a big pioneer in receptor or hormone receptor

research. And they say basically, look, estrogen and progesterone are not personogenic. They don't cause cancer themselves. However, if you have existing cancer, they can take it and run with it. And so that's where we stand. And this is stuff I'm very proud of that chapter because I don't like a maze ball of science. Guess what? It's all finished and done and this is conclusive. No, it's not. You know, and I said at the end end, well look, here's where I come out and I tell people don't do what I do because this is my individual health metrics and risk, but I said, women, one in three women will soon die of heart disease.

Women who get breast cancer will likely die of heart disease. And 90% of women who do get breast cancer, it will be survivable. Now, no one wants this terrible disease, but the cardiovascular disease is what kills us and it makes you suffer and die just terribly. And so it's important to protect your arteries right after menopause by having this estrogen because what happens is if your arteries don't have estrogen continuing, the receptors go away and it's not possible to protect your arteries the way you could if you just continued estrogen.

And so these are the calculations you have to make. It's all complicated. And this is the problem with doctors being entirely ignorant of the science, the head of gynecology not having a clue as to the protective effects of estrogen. And I should say the bone effects are the strongest. Those are pretty conclusive and there's increasing evidence about brain and cardiovascular protection but just not to the level where the menopause societies say okay we're saying this is protective. So the the cerebral vasculature I will tell you clinically

The cerebral vasculature, I will tell you clinically, it just is, it just is so. Just, I guarantee you that will be proven. The coronary part I want to talk about in a second, but first, hormone replacement, hormone responsive tumors, we just did this automatic sort of a deduction, which prostate cancer and breast cancer are hormone responsive tumors.

They respond to blockade of hormone. They respond to accelerate when exposed to hormones. Therefore, these hormones must cause the cancers when there was never actually any evidence for it in either of these hormone responsive tumors. And so people have very much backed away from that. But that being the case, I mean, you don't want your cancer to get away from you if you have high risk for that, that kind of thing. But I want to go to heart disease. So you say women die of heart disease. I would

love your next book to be about really doing a big dig on heart disease generally, because there is a chapter that nobody knows except physicians, which is that when you attempt to fill out a death certificate, the counties will accept almost nothing except heart disease. They won't accept the money. They will say, send everything back to the coroner or for an autopsy. And if families are not inclined that way,

you as a physician feel sort of obliged to go, well, their heart did stop. So, okay, cardiopulmonary arrest due to cardiac standstill, due to myocardial damage, which is all interpreted as heart disease. And none of it is true. It's not the, it's what we got, the mess we got into with COVID

or people were dying with COVID instead of, you guys know the death certificate, maybe just do a whole expose on death certificates in this country and how doctors aren't trained to fill out death certificates and how death certificates change county to county and how the way they're constructed, they don't reflect the reality

of what happened to the patient. That to me would be a huge asset. I love it. You need to write about this. I beg you to write about this. Because, well, I would have to go into the research on it in every different county and stuff. I don't know if I have time for that,

but the fact is that women, yes, women do have more heart disease than we pay attention to normally, but when they get it, it's usually very elderly in life, very advanced in age, and it's often in women with other risk factors, and again, and more often than not, it is actually misrepresented as heart disease

or supervascular disease when it is not. So let's sort of put that down. So I have less concerns about the cardiac issues. I, like you, I think you start early and often and you protect yourself with estrogens. Exactly. And I would say it's cardiovascular disease. It's the whole gamut of things and insulin resistance. And you see patients, I go to the Kaiser and Baldwin Hills for an eye disease that I have

genetic disease. Thanks, mom. And you see these just terribly, terribly obese, frail people. They've lost everything they are and walkers. You can see that their lives are lives of suffering. And this doesn't have to be except for how medicine, I mean, Kaiser's website, all the health advice. It's truck month at GMC.

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protect yourself from osteoporosis. Well, if you walk, unless you're carrying an elephant, you're not putting enough weight on your bones to tell them to make more bone, make more bone stuff, quality bone stuff. And it's, so all of this, and eat, they still say, eat a low fat, low saturated fat diet. I eat a carnivore diet, I am so metabolically healthy compared to, you know,

what I could be. Like a stellar metabolic stats. But Kaiser has diagnosed me with familial hypercholesterolemia, which hypercholesterolemia, which I know I have. It's a genetic mutation. I mean, this is crazy. They just do this because doctors are so ignorant of the science and this is the thing I bring out one of the myths of medicine is that doctors know how to read evidence and they do read evidence to critically Evaluate it and to decide your care and they're not taught in med schools to read evidence or evaluate it They can't read it and they don't have time to read it like a Kaiser They see patients every 20 minutes and they have these are requirements electronic, electronic medical record keeping. And so unlike me, I'm a psycho. I work all day and night. You know, people want to go home and have a family. And so I, you know,

can't fault them for that. You know, but but so they need to have somebody reading the science because there's not a doctor I have except for my psychiatrist who's fantastic and I just am so impressed by him always, but every other doctor is not diagnosing or treating you based on evidence. And I will catch them on it and tell them they don't like that. Yeah, yeah, no, I think I'm glad that you do that. And I taught medicine for a long time

and emphasize exactly what you're talking about. But I realized that, and Brett Weinstein confirmed this, he was an undergraduate professor, he's the Black Horse podcast. Oh, I know him and Heather. Okay, and he, I gave a little talk one time and he came running over to me afterwards, he goes, that's it, that's the problem.

And what I put my finger on was, that we're not teaching how to do science. People are leaving scientific STEM training programs without ever being exposed to the actual scientific method properly done. And so we have physicians entering medical school. Medical school, certainly they aren't teaching science. That has nothing to do with science.

That's a language course essentially, or maybe an anatomy course. But you have to be trained as a scientist as an undergraduate, and that's where you learn how to read literature. And when you learn how to read literature, you realize looking at a lot of clinical data that it's all bullshit.

It's just, there's no actual science being done. It's just sort of book reports or something. I was just sort of observational studies. They're not science. And so we have a crisis right there. Not just, it's not just the reproducible crisis, excuse me, reproducibility crisis. It is the crisis in the actual training

in the scientific methodology that we've just completely let go of for some reason. Before we go further, I want to address the heterogeneity you said in terms of the testosterone replacement therapy. That is exactly it. Oh no, sorry, that was breast cancer. That was no, that was breast cancer. Okay, well, then maybe I did that in my head

because that is exactly the issue with testosterone is that women are fantastically different in how they respond, particularly to hormones like testosterone. Susan, your story again with testosterone. Oh, so after taking a handful of pills and for like five years. They gave her antidepressants

and hormone replacement therapies. It helped me a little bit. I wanted to have sex occasionally. And then one day my friend got a hysterectomy and she says, oh my God, there's a woman in the same office that my doctor's in who's a hormone specialist. She gave me these bio identical pellets and I want to have sex with my husband every day.

And she literally was the last person to ever say that on the earth. And I said, oh my God, I need some of that. So I went to this woman and she inserted these little pellets with testosterone and estrogen. You must be in a mood, Susan, right now because that wasn't what I was going for was how it affected your vitality and your mood and all.

I'm getting there, I'm getting there. And so I was miserable for 10 years. Like I started menopause early, like I was in my early 40s. Oh, maybe your late 30s. I was so pissed off that I felt so good and so happy. It's like testosterone is like a happy pill. You always wonder why men are always happy and women are always grouchy. Men have testosterone and I suddenly was invigorated.

What you said to me at the time was, I feel like a part of me had died and was brought back to life when I was a younger woman. Yes. And I thought, oh, that's quite vivid. That's very vivid. But by the same token, Amy, to your point, I know plenty of women who I've referred

for replacement therapies of various type, who respond negatively to testosterone. They lose their hair, they get aggressive, they get irritable. I lost my hair, but I did not care. But Susan, you know So again, it's a heterogeneous spectrum. It's gonna be hard to sort that all out. Yeah, I'm this for 15 years I mean, I'm literally a walking testimonial to the the efficacy of this and I

Muscle mass is strong. My yeah, it's individual the hand of one here and one we get it And I don't have cancer in my family, so that's good. That's really good. But it is, there are individual differences, and that's the thing to understand. And that's the thing, doctors not knowing really anything about this area. So you're going to doctors who have not a clue.

So women are undiagnosed, misdiagnosed. The worst thing, giving women antidepressants, this is what Randy Netze, evolutionary medicine founder, co-founder says is the viewing symptoms as disorders error. So, somebody has hot flashes and you can treat them with an antidepressant. That does help. It's not as good as hormones, but it helps. And what you're doing though, you're not treating the rest of the problems that are caused by, it's really a lack,

in perimenopause, it's generally a lack of progesterone being made. You have perfectly normal semen periods, but you're not audulating and not making progesterone. And this is through a lot of them, and me included, worse, terrible symptoms and the rage. I'm a nice person, I like people, I'm from the Midwest, I say hi to everybody.

I'm in a hardware store, some man's coming behind me, I wanted to find out how he opted to bludgeon him. And I was so ashamed, and you don't know, this is very menopause, you're really ashamed of yourself. It's true. Yeah, anyway, if you're picking up a hammer and using the claw and on your friends, I worry about that. But, but, but you're absolutely correct.

That, that irritability, that sort of boiling, but it's irritability. And misery, there's misery associated with this. And, and I, we do a woeful job. This book, your book sounds, it's like on point. It's about time somebody wrote this book. Now, I want to switch a little bit gears and talk about evolutionary psychology because I know you have a background in that, right? I do, yes.

Okay, so I was trained as a biologist. Yeah, and I was trained as a biologist. And as a biologist, Yeah, and I was trained as a biologist. And as a biologist, I had deep appreciation for evolutionary psychology because in biology, the way by when you're really trained in biology, every question is answered by addressing, every mechanism is addressed by asking oneself,

what is the evolutionary advantage of this protein or this, how did, or what were the evolutionary forces that caused it to evolve? Of course the brain is under the same influences. Of course. It could not be otherwise. It could not be otherwise.

I can't underline that enough. And so guys like, what's the guy up in Washington, David, I always want to call him Hume. You know what I'm talking about? Famous evolutionary psychologists up there. Somebody on the three streams is going to give you that name. David, anyway, not important. Last time I talked to him, it was a few years ago,

and at the time evolutionary psychology was under an attack. And it now looks like that attack was this sort of neo-Marxist society causes everything kind of world where you weren't allowed to talk about biology. What, how do you make sense of all that now that we've sort of, I feel like we're coming out on the other side a little bit and you could start to talk about biology again.

Well, sex, okay, so I'm not sure what you're talking about because there are so many attacks. Sex differences research is demonized and it's so ridiculous because anybody who has a male and a female dog or boys and girls can see the differences. There are just evolved adaptations in people based on the current problems over evolutionary history. So we have these meaningful differences,

and then we're in the same in many ways. So with evolutionary psychology, it's very important to look for this. It is basic scientific thinking. What would the function of this be? To look for that as an underlying thing, to have real theory and not just social science is empty because there's no theory behind it. There's no check on, well, what would this, you know, what would this have served? It's just sort of empty. Oh, we found this in the study and

then it doesn't replicate. And so it's not meaningful and doesn't help us understand who we are and why we behave as we do. And that's one of the great things about evolutionary psychology. If you tell males, look, you evolved to be visual because if you weren't, you know, the world would be populated by cockroaches. You wouldn't want to hump anybody. Sorry, I used the word hump. It's so old fashioned.

All good. We know what it means. We know what it means. It's good. You're not attached to the grandma. Oh, sorry. I talked over you twice. Not attached to grandma. Um, but all good. We know what it means, but we know what it means. It's good. You're not attracted to grandma. Oh, sorry.

I talked over you twice. Not attached to grandma because if you want to, if you have sex with grandma, you know, there's not going to be a child unless there's some kind of weird, you know, strange miracle or something. Um, so, you know, these are things that, that tell you why things are the way they are and that males shouldn't be ashamed that they are, you know, these are things that that tell you why things are the way they are and that males shouldn't be ashamed That they are, you know adapt a certain way and adaptations earn a mandate. You can choose to not you know Chase the woman down and you know

Attack her whatever it is to do criminal things Yeah, you know you live within the bounds of society and morals and law and so, you know desires are not evil It's just action. What's that Susan? I can't hear you of society and morals and law. And so, you know, desires are not evil. It's just action. If you ask people. What's that Susan? I can't hear you. You're speaking, but not with a mic on. Susan, Susan, are you talking to us?

Okay, it sounds like you're talking to us. Yeah, I can't find the name of, sorry about that. I can't find the, you're speaking louder enough that we hear you. So I don't know. We lost the X feed. Oh, we lost the X feed, I see. David Buss, that's the guy I was trying to think of.

Oh, David Buss. The University of Washington. David Buss is a good friend. He's fantastic. He's in Texas now, okay. I love David. He's fantastic. Great guy, does the best maiden research.

He's really wonderful. And it's been wonderful to me from the start. You know, I, this is a process. I didn't go to school. I didn't go to med school. My joke is I forgot to take endocrinology when I forgot to go to med school, but I pasted endocrinology textbooks all over. And I also had coaching from this great, wonderful epidemiologist.

He wrote the co-author, the seminal book in the field. And since 2007, he's been coaching me on how to vet studies. And then David Buss, from early on, sent my column every week, my science-based syndicated column that I stopped doing because all the papers died. And he would either say that's fantastic or correct things that were wrong, which I really wanted and helped me. And he's just great. He's a great mentor in everything.

He's got some great books also. So, it is time for, I can tell you, working in psychiatry all the years that I did, that generally speaking, any psychiatric syndrome is accounted for on the basis of biology at about 60%. 60% of the syndrome is accounted for on the basis of biology alone. And%. 60% of the syndrome is accounted for on the basis of biology alone. And there's, of course, there are environmental inputs,

like with every syndrome, that even if you have a piano drop on your head, you have to have grown a head. There's always some biological elements in things that can look like strictly environmental. And the biology has profound effects on everything. And the biology is shaped out of the evolutionary forces of millions and millions and hundreds of millions of years. And that's that.

It's just that, it's just so. Now I think the evolution of psychology got itself in a little trouble by doing a lot of just so descriptions Now, I think the evolution of psychology got itself in a little trouble by using, doing a lot of just so descriptions of sort of the traits and things that had evolved without helping people understand that there is, no, no, no, no, no, hold on, hold on, let me finish, without helping people understand

that there's also good science behind it. Okay, I'm glad you said that because people will say that that's this common thing. It makes me actually, my head sort of like catch fire. Good, good, good. What about this individual study do you find that is lacking? Because that's the way we need to evaluate science and not just do this thing. People like to smear science like a whole area.

And that's ridiculous because actually, evolutionary psychology people were so disliked by all the social scientists because we're not PC. Many of us or most of us or I'd say many. And so we have to be more rigorous in this area. And so they do things that this is the first area where they did non-weird studies which means they studied like Dan Snipes, our wonderful research on shame, he studied Israel, India, and the United States to compare, you know, they have different cultural practices but they all come out the same. Poo is shameful, whether you're passing your food

with your poo hand in India, or you have poo stuck in the back of your pants and America's disgusting and we find it shameful. That's right. That's right. So that is a checkup. Western, educated, industrialized. Democratic.

Elite. Yeah. By Joe Henrik at Harvard. Yeah, it's just, we used to just do them on Harvard, on Yale students, that's the bottom line. And now we try to get a more diverse population. Well, listen, I am out of time. I really, I've overstayed my welcome.

And I would love to talk to you some more of their topics that come up where your fight, the menopausal front, I'm a warrior with you on that one. And I wanted to get that one on the record since we were talking about women's issues. But- Drew does not need a mistress. I'm just gonna tell everybody.

But if there are other things that come along on the evolutionary psychology front and male-female differences and things, I'd like to get back into that battle again. I used to fight those fights. Yeah, I got sidetracked by COVID. Yeah, I've loved you that. And also some of the ways to practically

to help your mental health, to be like, to choose. I talk in the book about choosing resilience and you really, you have a choice. You can choose to be like to choose, I talk in the book about choosing resilience. And you really, you have a choice. You can choose to be a resilient person and behave in resilient ways. You know, those things are very important for making your life and health work. And to build that resiliency and build that self-efficacy,

you lean into stressful circumstances. You don't hide in safe spaces. You expose yourself to things. You don't hide in safe spaces. You expose yourself to things. Exposure therapy is the main breakthrough in mental health in the first quarter of the 21st century. And guess what? Ordinary misery is good and build resiliency and efficacy through leaning into unpleasant

things. That's that. Just like building your muscles, it hurts. And if you go to Amazon, give Amy a review. She loves Liberty on Rumble, said that we need to review your book. Oh, good. Let's do it. Oh, thank you. That's really, yeah, I really appreciate it. And buy my book on Amazon.

It's very affordable. I did trade paperbacks because I wanted women to afford it, be able to afford it, and that's very important to me. So I want everyone to be able to bring the science to their doctors so they can get the evidence-based care that the doctor's not providing. Yeah, and don't be afraid to talk to your doctor about these things. One piece of advice I would give you is don't approach it

like did you know, they know, one piece of advice I would give you is don't approach it like, did you know? They know, they're just not paying attention. And they've been exposed to it, they just have gotten into group think and they're, you can just go, look, I'm reading data and I'm looking at this new data and I'm convinced. And that's start like that. That's how you talk to a doctor.

Like, I'm looking at that because they want you informed. Well, I also give women fail-safes, ways to collect legit medical data from their bodies that they can present to their doctors. Their doctor cannot write to them for care. You can't deny it's sleep is sleep is the bright line there. You can't deny somebody's sleep.

That's it. If you show them you're not making progesterone, which you can do yourself with a 999 thermometer for a month. You can then say, look, I'm not sleeping. And how can they deny you sleep? Great, great piece of data. That's good. Yes, and learning how that's very useful

to learn how to bring the data in. And again, the doctor's concern is getting in and out quick. That's what he or she is concerned with. So if you come in and form with data, they're perfectly happy to hear that. All right, listen, Amy, thank you so much for joining us. We'll get the book, we'll follow you on X, and hopefully we'll talk again soon

about the evolutionary, let's just do an evolutionary psychology thing because it needs to come back to the fore. It needs to come back into the forefront because it's this idea of theory, theory as you mentioned in humanities and social sciences, is completely adulterated. It is a misappropriation of the notion of scientific theory.

It is disgusting and we need to bring science back into the discourse and biology back into the discourse. So I'm ready to do it. All right, thank you so much. Thank you. All right, thank you so much. Thank you. All right, and next up, tomorrow, speaking of biology, I'm bringing Nicole Sapphire in here. She's got some, we're going to talk a little

prostate cancer and other things. She's a radiation oncologist. Jordan Vaughn, who, what did Dr. Vaughn had some observations, I forget. Geez, I'm only blocking what they were, but he's got some interesting ideas about COVID, was it? If something happened to him during COVID that we need to kind of bring into the fore.

Anouska Dejorjou and Emily Hagan, we're gonna talk a little Epstein. She was in there. Mark Cianchese. Isn't Anouska somebody got loaded? She was connected. Yeah. Vip K. Menake Yes, she was connected. Yeah. Vipke Menake, she has some new data out.

She's an excellent Danish physician and researcher who really just really writes great, clear, good science. And then of course can't get it published because it runs contrary to some of the quote, priorities of some of the publishing organizations. All right, we got a lot to do. Being here tomorrow at two o'clock, please join us then. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky.

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