Ask Dr. Drew - New Reagan Movie In Theaters + The “Cult” Behind The Culture Shift w/ Penelope Ann Miller & Lisa Logan – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 408

Episode Date: October 2, 2024

“There is a CULT behind our radical culture shift and their name is THE EVOLUTIONARY LEADERS,” writes Lisa Logan. “Based upon a world religion called New Thought, they’ve gotten their Gnostic ideas into society through one of THE MOST influential & widely watched people in the media…” Get tickets to REAGAN at https://reagan.movie Penelope Ann Miller is an award-winning actress who has starred alongside Hollywood legends in acclaimed films such as “The Freshman” and “Awakenings.” She has played two iconic first ladies of the White House: Mary Todd Lincoln in the film “Saving Lincoln” and now Nancy Reagan in the new film “Reagan”. Miller received a Golden Globe nomination for her role in “Carlito’s Way” and was part of the cast of “The Artist,” which won five Academy Awards. She has worked with all three Godfathers: Marlon Brando in “The Freshman”; Robert De Niro in Penny Marshall’s “Awakenings”; and Al Pacino in director Brian de Palma’s “Carlito’s Way”, for which she received a Golden Globe nomination. Miller also earned a Tony Award nomination for her Broadway performance in “Our Town.” Follow her at https://x.com/PenelopeAMiller Lisa Logan is the host of the YouTube channel “Parents of Patriots” and author of the Substack “Education Manifesto.” As a researcher and speaker, she focuses on educational programs and their impact on First Amendment rights. Follow Lisa at https://x.com/IAmLisaLogan 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • CAPSADYN - Get pain relief with the power of capsaicin from chili peppers – without the burning! Capsadyn's proprietary formulation for joint & muscle pain contains no NSAIDs, opioids, anesthetics, or steroids. Try it for 15% off at https://drdrew.com/capsadyn • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We are very excited today to be joined by an actress everybody knows, Penelope Ann Miller. She's an award winning actress, one of the Hollywood legends who's worked with Hollywood legends when you look at her IMDb, it is extensive. And the new movie is called Reagan. Go to reagan.movie to hear, there it is. It is still in theater, Dennis Quaid obviously playing Reagan and Penelope Ann Miller

playing Nancy Reagan. I suggest you go see it, support it. They would like your support. I think you'll enjoy the film and Penelope will tell you all about it. Again, her IMDb list is extensive,

but I will tell you what, she and I have a really weird and interesting connection that I've not yet shared with her that I will open with. And then later in the show, Lisa Logan, host of Parents of Patriots, Substack Education Manifesto. She will tell us about Gnostics and their takeover. Watching her videos freaked me out a bit, I gotta say.

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herself, Penelope Ann Miller. Hi. Just Nancy. I go by. All right, Nancy for now. That'd be good enough. So tell us a little bit about the experience and what Dennis Quaid was like and what you thought. And is it from a period of history that you remember? Or did you think of fondly? I'm just so curious, you know, what you came to this film with? Well, I did grow up in the 80s, which I guess that sort of ages me. I wasn't a baby. I'm right there with you. Right there with you. So yeah, I grew up in the 80s era and the Reagans were in the White House for eight years. And I remember when he was governor, I was pretty young because I live in California. And I actually got a chance to meet him when I was very young because my parents went to some big highfalutin party with the Bloomingdales. And Betsy Bloomingdale was Nancy's best friend.

And anyway, so there's a picture of my sister dancing with Ronald Reagan, but didn't know them well. So, yes, you know, they're part of our culture. And so I came to this having heard about it through someone, an acquaintance who had mentioned that they were making this film and the director attached, Sean McNamara, was a director that I'd already worked with. So when I heard about it, someone, and this friend said, you'd be great to play Nancy. And I went, wow, well that,

that's a thought. Not, not one that I would originally think that I could do. But then I heard Dennis Quaid became attached and my agents reached out to Sean. Sean thought it was a great idea. And then I met with him and the producer and they came to our house and liked the idea, brought it up to Dennis. Dennis liked the idea. And the rest is history, as they say, about a historical power couple, Nancy and Ronnie.

Do you go through? Is it the whole sweep of their relationship or just the years in the White House? And does it include like the assassination attempt, those sorts of things? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Actually, the movie opens with the assassination attempt and then it goes back in time. So you get to know Reagan when he was a younger boy. He had an alcoholic father.

There's so much I didn't know, which was wild. And so essentially he was raised by his mother who was a woman of faith then he got into radio broadcasting then he moved to california became an actor became president of the screen actors guild uh and during that time is when he met nancy davis who was an actress as well and she well. And she had an issue with her having a few people have her same name, and it was associated with the Communist Party. And she was nervous about that, of being linked to the Communist Party. And Mervyn LeRoy, who was her producer at the time, said,

well, I know the president of Screen Actors Guild. You can meet with him, and maybe he can help you out. So she went to his office and met him. wow and then it started dating like that night um but she was already very much crushing on him she was obviously aware of him he was a pretty well-known actor at the time he'd been married um beforehand and that was a pretty bad breakup to the actress that he was married. It was kind of devastating. Yeah, Jane Wyman. Yeah.

And they had two children. Jane Wyman, yeah. Lost a child. And that traumatized him. I think that breakup really made him very, very gun-shy about getting seriously involved again. Because he felt like you only marry once. And that was sort of the faith he came from and didn't trust that he could have a marriage like the one he did with Nancy. I think it took him longer to realize that Nancy was his

gal and a soulmate because ever since then, when it finally hit and then they married, I mean, he wrote her a love note every day. So yes, to answer your question in a very long-winded way, it goes from the beginning of their relationship all the way up to when he is afflicted with Alzheimer's. So it doesn't go up to his death, but the credits, you have to stay through the credits because it's incredibly moving because that shows real-life footage. And it shows the funeral and you see Nancy.

And it's really, really moving. People at the end of the movie are bawling their eyes out. The emotional reaction that we've had on this film has been nothing I've ever experienced. Nothing. I feel like it's triggered a nerve in our country. People weren't crying at the end of Kindergarten Cop? No? No tears?

No tears? No. No, but I could... Yeah. But I can imagine. Yeah. I'm not surprised. Not only is their story quite intense and moving, but I come across all the time very intense nostalgia these days. If people are old enough for the 80s and for the slightly younger crowd, the 90s.

And because I was on TV during the 90s, I get a lot of that. Like, oh, why aren't you doing that again? I have to say to people, no, no, no, no. You don't want me to do that. You want the 90s back. You want me at age 35 doing what I was doing in the 90s. You want the whole thing back. Exactly.

I think that's what people are nostalgic about. They miss those days. Even if they're younger and they didn't know the reagan's like sort of we experienced them as a culture um people are like oh that's what we had that was what america was like and of course there was controversy then and of course there was you know people who said things targeted you know nancy and ronnie and um who nancy called ronnie but um Nancy and Ronnie, who Nancy calls Ronnie. But there were those that it was nothing like it is today. And the climate was so incredibly different. Because I remember when I was young, my parents were very liberal Democrats.

And they would go to parties with Republicans. And there wasn't such divisiveness. It didn't separate people and polarize them like it does now not at all it was a different america not at all we're much more patriotic and yeah another chapter about reagan he was a what did he do he lectured for ge or something there was before he became the screen actors yeah what was that taking a nosedive. And then General Electric asked him to be one of the spokesperson to go around the country, which is actually kind of what led him into the more political side of his life. Which Jane Wyman, by the way, his first wife, did not like him getting political at all, was so upset about this whole screen actors thing.

And the communists, you know, were trying to infiltrate then as well and the mafia and everything in Hollywood. So he was fighting that. And I think what happened was once he started meeting with people around the country, the everyday person, he realized maybe I can help and actually started seeing this

as sort of a calling in a way. Nancy would do some of the commercials with them. Their house was completely filled with everything General Electric. Didn't have any money. That was how they made their income. But I think Nancy really believed in him. You know, she was sort of that person. I mean, even Ron Jr. says, my dad would never have been president of the United States if it wasn't for my mom.

And I think because of her belief in his higher purpose or his greater purpose, that fueled him with that kind of confidence to become what he became. And he was also a Democrat for 40 years, too. She didn't change his – okay, you're a Republican now. But the party left him, I guess. But it's fascinating, actually, because the stigma of a woman being behind a man or that she was manipulative, I mean, she was called the dragon lady and all this stuff, and that she was very cold and manipulative. I didn't find that at all. I read her memoir. I read many books. I talked to her press secretary, did a ton of research.

I found that the people that worked with her really, really respected her and admired her. And didn't, you know, just, they were just so closely knit. They were such a tight couple that he, she was the one person I think that he trusted and felt that she had his back and that he could confide in. And I think that was a really important relationship. And it's the heart of the film. It's really the love story is the heart of the film. And I think that's why people care at the end as well.

Yeah. And Nancy was just such an interesting, iconic, and controversial at times, but an important figure that sometimes doesn't get her due. And I was thinking back to him with his GE presentations. My understanding is that's where he had this Lincoln-esque way of telling stories all the time and telling jokes and always had them ready to hand. And I think I was led to believe a long time ago that his presentations on behalf of GE is where he sort of crafted that. We'd have to get up and tell stories. Yeah, I'm sure acting didn't hurt either.

You know, he says to be a good president, you kind of have to be a good actor. Not that he was lying or making up things. I think he just knew he had that way. They called him the great communicator. He knew how to disarm people. He always opened things with a joke. He brought you in. And I think he seemed like an approachable. She didn't so much because I think she was so protective of him. And especially it was two months into the white house years that he got the attempted assassination so of course that was so frightening and i think she became just incredibly uh yeah

protective and wary of everyone around him um yeah he was he was very likable he was a very charming guy yeah you can see it now when you look at the footage and the jokes were kind of good too. They were funny. But Susan, you're going to love this. Susan, are you aware that Nancy Reagan was- Yeah, she loves psychics. She loves psychics. And also I remember my parents voted for him when he ran for governor. I'm over it. I have a cup. I have the vote for Reagan cup in my house. Yeah.

Oh, that's so cool. So actually- And this is like a little plastic one with a picture inside. Is it one of those? Yeah. No, it's glass. Oh, you got a fancy one. You got a fancy one.

It's a gift. But it was astrology. That was her thing. It was a gift. But it was astrology. That was her thing. It wasn't psychic. It was astrology. So she had this astrologer. And after the attempted assassination, she got heavily into astrology because I think that was her way of trying to, you know, you try and have some control of the situation. So you're thinking, don't fly at this time and don't show up at this time.

So she would go to her astrologer to ask for advice. And it drove, you know, secret services like crazy because he kept changing. And I guess he listened to her. She was like, you can't go now. You have to go later. You have to move this date to that date or whatever it was. But the interesting thing, though, is about Mary Tide Lincoln, who I also played.

You know, she had many, well, there was many assassination attempts on Lincoln, but also she lost three of her sons. You know, she had melancholy and she, you know, really went through a lot. But she had seances. And that was her way of dealing with i think her grief and dealing with all of the fear that she had and it's interesting those parallels between those two i

find um yep with that yeah i mean you could imagine right i mean and mary ended up in a psychiatric hospital frank put her in at the end there after Abraham Lincoln's assassination. And she, yeah, she very much, she dragged Abraham into a few seances too. And he just started to go along with it. But you can imagine how scary it, I mean, you're at the top of this pyramid

and there's a civil war going on or in Reagan's case, a Cold War going on, and assassination attempts. And how do you manage your fear is really what the women were doing, trying to manage this. And you're right, I think seeking some sort of control almost isn't the right word. Some sort of way of… Hoping or some sort of way of hoping or or some sort of well it's kind of like creating order in chaos you know kind of it's coping it's all those things you've said but it's like if i could just hang on to something you know i mean i'll hang on to this astrology and that will give me

sort of a structure to move forward in a way that feels a little better in this out of control situation yeah the sense of comfort a false maybe sense of comfort, but a sense of like, I know what's going to happen here. Or if I do know what's going to happen, or if I've been told, you know, that this is the way it's going to, you know, I might be able to feel rest easy a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, it's desperation.

And if it works, if it works for them, good for them. I say good. I mean, my God, the stuff they were dealing with. So, Helpy, what is the, I was trying to remember what was the first film that really broke you onto the scene. It wasn't, it wasn't, what would it be? Because I looked at your IMDb, it just goes on. You just have so, you've done so much stuff. And I felt like it, well And I felt like it didn't go

all the way back, actually. I felt like, I think I knew her, I remember seeing her when I was younger, when I was younger. What would you consider the first really big break for you? I didn't really start acting. My big break really was on Broadway. It was in Biloxi Blues, the Neil

Simon trilogy with Matthew Broderick. Matthew was becoming a big movie star for more games and then he went on to do Ferris Bueller. But that movie, I mean, doing that play on Broadway, I think opened me up to many casting directors and people thinking, oh, she's a legitimate actress. Being that I moved to New York, even though I'm from LA, a lot of people didn't even know I was from LA. But luckily I was able to do the movie of Biloxi blues. I don't know that that was my breakthrough role. Um, I, but, but it, you know,

it was Mike Nichols and I had to audition all over again and there was only three people was along with Matthew that were in the original cast. So there was that I would think, I would think maybe Kindergarten Cock cause it was such a big hit, but I think I'd done awakenings because it was such a big hit. But I think I'd done Awakenings before that and maybe The Freshman. Yeah, I'd done Awakenings and The Freshman prior to that. So it's hard to say really which one it was.

But I remember thinking, oh, I'm going to go from Brando to De Niro to Schwarzenegger. Right, wild, right? I don't know. And I remember, so my memory is by the time you got to Kindergarten Cup, I felt like I already knew you. Like, I know who Penelope Ann Miller is, you know, and I'm a fan kind of thing. And it's weird that I, that's my recollection. It may have been Biloxi Blue.

It might have been that. You know what? Maybe it was Adventures in Babysitting. Did you see that movie with elizabeth maybe yeah that was my first movie that was and i put it all together yeah it is hard for me but i want to i want to we have a stranger connection that i want to tell you about okay that goes even further back. Okay. You ready? So your dad, Mark Miller was also an actor and he was in a TV show also fashioned after a movie called Please Don't Eat the Daisies, right? Yes. Am I right so far? Okay. And I, as a kid, as a kid, I was a fan of that show. But one of the things that kept happening is my mother would go, oh, Shirley Mitchell, she was my friend. And my dad would go, oh, her husband is Dr. Frieden,

a general surgeon I work with. And I ended up meeting them both. And Julian Frieden is a legendary surgeon. His name is all over all the Cedars-Sinai buildings, at least the original ones back in Los Angeles. But weird that I knew and met Shirley Mitchell and Julian Frieden and my parents were friends of theirs. Isn't that weird?

Wow, that's wild. Isn't that a connection? Very. Because she was, oh, that's my mom. So my mother was an actress too. And put Shirley Mitchell up there. Well, she's my mom. So my mother was an actress too. Put Shirley Mitchell up there. Well, she was quite some.

I don't know how she knew Shirley because she was also a woman of many, she was also a woman of many, many secrets. And so I don't know how she knew Shirley. What's that? Shirley Mitchell, right? What's Shirley's name? Isn't that her name?

Shirley Mitchell? Am Shirley Mitchell, right? What's Shirley's name? Isn't that her name? Shirley Mitchell? Am I getting that right? Shirley Mitchell. That's lovely. The neighbor in Please Don't Eat the Daisies? I don't remember the neighbor's name. Do you remember her? I remember they were Ted and something Nash.

But their neighbors were funny. And they remember one of them always came through the window. One of the neighbors. Something like that. Yes. I'm looking at her yeah i but that's wild like a helene stanton no no he put it up he put his mother he put it up there you can see her whole bio she was she was married to the first oh my lights just went out oh it's a it's ghost. She doesn't want us to say this, but she was married to the first

silent film star. No, one of the early Western silent film stars. This is Shirley. Yeah, there's Shirley. Shirley Mitchell. Wow. Yeah, that's Shirley. And later, many, much later, later, later years. What happened to Shirley Mitchell?

Anyway, this is odd. We're going down a weird path here. or later years. What happened to Shirley Michels? Anyway, this is odd. We're going down a weird path here. We'll leave it at that. Let's go back to the film and back to the Reagans because I have a similar sort of funny and nostalgic feeling

about the 80s to what I'm encountering so many people talking about the 90s with that feeling these days. But I definitely have it about the 80s to what I'm encountering so many people talking about the 90s with that feeling these days. But I definitely have it about the 80s. And I'm always, I remember, one of the things people forget about Ronald Reagan is that he was a very controversial figure

when he came to the presidency. I remember people really not liking him and people forget that. Is that portrayed in the film? I remember people really not liking him and people forget that. Is that portrayed in the film? Not so much. I think I lost Penelope's sound. Hang on a sec.

I lost your sound. Is that at your end or Caleb? Is that at yours? She's still here. I can still hear you, Penelope. My mother's working her evil ways. Oh, yeah. Drew, can you hear us now? He's going through the system.

He'll get you hooked back up again. Hold on a sec. I can can you hear us now? He's going through the system. He'll get you hooked back up again. Hold on. I can hear you all. I can hear you guys really well. General surgeon in Los Angeles for years. That was Shirley's husband. That's sort of my connection with those people. Hi, Drew, can you hear us now?

I remember them. I hear you, Penelope. I still don't have Penelope. Yeah, I hear you, Penelope. You're fine. Caleb, is there anything you need us to do with this? Something might be disconnected on Drew's side. It is definitely ghosts, for sure.

It's confirmed. It is ghosts. Or it's Frieden. And maybe, no, Dr. Frieden. I don't know if, Caleb, if they can hear Penelope, I can always let her talk. I can't hear Caleb. No, I can't hear that either. I'm talking.

He's texting us. Let's see what he wants us to do. Give us one second. Do we have to restart something? I think talking about this We hear you, we see you, we can hear you. Penelope, we can't hear you. We just can't hear anything at that end. I'm going to go ahead. Actually, Penelope, what I'll do while I have this lined up,

I'm going to play a clip from the show and we'll promote it with that we'll be right back in just a second are you listening to this we are the greatest country in the world and we have just forgotten it like I didn't see this coming it's okay to say it, Ronnie.

Okay, I'll say it. I want to run again. What do you think about that? If I can do it all again. The public scrutiny, the attacks on your character, all the lies. But mainly, I want you to be happy. Well, you already made me the happiest man in the world. I've had to share you my whole life.

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You guys do such a great job of bringing those two back to life. It really is a little bit kind of chokes me up a little bit to watch it. Yeah, it's had that effect on people and I can't wait for you to see it. Hopefully you'll see it while it's still in the theaters because that's the best way to see it and also seeing it with an audience, seeing their reaction and seeing how emotional people get. We've gotten, you know, spontaneous applause at the end of the movie that we're not even that. I hear it all the time and I just, you know, we have a 98% audience approval and we have a cinema score of A.

And we're doing really well considering it's a smaller independent film and doesn't have the big studios behind it. But I think the word of mouth has been pretty amazing. So people like you and your audience that go out and support it and talk about it, that's what we need to keep us up there. And I just think it's a human story. It's about history, but it's character-driven and it's different than other movies out there. So I think it really has something. And I think it brings people back to a time that they wish they were in and hopefully inspires them. It gives us maybe some hope, which we need right now. Yeah, I agree.

And I remember coming out of the 70s, that was not exactly a hopeful time either. And I just recently met the guy, he does now the Uncommon Knowledge podcast, that wrote the speech where Reagan says, Mr. Gorbachev, take down this wall. And he was telling me how the staffers didn't want him to have that speech. They wanted him to say those words in particular. That's in the movie, by the way. Reagan insisted upon it. He insisted upon that. I heard some story about him having kind of stolen a manuscript,

so he had the original in hand that included that quote. I don't know if that's apocryphal or not, but he really felt strongly about saying that and how wild that that became, you know, one of these iconic moments in history. Absolutely. Yeah. Everybody kind of remembers, you know, Gorbachev tear down this wall. And that was an incredible time in our history. And just ending the Cold War was a big deal. And, you know, the ending of wars. And he said, you know, it's peace through strength. And I'm going to, you know, fight, but no one's going to get hurt. I'm not going to, you know, it's not going to's gonna get hurt i'm not gonna you know it's not gonna be

it's a better quote than that but he said uh yeah he was about that and and i think uh you know we also need that right now too um well it's it's it's funny though i'm remembering now as i think about this that right when he came when he he was elected, if you recall, people were so convinced that he was a warmonger and that he was going to cause a nuclear exchange. That we all had to, the country, something like 50 million people sat down and watched a movie called The Morning After or The Day After with Jason Robards. You remember that film? About a nuclear exchange. And we all were like, we got to get ready because Reagan's going to cause a nuclear war. And even in the film, literally the day after, they have an actor

pretending to be Reagan, his voice, sort of a voice actor, talking to the people that survived very coldly, like, well, we had to do this and we knew it would happen. And, you know, we got to rebuild now with the people that survived. It's no big deal or something like that. Something super crazy. And we all sat and watched that damn film. And you see what the propaganda could do to us, is my point.

It was good birth control. And it wasn't as propagandistic then as it is today. So be careful, everybody. Consume your media wisely. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of fear. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. Richard Rodriguez on ReStreet said, didn't he coin the phrase, make America great again?

Reagan? I don't think so. I think I saw that. What? Really? He says, yeah, we will make America great. There was even little pins and not a hat like Trump had, but he did coin that phrase. That was Reagan.

Interesting. I know, right? I remember he talked about bringing America back sort of thing, but he was really talking about the economy, it seemed like to me at the time. Yeah. And let's also not forget that he had to do crazy things with the rates, with the treasury rates and things. They had to go up with like 18% and just squash what had been 10 years of terrible inflation. There's a lot going on back then.

We forget. We forget. It was a lot. And I think people kind of made fun and didn't take him seriously because he was an actor. And even though he'd been governor, I just think they were nervous about that, about whether or not he was up to the task. But I think, you know, he was elected twice. So there was a, I guess, reason for people wanting him, wanting him to stick around, even though at that time, you know,

he was in his seventies and that was considered old. So, you know, but yeah, it was, you know, I, look, I think the film really has something for everyone. It doesn't matter what political persuasion you are. I think whether you're both sides of the aisle in between, I really do. I have so many friends on both sides, and I feel like they love the movie. And I feel like when people go to the movie, I think it really has a great effect on it. And I think it's a combination of the nostalgia or what could have been or what once was that can be.

And also the love story. I think people love seeing the human side of these people who are these iconic, well-known people that nobody knew what was behind the scenes. I think seeing the relationships is also really interesting. And his past, like I said, I mean, wondering what maybe having an alcoholic father, and you probably would be able to analyze this best, but how did that propel him forward? Why did he think that he had something to do or he had to take care of people or, you know what I mean?

And then that just grew from there. Yeah, I mean mean having a traumatic childhood sort of kind of goes one way or the other and obviously his went in a more positive direction in terms of what he was able to do for others who knows what he suffered as a result but listen penelope i appreciate you being here uh other than going to this film and watching it in the theaters any place else we should look for you coming up soon? I have a couple independent movies that we're waiting on getting released. So I don't know the dates yet. And then I have a couple projects that I'm waiting to start, but they kept getting pushed around. It's a crazy time in our world, obviously, but also in this business. And obviously a lot going down in this business, as we've heard.

But, you know, I'm hopeful that there are some great projects that I'm attached to that will get made. And hopefully the films that I have done will come out. So nothing specific to name at this juncture, but maybe next time I'll come on and be able to promote something else. I would love that very much. That would be terrific. Susan, anything you were trying to say something there? No? Okay. Penelope Ann Miller,

everybody, follow her on Penelope A. Miller on X. Go to reagan.movie. Go see the film. Support these guys. Dennis Quaid is another great guy, and support him as well, and you can see why people are having such a tremendous reaction to this film. I'm not surprised at all.

Just watching that couple minutes there really kind of lets you into the intensity of what those lives were and what they went through. And it's a piece of our history as a people. Yeah, it is. It's a piece of our history, and hopefully it's entertaining too. And it was very challenging for both Dennis and I. Dennis does an amazing job playing Reagan, and people just say they can't see the difference after a while. They just fall into it.

And it was pretty daunting for me to play Nancy, of course, but I hope people are responding really well, and I appreciate you having me on on and thank you so much. Oh, and I'm Penelope Ann Miller on Instagram too. Oh, great. Okay. Go follow her there. Follow her all these places and we will hopefully talk to you again soon.

All right, Dr. Drew. Lovely to meet you. I really appreciate it. You as well. Okay, bye. Thank you so much. Thank you. Bye now.

All right. We're going to switch gears a little bit and we're going to talk to Lisa Logan. Let me get you some of the particulars about Lisa. You can follow her on X as I am Lisa Logan. Also, Parents of Patriots YouTube channel.

Before I bring Lisa in, well, let's bring Lisa in. I do want to go over upcoming guests. We've got a pretty exciting lineup still, but Lisa's part of that. So it's great, Lisa. Welcome. Thank you so much for having me. So talk to me, I almost don't know where to start. Talk to me about two things, your YouTube channel and what people can expect to find there, and what you're talking about with the Gnostic Takeover.

Yeah, well, I started my YouTube channel because as I started studying this program that was being put in school, social emotional learning, and the funding behind it and the ideology behind it, I realized that not a lot of parents understood because of the fact that they use such kind of nice language like why why would you want to be against keeping kids social and emotional skills right I feel like I needed to break it down and there needed to be a place where parents could go and understand that their children were being indoctrinated into critical theory at that school. And, you know, that's where I started, Dr. Drew. But, you know, it just kind of became more and more horrific. Well, Lisa, in one of—uh-oh, did I lose you again? But when we get your sound back so I can hear you,

the connection of who is behind all this. I watched a lengthy video that you put out where you were connecting a lot of dots with some organizations that were gravely, gravely concerning

and had little or nothing to do with education necessarily. But we're certainly part of this sort of general, massive, I think it's something you've characterized as Gnostic takeover. But hang on here one second. Let's see if we can get you back up. Can you hear us now, Drew?

I hear you. Okay. Yeah. Someone must have tripped on the cable. I can hear you. Can you hear me? Okay. Perfect.

Yep. So I know you've got a lot to say on what I said up there, so have at it. Right. Well, at first, if the fact that they weren't teaching kids critical theories like critical race theory and critical theory at school wasn't bad enough, what I discovered was even more horrific. And I believe you're referring to my evolutionary leaders video. And really, this is the cult behind the culture shifts and it they are pushing a particularly particular ideology at school in business and government um they have 21 synergy circles they've literally infiltrated every sector uh every culture producing sector of our society to push this very Gnostic,

one world, all is one, what I call a cosmological monism worldview. So this whole idea that maybe we all originated from the same points in space, and if we all came from the same Sardis, then we have to care about what happens to people on the other side of the world to the point where we have to give up our national sovereignty or individual rights and freedoms. And this is the same group that's behind the Summit of the Futures outcome document, the Pact for the Future, that just came out this last weekend. And yeah, this is the United Nations thing, right? Which I've read, it is ridiculously, extensively comprehensive and is setting goals for itself that are literally, I don't want to say nonsensical because they make sense.

They just are not connected to reality. Like we're going to get rid of world poverty, period, end of story. Okay, done and done. And while we do that, we will solve the climate problem. And while we do that, we're going to end disease.

It's like, oh my God, what is this? It's some sort of fantasy program. But what's clear, and this is the part I kind of want to talk to you about, is that there's this overwhelming enthusiasm for centralized planning and centralized authority. our major problem, which is people that want to take care of their immediate surroundings, their family, their community, their economic circumstances, and people who will have none of that, who want to be in control of every aspect of your life because they know better. It is such a bizarre and difficult for me to understand impulse. All you have to do is

study history for five minutes and you see the outcome of centralized authority, wherever it has occurred throughout the human experience. And this time it will be different is not an acceptable phrase. So how do we combat this? I think we have to point out what this is. You know, the reason it's nonsensical, Dr. Ju, is because this is a cult. I mean, I don't know of any cult I can look at in history that have kind of made sense. I mean, you look at Jonestown, those people believed so much in what they were doing that they drank poison kool-aid and died i i and that's really the only thing i can say is that why people don't understand what this woke mind virus really is right what elon terms is the woke mind virus is it's religious they literally believe that if we

don't uh all come to this global consciousness um of what this reality they feel is that we're all interconnected and interdependent that we're literally going to not evolve as a species and that our species is going to die out so when you think about the fanaticism behind this it then makes sense right they they need to control everybody they need to get everybody to this sense of global consciousness, this whole idea that all is one and that we all need to give up whatever we have to benefit someone else. And they need that

in order to help our civilization survive. And so this is why this is happening at scale, especially with the United Nations. But Lisa, I can even sign up for the, we're all interconnected. There is a, even give me a global consciousness, if you will. That doesn't mean I think the best way to serve the needs of that interconnected humanity is to

put some people in charge of everybody or to put a bureaucracy of all things in place, a gigantic bureaucracy. This is utopianism. This is jacobinism. This has been around for a long time, and it always goes bad. Have we not learned? Did you not learn during COVID that give people some authority, they will take it and they will abuse it. Not every state did, not every country did, but a lot of them ran to do so. And God help you if you ran afoul of their plans. This is not good. Do you have a way? I mean, I imagine, Lisa, it's easy for you to communicate with, persuade your enthusiastic fans. But how do you address people who think this is a good idea all of a sudden? Do you say, read your Russian history?

Do you read your Chinese history? Read your French history? I just read any history about anywhere in humanity where this has happened. It's so vivid for me, I have to tell you. It's so vivid for me because it is the way medicine has been adulterated too. The best, the most effective unit in medicine is a well-trained, caring physician and an informed, motivated patient. That is your best unit. Nothing is more efficient than that. Nothing is better than that. Nothing makes more efficient than that. Nothing is better than that. Nothing makes better outcomes than that. Nothing's better than that for everybody. Nothing's less

expensive than that. And yet they insist on intruding into it and putting all these systems upon it. And we see what happens. Look at this country. We're spending more money than anyone on earth and we have less good health. have worse health than anywhere on earth do you want that in our political realm is all and you want to have no options where you can't go anywhere in the globe without being consumed by this centralized phenomenon it's just too much for me it's so obviously hideous yeah well and i think that you really hit the nail on the head there i think the reason that people don't see this centralization of power is named us because they don't understand what the motivations behind the united nations are and then how that differs very very much so

from what our founding fathers envisioned with our U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. You know, and so people need to understand their history and what that means for them, because our Constitution says that our rights come from God. And really, you know, when our nation started, we were a pluralistic nation. We had a bunch of beliefs about, you know, religion and what our purpose in life was and meaning and all of that. And how do you then have a culture survive where you're not at war? You help those people feel represented in government and know that that government document that you put in place protects their rights to freedom of religion, whether that be in public or in private. And then their representatives say, hey, government, you can't imprint on these rights. Whereas the United Nations, they believe they are God. You don't have any rights that don't go along with their United

Nations Sustainable Development Goals. They even say that in their declaration um on human rights is that basically your rights come null and void if it uh if it affects the whole and so obviously nothing you're ever going to do is not going to affect somebody in some way shape or form and they can use that lever as a way to put in their totalitarian control how do we get people to understand what's going on other than obviously the material you're putting out? And are there other solutions? Is the spiritual vacuum the problem here? Is this on some level a good versus bad struggle?

Do people understand it on that level? Would that reach them more effectively? I mean, what do people need to do? I think first they need to understand that even though it looks like a political problem, it is really a religious problem, that we have a religion that's been basically instituted as a state-sanctioned religion. If you probably watched my video on the evolutionary leaders, you know that these people were heavily promoted for decades on Oprah's show. So this ideology was never, you know, the millions of housewives were watching her show every day was never presented as, hey, guess what?

This is new thought ideology that we're just pushing onto you as fact. And so all of these people bought into this mindset. And now all of a sudden you have all these people with their 21 synergy circles affecting how business does business based on stateholder capitalism. You have communism being pushed upon our society. You have open borders. You have all of it. It's behind the who's one health agenda. Again, if you believe that your rights aren't any better than the insects or the biospheres or whatever, they're going to say, well, yeah, that means you need to sacrifice. You need to give up your fossil fuels. You need to do all these things for the common good. And so I think if people understand that it's literally the ideology behind everything and educate themselves on what that is, hopefully they'll see that, hey, we need to hold on to our national sovereignty. How do we do that? We pull the U.S. out of the U.N. It's really what the solution is.

They are not the peaceful and good-meaning organization that a lot of people think they are. Are you surprised that you've ended in this place? Is this really not where you imagined you'd be at this point in your life? 100%, Dr. Drew, but it's funny. And I say this, I actually belonged to a cult for seven years of my life, from about the time I was 16 to 23. So when I came across this program, my alarm bells were going off. And I never expected, and I kind of, you know, my past in a cult was something that I kind of never really dealt with very much.

I kind of left it behind me and now with this this me discovering this cult I was like no wonder you know like my experience in what I you know lived through my own life and watching what it means to be brainwashed and the methodology that's used and the techniques and the mindset I recognized this right away for what it was um and yes I did not expect to find a cult at the bottom of this rabbit hole, but here I am. And I've just been trying to sound the alarm bell because I think people need to understand what they're seeing in society right now is not just about culture. This is literally a religion being forced upon them. Can you sort of lay bare or bring to consciousness for people some of the brainwashing techniques that you're seeing? Yes, well, I'll start with the program

that I exposed in schools, which is called social emotional learning. And one of the things that cults do is they kind of put you in a vulnerable position. The cult that I belong to, the International Church of Christ, they do a thing called a sin study. And you basically have to confess all of the terrible things that you've done to people you may have only known for a few months once they've studied the Bible with you.

And so that puts you in a very vulnerable position. And they say, you know how you can be redeemed? You know how you can redeem yourself? You can become a part of our church and evangelize and tell people, more people than you to come to this cult. And they do a similar thing with social emotional learning where they have these circle times at the very beginning of their session with social emotional learning. And I remember a mom of a horse bear came to me and told me her kid's story that there was a group next to her child's group. You know, they started with an opening question, like, what makes you sad? You know, that could be a whole can of worms, right,

depending on, you know, how the kid answers it. It could be like, well, I'm sad when Susie's mad at me on the playground, and she treats me badly, too. You know, I had a fish die. I had a grandparent die. This kid opened up with, my parents are separated, and now my mom's drinking and seeing other people. Now, as you know, doctors, vulnerability breeds vulnerability. And by the end of this circle time, these kids were sharing very, very vulnerable things. All of them were in tears. They were completely disordered. And then now circle time was over, and the teacher didn't know what to do. You know, she's a math teacher because you can literally teach social emotional learning in every class.

And she's not a trained psychologist. She said something like, well, I'm sorry, Jimmy, you're going through that. But, you know, we have to get back to math. And this kid now for the rest of the day is not going to be able to learn. Right. the rest of the day is not going to be able to learn right and but it primes children to put them in a mindset to be indoctrinated with other ideologies like critical theory um race theory critical queer theory anything you know that helps them feel a sense of belonging now to the group right now now they've bought they've trauma bonded with our group now you can introduce all sorts of

things to the children and so really that that is a cult strategy right there. And then obviously in these, a lot of these things and in the program that I exposed are teaching them that, you know, Oh, you know, other generations don't understand what you're going through. They don't, they don't, they don't get, you know, maybe the struggles and they show like a BLM march, um, in the video, you'll get some of the struggles and how you're feeling about what's going on around you. They show a prayer vigil for a school shooting. But they're saying, but you can solve all these problems through social emotional learning. So again, they're dividing the line between your parents, which is actually the thing that makes kids feel the most stable, right? Their

cultural and familial beliefs and what they grow up in and their sense of belonging with their families. And now they're trying to create division in that line there. And so you see, you know, that can be very disordering for children. That can create a mental health crisis. So I often wonder, you know, this mental health crisis that they're solving with social emotional learning, was it caused by social emotional life and a lot of these programs that are creating that

division for their kids and you you talked about 21 synergy circles what is that so that that the evolutionary leaders that cult i just told you about um they have little subcommittees um that they've sent out into the un into business um I can tell you the World Business Academy is part of this. I can tell you there's an education one that I've exposed. They're trying to put now spirituality in social emotional learning. Well, wouldn't you know it, one of those guys who's behind the question project who's a part of that is an evolutionary leader. So I'm just seeing the same slime under every rock,

and it all leads back to this cult and is there uh sort of a primary funding of the of this cult or some you know the cults usually have a charismatic leader is there something like that going on here well one of the most well-known um you know doctors who've been on uh oprah dr Deepak Chopra is one of the leaders. We had Barbara Marks Hubbard, who was a part of the evolutionary leaders. She ran and got to speak at the convention, I think in the 80s. She was a vice presidential candidate. We have Marian Williamson, who just ran for president for a second time. These are not fringe people, and I think that's the difference. You know, we talk about cults, you know, the Branch Davidians and all these other people,

and they were considered fringe by our society. This one's been mainstreamed. This one's been normalized. Their ideas have infiltrated our culture, and many people have no clue that it's even happening is is it possible it is just cult esque in the sense that these propagandistic techniques are effective uh they happen to kind of because they're not mental health people they fell into these techniques their well-meaning fell into them and are using them to their advantage for these, again, cultural philosophical positions that they maintain, that this thing sort of spontaneously evolved, that it's not some sort of cultish mastermind.

And I've noticed that about cults sometimes too. People that form cults sometimes do so with great intent and they intend to do something good, and then their own human shortcomings fall into the end of the story and off they go into these terrible directions could it be something like that i think the teachers implementing these programs in schools many of them have no clue what they're doing um they're just told you know from a top-down perspective hey you need to teach this um it's in law that we need to teach it. But very much, if you look back at sensitivity training, the military was doing this. And in fact, I found a 1974 document, I'm going to guess it's 74, it might be 76, where this psychologist

at the CIA said, we should not be doing this to our military members. The sensitivity training is likened to brainwashing in China's Mao's reign during the Cultural Revolution. Like they literally- You know what's interesting? This has been around for a while. I, in seventh grade, was subjected to sensitivity training by a local group of psychologists and clergy. And this one clergy that led the whole thing

ended up getting a little trouble for sleeping with some of his uh female uh flock uh shocking but uh that's always where these cult leaders go um and it isn't that interesting that this this phenomenon this idea has been flying around for quite some time? Yeah, Tavistock, the Institute for Social Research. I mean, this has been happening for quite a long time. And if you go all the way back, there is an actual New Age conspiracy. They've written about it in many books. You can read about it in Networking by Jessica Lipnack. They were working with people

at NASA to connect across countries and states to figure out how to push this new age, which is really new thought and theosophical, really, if you want to go all the way back to the Eastern religions, to push this worldview upon the world. So I'm going to ask you one more time and i i feel like i need some actionable or simple sort of frame uh what does the average person do i think first off we we pressure our government to get out of the un um but i think from a from a personal point of view um i that sounds like a really big task right um It's kind of overwhelming. And I tell people all the time, and actually it's interesting, you had Penelope on talking about Reagan. And almost every single one of my presentations, I get asked to speak across the

country with that quote from Reagan that says, freedom is no more than one generation away from extinction, and that we need to train our youth. Otherwise, you know, we're going to tell our kids one day that, you know, what it once was like to be in a nation that's free. And I'm paraphrasing a little bit there, but I think it starts at home. It starts with understanding how this whole ideology works and then kind of inoculating your children against it. You know, this whole collectivist mindset, you have to teach them that their freedom, their rights, that does not mean they're responsible to the whole rest of the world. And they should not have to give up their rights and freedoms for someone else to feel good.

And I think that teaching your kids to have that dividing line, it starts there. It starts at the dinner table. Lisa, thank you so much for being here. Parents of Patriots is the YouTube channel. I am Lisa Logan on X. Anywhere else you'd like people to go? Just my

Substack Education Manifesto. Yeah, I think you cover the rest. All right. Thanks, Lisa. Appreciate you being here. Thank you for your work. Thank you so much for having me. Thanks, Lisa. Appreciate you being here. Thank you for your work. Thank you so much for having me. You got it. Interesting show today. Coming up, Susan's show tomorrow. I'm doing Gutfeld tomorrow, so I will not be in. Susan, you want to talk about that? I'm going to talk to dead mobsters. So we have two psychics and two guests who

are affiliated with the mob. Interesting. People that we've seen on TV. Maybe. Maybe. Television stars coming in. For me, look up at the calendar there. Oh, also, it's at 12 o'clock Pacific, 3 p.m. East, or two, no, 11 o'clock Pacific, 2 p.m. Eastern, an early time. So it's a weird time. She's early and extra early. On the 8th, I'm seeing we have Sasha Latipova and Emily Kaplan, which could be a great combo. Sasha, as you know, is a brilliant scientist and had run industrial pharmaceutical factories, essentially.

Emily is a great thinker, broken science. I hope I'm getting that right. I always get the name wrong is the name of her organization. Then the next day, Alex Jones is going to stop by here. Robert Malone on the 10th. He's going to be a very interesting week. Chef Gruel coming by with the raw egg nationalist. And then Dr. Scott Atlas coming in on the 16th. So there's a ton coming up.

Emily Barsh is working hard on the schedule. Caleb, sorry about two days technical stuff. You know what it is? It's a, we have a, we have a, because we need to get a regular computer, not a laptop. That's our biggest problem. Yeah. And so we have to have these adapters

to get everything hooked into the laptop. And the, all the cords are kind of loose. That's what it looked like. And so the slightest. It looked like from a technical perspective someone bumped it so no bumping because we were just sitting here like we always do but what came up my screen was you know parsec disconnected or cord disconnected i was like oh and we were just sitting here and um so it we need to have a regular computer it seems to to me, or do something about that adapter. So, Caleb, anything on your front? Nope.

I'm excited for your event next week when you're coming down to my town over in Alabama. And by then, my voice will be back. So anyone who's hearing the show for the first time today, this is not how I normally sound. So I will be in Alabama. We're going to Mobile. And it just so happens I'm giving a talk in Daphne, Alabama. So anybody in that region, please come see us.

And Caleb lives right next door. So we're going to spend the day. Yeah, but what is the, where, where do we go? If they want to come see you. Daphne Civic Center. Honestly, I haven't promoted the event yet because I don't, I know it's open to the public, but I don't know if they sold out tickets already or not because they only had, I think, 400 or 500 tickets.

But we can still tell them. So it's at 7 p.m. at the Daphne Civic Center on Tuesday of next week. If you're in Alabama, look it up online. Dr. Drew in Mobile or wherever, Daphne. Wait, I thought, let's do it. Now let's look it up. We're going to have to post it somewhere, right? I didn't know we were supposed to do that.

Nobody gave me any. Yeah, I don't know if we're supposed to promote it. Because I think it's most. Here we go. It's the Baldwin County Drug Court. It's a fundraiser in Daphne, so it'd be expected to step up. We're gonna be supporting a number

of different causes there locally. Of course, they have an opioid problem, fentanyl problem, the same problem that every community has. Yeah. But they've been very proactive there in Baldwin County and

inviting people to come in and speak on this issue. Drug overdoses in Baldwin County, a leading cause of unnatural death. And Fentanyl Prevention Awareness Day was in August. More than 200 people die every day of overdose related to synthetic opioids. So there it is. Yeah, we're looking at the Gulf Coast media.

You can show up and be a part of it if you want. If you're down in Southern Alabama, we will be there and look forward to meeting everybody. We appreciate you. Yeah, thank you, Amen Pass. The laptop is difficult to work with. We were on the road. I know. I think it's time to get a PC in New York.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's time. I completely agree. Caleb had recommended that yesterday. Find one for me and ship it, Caleb. And then also I'm going to turn this guy off and let him rest overnight. The laptop. Okay, so be in here

at 11 o'clock tomorrow or 2 o'clock Eastern for Susan's show with a couple. Can we say who they're from? Yeah, you can. Mob Wives. The Mob Wives. We'll tell you exactly who yet, but it'll be a lot of fun. And I'm looking forward to it. You should too. And then we are away while we're traveling to Alabama and whatnot.

I think that following Thursday, we're not going to do because Caleb has to get a new pediatrician. And we will start up again. Wait. And, you know, we do have a show that day. I have Shane Cashman coming in. He's going to meet two psychics. That should be fun. I don't know if anybody's a fan of his.

That is Susan's show next. I'm sorry. So it's me, me, me. That is October 3rd. Yes. And then I'll be back on the 8th for our usual schedule. Maybe I'll bring Drew on too. He can get a psychic reading and talk to his mother who turned off the lights in the computer.

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