Ask Dr. Drew - Nick Freitas: Child Grooming Gang Boss Released Early, But UK Law Bans His Deportation + Wynton Hall on China / USA AI Arms Race – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 643

Episode Date: July 15, 2026

The UK government has become so ideologically captured, they will need to rewrite a 1971 law before they can deport Shabir Ahmed, ringleader of the Rochdale child grooming gang who was set free on early release this month. Nick Freitas, retired Green Beret and author of The Manbook, just returned from the UK and tells Dr. Drew how a once-great country ended up with a two-tier justice system. Ahmed was sentenced in 2012 to 22 years for multiple offenses as the leader of a gang that targeted girls in Rochdale. Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood said that to deport Ahmen, first the UK government must change Section 7 of the Immigration Act 1971, which currently shields Commonwealth nationals who arrived before 1973 from removal. Nick explains what institutional capture looks like when protecting a narrative outranks protecting children. Also on today’s show: Wynton Hall — managing editor of Breitbart News and author of CODE RED: The Left, the Right, China, and the Race to Control AI — on the US-China AI arms race. Hall argues that as the US restricts its most powerful models over safety concerns, China is racing ahead and using American AI tools to run influence operations. Nick Freitas is the author of The Manbook: A Point-by-Point Guide to Sucking It Up and Getting the Job Done. A retired US Army Special Forces (Green Beret), he served two tours in Iraq after service with the 82nd Airborne and 25th Light Infantry Divisions. Follow at https://x.com/NickJFreitas Wynton Hall is the author of CODE RED: The Left, the Right, China, and the Race to Control AI, on sale 3/17. He is managing editor and social media director of Breitbart News and has ghostwritten 27 books, including seven New York Times bestsellers. Follow at https://x.com/wynton_hall 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • CHAPTER - For free and unbiased Medicare help, dial [phone] to speak with my trusted partner, Chapter, or go to ⁠⁠https://askchapter.org/drdrew⁠⁠ Chapter and its affiliates are not connected with or endorsed by any government entity or the federal Medicare program. Chapter Advisory, LLC represents Medicare Advantage HMO, PPO, and PFFS organizations and stand alone prescription drug plans that have a Medicare contract. Enrollment depends on the plan’s contract renewal. While we have a database of every Medicare plan nationwide and can help you to search among all plans, we have contracts with many but not all plans. As a result, we do not offer every plan available in your area. Currently we represent 50 organizations which offer 18,160 products nationwide. We search and recommend all plans, even those we don’t directly offer. You can contact a licensed Chapter agent to find out the number of products available in your specific area. Please contact Medicare.gov, 1-800-Medicare, or your local State Health Insurance Program (SHIP) to get information on all of your options. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nick Freitas here back again with us. Sorry about the jack hammering sound. It's going to end just a second here. He recently visited the UK where he saw a country tearing itself apart over ideology. This week, the British government revealed a must rewrite a 70s law before we're going to deport the convicted ringleader of one of their worst child grooming gangs. When I first, I'm about you. When I first heard about child grooming gangs, it seemed too just so for me. I almost didn't believe there was such a thing, but it looks like there is.

He was sentenced to 22 years, but he's not back on the streets, less than 15 years after his conviction. Nick is going to tell us what he saw in the UK and how suicidal empathy is perhaps destroying the once great United Kingdom. Nick is a former Green Beret author of The Man Book, and you can follow him on X, Nick J. Freitas, and I see K-J-F-R-E-I-T-A-S. And then Wittenhall discusses the U.S. China AI arms race. While the U.S. is throttling some of its models over safety concern,

I don't know if you're aware, but the Claude Fable 5 has been shut down because it's a risky operation. China's moving ahead using AI American tools to run influence operations that are aimed at us. No kidding. I really feel the work of something like that, these influence peddling, brainwashing operations. It feels like it's very much at work. And Winton will talk to us about that. His book is Code Red, the left, the right, China, and the race to control AI.

He's also managing editor at Bright Bar News. Winton underscore Hall on X. Be back in a moment with Nick. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopaths start this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin.

ridiculous. I'm a doctor for a I say, where the hell you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Lovelin all the time, educate adolescents, and to prevent and to treat.

Do you have trouble? You can't stop and you want to help stop it. I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. Oh, apparently Caleb was just saying with that Fable 5 is back online in the U.S. Caleb, maybe you want to jump in and tell us what you know before I bring Nick in here. Yeah, Fable 5, it was taken off line with export controls from the U.S.

government because they said that they had concerns about the security abilities of it, basically. Even though Fable 5 isn't even their most strongest model, there's mythos model, which they won't allow anybody except pre-selected researchers and organizations have access

to that one. But it's back online, Fable 5 is accessible if you can get more than two questions to it per day. I hit my limits within 10 minutes. Without you hit your limits. Interesting. All right, Nick, we're going to talk to him first before we went. Nick is Nick J. Freitas on X. I am on Instagram, Nick J. Freitas. The book is the man book, a point-by-point guide to sucking it up and getting the job done. I'm looking at a link here that I don't quite understand. But one of the things we're of course talk about is

institutional capture with ideology and how it's affecting the citizens of various countries. But Nick, welcome back. Oh, thank you very much for having me. You know, I was talking to Adam Carolla today, and we were getting a little wistful about the 70s and 80s, and he said something that I thought you could

kind of speak to. He said, you know, back then, men just did shit. Something needed to get done. They just did it. Now we are encumbered. We're like, you know, like Gulliver's travel, like the Lilliputian. of tying us down with a million different little strands, regulation and laws and one thing after that.

I forget what we were in talking about. It was actually a life-saving sort of intervention, but it was dangerous, and men just did it. You don't do it anymore so much. We may want to, but we can't. Yeah, well, we have a combination of a massive administrative state that believes that they've got to try to bubble wrap the world. And then on top of that, you've also got an ideology,

which is continually taught young men that everything about their masculinity is toxic and bad and responsible for the world's ills. And so you create a situation where older men who might be kind of married and established don't really feel the punishment as much as younger men who have repeatedly heard this narrative, whether they were in public school, whether or not they were in college. And then all of a sudden it manifested itself in the corporate world where now it's more difficult to find a job. It's more difficult to find a wife. And yeah, it does. It creates an environment where men are no longer able to act and fulfill their proper role in society. And it turns out nobody's happy about it to include left-wing feminists who encourage this sort of environment. Created it.

Yeah. I don't know if you saw this. Vinay Prasad wrote an article about this today, a substact. But, you know, we have this cyclospora outbreak, okay? There are maybe 5,000 cases in the country, which is about one per hundred. thousand, give or take. And normally we get

two to three thousand of these cases a year. Okay? So we're about double normal and there appear to be some isolated regions that are getting pretty intense outbreaks. I get it. CDC, public health needs to get in there and figure it out.

But the public health departments are advocating that people stop eating vegetables because of this one per hundred thousand and risk. It's the craziest shit I've ever heard. We are just out of control. And I was so happy to see Vinay Prasad point this out

as well. But apparently Taco Bell has pulled its lettuce from its products because of outbreaks in, I think it's just Michigan and Ohio or the primary outbreaks. I mean, we don't barely have it. We don't have it out here. We still can't get our lettuce on our taco.

Well, look, I've been advocating for years that we should stop eating the food. Our food eats and just switch straight to beef. So, again, it's ridiculous. It's this entire idea. When you look at the way that people value things, whenever we end up being run by people that are risk-averse or it's all about preventing harm, that's their primary focus. This is the sort of thing you get, is that anything, there's anything potentially harmful,

we've got to shut everything down. It's also what you get when you get an overly litigious society that believes that the primary way to get rich in this country is to sue somebody or to become a victim. And so I think we've got several different conflicting ideologies which have created this kind of perfect storm, which again, on one side, it leads to people not being willing to take any risk whatsoever. And on the other side, it comes up with this nanny state that has constantly got to regulate all of our activities to make sure that none of us hurt each other or hurt ourselves. And it's, quite frankly, it's pathetic. You would have never, you would have never, you would have never settled this continent or had Westwood expansion or broad civilization to the wild with the, you know, administrative state that we're currently, we're currently saddled with. And you're out there talking to young men.

Are you getting any traction? Are they willing to fight back? Yes. In fact, well, here's what you see. You actually see two different, two larger categories. There's a lot of different subsets. but one category is completely bought into it. And they essentially believe that the way that they're going to get ahead of life is they've just become really good allies.

They've just recognized that they're, they're of course horrible. And the solution is for them to become more feminine. So you've got one group that's decided that. I would argue, we'll say three groups. There's a third group that has decided that they hate all of this. It just sucks. And their role is to now become a barbarian. They want to become strong.

They want to become capable, not so that they can build up civilization, but so they can make everybody who did this to them pay. And then you've got this third group. And this third group is what I'm betting on to save civilization. And the third group is the kind that is reintroducing themselves to faith, reintroducing themselves to the kind of masculinity that actually built civilization. And they're the sort of people. They want to be strong. They want to be capable.

They're rejecting the feminist narrative. They're rejecting the woke narrative. But they want to be strong and capable and service to something greater to themselves. And that's what we need more of. And that's what I'm encouraged by. Because when I go speak at college campuses, five years ago, I would have been asked all the typical questions about politics, about campaigns, about candidates, about policies. Now, half the questions I get are about masculinity about what does it mean to be a good man, what does it mean to be a good husband, a good father, a good Christian, a good citizen.

And those are the sort of fundamental questions that you want these young men asking if they don't know the answers. But you want them asking people that's going to put them in the right direction. And so, so no, I'm actually encouraged. I put it this way once. And I was speaking at University of California, Berkeley, you know, a real bastion of conservative thought. And I said, look, I hope you guys understand something. Woke loses.

I don't know who's going to win yet, but woke loses. There is no way that you seize the means of production or fight a revolution or have a takeover of society by an ideology which essentially defines itself by its mental illnesses. That doesn't win. You don't win by alienating young men. The real question is, is who will win? And that's going to be decided by what young men, who young men choose to listen to

and how they choose to develop themselves and most importantly for what purpose. Back to Adam's thing, he calls it safe spaces and octagons. People are going to go one way or the other. And, you know, the safe spaces is California and Oregon. The octagon is Florida and Tennessee and Nevada. And so, and people are,

just segregating. They're segregating along the lines you're talking about. The other thing it reminds me of is how mass formation develops. We're about 20% of people or true believers, 10% are going, hey, these are the barbarians. Hey, what's going on here? I'll have none of this. And about 70% just want to get along. They want to be good. They want to do well and do good. And it's that 70% you're betting on. And I think I mentioned these two last time you were in here, is that young men have asked for now something that I'd never heard before, which they're calling spiritual guidance. Are you hearing that as well?

Oh, absolutely. You really saw a catalyst. What do they mean by that? I think, well, again, I go back to Charlie Kirk. What they're asking for is to believe in something that's transcendent. They don't want to just believe in something because they find it convenient or because it meets some sort of hedonistic need. They want to know it's true.

And if you want to get to the source of truth, I believe, then you have to address the question of God because what actually provides a logically consistent foundation for objective truth and objective morality? And I think that's what a lot of young men are going back to. And Charlie Kirk was a great example of this. I thought it was a very good representative of Christianity. And it was the idea that if you want to believe in something bigger than yourself,

and if there is something bigger than yourself, because that's the most important question, well then you're going to have to answer that question because regardless of what you believe about politics about economics social conditions all that eventually starts with how do you answer the question of God how do you answer the question of objective truth and objective morality and I think that's what a lot of young men are looking for and they don't want to believe in it because they think it's a noble myth they want to believe in something that they actually believe is true and then from There, they want to be able to build their life from that.

Because so much of what we're experiencing right now is an identity crisis. And what I think a lot of people have understood is that you're not going to get your identity exclusively from your profession or from your bench press or even from your marriage. Those things can be positive attributes of your overall identity. But I saw some of the bravest men I ever know, some of the most capable and strongest men I ever know, really struggle with what happened when all of a sudden they left the military because their identity had been so locked in the fact that they were a soldier, they were a Green Beret or a Special Forces operator. And the thing that I tell young men is my identity is first and foremost in Christ. I'm proud of professional accomplishments. And I'm certainly, I certainly get a great deal of meaning and purpose from the fact that I'm a husband and the fact that I'm a father.

I take a great deal of pride in the fact that I'm an American and I love my country. but ultimately you have to find something that all that can be rooted in that is objective and transcendent and I think that's what young men mean so there's another issue that men are faced with I think about Gavin Newsom's wife the public comments she has been making about first of all how toxic men are and how she doesn't understand why her son's like watching sports and you know it's toxic you and that women need to be more represented in the workplace. So I'm looking now at data from the last 12 months. And here I will quote it,

women accounted for 77 to 86% of all net new payroll jobs in the United States over the last 12 months. Total share of jobs, women currently hold 50.02%, just over 50%. what are men supposed to do? What do they expect? It really, I told my son's entrepreneur, figure it out, go build something. Because men have an instinct to build.

Yeah, I think you're right. And I think more and more, the more we have left-wing ideological capture of culturally shaping institutions, whether it's education, whether it's our credentialing institutions, whether it's corporate America, the more they want to push out men. And again, it's this fattish luxury idea that we're pursuing right now, but it doesn't really work. I do understand why Gavin Newsom's wife thinks men are toxic. It's because she predominantly hangs out with leftist man. Right?

She's married to a toxic man. She's married to the worst of the worst, yes. That's funny. She's married to a guy that, you know, sleeps with his best friend's wife. She's married to a guy that has no idea how to manage a state. And again, I say this flippantly, but it's something my wife also experienced. My wife also ran for office in Virginia. And when she ran for office, she noticed something.

And that was whenever she would have an interaction with a leftist man, it was almost like it was perfectly appropriate for them to yell and to scream and to call her the most horrible things. Never when I was around, I noticed, but they would call her the most horrible things because it was almost like they had permission. She was one of the women that wasn't entitled to this protection because she didn't buy into a feminist narrative or a leftist narrative. And so there's a lot of bad. There's a lot of actual genuine misogyny. The problem is, is the left doesn't find it on the right. They find it in the left. And then they think that that's extrapolated to all men. And that's how you end up with guys like Graham Platner running for office. And gosh, if only there had

been some sign that he was a bad dude. There was literally a sign, literally. Let's take a little break here. When we come back, I want to talk a little Platner. I want to talk a little luxury beliefs. You drop that in there, and I want to dig a little deeper on that. And we'll send people to your X, which is Nick J. Freitas. Is that correct? Yes. And the book? Or can they get that? The man book? You can get the man book pretty much anywhere you would buy a book. And we get back. We're going to get into the details about what you observed over in the UK, and it pertains to grooming gangs, which is sounds, to me sounds like

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I'm guessing that's where you got it, no? Yeah. And his story is, I know Rob Well, and I read his book a couple of times, he got his shit together because of the military. It helped him. It saved him. and when he got out, he went on the GI Bill, went to Yale, and there what he found was all these young people that have no idea what is to live in an environment of poverty like he grew up,

and they were telling him how he should believe, what he should do, what should, you know, what the solutions should be for him, and clearly did not understand the nature of the problem even. No, no. Well, and again, they live in a very insulated environment, and you look at a lot of the ideologies that have become very popular within academia, not just recently for, I would say, for quite some time. Many of these are ideas that have been tried.

It's not as if politicians, bureaucrats, mid-level administrators, academics, having it given it the old college try, as we say. It's just produced horrible results. And instead of reevaluating it based off of the experience that we see within history, it's been this very arrogant notion that, well, just the right people weren't in charge. If only people as good and as noble as them were in charge, then it would work. And it doesn't seem to matter how much devastation is left in the wake before they do it. It's crazy.

Well, speaking of that sort of suicidal empathy, as Gad SADSAD would call it, the UK seems on an ideological ship to destruction that is based in suicidal empathy. Tell me about grooming gangs and what you saw over there. Well, so we sat down, we talked to various people that have either been investigating the grooming gangs, have watched what's going on with kind of immigration in general in the UK. And it's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking because I don't think Americans can quite understand the scale when we talk about it. I know when I was first researching what was going on with the, it was first called grooming gangs. A more appropriate name for it would be Pakistani rape gangs because it was done predominantly by Pakistani, either immigrants to the U.S.

UK. And what was going on is the sheer scale of this is some, you'll say 55 different cities and towns across the UK, some go as high into the 80s. But essentially what was happening is there was there was kind of a regular process that was used where a lot of girls, which oftentimes found themselves in difficult family situations were being groomed by various men. And they were starting as young as 11, 12, 13 years old. They would give them free rides. They would give them alcohol. They would give them cigarettes. They would give them drugs. They would give them free takeaways. It's what they call takeout in the UK. And what would eventually happen is they gained their trust. And then over time, multiple men would assault them. They would videotape it. And when you start to listen to the testimony of what these girls were going through, they had created conditions where all these girls felt at this point that they were either in love with their attackers.

Or they just felt like there was no way that they could escape them. The consequences either through physical abuse or through just the social destruction or their reputations, because of things that were videotaped. And this is not something that's been going on for five or ten years. This is something that's been now going on for decades. And you don't count the victims in the thousands. Some of the initial reports, it was like 1,400 out of, you know, Rotherham. No, it's in the hundreds of thousands at this point.

And we don't have a complete number, but definitely in the hundreds of thousands. And what is so frustrating is that obviously you can't hide something of that scale. And so you had testimony from victims talking about how law enforcement was involved, which would be bad. And it is. That's horrific. But I think the other thing that speaks to what I see with kind of a crisis of masculinity is the number of officers that would be called to a scene that didn't want to act because they were more afraid of being called a racist or Islamophobic and what that would do to their careers than they were about helping girls that had been. trapped in and had been repeatedly abused and raped by these men, where you would see a police force that was far more eager to prosecute mean tweets

than they were to go after people that were taking place in systemic rape. And then you see this one individual, this one rape gang leader that finally got arrested, tried, and convicted since to 22 years. And the first thing that you think to yourself is 22 years with over 30 counts of rape of girls as young as 12 years old, The guy only got 22 years. And then it gets worse. He got let out at 14.

For what? Good behavior? He gets let out of 14. And now they can't even deport him because of an archaic law in the books from 1971. And so you find yourself in a situation where you talk to these families that are showing up to this United Kingdom rally. And the Labor Party and even some elements of the Tories are dismissing these people as just a bunch of far right-wing activists. And I went there and I just asked him. I said, can you just tell me why you're here?

And you're sitting here talking to a young Welsh family with a couple of kids. And these guys are not white supremacists. These are not people that want to kick everybody out of the country who doesn't look like them. These are just people that are terrified of what happened to young girls all over the UK and don't understand why their government is unwilling to do anything about it. And then the moment these people show up, they're automatically categorized as racist or far-right extremists. And you're getting to a point where young men in the UK, they're already going out, they're already starting to train.

And I don't mean trained to do violence upon innocent people, but they're starting to train because they honestly believe that they've gotten to a place where the two-tier police in the UK is so bad. And you see this with the young man that was recently stabbed, and then his attacker accuses him of being racist, and the British police let him bleed out because, my gosh, you know, the worst thing that could possibly happen would be accused of being racist, not helping a stabbing victim that doesn't meet the right demographics. And what I see

going on in the UK right now, and I heard it repeatedly. And I didn't just hear it from people that had showed up to March at the United Kingdom rally. I heard it from multiple academics. I heard it from people in the House of Lords. And you asked them, like, how long do you have to save your country right now? And all of them said between five to 10 years. I take that back. I take that back. There was one young man who looked me dead in the eye and said, we've already lost it. I'm here because I think we have an opportunity to take it back. But it's not hard to see why they believe this when you would have fathers that would call the police.

And they had showed up to an apartment building where their daughters were being kept. And they've showed up. They've called the police. And they're pounding on the doors. And they say, my daughter is inside. They're being abused. My daughter's inside. Go get them.

Let me go get him. And the police arrested them. There is only so long. that people will put up with that. And if they cannot trust, if they cannot trust the institutions that are supposed to be there to protect them,

to protect their daughters from something like this, then there is a point where they will take matters into their own hands and to expect anything less is absurd. And the UK, I would argue,

is probably about 10 years further down the road than we are in the United States. But if we don't learn from the lessons that they're facing right now, because they've already, you talked to them, they've already accepted that there's no way to completely peacefully fix this problem. There's going to be chaos.

And it is sad to watch because, look, I'm a very proud American, but I also recognize that my country was built by English settlers. It was originally founded by English settlers with English common law and English traditions. And you look at a country with over a thousand years of very proud history that are now struggling to identify with what it means to be British. because this ideology has taken root in pretty much every culturally shaping institution in the UK, from their government to their schools to the Church of England. And you see this remnant. You see this remnant of Englishmen and women that want to take it back. And, you know, there's so much, there's so much beauty, so much history in the UK, my family got a chance to see it.

It was wonderful. We enjoyed every minute of it. But you go to the Tower of London and you see that and it's exactly what you expected to look like. And then you walked six blocks and you would think you were in Dachau, Bangladesh. So. Well, I saw a couple of British-British Instagram posts recently where they are pinning some hopes on the French. Marine Le Pen is been released from her, or at least been downgraded on her ridiculous. Trump.

She was attacked lawfare. Same stuff Trump went through. and now she's going to run for president. She's got 55% of the vote last I heard. And they there began realizing about four years ago that what it is to be French may not exist very shortly. And the French are very quick to run back the other direction when it comes to that issue.

So let's see if they're able to do so. But the thing that caught my attention to what you just said about these people that raise any issue as it pertains to these grooming gangs are called Far Right. That's the insult they use to dismiss people. You're far right, far right. These guys are just traditional left.

You're far right. That makes you a Nazi and therefore we can't listen to you. I think people need to. Americans need to understand that term from the European experience. When they say far right, they mean Nazi. But the other thing I think is important to point out here is that there has been a difference. And we've seen it here in the United States as well. You know, serving in the legislature, I got very used to Democrat colleagues calling me a racist or a sexist.

whenever I disagreed with them on tax policy. And I understood what they were doing. They were trying to rob me of my moral legitimacy so they didn't have to engage with my arguments. But something has changed and what has changed in the United States and it's already seen it reflected in the UK. Or we can look at the UK and look at our future here. They're not just trying to rob you of your moral legitimacy anymore.

Now they're calling you things which suggest that you're a threat or that you're committing an act of violence purely by existing or expressing your opinions. And when someone goes from trying to rob you of your moral legitimacy to trying to characterize you as an act of threat, what they're really trying to do is they're trying to justify their excuse to use violence against you. And you see this with the UK with respect to, you know,

arresting people over what they say, pretty innocuous things on social media in the UK can get you arrested. And that's the part that we need to be concerned about, is that they're not going to be satisfied with robbing you, your moral legitimacy. They want to be able to create a moral framework where they can commit an aggressive act of violence against you and pretend it's self-defense. But thank God, thank God we have the First Amendment here. And they do not. They do not have that. And the second. And the whole story, and the second. And the whole story of grooming to me just sounds like what sort of pimps have done

forever and human traffickers have done forever. But the part of the story that's really where it jumps off the rail is the police unwilling to do anything about this and framing it as an immigrant problem rather than as a criminal act, right? Well, it's my father who was LAPD and he saw some changes that were happening in LAPD early on. And I remember there was a time where I was going to get out of the military and join and he He goes, don't join the LAPD, Nick.

He said, Dad, you love this department. Why not? He goes, I'm watching it change before my eyes, and you need to understand something. People get the police department that they ultimately ask for. And what they're asking for in a lot of these major metropolitan centers is they don't want brave men and women that are going to go out and prevent crime from happening or punish bad people. They want social workers. And what it ends up happening is they're going to get a department where they're going to get this sort of department where the sort of men and women that actually want to go out and defend the innocent. longer feel comfortable working there. But the sort of people that want to be social workers with

a gun or the sort of people that want to be able to intimidate people that don't think the right way, they're now going to be the ones enforcing the law. And they're going to enforce it very selectively. And that's the sort of thing that you see happen in the UK right now in a lot of, in a lot of areas, not everywhere. There's still a lot of men and women serving in uniform over there that absolutely want to protect innocent people. But it's amazing how when you get a particular political ideology in place, it ends up electing the senior leadership, which ended up creating an entirely different culture. And that's what you see taking place in law enforcement, not just in the UK, but we're starting to see it take place in law enforcement agencies in the United States as well.

And very lastly here, was Platner their attempt to sort of bring in a manly man? This is what they thought they were doing with that guy? Yeah, they keep failing with this miserably. The first attempt was Tim Wals. And they said, oh, Tim Wals is a assistant assistant football coach. And he was in the military. That must be what men are looking for, right? It's like, well, no, we don't like this guy. We don't like this guy. And then it was like, oh, James Talarico, that's what Christians want, right? No, no, we don't want heretics pretending to be Christians. You know, and now it's this, oh, you must want, you must want Graham Platner. It's like, no, no, no, we're not the fascists. We don't like these guys. We don't like guys who treat women this way.

We don't like guys that want to micromanage our life through the government. There is no remaining version of leftist male that they can run. And so they keep having these failed launches because they fundamentally don't like masculinity. Because traditional masculinity are what I argue for, which is biblical masculinity, wants to play a certain role in society. We want to be protectors. We want to be providers. We want to be honorable.

We want to defend the truth. And I'm sorry, but that sort of man that got run out of the Democratic Party a long time ago. And he, I can't believe he keeps defending his behavior and stuff. That is just so talking about not manly, not masculine. Well, listen, Nick, I appreciate it's always great to talk to you and I appreciate he's been a little time with us. Nick J. Fratos on Instagram and X and the right in the man book. Do read it.

Get it for your young male friends and you have a podcast as well, correct? Yeah, we do. It's called Making the Argument. You just look for Nick J. Freitas on YouTube. You can find it on there. Fantastic. Talk to you soon. Thank you, sir.

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There you are. Great, you're good with you, Dr. Drew. Thank you. My question, my opening question is, are they, I mean, we had this recent shutdown of part of Clod. Are they fearful of trying to stealing how our AI is working, or are they in fact already doing that? Yeah, so what it is, Dr. Drew is that the. these models, the Fable Mythos, what the concern is, is that they will have cybersecurity exploits. And so if you introduce those models and our systems aren't ready, our infrastructure's not

ready, banking systems aren't ready, potentially even missile systems and so forth, you introduce cybersecurity threats. And so the government hit the pause button on this. In many ways, it's kind of a backhanded compliment to the power of Anthropics new models. and those security patches were made. But I think this is really, I think the important thing to understand is that, you know, the CCP has had since 2017 a very determined drive to, by 2030, gain global dominance. And as I say, you know, we have to beat China without becoming China.

Nobody wants to live in a techno-authoritarian surveillance state. At the other side of that, we've got to be able to race ahead and have those innovations. So the administration, Emil Michael, Vice President of Advance, they have one. work through, and I think they have a far more consistent and smooth process now moving forward for model deployment. How do we prevent being brainwashed by AI either deployed domestically or from abroad? Yeah, so on the domestic side, there is a real concern about bias. Every peer-reviewed academic journal article, which is kind of amazing when you think about it,

right, I mean, academia is not exactly right-leaning, has found a left-leaning political bias. in modern LLMs, in enterprise level in LLMs, large language models. And so you have this sort of thumb on the scale. Now, I think that that is going to only get worse as you see, the pendulum swing politically because they know that they are incumbent upon the administration for regulatory approvals, for their energy buildouts, their data centers, and so forth. So on the domestic side, the concern is that AI is used as a political weapon for bias, even far beyond the bias that we have seen traditionally in mainstream establishment news.

On the other hand, for the domestic, on the international side, you are absolutely going to continue to see steroidal growth in the communication operations that are taking, influence operations. We're already seeing that. We know that Russia and the CCP are very much engaged in weaponizing AI right now against American interests to dominate the AI race. And so one of the things I think we have to understand is why this matters, right? Let's frame the stake. So the reason when we hear this thing about we've got to win the AI race, you know, a lot of people say, oh, that's just a bunch of marketing hype from big tech.

They just want to make more money and the rest of it. I'm sure they do. You know, they are capitalists. and I support free market capitalism like I think most of us do. But there's really two main things that we have to understand here. One is the economic stakes, okay? 40% of the S&P 500 is constituted around the MAG 7, our magnificent 7, the seven American dominant tech players, which obviously make up so much of the AI space.

So I want everybody to really think about that's a tent pole economically for America. And the CCP certainly understands the economic side of it. of this because we saw when R1 DeepSeek, China's AI model was released, you had the single biggest market cap loss in American history of an American company, Nvidia, 600 billion, almost two-thirds of a trillion dollar wipeout in a single day. So what are we saying? We're saying there's this economic, you know, tug of war that we have to win. But I think the real thing that most of us care about more than that is the national security side, right? And so our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines, and the battle that you are seeing as it relates to national security. Now, what does that

look like? Well, in AI, there is a theoretical construct called RSI, recursive self-improvement. And this real simply is the theoretical point when the AI can update and recursively update and improve its own code. Once you hit that theoretical point, if and when that occurs, you're on a an exponential and whoever gets there first will have supreme full-spectrum battlefield dominance in things like cybersecurity, hacking of missile systems, hacking of infrastructure and the software. So this is not just a marketing thing when we hear, oh, we got to beat China, okay? The president has laid out, I think, a very, very clear course of why it's essential. And I'll tell you, Dr. Drew, I am increasingly encouraged on this particular part.

that we are starting to see more bipartisan understanding of the stakes and why we have to win. That's good. How will we know we're there? Will it be obvious? Right. Right. This is the smart question, which is, you know, it's a broken metaphor. A race generally has a finish line. This one does not have a sort of demarcation point that makes it super obvious. One would be that if and when we do hit RSI, if and when that were to occur, again, that is a theoretical contract. I want to just be really clear. Two, everybody, here's this term, AGI, artificial general intelligence, the point at which AI has the capacity of almost every cognitive ability of a human.

Demis Hasibis, Mustafa Suleiman at Microsoft AI, Dario Amadeh at Anthropic. Most of the predictions of the AI Titans are that we're looking at potentially hitting AGI by 2030. okay, so that is right around the corner. And that actually is right on par with this CCP goal. I think the RSI and the AGI elements, whoever gets there first, you really are going to see as a declared winner. But the battle will never be over. This is going to be a new frontier.

And that's kind of why I wrote, you know, Code Red was that this is a whole new lexicon. Not just in terms of tech, but the power implications for education policy, health policy, as you know, better than anybody on the planet, and medicine and science. I think there's going to be a lot of really wonderful, beneficial opportunities. I call them roses. But I think there's going to be a lot of landmines, particularly politically, by those who want to weaponize fear around things like mass job loss to use toward pushing toward things like universal basic income, wealth redistribution, a global economic reset, and so forth. And so I really did this very deep dive, and I spent many years going through this.

and looking at what the Titans themselves say, right? Let's just quote them in their own words. And I don't think a lot of people know the backgrounds, people understand the ideology and the political donations and the philosophical and political motivations of many of these folks who have been working on this for many, many years. And I will say that. We say that AI is just a tool.

You've heard that often. It's just a tool. It is a tool, but it's not just the tool. It's political power, and it's going to be increasingly how we determine who comes home alive and dead on a battlefield. If you're talking about autonomous warfare, it's going to determine if we erase or create jobs. And certainly, whether we get through an indoctrination lens or an education lens in terms of education. But I hold out a lot of promise for AI. I say I'm an AI optimist, but a political realist.

And that's why I think we've just all as parents and educators and, and, and, and, people who care about children and our grandchildren, we've just got to get coached up. Are you worried about the job issue that people seem so absolutely mortified about that's going to steal everybody's job? It seems to me just if history is any lesson, you know, there are changes in the employment landscape with every, you know, every evolution of technology and then more jobs are created typically. So this is, I think, the most, this is one of the most axial issues.

And let's really understand what's going on. And there's 5D chess game being played here. Okay. One, Mustafa Suleiman at Microsoft AI says that in the next 12 to 18 months, Dr. Dr. Not 18 years, 12 months to 18 months, we are looking at the ability to replace 100% of white collar job tasks. That would be clear and fair to him, he's not saying. jobs are all going to go away in 12 months. He's saying the task, the bundle of tasks we do.

Dario Amade, of course, at Anthropic, who you started the discussion, he is saying that within the next 12 months to five years, we're going to see the white bout of 50% of white collar entry-level jobs. Now, this is our kids, our college kids, the kids that, you know, we're all rooting for, they got a big old college loan. And now what we're hearing is from, you know, the tech architects is, oh, by the way, they're going to get crushed. And then, of course, we're Of course, Elon Musk said that we're going to be looking at universal high income because you are going to see, quote, as he calls it, AI is a, quote, supersonic tsunami, end quote, headed toward humanity. Now, here's what we need to all think through. One, you could say that's a bunch of marketing hype to get investor dollars and to just be able to get their CAPEX and all that. On the other hand, if you believe that those things are true, what it gives is massive leverage

for the forces who have for over a decade within Silicon Valley been working concertedly toward universal basic income, UBI, wealth redistribution. Who are some of those people? In 2016, a young man went on a blog and said he was going to conduct the largest UBI study in American history. He was going to chip in 14 million of his own dollars to study, longitudinal, study was several years and it was a $60 million study. He said on his blog, the reason he was going to do it is he thought technology was going to create the need for this in the future

and that he thinks it will be silly that we thought we should use the human motivation of fear of not eating in order to have economic flourishing. He did exactly what he said he was going to do. The study turned out to be kind of a wash. But that young man's name was Sam Altman at OpenAI. Now, that was Dr. Drew in 2016. When did ChatGPT, its front-facing public release happened? November of 2022. Why is he thinking years in advance about how to have massive universal basic income? So I think the political game is being played.

Now, I would just say this, though. One of the things that I would advocate for all of us is a little humility. I'm really speaking to myself, certainly here too, is that if you think it's a lot of high, The problem with just thinking that it's exactly like the Industrial Revolution, Mustafa Suleiman, Microsoft AI, CEO puts it this way. He says, that was the scaling of the moving of atoms, physical manual labor. This is the scaling of human cognition. And once you do that, you get to a point where, again, this idea of artificial general intelligence,

you have the ability to scale infinitely. Yes, there will be new jobs created, he says, but those two will be able to be done by what's called agentic AI, agent-based AI, AI that's text to action. It actually does the work into end. And that's why this concern about white collar more than the blue collar. So ironically, remember years ago, Dr. Drew, we were told that blue collar workers were told, learn the code. It was kind of the snobby, elitist, you know, learn to code. Now the electricians in the place. Plummers are saying learn to plum and learn to wire.

Become a good, no, it's become a good builder. We're going to have to build stuff. That's all we're going to be one of our utilities is going to be using our hands. Again. They're power plants and data center. Tell me, though, I'm curious, you know, you mentioned how there's a bias in the AI, and I'm certainly aware of it. I feel like when I ask any of the AI a significant question,

I have to know the topic a little bit. And I end up always going, hey, why did you choose the data or the point of view that I just saw on CNN last night on ABC News and NBC when there's this data? And without exception, every time the AI goes, oh, that's a really good point. Thank you for correcting me. You're right. And then a whole different point of view. But they just parrot what's on the nightly news, essentially. that being said, other than just being biased,

is there anything sort of active or sinister in terms of a persuasion or brainwashing activity that we're likely to see from political parties or, again, from people like CCP from the outside? Absolutely, there are. You've touched on the sort of sycophantic nature. It's the ultimate yes man that wants to please and tell you what you want to hear. The problem, though, is that depending upon the way that the guardrails of an LLM are set up, you can go into some very, very dark places. We're seeing suicidal coaching by AI to young people who want to go down that road.

I know that you know this area better than just about anybody. Also, you're seeing, of course, the hypersexualization content there. In terms of the CCP, though, there's no question. I'll give you an example. So if you are using Deepseek, which is the Chinese LLM, and you ask it about Tiananmen Square Massacre, I know this is going to shock you, you are shut down immediately or you get some kind of CCP propaganda spin. And there are several peer-reviewed studies that have shown demonstrably that type of bias. For the U.S. side, I think that even within all of the major LLMs, I mean, Some of them are even on the issue of things like this. For example, if you ask Microsoft co-pilot, can a man become a woman? Or can a man be a woman?

It says absolutely. Gender is just a social construct. And it even gives you a rainbow emoji flag, unprompted. So this battle over reality and how we define it is far deeper than just this question of, oh, it sucks up to me or it's the ultimate yes man. Ultimately, what an LLM. to strip it down to its base, it is a next tick token prediction. It's a fancy auto complete, a highly complex auto complete that is looking for the next wording succession. However,

it also has a layer of values-based layer over top of that and a political layer over top of that. And so you can dial that up to be woke as you want, a woke AI as you want, or you can have it to be a more objective arbiter of facts. And I think this is the real question for. educators. I taught for many years at a small little rural college. These are young people that had a lot of dreams, but they didn't have a lot of money. I think AI tutors, if they are pedagogically sound and non-woke, can be an enormous benefit for low-income folks or people that just don't have access. At the other side, you know, if those are woke AI, you're going to get an indoctrination machine. Well, I want to ask that question again, perhaps in a different way. I think,

it was at the beginning the chat TPT was definitely sure but but there are persuasion techniques that brainwashers use is AI going to be doing that kind of thing on its own

or somebody from China going to be deploying it I mean you know what I mean that those sorts of Chaldean I think is Chaldini I think the guy's name is you know if it's programmed into the AI from the CCP couldn't they persuade somebody to do almost anything?

They absolutely can, and there have been studies that show it is a master manipulator when you remove those guardrails. You can use NLP, neurolinguistic programming, which are syntactical and lexical, rhetorical tactics of persuasion and propagandists who know how to do it in a very subtle way so that it does not appear as though it's like a hard cell. you can nudge people's attitude, nudge people attitudeally toward different policy positions. This has been shown to be demonstrably the case. I have in Code Red, I go through when with the last election, one study found that literally 10, 100% of all the LLMs were biasing their policy answers, not just vote candidate answers against Donald Trump and for Kamala Hera.

Right? Now, it didn't end up making too much of a difference. But in the end, if you turn those signal systems up, you absolutely can use those kinds of high-level, you know, stealth kind of persuasion, neurolinguistic programming method. Methods. So should we be educating people to understand how to identify it, see it, know what's coming at them, even though I know it can be undetectable, essentially? but maybe there's ways to ready people for this war. Absolutely. I think, first of all, whatever the regulation that ends up happening, there's going to always be battles about laws and regulations, and that's all fine and good. And we need to have those debates and that's healthy.

The end of the day, as we all know, especially with kids and technology, most kids are more proficient in programming their mom and dad or grandparents' iPhone than they'll ever be. Right. So the kids are going to find the workarounds and the jail breaks and so forth. So number one, parents have to know what's going on. They've got to get coached up. It's a very fast-moving environment. Number two, I don't want us to just say, oh, we got to, you know, go the way of the Luddites and put our head in the sand and not take benefit because there's going to be a lot of benefit here from, again, pedagogically sound, non-woke, guardrail safe, AI. I, at the same time, I'm very concerned, particularly as it relates to education and parents

and how we help our kids with this, that we make sure we're not engaged in cognitive offloading and erosion of critical thinking skills. There's a lot of studies that have shown that if the child is using this as a crutch, not as a supplement, that it can erode those critical thinking skills. So the way I would say it is three simple layers. One, the classic trivium, right? Grammar, logic, rhetoric, the good, found. that have served us for centuries of critical thinking. Number two, entrepreneurial techniques.

I think the future, Dr. Drew, is going to be teaching our kids how to create jobs, not to just apply for jobs. So what does that look like? How to learn to whatever her or his little passion is to be able to learn how do you set up an LLC? How do you build a website? How do you do advertising. How do you put social media? So the second layer of the pyramid is the entrepreneurial, and then the third is the AI tools. If we do that pyramid, I think we've got the best of antiquity and critical thinking. We've got the best of understanding how to future-proof our kids for entrepreneurship, and then we've got the turbocharging of the AI. That's going to be the best moat. I agree. Tell me lastly about Code Red. So this was a, you were very kind of,

to mention all the books from the ghostwriting side. I didn't want to write this book. I felt like I needed to. And I wrote this book. It took me two years doing a deep dive in AI. At Breitbart as a social media director, I've seen, you know, very up close the games that big tech will play against right of center people and the way that demonetization wars and so forth. And so I really wanted to get everybody on board so that we could seize the upside. But I'll also avert the landmines that are coming. And I think there's going to be a lot of both. And I'm very hopeful about it. So this was not, I didn't want to do a Dumer book. At the same time, I didn't want to be naive. And so I wanted to create what I called Code Red. It's a double meaning.

Code red, obviously, an alert and alarm. But code, we need a set of principles for the red side, the people who see the world kind of a center right perspective of how do we navigate through everything from education policy to human relationships, national security, economics, and like you said, you know, jobs and education. So it was a passion project and I was just very, very grateful, came out on the New York time bestseller list first week. Right. Sounds like an important book. Winton underscore Hall is where you should find Winton. Before you go, Winton. Go get Code Red. I have a question. She's worried about China. No, it's not China this time. Believe it or not, I'm I'm okay. So today I was talking to Brian O'Shea, who's a big China expert anyways. And he,

I was talking about reintroducing my show. I did a show on psychic mediums and I produced it and I posted it and everything. But he mentioned something about using AI to help me with these I used to do everything by myself. I'm an entrepreneur. I gave people jobs. I always create like I book. I interview, I put together ideas, and I get the show together. But I was like, well, shoot, I never really thought this could probably help me. If I could plug in my ideas and have it give me back, you know, my format. Caleb could show you exactly how to do this with Clyde. But yeah, but I'm actually, I'm outsourcing myself with AI.

Like I'm giving AI my job, basically. No, no. No, no. It's more than that. AI, AI wouldn't replace you at all in this case, Susan. So it's basically you have to put all of your strategy and your understanding about your show, the demographic, what's worked into a very large document so that it understands it. You first you have to do that and then feed that to the AI and then ask it questions. You can't just ask like general questions. That's why it's like a lot of people I see them trying that and it doesn't work because it's garbage in, garbage out or nothing and nothing out. You're going to get generic results.

But if you have that document, that's what I used to help guide me with our own strategy for the show. It's I have like a 48 to 100 page long document that I've been building over the past year with case studies and data and which shows worked and which ones didn't. And so I get good results that come back out of it. But it wouldn't replace you. How do I? No, I want to replace me. I want to push the button and replace me. No. Wrong direction. Don't tell the AI that. Damn it.

All right, Wynne, we appreciate you being here. Love the book, and no doubt we'll talk to you again soon. Thank you so much, Dr. Drew. Appreciate you. You got it. And coming up, Caleb, let's see what's ahead for us. I know we got Uncle Cliff in there coming up. Is that tomorrow?

Yep, tomorrow Joshua Lysak. It would be very interesting, Naomi Wolf, Andrew Yang, speaking of universal basic income. I want to look at whether or not Sam Altman has changed his opinion with that study. Steve Hilton. coming in. Tom Reds, there's just a lot coming your way. And we'll be on the road of bits. We'll be in different places when we do these things. And there'll be some choppiness in September, Susan, or August. We'll be, we have a miss a couple shows in August.

No. When we're at Kennedy's thing. Oh, at the beginning of August. Yeah, we'll miss come. The first week of August is going to be dark. We have one show with Cat Timp in studio on the, on that Monday. And then we fly to. and Lenai for Kennedy's wedding. We're like, you hit a certain age and you go to a lot of weddings. It's true. It's true.

And I'm leaning into it. I'm getting into it. Now that I've had a successful wedding for my daughter last weekend, it's like, oh, all my friends are here. They like doing this. So now I'm going to like doing it too. It turned out okay. It turned out to it.

I'm very, very relieved and grateful. Okay. Well, thank you all for being here. We are at 4 o'clock tomorrow Wednesday. We'll see you then. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. Emily Barsh is our content producer. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis, or treatment.

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