Ask Dr. Drew - “Never Have Smoking Guns”: DOJ Indicts Fauci Advisor Dr. David Morens For Coverup of Pandemic Records w/ Dr. Kelly Victory & Nicolas Hulscher — Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 617

Episode Date: May 3, 2026

This week, the DOJ indicted Dr. Fauci’s senior advisor Dr. David Morens for destroying federal records and hiding communications, allegedly to protect the COVID-19 “natural origins” narrative and bury what health officials knew in 2020. This marks the historic first criminal prosecution of a top pandemic official. “We are all smart enough to know to never have smoking guns, and if we did we wouldn’t put them in emails,” Dr. Morens allegedly wrote in June 2020. He encouraged NIH colleagues and EcoHealth Alliance president Dr. Peter Daszak to communicate with him via Gmail – specifically to avoid FOIA requests. Dr. Kelly Victory joins Dr. Drew to expose the massive FDA cover-up of VAERS safety signals recently revealed by Senator Ron Johnson, detailing how officials allegedly masked severe adverse events from the public. Epidemiologist Nicolas Hulscher breaks down the alarming rise in young adult cancers, the controversial link to pesticides, and why the latest studies on Paxlovid spell disaster for Big Pharma. Dr. Kelly Victory is Chief of Emergency & Disaster Medicine at The Wellness Company. A trauma and emergency specialist with over 30 years of experience, she served as Chief Medical Officer for Fortune 500 companies and is an alumna of Harvard’s National Preparedness Leadership Initiative. She is a contributing author of “Toxic Shot: Facing the Dangers of the COVID Vaccines.” Follow at https://x.com/DrKellyVictory Nicolas Hulscher is an epidemiologist and administrator for the McCullough Foundation. He earned a Master of Public Health (MPH) degree with a specialization in epidemiology from the University of Michigan School of Public Health. Follow at https://x.com/NicHulscher 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • VANMAN - Go to http://vanman.shop/drew and use code DREW for 15% off your first order • NATIVEPATH - Take advantage of my 56% off bundle at ⁠https://GetNativeCreatine.com/Drew⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

So I don't believe everyone gets the opportunity to see that clip rolled in. Caleb, correct me if I'm wrong on that. But I just want to review it because it is so astonishing. That was from, I believe, almost three years ago. It's Mike Benz showing us the emails that had been uncovered, a giant sort of trove that had been uncovered that showed guys like Fauci's right-hand man, David Morins, urging people to delete their email. not to let anything in regard to gain of function or Peter Dajic, any of those topics, just delete your emails.

Then he goes on to talk in these emails, talk about smoking guns, how to avoid FOIA request. So the American people who are paying these salaries have no way to discover or uncover what it is they're thinking about, particularly as it pertains to gain of function and or origin theories. So this was an extraordinary finding. It's been around for a while, and now it's sort of coming more to light as the Congress kind of slowly wakes up to what was going on here. Ron Johnson has been a major force in all of this. We'll be discussing him, of course. Let me just talk about who my guests are.

We've got Nick Holscher coming in here. He has been publishing some great papers lately. We're going to review some of that, both in terms of cancers that are coming up and ideas for possibly treatment of cancer, novel ideas, repurposing medication. Our right to try, certainly. If people want to try certain things, that they have exhausted other modalities, he's looking at things that might be useful. And people are very excited. I'm looking at the re-stream and over on the rant.

Dr. Kelly Victory is back with us. And you guys love her. And so because you do so much, you like her so much, we, of course, bring her back whenever we can. Dr. Kelly, Victory, will be here with us. We've got a lot to talk about. We're going to talk about brain tumors and accelerated colorectal cancers in young people. Ron Johnson, his campaign in Congress, the new Surgeon General appointee.

What we feel about that and what Kelly maybe has some ideas about the previous appointee. So we'll get to all that and more right after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for a sick.

Where do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveland all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. Do you have trouble?

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Also an expert in disaster preparedness. You can find Kelly Victory, most places at DR Kelly Victory. Dr. Victory, welcome back. Hey, thanks as always for having me. It's always fun. It is indeed. And there's a lot going on today. I almost don't know where to start.

What is your sort of, what is grinding your gears, as they say on Family Guy? Well, I have to, after listening to that clip from Mike Benz back in 2024, I have to say, Dr. David Warren's, Anthony Fauci's right-hand man, his chief advisor, is like the worst criminal ever. I mean, here's a dude who is so, you know, he says, you know, I know how to not leave a smoking gun as he leaves a smoking gun, a trail of them. in his own emails. And it's because he truly was hamstrung by his own hubris. His absolute overwhelming ego like the rest of them, his disdain for the American people like the rest of them. And by the rest of them, I mean the Peter DeSax and Anthony Fauci's. They just thought they were too smart by half. And instead, what they've done, thankfully, and it may take a while, but the chickens have come home to roost. We've got, you know, Ron Johnson.

like a dog on a bone here with these emails and with other evidence of cover-ups in our government that have gone on that date back, you know, probably to the first Trump administration, certainly through the entire Biden administration, and some continuing on today. And Ron Johnson's there exposing it. Hopefully he will get the ear of both sides of the aisle, who you would think would care about the fact that an advisor to Anthony Fauci was committing a felony by destroying evidence, by keeping from the people who pay their salary, i.e. the American people, data that they have every right to know. Yes, that is the shocking part.

So I like the way you opened with some of the psychology here, because I think you described something in a way I've not really thought about or I certainly not heard anyone else describe. But before I do, we spoke to Ron Johnson a couple of times. Were you with me when we did that? Oh, yeah, yeah. And I've spoken to Ron Johnson many, many times before and after that. He's truly, I believe, has tried very hard to bring information, certainly about the vaccines,

about vaccine injuries and about the COVID cover up in general, trying to bring that information to Congress, to the American people, and to President Trump himself. I know that Ron Johnson told me on the Air Force One on the way to the last rally in Wisconsin prior to this second election of Donald Trump that he tried to show the president data with regard to vaccine injuries. And at the time the president simply was not interested in looking at that. I know it's a tough pill to swallow, particularly when Operation Warped speed and everything around it was sort of a crown jewel. if you will, in Trump's mind of his first administration. But I have said from the beginning,

I think it would be in President Trump's best interest to get it, you know, not only to know the truth, but to get his arms around it and to come clean with American people. I don't think for a minute that Trump intended, unlike these other guys, Dey, Fauci, you know, Morin's. President Trump didn't intend to do anything, but what was in the best interest of the American people. He unfortunately was lied to by many, many layers of people.

Rochelle Wollensky acknowledges, you know, Deborah Burke acknowledges that they lied to the president in attempt to get through their agenda. So I don't think Trump intended for things to go the way they did, but the reality is they did not go well. The vaccine program was an unmitigated disaster. And I think it would be in his best interest to. to acknowledge that. I think, though, there's a way to approach him to get him to do that, is to go, hey, look, the worst, that was an extraordinary thing. What a, you know, hats off to you, sir.

What a wonderful effort that was. And what an extraordinary sort of feat of scientific rigor to get that done. But unfortunately, all that was completely brushed away, washed away by the mandates and the swamp. who unfortunately took away this great effort that you perpetrated. I mean, really, look, they might have saved the lives. It's possible that the vaccine might have been very useful for old people, and we left everybody else alone.

And, you know, that would have been a wonderful, that it would have been a wonderful success. When we're starting to mandate college kids and children, well, now you've got a big problem. Yeah, I think the reality is somebody needs to explain to the president, and I certainly would be happy to do it, that there are certain things in life. And unfortunately, vaccines, I happen to be one of them,

where all the money in the world does not substitute for time. There is only one way to do the required safety trials on vaccines and new medications, new therapeutics, other medical interventions. There's no substitute for 12, 24, 36-month intervals, regardless of how much money and effort you want to put into it. That's just the fact. There's no way to do it. There's no way to have a baby.

You know, you can't speed it up and say, well, if I try really, really hard, can I crank out a baby in three months? The answer is no, you cannot. Unfortunately, certain things take time and there is no substitute for that. And that's the harsh reality. And it has nothing, you know, so I understand the president is not a scientist. He isn't supposed to be. He is supposed to be able to trust the people around him.

And we are now finding out, this isn't just my opinion or your opinion, we have the evidence. We now have the receipts that these people were lying. They were deceitful. And they committed felonies in order to do it. And the swamp was preventing access to information about the deaths of children, Ron Johnson. finally revealed here. It's got to be very frustrating to him. He's been at this for like four years.

And I feel like it's just now sort of hitting a critical mass where people are becoming aware of what he's known for a long time. Yeah. As he said, it was over 11, it is, more than 11 million pages that need to be gone through of stuff. There's so much the sheer volume that they've got to go through and figure out who all was, you know, is complicit in this. Where did all the lies go? Undoubtedly, there is some stuff that they were

successful in deep-sixing. What stuff did David Morens actually delete that we, you know, have not gotten back from the, you know, from the machine? There's undoubtedly a lot of data, but we know the actors. Many of us knew who the actors were early on. We knew they were evil. We knew that Anthony Fauci had perjured himself over and over again in front of Congress. He absolutely was funneling U.S. taxpayer dollars through the EcoHealth Alliance, you know, through Peter Dezac and the EcoHealth Alliance over to the lab in Wuhan, China. I said, you know, the thing that got me, you might not remember this, the thing that got me kicked off all of social media in January of 2020. I mean, we were three weeks into the, quote, pandemic when I said this was a lab-created virus. This has all the earmarks of a lab manipulated, lab-created, non-naturally occurring virus.

And, you know, I got kicked off Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, everything. And now it's pretty much common knowledge and acknowledged even by our own three-letter agencies that, in fact, yes, this was a lab-created virus. Only now, six years later, more than six years, that they're acknowledging this. So the arc of justice is long, you know, or the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice. Yeah. I said Martin Luther King.

And that's how, that's how I feel. It is long, but it does bend towards justice. And having said that, you opened with an interesting assessment of the ego sort of excesses of these people to be able to think. I don't know if it's a function of having been in these positions for so long or if they really were this narcissistic to begin with, that they were thus say at the Lord and the opposite of humility to the point where even instructing other people out of break the law

felt like the right thing to do. That to me is an extraordinary situation where people are given that much power. I mean, no wonder things were out of control. Well, they take their lead from none other. I mean, you know, who's the Olympian for that? Bill Gates. Bill Gates is the Antichrist. You know, he believes that he is absolutely, you know, the Oracle. He believes that he knows better than everybody else. He knows what's best for humanity. And he is going to, you know, apply whatever he needs to apply in terms of whatever they need to do. And many of them, many of the bad actors in this, including Anthony Fowell,

We're on the record multiple times, not just once or twice, saying things like the problem is Americans just aren't scared enough yet. We need to make life uncomfortable for them. We need to make life so miserable for them that they will give in. I mean, this is what all totalitarian governments do. Make people as miserable as possible. So finally, you just say, I'll do whatever you want if you just stop. just make it stop, make the pain stop. And that is the playbook they used.

And this is a people who are, these are people to a person, narcissistic, egomaniacal, very, very, you know, really on the sociopathic spectrum where they feel no, no empathy at all for the people they're harming. Because as far as they're concerned, they have been anointed to fix whatever ails us, and they know better. It's wild. If it's true. But we heard Francis Collins say it.

I mean, he said it himself, right? And we did not consider the potential downside of anything. We're going to go fix this thing. And who cares who we hurt in the meantime? It's the wildest thing. Right. It's crazy. The opposite of products in medicine.

Let's quickly, we're going to bring Nick in a second here. We'll talk about cancers and some other things that we're worrying about. But I want to talk with you a little bit about the Surgeon General appointee. We have Nicole Sapphire, who has been a Fox commentator. somebody I've known for a while. I've known her to be a lovely person, a good clinician, she highly trained, married to her neurosurgeons, or she knows medicine, kind of inside and out. Any thoughts on your side? Yeah, well, I don't know her well personally. I have no reason to think that she's anything other than a lovely human being. If we look, I'm concerned about certain

parts of it. Number one, she is leagues better than the last nominee, Dr. Casey, means, who hopefully everybody knows by now, although she has a medical degree, she did not finish her residency. She dropped out. She never treated patients outside of her training. She does not have an active medical license and on and on. So I think she was a terrible choice, and I did not think she would ever get confirmed, although I think the reason she didn't get confirmed are not the reasons that I would have and not wanted her. My concerns about Nicole Satt. Tell me what that was.

Wait, Kelly, I'm not sure I'm on board. I know what that was. What I'm saying is, I wouldn't have wanted her to confirm for the reasons I just rattle off. She's not a credible physician. She certainly doesn't have the respect of the medical community. I don't know what the reason. What did the Congress concoct? I'm not sure what their reasoning was.

Bill Cassidy. is a Republican who essentially deep-sixed her potential to be confirmed because she is not deeply in the pocket of big pharma and was not willing to say vaccines, vaccines, vaccines, you know, and Bill Cassidy, who gets his bread buttered by Big Pharma, he is the Big Pharma lap dog. You know, look, it is. There are many of them in Congress, but he's one of the worst. And he essentially applied whatever subterfuge was required to make sure that she didn't get confirmed. And so that is certainly not. Now, my concern is that in Nicole Sapphire, we have someone, again, lovely person, reasonably well trained.

She did go to medical school in Barbados. I prefer people who actually are able to get into U.S. medical schools. But she did excellent training, and she's been a radiologist. She's a breast specialist. Unfortunately, as a result of being a radiologist and a breast specialist, it means she doesn't treat patients. Average laypeople might not know that, but the average breast radiologist never meets the patient.

She doesn't own a stethoscope, I'm sure, that you don't meet the patient. She's not an interventionalist. And so she doesn't really, I think, have her finger on the pulse necessarily. of what Americans are going through in health care. She doesn't have a background at all in pediatrics or in public health, all of things that I think would be very beneficial to someone as a surgeon general. That said, she is a very good communicator, and I think will garner the respect of the rest of the medical community

because, as I said, at least she's trained, she did a residency, She's a medical license. She's boarded in radiology. And I think comes across very, very well. So I do believe she will be confirmed. I can't say whether or not she will be in the tank for big pharma and everything else. She certainly during the pandemic droop was all in. She was pro vaccine, pro-masking, pro-social distancing, pro-lockdown.

She was all of those things up until the point when, it was like five years later when it became very safe to say, maybe everybody shouldn't, you know, maybe healthy kids shouldn't get COVID vaccines. You know, so she she stayed very much with the, you know, the narrative, the prescribed narrative during the first years of the pandemic. So again, anybody, you know, I welcome anybody who now, you know, has the epiphany, has seen the light and has come to the other side.

And I'm hoping that described. Dr. Saffer. I really do hope that's the case. And as I said, she is leagues better than Casey means. Yeah, it's extraordinary. It's taking two years to fill that position. And as you and I have discussed, I don't know who would want it, frankly. I thought that the Surgeon General had to be in the military first.

I thought that too, Susan. I thought that they needed that. Whenever I had met the Surgeon General in the past, they actually were dressed in the ones I met were actually in Navy gear. That's because you actually become, you become, it's a military position. But many, many former surgeons general were not in the military before. So you actually become, it's a militarized position. And so, and they wear that ridiculous uniform that undermines, I think, their credibility.

It's the general part. Yeah. Yeah. That's one of the many things. thinks I would have changed had I landed the position. But I do, you know, and I think that she will likely, that Nicole Sefer will likely be confirmed. She's got far less of a hurdle. You know, the fact that Casey Means was pro, you know, eating psychedelic mushrooms and did a lot of just sort of, there you go,

it's a commissioned, it's a commissioned position. So thank you for that. So it's a vice admiral. So it's a vice admiral. That's why the Navy outfits. Exactly. Interesting. Exactly.

But in fact, I'll tell you what, she will not be in the bag. Here's whom I know for sure she will not be in the bag for. And that is public health. So if I have any sway and ability to contact her, that's what I'm going to sort of push on. Like you've got to change that system. The system's got, it's out of control. and that would be interesting to see if she can do something like that. Yeah, I think, as I said, I guess, you know, my concern is anybody who did not display what I consider to be, you know, basic critical thinking skills as a position.

You know, I didn't say what I said about, you know, masks not working or say what I said about social distancing being made up and all these things, you know, because I was a good guesser. I said those things because we've known those things for decades. Masks simply do not do much to stop the spread of a respiratory virus. It's folly to think that they do. They do more harm than good on children where the masks are too big for their faces and they end up trapping CO2. They do a lot of harm in other ways to children, including causing them to develop social anxiety. They have increase in dental carries, lots of problems.

And unfortunately, so when Nicole Staffier got on Fox News and was like, wear your mask, wear your mask. I thought, you know, this is basic critical thinking. And unfortunately, you know, those people don't forget that stuff. But I think overall she is likable and will be credible. And I suspect she will have a much easier time getting confirmed. So we're going to take a little break and we will welcome to keep Dr. Victory. and we will welcome Nick Holsher.

He does have a mastered in public health. I didn't know Nick had an MPH. I'll get some of his maybe push on him a little bit about the excesses. And don't forget that we still have phone lines that are open at 8333, DR, DRAW, 8333, 8333, Dr. Drew. And this is your one chance to ask Dr. Victory or Nick Holscher questions. It's a loaded panel that I would think you guys would want to ask something of. Nick, of course, is epidemiologist and administrator at the McCullough Foundation.

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Dr. Drew. I was just telling Susan, I brought that van man, lip and eye cream with me on this secret trip I took, which I'll be telling you about one day soon. Quite extraordinary. Nick Holscher, epidemiologist, administrator from a cullough Foundation. He, we're going to get specifics. University of Michigan School of Public Health, masters there, degree with specialization in epidemiology.

he has contributed to many scientific publications and he's just an extraordinary ability to publish and welcome Nick Holshur Nick did I get your graduate program right was it a Michigan yes you got it correct thanks for having me you bad good to see you sir so Kelly I want to give you a chance to I've never had I don't think I can't remember the last time out of the three of us together and a lot of a lot is I want to say

water under the bridge, let's say. A lot, Nick has put out a ton of publication. A lot of people have been vindicated in terms of their ideas about what was going on with COVID and what alternative therapies might be useful. Which of those processes or publications caught your attention and what should we discuss with Nick about it? Well, I obviously see the one that I'm most interested in is our most recent one that we did on ivermectin and mabendazol for cancer. And, you know, that was one that came out of the wellness company. A purely observational study, by the way, but we saw more than 200 patients taking that

combination of ivermectin and mabendazol for a wide range of cancers and then queried them as to what impact, if any, the medications had on their cancer. And the results are really quite remarkable. Nick get into the weeds on it, but 84% of those 197 people had a positive outcome, either regression of their cancer or someone into total remission. That was, you know, 48% had regression or total remission of the cancer. Another 36% had no progression. You know, their cancer stayed the same over a period of time, and only 15.5% had progression of their cancer.

Again, doesn't prove definitively anything because there are a lot of confounding factors in a study of this sort. But the results are quite compelling and certainly would demand at a minimum money and time and resources to be put into a large randomized controlled trial. So, Nick, that's my fave because I think it's very timely and there are millions of Americans every year dealing with cancer and millions more who have yet to be. be, unfortunately, have yet to be diagnosed, and that's coming too. We can, that kind of dovetail us into the increased cancer rates. But, you know, we've got a lot of traction on the, on that recent study, Nick, and I'm sure you've been doing a lot of interviews on that as well. Yeah, it really exploded. It really exploded. And it came at a critical juncture, a critical time where now it's actually one in three Americans are projected to develop cancer in their lifetime, 33%.

and it's the second leading cause of death worldwide. So, you know, we've got to find a way to put an end to it because clearly the conventional model, what's going on now? It seems to not be working as we wanted to. You know, 33% of Americans should not be developing cancer. It keeps going up, so we've got to bring it down. And you laid it out perfectly. 200 cancer patients after six months of taking the hybramectin

and Mbendazole compounded tablets, 84.4% of them reported to have benefited after those six months. And you're right, it's absolutely shocking that we had basically half reporting either their cancers disappeared or their tumors were shrinking. And so, you know, when you have an 84.4% clinical benefit ratio. When you first put that data up, I reviewed the paper with Kelly and everybody else at wellness. And I was actually in disbelief. I was there's got to be something wrong with this. And I still kind of feel that way.

But the numbers speak for themselves. And I'm surprised that other people, it's so dramatic that it sort of defies criticism other than, hey, you're lying. You know what I mean? Which nobody would be dumb enough to say that. So it really speaks volumes about the need for further study. Yeah, to be clear, Drew, you know,

Dr. Harvey Riesh and I put together the questions that we asked the patients. They were very simple. We didn't get into, you know, we didn't request scans. We didn't request lab results. We simply said to people, sort of, we asked them about what happened. You know, where's your cancer now? You know, did you have any side effects? Those sorts of, they were very simple.

It was a really kind of, talk about a grassroots study. It really was. And then we gave all the data to Nick and Nick, you know, applied his magic. to it and crunch these numbers as an epidemiologist can. And I mean, the results are, in my mind, quite, I mean, compelling, I think is the right word. Yes. Well, listen, we're going to have larger sample sizes soon, you know, 400, 500, maybe a thousand cancer patients in the next one. And we're going to look and see and see if it confirms the 84.4%. And we've seen other cancer doctors, oncologists who are prescribing these reports similar ranges of clinical benefit like 70 to 90 percent.

And so we believe we'll get a similar ratio, but we'll have to wait and see, you know, clinical trials, double-blind, randomized placebo-controlled trials, we need to do those. You know, those costs millions, tens of millions of dollars. And so, you know, we got to start somewhere. And again, the clinical benefit rate, 84.4% corroborates and makes sense with the preclinical data. They've tested these compounds, these antiparacidics and mice over and over again, hundreds of studies, and they've found both of them combined exert over 14 distinct anti-cancer mechanisms across more than 12 cancer types. And most promising ones, apoptosis

in cancer cells, obviously programmed cell death. It cuts off angiogenesis, the blood supply to some of these tumors. It targets cancer stem cells, literally. the source of some of these cancers that causes cancer reoccurrence. So you want to eliminate those. And we could just keep going down the list. It disrupts microtubules. The cell scaffolding essential for cancer cell division. It slices that off. They can't divide anymore in the laboratory experiments. So, you know, very promising and makes biological sense. And I think, you know, a couple of quick points, Drew, I think, that are really important. Number one, there's nothing about this combination, Ivermecatein and mibendazole that would preclude a patient from continuing

or partaking of more traditional therapies for cancer, including chemotherapy radiation. In fact, there is some very clear evidence that ivermectin in particular might reverse chemotherapy resistance. Just like bacteria can become resistant to an antivorpe. biotic, cancer cells can become resistant to chemotherapy, where it worked for a while and all a sudden it doesn't. And it appears that Ivermectin may in fact reverse that, very, very important. And ultimately, the brass ring for cancer treatment is to find something, some therapy, some drugs, some intervention that kills the cancer, prevents it from migrating, prevents it

developing while at the same time not decimating healthy cells, particularly the immune system. And God knows, chemotherapy may kill cancer cells, but it kills a heck of a lot of other stuff in the process, including your immune system. Ivermectin and Mibendazol, if anything, are neutral and more likely actually enhance immune function. And I feel very strongly about the right to try. The fact that anyone would discourage patients from trying something they want to try is sort of disgusting to me. If there's some evidence here, somebody wants to try it, they've exhausted other modalities. Even if they haven't exhausted, they have a right to try things.

But let's graduate to talking a little more about the rising incidence of cancer, something that when you and I, Kelly, started talking about a couple of years ago, we started worrying this was happening. We started seeing stuff, and you would get kicked off YouTube and Facebook if you suggested it. And even if you asked what's causing this, remember us going around and around, vaccine, COVID, both, whatever, but something seems to be happening. All of that was forbidden questions in science. Think about that. I think how insane that is. But what are we seeing now?

Yeah. Yeah, I'll let Nick take the first bite at that. Yeah, well, what we've seen now recently confirms that we are indeed seemingly in a cancer epidemic. since the mRNA injections began. We now have four independent data sets from three countries. We'll start with the most latest, the U.S. Sear data sets run by the National Cancer Institute. It stands for Surveillance Epidemiology and End Results Program. It's the gold standard for cancer incidents, new cancer cases in the United States.

So now that we have the 2023 data that took years to get, we see from 2021 to 2023, overall cancers, early onset cancers, ages under 50, jumped up 6.4%. But then we looked at the specific cancer types, and many of them increased by up to 20%. Brain tumors up 19%, colon cancer, up 19%. Again, since 2021, since the MRNA injection campaigns, stomach cancer, small intestine cancer, ovarian cancer, breast cancer. We saw surges in all of these. And then, but it confirms two large population studies, one in Italy and one in South Korea.

Both of them combined at 8.7 million people vaccinated versus unvaccinated, and the vaccinated suffered increased risks of seven major cancers. Some of the very same cancers we see in the new gold standard U.S. data set. And then lastly, we have CDC mortality data, which shows 138,000. excess cancer deaths. So 138,000 more cancer deaths than normal since 2021. Yeah, I think the data are irrefutable. We've got a graph that maybe Caleb can put up that shows these increases that Nick is talking about in what we call early onset cancers, meaning those in people under the age of 50, which absolutely, there it is. You can see that, you know, in 2021,

that's when you started to see that, you know, really big change in the trajectory of those lines. Now, you know, full disclosure, some of the cancers were increasing over a period of years before increasing in rates, specifically colorectal cancers in people under the age of 50, as well as the incidence of brain tumors. But even with those increasing rates of those cancers, still something happened. And it's very clear on that graph. still something happened in 2021, and we all know what it was. Interestingly, Drew, to kind of address that question, well, how do we know it wasn't COVID?

Well, we know that COVID was in this country, at least in the fourth quarter of 2019 and all of 2020 during the more virulent delta strain in particular. Yet we didn't see increases in cancers at all from the fourth quarter of 2019 through 2020. It's after the rollout of the vaccine program that those lines start to change. This confirms what those of us we're seeing patients have seen. We all know that we are seeing huge increases in the incidence of things like pancreatic cancer, very aggressive colon cancers. and as you mean, meaning colon cancers and people in their 20s and 30s. And when you think about the fact that standard of care is to have your first screening colonoscopy, okay, at the age of 40, you know, or 50.

Now, you'd have to drop that by 30 years in order to pick these cancers up, true. You're not talking about saying, oh, maybe you should get one at, you know, 45 instead of 50. You're saying you better get one at 20, you know, or 18. We've never seen. Yeah, it's crazy, but it's our new reality. We've got a couple of calls here that I want to get to them really quickly because we have an embarrassment of riches here with you guys. So I appreciate you being open to input or questions from our audience. And this is Nanette.

Hi, Dr. Drew. Thanks for having this segment on because I have stage four, Overeux. cancer. And last week, I asked my doctor when I came in for treatment if I could go on iburemectin and the other medicine. And she told me no, that it doesn't work with ovarian cancer. Is that true? Or how can I find this out? Because I'm afraid that I'm not getting the right information. I mean, I trust her and everything, but what if she's told not to tell? That's very scary to me. What I would say is we, you know, there are 140, more than 140 peer-reviewed published studies on the impact of ivermectin and amabendazol on cancers. There are multiple

mechanisms as Nick was laying out. There is no reason to believe that it would not potentially be effective on ovarian cancer. We know that it works on solid cancers, tumor cancers, and blood-borne cancers. So there is certainly, I think the question she should ask your doctor is, is there some medication or treatment interaction you're worried about? Otherwise, you don't even have to ask. Like, just say, look, I've staged for cancer. It's not going to.

I'd like to try this. I'd like to try it. Exactly. Because you don't have to stop whatever else that is that your oncologist is prescribing. It can be done. But there's no reason to believe, obviously, we're hoping for a large controlled trial. that would prove to us and that if it works for ovarian cancer.

But I don't see the downside given the safety profile of these drugs. Nick, do you agree with that? Is we just give it a shot? Any problem with that? Nick, you agree? Yeah. Oh, yeah, 100%.

100%. You know, the safety profile's been established. Right. It appears to definitely be well-tolerated and safe in cancer patients. There's no known drug interactions with chemo, getting surgery, nothing.

So, yeah, you know, cancer patients have the right to try. Sometimes it's worrisome when they're denied access to cheap and promising medications. I get it. I mean, I get it. The oncologist didn't say don't do it. She said, ah, it doesn't work, you know. And she may have looked at some data that convinced her it didn't work. But you can still, as the patient, drive the ship a little bit more than just being

the passive participant. You also have to understand, and I'm not saying that any oncologist is a bad person, but you have to understand what they read, what they are presented with on a regular basis is coming out of Big Pharma. Big Pharma has a glaring reason why they don't want to do a big study on safe, inexpensive, well-tolerated drugs like Ivermectin and the Venzoe, because they make a fortune selling, traditional chemotherapy. And so do the cancer treatment centers. It's just the way it is. So I think if you are interested in trying it, I would encourage anybody, you know,

unless you personally have a known sensitivity to one of these incredibly safe drugs. They're ivermectin's taken by hundreds of millions of patients every year around the globe. It's been on the list of essential medications for the WHO for decades. It just has a I don't know why anybody with stage four ovarian cancer wouldn't try it. And I wish you the best. I hope that whatever treatment you choose has a positive outcome for you. But I would encourage you to look further into this one. Kelly, I'm going to let you go.

And Nick, I'm just to stick around for a second. I just got a couple more questions for you. But before you go, Kelly, I wonder if you could give us a little glit. glimpse of your plans for wellness care? Ah, sure. Yeah, wellness care is the new branch of the wellness company, which is dedicated to providing chronic care management. People who are Medicare patients, people over the age of 65, we know that 80% of those people have at least one chronic condition, diabetes, hypertension, obesity, arthritis, you name it, lots of different things. And they have a,

a benefit on Medicare that most people don't know about and are not using. Less than 10% of people are taking advantage of it. And that is the ability to have fundamentally a health coach, a dedicated person who can lead you through this, meet with you on a weekly basis, telephonically or through video, help to provide guidance on everything from diet and exercise to medication issues. And we are not replacing your primary care doctor. we're actually acting as a conduit. We will be in contact with your doctor, suggest medication changes or suggest, you know, make

sure that you're getting follow-up studies that you need, make sure that you're getting timely referrals to specialists if you need them. It's a huge benefit, and I do believe, Drew, that we will be able to document and prove that we are delivering improved health outcomes in all of those groups of people with better blood pressure control, better diabetes control, fewer trips, to the urgent care or the ER, better quality of life, less pain, you name it. No doubt in my mind. And you're going to get into a whole bunch of other interesting areas. I've been worked in that area for a long, long time. There's a lot of need there. Trust me, trust me.

And so this is a very exciting part of what wellness is going to do. And it's funny, I was just on a project I'm not able to share about yet, but I had to fill out a medical form before I went. And I thought, oh, man. I mean, when you get into your later 60s, stuff accumulates. You're like, oh, Jesus. Can I add another page?

Yeah, can I add another page? I find myself, I need an extra piece of paper. It's crazy. I literally had to type out on another piece of paper some of this stuff because it was hard to just, you know, things like, how do you describe Lynch syndrome and why you're getting regular screening for that? And a little prostate cancer.

So one thing you have to. Anyway, so it's, And if you're not medical, you would get lost in all this. You know, I can't imagine how people do it. So good. So congratulations to that. And once again, where do people go if they want to part? They can sign up now, can't they?

Absolutely, yes. If you're Medicare patients or military, so you're on one of the military products for health care, absolutely. They go to wellness. Not health or to TWC. to the wellness company's website and get rooted to wellness care. It's a huge benefit. I would encourage everybody to take advantage of it and you get your own help. You actually get a care team.

You get assigned to a care pod that has a nurse, nutritionist, exercise person, lots of people there to help you manage this journey and to make sure that things don't fall through the cracks. And if you want to give us some credit for the show, go to Dr. dot com slash TWC. Okay, fair enough. Nick, great to be with you. Thank you for having to be.

It's always true. We'll be talking. No doubts. We'll do. And Nick, Nick, love what you're doing. We give you great props.

You're doing unbelievable work. And we could not, we could not really report on these things the way we do if it weren't for your incredible work at the McCullough Foundation. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Great seeing. You too. And Nick. Bye Kelly and Nick's hanging with me for a couple of minutes. I just want to hear what you're up to now, give you a chance to report on what you're working on. And Susan, you wanted to say something there? No. I thought you were trying to ring in and we were jumping on you.

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So what are you working out right now? What is sort of, you know, your focus? Well, recently we've been investigating what occurred yesterday at the Senate hearing with Senator Ron Johnson. We dug into the details of that and it's very disturbing. In fact, what Senator Ron Johnson and his team uncovered was at the the FDA literally buried 25 safety signals with the COVID shots in 2021, including sudden cardiac death, brain clots, blood clots, pulmonary. What wasn't clear to me from the way he presented it, 25 categories, they, deep six, so speak, or 25 events?

25 categories, entire categories. So basically, yeah, an FDA staffer, our chief scientist, they actually developed a new way to analyze adverse events in the vaccine adverse event reporting system. And her new way destroyed the limitation of what's called masking to give you a more accurate representation. And again, she found 25 safety signals, which included the death, brain clots, pulmonary infarction, cardiac failure, heart attacks, etc. What was her reason? Why would she do?

I want to give people the benefit of the doubt. Just explain it to me. What's giving you the most, the kindest interpretation possible of that behavior. Why did she do that? Well, she did it. She was in the right, I think. She was trying to improve the analysis system looking for adverse events because the one they had, when there's so many reports coming in from Pfizer-Maderna, so many different vaccine types, it's what's called masking. It masks safety signals with however they were doing it.

And so she found a way to eliminate that masking and find the true safety signals. And she presented that method and the safety signals to FDA leadership. They ordered her to cease and desist. And they said her work was a distraction. While millions were getting the shots, millions. and they buried this. It's very unfortunate. Let's look at Ron Johnson's testimony.

He's been at this for quite some time. It's got to be frustrating to be him because he's been pounding on these very issues. I guess they have more and more out of the 13 million documents they had to look at. But let's take a look at what he said. Here's the sheet. These are the adverse events

that they were showing a safety signal for using the new method. Bell's palsy. sinus rhythm, cardiac failure, chronic, acute left ventricular failure, agonal rhythm, which is severe arrhythmia generally occurred at the end of life, pulmonary infarction, cerebral artery occlusion, aortic stenosis, sudden cardiac death, hypertensive emergency, basal ganglia stroke. Now these aren't minor, remember we're always told adverse events are rare and minor.

These are not minor adverse events. And these safety signals were showing and they were strong, but they were being hidden because FDA officials refused to acknowledge that the current system they were using was invalidated. And they had to look at the new system that unmasked these things. Our report goes on to detail how federal officials refused to acknowledge these revelations or take action to warn the public. Instead, senior FDA officials repeatedly tried to stop Dr. Sharfman from continuing her work or communicating her findings outside of FDA.

In September 2021, Dr. Marks informed Dr. Patricia Cavazzoni, the then-director of Cedar, that Dr. Scharfman, who was a Cedar employee, quote, has been asked to cease and desist conducting her data analysis. Dr. Marks complained that Dr. Sharstman's work was, had become, quote, a major distraction that her efforts could create erroneous conflicts that feed to anti-vaccination rhetoric. Okay. Well, please explain to me. First of all, are we going to hear from this woman? Secondly, what's erroneous about what she was documenting? and

what again, trying to be as kind as possible, what in the world would motivate them to be so they're supposed to be scientists. Yeah, no, they're supposed to be scientists.

And yeah, she retired in 2025 the woman responsible for detecting these safety signals. We don't know where she is currently. You know, they're probably going after her, to be honest. Emily Barsh, track her down, you'll find her.

I have faith in you. Well, we've got to find this woman. Yeah, oh yeah, we got to find her. But, you know, this is just disturbing. So now we know basically for sure. They were aware of the safety signals and they just buried it. They buried it.

And, you know, we've obviously seen David Moran's he's now being criminally prosecuted, you know, for destroying records, concealing records, taking basically bribes in the form of like wine and at all sorts of strange things, and trying to debunk the Lab League theory. And so he's been indicted Fauci's top advisor. So now we have to wait and see, you know, is Fauci going to be indicted by the deadline, May 11th? And are they going to go after the individuals in the FDA and public health agencies that

buried these major safety signals. We'll have to wait and see. It actually, I see, I think a lot of people are going to be gleeful at this. I am sad. I'm saddened. I don't want to see people going to prison for bad judgment. I want to believe that they weren't sinister in their intent. They were just flat out dumb and bad clinicians and poorly selected for these jobs. But I don't know. I'm not the one making these decisions. People are very angry. And I understand.

I understand. It's just so sad that they're so, so bad at their job that it rises to a level of scrutiny that requires possible criminal action. Criminal. It's more of this. I'm so fearful the way this is going. Or one side is attacking the other side and finding things and finding other things. I just want us to get to the truth and to agree on the truth. And then if somebody really broke the law,

like all that FOIA stuff was breaking the law. So, okay, sorry, that's got to take consequences for that. But to be a bad scientist, a bad clinician, a bad administrator, I hate that I think that rises to the level of legal action. But what do you say? Well, we'll have to see, we'll have to see exactly what was in their communications. But I don't know, even if they were just dumb and, you know, just ignoring all this stuff

and, you know, thinking they were doing a good thing, you know, it could be bordering on criminal negligence, you know, because billions of people across the globe were inoculated with these. So it was their responsibility to protect the public and they failed miserably while knowing of safety signals. So I don't know. We'll have to see what the Justice Department thinks of that. They were so brainwashed by the idea, I suspect,

that this was a devastating illness that was going to kill 10. Remember all the Nile, what was that guy's name? From the Oxford Group in English, these horrible predictions that were just BS from the beginning. And they bought all this. They believed it. And they were not clinicians. They weren't seeing what was really going on.

And they got completely brainwashed by the hysteria. And that's why you can't let that happen when you're so. to be a scientist. Yeah. Oh, yeah, exactly. You can't let that stuff get to you. You just can't. But, you know, we're going to continue to uncover more information, you know, more studies looking at what has occurred to people. And yeah, you know, it's very disturbing. It's very disturbing. But I know what everybody wants to see right now is for Anthony Fauci to be indicted. Everybody wants to see it. And there is the evidence. So it really comes down to the pardon that.

he received. Was it an auto pen pardon? Was Biden even aware of it? We'll have to see if they'll be able to kind of navigate that disastrous situation. But that will make a lot of people happy. We know he was involved in many activities that are now deemed to be illegal. Also, I wonder if what's his name at North Carolina, I'm blanking on his name. I just said it a few minutes ago. Ralph Barrett, Peter Dez. Berwick and Dezic and Barrick, if they're going to strike a deal or something where they sort of, you know, divulge the evidence that they have to save their own skin. Yeah, they could have.

They could have. You know, they were working in the Baric lab, you know, literally making chimeric SARS viruses in 2015, 2016, you know, and collaborating with Wuhan. and so they were likely involved in the creation of the pandemic. So, yeah, we'll have to see what happens there. Well, they were, like, we don't know the reasoning that caused them to do the studying on those viruses, right? Presumably, some military intelligence said, we need something here, we might need a vaccine here, get prepared. They didn't, I don't think they ever, the people that might have asked for that research would have never imagine.

that they'd be facing a government that mandated every human get vaccinated with some vaccine that they rolled out 10 minutes ago. That's the part that went completely off the rail. But the idea of, well, we believe in gain of function, we reestablish gain of function, we put it all in Ukraine, and we're leaving a little bits of it here

to start the process because we need vaccines should something like this happen. Just as a perfunctory measure, of responding to potential risks. I get that that could have happened, but they need to come clean about it. They need to tell us what that was and why it happened. And I think we're going to hear that story.

I really do. So that'll be very interesting. Nick, is there any publications coming out that you're excited about that you can tell us about? Well, listen, I'll give just a slight hint regarding the Ivermectin Ambenazol cancer paper. it may appear in a major cancer journal soon, you know, just stay tuned for that. It may be elevated to peer-reviewed status very soon.

And that's going to be a big win for, again, the millions and millions of cancer patients. So we'll stay tuned there. And then we have many other studies we're working on, even some case reports, case series of individuals who took Ivermectin and been dissolved with cancer and actually experienced remission. And again, many other things down the pipeline, even with the COVID vaccines. Lastly, we have a case report. It's very disturbing.

This young man received three Pfizer shots. He developed a cardiac sarcoma, so a heart tumor and a metastasized to his brain stem. Weird tumor. Not a bixoma, but a sarcoma. That's what the stack, our very first, the old doctor that we talked to the very beginning. Zev.

Zelenko. Zelenko had a pulmonary artery artery sarcom, which also very weird, but things happen. But, yeah, this is interesting times. I find it, I would not be that surprised if the Ivermectin mebendazole study gets elevated to a higher status because good science is simple questions,

you know, a simple hypothesis, a simple experiment, simple design, clear statistical analysis, that's the most likely to be meaningful to tell you something. The way we've really lost our way in science is we've just made everything's confusing, complex, lots of assumptions. Now you're not likely to be doing anything. This was very simple. Does this work?

Yes or no. That's like that's about what we asked. And then didn't get a, you know, maybe it's statistically significant or a P value that was low. this was overwhelmingly significant, so much so that I was like, I didn't seem too much for me. Let's do this again. But let's keep looking at it. That's what the purpose of the study was. It showed that we should be doing more.

So what's the combination again? How do you spell that other thing that you were talking? The mebendazole and Ivermectin. Isn't that the product? Now, yeah. Did we use any different dosing or anything? We didn't even ask questions like that, did we in the study? Just did you use it or didn't you?

Well, we had some dosing info. Vast majority took just one capsule a day, which was 250 milligram Ivermectin, or 25 milligram Ivermectin, 250 milligram Mambenzol. And then some patients, like 20% took two capsules a day. And then, you know, a smaller percent took three and four. But the more they took, the more side effects they did have. Right. And I remember to ask you, did we see any more increase in response rates?

and I think the answer was no. Is that correct? Correct. Yeah, there was no significant difference between dosing and response. Nick, as always, thanks for your work. Deeply appreciate it, and thank you for sharing it with us here. Thank you.

Thank you. All right, Caleb, let's see what's coming up. We always, I love that our audience, loves Kelly, and of course, everyone loves Nick Mibendezol. Guys, okay. I was just think about the woman that called Tishado. ask about that too. That she did.

The combo. She asked about Ivermectin. Well, it sounds like the oncologist is not, most oncologists is not going to be interested in this because it's not, it's a funny thing. When it works, it works and when it does and it doesn't, it's going to be sort of as, and it's really for me it's about the right to try it's about medical free. Oh, look at that. Dave Rubin's coming in with Congressman Bob Livingston. Russell Brands coming in studio, amazing, salty cracker coming back. coming back. Scott Atlas

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