Ask Dr. Drew - Omicron Boosters Untested On Humans: Under AB 2098, Can Doctors Be Punished For Questioning Safety? – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 121

Episode Date: September 10, 2022

Dr. Drew answers your calls LIVE on AB 2098 (California’s “medical misinformation” bill), new Omicron boosters that weren’t tested on humans, Dr. Fauci’s recent statements on “annual updated Covid-19 shots” and more from your questions! 「 ABOUT the SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 SPONSORED BY 」 • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get 10% off with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew 「 GEAR PROVIDED BY 」 • BLUE MICS - After more than 30 years in broadcasting, Dr. Drew's iconic voice has reached pristine clarity through Blue Microphones. But you don't need a fancy studio to sound great with Blue's lineup: ranging from high-quality USB mics like the Yeti, to studio-grade XLR mics like Dr. Drew's Blueberry. Find your best sound at https://drdrew.com/blue • ELGATO - Every week, Dr. Drew broadcasts live shows from his home studio under soft, clean lighting from Elgato's Key Lights. From the control room, the producers manage Dr. Drew's streams with a Stream Deck XL, and ingest HD video with a Camlink 4K. Add a professional touch to your streams or Zoom calls with Elgato. See how Elgato's lights transformed Dr. Drew's set: https://drdrew.com/sponsors/elgato/ 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 For over 30 years, Dr. Drew has answered questions and offered guidance to millions through popular shows like Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Dr. Drew On Call (HLN), Teen Mom OG (MTV), and the iconic radio show Loveline. Now, Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio. Watch all of Dr. Drew's latest shows at https://drdrew.tv Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, right now we are doing a test run. I am getting a crazy reverb in my headset here, and I don't know if you guys are hearing the same thing. So any of you on Restream or over at the Rumble Rants, please let us know what you're hearing. If you are not hearing anything uncomfortable, then I will forge ahead and just, it will test my powers of concentration.

I've got a lot to talk about. I want to discuss something about the new vaccines, this new Omicron-specific vaccine or bivalent vaccine. I also want to kind of readdress the AB 2098, this California bill that is going to silence physicians and try to sort of refine my position on that a little bit. So it seems like you guys are not, I don't see anything. Oh, sounds great on their end, on Facebook.

So Caleb, I think we can proceed. So let's do it. Our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for f*** sake.

Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. And we used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat.

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Whether you own a bustling hair salon or a hot new bakery, you need business insurance that can keep up with your evolving needs. With flexible coverage options from TD Insurance, you only pay for what you need. TD, ready for you. Well, thank you all for the feedback. Let's see if i can test my powers of concentration you know what that's like when you have something coming back maybe when i'm speaking i will just pull my earpieces out in fact that's what i will do so i have to listen to that crazy echo so uh what i was wanting to talk about before i do take i will take calls over on the rumumble Rants and do let me know if

there's anything going on with the sound. And of course, yes, you are hearing a dog barking in the background. That's perfect timing. And my wife is gone, so there's nobody here to corral them. So perfect, perfect. And of course, Caleb, let me talk to you for a second. As soon as Susan's out for a minute, you and I get ourselves right into trouble. Literally the one time Susan is gone. Wait, see, does this help? Test one, two? No. We have tried everything. We have tried

everything and we cannot figure it out. But, you know, I'll just concentrate and that'll be that. You're not having it at your end, are you? No, it's all completely clear over here. Everything's fine. That's why I think it might be something physical with the mixer board or something like that. It's got to be. It's got to clear over here. Everything's fine. That's why I think it might be something physical with the mixer board or something like that. It's got to be. It's got to be.

So I'll keep my powers of concentration tuned. And I'm going to pull my headset off, Caleb. So if you need to talk to me, you're going to have to text me on the phone or something. But I wanted to talk about Bill 2098 in California. So this is AB 2098. This is a bill put forward by a pediatrician representative whom I previously had had a fair bit of... The front doorbell is actually going off now. Caleb, couldn't the front door have been five minutes ago and we were screwing around with this?

I don't even know what to do. I literally don't know what to do. Shall I get up and answer the door? And leave the stream going for a second nothing better than a little reality i could do a we could we could yes go ahead i'll do some technical yeah do it do uh we're taking a little break i will do that and i will come right back i got a lot to say we're gonna get into it today so give me a second all right caleb we good all All good. You're live.

All right. So thank you all for your patience on that. There will still be more noise, but there's nothing I can do about it. Just the series of unfortunate events, as they say. So back to AB 2098. This is a bill by a pediatrician whom I had pushed forward some other vaccine bills that I was sort of in favor of. And now I feel like he has gotten over his skis and gone too far. He is essentially saying that misinformation, and they're saying specifically about COVID. I don't know if you're aware, but there is a lot of misinformation in medicine out

there all over the place. There are people that are not qualified to make some of the sweeping declarations that they do. And there are people that are qualified and still say things that are outrageous. So we have a full spectrum of very, a lot of misinformation flying around when it comes to healthcare. And we've always taken the position in this country that that was just sort of part of being in a free society and you know caveat emptor i have seen some literally i've seen physicians who were actively psychotic practicing medicine i've seen patients physicians who were demented practicing medicine please stop please stop oh my god here we are so uh be that as it may um is that are they going into the room?

Is that the plan? All right. Let her be. It's all right. We're now chasing around trying to collect dogs. So thank you, everybody, for bearing with this. This is about as professional as you get, I guess. Speaking of professionals acting unprofessionally.

And, of course, there are people that have no business saying some of the things that they say because they literally don't have the training or the fund of knowledge to say it. And yet we allow that to happen, but to allow physicians to question orthodoxy publicly, particularly when orthodoxy is based on a bureaucratic sort of infrastructure, that is a problem. That to me is a really bad problem. When you look at the history of medicine, it has always been the scientists and the physicians that sort of brought up question marks, not have gone into outer space with hubristic assailing of the current orthodoxy, but people have said, I don't get this. I don't see it. Let's talk about this some more. Perhaps this isn't necessarily the right way to go. And it literally would be impossible to do that,

certainly publicly. And I just know how the Board of Medical Quality Assurance works in this state. And anybody can say anything anonymously or on the record. And it is dealt with as though it is a police report filed by a police investigator in a crime event. And literally, you have to respond in writing, you have to provide documentation, you have to put references for your position back. And so let's take, I think I mentioned this once before, let's say your 20-year-old son comes into my office and we start talking about, is vaccine a good or a bad idea? So we have this Omicron vaccine now. It's only been tested on mice.

Generally, what I would tell somebody like that is, you know, we really know what we're doing with people over 65, certainly over age 75, where the risk reward is clearly worth it, even though this vaccine was just developed on mice. This is a very similar paradigm to what we do with the flu vaccine, and it works very nicely. So I'm going to guess this is worth the risk for a 75-year-old who really can have bad complications from Omicron. We've known forever that people younger really don't have a lot of risk with this thing,

not to say that they never get into trouble, but to say the risk is extremely low. And so the question then is, could the vaccine risk be higher than the risk of the COVID itself? Well, we have a circulation article out now that showed a five-time greater risk of myocarditis from the vaccine as compared with the COVID itself. People have assailed that study. I think it's a pretty good study. All these studies are worthy of being deconstructed and examined very carefully. But I'm going to say, I'm going to hang my hat on this one a little bit and say, hmm, I'm going to worry about that, even though the incidence is very, very low, very, very low. If that 20-year-old said, you know what, I want to go to, I don't know, some country that requires a vaccine, and I'm not worried about it. And by the way, I had the Pfizer, and it really didn't bother me.

I'd go, okay, all right. I worry about Moderna because that was the one that had the myocarditis. I wonder if there's a world in which we can give lower doses to some of these younger people, but no one has done those studies yet. But Pfizer is lower dose. So, okay, why don't we do the Pfizer Omicron if that's what you want to do? But if you're concerned about it, it's a rational position to say, I'd rather get the Omicron. By the way, probably already been exposed to it. And there are not a lot of good ways of testing for that to see whether you have the neutralizing antibodies for it yet. Now, that conversation,

if that patient, the 20-year-old, got angry for some reason and went out to the Board of Medical Quality Assurance and just made a complaint because I discussed misinformation with him, and he could easily go to his friends and go, would you mind making a complaint also? Here's what he did. Literally, you can make as many complaints as you want, many people as they want, and each of those will be dealt with as a criminal action. Not criminal in the sense that it'll go to criminal case,

but criminal in the way the due process plays out. It requires a similar kind of defense, and it may require hiring attorneys for each one. I'm going to tell you something. Doctors froze in the early part of COVID. That's why we got so much crappy care. People weren't trying to follow up and find ways to manage this illness. They just froze and were scared because they were in an employment structure that said, just send them

home. They did the same thing with the opioid epidemic. I was there as it happened. There were a couple of cases of both criminal and civil action against physicians for under-treatment of pain. Physicians froze, stopped treating pain, stopped prescribing opiates, sent everybody with pain to the pain specialist. And the pain specialist took the position that pain is whatever the patient says it is and pain control is whatever the patient says it is. And now it was on. Now it was on. That's how the opioid crisis happened. It's still happening to this day. So there we are. Do we want, there it

is. Caleb is putting up the medical misinformation bill. I will be unable to talk to Dr. Victory or any of the more interesting kind of interviews we've had here. And I got to say that talking to these people for me has flushed out a lot of things. There's a lot of stuff that I didn't understand. I spent most of the early part of the pandemic going, we're closing the world down for respiratory virus. What? What is going on? Yeah, it's dangerous, but close the world for a virus that's just going to do what it's going to do, no matter what we do. I didn't understand that they, meaning the authority structure in public health, which we discovered, A, has way more authority than any of us ever knew. B, they believed the Chinese Communist Party when they said they had a zero COVID policy that worked and they adopted it in

full, every piece of it. And we're trying to do something to get to vaccine. And once they got to vaccine, nobody was allowed to question vaccine as the answer and salvation to everything. And if you look back at all the rhetoric around the vaccine, it was crazy. Unvaccinated shouldn't be allowed to. Literally, they should be ostracized. They shouldn't be allowed to get health care. They shouldn't be allowed to literally they were they were so they should be ostracized they shouldn't be allowed to get health care they shouldn't be allowed to get insurance yeah because they were the source it was remember the pandemic of the unvaccinated and if one of the things that has not been

corrected underlying all that fear-mongering was this notion of the asymptomatic carrier which does not exist the asymptomatic carrier does which does not exist. The asymptomatic carrier is not a significantly infecting agent. So there's my sort of setup here. And yes, you are all interested in side effects of the vaccine. And I'm sitting quietly trying to figure out if there's really something here or not. More to be revealed. We do know that there has been excess death worldwide in young people. We don't know. Yeah, it could be confirmation virus. All right, Dick.

But the Dick Sapp here, the confirmation virus cuts both ways, right? So you have to be very careful about what we do to try to understand all this data that's coming in. I know Alex Berenson has a very specific opinion. Steve Kirsch has a very specific opinion. They could be right. I'm not prepared to say that yet. I'm not prepared to say that I know that these guys can prove that what we're seeing is related to that. I do know that as time goes on, I'm seeing more and more and more. And I mean lots of rather serious consequences from the vaccine. It's not trivial. It's not like the flu shot. Flu shot, I've had out of the many thousands of flu vaccines I've given,

the childhood vaccines I've helped all out and sent kids in for, I've seen two reactions and they were usually acute allergic reactions and that was that this i have seen now dozens of reactions of sort of long covid it looks like well essentially the same thing as long covid from the vaccine now there is absolute denial out there that this exists but i assure you i assure you people that are not prone to hyperbole or histrionics friends of mine very and by the way they've taken it very stoically they still will will not say that they would rather have not gotten the vaccine. They stick with the risk-reward, and they just got a bad end of the stick on their risk-reward sort of diathesis.

I, though, if we had done that, again, my friends are a little bit older, so kind of like, okay, I get it. But if that were a 20-year-old we made sick or a 25-year-old, even a 30-year-old, I worry about that. Now, I did hear over the weekend about a cardiologist, excellent cardiologist, who initially was circumspect about the vaccine and worried about the myocarditis, who has completely flipped to just get the vaccine. And I'm going to try to get a hold of this person. I may even interview for this show to try to get an understanding of that. There are a lot of people out there that are scared and controlling.

That don't seem to be the, you know, it sort of is like people's risk tolerance. We're sort of seeing people's behavior as it pertains to their risk tolerance. Maybe my risk tolerance is too high. I think it's time for a little courage, a little of the stoic philosophy to kind of step in. All right, let's see what Dick said. How many vaccine people also take medication for anxiety? Dick, I don't know. I don't know offhand. I understand that for every, I think it was a bit of a son, but I've seen all that, Dick. Okay, so let me go quickly, if you don't mind, over to the restream, and then we'll go over. And what I'll do is I'll take a little break, and then we'll go to calls.

Let's see. Yeah, it's interesting to me that one of the interesting – yes, it was Catherine with Pumpkinhead. Thank you for that. That was one of the big vaccines. Oh, we can't take calls. Hmm. Caleb, I'm going to put my earpiece in.

Are you telling me is this something we can fix during the break? Maybe? I'm working on it. I'm trying to figure out what the actual issue is, but it seems like it's something with the physical board that's over at your end that's making everything cross. And so everyone on the stream can hear it all wonderfully. It's just in your headset and on the phone are the only places that are not working. So did Susan report that to you you is that what's yeah so it's anyone that's listening on the spaces it's a bit echoey apparently damn it hmm she's she said there was one setting that was changed over the weekend but i she's she's on her way back to look at it. Is she going to be able to go back in and re-store that change? Possibly. Oh, I hope because we have shows all week. Okay.

Well, let's get all the business out of the way so when we can hear ourselves and take calls, we'll be free and clear. So unless she wants to be here, well, she'll talk about that when she gets here. So let's do some business and then we'll get back and I've got some more to say. I think we have found the holy grail of skincare. GenuCell has absolutely changed certainly my skincare regimen.

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and the code is D-R-E-W. So we're back. Someone on the restream made a very nice recommendation to go see this, to listen to this week in virology. And I listened to a lot of different virologists and here is my concern about most of them. Let me see who these people are that are doing this particular one that he recommends. I can't quite see. Well, I will just say that the problem I have with most of the virological sort, and you know, I've had the virologist on this stream too. We had Dr. Nock on here. Maybe we'll get him back as well. But there's a limitation on, oh, I do listen to This Week in Virology.

I have a list then. But most of it is disconnected from the clinical world. They are either non-clinicians themselves or they are clinicians that are not doing a lot of clinical work. And so they're not seeing are not doing a lot of clinical work and so they're not seeing the clinical syndromes they're not seeing the sort of manifestations of the covid they're not seeing the manifestations of the vaccine side effects and uh and they're staying with the virology which is great which i love that god i used to listen i used to listen this podcast all the time actually uh so the the people in it are, if you'll see,

let's see, Vincent Raniello, two science professors, right. They're not clinicians. And they're looking at the science. And the problem with the science is it's always behind the clinical reality. And I'm seeing the clinical material. I'm seeing hundreds and hundreds of COVID patients.

And I'm going to tell you that they are not exactly reflecting the reality. They are reflecting the orthodoxy and then staying with the science such as we know it. And they're very good. It's funny. I haven't listened to that part in a while. But I used to listen to it well before the COVID epidemic. So we'll see. We'll see how it shakes out. But I generally find the virologies,

and I listen to a bunch of different virologists, they are much more alarmist than they necessarily should be because they are thinking about the scientific potential. They're thinking about, they've been focused on the virus only and not on, again, the clinical manifestations, how people, it's really easy to get very focused on long COVID and freak out. It's very easy to get focused on your brain's going to shrink. Yeah, the body heals, everybody. The body heals. Yes, your brain does shrink, and then it comes back. That's the nature of adult neurology when it comes to infectious disease. So unless you're much, much much older than sometimes it does not though we have vaccines for that right so here we go uh yeah jurgen i'm saying that's exactly

that happen jurgen thank you for your your recommendation that happens all the time now i'm not saying anecdotal evidence i'm seeing clinical my clinical experience is such that I find and have find for much of this pandemic, that virologists have been behind the clinical experience such as we have had it dealing with this illness out there in the world. And that's always the way it is. That is always the way it is. It's so common in medicine for us to improvise and find clinical solutions to problems that the science catches up with later. That's very, very common. And sometimes it takes years for the science to catch up. That is extremely common. I will, Juergen. I will listen to that. I promise. I believe I am in touch with the science. I certainly read it very carefully. I read a lot

of it. And maybe, Juergen, you should listen to some other podcast about the science like vene prasad vene prasad veni prasad is a clinician and he's an excellent student of scientific literature excellent and he is somebody that is a great job of bringing the two worlds together the science and the the clinical. And same with Monica Gandhi. Monica Gandhi is an excellent clinician, and neither one of them, when I listen to them in their podcast or when they're guesting on other people's shows, neither of them have anything level of alarm that I consistently hear in the virology world.

Now we'll see. We'll see. Jurgen, what I'm saying is clinical experience is not science i understand that i get that but in my experience 40 years practicing medicine this is an extremely common phenomenon maybe it'll be completely bass-ackward this time where the science will be ahead of the the clinical it's possible It's never happened in my clinical experience. So there we go. We'll see. We'll see.

I'll watch them and we'll listen and we'll see. Other things you were saying out there? I'm looking at your guys' restream. And let me get over to, I'm sorry, to the folks over in the Rumble rant, which you guys are up to there. Who is the science now? Right. Dick Sapier going wild there. Does it make sense that experience gives more input than now? Right. Dick Sapier going wild there.

Does it make sense that experience gives more input than literature? Dick, no, it does not. We always look to the literature to confirm the science. Absolutely. But I'm telling you, there is through much of this, and I'll hear what this week in virology has to say. We'll see what they're, maybe they're a little less than some of the other stuff i've i've been listening to or reading um but it is generally the case that science

non-clinicians i will i this whole pandemic i've seen non-clinicians uh completely freaking out about the clinical and not understanding the clinical uh so we'll see again right now you'll see people freaking out about his long covet brain shrinkage uh organ damage uh you know and these things that are just part of having severe illness you know it's a nasty illness and people heal people heal from it so let me get talk to caleb again see if i'm possible can i uh go on the no we're still quite not quite yet no chance susan says eta 20 minutes oh no no we're gonna be done by then yeah we'll be we'll fix it before tomorrow's show for sure No chance to go on the phone. Susan says ETA 20 minutes. Oh, no, no, no. We're going to be done by then.

Yeah, we'll fix it before tomorrow's show for sure. Oh, for sure. Well, let me try to take some calls and see if we can sort of find our way through this. That would be hilarious. Let's see. They can't hear you on the phones. Answer for sure. They can't hear me at all?

I mean, it's so echoey that I don't think they know what's happening on the answer for Sean. Try unmuting yourself and see, let's see what happens. And then again, the mics are in the lower left-hand corner there. Hey there. Can you hear me?

Okay. Yeah, it's weird, but you and I will get through this. What's up? My son, Sean, uh, played hockey his whole life. And to continue to play hockey, he had to get a vaccine.

So on August 25th, he got the vaccine. One shot of Pfizer. On August 29th, he went to emergency he had brown circles around his eyes a rash, vomiting and a very sore shoulder they sent him home with Advil and

on the morning of September 27th he was found dead on the floor beside his bed and they did an autopsy and it comes back cause of death unascertained so unknown unknown cause of death yes

yeah nothing he was perfectly healthy. He had no underlying conditions. Yeah. And now he's gone. And he was my life. I'm so sorry. These are rare, rare, rare, right?

These are horrible, unfortunate. And I think the powers that be would say they're still going to take these risks because the risk reward from their perspective is worth it. But the problem I have is I'm not sure you or your son understood that vaccines have bad risk. Did you? No. Yeah.

Nobody said you might die if you take this well i don't know that anybody can definitely say that yet because the the the dots have not been fully connected and and let's hope that's not the case but it certainly is uh concerning right to hear what you've been through there's a lot of reported deaths i know i know and and it it's it's it comes across my thread all the time, but I want to give science a chance to mill this through. There are people that 100% feel that this was related to that stuff. And it just really goes at the core issue of what kind of risk do young people need to take relative to getting COVID at this point. And I'm certain for you, it was not worth it. I'm certain. I'm so sorry. Thank you, Dr. Drew.

Okay. You're choking me up. It's awful. Yeah, it's nasty. I don't know. We don't know yet. But it's that kind of stuff. I was talking to the guy over on Restream who was like, stay with the science, stay with the science. Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to. But that's not the first case like that I've heard or seen. And some of them I've seen personally. And some of them I've heard, you know, again, I don't have direct clinical knowledge of. But these things keep coming around. And mostly what I've seen have not been

sudden death like that and severe illness. Mostly what I've seen was what looks like long COVID, people who can't walk and can't get short of breath and this kind of thing. And we don't know the incidence of that yet. And so what should we be telling patients? I mean, one of the most important parts about medicine is informed consent. And how do we do informed consent? We don't fully know the risk just yet. And we have forged on, as did I, and I do still do it with people over the age of 65. I recommend the vaccine most assuredly. Then I believe I can substantiate it. I do believe the risks are known there. I believe the benefits are known there. I believe the benefits are known there. It's when you get into these younger

and particularly male groups that I get concerned about it. Okay, let's bring some more people. That was a tough one to listen to. Let's see who this is. This is DBS, it says. I'm not quite sure who that is. And those of you that come up to speak, I know there's an echoey here, but we'll try to get through it. DBS, it says. I'm not quite sure who that is. And those of you that come up to speak, I know there's an echoey here, but we'll try to get through it.

DBS? Got to unmute your mic in the lower left-hand corner there. There you are. Can you hear me now? I do hear you. It's a little rough because I already have echo, and then I have some ambient noise there that makes it tough. What's going on? Yeah, I just had a quick question about COVID vaccine.

I just wanted to see if there's any long-lasting COVID basically. I still have, I got COVID originally like when it first came out and I still have issues with smell and taste. I don't know if you heard anything about that. Yeah. So the smell and taste issue is thought to be due to the microvascular injury to the tiny arteries in the cerebrovasculature. And there are people that believe they can bring it back through a sort of, I talked

to him once, it uses sense to try to bring it back, much like you would sort of retrain your brain. I had nasty long COVID and I started working on languages that helped clear some of the fog for me. So something about using the brain in certain ways does seem to improve some of these injuries. Some people have it permanently. For the most part, I had ringing in my ears for two years after the Delta COVID and it just went away one day. It also went away from fluvoxamine. So I do think that fluvoxamine may have some anti-inflammatory effects through the Sigma-1 receptor system, and as such, might be beneficial for some of these injuries. But again, you got to talk to your doctor about that. It certainly helped me. I still had the ringing

in my ear for another year, two years afterwards, and then it finally just went away. This tends to be what we're seeing from long COVID is it does, is associated with end organ damage that heals. Now, if you have persistent and particularly disabling symptoms, I've been sending people over to COVID Long Haulers. You go to covidlonghaulers.com, Dr. Yeo and Dr. Patterson over there can help you out. They've got a lot of experience now with long COVID and they've been having excellent results I would recommend the same thing for people with vaccine related long COVID as well they've been using a lot of different techniques

they have we should get them back on the show Susan if you're listening because we haven't heard their update on what they think the biology of this is back when I last talked to them they thought it was the persistence of the spike protein in non-classical monocytes in the cerebral spinal fluid or circulating in the brain that were not going through their normal life cycle of apoptosis somehow because of that persistent spike protein. And as such, they were doing some destruction there from an inflammatory standpoint. So there is that.

All right, let me keep going here as best I can. I've got a lot of questions. destruction there in flat from an inflammatory standpoint. So there is that. Uh, all right, let me keep going here as best I can. I'm got a lot of questions. Uh, Michelle, I'll bring Michelle up here and apologize. I'm good.

I apologize. So all the weird, uh, audio stuff we're having, are you still working on it, Caleb? I'm kind of sort of waiting for Susan. She has to press physical buttons that I can't reach remotely. We can take another little technical break after this call,

and I can run over there. You want to do that? I mean, we already tried all the steps. I. You want to do that? Yeah. I mean, we, we already tried all the steps. I think it's Susan has to get there, look at the board and remember which button that she pressed a couple of days ago. There,

there was some button. I've heard a rumor of some button that she pressed. I'm going with it. It was that button. So I told you there was something. Okay. So Michelle, what's going on?

It's okay. I will ask my question and then mute and wait for the answer. I just wonder what would have happened if we had said, look, terrible flu season, protect your elderly, protect the vulnerable. Because people have faith in the flu shot. And so now going into another flu season, how do we avoid that? How do we avoid, didn't quite catch that. How do we avoid the fear of a, of a vaccine for the flu to do what it needed to do relative to COVID? I'm not sure I get the association there.

I mean, the flu vaccine is still the same old flu vaccine it's been. I'm going to take it. I'm going to keep giving it to my patients. Are you seeing some belief that somehow? Yeah. Oh, well, that's. It's sad. It's sad.

I just wish we would have handled the whole thing differently because I just think people weren't well protected. Well, not only that we're well protected, the big mistake was not being forthcoming about what they were doing, what they believed they were doing, and sort of hiding their motivation and shifting gears without sort of explaining why they were going from no mask to yes mask. And then when they would go in a particular direction, it was done with such fierceness and really sort of aggression. It felt weird. And they sort of lost the faith of the people they were serving. And of course, because it's clinical and because it's science, there are going to be changes in opinion. There are going to be changes of approach. And it should have been just here's what we're thinking now. Here's the best we can do.

Yes, it should have public discourse about what the pros and the cons were. And then literally say, but we've made this decision. It's our opinion that this is the best way to proceed and to do so. You are amazing, And I certainly. I think I froze out, Michelle. Thank you. Thanks, Michelle. And everybody get your flu shot. Get your flu shot. There's nothing about COVID that should prevent you from getting your flu shot. And for all you people that said, I never get the flu shot. I never get sick. There's such a thing as luck and you've been very lucky. And I had H1N1 and it sucked. It was actually a little worse than COVID in some respects. I was so toxic and so sick from that, it was ridiculous. That was a terrible flu.

And so influenza of various types can be horrible. Don't overlook that fact. Now, what should we have done with COVID? I don't feel that I'm in a position to answer that question yet. We got to get all the data in. We're still in the middle of who we should vaccinate, what risks we should take. Our treatments are available. Back to Paxlovid, I mean, we know what we're doing over the age of 65. Paxlovid is a risk-reward, definitely comes down in the favor of using. What do you do with a 30-year-old? I mean, 30-year-olds want Paxlovid because they don't want to feel miserable. And so I'm getting lots of demands for Paxlovid in people well under the age of 65. I always tell them the same thing. And again, I may not be able to tell them this with AB 2098. What i tell them is you know

i've prescribed a lot of paxlovid and a lot of these people not a lot many have had rebound i've certainly seen rebound commonly it's not unusual to see a rebound and i've seen people get re-infected within two or three months which is not the normal experience of omicron. Omicron, in my experience, has usually caused really good, persistent immune potential for like six months or so. So there's something going on there. Let me, for a second here, turn over to the restream again,

see what you guys are talking about. Get ketamine. I don't know what you're talking about there. Get your flu shot. Good. Are flu shots different? Yes, they're very different. They're very different. Get your shingles vaccine. Get your pneumonia vaccine. You have to get both Pneumovax and Prevnar and then Pneumovax again if you're over the age of 60. These are illnesses you should be getting your HPV vaccine. It protects you against cancer of the cervix, the penis, the head and neck, the anus.

You shouldn't be getting cancers from HPV, but you will if you don't take the vaccines. You shouldn't be getting pneumonia if you're over 60. We can protect you against pneumococcal pneumonia. You shouldn't be getting pneumococcal pneumonia, which was one of the more common lobar pneumonias before we had the vaccine. This is not any kind of indictment

of vaccine therapies. Okay. Are you serious? You are about the only one giving Paxlovid now. No, Mackie, Paxlovid is, I've seen it all over the place. In fact, somebody gave it to my daughter.

It's being given out everywhere. And now I'm an evil shill according to the war against you if i believe fauci actually i don't know what you're talking about uh but again i am trying not to get caught up in all the hysteria on either side i'm trying to continue to navigate through as the science comes in. In the meantime, I see clinically what I see and can share that experience. And it may not actually bear out in the science. We don't know.

We'll have to see yet. Okay, so let's get more calls up here and see what you guys are interested in talking. This is Yolanda. I'll get Yolanda a chance to come up here. AIDS comes from vaccines. Sorry, that is not true. Yolanda, chance to come up here. AIDS comes from vaccines. Sorry, that is not true. Yolanda, you have to unmute your mic.

What's the vaccine that leave a bunch of little holes? Oh, that was the polio vaccine, or the, yeah, or the smallpox vaccine, I'm sorry. Yolanda, your mic is still muted. You have to unmute the microphone in the lower right-hand corner. Okay, well, that doesn't seem to be happening there. So we're going to put you back in the audience

and we will take Tristan. Tristan, what's happening there? Tristan oh hello hey there so my name is Tristan I am a 38 year old man living with sickle cell and I just have a question

I took both the vaccines and I'm actually about to get my booster and i'm just curious um is this the proper thing to do because i actually lost my dad to covid he had a delta here in november and you, he just wrecked him. Completely healthy, you know, before that. Yeah.

And everything. And it's just like, you know. Whatever, everything just got better. All you do is walk in here, it all stopped. Literally just this second.

What? Whatever he did, he corrected it. Susan just walked in the room and the echo went away. Do you hear me clearly, Tristan? Yeah, I can hear you. Oh, good. It's all back to normal.

It did get better. Thank God. How weird. So how old are you? So I'm 39. Okay. And like I said, you know, I'm very leery about not getting the vaccine or the booster because, you know, what just happened to my dad

and us you know having the same dna and all that stuff and you know just not wanting to well not it's really the sickle cell you have sickle trade or you have sickle disease no i have sickle cell disease type ss yeah so i mean this you're a different situation, right? I mean, it is, I mean, COVID could trigger a sickle cell episode for you, right? It could really be, and by the way, I bet it would. Have you had COVID yet? No, thank God. Yeah, and you did well with the vaccines? Yeah.

Yeah, you're exactly, you're almost 40 years old. You're exactly who the vaccine is. Excellent. Worth the risk reward. There it is. Okay? That's my opinion. I don't know you, and I shouldn't be giving you medical advice,

and that's not my intention. But I'm just saying, you know, you're somebody with chronic severe illness associated with vascular pathology and occlusive sickle cell disease and a history of bad COVID in the family. I understand you're worried that he genetically might set you up for that. I'm not so worried about that so much that you are 40 and you have chronic illness and you've done well with the previous vaccines. That seems sensible to take

the vaccine in that case. So Susan, welcome back. So it was literally, literally, Caleb, all she had to do was walk in the room. I saw her passing by she didn't even press what what happened didn't even press anything i know i know if she's talking we can't hear her

that child okay except for that what did cava do kayla do to correct this thing yes caleb what did you actually correct this what was the problem we lost caleb though he can't talk to us anymore whatever he did made it so he can't talk to us i'm not it's not 100 certain susan is we can't hear her but i'm fixing it no it was well before we got on the air. There we go. She can talk. We were scrambling around trying to figure it out. So we lost Caleb, but I'm going to go to the, yeah. So what I pushed was the mix minus, USB mix minus for your TCA thing. I know. That's what I told him.

I told him that. It's still the same way. I don't think I changed it though. I think it was like before. Hi, Reg. I know you're excited to see me I haven't seen you in a couple days But anyways

I'm I don't know why we can't hear Caleb Yeah it's weird Sorry Caleb Nothing about the return man But you know what You're doing a great job

You barreled through And the questions were really good And it sounded great And it's good on the live stream So like if you're listening on The Twitter spaces And it gets echoey Just go over to the live stream And watch it and then ask the questions.

Well, no, no, no. All that echo, all that stuff is gone. Yeah, but we can't hear Kate. You know what we can do? Take some calls. Come on up to this podium, Caleb. You're a host. So you can come up and talk to us from Twitter spaces.

How about that? Your mic is muted. No, he's trying every switch and knob. He fixed it. It's fixed. He did. He did not it's fixed he did he did it's fixed but i'm sorry i was late i was um helping my daughter and um she got a new pair of skates and normally we wouldn't we were we were fine and we thought we'd be fine and we certainly i certainly learned a lot about your system there so let's bring erin on up and my heart goes out

to that man you know it's not he's not the only story we've heard like that right we've heard a number of these stories and it's always in young males often athletic males and i mean pauline was like is he crying yes and i say yeah this is this is deep stuff like and because he wanted to play hockey yeah all right how old was he i missed that part uh i didn't hear it. I didn't want to get too deep into it with him because he was obviously upset. Aaron, you got to unmute your microphone lower left-hand corner there and we'll take your question. Yeah, this is controversial. It's hard. It's hard to figure this all out. That's why I would urge anybody not to run to one side

of the boat or the other. Let's just kind of navigate all through this together. Like the last caller, Tristan, I'd vaccinate. Aaron, what's up? Hi, Dr. Drew. I had a question about oxygen therapy. My wife has been on oxygen since last October. She had COVID and had really bad pneumonia. And COVID and had really bad pneumonia. And Uh-oh. I think that's his phone. All the time anymore.

Say it again. If she's exerting it. Did she have pulmonary emboli? No. They only said that she had pneumonia. So it was COVID with pneumonia. she was in the hospital for 10 days okay yeah and she ended up on oxygen how old is she she was in the hospital for she's 49 does she have any other medical problems

none and your question is she's okay off oxygen now uses it intermittently has she seen the doctor regularly um here and there but they don't really like they haven't said anything about the oxygen like they just keep telling her to keep using it but she doesn't want to be on it for the rest of her life and i guess our question is like how long can you use it and not end up being dependent on it? It doesn't really cause dependency. If you are taking high flow oxygen, that can actually injure your lungs.

But you're just talking about oxygen supplementation. And really what she should be getting into is something called pulmonary rehab, where they give her exercises and ways to rehab her lungs to rebuild the reserve so she can get off all of this. I would need to know a little bit more about the exact nature of the injury, like how much of the

lung, how much parenchymal injury, why she's hypoxic still. That's kind of odd to have that in a 49-year-old. But the main thing I would focus on is getting them to refer, first of all, explain what the plan is, explain it to you of all explain what the plan is explain it to you and explain what the injury was and then how about a little pulmonary pulmonary rehab that rehab that seems like perfectly sensible to me uh okay i'm gonna try to get all your guys you guys have a lot of a lot of you have questions here uh this is uh noa and. Oh, you're vaccine injured. Okay, let's get to it. What's going on?

NOJ85? It's still muted. Hello. Hi, what's going on there? Hey, my name is John. I'm from Glasgow, Scotland scotland i've just dived into your space it's nice to speak to yourself you as well uh um i took my Pfizer booster in November 2020. I have 2021, sorry.

I have had nine months of absolute hell. What are your symptoms? And did they start immediately after the booster? After I had my booster, I couldn't put two and two together. So I didn't realize straight away. It took me about two months to realize it was the vaccine booster that had done this. What was the symptom? What did it do? So after I had my booster, three days later, I went and played mini golf with my partner.

And what happened was my heart rate. Now, I wear a Samsung watch, and the Samsung watch was saying my heart rate. I was sprinting. It said I was running. I was doing. It was 170. And I'm playing mini golf. Mini golf.

So this is part of the pot syndrome which is well known to be part of this whole thing okay and then what happened after that um i then was sick every day every day i was waking up i would vomit i was um i was retching i couldn't keep any food down um at one point I stood up and my heart um it felt like the way I describe it is do you know the movie Indiana Jones yeah yeah um where it reaches into the heart and someone grabs it it felt like someone had grabbed my heart and twisted it three times now my understanding is that that was early signs of myocarditis um what happened after that um i continued to lose weight i lost 13 kilograms in the weight in the space of about four weeks four or five weeks um i i mean if i was to i couldn't even put my symptoms in a tweet.

So let's not get too deep into it and just say you had this vaccine reaction, POTS syndrome very common, fluctuating heart rate, maybe myocarditis with it. Again, known to happen. This is known to happen. Now, people that are concerned about telling these stories will say, well, you get better eventually, which is true. You do get better eventually, but I've had a lot of people who've had really long-term disability from this, and that is a risk. How are you doing now?

I'm doing not so bad. I think everybody, I can see a lot of faces in here. A lot of people in here know my story, they also know my friend who's also from Glasgow Scotland, his name is Alex Mitchell he lost his leg to AstraZeneca and it was proven

how am I doing now? I'm doing a bit better, I'm £18,000 out of pocket I've had no help from the NHS, and that's our national health service here yeah i get i've been gaslighted by doctors i've every test they do everything says it's fine it's fine to give you an example dr drew i went into the doctors after losing i was in hospital i got blue lighted to hospital because I was severely ill

I then said to them, I can't eat, my heart rate's sore I feel like I'm dying they then turned round to me and they said I said I've lost 13 kilograms in weight in the space of 14, in the space of 4 weeks

now that, I have never lost that I used to go to the gym i was a boxer they then turned around to me and they says what's your age they used my bmi against me they turned around and they said your bmi still says that you're overweight and then they said and then they said i had um i then had to go and seek medical help. I had to go and get my mental health checked out. I then went to a psychiatrist because I didn't know what was going on. It wasn't until I went to a private cardiologist in Glasgow.

He then took me from a standing position, from a sitting position to a standing position. And then he went like, have you heard of a condition called POTS? Yeah. I was like, I haven't heard this. Then what happened after that was I went home. My friend sent me the Dr. Malone and Joe Rogan podcast,

where Dr. Malone tells him when he got injured from the vaccine, he then developed POTS. After that, it all fell into place. Well, I get it. Listen, this is no fun. Vaccine injuries happen. The constant question, though, is when you're giving vaccines to billions of people, you're going to hear stories like this. You do anything with billions of people and you're going to hear some adverse events.

The problem is the data still seems somewhat obscure. And I'm sorry you've had this. I know it's no fun. Again, I've got friends that have had it. I've got patients that have had it. It's no fun. And yours actually has been milder than some, believe it or not. I know it's been very unpleasant, but it can get nasty.

Susan, we met somebody over the weekend, had this. Remember? Remember we were sitting and talking? Yeah, you met somebody over the weekend, had this. Remember? Remember we were sitting? Yeah, you got his number. I'd like to. Yeah. I mean, now we have people calling in. Yeah.

The same situation. It's just astounding. And it happens. The question is, at what risk and at what benefit? And because it's all being so obfuscated, it's hard to tell. It's hard to tell. But, you know, we're able to talk about it right now. You and I?

For 15 minutes. Yeah, because people are afraid. Well, AB 2098 will prevent that. Yeah, it's not going to last long. So I want to hear these stories before they shut us down. Yeah, literally John's story will be misinformation. We're the French underground again. It's going to be.

Oh, my God. So what Susan's talking about is back in the sort of darker hours of the COVID pandemic, like the summer of pushing out information that was you know to the to the to the uh you know to the resistance uh and it wasn't really we weren't saying anything extraordinary infidels we weren't and we weren't saying you know this isn't a real thing you shouldn't be scared we're saying calm down here's what we know john campbell was a good source of stuff for you guys as well at the time but he was from europe so i didn't get censored from right by us so here we are we're still trying to make sense of things isn't there a way i mean obviously we're not we're gonna have to you were gonna maybe

run for governor but isn't there a way the people can not allow him to sign that i mean like start petitions yes start sending him i don't know what's going to take take i i don't trust him at all i mean i'm not apolitical i know nothing about this stuff but is there a way that we can like start fighting it on a national scale and they don't care about national it's only california citizens yeah so and do you think this state look what this state has done to itself you think people here are enlightened enough to take that on? If we broadcast from New York, will you get in trouble?

No. Oh, that's, yes, because my license is in California. So if you change your license to New York? Then I'd be fine. So that's maybe what I'll do. Get rid of your license. Then it doesn't make sense for me talking about these things. You've been licensed

for a long time 40 years and happy birthday thank you you're almost 65 i'm almost 65 what are you talking about isn't that when you're supposed to retire uh how dare you no uh in the olden days uh yes wow you see how this goes for me i know um. No, but I'm just saying, why don't we voice our opinions on a grand scale and try to fight it? Those of you who live in California that could get Governor Newsom's- Write letters. Write letters, call his office, please help us. We want to know the facts. The physicians are freaking out, but as usual, physicians don't advocate for themselves.

Physicians are too busy saving lives. Correct. They aren't attorneys or accountants. Trust me. Okay. So I'm getting tired. Sorry. I need a Susan strikes back there. You listen, I'm it's happening all over the world. And the fact that people are allowed to say it out loud on our show makes me happy. I knew this would happen one day. So, Gracie D., I know that you've had a horrible loss, but so what is the incidence? What is the, yes, it does happen, but what's the incidence?

What's the number? And that's the problem. We don't know the number yet. Well, in the lockdowns. I'm watching you on, I am reading your comments on Rumble. One death is too many what happened to that like we don't we don't hear that anymore because that was always crazy and so it's going to be it's going to take a while to shake this all out i'm again i i think

when this is done i'm going to guess when this is all done that we will be still doing everything aggressively over the age of 65 and definitely over the age of 75 and we will there will be the end of mandates under that because mandating doesn't make any sense just doesn't make sense and i hope you get the sense from the conversation we've had today that it's this is a clinical navigation that each patient and physician unit should be making together to decide whether or not to vaccinate a given individual. Just like that, you know, kid that called, the 39-year-old that called in a minute ago with SS sickle cell disease, different situation than your 22-year-old cousin.

It's a very different thing. So I was looking at the travel requirements, like when you go to Europe and stuff, and I went to the CDC and they and they were they said you know people who should have the booster or shouldn't and they recommended it a lot more to people with with compromised immunity of course of course because that's who which doesn't make sense because like that guy we talked to on the beach he had all these problems and then he got the booster and it just it just wiped him out it caused compromised immunity yeah i understand but people with compromised media are at higher risk.

And he saw that too. And I was like, but see, I guess it's case by case. It's case by case. That's exactly right. And so that's why I've been so against the idea of mandates. Not only did it create an out group, and in fact, that's exactly what happened. If you look back at the headlines and the rhetoric back in those days, this was the pandemic of the unvaccinated.

The unvaccinated were the source of this pandemic. They shouldn't be allowed to get health care. They shouldn't be allowed in restaurants. And you took populations that had been poorly served by the medical community, like the African-American community, and you ostracized them. You specifically created a discriminatory policy based on the relationship of my profession with that group over time that has not been great, and they had every reason to be concerned about it.

And now, look, there's more information coming out. Maybe there was a little more to this story. It's clear that the public health authorities were not allowing any dissenting conversation. So here we are. Take another question. Okay. Now that the sound's working again.

Except we don't have Caleb. Poor Caleb. Okay. The ghost is messing with Caleb now. Hold on here. Let me give Yolanda another chance. Yolanda, we'll give you another chance. Come on up here. We tried you before. Let's see if we can get you up here. Get that mic unmuted.

I think we're going to go through the same experience here, my dear. Unmute. I'm going to turn it around a little more quicker this time. More quickly, rather. Let's get Debra. Debra, go ahead there.

You have a question? There you are. Hello, Dr. Drew. Debra. Yes. Thank you for taking me. I just want to first, before I get to my question, thank you so much. You helped my husband and I stay sane for the last two years.

Oh, good. No, really, I'm serious. I've wanted to reach out to you for a long time to thank you. My husband's 62 and I'm 59 and a half. He has diabetes and I have asthma and I had a heart attack in 2019. So, you know, listening to you really helped us and get rid of the panic porn and all of that. So I want to thank you. You really was a big part of that.

My husband gets triggered by everybody, especially Fauci. And he triggers me. And so during this, you kept us sane and you had the you had the common sense you were rational and you helped us be that way so thank you so much well it's it's your it's a it's a great privilege that was our intent that was our intent was just to kind of you know I guess I said during a lot of it I was like I was confused because the extreme nature of it I'm beginning to understand sort of what they were up to now. But there you go. Everything that you said that you got slammed for on Twitter and on the news, everything you said

was true. Everything. And we're seeing it now. We're seeing all of it now. Well, a lot of what I was concerned about, like the lockdowns, the school closures, I knew nobody was doing a risk-reward analysis. And what I was saying was that this has never been thought of before, let alone tried, and that we were doing something extraordinary and weird. And now we kind of know what led to all that nastiness. Now, my mistake was comparing it to influenza. That was a mistake. And sort of trying my hubris to try to get everybody to calm down, I went a little over my skis in terms of making those comparisons. That's exactly right.

And my husband and I talk about that all the time. You said that to stop the panic. That's why I was doing it. Why else would I have done it? I mean, think about it. What was I doing? What motivated me to try to get on there and say things like that other than calm down? Because I could see this freight train headed our way being caused by the press. I knew it would have horrible consequences. How could panic make things better? What if Churchill during the Blitzkrieg had panicked everybody? Would that have made them better? Panic only makes things worse. It did nothing. But it turns out that they were using fear as a policy. I didn't know that. They were

using fear to sort of accommodate or to act to operationalize lockdown. They got the lockdown idea from the Chinese Communist Party. The idea was get to the vaccine at any cost and then vaccine overall. Vaccine's it. That's the answer to everything. And no dissent, no discussion on any of these things. And that's the world we're living in now. That's the world we're living in. Right. No, it angered my husband when you were censored constantly and Alex was censored.

And it's a horrible thing to get people not to be able to have opinions and say what they want to say. And to that point, I'm sympathetic to what people are trying to do. I understand they don't want, they don't want to, I, you know, I am, I am, let me be really clear here. I am, um, tired of both ends of the political spectrum. I'm tired of the paranoia on one side. I'm tired of the, the judgment and cancellation on the other. I think

we got to find that middle zone and navigate because anything that fuels either side to me is a bad idea. And so to the extent that misinformation fuels paranoia, I don't like that. I don't like that at all. I'm not saying that people... Go ahead. I'm sorry. My husband and I listened to you every day during the pandemic. And for months, I had no idea what you were, a Democrat or Republican. And I know you thought of yourself now as an independent, but I had no idea because you never had that political tone. You were just trying to help us. And it really makes me mad when people, you know, said you were a Trump supporter.

Well, think about that. Think about that. How, if you, if you bring up, this is the real, one of the really weird things, I think it comes out now more, you can see it more realistically, which is if you want to talk about anything related to the vaccine, any hesitancy or any concerns about the vaccine, you're a Trump supporter, uh, and remind you, and the reason you can see that is crazy now, people are remembering, oh, that's right, Trump created this vaccine. It was Operation Warp Speed. It's his vaccine.

And now that there are starting to be rumblings of problems with the vaccine, now they're going to push it back on him and anybody that, I don't know who, this whole business of if you're this, you're a Trump supporter, if you're that, you're a, so I don't know what the hell's going on here. It's some of the craziest thing I've ever seen. I agree. And I just, I do have a really important question I have to ask you.

Go ahead. So I told you I have asthma and I told you that I had a heart attack and everything's under control. My husband has diabetes, which he's, you know, it goes up and down as far as being controlled, but he's trying. So I've had two vaccines. So has my husband. We both had the boosters. My husband is like, I'm not getting another booster. And I wanted to ask you, what do you think?

I'm 59 and a half. He's 62. Do you think we should get that new booster that's out kind of like a flu shot? Do you think I should get it? So did he have any reaction? I'm more concerned about your husband than you, okay? He is the one with more risk, both in terms of how diabetes affects the vascular system and the immunological system. And his age is higher than yours, and he's in that zone where the benefits are substantial.

Correct. Have either of you had any COVID or Omicron? He, we, at the time, the last couple of years, I work now and have not been sick since I've worked. But before that, we were not working. So when he got sick, we just stayed at home and we did not get tested. My daughter had the same exact thing my husband had. She got tested and she did test positive from COVID. So we do think my husband had it.

When was that? January of this past year. So that's a really interesting question. Okay, here's what I think I would do with him. It's even harder to talk about you because you're right on the cusp here. What I would do with him is I would generally be expecting that he will need a booster. But why don't we get, because he has that probable immunity coming forward from January, that hybrid immunity of both Omicron and the previous vaccine, let's see how this vaccine goes.

And let's get some experience with it. And if it's looking good and safe and people seem to be doing well with it, he should get it. He should get it. If I were his doctor, that's what I would do for you. Uh, are you on inhaled steroids or anything? Yes, I am. Yeah. It's a tougher call. I mean, have you had any vaccines or, or the illness? I had the vaccines. I do not know if I had the illness. The weird thing is around the same time, I had like a cough. Not a cough. I had like a weird thing in my throat where I was losing my voice. And Gary goes, you know what?

Dr. Drew has about the same thing you do. I don't think that's over. You're fine. That's right. That's right. Yeah. So I had the exact same thing you had. So maybe that was COVID.

That probably was. And you've had double vax and booster yourself? Yes. Yes. In October, we got the booster. Yeah. So in all probability, you should do it too. It's not as, you know, again, if I were treating you two as a patient, I would go to your husband

and say, you're going to look forward to it. For you, it's like, we're probably going to do it. That kind of thing. Okay? Yeah. I'm leaning more to doing it. My husband was like really against it, but I think I'm going're probably going to do it. That kind of thing. I'm leaning more to doing it. My husband was really against it, but I think I'm going to tell him to do it.

Time is on your side. That's the important thing. Time is on your side right now. Let's see how it goes. Let's see how it goes. You'll probably get COVID anyways. I got it six months later. It's possible, but I think they're heading towards vaccine. Thank you, Debbie. Deborah? Dr. Drew? Thank you again. Thank you you and your wife I think you guys are awesome thank you very much for

keeping most of America sane I really appreciate you you made our day my dear adorable I love you thank you you made our day all right keep fighting the good fight I think we can stop on that. I can't imagine. We've done a day of... So who is going to keep track of how this new vaccine works out? Is there like a place that's going to say, oh, yeah, we have less? Well, VAERS. We have less? You see, we read, there's lots of literature that comes out, and we all get a...

There was somebody busting my chops about staying with the science. Look, we get clinical experience with these things. I see lots of it i'll see lots of people getting vaccinated i'll see lots of people not getting vaccinated we'll kind of see how this goes so like do you think they'll reformulate it so people don't get pots they don't know how to they don't know no they can't do that we don't know what's causing it it's presumably just the spike protein you can't get rid of the spike protein that's the that's the whole that's how it works it works through you through exposing the immune system to the spike okay and You can't get rid of the spike protein. That's the whole, that's how it works. It works through exposing the immune system to the spike protein.

Okay, and so we're not anti-vax or pro-vax. I am pro-good medicine. If it's good for you, yeah. I am pro-good medicine. If it's going to outweigh the, but how do people know they're not going to have a response to it? Like you don't want the boys to get it because they had a bad response. Oh, no. Douglas, no. Douglas, no. You don't want it. Me, it because they they had a bad response oh no i don't know douglas no you don't want it me like drew is not anti-vax i just i had i'm i'm really

sick from he's not pro-vax because he doesn't want to get it yeah no i'd like to take the vaccine actually i would actually really really like to i just i'm afraid to i'm fearful too so but if i'm forced to like i was in the first place and i got sick from it all right we're gonna figure this out yeah we'll see um if you go to the skank fest then you're gonna definitely get good well good so I'll get cold no but then you have to do two Dr. Paul Alexander in here tomorrow uh Dr. Paul E. Alexander with Dr. Kelly Victory and uh as you know these are lively and popular and uh these are very fun conversations for me I've learned a lot uh I don't as I keep saying, this isn't necessarily something I agree with everything. Kelly and I disagree on a lot of

things. And these guests sometimes I disagree with, but they have had these extraordinary experiences in the eye of the hurricane. And as such, it helps me understand more about what we all experienced during this thing. And it was confusing. It's less confusing as the information is coming in. We have a lot of viewers right now, and I want to thank each and one of you. Thank you for that. Doing very well.

And we appreciate you calling in and giving us really good questions without us having to screen the calls. And then once again, my heart goes out to your first caller. Yeah, and we've had those calls before on this show, right we have and it's just it's heartbreaking so we all have to think about it and pray for him and know that he he's here messing with your sound and those of you that are on the rumble rants are uh want to see dr alexander tear me apart tomorrow i'm not sure that will happen we'll see i i again i want to we want to get all. Alexander tear me apart tomorrow. I'm not sure that will happen. We'll see.

Again, we want to get all different kinds of ideas in here. And let me look over on the screen. And thanks to Jahan. Jahan. Who called it from Scotland. We all were following very closely to try to figure out what he was saying. But I got every bit of it. I love that accent. So here we go.

I'm just watching some of your notes. And who is Dr. Alexander? You'll find out tomorrow when you tune in. Let's leave it at that. We'll be here at 3 o'clock Pacific time with Dr. Kelly Victory, as we always are, and Dr. Paul Alexander, which was her recommendation. And so we'll see how this goes. We'll see you there.

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