Ask Dr. Drew - Newspaper Accused Dr. Aseem Malhotra of Fake News. This Week, High Court Ordered Them To Pay HUGE Libel Damages – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 415

Episode Date: October 21, 2024

Dr. Aseem Malhotra – a prominent British cardiologist and producer of the new documentary “First! Do No Pharm” – was part of a victorious libel lawsuit against Mail on Sunday, which published a 2019 article falsely accusing him and others of “knowingly making false statements about statins.” After receiving a judgement from the High Court in June 2024, the newspaper publisher settled with an agreement to “pay substantial libel damages.” • SPONSORED BY JUVENT – If you’re serious about optimizing your health and wellness — especially if you want to strengthen your bones and improve mobility — check out the JUVENT Micro-Impact Platform. Get $500 off your Juvent today by using code DREW at https://drdrew.com/juvent Dr. Aseem Malhotra is a cardiologist, public health campaigner, and author of several books. He is an honorary council member of the Metabolic Psychiatry Clinic at Stanford University School of Medicine California. He campaigns for people to reduce sugar in their diet, promotes a low-carb and high-fat diet, and encourages the reduction of medical overprescribing. He is a producer of the exposé documentary “First! Do No Pharm”. Follow him at https://x.com/draseemmalhotra and learn more about the film at https://nopharmfilm.com/ Dr. Darshan Shah is the founder of Next Health, the world’s first and largest Health Optimization and Longevity clinic. A board-certified surgeon and Longevity Medicine specialist, Dr. Shah has performed over 20,000 surgical procedures. He earned his medical degree at 21, trained at the Mayo Clinic, and holds alumni status at Harvard Business School and Singularity University. Dr. Shah has authored a book, published papers, patented medical devices, and given over 100 speeches on longevity and health. Find more at https://next-health.com and follow him at https://x.com/darshanshahMD 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • COZY EARTH - Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets & clothing made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW to save up to 40% at https://drdrew.com/cozy • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • CAPSADYN - Get pain relief with the power of capsaicin from chili peppers – without the burning! Capsadyn's proprietary formulation for joint & muscle pain contains no NSAIDs, opioids, anesthetics, or steroids. Try it for 15% off at https://drdrew.com/capsadyn • CHECK GENETICS - Your DNA is the key to discovering the RIGHT medication for you. Escape the big pharma cycle and understand your genetic medication blueprint with pharmacogenetic testing. Save $200 with code DRDREW at https://drdrew.com/check • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

And today I'm going to be joined by Asim Malhotra yet again. Later in the show, we are going to bring Darshan Shah in here. He is the founder of Next Health, world's first and largest health optimization and longevity clinic. We're going to talk about longevity specifically. He was a cancer surgeon who then switched over to functional medicine and has been very dedicated to sustaining health. He was also an alumni at Harvard Business School,

and he's also at the Singularity University. He has authored books. We'll get into all of it. You can follow him at next-health.com. But first up, it'll be Asim Malhotra. We are waiting on him. He's in Great Britain, I believe, right now, and so we're having all kinds of technical and timing issues.

But you know him, cardiologist. He's been raising the alarm about the vaccine for quite some time. And when his own father died of a coronary event out of the blue. You can follow him at D-R-A-C-E-M-A-L-H-O-T-R-A on X. And the new film, I suggest you check it out first. Do No Farm. I'll have some comments after this our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre the psychopaths start this he was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography ptsd love addiction fentanyl and heroin ridiculous

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He's been a champion. He's been touring the world speaking about this topic. And very interestingly, he's had a new, what shall we say, a high court that has ordered a fake news outlet to pay a large libel damage. Dr. Malhotra, there it is. This is the mail on Sunday. They have to apologize for accusing him and nutritionists of spreading fake news about statins. Wow. Incredible. And And of course,

we're going to talk about First You Know Farm. We've got a lot to talk about. Please welcome Asim Malhatram. Hi, Drew. Nice to see you. Good to see you as well. What world are you in right now? What hemisphere? I'm actually in the States. I'm in Austin at at the moment i'm on a tour of the u.s um really trying to promote and uh get a lot as much attention as possible on the new documentary film i've co-produced called first in a farm there it is we've got a full screen of it right there talk to us about what why they should see it what they're going to learn and how yeah so it's a documentary film that really uncovers every layer of how big pharma and to some degree, big food have corrupted medical information and health information and how we got here and also solutions moving forward. So, you know, it's independently made.

We crowdfunded initially after we got a boost from Joe Rogan when I announced that the film was being done in May last year. And, you know, it's got amazing feedback so far from doctors, members of the public. We had a screening in Austin yesterday and Callie Means came, who, as you probably know, is one of the chief health policy advisors to Donald Trump and to R.F.K. Jr. And, you know, he was saying millions of people need to watch this. This is going to change health policy. So it kind of puts everything together, Drew, if you like, over about almost two hours, how we have got to this really terrible situation in terms of the pandemic of chronic

disease and how we can wind back those harms. But in essence, we won't fix healthcare, American healthcare, unless we correct commercial distortions in the scientific evidence so it really goes to the root cause of the problem and so this more recent uh libel uh finding and the damages uh were what were you saying and what were they taking aim at yeah so 2019 the mail on on Sunday actually did a story which you can be best described as a hatchet job on myself, another doctor, GP called Malcolm Kendrick, and a nutrition scientist, the brilliant nutrition scientist called Zoe Hartcomb. And it was a front page linked article, and it said that we were spreading deadly propaganda about statins. In fact, the

editorial, I mean, people can laugh at this now, but it was pretty shocking. The editorial from the health editor read, there is a special place in hell for doctors who say statins don't work. And then there were pictures of myself and Zoe and Malcolm. And it completely misrepresented our views on statins. Of course, I'm all for informed consent. And what happened as a result, Drew, is I lost my job in the NHS about a month after that because of that article. I wasn't able to get back in. Zoe and Malcolm decided to launch a libel case. I decided not to for various reasons. My mum had just died. I was wanting to carry my activism in the battle, and I thought there's no point getting involved know, sort of getting involved in this libel case, which to be honest, for all intents and purposes at the time,

thought we probably wouldn't win and wasn't going to be beneficial. But good on Zoe and Malcolm for fighting the fight. And they ultimately, the judge ruled in favour of us. There was an apology that was given specifically to Zoe and Malcolm in the Mail on Sunday. The whole article has been taken down from being online. And, of course, Mail on Sunday has a huge influence and power in British media. So this is kind of unprecedented.

But hurrah, you know, it's a moral victory, if nothing else. But, yeah, all of us have suffered in the process, reputational damage, you know, but we're still here fighting the good fight. Yeah, huzzah indeed. Is this a breakthrough where we will begin to be able to hold the press accountable for their dangerous excesses and the harm they do to people? it should be. I think it's a really big deal. And I think that it will be sending shockwaves to the press probably around the world to see what's happened in this particular case. And also it allows us, it gives us a bit more fuel to say, you know, we're going to carry on fighting for informed consent, fighting for greater transparency in medicine, calling out conflicts of interest. And I think it might make those newspapers think twice before they start doing smearing campaigns on doctors who just want to look after their patients.

And back to do no farm, I don't know where you are with statins these days. I'm not anti-statin, yet I do appreciate that the science, and certainly initially around statins, was shitty. And people aren't aware of that. Yeah, I mean, again, it comes down to informed consent for me. But not just that. I think when you get into the nitty-gritty of the data, and certainly the published data, which is already probably curated and an exaggerated benefit,

those benefits are very small. If you haven't had a heart attack, you're talking about maybe a 1% benefit over five years and preventing a heart attack or a non-disabling stroke and not prolonging your life. Most patients around the world, which is between 200 million and maybe a billion people prescribed statins, they're in that category. But they're not given this information, Drew, and that's a real scandal. There's no real informed consent going on. And again, it isn't me saying don't take a statin. Tell the patients it's information. They may decide they want to take it.

They may decide they don't want to take it. But that's how we should be practicing medicine. It's kind of changing the paradigm of the conversation between doctor and patient. We call it shared decision making. I call it ethical evidence-based medical practice. That's a form of informed consent that's necessary. So that is something we need to keep fighting for. I call it how medicine has always been practiced, how I trained my residents, and how it was always done.

And the fact that we have moved away from that to this weird top-down, or in this country, we have computer-mandated protocols and things because of the electronic medical record, that is literally anathema to the practice of medicine. And yesterday, I interviewed Scott Atlas, and he alerted me to the fact that Dr. Birx and Dr. Fauci really have no capacity, and many of the people in the bureaucratic structure of, let's call it health policy or public health, have no experience with risk-reward analysis, which is the foundation of medical practice. Just what you're advocating for, that the risk-reward analysis, which is the foundation of medical practice. Just what you're advocating for, that the risk-reward is assessed, you offer your patient your judgment, you educate the patient, you let the patient participate in the decision-making, and off you go. But if you don't have the risk-reward in mind, you are only going to do harm.

Absolutely. You know, I think this is probably a conditioning. I mean, they are older, more so-called more experienced doctors, but they maybe haven't shifted with how medicine should have shifted towards a more shared decision-making type of scenario with patients. But also, you know, they have got to their positions of power, Drew, by being part of a system which is corrupt, right? Which in a way, and I'm not saying about them individually, but I suspect, and I've seen this in the UK with people in senior medical positions, people I know, is they start to compromise their principles, you know, because they are trying to please big pharma.

And eventually, once they start compromising their principles when they start turning a blind eye to misdemeanors that go on within medical research eventually that line disappears you know and that i think reflects maybe some degree or what the the likes of fauci and and his colleagues unfortunately um and it's for a new yeah and that is do no farm and And now let's flip over to sort of the mandate stuff, the fact that these things were mandated, which is just, I hope it looks as absurd through the retrospective scope of history as it does to me at this point.

But it's so many excesses, so many bizarre things about COVID, but not the least of which was mandates of a vaccine for which the risk reward was essentially unknown and then continued to be pushed when the illness changed completely. Now, your dad, you believe, died of a coronary event related to the vaccine. Is that an accurate history? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, his post-mortem findings show two critical stenosis on Arrington, three of his coronary arteries. We had scans on him a few years earlier. He was in a pretty low risk and something had happened that caused an

acceleration and then published data came out revealing that. And then of course, other data, observational data, you know, and excess deaths and all that we know, autopsy studies, you put it all together, you can make a very clear case that one of the, unfortunately, one of the side effects of the COVID mRNA vaccines is they cause coronary inflammation and therefore probably increase your cardiovascular risk, certainly for a period of time, maybe a few months, maybe a year. But what happens is then someone's baseline risk is then increased significantly and uh and they go from a point where they may have suffered a cardiac arrest or heart attack at 85 and now they're having it at 70 or 75 you know and and that's so so

so i want to dig in a little deeper on this story so you and i have talked about how it's likely the spike protein is a pathogenic mechanism, and both COVID and the vaccine, particularly the mRNA vaccine, which creates a lot of spike protein, which causes the inflammation of the artery, which causes the deposition of the inflammatory material, the cholesterol, whatnot. Now, a JAMA study came out like a week ago that announced that, aha, COVID is what really causes heart disease.

Okay. And I'd been suspicious about that for a while. And I thought, but I've never seen it from Omicron. And so I looked into the data and lo and behold, all of it was collected from January, 2020, which means it was alpha and delta.

And there was, yeah, different illness. And then on top of that, there was some data that came out about two weeks ago that showed the highest risk of, now we're switching into myocarditis, I believe, if I remember this data right, not coronary disease, but related, was from people that had COVID and mRNA vaccine. Those are the ones most likely to get. And given that everybody has had COVID, that means everybody's going to be in that risk category. So there's myocarditis, there's coronary disease,

and there's Omicron and there's mandates of an mRNA vaccine that causes the pathogenic mechanism that produces the pathogenic medicine mechanism for all of it. I want to tell you a story real quick. I had a calcium score of zero forever, and I've been on a statin forever too. My dad had terrible vascular disease. I think we've had this conversation before. He had a really bad large vessel. That's kind of a different thing than coronary disease, right? And I was like, I do not want to have that. I don't want thromboembolic disease. I do not want anything to do with this. So I got a statin very early. And I had, you know, turned out by the way, insulin and sugar was a bigger issue for me. I learned later down the road, but I've taken care

of that also. And I know you've been a champion of that issue. Because as soon as I cut out sugars, guess what? My HDL went up. My triglycerides went down. Shocking. So anyway, different issue. There's a lot packed into this story. I went back and had a fancy AI calcium score and essentially sort of an angiogram.

And lo and behold, my calcium score had gone up quite a bit. I think it was around 200, 150, something like that. And they were able to isolate a small area, actually a distal branch of the LAD, I think it was a circumflex branch or something. It was a small little branch with some really fixed arterial stenosis. I have no symptoms, it's no whatever. I'm adding aspirin to my routine.

But to me, I had terrible alpha or delta. I had really bad. And I didn't get the mRNA vaccine. And I thought, oh, this is probably what COVID does, something like this. But not Omicron. So interpret all that for me. Give them my long story and your dad's. It's interesting, right? I'm wondering if you're seeing coronary disease from Alpha and Delta. I'm wondering if you're seeing. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Yeah, really interesting. So Drew, just to clarify, you didn't have any of the COVID vaccines? No, I had J&J. And I had a colossal reaction to it where I woke up in the morning with that, with raccoon eye, which is the presenting feature of the transverse sinus thrombosis, which is the dreaded complication of the J&J that no other male had except me. So I, and by the way, it passed, you know, and go ahead. So Drew, it's possible.

It's possible that the J&J may have played a role. I'm not just trying to distract from all the possibilities here, but that's one thing. No, it could. It could have. It could have. I think the other thing to say as well is, you know, one of the things that happened,

and only you know subjectively, Drew, how you were, but I think for most people during the lockdowns, you know, stress levels went up as well as massively. And we know that severe stress, chronic severe stress can accelerate coronary disease as well. Definitely. That's one of the factors. So you've got to throw that in the equation. But yeah, let's not exclude COVID. And again, what's interesting is I looked at the data before that. I haven't seen this recent study, but the previous systematic review that looked at the, you know, evidence of COVID and

heart disease, interestingly, only found a relationship with events, as in people having heart attacks, having had COVID, and the ones that were hospitalized. In the non-hospitalized COVID patients, there was a lower risk, interestingly, bizarre, a lower risk of having a heart attack than someone who didn't have COVID. So I think there are probably multifactorial issues here, Drew, as well.

Yep. And by the way, it was more severe COVID that had the coronary stuff. And yes, there was more in the hospitalized group in this. If I remember right in this study as well. Absolutely. Oh, crap. The other thing I wanted to mention. Oh, no.

My aging brain. Well, but you said something that triggered me. I'm going to lose it. But in any event, I want to transition over to a slightly different topic and get your thoughts on this too. And again, as far as it goes to mandates,

um, one of the, I, as I, as I said, I interviewed Scott Atlas yesterday and, one of the interviews came back to me was the one I did with Peter Hotez and his constant moving of the targets.

Uh, everyone gets a vaccine, they're cured, they're going to be fine, they'll never transmit it. It's always been a two-type vaccine. It's always been a vaccine and a booster. It's always been an indefinite boostering vaccine. Whatever. I talked to him and I was like, look, I had COVID.

It's not that big a deal. I had long COVID, it was nasty. And he said, oh my God. It was toward the nasty. And he said, oh, oh my God. It was toward the end of the interview. He went, oh my God, did you see from the UK brain shrinkage? I have brain shrinkage. I don't want my brain to shrink. My brain is going to shrink.

And the interview ended and I thought, oh my God. He doesn't know that all serious illness, because he's a pediatrician, he does not know that all serious illness in adults is prone to causing brain shrinkage. And now here is an article in, it is in Nature Aging. It is from just a couple of weeks ago, talking about the specific immunogenic mechanisms that they think are responsible for the, here, let me just read it to you. Influenza, viral respiratory skin, and subcutaneous infections

are associated with increasing long-term risk. Infections are also associated with region-specific brain volume loss, most likely the temporal lobe. Multiple different illnesses cause this. And I want to tell you, when I had my long COVID, listen to this. This is kind of interesting too. I had this very powerful feeling. I had bad brain fog, but I had this very powerful feeling that if I learned a new language, got back to the piano, or tried dancing, that that would help me clear my fog. And we were going, temporal lobe stuff, all temporal lobe stuff.

And we were going to Greece that summer, so I thought, I'm going to learn Greek, maybe it'll help. In two weeks, it cleared my fog. Coincidence? I don't know, it's an N of one, but here we go. So the point is, the panic, the insanity around COVID, and the fact that bureaucrats are making decisions without risk-reward analysis, it requires clinical experience like this to understand, to contextualize these illnesses. That yes, severe illness causes temporal lobe problems in adults. In adults.

100%. I completely agree with you. Mandating vaccines. Mandating vaccines with unknown risk. Is this the article? Did you see? Oh, there's that. Thank you for pulling that article.

Well done. That is the article. Yes. That's how they were able to identify what were the drivers of the post-infection brain atrophy. Not, oh, lo and behold, there is post-infection brain atrophy. There has always been post-infection brain atrophy, and they're just looking at the mechanisms for it. One other thing, see, I'm sorry to keep jumping all over the place.

Did you see recently that Australian local politicians are starting to organize and take aim at the excesses of public health during COVID. I'm wondering if you've been involved with that at all. Yeah, well, actually, my very good friend instigated it, Adrian McRae, who I think you met, Drew, in California last year. Adrian was behind it. He's got a political role now. It's amazing. It's really, really good news. And again, this is a global And again, we have to, this is a global issue and we have to try and support each other really to get the truth out. And of course, you and I know, you know, we're dealing with something that is unfortunately

very, very, you know, damaging, potentially long-term and horrific and a lot of unknowns associated with this genetic therapy, immune system issues. There is definitely one eminent oncologist feels that it's going to be driving cancer. We need to really get to the bottom of it. And we can only do that when there is a sort of moratorium. There's a kind of like, we need to stop and we need to really look and try and identify who's at risk and what tests need to be done

and what we need to do to implement helping people with vaccine injuries. And the longer this denial goes on from the medical establishment, the more damage is going to be done for trust, but also to population health. Last time we were together, we were on stage helping support RFK Jr. How do you feel about the direction he's going now and his potential? My feeling has always been I've not had a strong, you know, if he wanted to be president, great.

But I wanted his brain in Washington, one way or another. And I still feel very strongly about that. Do you feel like he's going to get there in some way? And if he does, is Adrian going to be there? Are you going to be there? How's that all going to work? Do you have any idea? Are you talking to them? Yeah, I certainly hope so i mean we've been in

contact you know with each other um on a relatively regular basis so and i agree with you i think his brain the world needs needs his brain in washington you know um he's somebody that really understands the issues he's extremely articulate he He comes from an amazing family. I think he has great moral courage and he exactly epitomizes what we need of our politicians. So I very much hope he has an influence in Washington. Whoever gets in,

you know, he needs to be there. He needs to be at the table. And I think he's not going to go away. I think he's got a huge following now. He's got a lot of people who support him. I think he's shown brilliant leadership. And yeah He's got a lot of people to support him. I think he's shown brilliant leadership. And yeah, anything I can do to help and support him and advise him, I'll be there for him.

So you've been very, very concerned about the vaccines. Is there anything right now that you have your eye on in terms of targeting? Again, my concern is I feel like nobody's taking the vaccines right now, so I'm not as alarmed as I was. And if people want it, I feel like I can give them sort of informed consent. Now, by the way, one of the things I tell them is I'm not sure what you're doing because XCC is arriving here and this is a vaccine for JN1 that is not here anymore. But OK, if you feel better getting the vaccine i i can't really recommend it but i'll certainly won't step out of the way

i'll step out of the way if that's what you want to do these are very elderly patients um but what what are you doing you know how are we taking aim at this now how do we make you know it to me that really could the big concern is not so much the present moment but if this should happen again how do we make sure these excesses are curtailed? Yeah. I mean, I tried on several occasions, Drew, before the pandemic to call for public inquiries into Big Pharma. Because invariably what happens is that clinical research is never or rarely independently evaluated. So we have to go to square one of the root cause.

So if we get greater transparency, independent evaluation of drug trials, or drug trials are not conducted by drug industry but independently done, then we can be more confident on the risks and benefits of all medications. So that's really what we need to do. I mean, the second thing from a policy level is that we need to remove commercial conflicts of interest

over health policy and decision making because there are regulators, UK regulator, the FDA are getting at least 50, if not more percentage of their funding from big pharma. And that's a real problem. So the people we trust to do the independent valuations are conflicted and they're not doing their job properly. Clearly, as we've seen with the rollout of the COVID mRNA vaccines, I mean, just to make it more clear to people, a reanalysis, and we've talked about this, I think you've interviewed Joe the Freeman, a reanalysis of those original trials by Pfizer suggested more harm than good from the beginning. And if due diligence had been done at the very beginning, then it probably wouldn't have been approved, but it was rushed and there were

conflicts of interest. So, you know, that's what needs to change in the system so this doesn't happen again, in my view. So let's, I want to repeat what you said because it bears repeating, is that the original studies that the FDA approved did not show that it prevented the disease. It did not show that it prevented transmission. A large group was lost to follow-up

that we still don't know what happened to them. All, if I remember right, all adverse events were only considered two weeks after the original, the vaccine was administered. Isn't that correct? If I remember right? Yeah. And no

proper double-blinded controlled trials of any real significance. It was not done properly. And as you said, the adverse events looked more significant than the benefits, depending how you analyze the data, of course, but I think reasonably so. Go ahead. No, I was going to say, so what they found was that the serious adverse event rate in the original trials at short term, two months, was one in 800, right?

Which suggests that we know there are medium to longer term harms. So that's an underestimate of the real harms over a longer period of time. And that was more common than people in the placebo group being classified with COVID. So that suggests certainly it was more harm than good from the beginning on average, but even that rate of 1 in 800 was very, very high for a so-called vaccine. We've suspended other vaccines so much that harm.

Absolutely. And if I remember right, it wasn't, weren't the endpoints hospitalization, not death or any of those sorts more serious endpoints? There was no reduction in COVID deaths and no reduction in all-cause mortality from the trial. Yeah.

So let's all remember that's the vaccine that was mandated. Now, even I, understanding that that, and I've talked to Dr. Freeman several times

and it's been astonishing every time I talk to him, but, and also he has talked to the FDA and they've reported serious adverse events. I'm dying to get some follow-up on how those reports were followed up because they were completely missed by the so-called authorities.

But they mandated this vaccine for years after Alpha and Delta passed. Even I, understanding the shortcomings of the science, I am willing to say, okay, it was an emergency. People were in a panic. Okay, they were trying to do the right thing. Because Alpha Delta was nasty. It was a nasty, nasty illness. I get it. It was not your average bear. We were sort of unclear. I even worry, Asim, that the government may have known that it was a bioweapon on the loose with maybe certain potential that we all still don't know about. I'm willing to entertain that. It certainly looks like that. And so they may have been really panicking about that. You could argue they're trying to

cover their ass because they were involved in the development and all that as well. I'm certain that could be a part of the story as well. But the fact is they continue to mandate well into the Omicron era, including the present moment. And to me, that is not only inexcusable, it's disgusting. What do you say? I completely agree.

And in fact, when the mandates came out, Drew, and towards the latter half of 2021, my first instinct was this doesn't make sense because by that stage, we knew unstoppable transmission from real world data, we knew there were serious harms. I said, this doesn't make sense. The only people that would benefit from it and therefore likely have been pushing it are the drug companies such as Pfizer.

And then I think Lee Fang is his name, he's an investigative journalist I think published a few months ago and did an investigation and found that Pfizer were quietly funding, giving tens of thousands of dollars to grassroots organizations that are credible to push the mandate narrative. So, and this happened before. Well, yes, we know what happened with the Vioxx scandal, with Merck, you know, anti-inflammatory drug, pulled from the market, killed 60,000 Americans. Merck knew it was going to cause increased heart attacks and strokes. They still went along and pushed it and marketed it.

But when the FDA alerted Merck to the fact that there was a cardiovascular risk and they should put a black box warning on their packaging, Merck ignored the FDA's warning and doubled down on their marketing. So think about that. When these companies know there's a problem, that's when they go to the other extreme. And I think they thought, if we push the mandate narrative, people are automatically going to assume that it's safe and effective,

and we're going to make more money. And that's why the diagnosis for these corporations and the way they make money is psychopathic. They're psychopaths. Well, they're psychopathic as entities in the way they make money. And I think people need to understand that. Well, I think it's not unreasonable to think about corporations as psychopathic because they technically don't have emotion. And so they make decisions in their own self-interest and that's that.

So that kind of makes sense to me. And I worry, I always worry about running from, I worry about the bureaucracy. I worry about the government. I worry about the limitations of our ability to have discourse and free speech and access to things that we might need to help our patients. For instance, the fact that Vioxx was immediately taken away ignominiously, that was a great drug. It had real risks associated with it, but it was a great drug. And I have patients that have never been the same without Vioxx with horrible rheumatic conditions. And by the same token, I worry that, I don't know, God forbid, if these mRNA technologies have some utility that we haven't seen or some particular situation where I need it.

I can't get it because they've gone so far one way that we've all gone and said, we got to get rid of these things, you know, come what may. And I understand that, but the excess, the same thing with opiates. Opiate thing, I was fighting that pandemic tooth and nail. Now, when I need an opiate for a patient,

I can't get it. It's almost impossible to get an opiate for a patient appropriately. And this is because of the enemy of centralization of healthcare. So doctors can't do their job. And that really, to me, that's the enemy in this whole story. That these people that are not

clinicians making decisions, bureaucrat making decisions on high mandates, disgusting, and I don't see it changing in the near term, and I don't know how we change it. No, I agree. I mean, I think we just need better information. I think it needs to be much more down to informed consent. And as long as patients know there's a potential harm that's accurate, and they decide that the benefits for them are likely to outweigh the harms or the doctor feels

that way, then why not? But the issue is lack of transparency and lack of accountability as well. True. I mean, with all this going on with the COVID vaccines, I mean, we were told for the likes of Fauci that if you take the vaccine, you're not going to get infected. But we know that's completely false. Where's the apology? Where's the – okay. Where's the apology? Exactly.

I had the best of intentions. I believed the data. I now realize the data was flawed. And we need to look at this again. Where is that conversation happening? Why is Fauci not talking about that? Because as doctors, Drew, we also taught if we make a mistake, we apologize. And the apology isn't enough.

You have to basically also demonstrate genuinely to patients, and they're very forgiving, that you will do whatever you can to make sure this doesn't happen again and somebody else isn't harmed. And that's the way that the medical establishment need establishment really approaches the issue of the COVID vaccine now. Because the longer they go on, Drew, the less trust. And I don't know if you know, there was a study in the States recently that showed that trust in the medical profession had gone from an all-time high,

72% very high trust in April 2020, to now less than 40% trust. So, and I'm sure it's still falling. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I completely agree. And of course, Stanford now and Jay Bhattacharya are leading the way in opening this discourse.

The movie is Do No Farm. Tell people again, the website, where to get it, how to see it, what they're going to experience. Let's do the pitch. Yeah, thank you. So it's First Do No Farm. And obviously it's a take on first do no harm but farm with a ph and the website is no farm film.com p-h-a-r-m uh.com and uh you can

you know we've obviously put our own you know resources and time into it my co-producer is a director this is the way he makes his living so we're just trying to at least recoup costs so people can download it for ten dollars um but it really does expose the whole system. And for me, it isn't just about getting it to the masses. It's about influencing policymakers. We had a screening in the US Capitol. Senator Ron Johnson hosted it. He thought it was excellent. You know, we're hopefully getting it to policymakers as well. Hopefully, Donald Trump will see it. We need the likes of Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, who's been very heavily involved in the whole censorship of what is actual important health information

that's been getting censored. And I suspect for most of these people, Drew, I believe that most people are intrinsically good. I think this is just ignorance. People have been captured. Their minds have been captured. Once they see this film, they won't be able to unsee it and i think that can only be a good thing as far as mind capture i'm thinking a lot about that these days and i want to make sure it doesn't happen to anybody

going forward that we got to really uh buttress ourself against that because that is indeed how we got into the craziness of all this at least partially uh again say hi to your friend adrian in australia he was a great it was really a pleasure to get to know him he's an interesting we got into the craziness of all this, at least partially. Again, say hi to your friend, Adrian, in Australia. It was really a pleasure to get to know him. He's an interesting dude. He told me all about his salmon fishing days up in Alaska. I don't know if you've heard those stories. They're pretty intense.

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Please welcome Dr. Darshan Shah. Dr. Shah, you're here, but we don't see your camera. There he is. Please welcome Dr. Darshan Shah. Dr. Shah here, here, but I don't, we don't see your camera. There he is. There you go. Ah,

we need a camera for him to come on. I hear you, but I don't see there. You are. Thank you for joining us. So first of all, I want to thank you for the NR infusions, the nicotinamide riboside that both Susan and I took.

She, she in particular, like when can we go back to next health? When can we get another NR infusions, the nicotinamide riboside that both Susan and I took, she in particular, like, when can we go back to NextHealth? When can we get another NR infusion? The second one, she was the driving force behind it. I'm an NR fan. I think people know I use that as part of my longevity program, but the IV infusion is a whole next level with it. Tell people about that. Yeah, absolutely. You know, one of the most powerful therapeutics that I've seen over the last 10 years doing this longevity medicine stuff, and I've seen everything, doing IV and nicotinamide riboside, nicotinamide in general has been one of the most powerful

things that I've seen really help people get their health back. And what I mean by that is give them their vitality, their energy back. Every cell in our body needs a molecule called NAD to make energy. Without energy, those cells cannot function. And I'm talking your nerve cells can't transmit signals. Your liver cells can't detoxify you. Your heart cells can't beat as hard as they need to. All of this stuff requires energy. And most of us, especially after the age of 44, our energy stores get depleted. And that's what

leads to, over time, aging. NAD and R specifically, nicotinamide, rabicide specifically, replenish the ingredients for energy production. And that's why it's so powerful. And, you know, myself and many longevity physicians use this on a regular basis with our patients. Some patients get it weekly. I say at least once a month doing an IV infusion can be a game changer. And, you know, I worry about oxidation,

the oxidative stress on cells and cell membranes, both the cell membrane itself and the mitochondrial membranes. And I feel like things that, it's been my contention for over 10 years, that things that target, that move the oxidative state of the cell away from oxidation, tend to be associated with cell health and longevity. Am I thinking about that correctly? Absolutely. Like for people that don't know, oxidation is basically rusting of our cells.

It's when we make too many of these reactive oxygen species, and then they cause the cell walls to be damaged. And NAD, nicotinamide, riboside especially, can move the balance away from oxidation. Now, it's important to note that you do need a little bit of oxidation. That little bit of stress on your cell does help the cell to realize that it needs to function properly. But we just live in an incredibly massive amount of environmental burden of oxidative stress right now that our cells just can't catch up. Right.

And yeah, like I said, NR is part of that. Let's talk about longevity more generally. I kind of feel like, I don't know how to describe it, whether it's the kind of golden age of longevity management or whether we're just sort of finally getting to a place where we can actually do something or we actually know something. Maybe there'll be a golden age in the future that's even more so. But I feel like we can say very meaningful things now about how longevity works, how you can impact it. I'll let you sort

of give your favorite topics. For me, it's the oxidative state of the cell membrane and muscle mass. Those are my two favorites. Maintaining muscle mass as we age and then paying attention to the oxidative state and then avoiding things that are frankly poison, alcohol, tobacco, things like that. Yeah, you hit on three of my favorites right there. Maintaining low oxidative stress, maintaining muscle mass,

which to me, I'll state it a little bit differently, Dr. Drew, I will say maintaining metabolic health. Okay. So your metabolism- I feel like that's a bigger topic. That's interesting that you go there. So talk about that because that's a big topic. I'm trying to focus on little things. Do resistance training. When you talk about metabolic health, and i want you to get into this now you're talking about hormones now you're talking about insulin metabolism now you're talking about genetics of the individual and what they're where they distribute their fat and things so go ahead have at it okay so let's go let's take it a 10 000 foot view on this your metabolic health

is your body's ability to process sugar. And when you have too much sugar and your body can no longer process it, your body starts secreting too much insulin, you get insulin resistance, and that creates metabolic health issues. And what the key message here is that your metabolism lives in your muscle. And why is that?

Because most of the mitochondria that we have in our body are in our muscle, and your mitochondria is what's processing this glucose for energy, okay? And so if you have a healthy amount of muscle and you have, and you have good mitochondria, you'll be able to process glucose better. And you can't do that if you don't have muscles. So every single person listening to you, if they don't have a three time a week strength training routine, I would say, and you're over 40 years old, you got to get that in. It's so important. Even if it's 20 minutes, just that little bit of signal for your muscle to make more mitochondria is going to maintain your metabolic health. And one of the things,

it's interesting, I've been a kind of a meathead weightlifter my whole life. And early on, they started talking about breaking the muscle the sarcoplasmic membranes down and building mitochondria that was a lot of talk about that 10 years ago even which is interesting because that's something you can see under a microscope right like when you broke the sarcoplasmic reticulum more mitochondria formed we saw it under a microscope i don't think we really knew what that meant until the last five or 10 years. Yeah. Well, I know, as always, bodybuilders are like chemists, and they were on it early.

And so they saw it as a way to build muscle mass. They're like, oh, there's more mitochondria. I can get more protein development from that, too. So it's interesting. Yeah. And this kind of ties into the NR conversation because having more mitochondria is helpful and you can do that by having more muscle, but also having effective mitochondria that are efficient at making energy is just as helpful. And you can do that by giving them the precursors that they need to make energy of which NAD is one. And then the hormone environment

is something that comes up a lot. Oh, by the way, I see people are saying they're taking Niagen 300 milligrams. I think you should take more than 300. I take 500. And I talked to that fertility expert and she was saying she's a thousand and people get pregnant.

By the way, I recommended, I don't know if she's going to talk about this publicly, but I recommended someone who is in fertility treatment or entering fertility treatment, hadn't started yet. She's kind of a famous person and she got pregnant within three weeks on Niagen. So there's clearly something very beneficial to cell function that's going on. Absolutely. Yeah. You know, I think fertility is just an overall indicator of your overall health, your metabolic health. And if you're not, if you're having problems with fertility, it's time to look at your health overall.

It's not just about like, you know, getting some hormones, you know, it's much more than that. Well, back to getting some hormones. So the hormonal environment of our metabolic function is complicated. How do you teach people to attend to that? I get a little lost in what, you know, I sort of go back to keeping things simple sometimes when I'm thinking about that. What do you tell patients? And are you referring to like sex hormones, like testosterone, estrogen? Are you referring to those hormones?

I'm thinking primarily about testosterone, estrogen, and progesterone, and estrogen, and thyroid. So these are all important hormones in this mix. Very important. I mean, I think there's a few keys here. Number one is to realize that every man and every woman, we will go through menopause and menopause, right? It just happens. And when our hormone levels take a dive, either slowly or quickly like they do with menopause, it causes a lot of negative changes in our body and some positive ones as well. And so I think that many people, they accept this as normal aging.

But what we're seeing over the last 50 years is much more severe drop-off and people living in much lower numbers than they should be living at that people back in the 1920s and 30s they've had much higher levels of testosterone estrogen as they aged and so getting your hormone levels extremely important and that doesn't mean you're going to need to go on hormone replacement therapy not everyone needs to but there's but at least you know where you are and where you should be. And then you start taking lifestyle measures into place to help improving those hormone levels. And things like strength training, like we talked about, can improve testosterone levels. Decreasing ultra-processed food in your diet, decreasing chemicals in your exposure, all helps. Yeah, and we've ignored women in the perimenopausal phase

when we can really do a lot for them. And for men equally in there, I guess we don't really think about it, but there's sort of a perimenopausal phase too when you really are setting yourself up for what's coming next, you got to pay attention. Yeah, that's so true. And I think once again,

we all kind of think of this as the normal aging process, but it's really something that's very accelerated in our modern environment. And we all need to be cognizant that we should do something about it. And so ask your doctor to check some biomarkers on you, get your testosterone, estrogen levels measured, get measures like your hemoglobin A1C done. So you know what your metabolic health is like. These are all important biomarkers that everyone should be checking um on a frequent basis and and um you know i'm just sitting here thinking you know we never would resist putting somebody with thyroid disease on thyroid replacement therapy uh and in fact the medical literature is full of all these aggressive therapeutics for

mild thyroid dysfunction. And whether we do that or not is not the point. And obviously, the effects of profound thyroid failure are much different than, say, ovarian failure. But my point is, we are biased against hormone replacement for the sex organs, while the thyroid organ, we would never not recommend replacement when it's appropriate. Yet the sex hormones, we go, oh, that's just nature taking its course. We could say the same thing about thyroid too. Man, it's such a good point. I never thought of it that way, but you make such a good point. Why don't we treat these hormone deficiencies? Why do we let them just occur without managing them? And, you know, like having a low hormone level leads to higher rates of cancer, higher rates of cardiovascular disease,

higher rates of Alzheimer's disease. Maybe this is the reason why we have so much chronic disease, right? It certainly would be helpful if we paid more attention. And again, I really am big in paying attention earlier, like in your hairy phase of all this. Let's talk about a word that's thrown around way, way too much. It's another thing I try to figure out how to teach patients about, but it gets tossed about, which is inflammation. And inflammation clearly is a big enemy in all of this. And you've mentioned insulin metabolism and glucose which is a significant mediator of endothelial inflammation

talk to me more about inflammation there and generally right so inflammation for the listeners that don't know what that is is an overactivity of your immune system so inflammation is generally good if you have an injury that's what heals heals the injury. But when we are chronically injured, I'll tell you a few reasons why that happened. Our immune system is overactive all the time. And it's kind of like having an army that's out of control. They don't know what to shoot at anymore. And they start damaging our white cells, start damaging our normal cells and causing damage all over our body. The number one area that this happens is in our gut. Our gut is where 90% of our immune system lives. And if our microbiome, the trillions of bacteria, fungi, viruses that live synergistically

with us in our gut are not healthy, they cannot protect us from the toxins that come in through our food. The toxins get absorbed through our gut and our inflammatory system goes crazy. And that causes inflammation. Inflammation is another one of those root causes of disease. This is great, Dr. Drew. We've touched on almost all the root causes of disease in one quick second. That's what I wanted to do.

I wanted to get at it. You got it. And I look at the, well, I got more for you. I want to look at the, I want to, well, I got more for you. I want to look at the, I tend to look at the endothelial dysfunction, let's call it, of hyperinsulinemia. You know, I try to explain to people that that's how every cell in your body is getting oxygen and nutrients, and that's how the immune cells that you need are getting there, and that's how the inflammatory mediators

are being removed. But if those endothelial linings don't, those cells don't work right, you're not going to get even the oxygen, let alone all the other things you need. Right. Absolutely. You're protecting your endothelium is another very important part about your health. And most people don't realize how to do that.

And one of the best ways to do that is get your blood pressure checked. The most damage that happens to our endothelium is from having high blood pressure that goes undiagnosed and untreated for decades in most people. 50% of people don't get their blood pressure diagnosed until they're in their 60s or 70s and they've been living it for the 30 years. Well, not only that, but people are biased because it does not give you any symptoms and i was guilty of this too you you when when you're in primary care what you see is people going oh it's up a little bit i'll watch it i'll watch it i i i i had a big meal last night i

run i'll run more yeah i did that for like three years and uh finally a primary person looked at me and said you know you can only outrun your genetics so long and i was like oh yes of course everybody my family has hypertension i need to take care of this as early as possible and as aggressively as possible but of course i i was youngish i was probably late 40s, early 50s, and I didn't want to go on meds, but I immediately did. The meds out there now are very safe. They're super effective. Living with blood pressure for a long time causes all of the chronic diseases as well, Alzheimer's, strokes, liver disease, kidney disease. We know it does. I always say the worst blood

pressure measurement that you can do is at your doctor's office. You're stressed. The person taking your blood pressure is in a rush. You've got to get your own blood pressure cuff and do it at home. There's a ton of YouTube videos on how to get a proper blood pressure measurement. Do it once a month, especially after the age of 40, and get it treated. For every 10 points you're above 130 over 80, you have a 10% increased chance of all-cause mortality, dying from any cause. And people live that way for years, unfortunately. It's not good. I'm not happy with myself for having done that for a few years. And I still have trouble convincing patients. Yeah, it's ridiculous. You feel like you should

be able to outmaneuver it. It's like there should be things you could do. It's ridiculous. You, you feel like you should be able to like out maneuver it. You know, it's like, there should be things you could do. And there are, you know, I didn't have it when I was in my thirties, you know, and I would watch my weight and did, you know, aerobic exercise and that kind of thing. Salt intake, maybe. Uh, where, where do you come in on salt? There's some interesting data recently on sodium. Where do you, where do you ring in on that one? Yeah. You know, I think that salt is one. Reducing the amount of salt in your diet just masks the real reason that you have high blood pressure by reducing your plasma volume. The real reason people have high blood pressure is really metabolic disease.

It's really all about getting their metabolic disease under control and understanding where you are in that spectrum of having the beginnings of metabolic disease versus diabetes. 95% of Americans are somewhere on that spectrum. And so you got to figure out where you are by checking your hemoglobin A1c and your insulin level and starting to treat it. And so I really believe that although lowering your salt can help temporarily reduce your blood pressure, you got to treat the underlying metabolic causes first. So let me dig in a little further on that. So in my experience, I feel like early, youngish hypertension is more of a renin-angiotensin problem, some communication between the kidney and the right atrium and they really respond to ACE inhibitors and ARBs and all these things anything that interferes with that

that biology they like immediately later the vessel stiffness becomes more of an issue which is what I associated with the metabolic types of problems and or ongoing hypertension that's inappropriately inadequately treated or tobacco and other things, obviously. But my question to you is I get the connection between metabolic health and vessel elasticity. How does it get into the renin-angiotensin system? You know, I think, I think there are two separate ways of getting to the same endpoint with hypertension.

Like you mentioned, it happens in younger people that they get this secondary hypertension due to the renin-angiotensin system. A lot of that is due to younger people sometimes overtraining. It can be due to high levels of stress. Alcohol can cause that if you're younger. I would say in our clinic, about 20 to 30% of people that we see at the age of 21 to 30 have high blood pressure. So, you know, it's not a disease just of old people. It's happening. Whoa, that's a new thing. That's a new problem. And that's consistent with everything else that's going haywire with us. Wow. It really is. And so,

you know, I think, I think there's multiple reasons why people get some of these problems because what we, what we are conditioned to think in Western medicine is everything is siloed, right? Like your heart disease is your heart. And then your, your metabolic disease is a different silos endocrine, but really it's systems. Biology teaches us that everything is together. It's all interfacing with each other. You got to treat the body as a whole. But the miracle of that is once you start making progress in one area, everything else starts getting better too. So treating your blood pressure makes your metabolic disease better. Treating your blood pressure can make

your kidney better. All of it works together, you know? Yes. I always think of it as a feedback loop. It goes up that way and it goes down that way, all the loops. So give me a few minutes on hormones because I'm a little unclear sometimes how to, in men and women, I get, you know, I have some strategies for testosterone, obviously metabolic health, resistance training. I don't, I'm not a fan of sustained cardio for anything really than the sex hormones because it drives them down. But HIIT cardio is sometimes very good, very helpful into metabolic health generally.

So give the audience some tips on the male-female hormone function as it starts to go away, starts to fail, so to speak. Yeah. Let's talk about testosterone a little bit. And, you know, for all the females listening, testosterone is just as important for you as it is for a male. It's a hormone, right? It's a hormone of muscle. We leave it behind. We've left it behind forever. We've left it out completely, but it's massively deficient in women when the ovaries shut down. Exactly. And a lot of my patients that are women, just getting their testosterone normalized when they're going through perimenopause and not even messing with their estrogen, it can be a game changer for them, right?

I've seen that for sure. I've seen that. Yeah. So some ways to get your testosterone up naturally are by lifting heavy weights, specifically lifting to failure. And what I mean by that is when you're doing a set, so you're doing 10 exercises of a bench press, that last couple need to be so hard that you can barely do it. That's a really important kind of distinction that we're finding now really causes those adaptations of the muscle to increase mitochondria, but also helps to boost. Creatine is one of the most well-studied supplements in human history. Five to eight grams of creatine for men and women can truly help boost

your hormone levels, but also protect your brain and protect your muscle as well with minimal side effect. Just take that as part of a morning supplement, not just pre-workout, but take it every morning. Yeah. I think just once a day in the morning, I add it to my morning coffee, actually, just a scoop. It's tasteless. It works really great. Some other ways to help increase your testosterone levels is to not be sedentary. Sedentary behavior, which is defined as being in one place for more than four hours, dramatically decreases testosterone from both men and women. So what I do is every 45 minutes, I have a little timer go off on my computer, tells me to get up and move around. That little break every 45 minutes called the exercise snack

can help you maintain good hormone levels and negate the effects of sedentary behavior. And then your diet, your diet has a lot to do with it. Eating a very processed food, ultra processed food diet can lead to lower hormone levels and higher levels of visceral fat. Visceral fat is a dangerous fat in your abdomen that's underneath your muscles, wrapped around your organs. People that have a lot of visceral fat have low testosterone levels as well. And so if you feel like you have kind of a beer belly or your waist-to-hip ratio is high, definitely start working on your visceral fat as well. Which, again, is back to metabolic health. And then women have a special sort of conundrum, which is as the estrogen goes down,

the visceral fat goes up, which drives the estrogen down further. So how do they deal with that? Yeah, it's tough when that happens. It doesn't happen to all women, but it does happen to women that spend a lot of time sedentary and also have a lot of sugar in their diet is what I see. And so they can help reduce their visceral fat by avoiding sugar, maintaining good metabolic health, exercising. But I think a lot of women that have a lot of visceral fat respond so well to hormone replacement therapy. It literally changes their life. They get back to normal rate the visceral fat goes away and so i i agree with that and uh yeah and i hit cardio too i'm feeling would really help that population that they they if they can do it and then uh what was my final category i wanted to

get into here i think it it's going to escape me. It's escaping me. So HIIT cardio, visceral fat, hormone replacement, estrogen. That pretty much covers it. I got one more for you if you want to tackle one more. Yeah, go ahead. You've hit on all of the um root causes of aging and disease except one we haven't touched on which is the our level of toxic exposure in our lives so in the last years chemical factories that produce 150 000 chemicals that are in our environment and this toxic burden we live in one

of the most toxic environments ever in human history i I was going to stop you, Darshan. What I was thinking about was plastics and all that business. Yeah. So keep going. Yeah, that falls right in the same category. Microplastic, PFAS, all of these things that are in our cosmetics and our air and our water and our food. And so it can be daunting to people, right? Like, how do I decrease my toxic burden? Is it even worth trying? It's absolutely worth it because a few simple actions reduces your exposure to all toxins. And that is filtering your water, either with a reverse osmosis filter or a filter pitcher, and drinking only out of glass bottles. Stop drinking out of plastic.

Secondly, is going to the ewg.org, the Environmental Working Group website, and looking at the toxicity of the products that you shower with, brush your teeth with, put on your skin. It's really easy. You can scan the barcode and you can get a score on it. You can find other products that are EWG certified that cost the same or less as your expensive stuff that don't have these toxins in them. So I highly recommend doing that. As far as your air goes, where do you spend the most time? In your work office and in your bedroom at night.

Open the windows if you can when you're sleeping. And if the air outside is not good, if you're in the middle of the city, get some air purifiers. Makes a huge difference in the amount of toxins you breathe into the air, which is a number one form of how we get sick from toxic exposure. And then food, just really making sure you focus on organic food that's well-sourced, that has not been exposed to pesticides and grown from far, far away, and staying away from ultra-processed food. If you can do a few simple actions like that, you're going to detoxify your life. And over time, all this stuff adds up day to day, right? So if you could just right the ship, in five five years you'll have you're completely eliminating more toxins and 90 of humans you know yeah yeah you know it's funny you told me once that you spent the first 10

years you loved medicine trying to convince young people to go into medicine then the next 10 years being dreading it and telling people to get out of it and finding your way into this into this as a way of finding meaning at all in our knowledge and training and really actually helping people, not just dealing with the consequences of not paying attention to all this. It's funny. I'm finding this late in my career, too, that all of a sudden I think, God, I should have been focused. I've been working out my whole life. I've been paying attention to my diet my whole life. I never made an issue of it for patients or the public.

And I really decided I have to do that. And there is, you know, how do you do that in an optimum way? I mean, your next health obviously is a great way to go at it. I tend to try to get things on a bigger scale to help as many people as possible. And it's hard. You got to, not everyone can have this, can tolerate this conversation we just had or can do the things we're asking them to do. So I'm thinking a lot about this these days. We have an obligation to help people out. So I appreciate you being with me.

I appreciate the NR Infusion. I appreciate the work you're doing. What are your last words here before I wrap things up? You know, it might sound like it's a lot to get your head wrapped around, but I would say you do one thing every week and in 52 weeks over a year, you've done 52 things. And that makes a huge difference. You probably don't even need to do 52 things. So don't get overwhelmed, learn, you know, you're putting a great message out there. There's great podcasts. I'm starting a podcast, Dr. Drew, launches in a couple of weeks. It's going to be called Extend. Extend.

What's it called? Extend. E-X-T-E-N-D. Extend. Insist that you allow me to be a guest on that show. That'd be fun. I would love to have you as a guest on that show. Yeah. It's about extending your health plan and your life. Thank you.

All right. That is my turning into a pumpkin alarm. I've got to run out here, but we appreciate you your life. Thank you. All right. That is my turning into a pumpkin alarm. I've got to run out here, but we appreciate you being here. Follow Dr. Shaw, Darshan Shaw, MD on X-D-A-R-S-H-A-N S-H-A-H-M-D. And coming up, we got another big

week coming up with us. Well, first of all, this afternoon, Susan is going to put up a show that is not live, but it's a show you might enjoy. Well, hold on. So I was in the middle of editing it, and the second half of the file

is corrupted, so I'm trying to get that back in order by tomorrow. So it may or may not go up tomorrow if I can get the files from that event. Okay. Is the Mark Norman and Annie Lederman stuff in there? Well, it's anything

after seven minutes, so it's corrupted. So they might just need to send me the file again. But that's a technical issue. So it depends on what I hear from them. As great comedians in there, Colby joined Susan. They have a nice time. They are at the Skank Fest. And they'll explain to you what that is in Las Vegas.

Elizabeth Pipko coming. I think she's in studio with Brittany Meyer. We have Cheryl Ackessentry. Very interesting. Viva Fry. Emily Kaplan. Emily Kaplan is with the, oh, shit, what's the name of their, if you look it up, Caleb, really quick and tell me. Emily Kaplan's company is called Bad Science or something.

She is a really fine thinker and scientist and she goes at the statin controversy very directly. I think you'll enjoy that conversation. Do you have it there? Does it come up? Oh, wait, I almost had her, but she's, I'm getting the ESPN reporter. That's not her.

No, no. Carrie Lake coming in to talk about her run for government and Jack Posavich on the heels of that. Debbie Lehman, Lisa Marin, Salty Cracker on the heels of the election. We'll get to a post-mortem with him. And on November 8th, you have that before I put up this video? Broken Science. November 8th, call to action.

Broken Science. Broken Science, Assembly Kaplan's thing. Do check them out. They're an excellent group. But the Rumble event we're going to do with Jimmy Dore on the 8th. We think tickets are available. There it is. Two Roads Theater in Studio City.

And the special guest, one of them is me. So we will join Jimmy Dore on that date. Oh, so good. I love Roseanne. I love Roseanne. I love her. She's wonderful. All right, let's wrap it up.

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