Ask Dr. Drew - New Dr. Fauci Investigation Launched By State Attorney After He Pleads The Fifth 111 Times In Senate Testimony – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 651

Episode Date: July 31, 2026

Dr. Fauci’s preemptive pardon shields him from federal charges – but states can still launch their own investigations. Fauci invoked the Fifth Amendment 111 times before the Senate Homeland Security Committee on July 29, declining to answer Sen. Rand Paul’s questions about COVID-19, gain of function research, and Fauci’s diary entries about the pandemic’s origins. Within hours of Fauci’s (lack of) testimony, Florida Attorney General James Uthmeier announced a state investigation – and soon more states may launch investigations of their own. Michael Gates, candidate for California Attorney General, joins to discuss whether a state AG could pursue Fauci, and the medical watchdog organization calling on the American Medical Association to “explicitly condemn transgender genital surgeries on minors.” Investigative journalist Jordan Schachtel of The Dossier argues Deborah Birx should face the same committees as Dr. Fauci, since she holds no pardon. Townhall News Editor Jeff Charles weighs in on Gavin Newsom’s resurfaced affair and how it could affect the election, and Zohran Mamdani publishing NYC property-owner data tied to a proposed pied-a-terre tax. Jordan Schachtel is an investigative journalist and the publisher of The Dossier, covering institutional accountability and public health policy. Follow at https://dossier.today/ Jeff Charles is a journalist and News Editor for Townhall.com. He is also the author of the novel “The Grinning Golly Murders” and his work has appeared on RedState, Daily Caller, and his Substack, Chasing Liberty. Follow at https://x.com/jeffcharlesjr Michael Gates is an attorney, husband, and father of five running for California Attorney General. He served as City Attorney for Huntington Beach and was appointed Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the DOJ Civil Rights Division in 2025, overseeing about 100 attorneys across employment, voting, housing, and criminal sections. Find more at at https://gates4ag.com 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, it is Anthony Fauci Week here. Of course, everyone is aware that he took the Fifth Amendment over 100 times in front of the Senate Homeland Security Committee. And the gain of functioned research and China and all the different influences, we are no further down the road of understanding those things. But that pardon that he got from federal charges was addressed by the Florida Attorney General who announced a new state investigation and more states affected by lockdowns and mandates or perhaps five. in their own investigations. I've got Michael Gates come in here. He's a candidate for California Attorney General. He's running under the slogan, make crime illegal again because it is not in California.

He was also the Deputy Assistant Attorney General, the Department of Justice. And you can follow him at Michael Gates ESQ. It would be really good if we could get him in. But let's ask him if California, if he were to get it, if he would plan a similar investigation. We're going to open up with Jordan Shacktel, the investigative. journalist behind the dossier. He says Deborah Burke should be subpoenaed as well, because unlike Fauci, she did not get a pardon. You can follow Jordan at Jordan, S-C-H-A-C-H-H-T-E-L. And finally, Jeff Charles, a journalist, news editor at Town Hall, speaks about Gavin Newsome's

recent Vanity Fair article in his affairs and how it could affect his run for presidency. All of this after this little break. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and The psychopaths start this right. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin, ridiculous. I'm a doctor for a .

Say, where the hell you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveland all the time, educate adolescents, and to prevent and to treat. You have trouble, you can't stop,

and you want to help stop it. I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. Jordan Shacktel is the journalist and publisher of the dossier. He, as I said, invest in a journalist covering institutional accountability, public health policy. You can follow him, dossier.2day, also on X, Jordan Shacktel, and again, dossier. Today, Jordan, thank you.

Welcome to the program. Yeah, thanks, Dr. Joe. It's good to be on again. How you doing? Good to see you. So it's extraordinary times, as it has been for quite a little while here. I've just got a quick question. Do you cover a lot of public health issues, right?

Yeah. Yes. From time to time. I am with stunned. One of the many things that was sort of divulged to me as a result of COVID, was that people trained in public health have no mandate to do no harm. They specifically don't have that as an ethical standard. Were you aware of that? And where'd that come from?

And what can we do about that? Yeah. I think, you know, if I had a phone call with Senator Paul and his committee, I think that you're right. Like, that's the crux of the problem here is that these people have the credentials and the supposed education and experience to make decisions that affect and impact and influence the entire country. And Anthony Fauci's decision making and recommendations, I think, you know, the case that I'm trying to make is the most disastrous part of his CV during the COVID year. And everything else could take a good investigator to track that stuff down. But specifically, you know, whether it's the lockdowns, the closures, the masks, the stuff that catastrophically ruined millions and millions of American lives.

We have statistical data to prove it. And we know, you know, thanks to Senator Paul now, we have more evidence because he released the Fauci diaries, that Fauci was basically just relying on like public charts by like these leftist, you know, climate change institutions. So this idea that he's like, oh, I have this. And look, he was really affected by what they did in China. And his assistant went there and examined what happened to Wuhan and believed everything. They told him. There was no understanding that the CCP and the PLA are in there manipulating things. It's so crazy. And they came back from China going, we got to do that. Zero COVID. That's the thing. Throw away the pandemic preparedness plan.

We got to do what they're doing in China. Yeah, this was, you know, it was some of the, some people were making this observation like pretty early on, but it was such a rare opinion. And, you know, you were one of these early voices of sanity. But if you recall, the corporate media was just crushing us. They were crushing us with nonsense. Oh, yes. You know, Fauci and his collaborators at the NIH and elsewhere, we now know that, you know, for people like Jay Badacharya are NIH director now under Trump. and, you know, Scott Atlas, who's been on your show a bunch of times,

that they were trying to, you know, get decent, you know, factually sourced information out into the public. And Fauci and his comrades, you know, in China and in the U.S. were basically conspiring to shut them all down and, you know, and dominate with their particular narrative. So I think that there should be repercussions for that narrative being a total disaster that ruined millions of American lives. Well, that raises the issue of this Florida Attorney General, whether states could raise their own investigations and what that's going to mean.

It's going to mean for an 85-year-old. It seems like something would take years to mill through, but you tell me. So I really, yeah, I'm a Floridian. I left D.C. at the beginning of COVID, basically, because I couldn't stand the insanity. I couldn't stand being yelled at while I was running outdoors without a mask on. So, you know, I've been in Floridian for almost six years now. And James is a terrific attorney general, very motivated by justice. And I think he's going to take a very honest approach.

And I wouldn't be surprised if he gets good results here because super mission-oriented guy. So, you know, I'm very bullish on, you know, the potential outcome of an investigation into Fauci. In other words, you're expecting some sort of action or you're expecting a lot of good information to come out during discovery? Yeah, I don't have specific insider information, but I know that both he and, you know, the governor's office, the governor turns out at the end of the year. But, you know, there's great moral clarity on this issue. So it'll absolutely be a fact-based investigation. And I'm sure, you know, with the resources that he has, he can dig up a lot of stuff similar to what Senator Paul has dug up. It was interesting hearing your senator who was the AG during COVID, talk about how they were vilified for following the same.

science, essentially. And I kept saying back in California, like, we have an AB test. We have Florida, we have California. One is working and one is not. One is hurting people. And no, that's sacrilegious. Well, what was Fauci's most heinous crime in your recent article? Yeah. So it was, I think it was the lockdowns. The lockdowns, you know, the so-called stopping the spread stuff, it just, it just never ended. And it wasn't even that it was necessarily official government policy. But if you recall, they used like these instruments of governmental, not governmental power, but like, you know, reputational power, like when he said that the CDC wants you to do this. And then all this, like Fauci didn't really need to say, you must shut down. He would just say,

oh, the CDC is recommending this, the NIH, all of which institutions he had heavy, you know, control over. So that's how we manipulated the masses and got very powerful institutions. teachers unions, you know, cities to follow his lead and impose disaster upon American businesses, America's children, all for really no reason at all because, you know, we have the stats on the pathogen itself and it wasn't, you know, particularly different, I think, than any other respiratory season. And I think that, you know, the Sweden model, as we've discussed previously, is what worked. There were no government interventions that were going to be able to stop anything. There were no medicinal interventions that were going to be able to shut down the spread of a respiratory virus.

So, you know, the guys like J. Baddasharia, who's in, thank God he's, you know, in a position of power today to make sure that stuff doesn't happen again and that they can reform, you know, with RFK and whatnot. But I'm glad at least, you know, the president has clearly, you know, gotten away from that stuff. and has appointed, you know, really the dissident class of the COVID era into the halls of power and his administration in term two. Well, you mentioned that Fauci was speaking on behalf of the CDC. He did not have the authority to do so. That was Redfield. And Redfield the whole time was going, who do you think you are speaking on my behalf?

And he was just out of here. That's not good. It goes to show, you know, the power of the professional bureaucracy in Washington, D.C., and that Fauci was a part of it for many decades. and he basically had more authority than presidents to give out research grants and manipulate policy. And it's only, I think, the beginning. Like, someone needs to write a thousand page, like basically encyclopedia on all the ways that Fauci's screwed up with grant allocation and policy. It's just, if you look at American health care, it's only gone down since he's been a part of the health care bureaucracy.

And hopefully, RFK is helping to, you know, reverse that trajectory. Yeah, I mean, we we did not accomplish anything with universal lockdowns. It was really only because of that, that having been the Chinese policy that we even thought of that. It's not something that was in the pandemic preparedness policy that they had just war games a couple of years before. No one ever, in fact, it was specifically rejected as something that did not work, would not help. But China, oh my God. And there was a cozy relationship back then between our science. and Chinese scientists and British scientists.

There was this sense that, oh, yeah, these guys are great. They're bright. The center of gravity of research is moving over to China. We've got to collaborate with them. Not understanding that the People's Liberation Army and the CCP had their hand on everything, including what they did during the Wuhan outbreak, which was total BS. Every piece of it was BS. Remember that graph?

Oh, COVID, COVID, COVID, no COVID. Oh, yeah, that's the local Soviet trying to impress their leaders. in Beijing, coarse. But that was a story as old as time. Everything that came out was nonsense. What's that? Yeah. So this problem with Fauci and the institutional elites,

it's really a problem that are founding principles identified and rejected, this idea that these elite credentialed people need to be making decisions for the entire country. You know, that's what they believe in China. And you're right. Like, they just kind of replicated that model. and said, you guys can't be trusted to stop your family members from getting sick. So we're going to impose all of these government policies upon you or all these recommendations

and freak you out into complying with our orders. And it was just so antithetical to the American way that it was upsetting to see the media. All of our natural rights were taken away from us. And Deborah Birx was a key figure in all this. I'm surprised she has not been subpoenaed by the Homeland Security Committee. Yeah, she was absolutely terrible. You know, she would fly into, I'm sure as you know, she would fly into all these GOP states where governors like DeSantis and, you know, elsewhere in Texas,

where the governors were doing their own thing, basically keeping their societies open and running in Georgia, too. Kemp did a good job. And she would come down with a team of her people and try to, you know, you know, force them into complying with whatever she wanted to do. And of course, she was Fauci's top deputy. So I think that would be very interesting to bring her in for questioning. You know, as I wrote, she doesn't have pardon immunity.

She can, of course, you know, take the Fifth Amendment approach too. But, you know, there's a way to work with some of these people. You know, if you're going to try to catch the biggest fish who's Fauci or maybe you determine Burks to be the biggest fish, you start delivering some immunity to some of these people who were complicit in these awful times, you know, that destroyed so many American lives. How do we close the loophole that gives public health officials who are often not physicians that don't have the mandate to do no harm that have shown themselves to be irresponsible with our natural rights? How do we close the constitutional loophole that gives them so much

authority during an emergency? Well, I think what made it matters worse during this emergency was this idea that they were all getting royalties, which like a lot of Americans had just discovered. So, like, Fauci was picking treatments based on the input of committees and individual colleagues of his who may have been profiting off of this, you know, hysteria era, which is scary to think about, but it was happening. And there hasn't really been much, you know, regulatory policy on this. But I think if you're, if you're working for the government, it seems common sense. that you shouldn't be, you know, making money off of the people who you're regulating or, you know, because you can potentially cut them sweetheart deals. And then, you know, it's anti-competitive, too.

So if someone comes out with a good product and decides not to pay off the government, maybe because they can't afford to because they're a startup, then they get screwed. And then like Pfizer and Moderna just keep winning. It just doesn't seem to make sense to me. And I think that was one of the big parts of the problem there. You just brought my attention a few minutes ago. I mean, I'm ruminating about this. as you're speaking, an aspect of the globalist agenda that I had really not sort of was not clear to me until you articulated it just now,

which is you said, maybe I hope I'm representing it properly, which was that essentially, we're supposed to be a country where the people are sovereign where our rights are protected from the government, but the globalist agenda is that a privileged class, a what did you call credential class, should be making all the decisions. And that is anathema to our situation.

It's what it makes America unique in the world, too, which is why it was so disappointing to see us fall into the trap that everyone else fell into. And I get, like, a lot of countries just have this authoritarian tendency, and their citizens are happy to be ruled by basically like a one-party state, like in China or in Russia. But America is a uniquely exceptional country. And it's really just a hard lesson here that we can't allow these bureaucrats in D.C. to make decisions for us because it never ends up being, you know,

the right decisions that, you know, people should be making with their family and, you know, people close to them. It's, it's crazy how that happened. But, you know, it's, it's the reason why America's exceptional is because it's, it's so commonplace for that to happen in other places. But the fact that happened here, you know, greatly disappointing, but I think we've learned a lot of lessons. God, I hope so. What's up in the dossier? What are we going to, what do you, focused on. I think that we're going to continue to approach the Burke's angle. There's a lot there. Typically, her collaboration with the likes of a guy like Bill Gates, who, you know, people don't really know this, that he was incredibly instrumental in running U.S. COVID policy, too, because he

controlled these research databases and research institutions that were total garbage. Interesting. If you look at anything else that Gates does, but there's a little bit of a preview. you for sure. Oh my God. That could be a big story. So please bring that back to us when you do it when you tear that band-aid off. But yeah, Berks was the one that went around to all the governors and she was the henchmen, so to speak, or whatever you want to call her. She was boots on the ground of what she was talking about. And she's the one that went in there and muscled them. And I, I mean, I talked to a couple of governors during that thing. And they were like, God, they're trying to force me to do this thing. I don't know what to do. And they're, you know, they'd be interesting to get, you should investigate that, ooh, I'll give you some names.

What kind of shenanigans were pulled on these governors to, you know, whether they were threatened with things or what they said to them, that some of them, they all caved except for DeSantis. And I couldn't blame them. They were being really seriously. Plus, of course, the press and everything was, you know, sort of being manipulated in one direction. Yeah, Deborah Berks and Anthony Fauci put the president in an impossible situation. Because again, you remember, the hysteria was whipped up to unprecedented levels. And you had fractures within the administration. And there were a lot of good people in there.

I'm sure you've talked to them, too, that were trying to, you know, move things in the right direction. And then there were the agents of chaos and Berks, Fauci, you know, the top directors of agencies, Scott Lee, Redfields that have a lot of answering to do. And I'm going to tell you what, please investigate Francis Collins. But when I look at some of the things he was saying, he's the mad doctor in this whole thing. I mean, you were talking about mad doctor stuff. He was out of control. And he has said stuff on a microphone publicly where I'm like, oh, my God.

You don't do you, you could listen to yourself. So he's another one in the story. And he's nothing to do with any of this. He's the end of research guy. He's like, found you there. And he's a funder of research. Why is he involved in all that? It's weird what happens when you grant some people incredible power that they've never had before and are unable to handle.

I'm sure anyone who's flown, who flew on a plane during the COVID years, remember this with the airline attendants who became like vicious dictators all of a sudden. You're like, what exactly is going on? So it goes to show that you're granting people enormous amounts of power usually does not end up going so well for citizens who have to live under that stuff. There's tons of research that flew out of World War II to try to figure that stuff out. And what I can tell those people that behave like that is you would have been a prison guard in Nazi Germany. That's you. You need to know that about yourself. And if you don't like that, do change it next time.

Because the way you behave is what happened to some of the people that became enthusiast in 1939. So it happens. It happens. You've got to check yourself. Well, it would be very interesting to hear what you come up with. in any timeline? I'm so anxious to hear all that stuff. When is it, Dostia likely to have that stuff?

So, you know, we released a lot of reports during the COVID year. So I'd like to try to compile them as like a refresher. And also because like it's so, you know, in this crazy news cycle, this hyper online news cycle, people miss so many things. So I think another approach that we're potentially going to take is just to put everything together and kind of have it like nicely streamlined. So people can remember and document and, you know, maybe branch out into other investigative work based on that stuff. I think that's the right approach because we're throwing so much, so much information is thrown at us nowadays that people just need to remember like exactly what happened and what was bad and how can we can learn lessons to make sure that doesn't happen again.

And people want to forget. I was sort of look at Germany as one of these sort of phenomena, these times when this kind of stuff happens. And one of the things that I've read is that the generation that perpetrated that, once the war was over, just like didn't want to look back. They moved on. Like, let's forget about it. Let's forget it. Put it away away. And they literally, they behave the way everyone's behaving today as it pertains to COVID.

But the next generation, as they came in, it was like, hey, hey, what happened there? What happened? So it wasn't until the next generation came in that the deeper sort of analysis was, was. has finally had. Jordan, we'll look for you on X. Jordan's S-C-H-A-C-H-T-E-L. Do I spell it right? Yes, very well. All right, thank you for being here. Thanks, Dr. Appreciate it. All right, you got it. All right. Up next, we're going to talk to Jeff Charles. We're going to talk a little bit about Newsom. He is the author of The Gritting, Gawley Murders. His work has appeared on Red State Daily Color. Caller. You can follow him on X. It's Jeff Charles

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And that's just trouble in a relationship. Sean, who are you? Like Dr. Drew all of a sudden? Jeff Charles on X. Jeff Charles, J.R. Jeff, tell me first about these grinning golly murders. That's such an intriguing title. Yeah, well, first off, thanks for having me. And The Grinning Gali Murders is my very first novel.

It centers on a journalist named Jackson Harlow who discovers the body of an antique shop owner that he was interviewing. And he finds out that she was murdered by being bludgeon to death by what are called Goliwogs. And for those who don't know what those are, those are these ancient relics, or I shouldn't say ancient, but they're an ugly part of American history. So if you think of like the dolls and the different cartoons showing black people in exaggerated poses, extra red lips, they were made to mock black people. And that is something that's actually sold in a lot of antique shops.

So there's more of a controversy about why she was selling them, but also why she was murdered for them. And so he has to find out what happens. And this book is really about what happens when the culture war enters into real life. interesting oh my god it sounds fascinating is it been out for a while that's a great elevator pitch good job it is a no it's a great story i'm hoping that becomes a series or something like that could be like a multi-part television you know streamer okay good congratulations i'm actually working on the second the sequel right now the second book which will be out which will hopefully be out at the end of next month oh my god have you pitched it for tv yet or is it already being done

No, no. The first book just came out at the end of May. So I'm hoping to build it into more of a series. And hey, if Netflix is watching or, you know, pick it up, check it out, hit me up. No, listen, it's a, that's a, that's perfectly suited for television right now. But okay, I'll help you with that maybe at some point. Gavin Newsom. His Vanity Fair article came out. I've ended up in California. I've heard this stuff forever. He was dating a 19-year-old when he was. Almost 40. I mean, there's many, many, many different stories out there. What do we do with all this? You know, I was thinking about it when I wrote up the article and when I read the Vanity Fair piece. And, you know, this particular affair happened a long time ago. Gavin Newsom was still the mayor of San Francisco. And she kind of tells her side of the story about, you know, getting blackout drunk and she was really into drugs and waking up in his room. And to be clear, she doesn't accuse him of assaulting her or anything.

like that. Everything was consensual. But it really kind of revives the issue, right? Because Gavin Newsom, even though he hasn't said so yet, the man is going to run for president. He's going to seek the Democratic nomination. He has a good chance of getting it. I think this affair, along with some of his other peccadillo, so to speak, might actually have an effect or an impact on his ability to win the nomination. And if he does, the presidency itself. But it'll be interesting to see how he spins this as this stuff starts to come out more as we get closer to the presidential campaign season. There's a lot. Did you come across some of the other stories? I mean, there's his best friend's wife and there's this this drug addict that you're, by the way, in California, if you have

sex with somebody with over a, essentially unable to drive a car, who have raped that? Oh, really? I didn't, I did not know that. I don't know if that was a lot at the time. I'm actually born and raised in California and moved to Texas in 2012 and now I'm in Louisiana. So I haven't been back in a while. But yeah, I mean, the fact that he cheated on or he had sexual relations with his best friend's wife, who was also his chief of staff and then actually pretended like he's the one that came clean to his friend. No, he didn't. She contradicts that. She's the one who told her husband about her affair with Newsom, not him.

Is she in recovery now? I didn't read the article yet. I hope she's in recovery because that's what the story is here. Yeah, it sounds like she's clean now. She didn't indicate that she's still struggling. But hopefully, like you said, hopefully she's doing better now. And it sounds like she wrote the article because she saw what Newsom said in his memoir and she wanted to set the record straight on that and also add her own two cents to the situation. Fantastic.

Well, there may be some legal stuff there. but she's obviously not going to push it. But there's a number of other stories out there. We'll see if they come forward. But the interesting thing is that the DSA candidates are so scary to the Democrats that Newsom starts to look good no matter what is indiscretions. Yeah, and they should be scared. I mean, there's a reason why these Democratic socialists are winning in New York, Colorado,

probably in Wisconsin. We'll see what happens there. But there's a reason why these people are gaining popularity. It's because Democratic voters, just like Republican voters, are tired of the establishment. They're tired of electing people who make all these promises on the campaign trail. Then they get into office and just maintain the status quo. These are people who aren't going to vote Republican, but they might be willing to take a chance on a Democratic socialist. So the Democratic Party is panicking about this.

And Gavin Newsom, again, he might actually be more attractive because he has been ever since the last election. He's been trying to position himself as more of a moderate, which I don't believe he's a moderate, but that's how he's trying to come off. He started that podcast. He is talking to conservatives. He spoke with Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk was his first guest. It's a smart strategy for Newsom. I think that he can probably take advantage of the fears that people have about too much socialism, especially black voters, because black voters are not on board with these far leftist candidates.

Oh, that's good to know. But he's such a political animal. You know, he seems to want to court the DSA as all the while maintaining this sort of moderate sort of, I don't know, headlines. I don't know. But if anybody can do it, he can't. He manipulates everything all the time. And God only knows if he were in the presence office what he would do. It'll be very interesting.

I don't know. It all kind of worries me. It's very scary. You wrote a little bit also about the Fauci testimony. I don't know if this is your article, but this is somebody's, we quoted the founding fathers of warning about, quote, swarms of officers who harassed the people, unquote. Is that your quote? Yes, they actually put out a video making that point. So, you know, this month, it's America's 250th anniversary.

And we're going to be, we celebrated it all throughout the month. And I'm sure it'll still be coming up throughout the year. It's very important. And when I saw that this was coming up, I was thinking, you know, what is the difference between the government that we have now and what the colonists were dealing with under King George? The framers specifically wanted a limited government. And one of the complaints in the Declaration of Independence is that he would send officers to come and harass the people.

He would send a lot of officers to enforce his rule. And if you think about the comparison, back then, there were about four soldiers or officers per 100,000 people. Fast forward to today, that number has jumped to 240 police officers per 100,000 people. So we've got tons of officers at the federal, state, and local levels enforcing all kinds of laws because right now we are a nation of too many laws. And I think people don't really notice how far we've deviated from the time. of governance and the type of society that the framers promoted when they were around. I mean, even beyond that, taxation back then, they paid four or five percent of their income. Today, we pay between 20 and 40 percent of our income.

There's so many ways in which our government has grown to our gargantuan size far beyond anything that King George could have imagined. And I think for people who actually want limited government, we need to be thinking about that. I completely agree. Alex, Alexis de Tocqueville warned of all this, and here we are living it now. Yeah, if you live in California, your tax bill is going to be more like 60% by the time you factor in the California state tax. And then that does not at all factor in your city tax. You're $2 per gallon of gas.

I mean, the amount of tyrannical, just sort of overlordship, it's, you know, the founding fathers would be just, they wouldn't believe it. They could not believe it. I mean, even going back to Fauci, we now have a. a government where they can shut down your life, shut down your business, shut down your church services, and then lie about the reason why, like Fauci did, and then not face any accountability. All they got to do is say, oh, I plead the fifth. What are you going to do? Nothing.

They're not going to do anything because the system protects its own until it becomes inconvenient. And the framers could not have even imagined how far that this is gone. We live in a massive surveillance state. And it's not just the federal government who will. surveilling us. You've got the issue with flock safety cameras at the state and local level. There are all kinds of ways that most Americans don't even know about. Oh, my God. And look what they did in terms of using social media companies to manipulate us and silence us. And I mean, God only that was that was so uncanned.

There's so many things that happened during COVID that were laid bare that to me are just uncanny. And that was one of them, how they claim that they weren't infringing on people's free expression. And yet we have the smoking guns of all this involvement with the social media. The federal government muscling social media. It's phenomenal. Yeah, I couldn't believe that when I saw it. I mean, when that stuff was exposed, especially when the Twitter files came out, it was amazing. Like, they actually pressured social media companies to violate people's right to free speech in an indirect way.

And people don't know that they do this all the time. I mean, even when they collect data, they can't directly collect data in the way that corporations can. But corporations can give them the data. They find all kinds of different ways to subvert the Constitution. And we're going about our lives having no idea what's going on because we're distracted by a lot of the culture war issues or what's going on or the fact that a lot of us are even having trouble putting food on the table.

Meanwhile, the government grows and grows and grows. And it doesn't matter which party is in charge. It's grown under Republicans. It's grown under Democrats. And it's not going to stop until something happens. Yeah, nobody misappropriates capital or at least utilizes capital less effectively than government. And yet we've consistently given them more and more and more. And now the DSA wants to give them everything.

That to me is just a mind-blowing sort of phenomenon we're getting into here. Speaking of which, Mayor Mumdami is now going to publish the names of all the people who qualified for the APATA tear tax here in New York City. I'm in New York City right now. We, it was, the whole thing, I don't understand how they expect these people not to just unload their, their real estate as quickly as possible. But isn't this some sort of a privacy issue here? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it's absolutely ridiculous. The thing is, when the New York Times is willing to criticize Mandani over this, you know he went wrong because even Democrats are speaking out again. this. I mean, even imposing the tax in the first place, it's almost like he wants these people to leave the city. I mean, and it is, remember, if you recall the mayor of Seattle, the new mayor, who I believe is also a Democratic socialist, when she was faced the same thing because she wanted to levy more taxes, she was like, oh, well, bye, if you want to leave. Like, voters need to be paying attention to what their government is doing, especially at the local level, because if you focus too much on the federal government, you're going to miss what your mayor is doing. You're going to miss what your city council is doing, and that's the government that can affect you the most.

They don't care that it's going to hurt the state. They only care about looking like they're trying to help people by stealing from others. Right. Ideological frame, always, never the pragmatic frame. Look, don't forget what AOC did here in Long Island City chased away a multi-billion dollar development by Amazon. People were already buying property and expecting to build things. and it was going to transform Long Island City. And she was gleeful when she chased them out. Why?

Because they were going to get a tax break to bring billions of dollars in to their city. Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, these people don't care. I mean, if they get the world that they want, there will still be elites. The difference is that they're the ones who are going to be the elites and the rest of us are going to be equally impoverished. And that's the whole, that's the whole thing that Orwell warned about. animal farm. You know, some animals are more equal than others. They think that they're going to use the government to force equality. The reality is that they're not. There will still be that upper class because even a lot of these people who claim to be socialist, they are very

much in love with capitalism. Bernie Sanders, AOC, a lot of them. Like, they want socialism for thee, but not for me. You're absolutely right. Other than on X, Jeff, where should we find you? Yeah, you can check out my work on townhall.com. You can check out my podcast, which is called A Fresh Perspective with Jeff Charles. And I have a substack blog called Chasing Liberty at Libertychacers.com. Fantastic. Say it all again. Those are great, something great material.

And the golly murders too. Yeah, yeah, townhall.com. You can check me out. And then you can check out the grinning golly murders as well. If you love mysteries and thrillers, you can get the e-book for only 99. cents paperback for $9.99 on Amazon. And you can check out my substack at Libertychasers.com.

Congratulations. And hopefully that will see that on streaming platform soon enough. Thanks, Jeff. Thank you. You got it. All right. Michael Gates is up next. He, of course, was

the Assistant Attorney General and the Department of Justice. And he's now running for Attorney General in California. We'll talk to him. after this. Hey, Dr. Drew here, and we are interested in health and longevity, and the longevity nutrient is Fat 815, discovered amazingly by a veterinarian who was responsible for the Navy's fleet of dolphins.

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need. Thank you for the truth. My pleasure. We are going to take your calls at 8333-3-D-R-A-W. Go to Gates for AG.com and also follow Michael Gates at Michael Gates-E-Squire, ESQ on X. Michael, how is the campaign going? It is going really, really well. We launched in January, as you know. We had a June primary and performed exceedingly well. We got 3.4 million. votes just from the June primary. And that represents that every registered Republican who voted voted for me. And then another 800,000 of no party preference and Democrat voters as well. So we are appealing to the masses.

We are crossing party lines. We've got a long list of endorsements. As you know, Chad Bianco, who was running for governor, just endorsed me a couple weeks ago. So we're building support, building a coalition, and we're doing quite well. And are people taking to the slogan make crime illegal again? Yeah, so I mean, this is really not a good season. If you're Rob Bonta, who's the incumbent Attorney General, right now, the 2006 Consumer Affairs Report just came out just last week, I think, or the week before.

And according to the study in that 2006 Consumer Affairs Report, California is ranked the second most dangerous state in the nation to live in. It may be surprising to some, maybe not to others, but it is absolutely true. And then if you add to it that the FBI data on violent crime ranks California sixth highest in crime in the nation, again, that's FBI data, not the Rob Vontas, his own data from the California Department of Justice, but the FBI data on violent crime. So California is very, very violent, and so I'm out there preaching that we need to return to law and order that we need to be tough on crime and we can make neighborhoods safe again. Just like I did in Huntington Beach when I was the city attorney there for 10 years,

we were tough on crime, no excuses. And because of that, Huntington Beach is ranked in the top 10 safest cities in the state of California out of nearly 500 cities. So Huntington Beach is extremely safe. It's one of the larger cities with 200,000 residents and 15 million visitors a year. And notwithstanding those high numbers on population and visitors, we are ranked one of the safest cities in the entire state of California. So we can do this. I love how many times you sued Newsom. That's also very appealing. Yeah. Well, as you know, we sued Newsom over the COVID lockdowns when he came down to Huntington Beach during COVID to shut down our beaches with armed state troopers, concrete barricades and bulldozers. We sued him to open up our beaches again. It's like I said, Huntington Beach is one of the larger cities, 27 square miles, eight miles of beautiful coastline.

And he literally shut us down, wouldn't allow law-abiding tax-paying citizens to go to the beach. During COVID, as you know, a very stressful time for society. When you couldn't go to the bank, you couldn't go to the grocery store, you couldn't even go to church. People were just trying to go to our beaches in Huntington Beach and Newsom took that away from us. But we sued on a number of other friends too. We sued to return millions of dollars or the taxpayer money to Huntington Beach from the state of California. We sued over high density housing mandates. We even sued to protect parents' rights that AB1955 law that went into effect in

in 2024 that mandated that teachers keep secrets from parents with regard to children's gender transition issues. We sued. Huntington Beach sued. That was my lawsuit that sued and we won. And then the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, if you follow the news coming out of the Ninth Circuit, a few weeks ago, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals sided with the city of Huntington Beach again, blocking AB 1955 in the state of California.

So we fought a lot of good battles against Sacramento, like you mentioned. I've got a great record of fighting Sacramento and winning. And that's why I'm running for Attorney General because I know I can go to Sacramento and win for everyday Californians everywhere in the state. Whereas Robonta, our current Attorney General is just a politician. He's been acting like a politician. He's a professional politician. He's not a real lawyer. And so we can have a change in California.

But we all, we have to come together. I mean, your audience, everybody out there has to know we've got to mobilize, activate. We've got to get everybody to vote in this election. If we have high turnout, we win. I saw our friend, our mutual friend, Chef Gruhl on Gutfeld last night and he became known because of daring to try to keep his employees employed during COVID and serving food outdoors where COVID isn't transmitted. Yeah, Andrew is a great leader. We're so happy to have him on our city council here in Huntington Beach. I was the city attorney here for 10 years and I still reside in the city.

I'm a lifelong Huntington Beach resident. So it's just a great city. Glad to have Andrew Rule as one of our leaders. We need common sense leadership up and down the state of California. We lack common sense. It seems at all levels of government, particularly in Sacramento. I mean, just look at the Stop Nick Shirley Act where our Sacramento, our government and Rob Bonta, our attorney general is allowing this attack on our First Amendment rights. I have been on record as saying that when I'm the attorney general, I'm not going to enforce this Stop Nick Shirley Act because enforcing it would necessarily mean that I would be violating the rights of our everyday Californians. So there's a whole lot of correction, a whole lot of change that we need in Sacramento. And you mentioned the lockdowns, and I'm certainly aware of the Fauci testimony yesterday, and we now have the Florida Attorney General opening up his own investigation into the Fauci files, let's call it. If you were Attorney General, would you do something similar? 100%. I said this yesterday. I put it on social media. Dr. Fauci is in a world of hurt right now, And I don't think people realize, first of all, the blanket pardon that President Biden issued on behalf of Fauci to pardon him from all crimes was so generic and overbroad that if it were properly challenged in court, I do not think it would pass constitutional muster.

pardoned were meant for specific crimes, pardons for specific crimes, and the pardon should actually contemplate a specific crime. You can't just have a blanket pardon, which is a get out of jail free card, and it just be blanket. That basically removes all accountability from our government, or federal government at least,

if the governor or the president can come in and just issue blanket pardons for everybody who once served in his administration, then you remove all accountability. You remove the answerability to the public. So that pardon is, I think, is subject to constitutional challenge in the first place. In the second place, a federal pardon does not absolve somebody like Fauci from accountability to the states. There is state accountability.

There are state laws on the books that can be pursued against Fauci. I don't want to get into it right now and speculate because this is going to be sifted out over the next number of months. But I absolutely, as attorney general, will be holding everybody accountable, whether they served in the Biden administration, whether they served in the, you have a Newsom administration here in California, whoever is found to have committed a crime is going to be convicted, is going to be prosecuted, and whoever is suspected of a crime will be investigated. So we're going to be tough on crime. We're going to be tough on the law, no matter who you are or where you are, if you violated state law, state criminal law, we're going to get you. You're going to be held accountable. So I think

Fauci's in a world of hurt. He shouldn't have even been invoking the Fifth Amendment because I thought he you had a pardon, right? So this whole notion that he can just sit there and say, I plead the fifth, I plead the fifth. Well, wait a second, you had a pardon, which means you now can't be held. The Fifth Amendment, those who invoke the Fifth Amendment in those contexts don't understand what the Fifth Amendment does. It prevents self-incrimination. But if you can't be held accountable at the federal level for anything that you say, then the Fifth Amendment doesn't apply. So there's a whole lot of problems with this. I thought Senator Halley did a very, very good job in his examination. I reviewed his examination a couple times. I thought he did a very,

very good job of holding Fauci to task and explaining to him what the Fifth Amendment actually stands for. But yeah, so absolutely as AG, I applaud the Florida AG. I absolutely would. We currently have an AG in Rob Bonta here in California that looks the way on everything. He looks the other way on crime. He looks the other way on waste fraud and abuse, the corruption that we're seeing. He looks the other way on everything. So I don't expect him to actually step up and do the right thing as it relates to Fauci. Yeah, the Josh Hawley also put a shine to light on something which I did not, had not seen before, which was that Dr. Fauci had used government employees and government time to go after awards and money on his behalf, which was kind of stunning. So I don't know.

Where is the witch hunt in that that happened? I don't know, right? Yeah, absolutely. And I do wish, in many respects, the Trump administration would be much more aggressive. I think it would restore confidence in the American people in our systems. I think when people get a pass or when government officials who can hold wrongdoers accountable look the other way, it really undermines the confidence of the American people in our systems and in our government leaders. So I do wish there was some accountability there. I think having a Senate hearing where basically a witness gets cross-examined is not enough. We need to see. investigations. We need to see charges brought. We need to see prosecutions. And so, yeah,

absolutely an abuse of federal resources like that for one's own personal gain is absolutely illegal and it should be pursued. So kudos to Holly for highlighting it, but hopefully the government officials move forward with it. Now, speaking of losing faith in the government, one of the air, as a Californian, the voting system is, yeah, I mean, we literally, everyone I talked to, it lives in California, just like, what are we supposed to do here? This is, how do we, and, you know, it comes out 60% one direction every time somebody sends something to the ballot. It's just, it's absurd. And we had evidence during the mayoral race of some of what's going on here. What do we do about all this? Or, A, what does anybody's citizen, what does the average citizen do about it now?

And what are you going to do about it as attorney general? So the average citizen, I think, needs to seize on this moment here in November in this election to go out and vote and get all your friends and neighbors to vote. There really is something to this make it too big to rig because there is always going to be a certain amount of fraud. And that fraud I'll touch on in a minute. It needs to be addressed. It needs to be attacked by prosecutors and government leaders. It's not now. But at the same time, we also need to outpace the fraud and the abuse.

We need to outpace it by getting really, really good turn. In November, we're expecting, we're anticipating approximately 65% turnout amongst Democrats, NPPs, that's no party preference, and then Republicans. So we're expecting about a 65% turnout. That's a very, very high turnout for a gubernatorial election. We're actually expecting maybe historic turnout in November. That's going to be good for challenger candidates like myself. But it's, you know, it's a gubernatorial cycle, like I said.

And so we're hoping that things like voter ID on the ballot, those are going to be driving forces to get people out to vote. So make it too big to rig on the one hand. And people, please do not lose faith. If you lose faith and you don't vote in November, then you're surrendering. Let's not surrender. Let's take up arms and let's go out and let's vote. Let's get our friends and neighbors to vote and make it too big to Rick.

Okay, there's that. On the mayor's race, I absolutely would be investigating it if I was the attorney general right now. I have said this before on podcast and in the media. Rob Bonta, our current Attorney General, who's not investigating the L.A. Mayoral's race from the June primary, absolutely should be investigating. And here's why. There are indications of error and or wrongdoing in that election. There's a couple obvious things. One is Bill Isaley from the U.S. Department of Justice in the Central District in L.A. He's investigating and he's already announced investigations into voter fraud. Once there's any indication like that, then the Attorney General's office should absolutely be descending upon Los Angeles. to investigate. Once there's any indication, there should be an investigation. But too, we also saw that Spencer Pratt had a very, very strong position in second place. And then suddenly within days, Raman overtook him at a statistically improbable rate. And so that needs to be investigated, too. You talk to any statistics expert, they will say that's an improbability. I mean, that that, that,

that rise by Raman and drop of Pratt was way too statistically improbable. And so that should be be investigated. So Rob Bontas should be investigating and I would be investigating. And in fact, when I'm Attorney General here in November, when I get elected, I will start an investigation into the June primary in Los Angeles, specifically as it relates to the mayor rule race. So I will take that on. But what the Attorney General can do, generally speaking, once I'm elected, I'm going to make sure that we're compliant with all federal elections laws. Right now, California is not compliant with federal elections laws. As you mentioned, I worked for the Department of Justice last year. And one of the things I did was sue a number of states for violating federal elections laws. I sued the state of California.

I have done election integrity work litigation for years. California is not compliant with federal laws and it's not compliant even with state laws. There's a body of called the state elections code. There's a body of state law that basically is designed in part to ensure election integrity. Our registrar or voters and our county clerks are not even complying with state election law. And so as the attorney general is the top law enforcement officer in the state and the top legal advisor for all state agencies, it's my job to make sure that we comply with all federal law and all state law and enforce all state law. So that's what I'm going to do as attorney general. In addition to, I've already promised the public out on the campaign trail that when I'm attorney general,

I will investigate every single complaint of election, irregularity, or anomaly throughout the state of California, every single one of them, where Rob Bonta is shutting down investigations like the one in Riverside by Sheriff Chad Bianco into the special election on Prop 50. He's shutting down that investigation and then he's not investigating the Los Angeles mayoral race, I will be investigating every single one of those. And the reason for that is you may find wrongdoing, you may find crimes committed, but then on the other hand, you may not find anything. And then you can go out and tell the public that you did a full investigation, you did your due diligence, and everything was done according to law and according to process. That news would build confidence in our systems.

But we don't have that right now because we don't have an attorney general who's taking the law seriously. And frankly, he hates election integrity. He even sued Rob Bonta. He sued Huntington Beach when it adopted its own local voter ID law. So California is lawless right now at the hands of Rob Banta because he picks and chooses. He's picking winners and losers. And he's playing politics with the office. And I'm going to restore election integrity throughout the state of California. And I'm going to return California to a law and order state. Gates number four AG, Gates4AG.com go there to support my Michael Gates. I think you understand why I'm enthusiastic about his candidacy. And you mentioned losing faith and giving up. And I have no doubt in your fortitude in seeing this through.

But I worry about your wife. Is she okay? She's making it through this. She's the one we have to support through this. I know. We're doing this together. We made up our minds. We're committed. We've got a few more months here. And I think we can rescue California. All right. Tell her, send her our best. And Godspeed, my friend. Thank you, brother. Appreciate it. Right. Dr. Cyril. Michael Gates, it's Gates for AG, Michael Gates, ESQ on X. And he was actually my attorney back years ago before he started getting into city attorney job. And then did you know that, Caleb? No, I think you mentioned, you might have mentioned that in passing when we were in D.C. because he was with us when we saw Harmeet Dillon, right? Right, right. Yeah, yeah. I remember that when he was right at the DOJ. He was a young malpractice attorney back then, and I had this incredibly frivolous suit.

And he just did a great job back then. And we reunited many, many, many years later. And so he's got great kids and great grandkids and great wife. And so he's just a seriously solid human being. I just feel in general, I feel so much safer every day having Michael Gates and Harmute Dillon as attorneys in the government. I just feel like my rights will be defending. will actually be defended because harm meat just wouldn't put up with it. But you got to get Michael,

we got to get Michael into California, AG. That's where he's going to really have a big, big, big impact. So were you getting glitching on what was going out to the world there? Because I was glitching at my end here. Nope. And we probably, this might be our highest viewed show on YouTube of the year. There's a very large amount of people over there.

And we're number one on Rumble. So thanks everyone for watching us on all the platforms. Thank you for being here. I'm seeing you guys doing battle over on the rant. Scientific facts. COVID-19 saved over $2,000, World One, convincing where I'm saying. So this is Mott 50s, Mots 7. So you can at once say, I know, but you can at once say,

this is something I want to really point out over and over again. You can at once say that, yes, the COVID was horrible. It killed a million people. H1N1 was horrible. It killed 300,000 people. And yet, one, we shut down the world for the other. You don't even know it happened.

Okay, that's fine. There was some errors made. The vaccine for COVID, I'm thoroughly and have been convinced as help the elderly, the people at risk from dying from COVID. And I vaccinated all of my patients because of that. I see no indication for a 19-year-old college student. In fact, a mandate that, I would say, is not only bioethical transgression. It should have been illegal, but okay. And if people want to take the vaccine, fine, take the vaccine.

But, you know, this idea that it was universally good or universally bad is just, it's just, let's look at the data, everybody. And the fact, I mean, that it's a complicated landscape. We do know for sure that tens of million people were harmed by the public health policy of the time. We had multiple A-B tests on this. We had Florida. We had Sweden. We had things where it worked not to do those things. And things were much less damaging, particularly to young people.

you want to talk about impact on years of life or years of life lost, you have to look at the young people. Yeah, it's worth a risk to expose old people to something that may have some untoward side effects, particularly when it's a virus that disproportionately, massively disproportionately affects that population. So if we had just let doctors do their job back in the beginning and not had a public debate about this amongst people that have no understanding of these clinical decision-making complexities, we would have been much better off. That's the bottom line here.

And I'll tell you what, back during AIDS, that's what we did. And we, you know, the AIDS, what people don't appreciate about AIDS is that was one of the most monumentally extraordinary chapters in medical history. Within four years, really between eight years, but within four years, we had characterized an illness, a brand new illness, worked out its epidemiology, started to come out with some treatments and by eight years turned it into a chronic illness. That is, took us a thousand years to figure out what syphilis was. So that was a monumental achievement. No matter how you want to spend it, the outcome was extraordinarily good. And during the dark days, we had nothing to offer these poor men. It was just a terrible, awful chapter.

And no one around left to tell the story except those of us that took care of those, those unfortunate young man at the time. It was really a sad time. Okay. So what we're going to do here is coming up on Monday. Timp is coming in to our studio in Los Angeles. And then we'll be gone the rest of the week. And then Emily Kaplan from Broken Science comes in with Romio Gendra,

my Cathwood, my old love line co-host. Kelly Victory back in here. Jeff J. Bieber, salty cracker, towards the latter part of August. So there's a lot going on in August. And we will appreciate you all being here. Let me just quickly look at your comments and all. your restream comments. You know, the guys were very alive there.

I was trying to keep track of it. We appreciate, I really like the fact that you guys express yourself on these streams. I think it's very, very, very, very healthy. That's my point. Discourse is good. Shutting down discourse is bad. Update your priors. Be Bayesian in your reasoning where you can.

Always be prepared to change your opinion. The best we can do is to come to an approximation of the truth. we never get to the truth. If you want to say it in spiritual terms, only God knows the truth, the ultimate truth. The human being, our little weekend instrument here,

we cannot know all truth. We can't know, we can't even know very simple truths oftentimes. So, all right, everybody. We appreciate your being here, and we will see you. Monday's going to be early, right, Caleb? Also, by the way, is that not true?

I'm not certain. It's on my list. It says 2 p.m. on Monday. Okay, hold on. Let me look at this because I've got it on my scale. I thought we were going to do it at one or something. thing, but let me look. Uh, uh, yeah, I have it at one.

You might be, you might actually be right. It could, it might actually be at noon on Monday, but I'll get that all cleared up before the next show. Oh, goodness gracious. Look at all this stuff I have to do on Monday. Wow. Okay. So we'll see you Monday.

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