Ask Dr. Drew - NEW Study: "Serious Adverse Events" After mRNA Vaccination Of "Special Interest" - Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 125

Episode Date: September 18, 2022

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Taking your calls. Tomorrow we have a very interesting day with Dr. Harvey Reich and Dr. Kelly Victory back. Interesting article has been published. It's a controversial article. It was published in a reasonable journal, but it has somewhat of a firebrand as one of his lead authors. I'll talk about it a little bit. We have a response to the article. I knew there had been some sort of scathing responses to it because it was a somewhat convoluted article, but it was not a bad article. It was an analysis, and I think it warrants examination. And it seemed to have a signal. I'm not sure we can rely on the accuracy of the signal. And Dr. Gorski on September 5th wrote a very long response to analysis of this study. And his analysis is actually quite good as well. So I'm on the fence on this one. I'm

trying to figure it out. I haven't finished his analysis yet, but it's pretty clear as compared to the article being a little bit foggy. So let's get to that and your questions after this. Our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time.

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So, let me just first address Dr. Gorski's analysis, which is really good. The analysis is good. He editorializes a lot during it, and that kind of, it worries me that that's affecting his analysis. You know, when you constantly, he has been unfairly attacked by the anti-vaccine community, and so he's very sensitive to this stuff, and I don't blame him. But he says things like, this paper is nothing less than anti-vaccine community. And so he's very sensitive to this stuff. And I don't blame him. But he says things like, this paper is nothing less than anti-vax misinformation disguised as reanalysis of the original Pfizer and Moderna trials. Now, as you remember, Naomi Wolf also was looking at some of that data, and she had some concerns about it as well. Again, I'm trying to

reserve judgment on all of this. I'd like to see some unmotivated sort of analysis of these things. It looked like, let me give you Dr. Victory's analysis, which was kind of interesting. If you give me a second, I'll pull it up. She felt what she was saying. Now, you know, Dr. Victory, you know, gets, gets believed some of the things we see in these articles, uh, study some of the material. Yeah. 4.3 serious adverse. Yeah. 4.3 serious adverse events for every hospitalization avoided. So that was her. And I, and I did see that kind of data in there. Again, it was obfuscated a little bit. So for every four serious adverse events, and they define serious adverse events as hospitalization,

death, or disability. So serious. And it was primarily, again, in the younger population. So I want to get clear that in this article that was published, and I think it's, or in general, was called Vaccine. And now, of course, I don't have the article up. Way to go, being prepared for that. I was busy with Dr. Gorski's article and I think you put it up there Caleb before, there it is serious adverse events of special, yeah vaccine was the journal

and it was interesting, again it was a good idea, this is what peer review is about and this is what re-examination is about, but it reinforced my notion at very minimum, it reinforced directionally, it reinforced my notion, at very minimum, it reinforced, directionally, it reinforced my notion that the savings in terms of hospitalizations saved or serious adverse events saved from COVID versus serious adverse events from the vaccine, clearly beneficial over

the age of 65. I keep saying this, and as time goes on, I get clearer and clearer about it, particularly over the age of 75. And I've given it out to now hundreds of patients in that age group. They've all been boosted. They're all going to get their Omicron next month. They have tolerated it well. I've not seen a single adverse event. And they have had milder COVID. They've all pretty much got COVID at one time or another. Some of them took Paxlovid. Some of them had rebound from the Paxlovid. But for the most part, this is a population I deal with a lot of elderly, chronically ill patients. This is a population that were done poorly with COVID, even Omicron, prior to these therapeutics and vaccines. And the savings

of serious adverse consequence of the infection clearly is outweighed by the serious adverse events of the vaccine. The whole controversy, it seems to me, is under the age of 40, really, and maybe even under the age of 30, and maybe even under the age of 25, that young, and particularly males, and particularly the Moderna vaccine, we're seeing some signals that are of concern. Now, I know Dr. Victory, and we also heard this from Dr. Malone, that they're worried that somehow this is affecting the immune system, and people are having more cancers or infections or something. I will totally reserve judgment on that. I'm not saying it's not happening.

But, you know, when you've vaccinated a billion people, it's hard to tease out that kind of data. Now, Alex Berenson has been very excited about the excess deaths that have been around lately. I can easily understand those in terms of lockdown. I mean, the delay in treatment, the mental health consequences, I don't know. I know some people are looking at seasonality and things like that. There are excess deaths. Now there is a correlation between massive mRNA distribution

and these excess deaths. Maybe that's because they have an older population, maybe they're more at risk there. I don't know. There needs to be a lot more analysis of all this before we all start really freaking out about it. I though, if I were treating a 25-year-old or a 17-year-old male and they asked me about the vaccine, that'd be a hard decision to make. I would have to make it with the patient and with the parents, and we'd have to go over all these issues that are being kind of sorted out. I don't think Dr. Gorski attacking the article makes the issue any less pertinent. We had the circulation article where there was five times

more myocarditis. So there's a signal out there. The question is at what risk versus what benefit this article attempted to answer that question and it didn't look good uh let's see andrew ashkos really asked i'd be a five a month ago how long am i protected the cdc says three months they want you to get your vaccine three months later my experience has been at least six months, unless you've had Paxlovid. If you had Paxlovid for the BA5, then it's more like six weeks, which is what I've seen. Now, that's not in the science yet. It's what I've seen clinically. So that's it. So you are probably good for six months. They suggest you get it at three months. But if you see what the CDC is doing, they are streamlining and rounding up on all of their recommendations, right? They've said now on the

record, when Dr. Offit said young males maybe shouldn't get the Omicron booster, they were asked about it. Dr. Walensky said, well, we're just going to stick with 12 and above to simplify our messaging. That is pretty crazy that she said that into a microphone, but she's not gone back on it. So I guess they mean it. So same thing I'm imagining with the three months that the reality is, is probably a good bit better than that, but they're just rounding up in a certain direction, so to speak. Let's see. Why are there no discussion of other meds on board versus comorbidities? Eric, I don't know what you're talking about specifically. Baschica, Paxlovid is not useless. I've been using it quite a bit and people are better the next day,

almost without exception. I mean, it is striking how effective it is. Now, I'm having plenty of rebound happen a week later. So it's not as though it's not without consequence. And my own daughter took Paxlovid, boom, better right away. And then got it again six weeks later now, or two months later, something like that. Way, way sooner than you would otherwise expect. So that's the, that's some of the things with, with Paxlovid. All right. Andrew did not take the Paxlovid. That's fine. And again, the reason I measure, I'm not very enthusiastic about these so-called early treatments with the medicines that cannot be named, which is so ridiculous, but okay, is because I've seen them used a lot and they didn't do much. And it's

literally, you're sitting there, I've said this before, I said this yesterday, you're looking at people who get better on these medicines, the eye medicines, the HCQ medicine, whatever it might be. And there's actually another one. Caleb, you never got me that data on the other one, the CMM, whatever they call it. Oh, snap. I'll get it. Yeah, I got to get it. Okay. There's a third one that people are using that I can't imagine has any utility. But I've seen people use these things, and in people that were really sick, they kept getting sicker.

In people that were young and probably going to get well anyway, they got well anyway. I didn't see really a change in the course of the illness. With Paxlovid, it's rather traumatic. It's dramatic in how it changes it. Okay. Let's see. I'm looking at your questions here.

What do I advice for healthy 46-year-old female, no health issues, vax or no vax? Jen, that is between you and your doctor. Everybody, the Novavax is out there too. I know it's got its own problems, but if you feel nervous about the mRNA vaccine, get the Novavax vaccine. I think it can be used as a booster. I don't know for sure, but it seems like it should be able to.

Tom, you should let YouTube know as they cannot censor him. He isn't allowed to speak freely. Well, I am sort of speaking freely. For the time being. Yeah, we have contacted. I don't feel afraid right now. We have contacted YouTube. I'm still nervous.

I want to do the right thing and not run afoul of these people. But they've reassured us that much like me talking to the state board of the medical, yesterday I talked at length about this conversation I had with the president of the Board of Medical Quality Assurance here in California. I feel reassured when I talk to a human being and they hear us out, they listen to us, they go, okay, yeah, you're not what the problem is. The AI picks you up, we'll reinstate you. And same thing with the board, which is, you know, we're not looking to make life miserable for every doctor that talks about the spectrum of the standard of care.

I started worrying this morning, though, again, this law, this AB 2098 in California is sort of saying that doctors that sort of spread information, particularly about COVID, that's different than the standard of care might get their license encumbered. And the word standard of care made me bristle because I explained in great detail yesterday.

You can watch that tape. The opioid epidemic was a standard of care perpetrated by my peers, perpetrated by the standard of care of physicians. And so standing up against that is something I did for 10 years. And to think that something might bother me on the COVID side and I have to stand up against it and get my license encumbered for that, I mean, I wouldn't stand up against it unless I really felt very strongly we were going down the wrong path. I think if we were to move back towards lockdowns, you would hear me talk about that.

I think that's just an atrocious policy and is profoundly damaging to human well-being. And yeah, I'd speak up about that. And that might be a standard of care. Susan, you're leaning in? No. I'm concerned about Facebook. We haven't been, um, getting as many views there as we usually do. And I have, and I keep seeing these banners about the COVID vaccine is good for you before you start the show. And um i also tried to post something today and i put youtube.com on it and it wouldn't take it but it makes me concerned because i think we may be getting

that's going to be our next move is or we're going to we may lose our facebook live stream interesting because of this information and we'll put i'll put a disclaimer that's what of course but you know what here's the thing we're on all these other platforms and if if we just stop showing up on facebook you guys know where to go dr.drew.tv yeah and then you can come over to rumble or or um and maybe people are moving over to the other platforms i don't know but um it's i i'm still hiding in the shadows i I feel like, you know, even though right now we're able to open our mouth and other people are picking up some of the things

that you're saying and they're putting them on their shows because they see that you're, you know, America's most loved doctor and he's saying this and that and they're posting it and they're posting clips of our shows all over the place and people are starting to see us take that you know step forward that's very difficult because we're i it just makes me nervous what are you talking about you mentioned we're talking to these people that are yeah i

mean just being uh yeah and getting the facts and trying to stay well today in front of it today's situation is a great example of that, right? So we have this Elsevier preprint from vaccine that looks really damning of the mRNA vaccines for young people. Then we have Dr. Gorski's analysis. There's that part. That's the article. And we have Dr. Gorski's analysis that is legitimate.

There it is. Peer review fail. Vaccine publishes anti-vax propaganda. Now, again, what troubles me about his analysis, there's so much editorializing. I wish you would have just stuck with attacking the article itself so we can understand what his position is. But okay. And that's how this works. That's the thing. It's a back and forth. And is someone going to be proven to be correct? Yeah. Before we're done, there will be somebody whose point of view is substantiated through

repeated studies, repeated studies, not just reanalyses, but repeated studies. Over on the Rumble Ramps, Tumor says, I got my T-cells tested and I've got COVID T-cells, never had a vaccine, never will. So covet t cell study so to speak the the commercially available test is sort of worthless my friend it just tells you you have had the illness and you have some cellular immunity it doesn't tell you anything about neutralizing antibodies or whether you have effective t cell response unfortunately we don't have we don't have a good test for that. We don't have a standardized test for that.

So there's no way to interpret the test that you got except to say, good, maybe it will help you, and you've had the illness, so congratulations. Should you also get the vaccine? The CDC would say yes, that hybrid immunity is much more reliable than Delta a year ago, that kind of thing. I wish we could all get an Adatex score and just know if we have immunity, you know? Well, the problem, I love the Adatex score and it helped me feel reassured about things. I'd love to have one now because, you know, I've spent so much time about Omicron and I'm not

sure if I've had any illness afterwards or gotten infected afterwards. It's been so mild, but I have been exposed to a lot of it, and I've really actively exposed. And I'd love to see what my neutralizing antibodies are to that because it'd be very, very interesting. But the problem with the sort of commercial distribution of the Adatex score is it has not been standardized yet. So there's no way to say we sort of were doing it

with the neutralizing antibodies, sort of saying if you're over 60, you're probably in pretty good shape. But other than that, it was still kind of guess guesswork but it's reassuring to see lots of antibodies both IgG and IgM and neutralizing antibodies all right let me look at your guys comments again there's a little chat going on on Facebook okay and um the first was um I've noticed a lot of people dropping dead, 30 and younger males on Facebook. And then it became, you know,

my doctor can only say in private to me about the vaccine, but can't be open about it and how they're horrible and ruining lives. So this is the kind of stuff that we want you to be able to put on social media, but I'm afraid this is going to get we're going to get knocked out which is fine i don't care go ahead all right so let me address that but do you see the facebook comments if i may have a counterpoint please don't yeah don't ban it

no i know but what they're doing is they're saying they're noticing that a lot of people are dying all right let me let me address that so first let me say i'm rumbling around tumor yes i understand that humoral immunity and cellular immunity are two different things what i'm telling you is that a there's no standardized threshold for saying you have adequate cellular immunity to respond to an infection we don't have that we just don't have it and your your so-called t-cell study is kind of a primitive study it's good good. It's not nothing. It shows you've been exposed, shows you have some immunity,

whether you would mount an adequate T-cell response to challenge unknown based on that test. That is, yes, different than the immediate response of antibodies from so-called humoral immunity, the B-cell response. All right. So, all right.

Look for the Facebook question. i i'm never on facebook i'm no it's on the restream oh okay so when you go on there just find that uh so what's my opinion on uh no they're just what they're saying is they've noticed a lot of i know yes people are talking a lot about that and guess what we don't really know what to make of that yet. It's not... I don't look at Facebook anymore. I gave up. I don't know. I just, especially after everybody was having Trump derangement syndrome, I just stopped looking at Facebook a long time ago.

And I haven't really noticed who's having problems out there. Okay, I'm looking. Well, you have not heard about this sudden adult death syndrome thing? have from you but i'm but i didn't find it on facebook okay here it is i found it but you know with everything that goes on on facebook censorship it worries me too many people dropping dead actively promoting the jab to anyone and no one can listen to you my doc had his license threatened because he recommends this to no one but he will talk openly with me as we're on the same page. These vaccines are horrible and ruining lives, especially those like me who have family

debt after taking them. When a billion people take a medical treatment, there's going to be a lot of problems. There just are. I suspect that we have been accepting a higher level of adverse events than we normally would because of this emergency. I don't know that anyone's going to admit that because I think the liability will come with it, but I do think that there has been an acceptance of a higher level of problems and less aggression, it seems, with looking at some of these adverse events. For instance, I talked yesterday about vaccinating 75-year-olds and above, and somebody jumped into the stream here

and said, my grandparents died within some number of weeks after the vaccine of strokes. Yes, the spike protein does affect the clotting system. Yes, we worry about it. No, there's no signal that suggests strokes are necessarily going to happen in the elderly population. Or let's say that does happen at some rate. That rate at this point seems clearly better than the consequence of getting the illness. That is the risk-reward analysis we're all doing. We're not saying there is no consequence of these vaccines.

We're saying that the risk reward in the elderly population pretty clearly comes down on the side of taking it. If you, Linda, as a four-year-old, don't want to take it and are fearful of the adverse events and want to wait until the hazard ratios get sorted out more. I get that. I get that. And your doctor is with you and I think you should be making decisions with your doctor. And I am fine with that, but I am not totally convinced that, you know, people are trying not to run to one end of the boat or the other. The reality is going to be somewhere in the middle and it's going to take a while to sort it all out. Could it be such that the risk reward for vaccinating a 22-year-old is still a male particularly, suggests that they

shouldn't get it? That may well be true. But for a 40-year-old, it's not clear. It's not clear. Lazy quack hole. DNA mutagen, you're going to have to show me that mechanism. I know there was one study in vitro with liver cells. That was in vitro. There's no way for an mRNA to get into the nucleus. It has to have a special protein attached to it to get in and out of the nuclear lining. And once in there, you need a reverse transcriptase to turn the RNA into DNA, which we don't have. Nor does the virus provide that.

So it just doesn't make any sense. So worrying about the gene therapy and all that stuff, it just doesn't make sense to me. Let's see. Back to Facebook. Jason said Facebook has a group called Died Suddenly News. It's highly monitored for trolls and fake deaths, but it's shocking how many people are dying of heart issues or related. So people are doing this.

I hope that they can keep collecting data and keeping people aware of it, you know, so they can make their own choices. So Veronica Ease asked about the ccr5 delta 32 gene and aids resistance and covet resistance yeah clearly that gene is associated with vital resistance over at the rumble rants uh and uh you know ccr5 uh and the ranties and all that became a prominent conversation early in the cytokine activation associated with with covet and some of the therapeutics like the ronlamab remember those medicines we were using for a early in the cytokine activation associated with COVID. And some of the therapeutics like loranumab,

remember those medicines we were using for a minute? They were all directed at all that as well. So there's something going on there. I agree with you. Okay. Check out the brain. Casey, thank you. All right, let me go back to you guys here.

All right, I should take some calls. Maybe what I will do. Yeah, you guys are all asking questions. So I hope this makes sense where I'm at. Again, I just think that a moderate position in all things, and if you're motivated to take the vaccine and your doctor thinks it's a good idea, by all means. I think getting super excited on one side or the other, history will not be extra kind to. I think it's time for a little temperance, a little observation. And again, Dr. Offit is now saying young males

shouldn't get this thing, so maybe you ought to listen to him. And saying that 75-year-olds should get it. I think that's a very reasonable assessment of the risk-reward. Now, mind you, let me just say this one thing before we go to a little break. The lack of risk-reward analysis is what I've been complaining about this entire pandemic. So the fact that I am trying to apply a risk-reward diathesis to this situation is me trying to do what I don't think was adequately done during the pandemic. And I think it was a travesty and resulted in untoward, unbelievable harm to people. Lockdowns, ostracizing people. It's silly. Discrimination, ridiculous stuff happened. Shutting down schools, things that should not have happened because people did not take a careful risk-reward analysis.

So that's all I'm trying to do. I could be wrong in how I'm balancing these things, and I'm completely prepared to be wrong. Again, that's why I talk to people like Kelly Victory and all these folks we'll be talking to and Harvey Reich tomorrow. Because I want to kind of measure myself against these guys' opinions to see if I'm in the right zone. And why I read Dr. Gorski's article too, because his article is well-written. He's an oncologist. He knows what he's talking about. He knows how to analyze medical information.

I still rely very heavily in terms of people that I consult with on Vinay Prasad, Vinay Prasad, who's going to write an opinion piece about this article we've been talking about. So we'll see what his analysis of the article is. a tumor here on, on a rumble rant. Monica Gandhi talks, gives a lot of information about B cell and T cell responsiveness in immune function and infectious diseases. So let's see. I want to let people to know on who are watching on Twitter that drew can't see your feed,

your questions on the feed. So if you want to ask a question, go over to YouTube or rumble or Facebook, and he'll be able to read your information on the, on the feed so if you want to ask a question go over to youtube or rumble or facebook and he'll be able to read your information on the um on the platform but i do have a question here drew from you from twitter if you can uh somebody's somebody's putting the first proclamation of the first direct democracy of france july 14 2019 uh to abolish any government for the purpose of ensuing their own security interesting Interesting. I did not know.

The French fascinate me in terms of how they're approaching things these days. So Western Civic, please tell me more. I just feel their heads are in the right place in terms of the legitimacy of government and maintaining a republic rather than a necessarily direct democracy per se. And there are three founding principles right liberty brotherhood equality and they they think a lot about these things and i think i don't know i think it took them 150 years but i think they're getting it finally right uh i don't know yoga girl what you're talking about there but let's take a little break and be right

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Here we go. Thank you, Drew. Great space, great people. Thank you for taking my call. I have a question about the COVID vaccine called Covaxin. It'sax had the greatest potential for reducing vaccine hesitancy. And Novavax turned out to have more problems than I thought it was going to have. But I still feel a little more confident if somebody's mRNA averse, then go get the Novavax. But you're right. Do you have any insight into why it's been sitting there for so long?

Other than, I hate to say it, but I get a little paranoid, but follow the money. Thank you very much. Well, definitely they were bought out 100%. There is no other way. Why would I say why not? I mean, there's a competition between Pfizer and Moderna. They're pushing those two. And I wish those are here.

I mean, I would be very comfortable. A lot of people would be comfortable. I mean, I would be very comfortable. And a lot of people would be comfortable. I mean, nobody can trust anything anymore. I mean. It's weird, isn't it? COVID. It's very bizarre. Very weird.

It's very weird. It's a weird time. But I, again, I think you can go to certain sources. Like I said, Monica Gandhi is somebody you can follow on Twitter. You can trust her. She has been advocating the COVAxin for nine months i think and um vinay prasad again a very bright guy and uh now we have dr gorski on on the other side he's bright guy writing opinions you got to kind of make your own they They have been certainly treating us like little children since this thing started, or scared children or something, that we're not able to make decisions.

We're not worthy of information. I don't know. I've never seen anything like this. It's just the most bizarre experience for me. I don't know if you feel the same way. Oh, absolutely. And also, they just came up with their atronasal. I think they're the only company that came up with it right now uh it's unbelievable i mean these guys are just

unbelievable i hope they approve it sooner i hope good well i hope you take it if they if they do thank you i appreciate that and uh i i just don't understand why they have not. Maybe there's some reason. If there's a legitimate reason, I'm wide open to it. But I'd like to see what that reason is. And yeah, it's a good point. Yolanda, we'll get her up here, see what she's interested in. I'm watching you guys on the restream.

Haley, what am I downplaying? And Yolanda, you have to unmute your mic. There you are. Hi, Dr. Drew. Hey. Hi. I am a, I wanted to ask you a question. I am, I've been a nurse for 25 years in a trauma hospital. We went through with COVID very bad. We had lost a lot of our elderly population in Delaware. Dreams. Now, I was having very horrible dreams for like 18 months. I went to the doctor and they gave me what was called Prazosin. Prazosin.

Hmm. Weird. And it actually worked interesting like i might have a breakthrough dream maybe once every three weeks not like every day like they said it's like a post-traumatic stress syndrome from the covid uh yeah yeah yeah so were they bad dreams like scary dreams that were keeping you up at night yeah they were like I would be working

or doing things where I would wake up in the morning exhausted like I've worked all night my dream well praise us and here's the quote has been proven to be safe and effective at the management of nightmares associated with PTSD so your doctor did something very enlightened here that's very cool i like that

i i've learned something today um something like that even work that's so interesting uh i i don't know i had a lot of chaos dreams during covid praises it's called an alpha one receptor antagonist that's what it primarily does. Let me see if there's somewhere I can find the mechanisms of action for the dreams. Let's see. I know they used to use alpha-2 agents like clonidine for a lot of things. Yeah, that could be addictive. Not clonidine, no.

That's clonipin. That's clonipin. Or Susan is fired. Let's see what this says is that extremely different okay here it is norepinephrine has a role in the pathophysiology of ptsd higher norepinephrine uh in patients associated with greater severity increased cns neuroenergic state so this decreases some of them it makes it it also suggests so because praeson is a lipid soluble alpha-1 adenergic receptor antagonist so it makes it it also suggests so because prazosin is a lipid soluble alpha-1 adenergic receptor antagonist so it's it's down regularly in the adenergic state i i have you know we used to use a lot of clonidine back in the day which is more of an alpha-2 agent

but for these similar kinds of things that's very interesting that that works so well for you fantastic i and there's no really other than lightness, I don't know of any side effects. No, I haven't had any side effects. What was it? So what was the most traumatic? You know, my ER nurse colleagues are a tough bunch, right? You guys are tough. And I'm always surprised when ER nurses get traumatized because it must have been bad.

What was it for you? Very bad. Yeah. For you, what was it that got to you well the persistent was walking on the floors and saying that they had like the over bed tables patients over bed tables outside their rooms like our hospital looked like a third world country you mean to mean people not being able to be in their rooms and out in the hall and that kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah, interesting. That's scary.

Yeah, it's interesting. I trained in a hospital that was like that in the 80s. Every floor was like that. So it's interesting that we've reverted back to that. And again, I'm sure the outcomes weren't great. Was it almost exclusively the elderly population at that point yes yeah all right well i appreciate you sharing that it's

interesting story you bet thank you dr joe you bet thank you so is ab2098 the one that that yeah okay so somebody said they might have passed it they did pass it the They did pass it. The question is, will Newsom sign it? And given the way he's been, I'm certain he will. So I sort of gave up. Like, okay, so here it comes. That's just, you know, I feel what's happening. This is Sky 8 or Skate maybe. Sucks.

Sky 8. Scary. Well, we'll see. More scary stuff. You know, Leanna Nguyen, who's the CNN infectious disease doctor who did a lot of fear mongering during COVID, has almost completely changed her tune. And she wrote a law editorial. I retweeted it yesterday saying, you know, well-intentioned but bad idea. And again, the president of the Board of Medical Quality Assurance reached out to her.

I don't know if they connected or not. Sky eight, what's going on there? Oh, hello, Dr. Drew. Nice to meet you. I was wondering if you know anything about having intercourse with, I'm not, I'm not trapped. Okay. So I haven't had the injection, particularly this one. Okay. I, I did have all of the other ones throughout the years with the actual dead virus, but having intercourse with somebody that already have the so-called vaccine will create, you know, some type of STD based on the spike protein? No, no, there's nothing like that.

There's no evidence. We would see literature on that if there was anything like that. The spike, obviously, it's not, the spike protein is not an infecting agent and it doesn't cause illness of, you know, that type that is infectious uh so that that i think you can not worry about uh josh what's going on there interesting question i know people are getting um okay caleb warned me that people were getting a little funny about the spike being transmitted by the vaccine or something right caleb by getting

have they tested it oh yeah exactly which. Which the thing that convinced me on that is Pfizer and all these companies would lose tons and tons of money if it could be spread that way. So they would definitely design it to not survive outside. Yeah, right. Okay, what's up there, Josh?

Hey, Dr. Drew. Well, I wanted to talk about the vaccine, but I wanted to talk about it from a psychological point of view. And I wanted to say that we might be narcissistic on both sides. I mean, narcissism is very common. We live in actually a narcissistic culture. So it wouldn't be surprising that people would be narcissistic in the way they look at the vaccine. And doctors are human beings. We can have, or or not i'm not a doctor but i mean doctors can have you know issues psychological things especially they can be narcissistic

you know um and i think that i just my point was that if we can just maybe look across the aisle that can do a lot for the narcissist. Oh, yeah. But the pathology sort of doesn't allow for that to happen. No, it does. It does. I agree with you that contact. I mean, that's why whenever physicians get weird with me,

I reach out to them. Because in the name of collegiality, I just extend my hand and go, let's talk about this. This is what we do. We talk about it. We don't attack each other. Now, some physicians that have attacked me are freaking cowards. They're cowards and won't just get on the phone with me and sort of talk it out. That's cowardly.

That's a different thing. And I would urge everyone to put that aside and try to make contact because we know all the sociological literature tells us and the psychological literature that contact is what reduces tribalism, sexism, racism, contact. So people treat each other like human beings, particularly colleagues and professional colleagues treat each other collegially, not insanely built on tribes and things. So your point is well taken. I do agree with that.

And it is, all roads do lead to narcissism these days. You're right. And that's where the projection is coming from. That's where the defensiveness is coming from. So I saw a French psychoanalyst the other day said something rather profound. He said, whenever you hear a narcissist say, you, what you should hear is I am. And so when they accuse you of things, it's really things that they have in their own heart that they want to disavow. And there's a lot of this kind of stuff going on these days. I'll tell you what, a lot of weird projection on both extremes,

everybody. Be careful of the extremes. Now, I want to address something here. Somebody said if you spit in someone's mouth after you've had the vaccine. Uh-oh. Did we lost my connection here? Is that possible? I don't know. I don't think that's it.

It said I got an announcement here that said that we lost our connection. So I apologize if you're not hearing us. You're still there. You're still not hearing us. All right. So you'll get the spike protein if you spit into somebody's mouth, if you've been vaccinated. Let's say that there was spike protein in my saliva and I spit in your mouth. How would that be taken up by your body and what would happen with that?

How would that work exactly? Just give me the biochemistry of that. Just a little bit. Just a little bit of that biochemistry. And let's say you did get into your body by some strange mitotic, you know, some osmotic process or active something across cell membranes. So what? Then what? So I don't know. It's very, very strange stuff people are thinking about. I have an after dark question. Yes, go ahead. What if you come in somebody's mouth? Yeah, same, same idea. Same idea. I know that one's coming. So I thought I'd put it out there quick. Okay. Thank you for that. Wake up and be real. Do something momentous. I know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. Oh, another person, people said, don't

call it a vaccine. I call anything that stimulates lymphocytic response to increase immunity to an infecting agent, I call that a vaccine. Anything, whether you're taking cowpox juice and injecting that or whether anything that increases your immune response to future infection is vaccinating so i'm just going to stay with that so calling things a vaccine that do that i have no quarrel about doing that uh let's see narcissistic on both sides uh politicized by the little boy you're getting narcissistic in your response indel that's all i'm saying all narcissists stand up please well you know there's been a narcissistic turn josh is right maybe the covid situation made us all narcissists no it made us histrionic and that

that's what i found was bizarre that there was such histrionic tone to everything and and that that's why when that Belgian doctor came up with the idea of the mass formation psychosis, that maybe that's it, because how could our predominant narcissistic personality suddenly shift towards histrionic? It didn't make sense to me. And I think his theory is better.

Okay, let me get some more calls in here. I'm trying to get through them quickly because you have lots of- Two days in a row of questions. Yeah, lots of them. Lots of people here, though. Thank some more calls in here. I'm trying to get through them quickly because you have lots of... Two days in a row of questions. Yeah, lots of them. Lots of people here, though. Thank you for listening, everybody. Russell, you were actually there yesterday, and I said I would get to people. Histrionic is up there. So yes, histrionic is a cluster B disorder, and cluster B disorders are absolutely ubiquitous these days, or at least cluster B traits are.

Russell, go ahead. What's up? Hey, Drew. I wanted to talk to you a little bit about AB 2098. I appreciate you making me aware of this. I'm on legislature.ca.gov. And this is crazy. I don't know if I'm understanding this correctly, but there are lists of like, there are like decreed facts about COVID. And am I understanding this right, that if you say anything against these, you could lose your license? That's the worst take on that bill, yes.

That's be the... Now, having talked to the board, they're saying, no, we would only go after the extreme outliers who had evidence of harm to patients. And part of you read the bill, it does say intent, like malicious intent or something like that. Now, who knows how they're going to figure that out. For me, the egregious piece of it is I've got somebody there as the president now who is going to look out for things and make a reasonable application of this should it go through.

What if she leaves? And Barbara Farrar takes over. No, that would never happen. And the other thing is that a lot of those lists you're reading are ways of documenting what's called standard of care. They're using standard of care as their threshold for misinformation. And the standard of care changes all the time and is often seriously wrong, not just for COVID, but for all things medical. Like I was explaining to the president of the Bumqua, look, it was standard of care. I acquired dozens and dozens of patients who were treated in the standard of care of psychiatry in the 50s. And was standard of care i i received i acquired dozens and dozens of patients who were treated in the standard of care of psychiatry uh in the 50s and that standard of care was an

ice pick above the eyeball and a sweep called a frontal lobotomy and that was standard of care yeah things change on a regular basis too are they going to keep up with that or are they just going to let this bill sit for 10 years and then well that's the question who is going to determine make everybody who is going to determine what standard of care means, what standard of care is, and what collegial dialogue is around standard of care? That's the problem. But go ahead, Russell. Oh, sorry.

You broke up a couple times. I don't know if it was you or me. But yeah, so anything scientific will change. And in the grand scheme of things, we're very early on in this process as far as data analysis. Yep, it's true. There's one of these Section 1B says unvaccinated individuals are at risk of dying from COVID-19 that is 11 times greater, like 11X. I mean, surely that will change as more data is analyzed. Is that even true now?

No, because we have treatments. Then why is it on there? Correct. That's the problem. Who wrote this? It sounds like YouTube wrote this one. Oh, my God. It sounds like the rules and regulation of YouTube two years ago.

Yeah, but Russell is looking at the right stuff, which is, yeah, there was a time in which the vaccinated population appeared to do that significantly better, particularly in certain age groups. Yeah. What is, yeah. Caleb is showing the different headlines of the conflicting standard of care. That's really work. We'll show you how, New York Times. there when is that from caleb i can't see the uh and then fast forward probably uh what is that one's from october 30th 2020 october 2020 and then you fast forwards to what's this one january 14th 2022 2022 and let me read the headline again roll it up there cdc concedes cloth masks do not protect against the virus i feel like i'm looking back in time at the cigarette ads in the,

in the sixties and seventies. Like, Oh, these cigarettes are good for you. Right. Right. Right. One,

one thing I wanted to add real quick for anyone listening, I am like what I would consider a left-leaning moderate and I am vaccinated. I don't, this is strictly, I have an issue with printing scientific facts and having consequences for going against them this early on in the process. It's crazy. It's crazy.

It's really crazy. And it's a symptom of the centralization of medicine. Medicine is being highly bureaucratized and centralized. It's not good for patients. It's not good for patients. There is a happy medium. I'm not saying it should be just everyone running amok at their whim, but there is a happy medium here.

The reason doctors did such a piss-poor job of treating people with COVID at the outset of this thing is they froze in place and were afraid to improvise and try things the way they normally do. They just said, go home, come back when your PO2 is 88 or 82. I don't know what they said. That was egregious. I couldn't believe it. I was shocked.

And I realized. Yeah, Sats of 82 is very dangerous, right? Yeah. Yes, very dangerous. You're in big trouble by that point. So I realized at that point that doctors were afraid. They were told from on high by academia, by their employers. It turns out 80% of physicians are employed.

The employer said, do this or else. And there was a time in which certain medication were brought up by the president of the United States at the time. And the whole world ran to a complete opposite side of the boat and stopped doing their job. It was very strange. It was a very strange thing. Well, if you trained for 10 years and you were told you're going to lose your job, you would do whatever you had to do to keep your job.

Correct. You don't make a lot of money, though. I've now learned through talking to some of the people that were silenced by the authority structure that they were using fear consciously to try to force people to comply with their ideas of zero COVID. They were using fear consciously. And because anyone who raised their hand and said, I don't think this is a good policy, they actively attempted to destroy them. The safety above everything, above any other consideration,

was the only way they made decisions. So the thought that their non-pharmacological interventions to maintain safety could have adverse effect could not be discussed while they strove towards a vaccine, which was good. It was a good thing to do. And then once they had the vaccine, vaccine overall. Vaccine and that's it. No discussion, no analysis, just no matter what vaccine for everybody. And that excess, it makes sense that bureaucracies sort of behave like that, but that's not how medicine is done. That's not how science is done.

And that's what you're reacting to, right? Right, right. It's just- It's really something. It's really, yeah, at a gut level, it's really concerning to me. Yeah, yeah. Very strange.

I'm with you, my friend. Keep your eye on that. This is Chris. That's why we felt like the French underground. Yeah, we felt like the French underground the whole time. The good thing about you was you didn't have any contracts with any major companies that said, you know, Dr. Drew, we don't want you to go out and speak your mind, you know, during this event. So we had the freedom to say whatever you thought was. Well, and I wasn't saying much. I was just trying to make sense of things. And as, as things were evolving, I was trying to help people calm down. That was my main thing. Like,

calm down. We can, we can get through this. You'll be fine. Let's figure it out. And so, uh, Chris there, Chris is, uh, up, up on the, you have to mute. Hello. Hello. Hey there. Hello. Hello on the, you have to mute. Hello, hello. Hey there. Hello, hello. How are you? Good. I'm curious.

My question is, how do you think we could stop the politicizing of medical and scientific information? My goal is by reaching out to my peers and trying to make contact with people who have differing opinions. That's what I'm trying to do i'm trying to reach out to all that will listen or all that will make contact to see if we can get out of the tribes and just start you know getting a united kind of position at least with my profession which is all splintered as what i just recognized your voice this is chris sanchez yeah caleb chris this is one of my good friends he's from the internet world What? I just recognized your voice. This is Chris Sanchez. Yeah. Caleb.

Chris, this is one of my good friends. How are you? He's from the internet world. He runs Uber Facts, one of the biggest Twitter accounts in the world. Ah, congratulations. Nice to meet you. Nice to hear from you again. Thanks, guys.

Thank you for having me. Of course. I know. It's been a minute. Yeah, I've been... What are your thoughts on this whole thing we've been through you know it's tough um also working in the online space i i spent a lot of time just seeing how this has had an immediate effect on the world around us yeah um but also it's it's challenging

because right now we're on twitter which is a medium that is often used for politics. Yeah. And so it's like, I don't know. Yeah, so your question is how do we reduce some of the tribalism? That's the only way these wonderful platforms are ever going to be used effectively for the betterment of people. It has to get there somehow. And I'm not sure I know how.

Do you have any ideas? No. Unfortunately. Good answer. It certainly, it may be. Just make it work for us while we can. It may be a generational thing. I mean, this may be somehow playing on our personality proclivities and the free-floating anxiety of the present moment.

Let me just propose this i don't know if this is any kind of model but what the european countries did to reduce mobs was they got rid of large town squares that you know if you go to little old cities all the town squares are very small and the streets are small that was specifically designed to prevent mobs. I wonder if there's some algorithmic way that, you know, that Twitter can, I was hoping that Elon Musk would do something like this with some, you know, like put, put some other priority in place other than virality and, and include, you know, interaction and that kind of thing. There's got to be some other priority than that because the things that cause virality are never the facts. It's always something concocted. I don't know if you've noticed that. The people I'm sure say things about you and

that's what goes viral, not what you actually said. Right. Yeah. I guess, you know, it's tough because all this started after from the switch from the chronological timeline to an algorithmic timeline. I mean, I think if we switched back, that would help a lot. Something like that. I don't know if people would want that. Or some, I don't know, some way of, I don't know. But I do appreciate you being here. Anything else?

Yeah. No, that's it. All right, man. Thank you for having me on. Thank you. And where should people find you? Here're on twitter this is my personal account at chris sanchez with a k yeah yeah there you go thanks friend talk soon thanks i hope so so caleb it's your buddy chris yeah yeah i've known him for many many years he runs uh the pro everyone would probably recognize it because

almost everyone follows uberfax the account is just at uberfacts and it's got millions of followers and yeah i just recognized it so i was like wait i know that voice and i looked at the photo i'm like oh it's chris sanchez wait so so i'm not following that should i follow that sounds like i should it's pretty interesting oh yeah he posts all sorts of interesting stuff interesting stuff he's been doing this for a long time what's his sort of thing what are the sort of it's all sorts of interesting stuff. He's been doing this for a long time. What's his sort of thing? What are the sort of... It's all sorts of... Well, they say it's the most unimportant things that you'll never need to know, but it's all sorts of facts and stuff about everything. Like, for instance, Susan, Bill Hader, the guy that plays... Yeah. Worked at a movie theater in college and was fired for telling rude customers the Titanic, how the Titanic ends.

There you go. It's pretty funny. That sounds like him. Yeah. That's so funny. Then he got a job on Saturday Night Live. All right. That's right.

Let me get Batch up here. Give Batch a chance to speak. Hey, Batch, what's happening? Unmute your phone. Unmute your phone. His phone is unmuted. Pardon me. There you are.

What's happening? That was nerves that had me muted. I've been a fan for a long time i would listen to love line on repeat while working on my thesis in grad school so this is quite the honor so what was your thesis i have one quick question oh i um so i'm a computer science master's degree i wrote software that simulated firing a beam of light into what's called a Schwarzschild black hole, which is like a slowly rotating black hole. Crazy. And we could use it as a mirror in a way.

So we could bring the light back. And you could also fine tune it enough where you could have it whip around the black hole a few times and light would come back. But what was interesting to me was the limit was 10 times around. We tried to go to 11, the computer couldn't handle it. Oh, it's just a computational issue? It's just too many, too many digits. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I let it run overnight and it was just kept trying to tweak it and just couldn't.

Well, everything has limits. Not everything, but the human created stuff has limits. That's for sure. So what's your question yeah so so i got one quick one when you say young men in terms of the vaccine what's the uh what's the age cut off the data keeps looking at under 40 my concerns really my concerns are under 30 that's really my concern uh okay. Yeah. So the data's looking at under 40. I think when they drill down

a little younger, they're going to find that's where most of the problems is because that's where we see them. That's where I've seen it. And again, I rely a lot on my clinical impressions and the data usually catches up a year or so after we've been seeing certain things. That's when the data will confirm our impressions

or not. They can also give us some clarity that what we're seeing was just an anomaly, but not usually. Usually the clinical stuff sort of bears out. Alright, yeah, so I'm sitting at 37 and I kind of I'm in that weird range. I got Johnson & Johnson the day after they took it off the market. Me too. My main question is –

The day before. I got it the day before they took it off the market. Yeah, me too. At least you both lived to talk about it. Yeah, we did. Yeah, right? And that's true of – It was terrifying a couple weeks.

But that's true of most vaccine reactions. That's really one of the important points that people have. I know we're going to – more infections and more cancer and more sudden death and the stuff, but most of them are resolved. That's the reality. Most resolved. Yeah. I wasn't too worried, but you know, as yeah. But, uh, direct primary care is my main question. Um, I've tried to get you to talk about it before, but you know, you get lost in the shuffle. I wonder what you think about it. It's what I use for my primary care, and I get, I would say, way better care than I ever did under

an insurance model. It's called direct primary care? Concierge, you mean? Yeah. You pay like a membership fee? Yeah, concierge. Same thing. Yeah. It's not quite concierge. It's just a prepaid system. Which sounds good to me i mean

you'll pay money you know for your car why can't you pay for your health insurance uh it was this was this mark cuban's thing did he have this uh i don't know average so i what i would what ended up happening with me is i followed my primary care doctor from the insurance model yeah to the direct primary care model because he basically got sick of dealing with insurance yeah i was gonna say something's got to give in primary care something no one's sane or talented is going to go into it uh you're not going to be able to see a physician that's the other thing you're only going to see physician extenders and there's going to be able to see a physician. That's the other thing. You're only going to see physician extenders. And there's got to be some way that people can see physicians if they want to, and those physicians have to be able to practice medicine, bottom line.

I mean, I think it's an amazing thing to do. I've got 24-7 access to my doctor if I have questions, all that stuff. It's amazing. All right. Well, excellent. Good idea. Well, people look into it if you want a nice little endorsement of your experience. I appreciate that.

I have a fun fact. Yes. Fun fact. When I was 10 years old, my brother was a computer scientist at UCI, and he was like 18, 20, or whatever. And I played chess against the computer in the lab. Did you win? And I beat it.

Look at you. And it was all downhill from there. That was your intellectual peak right then. Ten. Yeah. We've never played chess together. I can't remember how now. The fact that you played Willem's Vita Computer kind of intrigued me.

I did. I had skills. You have a son that's a really good chess player we and i'm afraid to play him i'm good at computers too so maybe maybe i should have been a computer scientist dr drew believe it's perfectly healthy to run mask run jog with a mask on uh i mean it's you know if you're going to go into high altitude and be extreme you know with a pack on and running hills and stuff, probably not a great idea. But also unnecessary. This thing doesn't transmit on the outside in the fresh air.

It just doesn't. Oh, Whiskris says she has to jog with a mask on because there's so many bugs in Wisconsin. So that's a nice image, Whiskris. Thank you so much for giving us that. I like masks when i get a massage because then when my nose runs i have i can wipe it off yeah so okay that's the only time techno science says no one seems to be talking about the unusual fibrous blood clots that embalmers are finding i i don't know what to do with that yet let's let's table that one because people find various

kinds of clots at autopsies so i i i understand these are a little unusual and blah blah blah i i more time more information more study i i really can't make anything of it just yet so i and be careful again these anecdotal reports that are dramatic be very careful be very careful with them uh let's see ah so dr you're still pushing the poison vax yes yes for your grandparents for your grandparents for all the elderly who get tremendous benefit from it uh let's see tribalism starts from the top needs to be stopped yeah you're yeah you have a point that we need you're right we do need leadership i i would argue that a kind of, you know, President Biden promised us he was going to be uniting. I've not seen the kind of leadership I was hoping for

as it pertains to that. Let's see. Let's see, get to Anthony. Somebody saw you on Stoke Lord's Netflix show. Oh, yeah. Chad goes deep. Chad and JT, yeah. Oh, it's so funny.

Yes, we love those guys. Anthony, what's going on? He's coming to the phone here, I hope. Yeah, if you have a chance to see their Netflix series, I recommend it. Hey, what's up, Anthony? Hey. Can you hear me all right now? I do.

I got you. Yeah, I've been listening to you for a long time, brother. I've given a lot of things I've heard you say as advice to other people. So you've made a big difference in my life on a lot of levels. But, um, um, so my wife is 46 and she, um, she started having an issue where when she would eat, uh, she would, uh, feel like she wasn't able to swallow her food, start hiccuping, and then would have to go and like throw up whatever the last bite is. Okay. How old is she? She's how old again? How old? She's 46. Okay. Does she have any

medical problems? Um, nothing really related to that. Her, her blood pressure can get a little high and she, uh, she takes some, um, opiates for a bad car wreck that she had years ago. How much opiates? How much, how much?

Um, you know, I'm, I'm not sure about the amounts. Um, we, uh, we regulate it together to make sure that it's not,

uh, an issue. Okay. Um, that's something we've done. It's still over long periods of time. Opioids can have very protean effects, so it could be something related to that. Is she on any other medication?

In the past, she's taken Ambien, but she's not on it right now. In the past, she's taken Ativan. Okay, that with the opiate is a potentially fatal combination. Do not let her take that combination. Okay. Okay. But the most concerning thing right now is she went to her primary care to get an x-ray and stuff about if she had some kind of blockage or whatever.

And yesterday she got a call from an oncologist wanting to set up an appointment. So we kind of don't know what's coming from that, if it's related or how worried we should be about that. Did they do an endoscopy or do just like a barium swallow and take x-rays they've uh they've only done an x-ray and i don't believe they even have her um okay drink anything all right so she she needs a complete workup i mean i'm hoping the oncologist will give her a real workup and if there's something blocking that they get you know we don't know yes you should be concerned that an oncologist calls but i wouldn't be panic stricken. I mean, you're just getting into this.

We need to know what this is first. I mean, it can be a lot of things, a lot of things. Anything from, go ahead. They said that the blood test was what triggered the oncologist. They did take a blood test. And did they tell you what the issue was? What specifically? No.

No, I've done some good ones, of course, and I don't know if it's like tumor markers or what else it could be. They would not have done tumor markers off the top. It must be something to do with the blood count. That's the only thing that you really get off a routine blood test where you just go, oh, we got to do something about this.

Now, what is going on with the blood count? I mean, got to find out. Was this a hematologist oncologist? No, it was just a, well, yes, yes. The one that the appointment's with is a hematologist oncologist. Right, so I'm going to bet something's going on with your bone marrow, something in that zone. So vomiting like that can be a million different things.

It can be something just general, like something else is making you sick. It can be esophagitis. It could be inadequate gastric emptying. It could be gastric outlet obstruction. It could be a million, million, million things. But they're going in a certain direction because of what they found on the blood test. So give it a chance. Let's see what's going on here. And please do call me back if you have any more questions. I understand these things are scary when this this stuff happens so hopefully it'll be nothing hopefully it'll be something they can handle easily and it's going to be you know it'll be what it'll be and uh we'll say we'll have to keep you in our thoughts god bless yeah uh here is um mary a very chance to talk here

and you and i are having dinner tonight with a two-time Emmy winner. What happened? Oh, for the... Paul Mercurio. Yeah, he writes for The Daily Show or the... Wait, which one? For Colbert. Colbert.

They won two Emmys last night? I think maybe one. I don't know if it's one or two. They won last night. Yeah. Oh, that's why he's here. Yeah. Why didn't he get us seats? No, I'm'm kidding i didn't even know it was on last night well

we're having dinner with him tonight so we can bask in the afterglow there you go mary what's going on there oh hi oh hi um i have a question not really about covet or good we're trying to we by the way are we would like to get away a little bit from COVID some of the time. It's too much. Right, exactly. So go ahead. So I'm dealing with some PTSD in a relationship. And I'm trying to get work through that to get back to a steady relationship flow. I'm a mommy, but I don't feel like this

is a mommy question. I feel like this is more of a just Dr. Drew question. Okay, I'm not and I'm and I'm having trouble understanding what you're describing. Be a little more specific with me. More specifically, we haven't been intimate in the last like eight months. Okay. And how long have you been in this relationship? About two years. Anybody on meds or anything that would screw up?

It's me. Okay. It's me, but it's PTSD because of some stuff that happened to me well while we were in the relationship like i was assaulted so now we've been dealing with this trying to get back on the boat thing and uh i'm not exactly sure how to i feel like i don't know everything was taken, so I'm not sure how to start that back up. One of the things you kind of need to get the motivation there to push through some of these psychological barriers is libido, right? And is your libido gone too? Yeah. Is that because of the meds you're on?

See, I don't know. I would have to talk to my doctors. You can talk to me. What are the medicines? I can tell you for sure. Oh, okay. Uh, that's the end of the vaccine. Prostique, uh, the motor gene. Um, what, what else am I ability? Cause I have bipolar disorder. I see that. And, uh uh i have clonidine for adhd and then i have clonopin well you're on lots of stuff how much clonopin you're on one okay per day okay so you know the lamotrigine fine the clonidine fine the clonopin at low dose fine it's the pristik and the abilify yeah and you need have you been on those a long time pristik is new and is that when you lost your libido with pristik it very well could be um that was what i this thing that drives me crazy is that doctors want to know you know an important part of you thriving and getting over

whatever psychiatric challenges you have is having intimate relationships. If you don't have any desire to do that or can't do that, the doctor wants to know about it. Now, he or she may say, hey, for a while, I don't know what your story is, so he may say for a while, we're going to stay on the pristine for a while. We're going to let the relationship be a secondary issue. We'll get to it. But he or she might also say, hey, thank you for telling me. Let's make an immediate change quick. And you need libido to be able to push through this stuff.

Is it boyfriend now? Is it a boyfriend? Girlfriend. Girlfriend. Well, wife. It's my wife. It's your wife. You guys are actually married.

Yeah, yeah. Is she okay? She's okay because she's been through something similar in her past so she understands yeah but it's not just that though you're having a biological handicap from the meds exactly and that's what i'm thinking is that it's not just that because yes you need to reassure her that it is that it's not her it's not your feelings about her, it's the medication. I don't like this. Oh, yeah, I definitely do. I've seen marriages break up over this issue without really people understanding

it's the medication doing the whole thing. So get that properly taken care of, okay, Mary? Okay, thank you so much. You got it. I like that kind of thing because it's easy. Susan, get that? Yeah. Make sense?

Remember when you helped Ozzy Osbourne get off all those crazy drugs? Yep. He was so much better. Yes, yes. Because he fell off an ATV? No, you're conflating a whole bunch of stories. I can't remember. Just stay where you are.

True. Clonidine, that's used for ADHD as well? Yeah, clonidine. It's so funny that we're, prazosine is a relative of clonidine. And so it's interesting that those two medications came up today. And we use clonidine

and there's another version of it, I'm blanking on the name of it, that's kind of a similar thing. blanking on the name of it. That's a kind of a similar thing. Another alpha-2 agent for ADHD. And these are very good, very safe medications for ADD, ADHD. I much prefer them to the psychostimulants for adults. So that tips me off that the doctor's pretty enlightened and is paying attention when they don't go right to psychostimulants and use clonidine. the prazosin we heard about earlier was for nightmares and that was that was an interesting thing i never heard that but it's there in the literature it's always interesting and clonidine

we used we used to use clonidine in bucket loads for uh heroin withdrawal heroin withdrawal that also ameliorates some of that that's what i was about to say is that after i was in the hospital you know for all that that pretty much all throughout that year and i had been on the percocet for the crohn's disease and all that for so long whenever once i got out of the hospital i didn't need it anymore all of a sudden but i still had to taper down off of the medication and so the doctor had prescribed clonidine which worked in a snap it was They told me it was a blood pressure medication, but it helped somehow. It is, as is prazosin. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I had no idea. Oh, no, because a lot of the withdrawal symptoms are in what's called the locus coeruleus part of the brain, and these alpha agents are blocking there or adjusting that chemistry a little bit. It's kind of complicated. And they work. They work.

You have to use a lot of them. You have to have some skill in using it. Here's kind of complicated. And they work. They work. You have to use a lot of them. You have to have some skill in using it. Here's somebody that identifies as a reptile and a space reptile, it looks like to me. Reptile hybrid space host. Reptile.

Reptile is there. Hey, Dr. Drew. Hey, there. How are you, sir? Pleasure to talk to you, mate. Greetings from down under Australia. I had to i had to jump up just to say seriously mate thank you so much on behalf of you know people have been affected by this thing which is millions and millions and i hate to bring it back to the facts man you with your status speaking up you pretty much i can't think of anyone else at your level that's actually doing it so thank you mate I really appreciate it you're a legend what's your name reptile bro okay bro um I I appreciate the support and and again I'm not taking a strong position one way or another I'm trying to kind of get into the rational Revolution I'm trying to take a

rational position and navigate through some of the confusing stuff that's out there so people make good decisions it's just health care decision plain old plain old health care decisions uh okay this is uh ozzy i think i'm speaking of ozzy uh go ahead there hey hands up ozzy what's up what's happening doctor i've got another way to look at it. You said like answering any questions or whatnot. I do know a lot of people here, one big family. What do you reckon regarding biological warfare, which is what you've been, whatever I was chatting about, psychological warfare and economic warfare? And what's the last one?

I'm sorry, the last one was? Economical, money warfare. And what's the last one? I'm sorry, the last one was? Economical, money warfare. You know things are working in numbers, yeah? You know pneumatical cochlear. You know we're all in the same boat. So what I'm saying is, where are we heading? Don't you realize that this is the numbers and we are all on deep depression?

You don't realize that. Reptile is a brother, but he's all right. He's got different. He's my brother. But what I'm saying is I'm glad you brought me in because you're a doctor and it's the first day I met you. So what do you reckon? Where are we going?

Because I believe the world is a stage and we're on now i say the world's one day all right this world one day so uh thank you for the question but i do not feel up to the magnitude of what you're asking me except to say uh in we are clearly in new times. Clearly there's been, I don't want to use that word reset. I think that's way too loaded. I think we are, as you say, reckoning with this new communication systems we have with the social media and the implications of that. We have, you know, I can only really talk about this country i i know it's

a global thing right now and we've been all been affected by one another and we've been watching one another and then copying one another but what i've seen here was there are aspects powers that the government have that are excessive that there are personality proclivities amongst all of us that are concerning, that the mob action in social media and scapegoating is the proximal manifestation of all that. I am always a humanist and an optimist. I do believe we will get through this massive transition. I think it's a transition. I don't think it's some sort of revolution. It could be wrong. It could be naive. I have a positive bias. One of the things that I learned, if you go to my podcast, I talked several times to a cognitive psychologist there. Dr. Drew podcast. Yeah, Gleb Sabersky. I talked to him a couple

of times. And we talked that one of the fundamental cognitive biases is negative bias and positive bias. Some people assume the worst, essentially, and other people are optimistic and assume the best. I definitely have an optimistic bias. And it interferes with my ability to be accurate, right? I could get something wrong, like something nasty as a foot here, and I don't see it because I'm maintaining my positive bias.

Certainly possible. But I still believe that we're going to get through this. And I do believe that we will learn how to use these things in a way that enhances humanity, doesn't tear us down. I think governments are a little out of control right now. I think they're hubris and sense of being, they need a sense of humility. I would look for that in our leaders. But we also need great leaders right now. I'm looking for that. And I'm not really seeing it. We need people to help lead us out of some of this or direct us out of it. There's Gleb Siversky. There he is.

I think it was probably the last one I did with him. Very, very smart guy. All right. Shall we keep taking calls, Susan? He looks really smart. He is really smart. Have you heard those pods? Yeah, I've heard them over the years, but he looks really smart. Do you want to have him over here? We can talk to him. We did have him here, I think. Didn't we have him here one time? I swear we did.

Okay, I'm looking at you guys, see if we can get up here. We have lots of interesting, interested folks. Sorry. Okay, Jenny, let's get you up here. J-F fro Jenny. Hi, Dr. Drew. Hey there. What's happening? Um, I just wanted to also say hello, Susan and, um, and Caleb, um, long time listener. Um, I, I have a question about um women with like i think that i might have um a you know adult adhd and i just wanted to know is there anything that you would recommend like like naturally wise um that women could do in their adult life to like help with it how old are you

um i'm 48 one of the first thing have you had this your whole life you've been bothered with i'm fairly i'm fairly certain but my my therapist just recently said i that she's fairly positive that i have it okay so one of the things i would do and it's somebody else telling you it's not like you've been bothered with it your whole life so first thing i would do is to check out to see if you're in perimenopause because perimenopause can cause lots of difficulty with concentration and focus as can menopause. I have seen actually the leading gynecologist here in Vancouver on this and I am in perimenopause. Are you going to get on some replacement therapies? I think it's important.

I haven't actually considered it. That's natural. That is natural, just replacing hormones. And I know there's some risk with it. Do you have any breast cancer in first-degree relatives or things like that? No. Broccogenes? That's good. Yeah, I would talk to, because I would do that. I mean, giving you a psychiatric diagnosis when you have a medical problem you cannot imagine how frequently medical issues cause psychiatric symptomatology you just can't even it's just so common and the psychologists and psychiatrists just jump right to a diagnosis when the actual diagnosis it's really just a symptom of a medical problem and I would look very carefully at that. You know, we just heard from somebody that was on clonidine for ADHD,

and she had good effect with that. I have ADD, but when I had perimenopause, I was scattered, angry, freaked out. I mean, I went through kind of this too. Yeah, I'm feeling scattered myself. Yeah, you can't concentrate. It's the weirdest thing. What could just happen to you when you had that hormone crash last week? Yeah, I just had a bad episode because one of my pellets got infected

because I'm on bioidenticals. And I'm always very even and everything's good. But for some reason in August, they always get infected. So they started coming out and i was miserable i had hot flashes i didn't sleep well i got anxious i got angry i yelled at caleb i literally and he goes are your pellets not working oh no it's so good we all. We have a good relationship, Caleb and me. Yeah. That's so funny. Or I. I knew right away.

I'm sorry, Caleb. But I had a memory of how horrible it was to go through it the first time. And then everybody said, well, you need to go on antidepressants or you need to get a therapist. And I did. My mom and my grandma died like a month before. So I thought, okay, I'm just having a nervous breakdown, but it's honestly so hard to cope during the day. And you just feel your skin's burning and you feel tired. You just want to take a nap all day. It also affects your brain. It does affect your brain.

Any of those symptoms ring true for you? Oh yeah. Absolutely. I'm like, check, check, check. It's not ADD. It's your hormones. I'll tell you something that women always do. Oh, it Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I'm like, check, check, check. It's not ADD. It's your hormones. I'll tell you something, that women always do. Oh, it's my hormones, okay.

Yeah, yes. Then I will go back to my said gynecologist and talk with her too. Please, because here's what women do. Women always do these inventories in their head

and make themselves somehow personally responsible for their symptomatology. That's because people call women crazy all the time. When in fact, it's a legitimate biological abnormality that's sending you in that direction. And it has a treatment.

But just to answer your question about ADHD, there's guifenicin, there's clonidine, there's triterra to some extent. But I don't like psychostimulants. Start with the hormones, do a full workup, and then find a good hormone specialist because just any gynecologist can't do it. That's true.

It has to be somebody who knows how these work and also isn't afraid to give you hormones because a lot of gynecologists are like, well, you know, you don't want to do this. It's a little too much. Well, they've been biased by the Women's Health Initiative, which established a standard of care, everybody. Guess what?

A standard of care that women shouldn't get hormones. Miserable at all times. And it was a wrong-headed and a terrible study. How miserable can we make women? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I went through a really rough week, and I had fond memories, so I know all the symptoms because I went through it this week. And today had fond memories so I know all the symptoms because I went through it this week

and today I went in and I got my pellets replaced I told her it was like a Pez dispenser they were just like popping out of my butt you really affect one of the things I noticed prominently was your concentration it was really I couldn't focus it was so weird

and I couldn't organize I It was so weird. I couldn't organize. I remember when I went through menopause and I was a travel agent. I couldn't stay on one task and finish it. I would just keep moving from task to task to task, and I'd never get anything done. Oh, he's driving me crazy. Oh, that sounds exactly like what i'm going through it's like it's a double a double whammy yeah yeah uh all right my friend thank you so much for a step and i hopefully helped you thank you

uh let's see here let's bring robin up here we'll wrap things up pretty soon here caleb are we okay to wrap up soon oh yes all good oh yeah oh yes he needs to get back to the baby so yeah it's almost okay robin hands up i see you gotta you gotta unmute your. There you are. Yeah. You know, I heard everything she was saying. And, you know, when I went through menopause, oh, my God. Like, you know, I couldn't even, like, I would be, I had the window open all night long. Yeah. I told my mom, I said, if I had big boobs,

I probably would have drowned myself because I'd be just sweating all night long. And, you know, and with talking about, like right now I'm taking Spalapen. Yeah, I'm taking Spalapen. I'm diagnosed Spalipan. Yeah, I'm taking Spalipan. I'm diagnosed with PTSD. And I was in a narcissist relationship.

And there was a lot of violence that happened to me. So I just tried to wake up every day and like my grandmother told me before i even got into this fucking relationship like she used to say you know you smile at the world and the world smiles back at you she's right and and you know i couldn't believe it you know i couldn't believe that and uh what the movie enough with jennifer lopez that movie enough like i watch it and i'm just like that's my life you know yeah i i ended up with somebody like that. I know, it's common. You know, telling me he loved me. I was the only woman in the world that he ever met and everything.

And then all of a sudden, the beating started. And over nothing. And I didn't understand. And I couldn't comprehend. Like, I was just like, I couldn't comprehend. And you know the sad part about it? Is that my pride. My pride.

You wouldn't speak up, wouldn't tell anybody. Yeah. I'm glad you're out. I'm so sorry to hear that. You need to recover from that. There are people that care about you out there. You just got to build relationships that are solid and healthy. Will you? Yeah. You know, and, and, uh, even today I talked to my mom and I told her and she got

COVID right now and I'm really worried that her, um, because she'll read 94 this month wow and and then you know then i started to cry and i said to her i can't understand it you know i still miss them i don't know why i don't miss that's the sickness of that kind of relationship you get trauma bonded to them you know the intensity you got you've got to start to learn the relationship, the difference between intensity and love. A real intimate connection can be intense, but not that kind of intensity. And so you get bound to that person. Really, the person that is the source of the trauma is also the person of the attachment. It's this weird push and pull, and it just is an intense thing your brain has trouble handling.

And it makes you more attached them in weird ways and you you i'm glad you're out and um it makes me wonder if there's some sort of way we at least one day a week to do some sort of i don't know positive kind of show without it being um saccharine i don't know well think about it think about some sort of mechanism that we could get people up at the podium here and do things that are positive think about it maybe it is just really maybe it's just stay strong yeah it may oh here's paul mercurio telling us uh yes emmy award winning friend yes we gotta go Yes. We got to go see you at 630. What time? 630?

Right. Okay. Isn't that right? I got time. We got dogs. Yeah, I hear the dogs barking. It means it's time to go, everybody. Drew, before the show ends, I wanted to point something out that's actually very interesting to me. Earlier, you were talking about how physicians and attorneys and all of you were supposed to be on a level where you're able to discuss your differences and figure things collegiality it

was something we used to live by being collegial yeah exactly and i don't know how aware ever people are i'm sure some people are about a lot of the mean things that dr gorski has said about you over the years and yet this entire show you've been bringing him up a lot, and you've said nothing but nice things about the stuff that you agree on. I thought that that was very refreshing to hear. I refuse to go there. Why? It doesn't get you anywhere. I just don't think it—I think it's the opposite of the direction we should all be going.

If I get to lead on anything, it should be to lead on this issue that you reach your hand out when people disagree. Even when they mistreat you, that's on them. Educate Drew, he'll listen. No, and look,

I'm just sticking with the facts. The facts is he has a pretty good article there, way too much editorializing. It puts me off and it makes me worry about his analysis. Sorry, it won't be. sticking with the facts. The facts is he has a pretty good article there. Way too much editorializing. It puts me off and it makes me worry about his analysis. I'm glad he wrote the article. I'm happy to bring him up here and talk about the article. It was very long. I did not get any of it.

So if you understand it, kudos. I just thought it was really refreshing. Thank you, Caleb. Kat Dunleavy says, Dennis Prager used to have a weekly happiness hour. Yeah, maybe we could do something like that, a happiness hour. I don't know, something in that.

We got to get more, we got to lead in a positive way. We got to commune in a positive way. Not all the time. It's not very entertaining. But maybe there's some way we can do it. Say hi. What's that, Caleb?

I think that that's one of the things that we're planning is at least twice a month coming up soon, we're going to have COVID banned shows where anytime someone says COVID, anything to do with COVID, I'm going to press a buzzer. We're going to talk about everything except COVID on those shows. The non-COVID shows. All right, we'll have those soon. I know, but that woman's 92-year-old mom.

Oh, by the way, yeah, make sure she gets the Pax of it. I would definitely give her that. Yeah, and also, you know, try to take care of yourself and, you know, don't drink too much or do other stuff. Yes, substances will not make it better. It might make you not able to take care of your mama. Substances. And right now on the YouTube restream,

there's some very nice comments. I see them. I thank you guys. Thank you for all of them. I know, there's some very nice comments. I see them. I thank you guys. Thank you for all of them. I know. I love all these beautiful comments. It's not the usual thing we get. Usually we're fighting off the trolls and having to deploy Toms and other people.

But we need to get going. Tomorrow we're going to have one of our challenging shows. We're going to bring Dr. Victory back in here. I'll send her Dr. Gorski's article and see what she thinks about it. Yeah, good idea. And she and I have been going back and forth. I asked Dr. Gorski to come on the show,

but he doesn't want to respond. I don't know if I've asked him on the show yet, but he's certainly welcome. I Twittered him, but he didn't respond. Harvey Riesch in here tomorrow, epidemiologist. I'm interested in picking his brain and getting his analysis on things. I hope this is sort of expanding your view. I would urge you not to hang your hat completely on any one guess.

They're not harbingers of the truth. They are just points of view that are important to listen to as you expand this understanding of the very confusing experience we have all been through. And also helps us make sense of all the different vitriolic opinions that are out there. Try not to go too far all one way or another. Time will tell what the truth is. We'll keep watching, we'll keep walking, listening, and we'll keep sort of discussing this and we'll get there. All right, we'll see you all tomorrow at three o'clock Pacific time. That'll be our last show of this week. And we'll be coming to you from New York next week at three o'clock tomorrow with Dr. Victory and Dr. Harvey Reich.

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