Ask Dr. Drew - Nicole Shanahan: The Future Of Robert F. Kennedy Jr’s Presidential Campaign & Her Goals Of A “Healthy & Livable Planet” – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 395

Episode Date: August 27, 2024

“I think that Friday is going to be one of the biggest events in American election history,” Nicole Shanahan predicted on Ask Dr. Drew. Watch the full August 21, 2024, interview on Rumble, X (formerly Twitter) and YouTube. Nicole Shanahan is an attorney, tech entrepreneur, and Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s running mate in the 2024 presidential election. She founded ClearAccessIP and is the president of Bia-Echo Foundation, focusing on governance, equality, agriculture, and health. She is a Stanford Law School CodeX fellow and philanthropist who invests in projects that tackle issues like “reproductive equality and longevity, criminal justice reform, a healthy and livable planet, and more.” Find more at https://kennedy24.com and follow her at https://x.com/NicoleShanahan 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • CAPSADYN - Get pain relief with the power of capsaicin from chili peppers – without the burning! Capsadyn's proprietary formulation for joint & muscle pain contains no NSAIDs, opioids, anesthetics, or steroids. Try it for 15% off at https://drdrew.com/capsadyn • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • TRU NIAGEN - For almost a decade, Dr. Drew has been taking a healthy-aging supplement called Tru Niagen, which uses a patented form of Nicotinamide Riboside to boost NAD levels. Use code DREW for 20% off at https://drdrew.com/truniagen • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This episode was broadcast live from Nicole Shanahan's home on Wednesday, August 21st of 2024, before Kennedy's campaign announcement that Friday. Welcome everybody, I'm here today with the one and only Nicole Shanahan. She, of course, is running for Vice President of the United States of America, running mate of RFK Jr. And, you know, we've interviewed RFK Jr. a number of times on this show, so I have all kinds of things to share with her and I have a million questions so I'll

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Did you ever imagine to be running for vice president? This is an easy question to start with, like softball. You ever imagined you'd be running for vice president of the United States of America? I've always been civically inclined. I've always cared a lot. I've always wanted to speak up when it's necessary to speak up on behalf of justice. And I've been involved in politics for well over a decade., usually behind the scenes. But this is a different election. Bobby Kennedy is a different kind of candidate. And I'm really honored to be able to do this work.

I'm really honored to have the opportunity to speak on behalf of individual liberty, mothers. Well, I want to stop you right there. Because individual liberty is sort of why Bobby caught my attention. And when I first interviewed him, he declared that I was doing something brave by even talking to him. This was a few years ago. And I thought something is desperately wrong. If two professionals

can't have a conversation on a public platform and it's brave, that is insane to me. And it was the moment that sort of light bulb went off in my head that we have to do something. And we particularly have to defend speech. That's sort of been my thing ever since. And just as recently as yesterday, somebody was saying, how dare you platform somebody? And I can't help, I'm sorry, Nicole, it's going to be your interview, but I couldn't help talking about this.

Hey, I have been talking to outrageous people in media my entire career, whether it's KKK members or Nazis or criminals, trying to figure out how they tick on a fully executed cable network platform. It's how we learn about people that are outliers so we know how to bring them back or know what they're thinking or try to address it. You go at it. You don't hide it in the closet. It grows if you don't bring things out into the light. Sunshine should be the cure for everything right

now. So that's where I get started. I believe in that both figuratively and literally. Okay. Yeah. And you very kindly gave us some vegetables, which are a product of your sunshine, which I really appreciate. But you were on the record of saying that you were a progressive through and through. I found that quote. Is that, have they changed, left you behind, or do you still call yourself progressive? How do we reconcile the impingement, the intolerance, the name of tolerance by progressives, and still maintain a progressive attitude or point of view? I think something has happened to what historically has been considered liberal

or progressive. They're actually become very intolerant. They've become, I think, real enemies of free speech, unfortunately. It seems like the Bill of Rights seems something questionable to them. It seems dirty. There's something about it that they equate to being American, which they equate to being something with a very terrible history that should be an iconoclastic relationship. Iconoclasm being a throwing out, a complete throwing out of these principles. Because of the power imbalances and colonialism. Yes, that's what underpins. That's the conceit.

Yeah, and that's what qualifies this real behavior to throw out this good preciousness, not even willing to look at the good and preciousness of the Bill of Rights for, you know, pointing out the ills. It's really misguided. I think that it's the product of a predatory group of adults that are using the youth. Professors? You know, I don't know that it's all professors. I do know that, you know, academia is a place that receives a huge amount of money. Like academia is not-

From all over the world. From all over the world. From enemies. Yeah, and, you know, Qatar, who knew? Oman, a huge funder of U.S. academic universities and institutions. And so you have to remember that where we are in 2024 is very, very different than where we were 20 years ago when you were in college, when I was in college. I always thought I was liberal. Liberalism seems to have left me

somewhere on the right. Liberalism, in my definition, has always been about asking questions in a dignified way and listening to dignified responses in a dignified way. I also thought that was journalism, but evidently that's not that anymore. I thought it was science too. Science too, which is mind-boggling to me.

That you have an alternative point. Oh man, you're pushing my buttons. I'm not pushing yours yet. But you people that are taking issue with the outliers, you would be the Spanish Inquisition going after Galileo. That would be you. And those of you who were reporting your neighbors for not wearing a mask, you would be the German prison guards. That's who turns into those things. So if you don't want to be prison guards or Spanish Inquisition, if you historically have felt these were bad things, you really need to examine yourself. Should we get into trouble

again like that? You know, my mom grew up in communist China. She was eight years old when she found her little sister had passed away due to the famine. This is not stuff we should be taking lightly. And you don't have to look that far back in history to understand where this kind of intolerance leads next to, where this kind of hysteria leads, where this manipulation and abuse of the youth leads. So again, I want to stop you. You used the word hysteria. I had never thought about those. You're talking about the Cultural Revolution. We're talking about Nazis. We're talking about fascism in Italy. We're talking about Leninism. These were all political movements, mob movements, interesting bureaucratic movements. They all go back to the Jacobins in Revolutionary France. If you really look at it, that's where it all started. But be that as it may, I was reading a book by Larson

recently about the 1933 Germany. And he was saying, he was reporting through the eyes of the American ambassador in Berlin in 1932 or something. And several of the ambassador employees at the embassy were talking about the hysteria that had gripped the Germans. And I thought, oh, I never realized that the Nazi, also hysterical. It's always an hysteria that whips it into the mob action that it becomes. The totalitarian impulse is a hysterical impulse. Yeah, it is. It's a hysterical impulse. And I try not to fall prey to it, which is why so many of us fell in love with Bobby Kennedy's messaging. His messaging is not, like he takes on these massive topics. He reveals a truth that would make most people hysterical because it's so hard to believe that,

you know, for instance, our FDA is lying to us. He opened my eyes. I couldn't believe, I had trouble going with it. At first I was like, oh, come on. Because I had a different experience of the AIDS pandemic than he reported. And I was like, yeah. And then I just kept listening to him. I'm like, oh my God. You have to really hang with it to get your eyes open. And the only way you cross the chasm of disbelief or you cross the chasm of resistance is by doing so calmly, by presenting your facts, by doing it from a place of wanting to reconcile, doing it from a place of respectful conversation and toning it down in a way that people actually are in the cognitive and their central nervous system is open and receptive to receiving that information. Interesting frame. I like that.

So I know what you're talking about. So, you know, I've been hanging around the campaign quite a bit the whole way. I don't know if you know this. You've done. I've been. But my wife has been on the record. She is a Bobby Kennedy voter. I have been sort of hanging back, but I think I'm there.

I think I'm ready to declare that he's my man. Yeah. In the face of that, were he to do something of the rumors that are flying around here lately? I want him in Washington. That's what I want. Oh, me too. He doesn't even have to be in the Oval Office. As far as I'm concerned, I want that guy in Washington.

Are there other things he's interested in if those things come his way? Has he ever expressed anything? I've never gotten him on the record on that. Like, would he be the Attorney General? Would he be? I don't want him at the FDA so much. I want him overseeing things.

Where do you want him? I want him at the three-letter agency or the justice department. Yeah. That's kind of where I want him. I agree. But I want him where he wants to go. It feels like he can do the most. Agreed. And I think when you get a chance to work with somebody like Bobby, you really have to be there and ready to support his decision and be receptive to how he's thinking about it, how he's talking about it. Let's talk about his campaign. His campaign, right? This is his campaign. I came in as a supporter and as a donor. And you remain that way. And I remain that way. And I'm really effective behind the scenes.

I mean, we put together this Super Bowl ad for him in less than 48 hours. And it was like a 15 second ad, wasn't it? It was just a Kennedy flag, right? Well, so we had no time to put this thing together, nor did we have any assurance that they would actually run the thing. Oh, my. A lot of us were like, we could give them all this money and they're not going to run it. But we took an old JFK ad. That's funny. And I take full responsibility for this. He had nothing to do with it. That's a great ad.

Thank you. Did you get pushback for it? Some, yeah. I mean, it was in the public domain. There was no copyright violation, but we had taken a JFK ad and we had made it modern, which is actually really technically hard to do because it was in a format that's so foreign compared to how we work with digital today. But this was a chance for people to know he was even running because he was being kept out of all

the major press. The press you were hearing about him was so negative, which is why I didn't really pay much attention to his race until quite late. Oh, no kidding. I got there early. Did you? Yeah. Because I was talking to him before he even decided to run. Oh, interesting. And we were talking about vaccines and COVID and what the hell. I was trying to figure out what happened. It was all such a mystery to me because I've never seen my peers behave like that. I've never seen scientists behave like that. I've never seen the CDC behave like that. You know, the thing I kept saying at the end of every sort of comment I made trying to calm people down, I always go, just listen to the CDC.

Listen, Dr. Fauci. It's the only thing I got wrong. That's not what you should be doing you'd be listening to your local trusted official trusted physicians and people who can make risk reward decisions for you well and the ones who could still speak freely i mean that that's few and far between it was very few and far between i mean i was at stanford and I didn't realize that the Great Barrington Declaration was being written down my street because it was completely deplatformed. Have you interviewed Jay Bhattacharya yet? He's wonderful. He's become a good friend. We've had a few public conversations as well.

I host something called Council of the Cancelled. And he was on the first episode of that. We've got another one coming soon too. I would like to be on that. Although I've sort of, I was canceled pretty well. Yeah, I was canceled for daring to tell people to calm down and relax and not get into the panic that they were stirring up. How dare I? And then I had the, I still am being canceled for daring to talk to people who question, let's say, vaccine mandates for a 25-year-old male. Yeah. For where Omicron is my simple point. Omicron has zero risk for a healthy 25-year-old male. The vaccine has a non-zero risk. That's all I need to know to question whether,

not to say you shouldn't take it, but to try to understand whether you should be getting it or not. Pericarditis, yeah, these are non-trivial symptoms that people get after taking the vaccine. When my kids were growing up, whenever they'd get a viral illness, the one thing I would obsess about, please don't let them get myocarditis. That's the dreaded complication of a virus. And it is an emergency. I mean, and it's rare. It's not. So, hmm, interesting. Now, COVID does myocardial stuff too. There's no doubt about it. Mostly in older people, mostly in the alpha and delta age. So, can we just talk about everybody? Why do you have to worry about who gets platformed? It's so weird.

It's so weird. It's weird, but I will point out, I'm grateful that we can still have conversations like this and there are still avenues. Let's see if Twitter can freak us out about it at all. Let's see. Oh, Adam Kroll is calling me. Say hi.

I'll say hi if you want. Should we give him relationship advice? You want me to call him I'll get him on the phone here let's see I'm going to look on Twitter and see if people are freaking out at all

about what we're saying okay if Dr. uses data from a blog he's a grifter or a moron okay thank you genius

okay thank you guys there's some good things in here. Of course, you only see the bad ones. Yeah, I mean, that is an interesting point about social media. I wasn't on social media at all, really, until I joined the campaign. That's fine. And then? but um you know i have to say it is and i say this about technology i'm a technologist from silicon valley the technology has both a very good side and and it has also a very dark side it is an amplifier of the human experience and usually humans go through a dark phase before they really learn how to get the tiger by the tail. You've got to grow up a bit, which is why I think these themes around, are children ready for this kind of exposure?

No, the answer is no. No, I don't think so. I don't know that a 35-year-old is totally ready for it all. I've seen negative stuff. It ruins my day. You can imagine you're 15 or 20 or 25 and somebody takes aim at you from your peer group. Yeah. That'd be just terrible.

Yeah. I read a comment today, too, that got to me. And I don't know why it got to me so much. But I was called, which I find so bizarre, but a cue, a non-trad wife. Oh. I was like, wow. They got you on every aspect of your integrity. Yeah, because you're a scientist, technologist.

You're careful in your positions. Not a conspiracy theorist. I am not. And trad wife, how dare they? Well, look, I mean, I didn't know what a trad wife was until five months ago when I got on social media. But I guess it's this new theme. But it really is used as a slur, a traditional wife. And I don't understand how that became such a negative slur.

I mean, if someone said trad husband, like, is that now a negative? It feels like I would receive that almost as a compliment. Would you? Yeah. I could. Yeah. I mean, like, when I think about a traditional husband, I think about a husband that, you know that has a job, likes to provide, comes home, kisses his wife, kisses his kids, has a dinner with their family and the family's together and asks the kids, how was your day, kids?

What's so wrong with that? I don't know. Well, and you're asking that question at a time when our birth rates are collapsing. Yeah, I discovered that, yeah, through my scientific research many years ago. And that has multiple layers to it. But I think a major contributor is economic

plus cultural, cultural and economic forces where we give people, young people, little ability to imagine they can raise a family financially and little reason to raise a family or not an understanding of what a rich part of life that is. And, you know, I'm a biologist. It is the humbly, it's, and I'm not taking anybody's choices.

Everyone should make their own choices. Of course. But one of our biological purposes is to push the genes forward. Yeah. You know, you can think about it scientifically. You can think about the joys of life. I found in my research, because I had become the largest donor in women's reproductive longevity a few years ago. It was about seven years ago.

I was like, why are women declared geriatric mothers at 35 in the United States when it's very normal in Europe to have a healthy baby at 41? You know, no one questions it in France. And so I started to invest in the science and I realized, one, the scientific literature is almost non-existent. Science has not invested in women and certainly not invested in ovarian function. And then secondarily, once I started to dig in, I realized that there are many things that impact fertility, human health, even the psychology that goes into fertility. You know, I have one scientist that I fund who says fertility starts in the brain. It is a neuroendocrine system. It is.

It is one system. It's just one has little wires where the chemicals are released to communicate. The other, the chemicals are released into the bloodstream. Exactly. Same phenomenology, though. Yeah. Yeah. I love talking to biologists about these

topics. And there's many things that can influence that process. Well, I told you before we heated up, true nitrogen, everybody, Kat Timp got pregnant because of true nitrogen. She was struggling. They were on fertility treatment. I told her to take it. How long did it take her to get pregnant, Susan, maybe a month or something. She was pregnant like a couple weeks. I just take the true diogen. And I did that interview with Dr. Aime. Oh, there it is. And she says, slowly get up to a thousand milligrams a day. That's her fertility specialist I was talking to. Yeah. And that has to do a lot with mitochondrial health. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. And so much of scientific research over the last decade has gone into genomics, which I think is a really big mistake. Billions of dollars have gone into genomics when really I think that money should have gone into metabolomics.

And I think had we invested in cellular metabolic health, which is what that vitamin addresses and what many fertility issues are actually pertaining to. Well, let's frame it and say, I think, talking about CRISPR technology and things like that. And the reason we got down that road was if we can control the gene, we can prevent the cell from aging or the gene expression or disease or aging, which may be one day, but God knows what untoward effect it will cause with that. In the meantime, our sarcopenia, our overall metabolism, our insulin resistance, all these different issues are completely out of line. So our health longevity is going to be shortened unless we pay attention to that. Well, it already is. I mean, most of these chronic diseases are related to metabolic function. And food. And food, which impacts metabolic function. I mean, all of the things that impact mitochondrial function, it's quite vast. And I only

really started to track it all when I was working on my child's health and thinking about her. Autism is oftentimes framed as a behavioral disease, but the reality is what influences behavior. It's actually underlying physiology and medical function, biologic function. So we're here in the sort of the midstream of the dnc i guess it's their last night i think i believe it's the last night um a lot of uh joy and i and i have to say that um somebody tweeted a chilling um meme uh craft for craft Kraft durch Freude, which was the Nazi slogan, strength through joy.

And I thought, oh. Whoa. And I'm not prepared to call anybody a Nazi, but it's the same stuff. The same things happen. The same techniques happen over and over as mobs get whipped into their frenzy. I'm looking for a substance. The only substance I've heard, and it's interesting, I heard a lot of, from Kamala Harris and Governor Walz,

a lot of things I started thinking, oh, I could go with that. Where have I heard that before? Oh, oh, that's what former President Trump has been saying. They're just saying the same thing. And then I thought- There's been a lot of borrowing from them. But then I thought, even if I believe they meant it, their track record is so egregious that I'm like, I can't. I could not. I couldn't support them. I mean, it's almost been 10 years

of just horrendous relationship with the American public or a horrendous relationship with honesty. I just think, well, honesty is the hiding of a gentleman with neurodegenerative disorders in the Oval Office. Yep. On Waltz's side, lines to, you know, phone lines to report your neighbors. I mean, talk about Kraft, Dürer, Freude. That's, I mean, that's wild.

Again, if you did that, if you used that phone line, think about what you did. It's not okay. Yeah. I mean, is this just lack of originality? It's like, let's borrow from Hitler. Let's really confusing what is going on over there and where their direction really is or if it's just a day-by-day cover operation. For? Well, it's Unpack It. What is it for? I mean, what is this party's cover operation for? I think they're covering their tracks from basically gutting democracy over the last 10 years. Freedom, freedom. Freedom, free speech, the censorship. Influencence on freedom, centralization of authority and things like health care. Yeah, yeah.

You know, I think that it probably goes on and on. We don't really know the depths and scopes of it all, but a lot of it is pretty obvious at this point, which is why I really believe that if we gave disillusioned Democrats and liberals and progressives a new home, we would have likely won or we would likely win this election. And the numbers

looked really good. In fact, they still look really good. The problem is now that their new hat trick over at the DNC is to remove third parties from ballots that they rightfully have been on. They're forcing Bobby to do something. They're forcing him to join other teams. I mean, do you know, he flew out to Pennsylvania yesterday to try to testify. The judge had nothing else on his docket that day. They wouldn't let him in because he was a few minutes late. I mean, this is unheard of. You know, I wouldn't let him testify. He's at the gates of the courthouse trying to get in to testify.

Now he's back in New York today for the New York ballot case testifying. Trump in this election, we think, has been involved in about six active court cases since he started his campaign. We are now in nine and counting. They have no plans to slow down. So, you know, our intention was always to win this thing, to be on all 50 ballots, which we have accomplished. Congratulations. Thank you. We should be celebrating right now. We should be at a party singing and dancing and praising American democracy because there's still a path. Instead, we are spinning our wheels, running after these court cases across nine different fronts right now. I mean, it's very expensive. And you got to remember,

Donald Trump has a party behind him helping him navigate a campaign, plus his court battles. We don't have that. So it's- Does he, I mean, Trump, I feel like he kind of falls in love with people sometimes. Does he admire Bobby Kennedy? I think so. You know, I haven't personally sat down with Donald Trump. I haven't been- Would you? Would I sit down with him? It depends on the pretense. I think that- Let me ask one direct question. Yeah.

Should we have our ear to the ground? Is something going to come soon? Yeah, absolutely. I think that Friday is going to be one of the biggest events in American election history. What time? Where should I tune in? The details will be shared. Where? Go to Bobby's ex-account, and Team Kennedy will be releasing a press release as well.

You heard that. So let's all gather on Friday and sometimes middle of the day, I'm assuming, late in the day. Anybody? Yeah, we'll get specifics out. I think it's all- You want me to push it as somebody who's now thrown into the Bobby camp, let me support in any way I can. You know, it's really beautiful you say that because I think that democracy is so much more than a single individual at the top of a ticket. It's us coming together. It's you and I talking. It's at its foundation. Yeah.

A frame, an environment for us to do that. Okay. So we're running out of time. I know you've got to leave in a few minutes. We're going to take a little break when you have to get up, but you wanted to talk a little Loveline before I let you go. Oh, sure. Because you were a Loveline fan back in the day. And let me tell you a little story about it. Because I saw today that some other, you know,

sex and relationship shows are getting these huge pushes and platforms and stuff. And they've gone so far from what I intended. The reason I did Loveline in the first place is we had just been through something called the sexual revolution. And it was perpetrated by adults with zero concern or even awareness of what adolescents and young adults might do. And the whole time it was secret. I was an adolescent during it. I was a young adult. I knew what was up. I knew what was happening. And I knew there was horrible STDs. There were unwanted pregnancies. People were confused. And nowhere to get any information about how to manage a simple biology. Very easy. But it was all shrouded and hidden in secrecy under this veneer of Latin terminology, venereal diseases. If you had a yeast infection,

it's called manilia. I mean, everything was completely shrouded. And not to be discussed with young people. I mean, how bizarre. So that's how I got, when I started talking to young people in 1983, it was outrageous. How, you're sick. Why are you talking? And the big thing that motivated me, I was deep in the AIDS pandemic. And as that started unfolding

and Dr. Fauci was telling us young guys to go out and start educating. And I admired him for that. And he was a guiding light through all that. And his instincts then were good for that pandemic. Not so great for this one, but that one, I admired him. And that's what Bobby and I mixed it up a little bit about. And when that pandemic came around, I was shocked that young people had never heard of it. No one was talking to him about it. The term safe sex hadn't been coined yet. and I was advocating for condoms. Condoms,

to buy a condom, you had to line up at the pharmacy with the normal prescription counter and ask for the pharmacist to bring it out from behind the counter. How many 15-year-olds could pull that off? None that I knew. Right, right. It was awful. And so there was so much that needed change. And it was at the time, Dr. Ruth, who, by the way, I got to know years later, and I loved her, I admired her. One of my great regrets is that I didn't go visit her up at the cloister.

She multiple times told me to come up there and see her, and I didn't. She lived in the Upper West Side there. And in any event, but she was sort of encouraging people to have sex. I'm like, yet they're doing it, Ruth. It's already happening. They have to understand the biology and the psychology. And then as the 90s came around, the pandemic of childhood abuse sort of came in and all the repetitive re-traumatizations started coming into it. So we really were looking at this complex human mental health condition and biological condition, and it just got morphed into,

I don't know what it is today. It's something completely different. You're right. It has morphed. I mean, it's unrecognizable. I've had mental health professionals say, I will punch someone in the face if they say anything that's not sex positive. What? Yes, and there's things that people get into that

they need to be aware of that can go a little sideways and help people with. Yeah, it's really interesting, and I think that I've become privy to these things. There's this idea of grooming. And I was like, no, that can't be happening. And then you see evidence of it happening, popping up all over the place. And then people can hide under sex positivity. Yes. And you're like, no, this is wrong this is like not sex no because you're not allowed to say anything about anybody's choices under any circumstances you're just not allowed to talk

about it publicly it's all just okay it's like yeah it's all i i wouldn't look i am a i'm a literalist on freedoms and things but there's reality that that comes to bear on these choices and choices and the counterming doesn't exist today, which is why I was chatting with Adam Carolla. I said, look, Adam, you and Drew set boundaries. Yeah. Right? All of these discussions you'd bring in,

you'd only take one or two calls the episode because you guys would spend 20 minutes talking about the context, the boundaries, why it matters, how it impacts your psychology, like how it sets you up to think about who you want to be in 10 years. And that context is so important. That conversation is so important. Setting safe boundaries that are age appropriate is so important. And you guys did that. I mean, I listened to you endlessly as a teenager because I didn't have a parent guiding me through some of this stuff. So I almost viewed you two as

like uncles that were giving kind, delicate, responsible advice. And trying to entertain you. So you'd stick around or keep listening. And, you know, that was the goal is to kind of keep you engaged so you can hear the harder, more scientific stuff sometimes. Yeah. Well, and I think the balance was really great too. Like, I don't think getting it just from Adam or just from Dr. Drew would have worked. It was really this combination. Called the Gainsburger and the pill. You'd wrap the Gainsburger and the pill and give it to the dog.

They'll take the pill every time. Well, Nicole, you've been very kind with your time. I promised I'd get you out right now. Okay, I appreciate you. You're delightful. Congratulations on all this. Thank you. I'm an active member of your team, so you should lean on me. It's going to keep going.

Nothing ends. I will be bated breath on Friday. Bated breath. I want to hear where this is going and I want to be a part of it. All right. Thanks very much. Okay. We'll take a little break and be right back. I'll be looking at the restream and the rumble rants with you guys. Okay. Thank you. Of course, I'm a fan of the healthy aging supplement, True Niagen. I've been taking it almost for a decade myself. This supplement boosts NAD, which your cells need to survive properly metabolically, and it goes down as we age. It does so with a nutrient called nicotinamide riboside, or NR, specifically patented form of

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kits, each of which has a different purpose. And we've added Tamiflu to one of them in case the bird flu does become a problem for humans. Be rationally ready. drdrew.com slash TWC for 10% off. That's brilliant. And thank you, Drew. Who's Dr. Drew? Where is he? Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew. We are back. Nicole had to get on to something else, but she has very kindly allowed me to stay on for a moment here and continue to chat with you guys. Particularly, I wanted to give you a chance to get into the rants

and the restreams here, so I'll try to get to your questions. I know Susan was monitoring stuff. Okay, hold on. This is going to be a little bit challenging. Herb Green wants to know about Francis Collins. You know, Collins, isn't it Redfield that has become a little more of a sane person lately? And I appreciate some of his reconsideration of some of the choices he made. He's looking at some of the things that they did, including six foot distancing, which he admits was completely made up and saying,

I'm not sure it was a great idea. I think that might've been wrong even. So here's Claire. Claire Starr wants to know, how did I say that Fatu was a guiding light when he literally did an interview saying that you could get AIDS from close contact like hugging, I never heard him say anything like that. And I was working in and around him for many, many years. If he said it, it may have been

in the early days before we knew for sure. And by the way, I'm very clear when I said he was a guiding light during COVID, that was wrong. That was my mistake. And I'm looking clear when I said he was guiding late during COVID, that was wrong. That was my mistake. And I'm looking for any opportunities to apologize wherever I can. I want to be a model for people stepping forward going, I got that wrong. I apologize. That was not okay. Let's see what you guys are saying over here.

I'm also looking at you all in the, uh, in the restream. Uh, it's a little harder there cause it's moving faster. Uh, hopefully you can at least, whoop. Um, yeah, it's hard with my finger. I'm not sure. I'm not sure that's true, but I can do it with this sidebar. Uh, we can have to deal with imperfect choices. Don't be like a kid

that complained because daddy got her the wrong brand of car for her birthday. I am I think I'm really thrown in. I'm going to take my direction from RFK Jr. right now. Okay, Susan has a question. She's going to yell in.

Okay, DM. So there's a question there about hallucinogenics for addiction. Basically, the reason hallucinogenics for having trouble getting approved for things is not what you think. It is not some conspiracy thing from the pharmacy. It is the fact that these are dangerous chemicals. I've seen the consequences. They can be profound.

Trust me, we don't know the threshold dose before you have serious neuropsychiatric consequence for any drug that causes hallucination as a result of its primary influence on the brain. DMT, I've not really seen it used in addiction to alcoholism. I've seen ayahuasca and ibogaine being used. I've had many, many, many patients go down to Costa Rica and whatnot and get that. Recalcitrant cases, sure. If you've tried it, and I mean everything else, that's a reasonable thing to try. My experience has been that it has been useful in most cases for about six months.

And then they all except for one case went back. And there was significant personality changes in the patients. So we are saying that you're going to take a chemical that's going to change who you are. That is not something ethically that I can do. Until we figure out what dose to use that prevents that side effect, I'm not ready to throw in on that yet. I just saw your DMT question. Microdosing, I am not a fan of. I see almost zero. That you're only looking for trouble,

as far as I'm concerned. And there's really no good data. RFK can't abandon our vote. We do not just want an independent party. We want RFK. Trump should drop out and endorse RFK. Our time is now. And that's one of the things I love about the RFK world. I talked to someone that's in the campaign, very up in the campaign. And I just started questioning, what do you think about 28? He looked at me and goes, what do you think? What do you mean 28? He's going to be president in 24. I was like, okay, got it, okay. It's my fault this person never tried MDMA

or LSD. By the way, I've spoken to the head of the, what do they call themselves? The Society for the Study of Psychedelics, MAPS, Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies. I forget the doctor's name, excellent researcher. He was convinced that MDMA could be used to benefit, again, recalcitrant PTSD, chronic PTSD sufferers in the right hands. He kept emphasizing that to me. Very few therapists are trained to do what's necessary

to make MDMA treatment effective. That's from the founder of MAPS. He's very careful about this because these are dangerous chemicals. Let's not kid ourselves. What's that, Susan? I feel like the questions. Your audience is growing. Ah, good.

Questions. Susan is watching as am I, and she'll throw me questions. Should she see them before? Oh, she's on X because I have the computer. She has the phone. Okay, so I'm looking on the... Got it. She has to go through 7,000 people there.

I'm looking... Molten Salt, you asked about the LSD and dolphins. I actually... Did I do the... No, there was a drunk history about that in detail. Did I do it? Was I in the drunk history about the dolphins?

I think I was. That was my drunk history. And so I am there with Duncan Trussell going over that history. I suggest you do check it out. Drunk history was genius. Oh my God. Derek Waters was so brilliant in the way he did that. I'm so sorry that we didn't do that anymore. I was saying Francis Collins was confronted while out to dinner with his wife. Some guy said he belongs in jail to his face. I don't know. No, no, no. Look, you start, I've said this before. You guys have heard me say it.

You start threatening people with legal action in jail and whatnot. You're going to end up with people that go into defensive posture, not the pursuit of the truth, not into recognition of where mistakes were made, not into apologies, which is really what you guys are looking for, I hope. Okay. Go ahead. Susan has a question. D has a question. Between autism and flu shots. So a question from D was, have I seen a link between autism and flu shots during pregnancy? So a question from Dee was, have I seen a link between autism and flu shots during pregnancy? I have not.

These are all questions. I am, like Joe Rogan said in his recent stand-up special, he, like I, thought that vaccines were the most, one of the two or three most significant health and public health, particularly breakthroughs in the history of humanity. And his next statement was, I used to believe that, now I think the earth is flat. And I'm open to that idea. The point being that I'm open to everything now for reconsideration, because as I've looked at the research that has been done, it has been inadequate, and I would like it to be done well and adequately. I'd refer you to Joseph

Freeman, F-R-A-I-M-A-N, who I interviewed a couple of times here. He is my most significant, what shall I say, the best thinker on the topic of getting this right. And if we don't do what he is suggesting, we are not doing the proper research. We're not doing what we need to do. And I know it's interesting watching bench researchers. There are a lot of bench researchers, biologists getting into this conversation, talking about how clinicians like myself whine about the lack of double-blind placebo-controlled trials, RCTs, randomized controlled trials, as opposed to observational studies, because the clinical situation is nothing like the laboratory situation.

It's infinitely complex, and we have to study it that way to know what we're talking about. Okay. Oh, you guys with your dolphins. I'm still over on the... I'm still over... Susan, why don't you warn me about that? I'm looking at you guys over at the Rumble Rants where you guys always have lots of interesting ideas. What's that, Susan? They like to go off the top. Yes, somebody is taking aim

at one of our Supreme Court justices saying she's not a biologist. I'll show you the evidence of that came out during COVID when, oh shoot, I'm blanking on the one name of the Supreme Court justice. It'll come to me in a second. But she was, they have these public hearings during the initial phases of the evaluation of a case. And she was going on about, we have hundreds and hundreds of thousands of children on ventilators. What are we supposed to do? We had maybe none at the time, maybe half a dozen of chronically ill kids who had some secondary issues. The fact that our Supreme Court justices, Sotomayor was the one that said that. That is very concerning to me. Yes, Greg the baritone,

thank you for telling me so to my arm no it was not Katowice Jackson Brown it was not Brown Jackson it was so to my arm Janice says thank you finally it took me a while didn't it never you know as

Truman said never put off a decision never make a decision today that you can put off for tomorrow. Okay. I'm going to put on, Caleb, I'm going to put on my headphones in a second and see if you've come across any questions or anything you think I should address. Go ahead. I'm watching them. I'm putting them up on screen as you find them. There's so many people watching. The screen is very dark. And so I can't actually see it when you put it up there. So maybe if you text it to me also?

I'm actually putting the ones up on screen that you're mentioning. So I put those up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, thank you. We're on Rumble's homepage right now as well. So that's adding to the constant flow of questions. So if people want to- Okay, here's a, what do you call those things

where they pay to get your attention? Super chat. Super chat, a super chat. Tropical Rocket, who we've seen in the past, and we thank you, Tropical Rocket, you've been around before, and his or her question is, how is a ventilator not murder?

How about negligent manslaughter? I wouldn't go further than that. And the point you're making is that the people that died got put on a ventilator. The question we have to answer is, this is again, more in the RCT situation, did the sickest people get put on the ventilator and therefore die not as a result of the ventilator, but as a result of being so sick? Or did we put people on ventilators early because of the hypoxemia and that led to their demise? I will tell you for sure, high flow oxygen and high pressure on ventilators turns the lung into a honeycomb scar. We've known this forever. I was doing intensive care medicine on a daily basis before there was such a thing as an intensivist. I used to do that for years. When I volunteered to be in the New York response team,

New York was looking for physicians to come in during COVID. I volunteered. They were interviewing me to see what I did. And I could do ventilator management. I did it for 15 years. And they were shocked that an internist would do that without having intensivist, so to speak, training. Point is, the first thing I did when I got somebody on a ventilator, work on getting them off. Get them off the damn ventilator. If you're getting high, high flow oxygens,

find some other way to get them to not desaturate. Give them PEEP, give them positive end-expiratory pressure. And even that then adds to the pressure damage. And so you have to, this is an art form that has to be balanced out. And I feel like it was done in a very rote manner, which is the big complaint about COVID generally is the extreme bureaucratic approach to everything. Everything was these clinical pathways.

You do it the way the hospital tells you to do it. That may be closer to the murder you're talking about, Tropical Rocket. Okay. Susan, you got something? Okay. Somebody said they're out of the country and they want... Out of the country and? Support.

They had the Moderna shot. They wanted the Moderna shot. Supplements they could take to help them. Are they having long vaccine injury? So, you know, this is a very controversial area. Yeah, this is, you can look at the interview I did with Dr. Peter McCullough yesterday. He talked about these things. Natokinase is something he is convinced is helping. He actually has documentation of lowering the antigen levels. See, when people

get into long vaccine problems, it's because the body keeps producing spike. We know that now. We just don't know why that happens or for whom it's going to happen. And the question then is, how do you get them to reduce the spike and reduce the antibody response to spike? Colchicine has been used. Natakynis has been used. Believe it or not, certain ACE inhibitors have been used. I'm sorry, I beg your pardon. Statins have been used. A lot of different things have been attempted you can look around i i i think dr mccullough has the best sort of track record with documenting positive results with patients uh you also have to worry about the thrombogenic effects and so things like aspirin start to become effective important as well but look at the interview i did yesterday and look at his website you'll see some some interesting ideas um remdesivir and ventilator killed my mother in January. I'm sorry, Marilyn.

I understand. And there's a class action suit she's telling me, or she's wanting there to be a class action suit. We don't know. Again, it's very hard to tease out. Did the sickest people get it

and that's why there was a higher death rate? Or did it cause something? And again again don't don't let's get to the truth that's what i would like to do uh all right uh okay uh gulane conspiracy talked to a nurse and covid said something about why they weren't testing for natural immune response uh at least before vax are injected. There's no immune response. Yes, the whole natural immunity thing was filled with distortions. And that's where I felt like people were lying. Because whenever they'd said,

when any question was asked of an infectious disease expert, what about natural immunity from COVID? People are like, oh, who knows? Who knows? Of course, there's going to be some natural immunity. Is it adequate? Is it going to add to your risk with vaccine? I don't know. At the time, we didn't know anyway. Public seems apathetic about COVID.

Yes, they do. Have I interviewed Lyle Sharp? No. Natural immunity was conspiracy theory. Everything was a conspiracy theory that wasn't the absolute line and verse coming from the bureaucrat centralized authority, which is never. Look, the CDC did not follow their own pandemic preparedness plan. Do you understand this? They had a pandemic preparedness plan.

They crumpled it up and threw it out the freaking window. The plan included guidance to state public health officials who then handed out guidance to county officials who provided guidance and continued updated information to doctors. We did it during AIDS. We did it during H1N1. H1N1 worked very well. And what I kept saying at the beginning of COVID was we had a pandemic during the Obama administration. He approached it very appropriately. It killed 300,000 people. Not much we could do about it, except they advised doctors what to do when people got it. I got it. It was brutal. It was nasty. And it was a nasty, bad pandemic. And you didn't even know what happened. And so did we have to go from a dangerous pandemic

where you had no idea something was wrong to destroying 8- to 15-year-olds' education and emotional development and destroying God knows how many millions and millions of businesses? Really? Okay, that was my point. Excuse me while I get a little water

and try to look at what you guys are saying. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry what you guys are saying I saw that one I saw that I saw that one Susan that came up on an interesting came up on the restream thread interestingly um yeah Gisela is saying the nurse had amnesia about natural immunity. Functional medicine, there's some good things that came out of the pandemic, and functional medicine is having a resurgence, I think, because of the excesses of our medical system. Okay.

Thank you, guys. I'm trying to get some last questions in here. Possible. Johanna, you need who at the top? You're talking about RFK Jr.? So anyway, let me, I'm going to check in with Caleb again in just a second, but let me just say how grateful I am to Nicole Shanahan for joining us today and what an interesting conversation.

What a wonderful person. What a great heart and what an interesting conversation. What a wonderful person, what a great heart, and what a great intent. And I'm delighted that she is in political movements. I'm delighted that there seems to be a reasonable plan, excuse me, a reasonable probability that one way or another, she will end up in Washington. I certainly hope RFK Jr. does. So one, I, you know, that panel, you see that video of me up on stage with RFK Jr. That was before we brought a further, a bigger panel out. At the end of that, I just told the crowd, I said, let's just get RFK Jr. into Washington. Let's find a way to get him there. Let's do this. Let's get him into DC and just try to make the changes that could unravel so many of the excesses and the overreaches and the things that are adulterating our healthcare, adulterating the American system, adulterating our media.

It's time to get back to a, I don't want to say a simpler, but more honest. I think more honesty on all fronts would be a great, great, great sense of progress. And I look forward to Nicole Shanahan being right there with him. I don't know what she wants to do there yet, but I'm all in on helping her do it. Caleb, anything else from your standpoint? No, that was just very interesting. I'm sorting through all the chats and stuff. Yeah, I am too. I couldn't quite get that much out of there. A lot of good response. But let's everybody get your ear to the ground on Friday and let's support whatever is going to be announced.

Let's get behind it. Let's put our schedule up, if you don't mind, Caleb, of upcoming guests. I know, I think on my birthday or the day after, we've got Salty Cracker coming back. We have Dr. Victory in tomorrow at noon with Senator Ron Johnson. That's the three of us. Should be a really interesting conversation. Susan's show is going to be tomorrow evening.

Amanda McCann is one of my very, very, very favorite Instagram TikTokers. She is hysterical. And as Susan pointed out yesterday, she really put her finger on why I'm such a fan of hers because she makes fun of people like Susan. And so Ivor Cummings is going to make a... Caleb is just really laughing about it a lot still. So that's fine. Yeah, Ivor Cummings is coming back. We're going to find out how he maintains such a positive mental attitude.

That was my question when literally Caleb's house got struck by lightning and it took down our show. So is that how literally what happened? Literally, it was mine and mine alone, and the rest of the neighborhood was totally fine. I lost internet right in the middle of the show, in the middle of the break. So then everyone got hacked. Right as I was saying, I want to hear this. I really want to hear the name. How were you smiling and saying these horrible things? Rob Schneider coming back on my birthday, salty cracker the day after Matt Walsh,

Michael Gates coming back, Michael Gates. I want you guys to really get to know him. I'm getting to know him better. And he is my hope. He is one, he's a source of inspiration to hope. Joel Pollack on September 11th and many more keep an eye on it. Caleb, thank you so much for helping us

do this here today. Jack, thank you for the work on your end here at Nicole's house. Thank you to Emily Barsh for the great bookings that we always have. And Susan, thank you for setting this up and for tomorrow's shows. So I, and Caleb, of course, for producing as always. I will see everyone tomorrow at noon with Senator Ron Johnson and Kelly Victor. You guys have been asking for Kelly Victor. She's coming back. And then at 3 o'clock, Susan's show. And there it is. There's the announcement for her show

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