Ask Dr. Drew - New Fauci Diary Leak: Ebola Was Secretly Aerosolized In 2016 Army Experiments, 50x More Lethal Than COVID – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 672

Episode Date: October 2, 2026

Newly released diary entries and internal emails obtained by Sen. Rand Paul reveal that Dr. Anthony Fauci privately sounded the alarm in 2016 after learning the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) had aerosolized Ebola in a study funded by his own institute. “What idiots,” Dr. Fauci wrote in March 2016. “This should have been a classified experiment, that never should have been done in the first place.” The documents reveal that vaccinated primates exposed to the airborne pathogen suffered severe lung inflammation – with worse outcomes than the unvaccinated. “During the course of those experiments, the DOD noticed that the animals that were vaccinated had more inflammation [in the lungs than] those who were unvaccinated,” Fauci wrote in his diary at the time. “Nonetheless, the idea that the vaccine can do harm is now causing people a great deal of concern.” “Records show NIAID was funding risky research with the Defense Department. And when the results turned problematic, Dr. Fauci argued they should have been classified,” says Sen. Rand Paul. “It is clear additional oversight is needed into what Dr. Fauci’s institute was paying for long before COVID.” Peter Navarro Ph.D., the former Senior Counselor to President Trump and author of Why Fauci MUST Rot in Prison, joins Dr. Drew to break down the unsealed diary, disease weaponization, and federal gain-of-function accountability. National security expert Dr. Bradley Thayer examines Chinese Communist Party leverage and geopolitical conflict. Board-certified psychiatrist Dr. Josef Witt-Doerring returns to discuss the latest findings in the Presley Gerber investigation and new studies debunking “addictive personalities.” Peter Navarro Ph.D. served as Senior Counselor to President Trump for Trade and Manufacturing. He holds a Ph.D. in economics from Harvard University and is Professor Emeritus of Economics and Public Policy at UC–Irvine. His latest book is “Why Fauci Must ROT In Prison” available at https://amzn.to/4y0A2j0. Follow at https://x.com/RealPNavarro Bradley Thayer Ph.D. is a founding member of the Committee on the Present Danger China and co-author of “Embracing Communist China: America’s Greatest Strategic Failure” and author of “America’s 100 Years’ War: How to Win Against Communism” available at https://amzn.to/46UrxuI. Formerly, he was a Special Governmental Employee in the Department of Homeland Security. Follow at https://x.com/bradthayer Dr. Josef Witt-Doerring is a board-certified psychiatrist and former FDA Medical Officer, now Medical Director of TaperClinic. He previously worked at Janssen Pharmaceuticals and the FDA’s Division of Psychiatry, and hosts the podcast Side Effects with Dr. Josef. Follow at https://x.com/drjosefWD 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Dr. Fauci was doing experiments on Ebola virus and aerosolizing it. And then there was a vaccine that ensued and he covered up some information about that vaccine, which apparently looked worse than the Ebola itself. I guess, let's see, no, nope, I guess we were talking about the COVID vaccine. There you go. He actually said that the Ebola studies in his diary writes, what idiots, this should have been a fight experiment that should have never done done in the first place. Yeah, I think we'd agree with him on that. Again, we have a lot to talk about. Then Brad Thayer gets here to speak about geopolitical tensions and the Chinese Communist Party's leverage over American

infrastructure. He is a founding member of the Committee on the Present Danger China and co-author of Embracing Communist China. Follow his updates at at Brad Thayer, T-H-A-Y-E-R. And then finally, Dr. Yosef comes back again. We've got some updates on the tragic death of Presley Gerber.

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The psychopaths start this fact. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for a sick. Where do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician.

I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveland all the time, educate adolescents, and to prevent, and to treat. Do you have trouble? You can't stop, and you want to help stop it. I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say.

And the book by Peter Navarro is Why Fauci Must Rot in Prison. Let's see. Are there other things you can, places you can follow Peter? Peter, welcome to the show, welcome back to the show. Where do you want people to find you? I was honored to be with you, Doc. Peternavara.com, that is the gateway to social media, X, Getter, Truth, Instagram.

I've got a substack and a podcast of Navarro Express. What I try to do with all of that, you know, at the White House, the trade guy, manufacturing guy, the Econ guy, And my day job, I'm getting things out every day about how the economy is doing really well, how manufacturing, which is my bag, is really strong and things like that. But I'm taking a little time out because when Bobby Kennedy hunted down Fauci's diary, a great story in and of itself, and then I read the damn thing, and compared it to my diary,

I thought, you know, there's a quick, important book. And I am deadly serious people about putting Fauci in jail. It's not hyperbole. This is not that. Okay. This book, I am the prosecutor. You're the jury. You will render a verdict.

But the last few chapters of the book go through the legality of putting him in prison. And it goes from genocide to creating the virus that killed 15 million people to begin with to obstruction and things under the RICO Act for cover. up the fact that the virus came from the lab, not from nature, as he tried to cover up. There's a couple of statutes, one in Texas that covers death of the unborn. There's a, I think the worst thing singly that I report in this book right out of his diary is this contrast between him saying in his diary, there's risk for women in the first trimester get in the jab, okay? Right.

And then he goes out and not only tells women, it's safe, take it, but hey, if you don't take it, you might lose your job, okay? So there's a Texas statute, and then there's a Florida statute that covers death of the elderly, senior citizens in circumstances. So I build the case. People should know that I was in the White House. I was the first guy in the White House to recognize the threat of the pandemic going back in January of 2020. I met Fauci for the first time in the situation room when President Trump sent me there to argue on behalf of the China travel ban.

And I met this guy, didn't know he walked on water, didn't know who he was. Although I knew that was within 90 seconds, I was in a violent argument with that SOB. He kept saying travel bans don't work. I'm saying, wait a minute. Wait a minute. There's brown clouds of dead bodies being burned in crematorium over Wuhan, a city of 18 million people. There's a virus loose. The Chinese aren't letting people travel.

And you think putting 20,000 Chinese on aircraft every day into this country is smart. So that was the beginning. As the book, Why Fauci Must Rod in Prison reports, I fought Fauci first on the travel ban, then on the lockdown. My claim there, which is proven to be right, and that's the great Barrington Declaration kind of essence, is that lockdowns would kill and harm people more than the virus itself. Right about that.

I fought them on the masks. And certainly doing some really, I think, fine work. with Dr. Robert Malone, and the fine work was on his part, but we partner on stuff. We pointed out very early on in the Biden regime when the vaccine was being pushed on everybody, that that thing was going to be leaky, that it shouldn't be used for universality. It should be targeted only that people with comorbidities and seniors. And that's what this book is about. And what's remarkable, Dr. Drew, is time after time,

time, Dr. Anthony Stephen Fauci would write in his diaries one thing and do just the opposite. And when he did the opposite, probably it always hurt American people. And he knew, he knew in January that that virus came from the lab. There's a great scene in his diary. Ten out of 12 experts told him that thing came from the lab. Now, what that did, and I talk about this, I tell the story in why Fauci must rot in prison of how. As soon as Fauci was told that that virus came from the Wuhan lab, he realized that he was responsible for that virus because he knew that he had funded this thing called gain of function research.

What does that mean in practical terms? It means that in that lab in Wuhan, which was also a bio-weapons lab, They took otherwise harmless bat viruses and used the gain of function tools to basically gain the function of being able to jump to humans and kill them. Okay? It's as simple as that. And Fauci did that. I noticed in your intro, you're talking about what he did in 2014 with Ebola.

His vision, this Frankenstein vision, was, hey, let's create this deadly virus so then we could go ahead and create vaccines to kill the virus in case it ever popped up. And it's like what he obviously didn't take into account was the fact that viruses can leak or in the case of Wuhan might possibly been actively released by the Chinese military basically to attack the Trump administration politically. So it's all in the book. Please go to Amazon and get it. It's a passion with me. I want that guy in jail because of the damage she's done. And if you're watching this, you have been hurt by Fauci. If for no other reason you had this, it'd be locked up for many months of your life.

But I'm sure you might have been forced to take the jab and then the boosters and then another booster. And then maybe your son got myocarditis because he didn't need that thing and never should have been given it. maybe your daughter had a miscarriage and you don't have a grandchild because of that. These are the things that guy did. And he made a ton of money doing it, Doc. What do you think is wrong with him? You had these very explicit sort of conflicts with him. First of all, I'm wondering if you say you had the first conflict regarding the Chinese travel ban,

then you conflicted with him over a man. masking and lockdowns? Were those in-person, like hardcore conflicts? You know, I buried the lead here because the second major face-to-face one I had, which I talk about in why Fauci-Mestrod in prison, was in the situation, in the iconic situation room. Mike Pence was chairing the chair of the task force, and it was the battle over hydroxychloroquine for use in early treatment of COVID. it. Now, I don't think a lot of people in this audience think hydroxychloroquine is a quack medicine because you've been educated. But most of America still thinks that. But here's

what's extraordinary. I think this is going to surprise you, Dr. Drew. In Fauci's diary, he actually advocated using hydroxychloroquine for the pandemic early. He acknowledged that it was safe, and it is one of the safest drugs because it's been used for 70 years, treating malaria, people with lupus take it literally every day. He actually wrote this down to, I don't know if you know this. He said, yeah, let's do this, but let's be careful with remdesivir. Let's make sure that goes through trials. But what happened was that President Trump came out in favor of hydroxychloroquine,

and then the media created this hydroxy hysteria using bad data and phony studies. And it hurt me so much, Doc, because I was the quartermaster, essentially, of the pandemic. I went from Trade Advisor to the quartermaster. I was the Defense Production Act policy coordinator. My job was to get everybody, their masks, gloves, PPE, swabs, and things like. that and they had me do that because before I was doing manufacturing, so I had all those connections. And I had, I had 65 million pills of hydroxy, 65 million. And I was in the process of distributing those first to the, the middleman, as it were, that then would go to the

hospitals and the pharmacies. And that SOB Fauci interdicted that, got the FDA to do an unfavorable ruling, and I couldn't distribute those 65 million. And I'll tell you, if I had, there would be thousands of Americans alive today, because if you take that hydroxy in the first seven days, it reduced symptoms and it reduced mortality rates. So, Doc, I'm sitting there in the situation room and I'm going at him with it. I got like studies like I got him piled this high. And just like the China travel ban, he goes, hydroxy guys, I'm wearing. He doesn't work.

And what are you talking about? So I thought him on everything. He mentions me in his diary close to 60 times. I clearly got under his skin. There's not a lot of profanity in his diary, but I managed to get some of that in my way. And, you know, I'm like the economist, right? He's the doctor. and I turned out to be right about everything, and the doctor was wrong. And you asked me what's wrong with him.

First of all, I think he's a sociopath. Yeah. He's, if you look at the diary, it always starts out in this macabre way. It lists how many people to date are dead in the United States and worldwide. That's always his first entry. And then you'll get like whiplash, Doc, because then he'll go talk about, uh, this is his latest, uh, Hollywood star that called him up for advice. You know, Barbara Streislander. It's like, and he just loved, he just loved being a bobblehead. I mean, this makes his day. Yes. I mean, this guy should be in prison for the rest of his life for all the misery he has caused. And again, I make that case and why Fauci must run in prison.

I'm presented as the first part of the book, it's an opening statement like a trial. I lay it all out. You have manslaughter, homicide, genocide, obstruction, RICO Act, hits that he does on elderly, hits that he does on unborn babies. And there's nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, Tony.

You're going down. And states are actually already beginning to pursue this prosecution. And I want to emphasize, read this book, talk to your legislators, talk to your attorney general. This thing can go, if everybody learns exactly what he did.

Caleb, what are you highlighting there for us? I can't quite see it. This is exactly what Mr. Navarro is talking about. So this is just the first page that was released by Chairman Rand Paul. I guess it was this morning or yesterday. And it's the first page just covered. And Fauci, most of his diary is just, I was on NPR. I was on BBC radio. The next day, oh, I was on this interview.

I was on BBC World. He keeps track of every single TV appearance. Weird. It's weird. He's so turned on by, yeah. Well, let's say he's not a sociopath. Let's say he's a narcissist. Let's call him a narcissist. I think that's a fair assessment.

But why, I'm trying to understand why his, on one hand, his judgment seemed adulterated. On the other hand, he seemed so grandiose and so self-assured. And you see, you know, I've seen videos lately of him back during the AIDS pandemic when I thought he was doing such a great job. And you see lots of the same kinds of characteristics where he does not contemplate that he could make a wrong decision, nor does he contemplate that anyone would sort of call question to some of the stuff you put in that diary. Well, well, history, history doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme. And you and a lot of other people got fooled by his performance during the epidemic, but Larry Kramer did not. Larry Kramer was the leading AIDS advocate. And if you go back

in time, Fauci did essentially the same thing, Doc, in 2014, in his diary, he did the same thing with AIDS that he did with hydroxychloroquine, which is to say he withheld medicines that were helping gay people not drowned in their own vomit. And Larry Kramer estimated that 17,000 people died at Fauci's hand because of that. And so fast forward to Hydroxy, he did the same damn thing. But that was like what I understood before I read his diary. And then I saw it's worse than that because he knew Hydroxy was safe, yet he went about the business of taking it off. And, you know, I go with the sociopath thing. I mean, you mentioned I was in prison, right? There was a guy in there who was like a mini Bernie Madoff, right? And the thing about

Madoff and this guy in prison, it's like they knew the harm and the damage they were doing, but they could go about their life as confidence men and act as the most trustworthy people in the world, knowing full well that they were destroying lives. Madoff and this guy was with in prison by stripping people of their wealth and prospects. And Fauci, by inflaming young men's hearts and the not informing pregnant women of the risk, inventing, offshoring the gain of function research that would create the virus.

So narcissists, certainly, but I think a sociopath, because I don't know how you explain his behavior any other way. I mean, he comes across his, and that's why he, he won America's heart. And shame on us. Because I can see right through the first day I met him. And I told the president several times he needed to get that guy out of the White House. But there was just so many people who were enthralled by this guy. And it was like, you know, I'd come in and just do my job. And I just shit my hand. Yeah, Peter, I think how different would have bond if Robert Redfield could have just been allowed to do his job or if they listen to Scott Atlas a little bit, you know, just just a little, just let them offer some opinions.

But no one was able to, it was the weirdest thing. It makes me, so one of the questions I have is why was the Department of Defense involved with all this? And Fauci's department, his organization that he oversaw was very involved with defense. Is it all these bio-weapons programs? Is that why he was given such a giant budget? But then why is it under... But the vaccine is still protected by, I think, what's it called, the Prep Act, I think? And that to me is weird.

Okay, so the Department of War, as we now call it, bio-weapons are a very important part of having a strategy to protect Americans. I mean, if you think about kind of the mustard gas of World War I, that's like a pre-curepred predecessor of a pandemic that people could hurt. So they work with Fauci on bioweapons, but by fault Fauci on offshore. See, I see this across so many industries, right? It's like what Fauci effectively did, he's offshoreed a technology at American taxpayer's expense.

He offshores it to China because he couldn't do it on home soil because we had higher regulations and we wouldn't let them do it. So he offshors it. And then China, it's a bio-weapons lab in Wuhan in addition to the civilian lab. and China is notorious for taking whatever technology we give them and then make it something more or different and in this case into a bio weapon. So that's what Fauci was doing. And I mean, what you learn about his empire, right?

He mentioned Scott Atlas. He got Scott Atlas fired. I don't know if you know that. That's in the diary. He went regressively after Scott and got him out the door. I mean, he goes right to the vice president said, fire, get him out. And he was gone. And Scott, I mean, look, I was fighting Fauci long before Scott got there. Scott got in there. And he was like being at the alamo. You know, he was surrounded. He didn't have a chance.

I had had four years in the Trump administration and I kind of knew my way around a political fight. So Fauci couldn't get me. But Scott was, yeah, he thought if you just told the truth and spoke about the science and made the case for herd immunity, people would listen. But that's not what happened. And one of the things, this whole vaccine thing, I mean, it's, I call it the medical industrial complex. That's like a mode to Eisenhower's defense industrial complex. And what Fauci was able to do with the cover up,

of the lab origins was use his ability to give grants to very smart people, a very prestigious industry in universities, and get them essentially to write papers that said, ah, this thing's from nature. I mean, it's the timeline there in the book, Why Fauci must run in prison. He's told in January that by 10 to 12 experts, that this is a lot of the, that this is the, thing came from the lab. And that would have been the Wuhan lab because that's where it was. He learns that. And then by six weeks later, Doc, these same scientists who said it was from the lab, write a paper called Proximal Origin and a very prestigious paper. It gets worse. Nature.

He gets, Fouchy God, I'm pointing right now over to the Brady press room, right? It's right across the street from my office. And he stands there on the stage, Fauci, and says, this paper shows that this thing is from nature. And what he doesn't tell the people, Doc, he doesn't say that I prompted, that's his words in his diary, I prompted them to write it. He doesn't say that at all. And he doesn't admit that he did gain a function research funding for that lab. He just presented. And then at the same time. parallel track, Lancet, which is a disgusting journal for behavior during the pandemic on hydroxy.

And on this, Lancet publishes a letter signed by Peter Dansett, who's the guy who's running EcoHealth Alliance, who gets the money from Fauci and then gives the technology to China. I mean, just, yeah, you've got to read the book, why Fauci Must Run in prison to follow all those knots. I don't know if you saw, if you saw. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's wild. I don't even saw RFK Jr.'s comment a couple days ago

where he was also had found that some of this gain of function has ethnically directed targets where you can target black and white individuals, ethnic, ethnic groups, and preserve and avoid Asians. And he said it like, no, they're doing it. And they're, I've read the paper. is like, wow. Well, listen, it's, I know it's incredible. But Peter, I have to move along here. I appreciate your help. Go ahead. Just a quick thing. There was a Chinese scientist right at that lab who filed a patent for the

vaccine within weeks of the pandemic hitting, which means that he couldn't possibly have done that unless they were designing that. And yeah, they would love to have a pandemic that didn't kill Asians. So good for our RFK, we'll point out. Thanks so much for being on, Doc. You know how much I admire what you do. You just keep doing it. Peter, appreciate it. Get the book, everybody.

Why Fauci must run in prison, my friend. Thank you for going to Prism, so I didn't have to. Okay. All right. We're going to keep talking a little chair. Somebody's got to do it, you know? China with Susan Pinsky's favorite guest. I love that guy.

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Isn't there, Brad? Is there something else here is brewing? there it is America oh there's a hundred years war yeah wonderful to join you again Dr. Drew have another book in the works so we'll just hold that in abeyance for now

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at your end. I think there you go. Caleb's got it. Right. So I'm so curious when this was happening, I thought, what would Brad say about this? The Xi Summit, not even just the one, you know, him coming here and

Trump taking all those tech bros over to Beijing. What did you make of all that? Well, I think that summit was, despite what everyone had Senate about it. It was a significant meeting, Dr. Drew, and it was for three reasons. First, because although I'm sure they talked about Taiwan privately, that was not something which was

discussed openly by either Xi or by President Trump. So we want the audience, of course, to remember that Taiwan is significant for the United States for three reasons. Economically, it's a superpower in chip production. That's where the world's chips are made. If Taiwan is destroyed, if those factories are destroyed through an embargo or an invasion, we go into a depression. That is, the United States goes into a depression because we don't have any chips. Secondly, it's important geostrategically because it's a cork in the bottle of China. And then thirdly, it's important politically because it shows what China might have been. If the communists had not come to power, today's October 1st, in October 1st, 1949,

the People's Republic of China was declared. So it shows that China can be a democracy, and let's hope once again it will be. So Taiwan was certainly privately discussed, I would imagine, but not publicly. Second reason why the summit was instrumental is how Xi Jinping was so insulting to President Trump, despite Trump's efforts, the freedom at the airport, et cetera, all the points that have been made, by raising the Thucetidis' trap argument, by talking about, essentially, in essence, why America is such a young country while China is so old, and China's rising while the United States is declining, according to Xi Jinping.

That's not actually true. Third reason, because of President Trump's brilliance in combining, if you will, both the olive branch and, you know, the sword, by greeting him at the airport with demonstration of American military power, Dr. Drew, you'll remember that with the bombers overflying and fighter aircraft overflying and then also taking him to the National Archives to show America's democratic government in action and some of the founding documents. So it was, you know, it took place in the realm of political warfare as well. And it was important summit, I think, for those three big reasons.

Was it I mean, what did we come out of there with? Was it effective in some way? And by the way,

before you answer that, Thucydides' trap, we're talking about the Peloponnesian war? What was he referring to? He's referring to

Graham Allison's book. This is the trap. This is the tragedy's trap, which is an argument that, of course, it's a larger argument in our national relations theory called power transition

theory. But what Graham Allison did was make the argument that where you have rising states and declining states, they often go to war. Most often they go to war. And the rising state, that is China, wins. That's according to Graham Allison. That's a very controversial argument, and I think a wrong, fundamentally wrong argument. But that's what Xi likes to tout. He did that in Beijing, and he did it again, of course, in Washington last week, where he's essentially saying the United States time is passed

and we're heading off to the sunset while China's coming into its own. In fact, of course, that's not the case because of China's profound problems, economic problems and, of course, political problems do the Chinese Communist Party. So China's actually a declining state, not the U.S. What did we get from the meeting?

Well, I think we got a lot of, a lot. I think that, first of all, there was the symbolism of the meeting, which is significant. Second thing that we got was that there was certainly progress on trade and I think on some of the other economic issues that they discussed. Thirdly, we did not get any type of, if you will, statement on Taiwan, which I think is very significant as well. And President Trump, again, was extremely gracious to Jean. That was not reciprocated. on the Chinese side, of course, as we would not expect it to, simply because of the way the Chinese Communist Party behaves.

You wrote an article, I think it's your subject, about China in Africa. Are they wearing down with that policy? Well, I think that the PRC in Africa, of course, is a lesson of how poorly the People's Republic of China treats African nations. in fact, all countries, right, as subordinates to China. There was a great Zambian politician, a guy named Guy Scott, who said, he said, we've had bad people before. The whites were bad, the Indians were worse, but the Chinese are the worst of all

when it comes to actually their economic interactions, their trade interactions. And I think that captures it. Why was Scott saying that the Chinese were the worst of all? They were the worst of all because they are the most mercenary, the most ruthless, raw exploitation of African peoples. Well, at the same time, of course, structuring Dr. Drew a debt diplomacy. So you're loaning, you're borrowing money from China in such a way that you're never going to be able to repay it. And it's essentially that trap where you're going to be in their grip in perpetuity.

So the Chinese are a lesson of how not to treat people, and that lesson is being learned from folks in Africa, in South Asia, Southeast Asia, around the world, and in Oceania. We want to see that, you know, in the Solomon Islands in particular, and elsewhere in the South Pacific, their rotten behavior has, unfortunately, for the people concerned, has demonstrated. how valuable the United States is as an ally and partner around the world. You know, it seems to me like the Chinese are having their way with us a little bit domestically in terms of infiltrating our politics and all the NGOs and all the nonsense that's been going on for quite so long. So much time we're all becoming aware of now. But your book is How to Win This Hundred Years' War.

what do we got to do? Well, we have to remember who we are as Americans, right? That we are a country for a 250th anniversary. Well, we've established ourselves, of course, as a country, nothing has succeeded like America, in essence. And that has been outstanding for the world, as well, it's, of course, for America. What do we need to do specifically?

Well, first, again, remember who we are. remember the American spirit, the spirit of 1776, and recognize that Americans were born politically mature. We didn't have an established church. We didn't have an aristocracy. We made ourselves. We declared ourselves to be independent. We declared our principles to the world. And we've embodied them through generation after generation of sacrifice. Secondly, Dr. Drew, we need to remember, of course, our founding ideology of liberalism, which we We treat people as individuals, not as classes, the way communists do, or groups, the way communists do. Secondly, we see that people have rights given by God, not by the government, again, the way communists see that.

And then from that, we base, of course, our history, our political institutions, our governance, and our embrace of freedom and liberty. And finally, we need to recognize the importance of Western civilization that would inform the founding fathers. It's informed every generation of American sense. And we need to understand, of course, and appreciate and tout the greatness of Western civilization. So recognizing who we are is absolutely essential. But so many young people are being educated without any awareness of all this, not even understanding the basic founding ideas. That's right, Dr. Drew, and that's why the idea is industry.

What I call the ideas industry, K through 12 education, colleges, universities, law schools, our media, our museums, where Americans get their ideas. Of course, it was taken as granted that America would be essentially reproduced itself every generation. Old folks would teach young folks. And that worked for so long. But sadly, Dr. Drew, the communists penetrated those ideas industry. They're really good at figuring out how to unhinge your society. And by taking over educational systems, colleges, universities, law schools, over decades, we're seeing the consequences of that now, as you observe. So how do we fight that? Well, again, there are a lot of old folks still around, Dr. Drew. I don't know your age, but I certainly include myself among the older folks.

We know. Elderly. Elderly, yes. We know that it was different. We know what American education system should be again, and we know the importance of the ideas industry and how we need to retake it from the communists. And that begins by recognizing who we are as a free people. And recognizing the evil of communism

killed over 100 million people in about 100 years since the Bolshevik revolution in 1917. Think about that. Over 100 million people since 1917. It's an odious and evil ideology. And wherever it exists, of course, you're on the path to the graveyard.

The French had another student uprising this morning or last night, whatever was in their time zone. And I saw Mario Marischal saying, you know, I don't understand why these kids think we need more globalist activist. We need lawyers and doctors and engineers. They're going to get completely bowled over by competition. they don't get with it. And we don't need, there is no job of activists. They're going to have to realize that, which is, I thought to myself, we never say things like that. They, they are told instead that this is their, it's an important thing for them to engage in,

it's their political process. It's the exact opposite of educating the next generation. Yes, it is. And, you know, that educational system takes place in an environment which is completely divorced from the greatness of Western civilization and the appreciation of science and medicine, all the things that the West has given the world, including your discipline, medicine, right? The importance of it and the importance of science, the importance of liberty, and the equal achievements in the political realm is in the medical or in the scientific. That has been explicitly targeted, again, by communists, right?

Is their effort to destroy and unhinge the society? They know how to. They know how to. to do it really well. A final point here is just to observe, of course, that the People's Republic of China is working hand and glove with a lot of billionaires like Soros and his son Alexander, Neville Roy Singham, and his wife, Jody Evans, the founder of Code Pink. These guys create many front organizations that support Antifa around the world, including in the United States, and in Italy, Germany, and France, and work to support illegal immigration. And Americans need to recognize, of course,

that they're being undermined by the Chinese Communist Party, but also by American communists working within the United States to do so. So we're in a revolutionary time. Yeah. Well, two things. We have four. Christine Fang gave $4.4 million to Newsom and other California politicians. There's that whole, and that she's a suspected spy.

And I heard Victor David Hanson saying something today. He goes, you know, when you're living in Revolutionary Times, you often aren't aware of it. He goes, he said, we are in Revolutionary Times, number one. And number two, we also might be in a time of great economic change, but we can't see it yet. Positive change. Exactly. The fundamental argument of the book is that we are in revolutionary times of America's 100 years' war. We've been fighting communism for a long time.

And unfortunately, we've been losing the battle on the domestic front as it's grown in strength from the election of mayors in Seattle and Los Angeles, Boston, New York City. we're seeing what was furtive and what was hidden is now openly on display. And as you said, younger folks are adhering to it. They find elements

and the messages that the communists are advancing which resonate with them. That's got to be combated. And you'll often hear and at some of the talks I've given folks will say, well, communism has never been tried before. And

And true communism has never been tried before. And Americans can get it to work. And of course, you despair, of course, at the comment. But of course, the recognition that everywhere it's been tried, it has ended in the graveyard. It'll end in blood and tears as it has in every society, whether from Cambodia to China to Russia, to the states of the former Soviet Union. It's interesting to me, it's interesting that they don't chat. out Yugoslavia anymore because that was sort of the example of something that almost kind of worked sort of and held some things together and whatever and nope in the long run that didn't work

either well Dr. Thayer thank you so much for being here at Brad Thayer is where you can follow Dr. Thayer and by the way we'll bring you back to discuss the new book as it comes out but Susan go ahead how is Jiu Ping's health because I saw some rumors that yeah there have been rumors stroke. Yeah, there have been rumors for years about his health, that he's got serious health problems, which I believe certainly are true. And then there was the Bricks meeting in India just before Washington, where he seemed to have had a medical episode, as I guess Dr. Drew, you would say, or others, and was removed immediately. So his health is obviously precarious. But, you know, as a dictator, there's no old folks, dictator's home, right? This guy has got to stay in power.

He's going to stay in power as long as he's alive until he dies in office. So I would watch out for his health. He's got serious problems. I wasn't saying I hope it's bad. I was just saying I heard that his arm was limp and he removed himself and he was going up. Of a stroke affecting his neurological status except perhaps a personality stroke. Maybe that's what happened here. Maybe that's maybe that's where his arm was sort of.

The arm was sort of dangling while he was walking up the stairs. I mean, you'll see his wife. His wife was steading him, right? They held hands, which they never do, both at the National Archives and, of course, exiting the aircraft. So there's, you know, he does have serious health problems. There's no doubt about it. Okay, Drusie.

I had to ask the expert. I stand by personality. fart. But Dr. Thayer, thank you so much so much for being here. We'll talk again soon, no doubt. Well, thank you very much, Dr. Drew. It's great to see you. And excellent questions. Wonderful to hear, you know, you've got to keep your eye on these dictators. No doubt about it. Thank you. Yep. Famous words. Watch out those diction. Keep on on those guys. You know, when you guys were talking about education and I have this theory, okay, and I don't know if it's I'm going to put it out there in the universe.

So during the pandemic, you know, I thought maybe, you know, the whole idea was to shut down our educational system and slow down the minds of our youth so that they could get all their kids. They probably still went to school. So they could get the lawyers and the doctors at Harvard and Stanford and whatnot because the great averages here really dropped. I don't know. I thought it was a Chinese communist plot. They certainly took advantage of that, and they behaved as though that was premeditated, even if it wasn't. All right, we're going to take a break. Dr. Yosef, with daring coming after that, we're going to update you on the tragedy of Presley Gerber.

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host the podcast Side Effects with Dr. Yosef. You can follow him on X-D-R. Yosef, J-O-S-E-F-W-D. Yosef, welcome back. As we predicted, Benzo Plus Opiate. I'm sorry, I didn't sit you up properly. Hang on a second. I'm thinking, my head is not working. right right now. I'm thinking about the kids at Old Miss. As you and I departed last week,

we predicted that the unfortunate young people that overdose at Old Miss, we both said some form of opiate, some benzodiazepine, lo and behold, here we are. You know, I actually didn't see that. So this is news to me. So did we get the toxicology back or they found benzos by them? I heard somewhere there was ketamine, benzo, and some adulterated version of 17-0-H that made it very, very powerful, a much more powerful opiate than Kratum. Yeah, that'll do it. That's the cocktail that's taking people out across the country. Oh, and nitrous. And nitrous, too. And nitrous was in the mix, which everyone misses that one, which is kind of interesting. I've seen a lot of nitrous addiction. They get psychotic as hell. They get ascending polyneuronial. apathies and it's a sedative.

I know the nitrous, that's the whipets, right? You know, that's huffing those like cans that they use for whipped cream. I mean, that can cause some serious brain damage, you know, that demilinating, you know, B12 deficiency that, okay, so this is, this is a polydrug cocktail that took these kids out. Yeah. Right. Exactly. And there's a lot being made.

there's a creative organization out there trying to I don't know defend cratim or something again I don't have strong feelings about it but I have treated cratim addiction well before 17 oh H came around and 17OH obviously should be illegal but it's odd to me that people are even the woman that's serving as a surgeon general right now

I heard her saying well the synthetic opiate the synthetic seven hydroxy that's the one you have to worry about but the natural product, no big deal. That's like saying opium, heroin, no problem because it comes from the poppy plant, and fentanyl is the only one we should worry about because it's synthetic. I mean, clearly it doesn't make any sense. I mean, if you take enough cratum, you're going to cause serious problems there. But that's 17.0.H.

I mean, it's not a drug I've come across a lot, but I mean, that may be potent enough that it's the same as taking an oxy or something like that. Who knows what these. synthetics are. I feel like they're changing all the time. And it's really hard to keep track of just how strong of a punch they pack. Yep, that's right. And supposedly this one was illegal already in Mississippi I was reading. But there you go. So let's go back to Presley Gerber. It's a little more difficult for people to sort through. Did you see the video of when he arrived at treatment there at, yeah, what did you think of that?

I mean, what it looked like to me and to my perhaps untrained eye, I mean, he looked fine. He looked hopeful. He was taking people on a tour. He certainly didn't look like someone that was suicidal or who was about to, you know, purposefully take his life. And so things just rapidly changed. I mean, it's, to me, it almost made everything look more tragic because there was this, you know, bright-eyed kid who was just, you know, just showing people a tour of his room. It was devastating.

Yeah. I guess the question remains, I guess the way that facility was organized, they had sort of a more residential program, and they had a sober living setting, and he was shunted over to sober living. I worry it's because there just weren't beds on the residential side. And I've looked at the staff there. I don't know if you've looked at their website, but they have excellent staff. I mean, everything I can see is, you know, they're really trying to do a quality program. People have been taking aim at the medical director because he was at a legal history because he was a meth addict. And guess what? Meth addicts have legal histories.

And I welcome recovering addicts running programs if they've got years and years of recovery, particularly our professional colleagues. They can be very, very effective. I mean, that's the kind of person you actually want in charge. someone, you know, they may have had a check it past, but they're using that to inform their treatment and they're really passionate about it. The part about the Presley-Gerber story that I thought, you know, that really kind of backed up what we were talking about was that this was an admissions problem because I did see that they fired the admissions director right after this happened and that they had broken the cardinal rule of not admitting intoxicated individuals.

And, you know, I saw some further reporting from TMZ. that they were essentially just trying, you know, that they wanted to get him into like an actual rehab facility rather than this kind of residential sober living place. But he had nowhere to go. And so they wanted to just park him somewhere overnight and then everyone kind of left him to be by himself. And who knows, he probably just walked in there, still had some drugs on him or was intoxicated from what he took before and passed away. And I think the message for the people out here listening to this is, you know, that's not a good idea to park someone there. I mean, If there's no safe place for them to be, you have to take them to an emergency room, not just some setting like that.

Yeah, I, you know, when he published, he put out that video from like six weeks ago where he was described all the different medications he was on and he was starting to manage them himself and things like, that kid seems to be in a forget, forget a merchant hospital. Does it get things kind of squared here? But, okay, I bet he had been. And I bet the insurance probably started. preventing it from coming in. Also, we have a problem in California here. I don't know if you're aware, nurses and doctors are not allowed to be near a sober living. We're not allowed to go to a sober living. And even in residential setting, there's sort of huge restrictions on what we can and can't do.

So it's just a mess here in California. It really is. How does that even make sense? I mean, because wouldn't you want those individuals there? Well, what happened was, I lived. through it. The reason I was the director of a chemical dependency program for over 20 years is there was a huge conflict back in the 80s between the sober community and the chemical dependency treatment professionals and psychiatry. Psychiatry was seen as medicating too much and this kind of thing.

And a lobby group got together and passed laws in Sacramento that closed out medical professionals from sober living. Now, what rushed in was people with six weeks of sobriety going, I want to help. I feel so much better. I want to help other addicts. And the antics ensued. And the residential setting is a little bit better. And again, my eye is like they were really trying to do some real residential treatment here.

It wasn't not a fly-by-night organization. But the other thing I saw with this kid is he was starting to call the shots of his care. And with addicts especially, that is really bad times. And I'm wondering if he really insisted on going to one place over enough. or who knows what. And this is the thing that celebrities are able to do. They can kind of manipulate caretakers who get kind of, you know, sort of are in any way adulterated.

We talked earlier about Anthony Fauci and how he was so adulterated by celebrities coming at him. That's an adulteration what you see in his diary. Well, other doctors get that way it affects how they set limits with patients. It's a problem. Yeah. I mean, and I also wonder, and I think about Michael Jackson, I think about Michael Perry, whether there's this, you know, doctors, you know, they feel this draw to the celebrities and they want to live vicariously through them. And then they feel this urge to comply with their requests.

I also saw some concerning reporting with Presley that makes me think about Matthew Perry is that he was getting a lot of ketamine towards the end. And that the people who knew him were really worried about how much ketamine he was. getting access to. And so we may end up seeing a toxicology similar to Matthew Perry's where, you know, there's some benzos in there, there's some ketamine, there's some pain pills. And so I'm going to be really interested to see what they find if they do publish it. Yeah, Matthew Perry, if you know the whole story there, but he had two physicians that sold him intravenous ketamine, that they then trained his assistant. to infuse him with IV ketamine.

And the night he died, he was in the hot tub and told his assistant, give me a big one. And he went unconscious and slid into the water. It's just unthinkable some of the things that are pure. It's just like, you're like, what? It's like a, I feel like an asteroid landed in my backyard sometimes. Same thing with the, when the Propofal thing came up with Michael Jackson, I was like, what? You need an anesthesia cart to do that. What do we talk? I've never seen, I don't know you, I've never seen propofal outside of a hospital or surgery center. It doesn't exist. But somehow the

celebrities can get it. And yes, the other thing the celebrities learn to do is to go to the doctor and say, oh, you're the only you can help me. You're the best doctor I've ever been to. Thank you. That propofal, these bad doctors won't give it to me. I just need a little bit, blah, blah, blah. And then when the doctors realize they've been sucked into something with an addict, they try to pull out. And that's when the patient goes, you're the worst doctor ever. I'm going to destroy you. I'll make sure everybody knows about it. So the addicts learn how to manipulate this stuff.

Yeah. I mean, I think it's a real risk to the doctors how they get sucked into this. Because again, with Michael Jackson, benzos. It was propophole plus benzodiazepines. That was in his toxicology as well. It's like in what world. Would you give someone propofol? And just, you know, for the listeners,

propovol is like, I mean, this is an anesthetic people use for major surgeries in hospitals, often with like ventilators nearby. I mean, this is, I mean, it's, this is insanity. And, you know, with Matthew Perry, the thing that was surprising, because I know the doctor who supplied it, you know, when he was a cent, when he went to court, he was just like, I had a lapse of judgment. He was diverting like 51 vials of kids. ketamine, like, through the back office to his house.

I mean, talk about a lapse of judgment. That's crazy. Crazy. It's all super crazy. But at its core, as you say, it's these physicians that get kind of activated by these special people and the special person tells them that they're the best. It's like, oh, this person wants to see me and wants to talk to me. It's like, oh, boy, especially with the mental health and addiction.

If you're treating them as anything other than that. than just a person with an illness, you're going to get in a big trouble quick. And it's unfortunate that we have had a lot of that over many years. I did a I did a

sort of a little docu series called for a group of questions and we did the Dr. feel good episode. We got to a guy's

swinging to politicians, performers, and you know, and you oftentimes So sorry about that, a little sidebar. What was the last thing he said? We were talking about the craziness of our peers sometimes.

And really, it's ultimately, it's just a deep lack of understanding of mental illness and addiction. And that's the part that really kind of concerns me is that, you know, so much this is the care is provided by primary care providers. And primary care, I think I explained you when we first met that when I, you know, one of the reasons I went to work to psychiatric hospital, I was always. interested in the brain. I thought I knew something. After about six months of working there, I was just like, I don't know shit. And after 20 years of working there, I have a pretty good fund of knowledge, but I still always get psychiatric consults when I'm initiating these

psychotropic medications. So where can we find you, Yosef? Yeah, so best place to find me is just my name. It's Dr. Yosef, but it's spelled in the German way, J-O-S-E-F. I'm on YouTube X and all the, so. social media platforms. Right. And thank you for the Taper Clinic. And thank you for joining us. And we'll talk, no doubt, again soon.

Okay. Talk to you saying. Thanks, Dr. Drew. You got it. Say hi to Joan. Yeah, say to Joan. Okay, we have some callers in here. That's his booker.

We had the PWP shut down the power last night in the middle of the night. And our alarm started buzzing. Yep. And that was weird. And then it came back on and I went, oh, God, what is this going to do to our equipment? So. And here we are. Now I have to call Spectrum again and see if they can, I don't know.

Honeybee, are you there? I've got you up on the phone lines. So sorry about all the glitches, everybody. Hello, Dr. Knew, I'm here. Yes, ma'am. Are you ready for my question? I sure am. Okay.

I had a sober coach sit me down and halfway through the one-on-one conversation. He made me aware that it was an intervention. And I believe in retrospect that the audio recorded our conversation. And it's since been, I believe, being used as leverage, perhaps even some off-the-record type blackmail. question is, is it protocol for a sober code to audio record a conversation like this? No, but I have read some interesting literature in the last couple of weeks, interestingly, where people are talking about, since we all have so much electronic media, whether we should record certain things with patients and then give the patient the recording.

but certainly you would never do something like that without carefully consenting the patient. Call me crazy, but that's my opinion. Besides the fact that in certain states like mine, it would also be considered wiretapping. But with no proof, it's more of an ethical, you know, it's hurtful to be completely honest. Yeah. I would say they have to tell you they're recording it. But Susan, like anything medical, not only would you have to tell them, you'd have to consent it in some sort of formal way.

Right. It seems to me. And so it just sounds, I'm sorry you're going through that. And the blackmail is, I mean, let's forget the recording. I mean, the fact that they are extorting and blackmailing, that's enough, even if they didn't have a recording. Absolutely. It's devastating. You okay?

Are you, are you, are you okay now? I've been cleaning sober for 18 years, and that's what's so bothersome about it, is that I've done a lot of work to get where I am. So, yeah. But I appreciate you taking the call. Thank you so much for your time. Of course. Of course.

But I'll tell you what, when you get right down to it, the real priority is your sobriety. And thank God you have that. So that at least is one good element. Sorry, Kyle, you're up next. Hi, Drew. Thanks for taking my call. My name's Kyle. I'm a 33-year-old.

Can you hear me? Perfect. I'm Kyle, 33-year-old healthy male. I weight lifted six days per week and then randomly developed a spontaneous spinal fluid leak around T8-9. That was diverted via CT myelogen. Yeah. I suspect that it may have been from, I suspect that it may have been from being prescribed three doses. of Cyprophloxacin, which is a, you know, I'm sure you know, but for other callers, very powerful antibiotic, and it causes weakening of connective tissue. And so I suspect that may have been the cause, but my question is, now that I have the CSF leak, I was also smart enough to not get vaccinated, being very healthy, very fit. And the doctors now want to inject me with fibrin, like a patch for the CSF leak. And I'm slightly worried because when I look up fibrin,

the most popular product is Tisil, which is developed from human plasma. And I know it contains fibrinogen and thrombin, which are from pooled plasma. And I'm just worried about the risk because obviously anyone can donate plasma and all those people. I'm sure many of them at this point are vaccinated. Now, I know that the plasma undergoes vapor heat and solvent and detergent treatment, but I'm worried about the risk of that. And this procedure only has a 30% success rate. A lot of people just end up in surgery, which I'm not sure if they use stitches for the surgery with fibrin or what, but I'd love to get your thoughts on that. I mean, the infection risk is is awfully remote.

We use a lot of plasma products, and it's carefully tested. But my real question to you is, did they try what they used to call a blood patch? So they said with my type of leak, which is a lateral leak, they typically do fibrin over the blood patch. Do they ever try the blood patch first?

No, they did not. I'm not so much worried about the risk of, infection so much as like the you know all these people that got the VACs got myocarditis. I hear you. That's more what I'm worried about. I get it. I'll be honest. There are people that I respect that are worried about that.

I'm to full disclosure. I am not. I am not. I'm unconvinced that that is a real risk. That doesn't mean there's not a risk. Okay. I'm just not convinced yet. And I know lots of people that are. So I'm not here. I'm not in any way saying, oh, don't worry about it. It's no big deal. I'm not going to say that. But I'm also not going to say, oh, yeah, that's the reason you should avoid this thing that could really help you, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the symptoms are pretty terrible. I can't do any strenuous exercise. I get a headache. Oh my God, it's awful. It's awful. I've never seen a CSF leak except from post serious injury or post spinal tap.

And this just sort of happened with you. Is this a neurosurgeon or neurologist taking care of you to making these recommendations? It's a neuro radiologist. I'm at the CSF leak clinic here in Denver, which has a pretty advanced program. Got it. Yeah, I'm just worried if I would be. And again, with the other thing that I'm worried about, love to get your thoughts on, you know, they had to do a lumbar puncture for the CT myelogram, which was able to successfully diagnose this. But I think with the procedure, it's actually scheduled for tomorrow, I think they're going

to insert the fiber in my spine as well. And that's like another hole in the dyrus. So it's like, I have this leak, which is a hole. one hole for the CT myelogram and another hole for this patch. And this patch they're telling me has a 30% success rate for my type of. That's, yeah. Plus you're putting more holes where you can get more leaks. Right.

You're putting, oh, they could do it. They could surgically repair it? They feel like they could do a surgical repair? Yeah, they said. Okay. So that's, that's good. Yeah. I am, so here's how I organize your thoughts on this.

Because you're raising really, really good questions, I want you to trust your instincts, okay, but I want you to make the ultimate decision with somebody over there who has a lot of experience with this at the CSF Lee Clinic, somebody you connect with, even if it's a nurse or somebody over there that has judgment in this area. and ask that person to help you make the call. Here's your concerns. Because your concerns are great. They're perfectly justified.

And you're right. You may end up with surgery anyway. But to me, it sounds like your instincts are sort of wanting you to go do surgery. And I would listen to those instincts, but I would make the decision with somebody who's had a lot of experience. This is the best I can do for you, Kyle, I wish I could do better because this is a weird situation. But I would make that decision with somebody who has had a lot of experience. Does that make sense? Yeah, I would agree.

I hope I can find that. I'm just worried that they're going to say COVID vaccine was safe and effective. You have nothing to worry about. That's fine. That's okay. That's okay. But that's not really why you're, that's okay if they say that. But that's not why you're coming to them.

You're coming to them to help you make a decision. You have reasonable concerns and you want them to help you make that decision. Look, again, whether or not they are concerned about the. risks you're bringing up, and whatnot. Yeah, okay, probably not a risk,

but you're bringing up with concerns. And even if it were, Kyle, even if it were just, why do I take this? I mean, a 70% failure rate. What's the failure rate of surgery?

I bet it's more like 10%. Why don't we do the surgery? I want to go back to work it out. I don't want to go through this again and again and again. That's kind of where my, that's me as a patient, not me as a doctor.

So really interesting stuff, my friend. I'm sorry you're dealing with all that. What a odd. And by the way, the fact that it's so odd, I would kind of want somebody to look at what happened there. You know what I mean? I mean, when you go in surgically, you'll see exactly what's going on. What happened?

And how do we make sure nothing like that happens again? Is that, Susan? I'm so glad he called in. I am too. He's, he to me, guys like him, doctors go a little get a little antsy around patients like how. To me,

Kyle's the perfect patient. He's doing exactly what he's supposed to do. What's that? In all the years I've known you, I've never heard of this. Oh, but a CSF leak? Sounds terrifying. Well, spontaneous CSF leak, you've never heard it because I've never heard of it. But the CSF leaks I've seen are when we do these lumbar punctures and the spinal,

the point where the needle goes in at a certain spot, and we sometimes leave a little leak there and it causes terrible headaches. And we go back in quickly, usually, and do something called a blood. blood patch. But as he pointed out, that is a posterior symmetrical injury that they can use the blood patch for. I'm not a medical person and I just threw up in my mouth. It's perfectly reasonable. It sounds horrible. It's not horrible. As horrible things go, as nuisance, bad things go, the worst thing is you can't work out with all this. As bad things go, this is not so horrible and it's solvable. And he's in the right place, which I just think is great.

I'm sorry he's having this. Okay, I'm sorry you threw up in your mouth. True. Let's see. Now, yeah. When he says that there's a leak, is that anything like similar to, remember whenever I had that issue where I had some sort of a leak due to my Crohn's disease that was making it where I couldn't even lift my leg? Is it similar?

Like, are these like internal leaks inside your body that then cause more issues? Well, no, it's your spinal column. Get a picture of the spinal column and the, you know, a cross section of the spine. spinal column with what you'll see I don't know if we can do this not be with a pointer and stuff but but you're

your spinal column is wrapped in a sheath okay it's just like your brain is your brain sits in a sack essentially and it's floating your spinal column is too and that doesn't do it and you want to see the

dura around it but but be that as it may it's not important what's important is that there is a there is a lot going on before you get to the spinal column between the bone and then the actual spinal column itself. And those that sheath can have defects in it and it then leaks. The spinal fluid just leaks tiny amounts just leak out slowly into the essentially, I mean, it doesn't really go anywhere. And it's completely sterile.

The stuff that in your case when you had that leak, that was coming out of the bowels into the into the abdominal cavity, and that causes horrible, horrible infections and abscesses and things. Oh, yeah. That's exactly. That's why I tell people, especially like Kyle as well, is like, don't be afraid of getting the surgery.

The surgery is actually what I needed. I needed it at two years and I tried kept putting it off, putting it off, putting it off, because I didn't want to get it until I was basically going to be an ambulance or else get it the next day. Yours did not have any other alternative. You did not have alternative.

But I would, by what they were in your situation, they should have, known that you had death surgery earlier. That always pissed me off on your behalf. So much pain. But, okay. Somebody mentioned hyperbaric oxygen therapy. Would that help, Kyle?

No. And you know we're both, Susan and I are fans. I like that. After a surgery, like a, you know, cosmetic surgery or whatever, it's great. No, it's more of a soft tissue. This is something weird. There's some sort of congenital defect in his,

in the sac that the spinal column is sitting in. That's what caused it. until we start leaking. And he went to, you know, working out caused that? I mean, I guess you can tear it or something, but that usually is with like a big injury, you know, a terrible traumatic injury.

I give a weight landed or something. Not even that. But again, he's in a good place where they do it. Steve Kirsch coming in. Is that next week? Yep. Alex Jones. He's dying to talk to you.

I'm hearing. Thomas Welch. Alex Jones, everybody. We're going to be in New York. We'll be brought. broadcasting from there. And then we go out further on the road to Florida and Texas. And then you're going to have Dr. Kelly in for a couple of times.

Drew's going to be a guest on her show. Yes. On the 13th and the 15th. The Dr. Kelly show. 20th Michael Gates, who's running for Attorney General and Eric pulling us back. All right. We've got a lot coming up.

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It was... Okay, Facebook wants us to address... Let's see what this is. Celebrity Killer Cocktail. Dr. Yosef mentioned Celebrity Killer Cocktail, which is benzodiazepines and opiates. You could almost argue

that the Celebrity Killer Cocktail is now also including ketamine and alcohol. But the thing that is prescribed, the Celebrity Killer Cocktail is prescribed is an opiate and a benzodiazepine. even Suboxone and Clonopin, Vicodin, oxycontin, anything with fentanyl in it, obviously. And then the Valium, Atavann, Librium, that whole category, extremely likely to cause respiratory suppression.

And people stop breathing and then they have cardiac arrest. Somebody wanted to quest for safer alternatives to that combination. the people that are doing that combination are drug addicts and the safer combination to some extent is Suboxone. The next, the ultimate is don't do opiates and don't do drugs. Go into the program, get absentent, get recovery. It's a miracle. I've seen one after the other.

It's wonderful when people find their way to the program. But if you are looking for a safer alternative to a benzodia and opiate together, there really is no such thing. Do no drugs. Don't do drugs. get off the drugs. If you can't, Suboxone is an option,

but don't be taking benzodiazepines with the Suboxone. What I thought was funny about Gurr was talking about how he was having night terrors. So his doctor prescribed him a blood pressure medicine. And I was like, why do you have to take another medicine?

You're right, but Clonidine and Intuniv work very well for night. It turns out for some people, particularly work very well for nightmares. But Clonidine is addictive. Clonidine is not. Clonopinin is. Clonidine is just a blood pressure medicine.

It's kind of powerful. And again, he was having nightmares because of all the other medications for sure. Because he was on five other things. Yeah. But the one thing I can sign off on that they did was they put him on the clonodine or the intuned every one of those. These work very, very well. See, I know nothing about these drugs. So don't ask me.

I appreciate you raising it, though. Okay. see you all. It's Monday, right? Caleb, double check for me. I think Monday at 2 o'clock Pacific time. We have shows Monday and Tuesday next week and we will see you there. That's time. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. Emily Barsh is our content producer. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis, or treatment. This show is intended for educational and informational purposes only. I am a licensed physician,

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