Ask Dr. Drew - Natalie Winters (Co-host of Steve Bannon’s War Room) on CCP Infiltration of Education & Academia – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 246

Episode Date: July 30, 2023

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Today we have invited Natalie Winters in here. She is the co-host and executive editor of War Room. She has some thoughts about the infiltration of the American academic institutes by the Chinese Communist Party. And Susan is completely preoccupied with the CCP. And I thought it'd be an interesting conversation for us to get into. Also a question of whether or not the DOJ is hiding vital information on human trafficking. I've been sort of confused why the human trafficking topic is anything other than something people would want to get into and support efforts to interfere with that. You can watch or you can follow Natalie at Natalie G Winters on Twitter. And I will review with you after the break

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I don't feel quite so bad about it. Okay, good. As I said, we're bringing Natalie Winters in here. You can follow her at Natalie G. Winters. She's a writer and a journalist, and she has some ideas about the perhaps not so commonly discussed behaviors of the Chinese Communist Party, which, Susan, this one's for you. I know.

Yeah, so let's bring Natalie right on in. I know how to make a woman happy well you happy in particular natalie thank you for joining us hi thank you so much for having me so susan my wife has become um what's the what would be a good way of describing your preoccupation with the chinese china file i i actually studied chinese history at ucla UCLA and it was very difficult to understand and I got horrible grades doing it, but I took the advanced class and just it was brutal. But, you know, the Middle East and China because it was just too confusing for me. I came from Newport Beach and I didn't know anything about anything when I went to college. So, but China really, I've been waiting for

probably like maybe 30 years for something to really happen with China. And I was worried for the last 30 years. So, um, I have, that's my background. That's why I'm so interested in it. So that's all I can say. Fixated, Emily Barsh says. I think that's a good, fixated does not quite capture the emotion around it. She is fixated, but I would say, I have instincts. A bit exorcised. I have instincts. I'm not a conspiracist. It would be too far to say paranoid, but not that much farther off the mark. But Natalie, what are you observing? I've been hearing rumors of the infiltration of academia. Some of the behavior of academia has become uncanny.

And I always worry about looking for the witches casting the spell, so to speak. I'll explain that in just a minute. But what do you what do you observed? What have you seen? Sure. Well, Susan sounds like my kind of gal. I'd say you're a China hawk, as am I, but more precisely, a Chinese Communist Party hack. And I'm happy to talk and really dive into academia. But before we

get into that, I think it's sort of important to contextualize what exactly influence and infiltration campaigns look like when they're emanating from Beijing, what exactly the Chinese Communist Party is doing. Because a lot of times, and frankly, this is why I got interested in this field to begin with, you know, politicians, media pundits love to throw around the idea that someone is compromised by China. But I really wanted to dig into what that actually looks like, how they actually achieve that, or is that just sort of a meaningless, you know, throwaway talking point that you hear way too often. And unfortunately, for the sake of the country, and I would argue the sake of the world, really, it is very true. But it's true in granular detail. And what I mean by that, I want to drill down on something called the United Front Work Department.

It's not a conspiracy theory. Our own government here has issued extensive reporting on it, filed various documents and reports on what it exists to do. And even in the Chinese Communist Party's own words, it really is their political warfare department. And again, to take one more step back, you know, when we perceive of warfare, I think most people think of kinetic warfare, right? Boots on the ground, ships, guns, tanks, ammo, bullets. But there are at least in, you know, this day and age, there are a lot of different forms of warfare, psychological warfare, information warfare, media warfare, biological warfare. And in the case of the Chinese Communist Party, they're waging all of these forms of warfare

concurrently, I would argue, but specifically on the kind of personnel front and how they really can subdue or subvert a country without even actually having to take it over, which one of the guiding axioms, it's one of the most often used quotes in the People's Liberations Army's military code, is that the supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. And what you see, I think, in effect here in the United States is really that. So to go back to what's called the United Front Work Department, this is sort of the key, really the, I would say, major axis of what all of these various foreign influence groups that have very nice, innocuous, friendly sounding names. These are the groups like the Confucius Institutes, the Chinese United States Exchange

Foundations, the Chinese People's Association for Friendship and Foreign Contact. And while they might have nice sounding names and missions, in reality, they exist to identify and target elites, whether they're in academia, media, think tank world, would argue, really to be the first stages of the Chinese Communist Party's efforts to infiltrate this country is really just to get the country, but more specifically, our thought leaders to buy into the narrative that China is not a competitor, but rather they're an ally. They're someone that we should trade with, that we should have a free exchange of goods and students and professors and scientific research. And frankly, I think we need to look no further than the example of COVID-19 as to why that's not a good idea. And I don't just mean because of what happened at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, but a lot of the mainstream scientists that you saw people names like Peter Doshak,

that's the leader of the group EcoHealth Alliance that was receiving money from Anthony Fauci to work on these bat coronaviruses. He was also one of the leading voices in the mainstream media saying that anyone who dared to say that COVID-19 originated from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, that conspiracy theorists, what they were saying was absolutely crazy. And if you really run down his resume and see the kind of groups that he had been affiliated with, he had been doing studies, taking Chinese chinese communist party cash working with these united front groups and i think that's sort of an example of what we call elite capture um by these americans who certainly

are american so let me let me yeah sure sure i talked for a while let's pause we'll give you that no no it's good i love it let's pause Let's pause on Peter. She packed it all in there. Peter Daszak for a second. And that is, we are going to talk to an attorney that hinted that he has a series of FOIA documents that, I don't want to use a stronger word as prove, but maybe it suggests, that DAZAC may not in fact be compromised by the Chinese Communist Party so much as the head of a counter-espionage operation through EcoHealth Alliance designed to keep an eye on what the Chinese are doing. What do you think of that theory? Well, I would say that Peter Doshak has been really the leading defender of the Chinese Communist Party and the mainstream press.

People may be familiar with the Lancet COVID-19 Commission. And of course, they put out a statement in the early days that really was used by all the mainstream media outlets that they cited as saying, because all these eminent doctors and scholars said that COVID-19 developed naturally, anyone else who says otherwise is lying. And Peter Dostoevsky really has continued to peddle that line, even despite being forced to recuse himself later from the Lancet COVID Commission because he never disclosed his ties to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. I mean, that is a theory.

In my opinion, I really don't think it's valid. I would also say on that- What's interesting, let me just hold you for a second. He would behave this way. What's weird about this guy is he would behave this way if he were compromised, and he would behave this way if he were a counter espionage operator both both states would explain the bizarre behavior but in either case i will i will completely co-sign the what you're saying in the sense that when is our government going to stop lying to us and under what conditions that is one of the most disturbing aspects of the last few years and i'm still struggling with that in in either case they're obfuscating information would that that would

be accurate correct yeah and i think it's sort of a a fog of war maybe in this case you know fog of biological war uh scenario right we don't know what exactly his true motives are but i think either way it's bad because you either have someone who is compromised by the Chinese Communist Party, who throughout COVID has continued to push for international collaboration on the world's most dangerous pathogens with the Chinese Communist Party, including doing work with labs that are run by China's military and work very, very intimately with them. Or even worse, and frankly, why there is maybe some credence to what your lawyer friend was saying, is because the United States government has endorsed a scientific collaboration with Chinese Communist Party from the get-go. It was all the

way back in the early 2000s that Anthony Fauci and his deputy director actually signed memorandums of understanding to begin really the process that would lead to basically US taxpayer dollars going to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. But it goes back, frankly, to what I was saying in the beginning, which is if American people, and frankly, our thought leaders perceive of the Chinese Communist Party as an ally, right, as another global power on the world stage, as opposed to a country or regime that wants to systematically destroy and replace the United States as the global hegemon. Well, that leaves you with two very different interpretations of whether or not we should

be collaborating with them scientifically. Right. Well, and to be, again, I'd push back a little bit. I mean, at one time, I don't think it was so clear that we were in trouble with them and I could see how they could have gone down the path particularly on the medical and biological side there was a lot of sharing of stuff going on in medical research at one point and all of a sudden there's been a giant uh-oh certainly since kovat I spoke to Li Ming won a couple of times. Are you familiar with her? Yeah. And she has repeatedly alerted us to what was going on and what she was doing and what happened when she started asking questions.

Do people not fully appreciate – I don't want to get too dramatic or too hysterical right off the top, but this is a government that has killed millions of people and has no problem making people disappear. And I don't think this country understands, although we've certainly been going through a wave here where we understand how damaging our own government can be to our own lives you know our careers our ability to you know withstand assaults from social media they they really seem to be all in on hurting americans if they're not completely capitulated to the government policy that is the beginning of what happened in china talk about that a little bit if you don't mind sure well there's a wonderful well scary but wonderful clip from i believe it's about two years

ago and it's charlie munger who's obviously a close friend of warren buffett big wall street guy huge mega donor actually to the republican party but he's giving an interview i believe it's with cnn and they're talking about how the Chinese Communist Party handled Jack Ma. People may be familiar. He's the founder, CEO of Alibaba, though he is a member of the Chinese Communist Party. I would say he's sort of like an Elon Musk-esque figure in that he does have some autonomy from the Chinese Communist Party. He's sort of been, I think, a thorn in their side because he does represent a little bit more a drive for free markets and capitalism that the Chinese Communist Party and their socialism with Chinese characteristics doesn't totally vibe with.

But Charlie Munger in this interview, again, sort of, I would argue, representing the American elite when he's asked about how the Chinese Communist Party handled Jack Ma, whom they basically disappeared before he reemerged a couple months later, but stripped him of his company, stripped him of a lot of his earnings and businesses. He says, oh, the Chinese Communist Party handled him exactly right. What they did, we should be doing here in the United States. And that's not a paraphrase. That's virtually a direct quote. It was one of the most jarring moments of television I'd seen in a very long time. But I think that this sort of gets to what

is frankly the more damning and really, I think, scarier aspect of the Chinese Communist Party influence and infiltration angle. And what I mean by that is that I don't think that the Chinese Communist Party is no longer content or rather just content with influencing how Americans perceive of China, right? That's sort of the Confucius Institute attack, right? The soft propaganda in terms of reforming how Americans view China and view the Chinese Communist Party, which as you were alluding to, has been very successful. But I think what we're really seeing here going on in the country right now is not just elite compromise, but really this concept of elite merger. And what I mean by that is that

we can sit here and ridicule and castigate the Chinese Communist Party for how they treat their own people. And there's, of course, varying degrees of it. But I think that we're starting to see some of those tactics, the politically motivated indictments and impeachments and targeting of political prisoners and censorship, whether it's from big tech platforms or the collusion with the federal government to do that. I think there's really some hallmarks of the Chinese Communist Party's totalitarian ruling system. I think COVID exacerbated it. But I think there is a level of ideological compromise, too, going on here with our Western elites, where frankly, I think they look at the Chinese Communist Party, the power, the authority, the control that they have, and they envy it.

I mean, just look how they acted during COVID. It didn't really seem that, you know, freedom, liberty, and not sacrificing those in the name of public safety and danger, as Benjamin Franklin sort of said in a little more direct, probably more concise way, was really the guiding principle of our ruling class here. They were more concerned, I would argue, with stripping principle of our ruling class here they were more concerned I would argue with stripping us of our our rights and powers that are vested in with us through the Constitution you know um I thought I recently saw Charlie monger say he made a mistake with Alibaba so I think he's rethinking his position but are you making the case that he was talking about

i think he was talking on the instrument front yeah that's true so what what is it what is it he felt that the chinese party did right with jack ma that they basically disappeared him because he was going up against the regime that doesn't sound like charlie munger would be in favor of that that seems i'm telling you it's the most it's the most ridiculous i'll send it to you after the show we when steve and i saw it it was the cold open of our show for like two three days back to back okay please please do send it to me because it is it is i i hope i hope it's a glitch in an old man's operating system rather than something he really believed. Now, mail it to me and I'll embed it on the website. And so for people listening on the podcast, I'll embed this. It'll be at drdrew.com slash 7252023.

And Caleb, stay right there as long as we're talking to you for a second. We have had some issues with youtube lately and uh we are concerned that they are going to take away our channel or give us or something and so give us a strike because of that while we are out of town which will be the next couple of weeks after tomorrow we are going to turn kelly loose on rumble mostly next week there you go are we going to go out to Rumble tomorrow also? Are we going to be able to interview Dr. Freeman together on YouTube? We don't have a show tomorrow. Oh, wait.

Tomorrow's Wednesday. I'm sorry. The beginning of the show, we'll broadcast the beginning of the show on YouTube, but then cut it off before anything even slightly controversial is broadcast on YouTube because they've made it clear that they do not want any medical information, anything on their platform. So we have repeatedly reached out to them. We have complied with everything they've asked for in terms of rejoinders and qualifiers on everything they've asked for. But now they seem to be rattling a saber that suggests more trouble ahead. And so particularly when I'm

not here to buffer things a little bit, we're going to send Dr. Kelly fly free on rumble. It's going to be Dr. Victory unplugged. Yeah. So also if you're on YouTube, like us, like our show. So we get positive vibes. We want to keep the good channel. We want to keep coming back, but drew wants to be here to make sure that you know his it's his point of view too and right and we're we're not able to really maintain any kind of balance necessarily i'm not going to say kelly's going to go off the rails or anything but but we want her to be able to speak her truth and um and then we can also defend her honor and and then there's plenty of time for YouTube to respond to us. We're not saying that this is a done deal.

It just alarmed us to the point that we were like, hmm. Yeah, we want everybody to be sort of fluid among Twitter and YouTube and Facebook and Rumble, because if anything happens to one of the channels and we get sort of manipulated, uh, we want to be able to have you aware that there's other places to go and you can find the links at drdrew.tv. All right.

So let's keep an eye on that. And hopefully, uh, doctors conversing and disagreeing on YouTube will be something they'll be interested in maintaining as opposed to censoring or eliminating, but it's a strange time. You're a young person, Natalie. Did you ever imagine you would be living through something like this? Or is it as a younger person, you just could have flexibly go through things and not really appreciate how extraordinary

the present moment is? You know, honestly, I didn't. I grew up, I was obviously involved in politics, hence I ended up where I did. But I always thought that, you know, the threats that we would be facing, you know, in the words of Turning Point, which is sort of a youth conservative group, you know, it was big government sucks. That was sort of their strap line. And I always thought it would just be sort of Republicans versus Democrats, maybe the Uniparty versus everyone else tackling issues like tax policy. I never thought that we would have to amend big government sucks to, you know, big government and big tech and big food and big pharma and big ag all colluding together to censor anyone that says something, you know, that they don't agree with, that they are now the apparatus that we're up against. Because it's so I think, antithetical to what this country was founded on. But like I said, what sort of got me interested in the first place is, in all of this

and this investigative journalism was the why we see America, I would argue every day, slipping more and more into a sort of authoritarian, totalitarian style government, I think modeled pretty nicely after the Chinese Communist Party. But no, I really didn't. I was telling you, I grew up in Los Angeles. So I never thought I'd be working where I am now. But I really think I

know everyone every day has probably always said, Oh, I can't believe we're at this unprecedented time in history. Just like you know, they say every election is the most important election in your lifetime. But I, I do think that those are valid charges to be, to be saying now, uh, because I really do think not just the fate of the country hangs in the balance, but life as we know it, the ability to say things and not get, you know, de-platformed and demonetized. Right. Uh,

right. It's weird. It's uncanny. It's uncanny that other people believe they have the privilege to tell other people what they can discuss publicly. That's a stunning, stunning and profoundly was a move to censor him. What are these people thinking? Do you have any idea what that was? It was so uncanny to me. It was almost like comedic, but people are quite serious.

What is the thinking behind that? I mean, it's so in your face, and the irony is lost on them, right? Trying to censor a censorship hearing. But I think, frankly, it just shows you how power hungry, but I don't even necessarily know if they need to be power hungry because I think they already retain a lot of the power. These people are, they're never okay. And I think it goes back, you know, really to the fundamental example that I had always seen and experienced even firsthand, which was sort of analogous to college campuses where when conservative speakers were coming, right, people would lose their minds. They'd lose their marbles. They tried to shut down the speakers and scream and protest.

And I think the fundamental question that I would always ask is, you know, if these people's ideas are so bad, if they're so wrong, then you should want them to be heard. You should want the cameras, you should want C-SPAN, you should want the national news covering everything that they're saying, because it'll be so idiotic that it'll drive people away. And I think, frankly, that is both what both enrages everyone, but also where you see the glimmer of hope. Because if what we were saying wasn't true, if it was false, if it was easily debunkable, right, they wouldn't need a multimillion, in some cases, I would argue multi, you know, billion dollar fact checking industrial complex that is reliant on collusion with federal government agencies all the way up to the DHS, the CIA, the FBI, the DOJ.

If what we were saying was, you saying was crackpot conspiracy theories, they would just let it die, right? Because it wouldn't catch on. But I think the efforts that they've really rolled out to quash what is the new existential threat to the country, misinformation and disinformation proves that what we're saying is paradoxically all the more true. Nate Hagens, Susan calls it over the target, right, Susan? Yes.

It's over the target. That's where the fire becomes intense. Stay strong. Stay strong. Well, it's just mind-boggling to me that people want to take privilege over other people's speech, that they think that's a good thing or that they like doing that. It is so, so profoundly narcissistic. Well, you were called a quack and a misinformer,

a medical misinformer for a really long time. And I was like, this is Dr. Drew. Have you ever heard him talk? Like he's very moderate. He's not, he wouldn't give medical misinformation. He questions everything 50 times before he says anything. And it was like, it was like almost a joke, you know, when we get a strike or something, we just like, oh yeah, he's such a bad guy, you know? Well, and there have been plenty of people I've spoken to

who I didn't agree with, but now, now you're supposed to attack people for not being attacking enough to the person that you're disagreeing with. So now I have to be your attack dog, and you have to tell me, it's just, it's too much. But also the other thing that bothers me is the demonetization, which is, it's like being in a communist situation. It's like, well, you're making money off of this,

and we don't like it, so then they take it away. And it's like, okay, what's next? Well, back to your description of the college campuses with people being screamed down and all that. I'm always just trying to figure out what's going on and thankfully I had a very rich, old-fashioned, no longer existing liberal arts education. And I always look to history to try to understand the present moment. And I found myself reading a Lennon biography recently. And lo and behold, early in his work, once he became a, let's call him a thought leader, his policy, his technique was ad hominem and yell people down. That's it. Don't get into conversations with them.

Don't get into arguments. Attack the person and stay at them till you yell them down. And that's what he did his entire career. And that's what he trained other people to do. So back to China, is this something coming to us through them where people are being encouraged to do this? Is this something that just sort of happens automatically in human history or are people looking at Lennon's history and learning from it? What do you think? Well, it is interesting. I think how the ad hominem attacks, although it argued now in America,

I think in 2016, you, you know, you've called a racist, a sexist, whatever. Now it's like, you're a misinformation spread 2016, you called a racist, a sexist, whatever. Now it's like you're a misinformation spreader. You're a conspiracy theorist. So they've sort of evolved that line of attack. But specifically on the Chinese Communist Party front, it is interesting. So people may be familiar, but Donald Trump started what was called the China Initiative, which was a DOJ effort to combat really academic intrusion by the Chinese Communist Party in the United States, as well as the Thousand Talents Plan, which was sort of the opposite, which that was seeing

Western scientists, particularly in America, be pulled over to China and not disclosing that they were receiving funds from the Chinese Communist Party while concurrently taking funds from American taxpayers. And one of the foremost concerns of the Chinese Communist Party was getting this effort, this initiative shut down, which at face value was portrayed, and I would argue accurately so, as trying to stop Chinese Communist Party infiltration, particularly in academia and research. And the Chinese Communist Party, the way that they really mounted a media campaign, and what I mean

by that, this sort of goes back to what we were talking about, a lot of the universities that they had been giving millions of dollars to and the academics whose research, you know, they had been funding were then the very same researchers who were signing the letters and penning the op-eds and going on mainstream media outlets to decry the China initiative as, you guessed it, racist, as targeting Chinese people, as targeting Chinese Americans, that it wasn't motivated or fueled by national security concerns, but it was fueled by a hatred of Chinese people. Believe it or not, I'm sure most people probably believe it, the Biden DOJ did ultimately drop the China initiative program because they said it was,

as you guessed, racist. They said it was just going after people based on their race, which is, of course, something that we don't condone. But I think it goes back again to what I was saying in the beginning. Having the American people and the court of public opinion perceive the Chinese Communist Party as an ally, as a friend, as a trading partner, as opposed to a competitor, an existential threat, whether it's through kinetic information, as a friend, as a trading partner, as opposed to a competitor, an existential threat, whether it's through kinetic information, psychological media warfare, they're going to be much more okay having Chinese Communist Party linked academics come over here into the United States, you know, and teach their children, take our research dollars and work in our high

biosecurity level for laboratories than had they not. And I think it's also just important too, to make the distinction. You know, obviously, not everyone who lives in China is a member of the Chinese Communist Party. And those are some of the people who are the most repressed by the Chinese Communist Party itself. But within China, you know, not all businesses are state owned enterprises, and not all academics are necessarily under the thumb of the Chinese Communist Party, but they have what's called Article 7 in their national intelligence law over there, which stipulates that any company, entity, organization, nonprofit, person, you name it, can basically be requisitioned by Beijing, by the Chinese Communist Party, to help achieve the ends of the state. And they leave it very vague, I would argue, purposefully. And that's how you can sort of see

some of these espionage campaigns or you name it, but start to happen because while, like I said, not every person, not every company is a Chinese state-owned enterprise, they're basically dormant state-owned enterprises. They're dormant proxies of the Chinese Communist Party because at any moment in time, the Chinese Communist Party can flip a switch on and make anyone who lives in china basically do what they say or as you were alluding to you know get disappeared face the wrath of the chinese communist party in whatever form that takes uh natalie we'd be open to taking some calls after the break of course i love taking calls all right great we'll take some calls. We're also going to discuss the Department of Justice and Human Trafficking.

I'm sweating over here. I know. Susan doesn't like it. Susan's going to stay up. Well, thankfully, we're traveling, so you're going to forget everything. I have YouTube PTSD, too. The fact that YouTube came at us really got under the skin. Right now.

Because it feels like all the same stuff, doesn't it? It feels like somebody is attacking your business. They're attacking your personhood. And that is all stuff that is awfully reminiscent of the Chinese Communist Party. It feels weird that we're living through that here. That's just crazy. That's why it makes you wonder how much of an influence they have had over us. And we work so hard to get our channel here and and go by the rules and

everything and it's like all of a sudden we're not we're not going with their narrative and i it's just like what do we do what do we do and you can't get any answers that feels like right you just disappear that's right by the way somebody gave us a uh a chat uh what do they call those chats super chat super michael yawn Y-O-N they asked they need to ask you about him do you know who that is yeah I do know Michael Yan he comes on our show War Room quite often he does wonderful primary source in person uh reporting on the southern border and he's I think responsible for breaking a lot of stories about how chinese communist party spies um people who have known terrorist records and terrorist defenses have been breaching our

southern border um but he's been doing wonderful real reporting it's so wild with all the you know catastrophe going on at the southern border there are like three or four people that i can think of uh in the journalism world who are there actually boots on the ground you know getting just ridiculous footage and michael is one of them i don't know how you stay so calm if i were younger and presented with this stuff all the time i would freak out it's one thing susan at our age it's like it's bad enough but imagine you're 30 or 40 facing this all down and be like oh my god why let's throw throw in the towel looks like expatriate ourselves somewhere let's uh i've been thinking about it since i was 30 let's well it's just well yeah even thinking about it i know yeah it's ridiculous it's i i don't understand how you keep a positive attitude

but let's uh before we go to break let's put it yeah all right we can do that a different kind of podcast um but let's um throw up the upcoming guest speaking of our youtube channel uh dr kelly and i victory will be here for dr joseph freiman tomorrow uh and we'll we'll i think move that show over to youtube right i mean to rumble only Rumble. Right. And then next, the following Wednesday and Thursday, Kelly will be with David Cartland on Rumble and then Scott Scharr on Rumble. And then the following Wednesday, August 9th,

she has one more show she's going to do by herself on Rumble. By herself? I mean, without me. Oh, okay. She brings us great guests. Oh, okay. And then she- She brings us great guests. Yes, she brings in all of our controversial guests. Kelly and Emily work side by side.

But I don't know everybody. She knows everybody behind the scenes. She was censored for so long, and she just made friends with everybody, and her Rolodex is amazing. And we just want to thank her so much for bringing these people on. And again, of course, I get criticized for not being tough enough on these people. I have no idea what they're thinking until I get to them and interview them. And I've learned something from almost everyone. There are two now, I would say, where I was like, hmm, disagreed with pretty much everything

they said. I think Rancourt was one of them. I was like, I don't really, I don't know. Something's wrong with what he's presenting. But I couldn couldn't attack him he's my guest on this show uh and we have a lot of interesting guests including dr lee mangan coming back on august 15th uh ivor cummings on the 16th tom rens on the 17th to come back and give us that he's the attorney i said that has the um foia documents to talk to us about the counter-espionage theory. And Vibeke Menike, I think her name is,

who's the Danish author of the study that showed that 4% of the COVID vaccine supply was responsible for 60% of the adverse events. So we want to get that report. Hey, Tropical Rocket on Rumble gave us a rumble around ten dollars thank you very much the china does a lot of dirty stuff but more people there have come out of poverty they're more than than any civilization in history and i'm sure there's

some some fans the point is one percent has money and the rest are peasants give let's bring and communism works there because let's bring bring Natalie back in for a second. So Natalie, I'm guessing that is a plant. I'm guessing the people follow you around that are representatives of the Chinese government. No, no, no, no, no. Oh, no. There are so many people that are from poverty

that like communism, that grew up with communism. That's the way they live. It is perfectly reasonable to say that the economic miracle of a partially free market in China helped people rise out of poverty. And that is not the behavior of the Chinese Communist Party other than allowing the free market to operate. So an operative would say it was the Chinese Communist Party that brought them out of poverty. Right. operative would say it was the chinese communist party that brought them out of poverty right when in fact they sacrificed how many millions in poverty and with starvation natalie how many millions yeah 10 16 million something like that i think it's tens of millions and you include

forced abortions you're looking at i think around 100 million on the upper do you agree with me that that ain't that they have a lot of people there is it the case that people follow you around that are from that are represented that are there to give you grief from the chinese communist party that are that are there is happening in in person or uh no much more subtly much more subtly. Like we just saw somebody. Yeah. Yes. So I don't I don't know those that person's intentions necessarily. But I'll say there are two theories of the case.

One, you know, I as you could imagine, working for Steve Bannon, who has been, of course, sanctioned by the Chinese Communist Party. There is a lot of bots and trolls that are always sort of spewing the Chinese Communist party's talking points in any of the shows or live chats that we do interesting that's what that's what it felt like but from an ideological perspective right and what we're talking about these sort of mental influence campaigns in terms of portraying the chinese communist party as the savior the financial panacea to the economic woes of the people that they're very responsible for suppressing them and subjugating them to such horrible levels of poverty and, you know, killing all their family members because they have nothing to eat. You know, I could also see how someone would genuinely believe that because everything

that they were taught in university and high school and they see in the mainstream media depicts the Chinese Communist Party as sort of this economic miracle. So, you know, they're a member of the World Trade Organization. So I wouldn't be surprised if people genuinely believe that. I would argue on very, very, very false and propagandistic pretenses. But nonetheless, I think that's a perfect example of true misinformation. And Tropical Rocket, apologies, depending on what, I have no idea what your motivation is. Well, there might be some fans.

But be that as it may, he's correct that it brought more people out of poverty, except for the tens of millions they killed. So it's, you know, it's the free market. And a lot of those millions that were killed, and it happened whenever the economies get centralized, it happened in Stalin's Russia too. And it was the Ukrainian disaster that my family was running away from. And these were starvation events.

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division. So under Trump, these pages were reformed. Again, this is just, you know, DOJ.gov to include a lot of information about child sex trafficking, particularly how open borders allow for easier international movement and transportation of children. And it also talks about child prostitution and even domestic sex trafficking. So on what was supposed to be the webpage where they were listing their focus areas of concern for, like I said, this child exploitation division of the DOJ. Under Trump, up until May of this year, it listed child sex trafficking, international sex trafficking of minors, domestic sex trafficking of minors, and child prostitution, both with a few paragraphs sort of explaining

what exactly it was, how to prevent it, signs to look for. The Biden administration actually erased everything on that page, except for the first heading of child sex trafficking, and then followed up by a story that I put out just about two days ago, on what was the citizens guide to US federal law on child sex trafficking, which was supposed to be sort of an informative web page helping you identify signs of child sex trafficking victims and what exactly the criminal violations were. Under Trump, up until May of this year, it used to list about five or six statutes from the US code that applied to the broader crime of human trafficking, in particular child

sex trafficking. But they reformed the website, so they took off every single statute except for one, and they deleted hundreds of words, specifically paragraphs, like I said, going back really to the international aspect of child sex trafficking. And we've reached out to comment. The stories have been out for a while, have picked up a lot of traction. We haven't heard anything. They've given no explanation. They haven't restored any of the information. As we always say on our show, make it make sense. And I think this story in the broader context of what Biden has been doing on the southern border, specifically dropping the DNA testing requirements for family units and unaccompanied children at the southern

border when they come across either the border itself or various ports of entry i think it really makes you question um why a lot of the policies coming out of this administration seem to be playing into the hands of human traffickers you know uh adam carolla who i still do a podcast with uh has a a way of looking at some of these things that don't make sense right making it make sense and he has a very simplistic not not that he is simplistic but he distills it down to stupid or liar stupid or liar which is it are they incompetent or they lying stupid or liar which is it and it's hard to tell which it just it see it seems incompetent it seems incompetent I'm hoping that's what it is because liar this seems to premeditated but I but I did want it as it pertains to that kind

of thing before we go to calls and by the way raise your hand there if you want to get a call in I see a couple of your hands up i will get to you that um that i was listening to mark changisi again recently as a cognitive psychologist and he was saying you know we've been in a hysteria we've clearly been in hysteria for the last like six years uh and it has created these cognitive distortions and really delusional thinking. I've been thinking it for a while. Now I'm absolutely clear. The general public has been delusional to a large extent. And COVID just nailed that. And he was saying, you know, this is where witch hunts come from because it's so uncanny, as you said, you can't make it make

sense, that you start looking around for somebody to have caused it that's where you start looking for the witches who cast the spell right but he had a really interesting point which was this is where witch hunts come from for sure and sometimes there are you know conspiracies behind these things but usually it's just the fact that we have thousands of sociopaths and psychopaths waiting to kind of slip in and take control and have their way where they wish, but they can't do it when people have their normal mind. But when everyone is hysterical, they can kind of slip right in. And that's where this stuff comes from. That's where these horrible leaders step in and people comply with it and become the agents of the craziness. And we've seen a lot of that. You know, when I was, somebody was screaming at my,

their own hospital where I've been a staff member for 40 years, screaming at me, where are my, where are your papers? Where are your papers? Where are my papers? Is this a border crossing in Germany in World War II? But that's where but that's where we don't yell out to a jew first of all well but i'm a senior physician and the guys are like a newly hired security guard this feels good to you what do you have no judgment but um so what do you do you agree with that construct or do you hear more of the opinion that there's somebody pulling the strings behind the scene you know I think it goes back to context and I think when you particularly look at what has been going on at the border

um and specifically that policy that I brought attention to the DNA testing aspect of it you know lightning doesn't strike the same tree twice and in case, I think there are a lot of policies and even, frankly, people that have been embedded within the Biden administration, who I think subscribe to a very, very, very radical take on gender ideology. And while I disagree with that, you know, if they want to do what they want to do, go for it. But I think what's particularly pernicious about what the Biden administration is doing on the front of gender ideology is how they're targeting it really on children and the youngest of children and the, you know, most kindergarten K through 12 classrooms by sort of

pushing for these agendas and suppressing parents' rights. You know, you see various Democrats going on media, you know, every day Democrats going on media you know every day now I think it was just today uh the New Jersey governor saying that they want to make it law that you know if a child wants to change their gender and they're in K through 12 they don't even have to tell their parents the parents shouldn't have to be notified I think they're really we have that I think where I think we're there I think we're there already in california but but some of these extreme extreme uh positions are part of the consequence of this uh federalist system that we have of states and after all you know i i am very supportive of states having their autonomy to do their thing

the whole the whole idea in the beginning was to form a more perfect union. And I'm going to defend the state's rights to do whatever stuff they want to do because, you know, you can move. That's one of the strengths we have. We've got Game Tech here. Go ahead and unmute yourself, my friend. You're up as a speaker. Anyone else, raise your hand. You're on with Natalie Winters. Thank you so much, Dr. Drew. bet. Uh, I, I gotta,

I don't want to thwart the conversation in an area that you guys aren't, um, talking about. I just popped in and of course a chance to speak with you is pretty phenomenal. So I'm just a normal everyday guy, but I want to talk, I wanted to ask you your opinion on this, because it seems that no one wants to talk about this. And I want to say something sensational, but it's not political. OK, I just want to make that a point. This is not a political statement. Hunter Biden invested. So everyone's asking about the origins of COVID. Everyone. That's the highly contested debate. Where did COVID originate at? But no one, no one in the media, no one, no politician, no one is asking the company that was paid by the Department of Defense to track these viruses, to contain these viruses, and to find these viruses.

No one's asking that company, Metabiota, any of those questions. And Hunter Biden invested in a pandemic response. Interesting. Natalie, you know anything about this? No, I was going to say I'm actually the one that broke that story. Funnily enough. She broke that story. Okay.

Yeah. Go ahead. Let me have 20 more seconds. Go ahead. Yes, please. The reason why it's important, it's not because of the Hunter Biden situation. It's because Hunter Biden invested in a pandemic response company since February of 2014. And then one week later, the Department of Defense gives MediBiota contracts, over 200 contracts.

Prior to that, they only got 10. This was after the vice president put in charge his chief of staff, Ron Klain, in charge of the Ebola outbreak. Metabiota was hired to contain that Ebola outbreak, and they failed. You can look at multiple articles on CBS, Associated Press. They did articles about that. So my question is, why isn't the media talking more about this investment instead of

Burisma, instead of China, instead of COBOL, and instead of this prostitution and cocaine problems? Okay, fair enough. Let's let Natalie address that. What do you say? What do you think? Oh, I know you were joking

how I was having people in the chat ask certain questions. This is a perfect question. You've teed it up perfectly because I think I am uniquely qualified to answer this question. I'll tell you exactly why they never talk about it.

So I broke this story back in the early days of the Ukraine-Russia war. and it was specifically in the context of how Hunter Biden, specifically through a firm called Rosemont Seneca Technology Partners, had invested in Metabiota. how horrific they were in terms of helping people in Africa suppress the outbreak. Yet they still managed to get contracts from the Department of Defense working on, you know, bioweapons. But what was really particularly interesting and how we came into it, this was back when I was working at the National Pulse, was that a lot of the laboratories that Metabiota ran, they were actually a network of biolabs in Ukraine. And if you looked at Unearthed, and really, they had been deleted. But web pages and press releases about the work they were doing, which, believe it or not, was actually Obama had praised the work they were doing., quote, the world's most deadly pathogens. They were working on plague, anthrax, cholera, like horrible stuff and doing sort of similar

manipulations, or at least the concern was to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. So we break the story. Tucker Carlson gives it's like plays the story on air he gives us credit and literally could you not within maybe a few hours of that happening i get the top fact checker from the washington post in my twitter dms saying you're like literally accusing me doesn't know me you're spreading russian disinformation like what is it like to be a shill for the Russian government? Totally jumping to conclusions when this story had nothing, this was back. So I had done a lot of reporting on the Hunter Biden hard drive. This story had just come because I was going through emails on there and saw the connection and the Washington post. I had later had a conversation with him between my

editor. We worked it out that obviously it wasn't, it wasn't a Russian agent, but they still ran with the story. So this story has totally been tainted. As anyone who says it and brings it up, it's Russian disinformation. But doesn't that remind you of how they would behave on every COVID story that questioned any narratives? Immediately, they fill in the blank. You're condemned in some way. And it takes about a year for the truth to come out so sit tight uh yeah how long has it been

so this was i guess february uh maybe march of 2022 oh so is it are people more forthcoming about this now is this a more uh understood to be a more talked about truthful rendition yeah it's talked about in alternative media you know it's been one of those stories that's gained a lot of traction but it's the the person who's asking the question is certainly correct even when the mainstream media does maybe you know show a little leg on some of the hunter biden stuff when they talk about the barisma deals the romania stuff the china stuff they never ever ever mention um how he's been involved and invested in pandemic uh response firms they also never mentioned that he's been involved um in identity and uh basically tracking free uh payment platforms

that have been used for cross-border transactions, particularly between Mexico and the United States, and that they've even invested in Silico Medicine, which is a firm that was developing COVID-19 drugs that is a partner of Pfizer. So those are the sort of untouchable areas that the mainstream media never likes to get into. You know, as we learn more about hunters extraordinarily out of control behavior i am beginning to get increasingly concerned for his survival uh he has the kind of addictive pathology that ends in demise by various means i can think of 10 ways i've seen people like him die and i never heard him die. And I never heard him talk about recovery.

I never heard him speak about treatment. He is far enough along in the certain kind of addiction that his life is in danger. And I don't know. I'm getting increasingly concerned. And of course, if he dies of addiction, people are going to go, you see somebody did away with him. It's like, no, no, let's be, let's get on the record now that no, he's got plenty of potential of fatality built into the addictive pathology that he has. It's really something. All right, Josh, bring you on up

here. Let's ask question. Uh, now the winners,osh go ahead hi dr drew hey um so the thing with me is i i don't want to be the person that says this is conspiracy theories because i think time will show whether or not it's true or not but the thing that i want to point to is something that you said about psychology, which is where's ground zero when the paranoia begins and where we're really being scientifically accurate in the way we research these topics and how we speak about them. Because I honestly don't know enough about it to say that but I do know something about the mind and I know paranoia is very seductive for the mind paranoia is very seductive it's like a drug it's like alcohol for some like alcohol for the alcohol so for some right so I'm not yeah I'm not yeah what this is I'm not saying that this is what this yeah I want to be very clear no i get you i get you

yeah but i'm wondering here's the here's the here's the piece here's the piece the the the the salve to the wound that we are missing is open free consistent debate and dialogue that that's the the oh you know fresh air sunshine that is the only hope for these disturbances of thought and we are explicitly bringing down that capacity we're we're i mean we talked about an hour ago it was about a censorship you're going into a censorship uh hearing and you make a move to censor somebody for spurious reasons i mean this is this is anathema to what needs to be happening right now, particularly in circumstances like this. Robert F. Kennedy said another thing too,

which is that if the government would stop lying, it would bring people together very naturally. I now thought it's yes, that would help. I thought that was a great assessment, but it's also you can't keep censoring people. Things are not going to get better if people are being censored. Well, Natalie, how do you not have trouble sleeping at night? Again, your composure- She has a gun under her pillow. Sorry, it takes more than a gun, I'm afraid. You're assuming I sleep well at night.

Well, so what do you imagine? I mean, how do you move forward? What do you imagine the future holds? What is your sort of, do you have solutions? Do you have ideas? Do you have predictions? I know it's very, I'm not forcing you to make it. I know that's always a very bad, you know, sort of request for people, but I'm wondering if you, in your private moments, if you have any thoughts about where we're going and how to get there. Yeah. I mean, I think it's, it's not really even a hypothetical prediction. I think the United Nations kind of world economic forum groups of the world, the people that subscribe to the kind of global government model are very specific in what they want our future to be. And I'm not just talking about,

you know, the cliche, eat the bugs, live in the pods, you'll own nothing and be happy. But more concretely, you know, they want the digital currencies, they want the social credit scores, they want the vaccine passports, they want to interlink your ability to move and really do anything in this world to your beliefs. And I think the other side of that coin is the misinformation, disinformation, witch hunt, right? That crusade. We see, like I said, the convergence of the fact checkers with the federal government and big social media platforms. So I think what I get scared about is, frankly, just when they open their mouths because the future that they have

in store for us i don't think they're they're that coy about it or if they are what they are plotting behind closed doors i'm sure is is a heck of a lot worse well i'm i'm very aware of the world health organization treaty so-called where um the health and well-being of the um granite structures outside your home are going to have equivalent value to your own life well-being of the granite structures outside your home are going to have equivalent value to your own life well-being and health so i am gravely concerned about what they're going toward but it's just so confusing to me how people can run toward things like that or feel good about telling other people how to live their lives this way it seems the exact opposite of the evolution of humanity but i i don't know i it we've been here before it never goes well it just never goes well if if there was any example of it being a a good way to go maybe i'd be a little more

understanding but it never goes well is it just just people tell themselves, well, this time it will be different? I don't know what it is. I think, you know, that there's sort of a disconnection between what the people, you know, what exactly does that even mean? One, when I think the people, I think normal people like you and myself, not part of the sort of Davos elite, right? The members of the WHO, the people who are pushing and benefiting from the extended powers and protections of the sort of Davos elite, right? The members of the WHO, the people who are pushing and benefiting from the extended powers and protections of the pandemic treaty. But it doesn't seem like,

and I think frankly, that's what sort of the hidden blessing of COVID was that in some ways, I don't think that their plan totally worked. I think people pushed back. In other words, I think a lot of people sort of woke up to what was going on with the vaccine mandates and the math natalie and i think that i would say the

scary thing you're right but the scary thing is so their response is well now we got to really clamp down now we got to get this right and that is the scariest thing of all uh it's and people have to be aware that there is intent such as that and they and they cannot cave to it it really is very dangerous well i appreciate you being here other than uh what caleb's got questions okay go ahead real quick quick question yeah natalie i'm actually curious like where did you how did you get to this point? There aren't very many people that are in like in our generation that are arguing on this side of the aisle that are speaking, you know, on Steve Bannon's show. That's, I don't know hardly anyone in our age group that are interested in these topics. So is this something that you studied? Have you been interested in this since you were a child and now you're into broadcasting? How did you get into this? I will give the very abridged life story, but I grew up in Los Angeles. And for some reason within me, when I turned 18 and graduated, I moved out to D.C. to intern for Steve's old co-host. And like I said, I heard a lot of people talking about, you know, Chinese compromise and oh, so-and-so is bought and paid for by China.

But I've always wanted the evidence. I've always wanted to be able to back up anything that I say. So because I was working with a lot of people who are, you know, older, didn't necessarily know how to use the internet was sort of a niche to be able to footnote. That's what I always say a lot of the statements they were making when it came to compromise. But when I started digging, and really digging and digging, what I began to uncover more and more, it really just blew my mind. So I was then more and more intrigued and you are right, I am an anomaly for my age group, I think.

But I think it goes back to what you were saying in the beginning too, is that, you know, I feel like we used to perceive of political differences as, oh, you know, Republicans versus Democrats fighting over tax cuts or abortion. But it's so much bigger than that when you're talking about the Chinese Communist Party's quest for global ambition and hegemony

because they're recruiting people from both parties to do their bidding. And that was sort of what I realized. Well, thank you for sharing it with us. I would say that Caleb, I am noticing a contingent of folks younger even than Natalie starting to sound like this to me. I'm seeing a fairly and thoughtful and smart people, young people sort of thinking for themselves quite literally. And that's what is required right now. I think that they've, they've always existed, but they haven't known that there are others

out there that are in our age group that are thinking about these topics. And so they keep quiet and they just stick on, you know, they stick with the topics that are popular on TikTok because they don't realize that there's a lot of other people out there concerned with these same issues in our age group. So it's, that's why I'm always so interested in like, how did you get here? Why, why did you step outside, I guess, of the boundaries of most people in our generation to talk about these topics. So it's very interesting. Well, we thank you for having done so and for sharing it with us here. Natalie, other than Twitter, anywhere else you'd like people to head on over, maybe to the war room or where would you like them to go?

Yeah, you can also find me on Instagram and Facebook and Getter. And then you can go to warrooms.org and the show is live from 10 to 12, Eastern Standard Time and 5 to 7. All right, Natalie Winter, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. All right, Natalie Winters, everybody. Follow her on Twitter, Natalie G. Winters. And tomorrow, Dr. Kelly Victory comes on and joins me with Joseph Freeman.

Again, we might have to migrate that show over to Rumble because we are under an uncertain circumstance with YouTube. David Cartland. With our Paleo Valley beef sticks. And August 3rd, Scott Shara. I think I misspoke on August 9th. I think we might have David Martin in here on August 9th. And that will be me and Kelly. And that will be on YouTube, I trust.

And that is what's upcoming. We put that up there again, Caleb. What's upcoming is a bunch of things you can't see on YouTube. I told him, I said, you know, let's just cut short. And then he sends me this these i go we don't want to be too blatant about it but um i think there's a lot of anger coming out of me and caleb right now yeah i know it's a lot of anxiety about this if talking about china has not helped either of you definitely not but if anything, it's like I have a personal, I'm personally offended by this.

For one thing, it's YouTube. I've been on YouTube for over 10 years. That's where I got my start. So to see the platform that I love so much. I also, I met my wife through YouTube. Like we met at a YouTube convention and now we're, oh, our second kid's due in October. Oh yeah. So to see YouTube fall this far and then to go in and suppress

dr fucking drew just drives me insane i can't i don't understand it you're they can't possibly believe that their moderators are more of an expert on medical topics than someone who's been a licensed physician for decades that that's just it doesn't make any sense to me. So it makes me mad. It's not me that they have issue with. It's who I interview. And then- No, and who you interview and then the fact that we're getting money for it. And then they have notes on how I should interview them, which that's the part that I think is outrageous, which is, you know, it's one thing if I interview people with outlying ideas, go, I think there's other

hang on susan hang on hang on i need to clarify this if these outlying ideas and then i go this guy is right listen to what he's saying oh my god this is the one and only truth that's different than me just listening to people and not smushing them because i haven't thought about it long enough they're my guest uh. I don't have to agree. You don't have to agree. We're just listening to their opinions. Yeah, but it's also like you got poked by a mediamatters.org, which, you know,

they were pointing out all the horrible guests you've had. Susan, what was the other point you wanted to make? The other point is that people can complain about our YouTube channel, and it may go into a big bucket, and they go, okay, you've been deplatformed or whatever, but we don't know yet. They haven't responded. So they may come back and go, oh no, we're so sorry. Don't worry about it. And then we'll be back up. Well, we are certainly, uh,

open to direction from YouTube as we've always been, and we will continue to do so. Uh, in the meantime, though, I'm going to send Kelly over to rumble because I'm not here to supervise and her ideas are not the same as mine, as we pointed out many, many times over the months we've been doing these shows. We will be back with Kelly and myself tomorrow at 3 o'clock Pacific time and that is our last show for Susan and I until August 9th. So, we'll see you tomorrow at 3 o'clock.

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