Ask Dr. Drew - Nikki & Jim Norton on Meeting Trump, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. & Transgender Love – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 322

Episode Date: February 14, 2024

Comedian Jim Norton and wife / model Nikki Norton join Dr. Drew LIVE! Jim Norton is a comedian, author, radio and podcast host. Jim has appeared on a wide variety of movies and TV shows including 2002’s Spider-Man (credited as “Surly Truck Driver”), Inside Amy Schumer, and Louie, along with multiple comedy specials and bestselling books. Jim and Nikki Norton recently launched a new YouTube show featuring snapshots of their daily life together as a “surprisingly happily married couple living in New York City.” Watch their videos at https://youtube.com/@NikkiandJimNYC and find more at https://jimnorton.com 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • PROVIA - Dreading premature hair thinning or hair loss? Provia uses a safe, natural ingredient (Procapil) to effectively target the three main causes of premature hair thinning and hair loss. Susan loves it! Get an extra discount at https://proviahair.com/drew • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

And here we are. We'll be welcoming into the studio Jim Norton and his lovely wife Nikki. I think you will enjoy today's show. It's a little bit of a change of pace, but we're getting some of the usual stuff. We're also out on Twitter spaces. I'm watching you guys at the restream and of course at the Rumble Rants as well. Let's see. I know you guys don't have anything much going on there yet. You can follow Jim at his website, which is jim norton.com and follow both nikki and jim on their new youtube channel which we're going to tell you all about it's at nikki and jim nyc and nikki is n-i-k-k-i and you can follow uh jim on x at jim norton and uh instagram at jim norton and we're going to talk I think the first thing I want to talk about is their Instagram which has been

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Second guest in studio since we've revised our whole setup here. So thank you for being here, guys. First time we've ever had two guests. Thank you. It's a lot of pressure on us, too, if we're not good, and then this whole thing falls apart. You know who to blame. Well, we'll both blame Jim.

Don't you worry. Thank you. Yeah, no doubt. She was trans. We'll get into all that. But so, Nikki, I've known you for a while. And we finally had dinner. we'll get into all that but so Nikki I've known you for a while and we finally had dinner

the four of us had dinner in New York a year or so ago you were 18 months back about a year ago and so I've known Jim for a long time too and I know he's funny

and comedian obviously and I've loved his work on gut-filled things I've been wanting to try to time my gut-filled appearances so I can be there with him but I started watching the

instagram that you guys have together and like god damn it she's a lot funnier than you are i said she is so freaking funny i don't even know how you do it it's so i'm laughing a lot of my students like i see this it makes me so happy someone's a few people haven't told me i thought you were a comedian and i'm like no i didn't even know i think it's more that you're kind of a social media savant or something because the the thing of the old man that's distracted in the foreground and you looking at the camera in the background making fun of j, which was good times. And it really is our dynamic. They go up on my Instagram, sometimes on hers.

She'll just post weird videos. And I realize she's shooting. I didn't know she was shooting. It looks all the time like you're caught off guard, which I find hysterical. This morning she's filming. I'm like, I'm naked. This is literally what it's like to live with this man.

It's crazy. He does weird things. Like what? He blinks a lot. He just stands in the background like a creepy person. Like always. And just very neurotic. How do... How...

And then you've taken some shots at her. They've been very, very funny as well. 100%. And that's why I love Nikki because she's funny. But also I don't want to be with someone who can't take a joke. And%. And that's why I love Nikki because she's funny. But also, I don't want to be with someone who can't take a joke. And again, she's not fragile at all and neither am I, so we work. My favorite, and it stayed with me, she goes, Jim, would you be with me if I wasn't young and hot? Do you remember what you said? No, but I imagine the answer probably

tended into the negative, I'm going to say. It went to, no, I wouldn't have. But if I were to, we'd have to really work on your personality. tented into the negative i'm going to say it went it went to no i wouldn't have but if you if you if i were to we'd have to really work on your personality and then i said if my penis was two inches smaller would you still date me i wouldn't even email you exactly you said it wouldn't answer the phone so that exchange uh stayed with me for quite to this moment that was weeks ago right and so uh i was looking forward to seeing you guys in person but congratulations on that and tell us about the youtube channel again it is at nikki and jim n-i-k-k-i and nikki and jim nyc yes we just wanted

to do something that was kind of showed what our life was like it's like slice of life things um you know little things that we're doing none of it is a put on none of it is staged it's just our life i can vouch for that i know you guys are who you are yeah thank you that's it and and i love you both for that you know and i think other people will too you know we had an interesting history in terms of how we all may we allowed to talk about that oh sure absolutely once you tell the story well as you know very well dr drew um the immigration process with me getting into the united states was crazy and it was during covid it was during covid didn't help things and i mean you know and we try to reach out to so many people you were one of those you wrote us a really nice

letter which i think contributed a lot so i hope because they were holding you out for insane it was insane and i did not know you so so I had to like, if you remember, I had to interview you and make sure that I felt comfortable. Yeah. And it was like so clear to me that it was bullshit after talking to you for 20 minutes. And it was really horrible, frankly. Honestly, it really was. Something as ridiculous as that would hold you out. And tell people, where are you from?

Where were you coming in from? I'm from Norway. Yeah. So I lived in Norway my whole life and then i meet jim online and i'm like oh let's i'll meet you in the states so when i was 18 i texted a friend of mine in regards to hashish because in norway you smoke hashish not pot usually right and i send this text, and the police confiscate her phone in an unrelated matter. And this way, now I'm in the police station. And long story, but I signed a summons of $100, literally.

And now I got on my record that I've used hashies. And the way they tried to present it was, this person's a weed addict. This is a marijuana addict. And I had to go to the mat saying, no, that's not what this is. Are they weird about weed in Norway? Well, they're strict about drugs in Norway, but this was like a misdemeanor class type of thing,

like less than a parking ticket. And it was just a text message, never any possession, none of that. So when I then came to the embassy, of course, I brought my police report and everything the embassy of course i brought my police report and everything and of course there was that little blip um but then when i came there you know the officer goes look you're a convicted criminal and because of that criminal and i'm sure you know that the the weed is the schedule one um class drug and heroin is like what number two

below that yeah it depends you can be the same in certain areas yeah so it's just it's just so silly our drug are really internationally drug laws are bizarre but in the u.s it's very bizarre as well it's and were the u.s the ones making issue of it or was norway making the issue u.s yeah and uh now how did he, so you guys met because when did you meet? How long ago? I mean, the first time we spoke was around October, November of 2016. Okay. But we talked online for eight, nine months.

It may be eight months before we actually met in person. Yeah. Because she couldn't get into the States to visit. Yeah. So I booked gigs in Norway just to meet her. No shit. That was why I went there. I wanted to meet Nikki.

Was there enough people speaking English or Jim Norton fans that you could get a room for? Well, fans is a very kind word. People are curious as to who the blinking frog was. They just kind of showed up. It was a small crowd, but they had a good time, I hope. But I literally booked it just to meet Nikki.

And I'm happy I did. I flew her to Amsterdam, and I knew immediately I really liked this person. It was more than just a sexual attraction. It was more than just, I'm happy I did. I flew her to Amsterdam and I knew immediately, like, I really liked this person. Like, it was more than just a sexual attraction. It was more than just, I knew her as a person

for eight months and meeting, I was like, yep, this is somebody I want to spend a lot of time with. So then he drugged you

and brought you into the, No, she drugged me actually. Oh, okay. She gave me a Cialis, my dick didn't work. Anthrax.

That was the drugging of Cialis. Here you go, take this oldunkenness Aging is a brutal process We can talk about it if you want I'm very familiar with it in many ways And so you guys meet and you fall in love and is it immediately we're heading towards

something committed? We were dating but again because she couldn't get into the States it was just hard to maintain other than just online and I'll fly you to iceland or paris or wherever we met well i don't think we ever expected this to be a problem right because i'm norwegian you know so i never thought there would be a problem for me to be traveling to the states i literally never expected it so but i relocated to canada because they never had any issue with it so i was able as a norwegian torate, or not immigrate,

but get like a working holiday visa, it's called, for Europeans. And did you ever contemplate doing 90 Day Fiancé? You know, it's funny. We thought about it. No, really? Anything to get her in. I would have been happy to do it just to get her in. Interesting.

Did you discuss it with producers or anything? No, no, no, no. Because they would have made us look like clowns. Everything would have been a fight. They would have made it look like her being trans was a bigger issue than it was. Oh, yes. Yeah.

I don't know. They might have. Because sometimes they'll do stuff. I'm a fan of it. Oh, me too. And sometimes when things are healthy, they'll just cut it down. You won't see it so much.

That's all. But I think it'd be nice. Because they had one trans. Cleoo and i forget the guy's name yeah that was odd it didn't didn't i don't know the whole thing didn't feel right to me they're still dating though i was following her instagram for a while and uh they seemed like they're still together i was like all right that worked out okay well that's good to know because i know you it's always hard to know how much his producer is fucking around with things and how much is for real. Yes. We, but we did do a 90 day fiance

to get her into the country. But again, I was happy we were together for a while. We stayed so secretive about this. You know, we only told people who were very close

and you know, because when you got here or still when you're in Canada throughout this whole process right before I got here and then, you know, it would,

because the heartbreak of me not getting in then would be so devastating that I think two ropes. I mean, we would kill each other. I don't know what we would do. How would we recover from that? Because we would never be granted our life.

That's why. And I didn't want to adjudicate it on the air and be on the radio every day just complaining about immigration. No one wants to see Lenny Bruce reading court papers on stage. It's boring. So Jim's talking about his radio show on Sirius XM. It's 8 to 11 monday through thursday eastern time jim norton sam roberts and as i said jimnorton.com i'm sure everything is there right yeah yeah there's dates and whatnot i think so uh and so this thing goes well uh a couple questions

nikki your english is like too good to be true so how'd that happen i've gotten so many uh compliments in my english i don't know i was online a lot as a kid i think i talked to other people online was it uh was it and her accent doesn't sound norwegian right i know and she loves hearing that but it really is amazing dr drew but it's but there's a weird there's an accent but it sounds uh i can't place it, right? You can't place it. Even Norwegians tell me like, are you really Norwegian? When you speak in Norwegian?

No, when I speak English. I'm wondering if you have a Norwegian accent. Oh, they can tell that I'm, hi, I'm Norsk. Now they can understand that I'm Norwegian. I forget that English is her second language. So we're arguing something sometimes and I forget like, oh God, that's right. She didn't understand what I just said because my terminology is an american term yes i forget that she's not a first language yes yes and did you learn it in school to begin with we learned english very early in

school in norway i think for me it was second grade we learned english it's and were you really did you have to really apply i mean was it a major all the way through kind of thing yeah it is like continuously we'll learn it but i think not all norwegians are great in english but i think they speak english better than the most were you taught other languages other than english just norwegian no just english and you and those are your two languages yes and since you've gotten here i'm just curious you had have you had to work on the language you have to pay attention to stuff or look things up i don't know i feel like the english language has never been an issue i feel like so other than when jim talks right yeah who knows what that is sometimes when we communicate there's certain like

miscommunications got it got it and then how have you found this country any surprises and i love them well let me just say being transgender in America I think it's the best country to be transgender right now because everyone knows what it is everyone accepts it everyone that I met in America and maybe it's because I'm in gym and through gym I don't know but everyone has been so extremely nice and I haven't had

one negative experience in person yeah people have been really Corolla was okay to you? it was great Gutfeld was good to her trump was nice to her i i can you believe i would love to see the two of you on gutfeld that's my that's my me too i would love that i would not like to see that spin on all my sexual stuff on fox oh i would i just want to use some of that instagram stuff on gutfeld it'd be hysterical uh and and know, and just think of Jim and Kat.

They would love it. Yeah. They would absolutely love it. I think so. Yeah, Kat's- Because I see them ribbing you once at a time. They want to get into it. Oh, yeah.

But we mentioned it, though. It's not a secret. They did have Caitlyn Jenner on, maybe me second, with Jim. Did they have Caitlyn? Yeah, they did. So we've gotten to know Caitlyn a little bit. And I'd say it's the closest transgender friend we have, right? We probably have others.

But she was always saying to me, don't think about this as anything different than my handedness. Like, I'm left-handed, and I'm this, and that's it. What a great way to put it. Yeah, beyond that, don't even let it be. And she's a substantial person by the way she is she took a lot of shit during the whole governor thing but we actually got behind a little bit we had her in here she was in studio here um and just you know it's just an interesting person she's one of the public trans people that i respect the most because she's got shit in this

country because she's because she's conservative yeah yeah and so you're not allowed to be trans i don't know if you remember but she did a show when she came out i do and there were a lot of other transgender girls on it and it was funny to watch them all behave like cats like they were all talking to her and trying to lecture her on how to be trans meanwhile caitlin jenner has been doing this for how long and she's doing a show and she's taking you all by the way on her show on her platform and you're making a mockery out of her to be honest i thought that was sad and shitty and ever since then caitlin was just kind of evaporated i guess or not talked about nicely or put on fox i don't know but i feel like the trans community do not acknowledge caitlin jenner

and i think that's shitty she was sort of marginalized because if it wasn't for caitlyn jenner in the vanity fair article i legitimately believe the world would not be what it is right now about trans acceptance i really sincerely mean that and when she was bruce did you ever see the documentary yes i met her as bruce with uh the tonight show together years ago okay and when you when you hear his as him his experience and the profound dysphoria he had i mean he was suffering for like two decades or something and then trying to hide it and understand it and do things with it and now he's she's perfectly cool she's this is her and it just was sad to me that to hear that story that he had and i even actually have mentioned on podcasts like jim norton was the first person to marry a transgender person in the biz.

But actually, although Caitlyn Jenner is transgender, I think at least she has a transgender partner, right? Chris. Chris. Kris Jenner. Yeah. No, I mean, now I think she has one called Sophia, a blonde girl. Okay, so we met Sophia. I wasn't sure if she's transgender or not she

doesn't sort of tell you i'm a view a little bit yeah i think so thank you i believe she is and i see the relationship she was a she was a she was his uh campaign manager and she was intense really really had her shit together i find it very interesting go ahead but not just all these allies they haven't mentioned this relationship once yeah isn't that trans love too yeah yeah i think this idea that if you're if you're have a transgender identity it has to fit into a certain box which is just as bigoted as any other bigotry yes yeah it's like saying you can't have trans people who care about things other than just being transgender. There's other things that they think about, too.

They're as varied as any other group of people. Dealing with Jim Norton. Yes. Absolutely. The joys. Sleeping with Jim Norton. So, all right. I know we are competing today with the, I won't even say it.

There's a famous video that just came out as we roll out. Yes. But you'll be able to see it anytime. Don't worry. Stay with us here. I'm watching you guys on the restream. Somebody's saying that they met you and you're a great human being. Thank you.

Nothing fake about Jim. This is all commentary here. It looks good. Dutch are usually great at speaking English. That is true. Greg the Baritone says, yeah, whenever we went around the Europe, European continent,

whenever we made friends, it always seemed like it was Dutch. They always spoke perfect English. They're always very continental and social. They are very good in english yeah and so i not i do not know a lot of norwegian people it's a small people how many people live in norway five million now i think think about that that's less than this town and they're very literal people like nikki is very literal norwegians are very yeah like if we try to you know extremely unified people like we're very much keep to ourselves and i feel like when you're in norway well as for me you know you're in norway that's why i think

about i had a norwegian patient once uh and she was from the coast some of those and me too and that was even a different culture too than the sort of in more inland area i'm more from like coast woods farm rural so people in my city of course would look at me differently and obviously see that i'm trans and i think that the norwegian people are much more conservative than they will admit that they are considering that it's purely socialism a socialist country i do think that they are a bit more conservative as people well at least towards this socially conservative it was strange for me to see nikki's home life you know i mean because i knew her in a different capacity isn't it so different yes and seeing you on cam at one

point and then all of a sudden seeing you uh you know like your stepfather taking care of horses on a farm life like yeah i'm a farm girl it's just not where i would have expected life to come from very was very different how many siblings no siblings only child and you're still close to your parents yes both my parents and your biological father what happened there um well i'm close to my biological father he wasn't in my childhood that much so it was only my only mother um but they've been wonderful my life my dad is in my life a lot now and he's he's so accepting i love my father there's no more other human that i'm more alike than my dad and when you think about educating people about your experience what do you want people to know it's nice to hear the

us is welcoming yeah i love it in the in the states and i just realized that i guess i can only talk what i feel and how i think about it and you, you know, that's all I can say, I guess. And I, I feel like a lot of people who are like me won't agree with me and fine. This is just who I am. And my story, that's kind of the way Caitlin used to talk to me.

She's like, she just goes, this is just, let's talk about something else. So many nuances and levels. Like, you know, I have a penis.

I'm going to keep my penis. Some trans girl will be like, well, you're not a real transgender then. Then you don't have the gender dysphoria 110%. And I get it. But I do also believe that transgenderism is a dysphoria. Call it a mental illness or whatever you want to call it. I do believe that it should be a thing in writing, meaning a diagnosis. I don't think that you can just wake up and be trans i

think you should go and see people and seek help and talk about it and get diagnosed because how are you going to start hormones with no diagnosis i don't see these are serious medicines i mean yeah the rest of your life i've been on these hormones for 10 years now and i believe how are you going to be on these medications without having a diagnosis that makes no sense to me yeah that's sort of the way i've talked about people when people want it to be sort of diagnosed what i always say is why is using an antidepressant some if that's what somebody needs somehow qualitatively different than any other intervention. If this is the intervention that helps you with that dysphoria,

that's the intervention you should get. Because depression is also considered a mental illness, right? So who doesn't have that every now and then? I do. Every morning I wake up. We're all a little mentally ill. I guess that's my point. Speaking of which, how is it living with Jim Norton? How is the other one i see on instagram well how was your first year anniversary

oh i loved it you loved it but not what i got this ring for my anniversary that was the that was the pride i got you earrings that you hated nikki is really good but she's not good at lying like she's too honest um she started laughing, like really laughing. I knew immediately. She hates my present. She goes, you hate him. And she goes, no. I knew that he spent some money, so I wanted to be like, oh, yeah, they're nice.

No. What was wrong with them? They were emeralds. She just didn't like them. And when she starts saying things, she's really bad at making someone else feel better. She just doesn't have that ability to soothe. They were just not Ed. But she's like, well. She just doesn't have that ability to soothe. They were just not at.

But she's like, well, they just wouldn't look good with my face. I'm 54. I know what that means. You hated them. But it was, you're married two years now, but that was shot last January. And that was all real. I had gotten a photo she took with her iPhone that I thought was beautiful. And we had it blown up.

And I'm like, she's going to go crazy. She hated that too. She's just tough to buy for me. I thought was beautiful. And we had it blown up, and I'm like, she's going to go crazy. She hated that, too. She's just talking to my iPhone. I mean, I like the photo. I just didn't want my iPhone photo on the wall. I don't know. I wanted art, like Marilyn Monroe or like Tina Turner in glitter. I don't know, something different.

Yeah, yeah, like the classics, Tina Turner in glitter. Yes. I thought she would like that I thought of her, but you know what? I'm better off just handing over money, as most women I know will tell you. Well, you don't know a lot of women. Except you can't win that way either. I guess not, right? Then it'll be, oh, you didn't put enough thought into it.

You had some hits and some misses. What's your point? One year for Mother's Day, he gave me pots and pans. Oh. Because you know, she didn't want it yeah i was like okay i'll go get it i really want those copper ones so did you like them or did you think no that's not as romantic it was kind of an insult i was it's like it's like giving somebody a vacuum cleaner for you know the kids were like five years old and we were all at home

and you announced you wanted these things and i went out know. I went out with them and got them. I don't know. It's more personal when you give gifts for Mother's Day if you have triplets. And then I saw him on the Playboy. I caught him on the news at the Playboy Mansion with Bill Maher. He was supposed to be doing Bill Maher, and then I saw him at the Playboy Mansion with a bunch of playmates. I was not with a bunch of playmates. It was on the news.

It was on the news. Oh, you know. Here's the deal. Don't you like the way the stories get told? But nobody told me. Nobody told me. I like the version she's giving. That sounds like a great night for you.

So I found out and I yelled at his management and I threw the pots and pans at him and said, next time get me diamond earrings. Yes, exactly. Jim, take note. We cannot win. No, we can't. But I've kind of come to that conclusion that I would rather just say,

get what you want. I'm with that, too. As a man, that's my thing. Well, let me just say that when he got me the photo, I mean, I did love the thought. I think that Jim is the sweetest man man ever he's done everything for me i love living with jim he's changed my life completely i appreciate everything maybe maybe that blinking is him doing it boris code that he's being held hostage to read his planks everybody i know that um in 20 years i'm

gonna look at that and cry yes Yeah, because I'll be dead. I can't believe Jim hung himself 19 years ago. Oh my goodness. Yeah, but I love it too. I like being married. I didn't think I would. I avoided it my whole life. I'm like, I was 54 when I got married. I never lived with a woman until

Nikki, and I love it. I knew when we had dinner really you guys like i i knew when we had dinner with you guys last year that you should have found the right people for each other i mean it really was i think so too like it's a personality thing and i i can't be with people like she's seen the material i talk about our relationship and my act a lot and some of it's about the sex and some of it's just about her as a person and she loves it and i couldn't be with somebody that would say don't talk about my penis i just wouldn't it wouldn't about her as a person. And she loves it. And I couldn't be with somebody that would say, don't talk about my penis. It just wouldn't work for me.

A lot of people think that this is a gold digger situation. And I get it. I get it. But I feel like Jim is really my soulmate. And that's just it. I mean, we were together for five years before even we're public. So, I mean. Yeah, I mean, I'm stupid.

But I'm not that stupid where I wouldn't see someone who is gold digging. Like, you know, after years and years, I wouldn't have gotten married if I thought that was the situation. You guys are fun to be around, which is always a good sign too. Okay, let's take a little break here. Jim's got to pee. Yes, me too. Oh, both of you have to pee. There are bathrooms on both directions. Luckily, we can share the same toilets.

Toilet seats. Might be a bit of a splash. I don't know. Can we videotape that? Sure. Oh my God. What we videotape that? Sure. Oh, my God. What is wrong with my wife? Love her. Wow.

This is a whole thing you guys bring up. Yeah. All right. She was like, yeah. All right. When we get back, I want to talk about a lot of,

sort of get off you guys for a minute and talk about things like the Putin interview, actually just what you think about that and some of the thoughts about the- Moscow's on what do you mean i don't know it's on fire

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Susan, what's that? She can leave her earbuds out. You're not going to take calls, right? I don't think I am. I don't see him. No. There's one request up there, but we might do that. But what do you think about Tucker Carlson going and doing an interview with Vladimir Putin?

Any thoughts about that? Interesting. It's great. I mean, all these people think you shouldn't talk to him. Like, how dare journalists tell other people who to interview? Like, good for them. I don't care. They interviewed bin Laden in a cave.

I don't care who they talked to. I'm interviewing you guys. Exactly. Think about guys exactly think about that you got the scoop yeah i have no problem with it tucker can interview anybody he wants but i'm trying to understand what their thinking is i mean we have all these examples of major outlets you know um but uh amanpour interviewing like castro or barbara walters interviewing castro amanpour interviewed one of the horrible terrorists i people want to want to understand what's going on do they feel like he doesn't have the adequate chops as a journalist or just because he's not their kind of journalist so-called mainstream legacy media journalist?

Journalists are now seeing that almost anybody can do what they do, and they don't like it. They don't like that a guy like Tucker can get a giant following of people and go and get this interview, and they can't. They don't like that what he says carries more weight than what they say. Well, I'm wondering what journalism has even become. I don't want to get too crazy about this, but I remember when I was showing HLN,

I kept having to tell people, look, I'm not a journalist. I'm hosting a talk show, and I'm talking to journalists, and I'm trying to understand things, but I'm not a journalist, and I never wanted to be a journalist. And by the way the things

i'm talking about because i have some expertise in the area i think i can do a better job than a journalist because literally a journalist is an expert in nothing literally yeah they just want they and also it becomes a much didn't the news not used to make money like wasn't that like always considered like a write-off for the network and And then once they started making money... Well, it's like here's a show. If I watched a news in Norway, we watched a PBS channel. That's where we watched the news. So it's like BBC or any of those places. Kind of, yeah. They're funded by the government.

Yes, which they do in the UK too, right? BBC, right? Yeah. They watch that. And it's the same. But that's not... I've told this story before, but I have this memory of watching a sort of news magazine style show in the 70s. I was probably in high school.

And this sort of 60 Minutes style reporter was hammering on this Soviet journalist. Like, you know, why do you repeat only what the government is telling you to repeat? And how can you be a journalist if you're the handmaiden of the government? And finally, this guy was smart, dude. He looks up at this journalist. He goes, hey, he goes, these are different models. In your country, it's a commercial model. In our country, it's a political model.

But trust me, you will distort the news as much or more than we do. Right. Yeah. And here we are. Yeah. Here we are. There's rings in my head, that little interview. I wonder if this Tucker Carlson interview is going to make the american people side with russia more

i'm curious well i think that's what scares everybody right that's going to somehow sway public opinion uh away from wanting to fund this thing in the ukraine and i i uh i you know because i know nothing about these things i've never ever spoken even publicly About how I feel about it Because I really don't know how I'm supposed to feel I'm very anti-war I'm anti-war generally too And I'm anti-military industrial complex But I'm Ukrainian by background

And I was part of the diaspora From the early 20th century That's when my family came over So you feel this a little personal But I only feel it in the sense that horrible things have happened in that region. Right. And I don't understand it all. I don't understand really.

I mean, a Russian-speaking part of the Ukraine got taken over by Russia. Should I care about that? I don't know. And a lot of the Russians love Putin, right? And certainly he's been a bad guy. And he's sort of a mob-type kind of figure. I get who he is, but he's running, you know, who's running our country? Have you seen the latest stuff out about our president?

I mean, he's just the best man for the job. What happened now? I mean, coherent. Is there anything new? Yes, there is something new. Oh, no. As of when, today? As of today.

Caleb, maybe you can throw some of this stuff on the bike again while you were while you were with uh bobby lee and his wife ex-wife that recent uh i'll talk to i want to talk about those guys too in a minute but uh they they came out with a report from the doj they were trying to investigate Biden for the boxes of classified documents left in his garage. And the report was, as a clinician, the report was insane. The inability to answer questions because of memory difficulty and confusion was at the level of forget clinical significance at the level of, oh my God, we have a very serious problem. Here it is. This is a headline. A nightmare. Special counsel's assessment of Biden's mental fitness triggers democratic panic.

A nightmare. That is just a couple hours ago. And they're spinning about it while we are here and uh i i don't it's you know i always before probably before actually before clinton i always thought that whoever's president didn't really matter well we're proving maybe it doesn't matter i don't know but uh when clinton came in i i knew he was an alcoholic sex addict i could just see it and i just knew it and i thought oh shit this is going to be trouble he's my favorite president of the last 30 years i applauded that when i found out he's a he's a he's a brilliant brilliant man a brilliant administrator and i whatever and sin and what that taught me was never to judge the psychological and psychiatric makeup of a president.

I mean, you can judge it. I can assess it, but to, to say it's not appropriate for the office. I can't do that. I feel exactly the same way. Yeah.

And for instance, let me describe one to you. I'll just, this guy, this guy was, had kind of OCD and he was so obsessed that he had syphilis. He made a doctor put him on mercury which he stayed on well into his presidency uh he had periods where he didn't need to sleep for long periods

of time but then he had suicidal depressions that were his friends before he became a public figure used to have to stand watch over him keeps sharp objects away from him when he became president he had such bad what they called melancholy. He was pulling his son down Pennsylvania Avenue one day from the White House to the Capitol building and the red wagon flipped over

and he kept going all the way to the Capitol, didn't realize that his son had flipped out of the wagon. Oh my God. And that was on a muddy Pennsylvania Avenue back a long time ago.

And should that man have been president is my question. All right, so I'm going to assume it's not JFK because of that. But I would have thought JFK because he used to change his shirt six times a day. He also, do you know that JFK had an amphetamine psychosis? I didn't know that. And he actually did cartwheel, threw his clothes off,

did cartwheels down a hotel wall way. You guys don't know this? I didn't either. Look it up. Look it up. They did a whole drunk history on it yeah yeah and he but it was a doctor giving him the amphetamines as always his own doctor necropolis yeah and the doctor and it just craziness i get so mad when

physicians do stuff like that is there a statue in america like if the president is so visibly like there is there is they tried to do that with Trump saying that his psychiatric status was such that he was not appropriate for the office with the 24th amendment, 24th amendment. I think it is. Um, who knows whether that will get pulled out here, but go back to my depressed mercury laden fellow. I don't mind if he's, I don't care anything about their personal lives because I think that to be in that position, with very few exceptions, you have to be a pathological liar.

You have to be comfortable convincing people that you're going to do something that deep down you know you can't do. So I don't give a shit about their mental states. As long as it doesn't interfere with their ability to do the job, I could care less if they're nuts. It doesn't bother me. And so that's actually a great answer.

But I've offered that case up to people and they always go oh no that guy you wouldn't want to present that if if we had held to that standard we would have not allowed abraham lincoln to be the president oh wow was that lincoln huh i didn't know you got to probably probably he was so tall they probably all made fun of how tall and well he he may have had marfan syndrome uh marfan is a syndrome of long digits and high height and they actually have they have a lot of aortic disease like aortic valve disease and all the pictures of him with his leg cross his leg is in it's a little blurry people with aortic valve that kind of aortic valve problem their leg will kind of click up and down

with each beat of the heart and so the theory is maybe that's part of the deal too and they're prone to depression too. Plus Mary Todd was nuts too, wasn't she? Oh boy. They probably clicked on that. They probably had great sex. They probably had great sex. His top hat, his giant penis.

It's why I believe. His big Lincoln penis. Jim, please use that brain for good. Please keep on the side of good, my friend. His Lincoln log. His Lincoln log. His Lincoln log. She went crazy. She couldn't walk anymore.

Well, one of my other stories of her chasing him with knives and things. Crazy, crazy, crazy. Oh, yeah, crazy stuff. And he called off his engagement of her the first time. And my belief is that the reason is because he had this obsession about having gotten syphilis because he saw a prostitute. And when he got put on mercury, that's when he went back and said, and the doctor said, you don't have this thing, but I'll just put you on mercury just to make you happy. Sure. The problem is he stayed on the mercury.

And there's one historian pulled out all this correspondence between him and this doctor back in Springfield maintaining his mercury. The big side effect of mercury is depression. This obsession with syphilis cost him his mental health pretty much. It might have. It might have. I guess he was a good president. I guess he was a good president.

You're right. He was hated during his presidency. They killed him. I don't know. The Civil War. There's a lot of stuff happened. We probably would have lost a lot of great people if we allowed the fact that they're a little crazy that's right and who else gonna go for a job like that except you gotta be a little bit off right you have to be on some level of sociopath to be able to tolerate the level of of criticism you're going to receive i always enjoy enjoy with trump how he will even if it's negative he'll just blurt it out. He'll just say it.

And I respect that because I'm like, that's at least a person that was just. I learned today you spent some time with Mr. Trump. Yes. What happened? What was that? I interviewed him for UFC Unfiltered. And it was a pure sports interview. It was, we talked only because he was a very good friend of the UFC back in the day.

I remember that. Was it during his presidency or before his presidency? This was very recently. This was last summer. Oh, wow. They actually reached out to us and said, Don Jr. is a good friend of mine, and they said, would you like to have Trump Sr. on UFC Unfiltered, which I host with Matt Serra, former welterweight champion.

We're like, yes. It was all about boxing and his contribution in sports. Trump's memory was so good that people thought, people can hate him if they want to, but his memory was so good that people thought, like people can hate him if they want to, but his memory was so good, people thought he was reading off cue cards. Wow. And of course, Nikki was with me.

Matt brought his wife. And he couldn't have been nicer. He was welcoming and he was warm. It was wonderful. My interaction with him, with my wife, was very, very pleasant. And he was just lovely in person. I was full of nerves, and when I first came there, and as soon as he came in the room,

which is gone because you're just watching this figure just speak and talk, he's really good at that. He's really good at making the whole room just... Interesting. Yeah, and by the way, people got mad at me for interviewing him. Hey, if Biden wants to talk about Obama or Bush, I'll be as respectful to any of those guys. I would be delighted to talk to any of them. So you took some shit for doing the interview, right?

Oh, yeah. I didn't care. I knew I would. I could care less. And people have always wanted me to – how come you don't trash Trump when he was on your show? Because Don's a friend of mine. I'm not going to bash them to appease people, by the way, who would lynch me for jokes in a second anyway and people will tell me like why are you supporting trump like he hates people like you but the reality is he had a

miss universe contest uh not that long like 10 years ago or something and a trans woman won that contest and trump overrode everyone and says no i'll let her win so you know what my respect for trump will always be there somewhat because of that. I have this, I'm just, I don't know how to quite frame this question, but we've been talking a little bit about how the politics has invaded the experience of being a transgender individual, right? Yes. Is it just, I don't know how to ask it except this way. Is it ever just going to be mainstreamed?

We're just going to be like get over it let's just be don't know i feel like don't you feel like you're just that's how you'd like to deal with it i feel like a walking political person almost because everyone's politicizing this now but i'm hoping but i honestly feel like that's going to be hard in my lifetime because there's these different nuances right and there's the they and them so they call themselves a trans but transgender means to change the gender you're born and then change it, right? So now there's a diagnosis in place, right? Yeah.

Which now is correlating with what I'm doing, right? And they're on the megaphone, and they're saying this and that, and it just looks bad. You know, trans is not about having the pinkest hair, this and that. It's a real thing. I feel it in my brain. I know that I have some sort of body dysphoria. I have to have that how old were you when you first recognized it i think i was 11 12 which might be reasonably

late for these young trans girls in this day and age but i was feeling it then as puberty was kind of starting to slowly and as puberty is unfolding something clicks in the head and i'm like clock is ticking i gotta fucking hurt i gotta go now and get these hormones because if i think of myself with a beard i would rather kill myself i would rather die than be a man see that's interesting right yeah and believe me i'm so happy she doesn't want a beard but that would be very tough but this is a real fear with and not just to stumble this is me as a man and living as a man i would rather die did you have any images were you exposed i i this is just a one time i've always wondered for some trans individuals going either direction um have we exposed were there like a window a moment where you're exposed

to some imagery or anything where you went oh and you had that's some sort of reaction to it thing like there's no moment no sort of so slowly came on nothing i can't remember one thing or one show because there weren't show 10 years ago in norway about this yeah yeah nothing and i would look it up online and then the only things that i could find were ladyboys in thailand because they've always been prominent right sure i love those sites jim's been prominent there too oh my god i think the laney boys were my first memory it's funny as far as being made it's a good question too like one of the things we do in this youtube channel and i'm not just trying to like whore a plug it's part of it is like this is not this magical crazy thing this is our life together and it's very very relatable yeah like

if people just stopped trying to scold and preach and just, you know, be in a relationship and live the life you want to live, you'd be surprised how similar it is to every other relationship. Of course. Well, except you guys are exceptionally funny. Oh, thank you. Both of you.

I also feel like I have a little different take than maybe what the trans girls do here, because in Norway, like, if you're transgender, you have to go to the national hospital. You have to talk to psychologists there no doctor in social medicine is going to give you hormones and if you just go and say you're transgender did they once you were identified as a certain category did they encourage you to have surgeries if you want to yeah so they left it all up to you if you get the diagnosis and they evaluate you and they think yeah she might want a vagina my friend in norway had srs by the national hospital so yes they do them is she

happy she did that is that that worked for her i asked her she felt indifferent which i think is weird but that's how she she's having certain issues too like there's something she has to have taken care of with it once you get srs you have to dilate for the rest of your life right you have to you have to sit on these dilators essentially is it forever i didn't know it can be i mean it can be it's it's a it's a major it's a big operation it's yeah i'm serious for me i'm very happy i didn't go down that road yet i never knew like what the right answer is for people because i don't i don't know what it's like to be that i don't understand the thinking so i never i don't know what's right or wrong with that because i don't experience it i do believe it's right to be evaluated especially as a young person to do

have a group of psychologists ask you questions whether it's your sexuality or whatever it is i think it's important did it help you organize what this was like did you 110 they helped you manage it oh yes they didn't discourage you or pathologize or they just helped you understand it and it's weird because the allied trans people in norway hate this place right they're like here no the national hospital in norway because they don't believe or agree that you that this is a mental illness or a diagnosis so they just want to like be able to just do it at ease but please remember that there's heavy drugs involved for the rest of your life. And I really believe that Norway is doing this right.

So considering that shit. That's the part that I, so from my perspective, I always want to make sure, because physicians are the ones doing the prescribing and doing the surgeries. Yes. So as always, you have to make sure you're giving the right treatment to the right patient. And it's not, you don't give medication to a non-patient. you don't give medication to a non-patient. You don't do surgeries on a non-patient. These are medical interventions. And for some people, they are absolutely perfect.

And for some people, they may not be so perfect. And we have to be able to identify the difference. And people don't think about the hormones. I worry about liver effects and things. Do you have to have your liver tested all the time? I worry a lot about blood clots. Blood clots also. So my doctor tells me every time you fly long distance,

don't take any estrogen or T-blockers. Just don't take your medications and just fly. And wear compression socks. Take an aspirin before you go. Maybe aspirin I should, yeah. And you don't wear the compression socks. No, but I should. Well, you do get up and walk every so often on the plane.

No, but I should. It's like traveling with a cadaver. I did take my hormones last time just to make sure I didn't land as a man. I don't think it's quite that fast. The blood clots. How long were you in the air for? Yeah, all of a sudden she's got a plug of tobacco in her mouth. I'm like, oh, no.

It was a long flight. No, that's funny. So when you go on Gutfeld, right? Yeah. How long were you first invited over there? I mean, I've known Greg, and I used to live in the same building on 43rd. And I've been going on since it was Red Eye. OK.

So you've been doing it since 2007. OK. Have you done? The point I'm going to make was you've taken a bunch of shit for interviewing Trump, but I experience you as sort of a moderate. Yes. Moderate, yeah. And you would probably be just as happy to go on CNN or MSNBC if there was something interesting going on that you wanted to talk about, right? Of course, because I truly do find them all to be disagreeable.

Right. They're all distorting the truth. Sure. And Greg does it one way. He does it funny and he's funny yeah yeah and other people do it you know seemingly uncannily they you almost can't imagine if you've ever had them do a story on you you'll see how much they distort it right have you ever had much print well here's the great part is well nobody will write about our life but uh ai articles have popped up and very interesting um uh jim norton is now known as Miss Nikki Norton.

These AI articles think I transitioned into Nikki. The AI articles... You should just turn up as Jim Norton. Yes, look what happened. How many surgeries? 100? I mean, I put weight on, so I do have breasts. You're a hysterical hypo. She might be funnier, dude.

Who knows? I know. Nikki has great timing which really bugs me. But yeah the AI articles say that I transitioned into Nikki. She has great timing and she has great relationship with the lens. Her takes and stuff are really funny. Yeah I'm looking at myself on camera by the way for anyone watching this

I know how I look. I just want you to know that I'm aware. I'm sinking into my chair. I'm awful. My profile is horrendous, like a fraud. And to all you people calling me a man, I never got to be a man. I just got to be a boy. Manhood was a little down to earth.

Were your family supportive when this all started happening? They were very supportive. My mom put me up with a psychologist in my very small local town. And he's telling my mom, this is the process. Now we have to refer her to the national hospital. That's just how it is. I like the matter-of-factness of it all. Well, they're very blunt people.

Norwegian is very blunt, I've noticed that. Stoic. She took me right away to a psychologist. Problem solvers. I haven't really had that many negative. With the government and the way that I've been treated by my city or whatever it's been fabulous I can't complain at all

even if it's been long I had to talk to my parents about it too I was in my late 40s when Nikki and I met and I just had the chat with them I really like this person and then your mother wants to know what it means are you gay? which is a normal question they weren't judgmental but they wanted to know what it means. Are you gay? Which is a normal question. They weren't judgmental, but they wanted to know.

My grandfather is very old school. He doesn't even have a phone. And he's from the deep woods. He's like a gnome or something. It's like something from a fairy tale. He's in a tree, actually. Rumpelstiltskin. But he calls me she more than my mom.

So I think my family is very accepting. I have a question. Yeah. In Norway, do they do sexual change below the age of 18? Do they encourage that? I hope for sure that there is a law in place. I don't even know what you call it. Well, I really do hope that there's a law in place that you can't do before you're 18.

But they are talking about it. The leftist in Norway, the trans ally people, usually with the crazy hair colors, are talking about this topic in Norway now and pushing it. And of course, the national, I believe they're saying no, of course not.

But to even push for that is, can I encourage? It's fucking crazy. It's fucking crazy. Who believes that? And if I say this now It's fucking crazy. It's fucking crazy. Who believes that? And if I say this now, then they will hate me. For what? That's crazy. You're talking about early, pre-puberty.

Having SRS under 18 is a non-discussable thing. I have to be honest, though. I've seen it be good. I've seen it be bad. I've seen it be good. Again, it's how do you select the right person for it? And that's what you're reacting to. It's like, how can you possibly do that before you're an adult?

Right? Right. And I agree with you in principle, but I have seen it. I've witnessed it where I'm like, oh, this person's getting benefits. Where it actually works. Where it works. There might have been times where they've done it in Norway. I mean, I do know some Norwegian trans people who have gone.

I think there's one or two that I know have done the surgeries. Do I know if they were under 18? I't know so maybe that was an individual yeah person to person maybe they started hormones when they were eight like what do i know right right right um so it's interesting these are these are very challenging and they should be taken very seriously but i do believe that pushing this in general is crazy because the average person by the way should not be doing that or even thinking about it's crazy you should be thinking about after two three years about with psychology in the picture right i i think that's right i knew a a porn star who was uh before obviously before i knew nikki

she was uh uh getting the look at porn everything everything. Oh, no, no. But no, I hung out with her a couple of times and she was going to have surgery after. Like, you know what I mean? Like, we hung twice and she's like, yeah, I'm getting, this is the last time. After dinner? Not after dinner. Yes, we had a steak and then she went into the,

dropped off at the hospital and picked her up in the morning. No, not after dinner. This, again, that's a literal question of my Norwegian wife. No, she was going for SRS. And I was like, oh, I wanted to ask her why. Because she described it and I was like, that's all cosmetic. But it wasn't my place. I didn't know her well.

She did it and she seems very happy. So I think I was wrong. That's all we're all interested in, right? Is that people be happy and be who they're supposed to be. I've heard answers, though, like just to look good in a bikini or jeans and that's not good enough no no no i don't think i don't think it's right i don't think that's a good reason yeah just wear your bikini as you are who cares you said literal is is is norwegian they're very literal is that part of their they don't have irony is that something no like this is true too like uh we will talk dirty or

something and i'll and she'll like answer me real like it's like i'm being a pervert like i'm like yeah i'd like to watch you get gangbanged she's like you wouldn't like that i know i know i wouldn't i'm not i'm not sure you would you'd be jealous what do you mean i know having fun just being Oh my God, that's hysterical. Yeah, I think he's very literal. But I want to get back to the CNN, Fox, or the landscape of the news. Like I said, I was years on CNN, years on CNN. And I used to go from Fox to CNN to MSNBC and do all the news of old, meaning five years ago,

four or five years ago, was if you had something interesting to say, and they were engaged in a topic that you wanted to talk about, you went on that network, and you did it. I remember seeing you in Norway, actually, on TV. You were there, too. CNN, probably, because they used to do a lot of CNN. Not CNN.

It was some other show. Blue Walls, Tables, many tables. I don't know why I'm remembering that. I know, but that doesn't sound very specific. And then I think maybe you lifted something, and you said, this is not good. I don't remember why i'm remembering that i know that doesn't that doesn't maybe you lifted something and you said this is not good i don't remember is it were we in windows like no window i'm imagining a blue wall lifted something the talk show like a light blue wall or no was i hosting something was it yeah i remember you were there as a guest i think so i do remember was there an african--American lady on it, too?

I don't remember that. This is probably 15 years ago. Oh, it was probably Loveline back on MTV. Ah, that could be it. Maybe you're not old enough for that. I don't know. How old were you? Yeah, MTV was international, for sure.

Yeah, yeah. I think it was 9, 10 when I saw it. Seen you on TV. Yeah, so way back there. Yeah, makes you feel old. I think that was Loveline. Yeah, yeah. With Adam Carolla.

Yeah, so Adam, who you just saw, he and I hosted that show. Yeah, maybe I was watching that at nine, and now, oh, I'm a doctor. There we are. And by the way, I love Gottfeld, because Gottfeld gave me a great compliment. I've been going on his show since 2007, and he said to me, probably about a year ago, he goes, you know, I've had you on for so many years, and I still don't know your politics. Like, because they've never forced me. Like, I agree with some of it.

I don't agree with some of it. I'm the same way. I'm the same way with them. My job is to be funny, not to toe any particular line. Like, I like Sean Hannity. Why? Because he had me on his show, and he treated me great. Right.

No, that's right. I like Hannity. Fine. Don't like him. But I like him because he's good to me. But this is the point. Most of us that go on these news outlets would go on everybody's. Sure.

Because at least those of us that are sort of moderate or whatever. It's just so odd that because we go on Gutfeld, we're not allowed to go on these other things. Yeah. And that is bad. It's one of the many ways things are getting siloed, where people aren't hearing other ideas or other points of views. Although I did see Geraldo on CNN today.

I like Geraldo. Cause he says things that will really annoy people that like him. And I liked what I like about RFK too. They say things that people who like them will disagree with. And I respect that. Yeah. RFK has been great. Yeah.

He has been very interesting. I thought Gutfeld should get him in on there. I think that'd be really interesting. I know I've interviewed him once years ago. he was running it was so fascinating he was talking about the assassination of jfk we're off the air of course yeah yeah uh but just he's such a an interesting person to me i think that's probably who i would vote for because i just can't in good conscience i i don't dislike trump i don't hate trump but the bottom line is he'll put another person on the supreme court who would love to see us not be able to get married. So I can't go for that either.

Interesting. Yeah. I worry about myself in that I have, like, no reaction to Trump. I don't hate him. I don't love him. I just, nothing. It's just like, I don't understand Trump derangement. It really is crazy.

Like, they can't think of anything positive. But they can't think of anything else. Well, then the other thing is it vilifies everyone that has anything to do with them so if if trump if republican all bad all evil well that's not a way to get things done in this country i'm sorry many years ago i interviewed him on the phone um and i was praising obama because he he he literally sent in the mission that got bin laden he sent in people to pakistan and trump's like anybody would have done that like he was on the phone i think i said can you name anything that obama did that you like

yeah um but i didn't agree with him on that like you know you don't have to like obama but he did the right thing there yes so it goes both ways where people just don't give each other credit if they don't you know i can't give you one point because that's a point i'm losing do you see a way we can sort of get back some sort of unity, some sort of something? Yes. Pretend that the problem, stop pretending that politics is the problem. It's not.

It's not Democrats. It's not Republicans. It's the fact that we are narcissists. And narcissists want to see things in their own world, their own worldview to be the only worldview that's seen. So the problem is us, and it's always been us, and we are selfish, and we are self-centered, and we don't want to listen to other people. We are the problem. It's not Trump, and it's always been us, and we are selfish, and we are self-centered, and we don't want to listen to other people. We are the problem.

It's not Trump, and it's not Biden. It's us. Because if it was them, we would have had two separate candidates ready to go, but we don't. And so I completely agree with you. And Adam Kroll and I have always said, all roads lead to narcissism.

Yeah. And lots of childhood trauma in the last 30 years, and that creates narcissism. I actually wrote a book on narcissism yeah and lots of childhood trauma in the last 30 years and that creates narcissism i actually wrote a book on narcissism and i wanted to put a chapter in it about the french revolution pre-revolutionary france because that's the only period of history that i could figure had the similar problems in psychology and i was predicting at that time that there would be mobs and guillotines right because that's what narcissists do they have unregulated rage and they gather together and focus it somewhere else now if history is any if that's true if my little theory is correct it took like a napoleon to come in and put a stop to it because you know everybody kept

putting everybody else back up in the guillotine you know first it was the jacobins and then sainte-colotte and then the royalists and then it just it just keeps going people just take revenge revenge revenge revenge that's very interesting and uh and napoleon finally military coup came and said stop i would like to see us stop it on our own without having to do something stupid right right without having to have a short little band right that might be turns out turns out he wasn't short what he really i've been studying the hell out of this lately but at his death he was exact average for a frenchman at the time. And it was the Germans and the English that hated him. They were trying to create this image of him, of this little man.

And they were just constantly making a cartoon character out of him. Napoleon Complex. Yes. Yeah. But it turns out he wasn't even short. What was he, like 5'2"? No, he was like, I think 5'6 1⁄2 or 5'7 1⁄2. Oh, yeah, exactly.

Tiny man. He was a wee. Yes, and I do have that complex. It fits perfectly. So, Susan, anything? We've sort of run the cycle here a bit. Anything on your stamp? We had Dill Bigtree here yesterday,

and he was telling us that you can vote the We the People party. Oh, for RFK. Yeah. In California. In California, yeah. So if you're in California and you want to vote for him, you have to change your affiliation to We the People. You go to other, and then you write in We the People. But apparently, he's got like 35% right now.

Does he really? Yeah. Oh, it's going to be great to see. It's going to hurt one of them. It's probably going to hurt Trump more, I think, just the way Ross Perot kind of wrecked it for George Bush Sr. Yeah, we're all like, oh, you know he's not going to win, right? But for some reason, he's

really breaking through and getting his point across. He's got some interesting points of view. He's got a good opportunity because Biden's a mess. Yeah, Biden's a total, and Kamala's just not a likable person. I can't see myself, Democrats voting for Biden. Something's going to change. Yeah, Biden's a total. And Kamala's just not a likable person. I can't see myself, Democrats, voting for Biden. Something's going to change. Well, particularly now with this outrage, this big dust-up today.

It could all settle back down, I suppose. But it feels like something's going to happen. He goes in and out of consciousness. Well, you just, in the last two days, mentioned meeting Francoitterrand, who in 2021, who was dead in 2017, or wasn't no longer in France, or no longer the president of France, and also Helmut Kohl, who also was dead. And by the way, having dealt with a lot of old people,

they start talking about people who are up in heaven right before they make their way up. So I'll just put that on the record. Well, do you remember, so what's her name? What was her name? She was a Republican representative who was killed in a car accident. Jackie, I forget her name. Jackie something.

She died in a car accident. And Biden liked her. But like a week later, he goes, where's Jackie? Yeah. But mind you, that was about a year and a half ago. Things are a lot worse since then. His brains are mashed potatoes. And we all know it.

And everyone knows it. It's abusive. It's so weird that we don't have something are mashed potatoes, and we all know it. And everyone knows it. It's abusive. It's so weird that we don't have something in the Constitution that changes that. We do. We have Article 24, the 24th Amendment. Yeah, tell me about it. It is if the patient, well, I think it was, if I'm correct, I don't know if this is correct or not, but I think it was put in place because Woodrow Wilson had a massive stroke and was unable to communicate.

And his wife essentially ran things for about six months. Oh, wow. And she would sort of pretend to shuttle in stuff and that you're not allowed to be around him. He doesn't feel good and he's in bed. And she'd come back out. He couldn't talk. He was completely gone.

And she'd make the decisions. Isn't it crazy where we're at right now? We have an 81-year-old man we're accusing of having dementia. We dementia we have a 77 year old man we're accusing of being crazy like those are our two choices i know i mean we really uh americans are not as bright as we think we are we're very coward does that freak you out as a yes i mean what do you think we're doing i just want a normal 55 year old woman to be president sure sure that's what i want okay just something normal yes i like the younger generation 25th amendment caleb is reminding me not 24th what's that 24th you like what susan for president i know i know i am not going into politics no i just i just want

somebody young with a fresh brain that has common sense we do need young we need to support and develop and put young people in charge. Like in Finland, they have that very, or they did, that woman who was like 30, and I loved her. She seemed great. They made her step down because there was a video of her partying or something. Yes, I saw that. That was New Zealand, wasn't it? No, no, it was

Finland. Oh, okay. So that's, I'm hoping for something like that. Give me a little more history lesson. So Finland and Sweden and Norway. Finland is not Scandinavia. Right. That's a Nordic country. It's Nordic and it's more associated with like.

Iceland is not Scandinavia. Oh, I didn't know that. Norway, Sweden, and Denmark are Scandinavia. Interesting. And so Finland, what is their ethnicity really? Are they closer to Russia? Yeah. So they have like the weirdest language ever to me. Apparently it's the hardest one to learn of all.

I can understand Danish and Swedish, but Icelandic, no. But Finland, definitely. Finnish, definitely not. And Estonia is a bunch of Finnish people that got isolated next to Lithuania, essentially. You've been to that part of the world? I have no idea what you're talking about. I know nothing.

All I know is when I hear her and her family speaking Norwegian, they sound like they would have hit each other with an ax. It's not a... And I'm like, what the fuck's the problem? And she's like, oh, my dad and I are just having a joke. I'm like, what? Like, it's a very harsh... But it's not German harsh.

I know. I think Norwegian is a bit more cute because we kind of sing a song. I would say it has more lyrical qualities. Yes. But these are smart people. I mean, I think of the Danes as being mathematically very smart. Yes. Swedes in Norway, very smart.

Yeah, when I look at how well she picked up English and just, it's insane. Like, I have no grasp of foreign languages, but how fast she understands culture and the things we do here and I truly forget that Nikki is not from so yeah her adaptability is a lot better than mine would have been at any age of my life I could never have adjusted like that but that's you that's Jim Norton that's me you know yeah yeah I mean I'm it's not my strength all right so where do you want people to go? Talk some more. Tell them where to go. Oh, by the way, before we do that, how was Bobby Lee and Kalilah? Oh, my God. It was amazing.

They were so nice. I met Bobby Lee once before Montreal. So it was good. It was really, really good. Hilarious. They're hilarious. It was really funny. We had a great time.

I mean, that was Bobby. And I told him, he's like a freight train of energy. Like, he really is. Like, he just kind of, and he's just, he's always interesting. Yes. So no matter what he's saying, it doesn't matter because you're like, what an interesting brain. Yes, yes. I don't know if it's true.

I don't know if it's a lie. I told Bobby, I probably believed about 20% of what he said in all the years I've known him. I don't care. He's always interesting. I love Bobby Lee. I don't care. He's always interesting. I love Bobby Lee. And she's great. Kalilah is great with him. She's wonderful.

Kalilah. Kalilah is great with him. She's funny, really smart. It's a great show. I mean, I was very happy. I think it was really funny, the episode we did. It was. I had a great time.

He has one of the most horrific addiction war stories have you ever heard his worst stories some of them yeah with his mom and stuff it's like oh dude you're real deal drug addict oh yeah real deal drug addiction stuff and um he's doing well now he goes in he's been in and out a little bit lately but that's why that's why he's supposed to call me and he never calls me bobby lee called dr i know he literally he he got on his knees, did he not, and promised me that he would call me. We were on a stage in Austin, Texas in front of 1,000 people or something. Forgot to give you his phone number.

Yeah. I think he's picked up the cigarette again. So maybe. Maybe you can give him a call. He gets weird and shamey. And he's like, I'm not going to shame him. I'm going to help him. Help him.

I'm sober. We've talked before over the years. I'm like, just if you ever need to. I'm not going to shame him. I'm going to help him. I'm sober. We've talked before over the years. I'm like, just if you ever need to. I didn't think of it today. But he knows I'm here, too. He's had long periods of really serious sobriety. Yeah, he did. But when he slips, I can always tell.

He gets kind of goofy emotionally, and then he stops connecting with people. You know how it goes. Oh, my God. Yeah, the last thing you want to do. Luckily, I have not relapsed. I'm grateful because i know i wouldn't communicate with anybody sober for that that's my whole life yeah but that's what happens you start pulling back and sure that's giving you that's creating the space for the relapse because you don't want to talk to people if you realize if i went out and did drugs again or drank i would want to talk to people in my life now right and explain myself right like

i have a a sponsor i talked to in a program for sex addiction and um you know like i'm not i'm not cheating i've never cheated on nikki which is insane to say that i've never actually strayed but like if i went to porn again it's it's always hard to pick up the phone to call my sponsor because i like i don't want to hear it you should do meetings once a week no i know but but when you don't pick up the phone you're you're saying i'm going to do this i'm leaving the room to relapse i can always tell when jim has not been in a meeting in a while i always feel it it's like a wave but it comes slow my mood is different like my mood i'm just not as happy and you can start to tell i'm not connected spiritually i'm'm on edge. I'm weird. I don't even know what I want.

I just want dopamine. Yeah, yeah. It's all dopamine. But your disease has got a plan. Yeah. And that plan involves, you're already in relapse at that point. Oh, yeah, yeah. Where they say the drink is the end of the slip or whatever, I guess, or the tug.

Yeah. And Bobby's exactly like that, too. Because when I talk to him, I'm like, oh, dude, here we go. Come on now. And he's like, well, fuck you. I don't know. I'm fine. I was talking to your sponsor six months ago.

Yeah. Well, all right. Whatever. It's very hard to make yourself, because it feels good to act out. Acting out's fun. I love acting out. I mean, it's really, the fact that I don't do it with other people is, again, it's a miracle with my history. It's crazy that I don't do with other people is is again it's a miracle with

my history it's crazy that i don't i don't want to cheat on nikki because i love you but but it was there's a more nourishing alternative the one you're on and you will lose your disease will take away so much it will take away stuff from you and i'll never be able to say i didn't do it like i i even if she didn't catch me i would know i did it and now one thing i feel good about is that i haven't done it and i'm not gonna do it not only that if you kept the secret you wouldn't be able to be sober you wouldn't be able to maintain the abstinence because then now it's just to be on yeah you know the shame and the guilt and the shame and whatever yes and the fact it would be fun and i want to do more of it uh oh interesting apparently the

president united states about to speak live from the white house caleb on what topic on his own uh that's what they're saying yeah they're saying he's about to speak after the special counsel report but the timing of it is interesting because that just came out with the whole putin interview just came out recently so your baby raising us i hear your and your babies the door. Somebody said really nice on Rumble, Trey Missington said, peace to you all, if and whenever possible, in a world full of confusion,

impressive how you bring so much love and points of truth into it, with a little angel face. And then there was a little love fest after that. Thank you. Well, very nice. And yeah, go watch Biden. He's going to talk into a tin cup facing a plant. Yeah, now that we're all loving each other, we can all go.

Yeah, so see if the world can reconstitute a little bit. But we got to meet you guys in New York, go back to that fish restaurant. Yes, Ocean. Great, great restaurant. That was nice. Yeah, we'll do that again when we're here. Yeah, we love you. Thank you.

We love you both. We appreciate this. We'll show you a little bit of Pasadena. Yeah, we'll go out there. It's not New York, but it's got its perks. Where do you want people to go? Tell them where to go. At Nicky and Jim NYC is the YouTube if you want to see our life, and we're starting a

podcast there. And then... You're doing a tour at JimNorton.com. JimNorton.com if you want to see my act and hear a lot about her penis. And Miss Nicky Norton, MS Nicky Norton, and Jim Norton on Instagram. And then don't forget his serious radio program, Jim Norton and Sam Roberts, right? And Sam had a baby today.

Congratulations. Oh, my gosh. Congratulations. Third child for Sam and Jess, so congratulations. Is Sam Roberts the same one we knew before? No. No, there's a singer, right? Sam Phillips.

Oh, no, this is a... There's a male. A guy who only eats chicken fingers but likes wrestling. All right. Let's throw up really quickly the upcoming schedule. I know we've got a special show on Monday. I want to promote that quickly. We've got, yes, James O'Keefe from The Truth Project.

Oh, yeah. Veritas, right? Veritas, yes. Jimmy Dore, Alex Berenson coming in. Zuby, Rob Henderson, Tessie Lohr, Tess Lohr, Willie Soon. Great guests. Thank you, Emily Barsh, for all that.

And if you have requests, contact at drdrew.com. We'll consider people you might want to talk to or have me talk to. And so, again, Monday. And it's Monday at noon. Is that correct? Yes. Monday is noontime. So be there for James O'Keefe.

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