Ask Dr. Drew - One Nation Under Glyphosate: MAHA Furious As RFK Tells “The Truth” About Toxic Glyphosate Being Critical To US Food Supply – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 596

Episode Date: March 9, 2026

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Ramia Delicate comes back to spend some time with me. I have been, well, Michael Malice is here in the studio with me, and he's going to have to explain to here. Cut to Michael real quick. And he's going to have to explain to me what kind of pill I've taken that has exposed me to so much about human trafficking. Epstein pill, I think is what we'll call it. And Rami is an expert in this area.

He's been fighting this for quite some time. He's going to talk about it. Then we're going to get Dr. Cina McCullough in here, nutrition scientist, amongst other things. Well, we're talking about her podcast, Beyond Label's podcast, reversing autoimmune disease with nutrition and then Zen Honeycutt, the founder of executive director, moms across America, and they're concerned about reversing course by the current administration as it pertains to glyphosates and other priorities for them. A lot. Stay with us. Be right back

after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this fact. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for a shit. Where the hell you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician.

I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time, educate adolescents, and to prevent, and to treat. Do you have trouble? You can't stop, and you might help stop it. I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say.

Ramay Day of the K has an extraordinary story. I'm not sure we're going to revisit all that. We've done it a couple times before here. You can follow him on X. R-E-M-I-D-L-E-L-E-K-E. I think that means king or prince. He's going to tell me. Wonder, also on X, 8th Wonder, Enter 1. You're going to tell us what that's all about. He has a book, Transformed, the Navy Seals, Unlakely Journey from the Thrones of Africa to the Streets of the Bronx, Defying All Odds. And as I said, Michael Malice is in here. I'm going to bring him in a just second. There's the book.

And also the book, 24, Camelion. I'm going to bring Rami and just he and I for a couple of minutes here. Ramie, welcome back. Thank you for joining me. Hey, Dr. Drew. Thank you for having me, brother. It's good to see you. So it's, I can't escape doing 60 seconds on your story.

Nigeria, Bronx, multiple felonies, Navy SEAL. Is that about summarize it? Intelligence officer. I want to say multiple felonies, but I would have more, more like Mr. and had a recruiter that took a huge chance on me and got my record scrubbed and got judges to expunge my record and joined the Navy and got to spend some time in special operations as a seal went to different intelligence schools so I got to dabble in best of both worlds collected intelligence and kick it down doors but yes I was born in Nigeria to uh my father chief

Ade bio Adelaike he's the chief our last name as you try you're close you're close ad de means the crowd. Right. The frame. So, yeah. And Remedy and I became acquainted

on the Fox reality series special forces. And within a few minutes, I was like, okay, that guy is the

guy I need to follow and know and understand. I don't if I told you that, but I was like, but I'm all,

all my eyes, that guy. That's where I'm focusing my attention. But since returning from all those adventures, you've been working

on human trafficking. And so one of my tell them about the film and what you're doing there. And then I'm wondering if the Epstein files triggered any interesting thoughts for you, given your expertise in this area. Yeah, so the film, the short film is the unexpected. It's on YouTube now. It breaks down an international organ traffic ring.

It's inspired by true events around an international organ traffic marine that took place in Syria and ended up on the West. So I'm not going to give away where you got to watch the film to find that out. We are now doing the feature film. We were able to pull some financing together for the feature film, which is the working title is a cholesterol, which means punish the wicked. It's an action thriller.

But again, we're expanding on that world. The events of the short film take place five years after the events of the short film. So we got a lot of good people who, especially given the Epstein, and what's been coming out and you know every time every year that we've talked about this dr drew like we've gotten closer to more and more people believing that this is actually a real thing right so often when you hear about sex trafficking what we get at prostitution but you hear about organ harvesting so many people can't believe that that's an actual thing

but with with all of the news around the epstein files and what's going on not just here in the u.s but globally more and more people are believing the reality that that organ trafficking does exist. It's a global issue. It requires a global response. It's a multi-billion dollar industry. I was actually in a meeting earlier today because I'm doing some business in Africa. I'm brokering lithium deals between lithium mines

and the US. And one of my big things is making sure that the lithium is properly sourced. No forced labor, no child laborers at all. That's a big part of what I'm doing in this deal. But in my meeting that I had with a businessman in Nigeria, he was sharing something that I had already kind of known about was how a lot of you get these Nigerians and other Africans that they try to get into Europe

and they will gravitate north and they'll get stuck in Libya. They'll get stuck in Egypt. And in order to get out, they'll have to give up a kidney, you know, that Egypt is considered the world. Wow. The world. So you're getting people and, you know, getting African migrants, getting trapped in Libya, getting trapped in Egypt, and having to give up organs. And so it's a really, really big thing. So when my business partner I was meeting earlier today brought that up, I was like, I've been saying this for the last few years. It's so cool that you're – I mean, it's not cool, but it's encouraging that you're confirming

what I've been saying and other people have been trying to say about the reality around organ trafficking. You know what? You should have shown Michael's face when Remy just said that. Yeah, Michael. He was like, oh, kind of cringe. You're Epstein-pilling or organ-pilling, Michael. But a little levity about something here that, so Susan has had this theory forever that the plane that disappeared, the MH-360 or whatever was, the Malaysian aircraft,

that that had something to do with organ trafficking. Yes. And she goes, the day she goes, well, ask Raymond, he was in that movie about the plane crash. I swear, it was a reenactment of this plane crash. Right? I told you that at the time. Is your mic plugged in? I don't know if it's a little echoy. But no, and I heard there was a connection. Yeah. It's all right. We can hear him. It's good. When they made a connection between Epstein and Malaysia, the king of Malaysia or something, and Rothschild, I went back to that MH370, you know, history that I went through. And the person who was not on a plane was a Rothschild. And I was thinking, you know, what happened to all these bodies? Like, where did they put them? Like, where does a plane land and what do they do with the people? If it wasn't incinerated, it didn't just vaporize.

I feel that they could have trafficked and and got used their organs for foreign countries. I feel like that that would be a way for them to make. make money. If there's a lot of money behind this and there was some kind of a connection between the U.S. government and Euststein, I'm telling you, Remy, I'm on to something. Any of that. Let's, let's, let's, that's, or your face just said, Oe-Ve. Whenever I hear a story like, one second, Ray, one sec, one sec, one second. Whenever I hear a story like this, I'm never like, oh, that's crazy on its face. I would ask myself, what would need to be true for that to be true? If I want to traffic a.

of organs, I wouldn't make it such a story that everyone on earth knows about it. That's the concern with that. Not that they wouldn't do it or you couldn't put it past it. You want to pick off one person at a time or it's like a homeless person, someone you don't notice, as opposed to a plane full of people which have a lot of connections. That was the face. It wasn't that I would put it past them. I would say I put it past them doing it in such an obvious manner.

Is that Remy, his assessment, his intelligence assessment good? That's essentially what I was getting at. In order to pull off an operation like that, you would have to be out of your mind, because it's too hard to clean that up and to keep it under the rug. But yeah, Michael's point is very valid. You know, the way these traffickers move and operate. They operate like tier one intelligence organizations. They're very, very smart.

So often when people think of traffickers, they think about the dumb criminal, but these people are there, especially when we're talking about the organ harvesting rings, not just the sex trafficking rings. These people are very brilliant. They're really smart. They have doctors on staff, nurses on. staff. You know, last time I was on here, I shared with you about the hospital in India that was busted because they had nurses on staff. It was taking people from low-cast systems, bringing them in and pulling their organs out.

And now that was a global news story. Even here in the States, I can't remember my shit. Yeah, which is very germane. I'm sorry, I don't interrupt you. It is now in 14 states and District Columbia made is now legalized in America. What is? A physician-assisted termination. It is in America now.

14 states. Kelsey Sharon from Canada has been on top of this. And if there's an incentive for these doctors to do awful things, we saw what happened in COVID when there's an incentive for doctors to act against the Hippocratic oath. So what you're talking about in India, Canada is what the third cause of death right now is artificially induced end of times through medical means. I know what I'm allowed to say without getting you demonetized. But it's now being swept under the rug into 14 states and counting in America. Well, it's an interesting point, which is if people, people get caught up in group think. Right.

And it's brainwashing, right? I mean, you're an intelligence officer. People get caught in their peer group. And somebody says, oh, this guy, this person's suffering. They're depressed. We got to help them terminate. And then we'll get the kidneys. We'll get the lungs.

We'll get the pancreas. All right, here we go. It's even easier. It's even easier. Someone's on their last days. Look, you don't have family. You're not the person you used to be. you have the opportunity to save several lives. Don't you want your lungs and your heart and your kidney to go help somebody in need?

All you have to do is press this button and you won't go and a sleep. But what's crazy, and I'll let Rami to ring in next on this, is there is a zone where that's good and true. And you can just quickly, easily step over into a weird zone. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's, it can be a gray area, 100%, you know, That's 100% fact. But yeah, it's a huge issue.

It's just growing. Again, these trafficking organizations are very, very well funded because the revenue that they're gaining from traffic in people's organs on the black market are extremely high. I had a meeting a couple of weeks ago with a big organization that what they do is they pull funding together from family offices in order to, they receive. the funding and then they disperse it out to, I think they had like 40,000 anti-trafficking nonprofits that they fund through the family offices. And interestingly, one of the shortfalls that was identified in this meeting is how

the majority of their funding goes to after a person has been trafficked. And that's not just organ traffic and that's sex traffic. That's forced labor. And only a small portion goes to prevention. And that's because there are not a lot of anti-trafficking nonprofits that deal with the prevention side of things that deal with, okay, what a traffic is looking for? We know that traffickers poach the most vulnerable. They go after those who are impoverished. They're not going to Beverly Hills.

They're not going to Palm Beach, Florida. They're not going to the upper side of Manhattan. They're going to very impoverished areas around. They're paying on the fact that these people are very vulnerable. That's why Africa has such a huge issue when it comes to trafficking. You told me horrible stories about people giving over their daughters or all kinds of horrible stuff. So there are terrible things going on out there. Before we wrap up, let's just get back to the Epstein file.

Did you have any insights from that? I mean, to me, the level of manipulation of human frailty and the grandiosity of the people involved and how he was able to play them all, Epstein, like a Stradivarius. you know, just, he just amazing what he was able to suck people into. And I think they believed there were, I don't think they would have believed where they ended up, you know, it's like boiling the frog. But there was the stuff you saw there that stood out for you? I mean, kind of what I touched on earlier, how brilliant Epstein was.

And I don't say that in a way to lift him up. But just how he knew how, he was like a CIA case officer, right? He knew how to bring people into the fold, get something on those people, and then use that information in order to control them. And he was a very smart guy. He had a smart network, Galane Maxwell. She's a very brilliant, well-educated woman as well who was part of his organization. I think it just further validated how that stereotypical view of traffickers are there not. They're just dumb criminals. That was completely thrown out of the window.

It was totally validated. Not idiots. They're really, really smart. And it also showed how many people were involved, you know, at high levels. Yes, that's the big one. You know, at high level. It's crazy to me. Each of these is like some sort of pill, you know, for me.

I don't know what color to call the pill anymore because I've had so many pills over the last five years. It's a reminder as well as, you know, when people get to these levels, they forget that they are touchable. Everybody is touchable. Nobody is untouchable. The truth will eventually come out. Yeah. I saw the victim of the photo Prince Andrew when he was sitting in the back of that car after he got out of the police station and that look on his face. He had that look of shock. Why? Because he never in a million years thought that he would be touched.

He never thought that he would get caught. And that's how that goes along the lines of all of the people that were involved in this. And I'm sure there are so many more people who are going to continue to get exposed. And yeah, there's some people that are going to start talking very, very soon. Well, I love that insight. So where can people find you? What's coming up next for you? Where do you want them to go?

Yeah. What book do you want them to get? What movie do you want them to see? And well, we're working on funding right now. We're able to pull together about $8 million in funding so far for our Oregon trafficking feature film, which picks up five years after the events of the short film. we have some great team of people who are coming on

Gerard Butler's production companies coming on board to produce a film, the movie behind me playing that you were referencing Susan that production companies come to sport right now we're just pulling together the funding for the film to make the movie and really... Is that called again airplane or is it

That movie was called plane? Plain. The movie was plane. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We enjoy it. So we are... And then the book, Caleb, with the book up there. We've got two books. Let's see if we can find that. Get them up there.

There they are. There is the chameleon. Right. Is that that one first? That's the other one. Transform transformed. And then camellian is the other one. All right. Well, listen, my friend. Thank you for the update. And there is, came. We are always here to... About the good work. Yeah, you need to come talk to the people we talk to any time. Just let us know. All right?

Absolutely appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. All right. You got it, my friend. See you soon. Ramey Delicate on X is R-E-M-I-A-D-E-L-E-K-E. Michael Malice. Thank you for coming all the way into the studio.

My pleasure. You wrote down some jokes. I want to give you a chance to have at me a little bit. I just wrote Navy Steel and Gillesne Maxwell. What's wrong with you? I was listening. I was enthralled. I'm sorry.

What's wrong? Well, I feel alcohol syndrome, for one. Like what? I feel alcohol syndrome. You do have fetal alcohol. So, you know, Adam Croll it today. you don't look, your ears aren't low enough. The, the, uh, it took in a second.

He actually did the diagnostics. Oh my God. Yeah, exactly. And so I want to make sure. I mean, there could be, who knows? But, uh, the interesting you would come up with that today because Adam Kroll and I were just talking. And he's, he kind of sees stuff that's coming.

And he said the big problem, one of the big problems we're going to have going forward is spectrum. spectrum. Everybody's on the spectrum of something. And that spectrum, like, I guess it was, we were watching Nancy Mace sort of eviscerate Governor Walts. Okay. Because they went from $1,000 to $300 billion spent on autism. And Adam said, not autism, autism, autism, spectrum.

So everybody has access to this money. And the reality is nothing is relevant unless it affects functioning. You can't function, relationship, work, schools, and function is impaired. it. Then, okay, then we got to take a look at this. But just spectrumy of all kinds, ADHD spectrum, depression spectrum, autism spectrum, people use these labels wildly now, including fetal alcohol syndrome. Well, the reason I said that there was a show on Fox called Red Eye, which I used to be on at 3 a.m. And did you win the Bill Schultzty days? Yeah, no, I was after. Andy Levy was the ombudsman. And halfway through the episode, he would critique everything you said. And we both had to

look at the camera. You know, so. side by side on the screen. And at one point, Andy was so exasperated with me. He goes, what is wrong with you? And I just go, I feel a lot of alcohol syndrome. And he just didn't have to go with that. And I know where I came up with it. Well, I'm sure it made sense to him. I've wondered some things, but okay. Actually, you made one of the best, we were together on Gutfeld one time. And you made one of the best, I don't want to call it a joke. It was a quip. Do you remember what I'm going to say? I don't remember. I'm sorry. Tyrus had just finished one of his little diatribes

and you went, Greg, I agree with everything that Shrek just said. And we all went, oh, oh. And Tyrus went, yes, that's funny. Well, I did that again. Some after with him. So the woman from Fannie Willis was complaining that she's facing legal issues.

She goes, why are you going after me? Why don't go after the people who wrote the N-word on my garage door? And Tyrus is like, look, even that happened to you, like someone's writing, oh, Nim can poop or nitwit or knucklehead, blah, blah, blah. You still did the things that are causing legal issues. And there's a pause that I go, wait, do you think knucklehead starts with an end?

And he goes, oh, I'm sorry, Michael. They're not standing there with their executive being, oh, the K is silent. I go, do you mean a dictionary? But it's really hard to land the jokes with him, but me and him now have a good report. Oh, I think that's where you got it. That's right. Yeah, with the Shrek comic. Because he was just like, oh, that's good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to pick his shots with him. Yeah. No, no, he's a good guy. I'm trying to set up a time. Have you done this podcast? I haven't yet. I'm sure I will.

We're trying to set a time for that. All right. So we're going to take a little break. Is there anything on your mind these days? Yes. I talked about this in Rogan. I'll talk about this every chance I get. I eat the same thing.

It's perfectly ties in which we talked about. I'm not joking. I see a smirk on your face. No, no. I remember you're talking about this. I eat the same thing every day. And one day in New York, I was low on calories. I switched from Dr. Pepper Zero,

which had been my main method of hydration to regular Dr. Pepper and my cognition changed. and then I went online to see I being crazy and Aspartame is known since the 80s to mess with your mind. So if this sounds plausible to you and you're living your life on Diet Coke or I've started with your response or something like that,

give it two days. You can switch to the regular stuff and tell me if you see a difference. How do I know if that's Dr. Pepper? It is because it's got the full calories. What do you mean? Oh, this Dr. Papp, the Starbred. But any sugary,

I think I would suggest that if you're going to unload the aspirin, afferateam containing soft drinks, you just get rid of soft drinks altogether. But my point is, this is, I'm, I hear you. It's one variable. So I narrowed it down to one variable. So I can't say it was the caffeine. I can't say it was the whatever other poisons.

Right, because you've just switched from aspartame to sugar. Right. Excellent. Have you gained any weight on that? No, no, I have my macros. I got my abs. Don't worry about it. I'm a sheathunderware.com promo code mouths for 20% of them.

What is it? What is it? Sheet underwear. My underwear model. Oh, sheath underwear. It's got two pouches, one part, for one part of your male anatomy, another part of your male anatomy. So it separates the balls and the penis?

We can't use such vulgar language, Dr. Drew. I'm a physician. I can talk about anatomy. I'm not. I feel alcohol syndrome syndrome. It's sounded by an Iraqi vet to keep your boys cozy in the heat. It would help you over there when you have the 100 degree weather. Oh, that was terrible.

I mean, it was really quite an experience. I got to tell you that. But I loved it because it was just so intense. And I love that my underwear is currently gripping my balls. Well, doesn't every good pair of sort of either tidy whitties or at least, what do they call them, boxer briefs? Yeah, but then your dick's touching your balls. Ah, okay, got it. Okay, we're going to separate those.

Got it. You can pull up the modeling photo. No, Bueno. Michael Malice.com, X Michael Malice, M-A-L-C-E, Instagram, Michael Malice. You got all of them. Yeah. Facebook Michael Malice. And the, you know what, gosh, we're going to take a little break.

But when we get back, I'm looking at the clock and we got a lot. lot of guests here to get into. Before I bring Dr. McCull in here, I want to talk a little about the white pill. Sure, please. Because I haven't really heard you talk a lot about that since that one Rogan appearance, probably four years ago or something. Sure. Where you went into it.

Sure. And this is an important piece of history that everyone's leaving out of the Ukraine story. And I personally was affected by us. Yeah. I mean so. All right. Be right back. Uncle Malice and then Dr.

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We're going to give him some. We're going to give some to Michael right now. So, Michael, let's, let's, Let's do a little, before we bring Dr. McCull in here, a quick primer on the white pill and the holodomar. And, you know. She's giving me food. Yeah. Yeah.

From farm, regenerative farming. Real fun. No, I don't like jalapeno. I'm a white boy. So are you from that region also? I was from Leviv, yeah. Yeah. I was born there.

Yeah. And when did you come here? When I was to 978. Do you speak any of those languages? Russian. Yeah. I'm so jealous. Why?

I just, anybody that has a name. native tongue. I've been working on some languages lately, and it's just, if you're not raised with it, it's hard. I also will say it's one of the best thing that were happening being trilingual by the time I was like six, because then you think cognitively instead of linguistically. So a lot of times when people argue they're using linguistic tricks you want to even pick up on because you're speaking only one language. But if you speak more than one language, you have to think in terms of concept. What is your third? It was Hebrew, and then I forgot Hebrew and I forgot got French, so it's four.

Okay, okay. So, so let's do a quick scan on the white pill and what you described there and this diabolical history that people just don't know. Well, I mean, it's the whole story of the white pill is the story of the rise and fall of the Soviet Union. And the reason I wrote it is this,

people forget, and even people our age forget, that half the world was in a state of complete tyranny for, you know, almost a century. And now it's regard as almost a punchline or a joke, or something kitchy, you know, the hammer and sickle is this kind of like hip symbol to wearing people's clothes or t-shirts. And that's something haven't been born there is just, I find absolutely, you know, conscionable. So the story of the Holodomor, you know, Curtis Yarvin has this joke about which genocidal ideology should I be worried about the one the lost

or the one that won. You have this systemic breaking of Ukraine. You know, Stalin basically declared war on this region. They were trying to appropriate all the grain possible. And you have there you have with any totalitarian regime scapegoating. So the reason you don't have food isn't Stalin and isn't America, it's the Kulaks. So at the time, the Kulaks were the wealthy and wealthy at the time was a very relative term and meant someone who got a cow. Or it could mean someone who's a big landowner or anything between. Very quickly Kulak just simply became someone who you don't like.

And you were heavily encouraged and incentivized. People appreciate this on some level. In these countries, you are rewarded for turning in your neighbor. but a lot of times people do it just because they think they're told it's the right thing to do. There was this Stasi officer who was interviewed by Australian journalist Anna Funder and he said, they just wanted someone to talk to people turning in their neighbors. Go ahead. Well, to be fair, but one of the points that we learned from COVID is that the mass formations,

totalitarianism, one of them, is bottom up. Yes. It's not the people who imagine it's top down. That's certainly they're having an effect, but it's ultimately bottom up. You're never going to have enough secret police. You always need buy-in from the population. And as from evolutionary psychology, we know human beings are status seeking creatures. So if I tell you, hey, if I turn in Susan, I'm a hero, I will trip over myself to get to that phone.

Well, this would screwing me up about COVID. People are like, oh, you know, they were turning in their neighbors for having a barbecue. Or, you know, they really were doing crazy shit in this day because we were locked down for two years. They were bragging about getting cashiers fired. Yes. Talk about privilege. Right. This person's minimum wage and you're glad that they don't have a job?

And then the same people go, I'm a good person. I would have killed Hitler. I would never have gone along with it. You'd be a prison guard. You would be a prison guard. No, no, no, no. They'd be a janitor. They wouldn't be high status enough to be a prison guard.

You said I mean? Yeah, but they still would be, on that team. On that team. Yes. And proud of it. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Just the way they were in this. But do you know what happened after World War II? I just read a book about how they denazified the Germans. You know what they did? They just stopped talking about it. Like literally, it wasn't a thing in Germany until the 60s where the kids grew up. And they looked at like, what did we just, what did you guys do in the 40s? They just ignored it.

because it was so pervasive. And the thing with these totalitarian ideologies is, people have buy-in, not because they believe of propaganda, it's because people are drawn to power. So on his way out, Hitler and the Nazis destroyed Germany. You don't have food. Everything's being bombed to destruction. Master race my ass when you can't put food in the table.

Very quickly, you realize it's nonsense, and that buy-in went away. So that's why they could kind of move on from it. Because the number of permitted ideologues. It's just what we're doing with COVID. We're just moving on. Memory-hole. Just memory-holt. My friend Tom Woods had this great book.

call diarice of a psychosis where he goes day by day and you forget how crazy. Like, why were we social distancing? Because somebody in a room went, what are we going to do? What are we going to do? This is aerosolized. Probably goes 30 feet. I can't do that. About 10 feet. They'll never buy that. Six feet. Go. Six feet. But even if that's true, why didn't they bring it back when Omicrom came? That's the point. If it's true, why don't you bring it back? That's the insanity. And by the way, for a different illness, Omicron, it's a different illness. And then vaccine made, Because of the vaccine. That's really what it was.

They went so all in on the vaccine that you had to keep going with that. And, well, maybe it'll mutate again. Maybe it'll turn into something worse. Remember? Remember all that? I can't go to, I can go to a restaurant if I was vaccinated a year ago. But I can't go for their test this week. I know.

Like, that makes no sense on its own terms. That's how you know it was a sci op. Right. Right. Okay. We have more to talk about on the white pill. You went halfway through the, we got to get at the Potemkin villages. Oh, sure.

How everybody started starving. You set it up. We'll talk about. by that in a while, but I want to bring my guest in. It is Dr. Sina McCullough. You can find her at Dr. Sina Sina-Makala.com. Also, let's see, Dr. Sina dot, uh, uh, uh, you know, tell me about this.

I can't quite get it. Uh, the book is hands off my food, how to defend your food, health, and freedom. Dr. McCullough, welcome. Oh, thank you so much for having me. So one of the things that we sort of highlighted, uh, in, sort of drifting into our show today was how, I guess it would be that the Maha faithful are a little frustrated with certain aspects of what Maha has done. I'm wondering where your concerns are. Yeah.

So my emphasis is really on the power of the people. Just like I talk about in my book, I think that people don't understand the role that we play in the food supply. and this goes back to the beginning, actually, the birth of the FDA, which was in the beginning of the 1900s. And before the FDA was actually born, our safety net was actually our relationship with our farmers and the shopkeepers. You know, you had eyes on the ground. And then what happened was we had the FDA born and food laws were passed.

And people started to feel like the government was taking care of, of the safety of the food. And media was complicit in this. It was like plastered, you know, across newspapers that the safety of the food supply is guaranteed. So we were kind of lulled into this false sense of security that the government had this safety net with like no holes in it, because that's how it was presented to us. And the problem is we didn't really understand our role in that system. So yes, the government, is supposed to be part of the solution. But our national food laws are actually based on three pillars.

And these are pillars that were actually created at the birth of the FDA. And they are still our pillars today. The first one is that the manufacturer is actually responsible for proving the safety of their product. So I know a lot of us don't like that. And we don't trust the manufacturers. But that's actually one of the founding principles of, are national food laws. The second is that the labels have to be transparent. And I think we can all agree that the FDA does a really bad job of that, not providing transparency. And the third pillar

is that the consumer is actually supposed to be the final judge. So when the FDA was created, one of its biggest roles was to help create this marketplace where the mom, the consumer, could actually be the final judge of what's going to end up on the grocery store shelves. And that's done through our purchasing powers. So I think in large part, we've forgotten our power. And it's so tremendous. We have examples from all aspects of their food supply where consumers have spoken up. And companies have changed formulations of products.

I mean, even Anheuser-Busch got a pharma crop, a rice pharma crop, to be planted away from commercial fields of rice. And that was over in Missouri. And that's because their consumers spoke up and said, we don't want farmer crops next to the rice crops that you're going to be using to put rice into our beer. So we have a tremendous amount of power. And I think that, number one, we need to raise awareness so that people understand what's

happening to our food, the toxicity in the food. Kennedy's done a fantastic job. of raising that level of awareness. I mean, we've got 20-year-olds now that are actually looking at the back of their soda cans for the first time. So in my opinion, Kennedy has done his job. Michael, just maybe I'll let him ask

your Aspartame question. Sure, I want to ask you, doctor. I just realized, and you're going to laugh at me because people in this space, this is kind of old news. Can you speak a bit? I was just shocked to what extent, you always knew diet, soda's poison, but to what extent aspartame has consequences on an immediate basis as opposed to some kind of long-term situation.

And again, to point out, Dr. McCullough has a neurobiological background, so it's a perfect person that asks this. Yes. Well, so aspartame is actually, was designated as carcinogenic, like possibly carcinogenic. It is an artificial chemical sweetener. It's used, like, in a lot of products since the 1980s, anything from ice cream. to gum, to drinks, to breakfast cereals. And it was shown to be, you know, carcinogenic. And it has a lot of issues with mental health itself.

It's not something that any of us should be, I don't think. It's something that any of us should actually be consuming. And in the book, I actually break down the history of aspartame. and basically why I don't think especially children should not be consuming it we should be going toward natural sweeteners which in that regard I'm aligned with Maha and this whole food movement

everything should be going towards natural natural sweeteners definitely not any of these synthetic sweeteners anything that's made in a laboratory the body actually is not evolved yet to basically be able to respond well to any of these kind of synthetic substances. And that's actually a lot of where the farm bill goes. If you're trying to tie that into this, part of the farm bill goes toward creating

these really cheap synthetic byproducts that are added to our processed foods. Let's get impossible meats going. Let's get rid of animal products and do an impossible burger. Exactly. When they first came up with that, I'm like, oh, it's impossible that this isn't dangerous. That's what's impossible.

It's so true. And, you know, when we reverse chronic and autoimmune diseases, you know, that's now one of my specialties. That's what prompted me to write this book is that I almost died from an autoimmune disease, even though I'm supposed to be an expert in food, right? I have the highest degree you could get in food, but the food supply was killing me, and I couldn't figure it out for the longest time. And so I learned how to reverse chronic disease.

and autoimmune diseases, and I'll tell you, one of the fastest ways to reverse it is to get people on a whole food, organic-based diet. You know, we have to get these man-made chemicals out. But there's actually an interesting political statement you just made embedded in what you were saying in terms of the power that the people have. And Michael, I have not, I've only heard one political leader of one country talk about the sovereignty of the people. And that's what you're alluding to, right? You're saying that people have power. They're sovereign over this system. Sovereignty.

We've lost track of that. We're not sovereign over our tracks dollars. We're not sovereign over our mill. We have no, we're like, we're incidental to the functioning of our government. You know what was? Marine Le Pen in France. Oh, wow. And you know, they made it illegal for her to run.

Correct. But she's going to end up as prime minister. Anyway, she can't be president. Can I ask the doctor another question? Yeah. Why is, I'm fairly well-educated. or at least I like to think I am, why is what you were saying about aspartame not common knowledge? There's so much to talk about cheese mix.

I'm going to throw out a theory because it is common knowledge. Okay. In certain spaces. It's better than saccharin. And it's better than some of the other ones. And so people just sort of go, well, it's going to be interesting in the day of GLP ones. It's better than getting diabetes from sweetened Dr. Pepper. And it's better than saccharin.

That's kind of the conversations that are out there. What do you say? Yeah, and I think there's actually a bigger issue here. And it goes back to the fact that when people walk into the grocery store, we tend to think that the food on the shelves is safe. I mean, that's what I did for most of my life. And so I think they think that somebody is looking out for that food. Somebody has determined it's safe.

And they're probably thinking it's not industry. Most people are pretty much aware that industry is really going for the bottom line. you know, so they will sacrifice safety if people don't demand it. But most people do assume that the government has looked at these chemicals for safety. And so if you see aspartame in there, if you even look at the label to read the aspartame's in there because most people don't, they are going to default most likely to the stance that somebody has looked at it and probably that is the government. And the reason, I believe that part of the reason is because way back, Like I said, the beginning of the FDA, even then that veil of unearned trust fell down over the eyes of Americans.

And we have passed down that veil from generation to generation. So we were never trained, like growing up, we were never told, you know, don't trust the food, look at these food labels, research the ingredients. It reminds you of vaccines. It's very similar to the whole vaccine story. Exactly. worried about that. And it's funny, I've had, I've had fights with people during COVID

where they're like, well, what does the FDA say about it? I go, FDA doesn't practice medicine. They have no role in the practice of medicine. None. None. They determine what companies can bring to market and what circumstance they can bring it. What we do with it as practitioners,

totally up to us. Why isn't there a simple like Maha or equivalent app where you could have a score on all your food? So right at a glance, I'll know. Oh, good idea. This seems like such a no-brain, I have a color. Here we go. Well, Kennedy is working on that, the front of package labeling that he's coming out with with the red, yellow, and green, you know, symbol, real clear symbol on the front of the package.

So he's going for that. My skill is beyond labels, right? That's what Joel Salatin and I have that podcast in the book that we take you beyond the label because, you know, I applaud what Kennedy's trying to do to make it the label more accessible, more easier to understand. but for us, we have seen so much of the corruption, the loopholes that will always be there, the backdoor deals, that's government. And so for us, if you really want to find the best... Yeah, you take control of yourself, right?

Is that what you're going to, I don't want to interrupt you there. But the back hole deals, back room deals, you know, immediately caused me to wonder, how do we get red food die back? Why is red food die back in? Why is glyphosate back in? What happened there? What's going on? Yes.

So, okay, so part of this is because the consumers aren't demanding it. So can I give you one? Let me give you an example of something that we're probably all familiar with. And this will tell you why the power is really in the people too. So if you remember recombin growth hormone, RBGH, this was the first genetically engineered hormone or drug allowed in our food supply. And if you recall, it was designed to force cows to produce more milk. So it was economic purpose.

It was not for, you know, to increase, boost the nutrient content of our milk. It's been linked with many types of cancers. Most industrial nations banned it. But the FDA said that it was good enough for Americans to drink. So how did it get approved? They had a Monsanto, of course, was the maker of RBGH at the time. The primary evidence that they used to support the safety of milk from RBGH treated cows came from two studies on rats that they themselves sponsored.

Meanwhile, the FDA scientists repeatedly warned that RBGH could endanger the public health. The government accountability office itself advised against approving it. And then when the cows got sick from the drug and they required more antibiotics to treat the sickness, the amount of antibiotic residue in the milk increased to a level beyond what the FDA would allow. So the FDA, instead of going back to Monsanto and saying, well, you probably need to fix this drug so it doesn't make cows sick. They actually changed their regulation to increase the allowable level of antibiotic residue in the milk. And that's because of the revolving door. Some of the same people who were approving the milk in the FDA were actually the ones that worked on that RBGH hormone at Monsanto.

So that one came, that one got off the market in large part. still there. It's actually still in the market. It's trying to make a comeback right now. But that one, they lost market shares because the consumer's pushed back. But I'll tell you, the moment that I realized that we're also losing our freedom, Dr. Drew, with in our food supply, is the moment I learned that for eight years, while RBGH was still in the experimental phase, so it's not approved, they did not know the consequences yet, for eight years, that milk was allowed to be sold on our grocery store shelves and it wasn't labeled. And the FDA not only knew, they said it was fine to do that.

And that's still the stance today. It's fine to put these experimental products on the shelves even today. So here's, let me sum that up by saying this. If you look in the FDA's own documents, they actually say the people are the solution. I have this quoted in the book. They say that if we don't demand the safety of our. food, the market has no incentive to provide that safety. So there you have it. They even recognize it's up to us. Yeah. No, I get it. It makes me, it's good sort of, all these things I get

crestfallen, all this stuff. I'm like, oh, Jesus. We could do better. It does work. And I really, I blame lobbyists. I blame NGOs. And Caleb, you keep focusing on frogs. I know you want to ask this question. No, that might be. That might be. I'll let you ask it. That's more. I think that might be more for the next guest, but what I was showing was an example of how the consumer actually created and pushed changes in a major restaurant.

Steak and Shake has been making major changes across all of their restaurants due to Maha's pushing them and then getting positive PR out of it. I think the seed oil story goes in that direction a little bit where people are starting to ask, you know, they're avoiding them. And so from a business standpoint, it's a bad idea. Oh, yeah, and the same thing. You have restaurants now going to tallow. I mean, the market works.

But I mean, think about why they went to seed oil. They're boiling, they were boiling seed oils and canola oils and stuff that are known to be carcinogenic when you heat them up. And that's where our government required them to go. It's insane. Yes. Well, there's several things that are in our food supply that are actually industrial byproducts. So it doesn't really surprise me. Frisco.

Yeah. So, I mean, the same thing with, you know, corn oil, right? I mean, that comes off of subsidies. Corn oil? Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, the list goes on and on. I mean, you talk about grass chemicals.

That's a self-certified process of the company. Oh, but, you know, a lot of people don't know about grass generally recognize as safe. Even though that is a loophole from the food additive amendment where the company itself determines if their own chemicals are safe that they put in our food. supply? Well, that process is voluntary. They don't have to actually tell the FDA that they're putting this chemical in our food. That's why even Kennedy admits that we don't know how many chemicals. We think there's around 10,000. But guess who made that process of notifying the FDA

voluntary? The FDA itself. I mean, you can't make this stuff up, you know? And then you get to GMOs. The original, the original. Why we have the FDA to know. I talked about this in the white mill. What was it? It was Upton Sinclair. He wrote this book called The Jungle because he wanted socialism. And he said, I shot for Americans' heads and I got them in the stomach. That's exactly right.

Which was an expose that was a... Fudulent. It was at least amplified about how the meat is processed. And then later he was downplaying Stalin's atrocities. Perfect. Well, that's the... Did he go to Potampican Village or something? No, but he was saying these numbers are exaggerated and Stalin would never shake hands with Hitler

and betrayed the workers. You guys are crazy. This American propaganda. And he was almost governor of California in 1934. Yeah. Yeah, the book was propaganda. Okay. Yeah.

Do you mean the jungle was a propaganda? You want to finish that thought? Yes, it was. He was going for socialism, right? He wanted to get rid of capitalism. But it was what Dr. Wiley needed to get FDA through. He's the one that created the Poison Squad, you know, where they basically took preservatives and gave them to healthy young men at increasing dosages to try to prove that they were toxic because he wanted the government to ban them. He's the one that created those three pillars I talked about that are the foundation of our national food laws even to natural, sorry, our nation's food laws even today.

And he couldn't get the FDA created because the people weren't willing to give the power. of the food supply to a federal government. It was up in Sinclair's bulk of falsehoods that pushed the people into fear and out of fear we got the FDA. You know, I'm getting so

frustrated, sad, discouraged by government. When I think about the... Yeah, I know. But I mean, really... Yeah. Yeah. But the National Center Mental Health is a very similar story. to the FDA, I can tell you some time, but it's created homelessness.

They're all, Dr. Drew, Dr. Drew, at some point you'll be waving that black flag. No, no. All the same. What Rogan said in his last Netflix series, I've Earth is flat. Maybe Earth is flat. Maybe Michelle Obama. Maybe. I'm open to anything now.

It's something when it starts, I guess this is what a reset is all about. We have crime because the government refuses to endorse to support property rights and keeps people defense list to protect their own. Hold your thought. I want to give Dr. McCullough. Sorry, Dr. Dr. Scott. It's a little different thought. But where can we watch, where can we see the podcast, and where can we get the books? Yeah, so the books on Amazon, and you can get the links to the podcast and watch episodes for free at my website, Dr.Cena McCullough.com. Listen, I appreciate you being here, and I think we'll be talking again in the not-too-distant future. So thank you for your work and thank you for sharing it with us.

Thank you so much for having me. You got it. So we aren't allowed to defend our property rights. Is that your point? Yeah. We have to offload it to the... No, what I was saying is in New York. Do you see that woman got arrested because she had people living in her house

and she wanted to change the locks and she got arrested? Swatters. Yeah. That's the thing in California. It happens all the time. Yeah, but I mean, that's her house. Yeah, I know. Not in California.

Right. But that's because in this state it's because the government keeps adjusting who has the power, lack of a better way of saying it, whether a landowner or a squatter or a renter or the legislation adjusts that. Right, because whatever the law is, whoever is in some power decides it is in a given moment. It has no coherence to whatsoever. They'll get there. Maybe steps, maybe steps. There could be flat. It could be flat.

Do you think that's a believe what I'm saying, you have to also leave there at this flat, and that's not true? No, I believe that there is... You take one red pill, not the whole bottle. I believe that people who create these things are following a logic of their own. It may not be just or well-founded, or... The real problem for me is that the real thing I see these days is people that create legislation based on ideology rather than how humans behave. And there's a complete lack of understanding. it seems like to me of the motivational system of the human being.

I don't think people nowadays are particularly more ideological than they were in the past. I think politics. I think it goes up and down. Sure, but do you think Gavin Newsomily is an ideologue? No, but I think some of the people that follow him think they are. Correct. That's for sure. But so let's flush out a little more of the Ukrainian story. So the Gulak is bad.

The Ku Klok, how do you pronounce it? The Gulag. The Gulag. They're bad. Those are bad people because they have money. The Kuulks. Kulok was the concentration camp system. Gulag is where

Gulag archipelagos was right. But he was able to turn people on one another. That was the part that really got so crazy diabolical. Well, think about it. When you're hungry, right, and you're being told you're hungry because that person is hoarding grain, your brain's going to latch onto whatever situation you have. But even when they also were hungry and had no food. But here's the sickest part that I learned in researching, the white pill is you would have these activists that descended onto these villages and your own body would betray you.

Because at a glance, I could tell if you've been eating or not. And if you've been eating, that property is the government's property. It's the people's property, they would say. So they would come back in the middle of the night. If there was a pot of soup on the stove or whatever, they would overturn the soup and crack the pot because they wouldn't even let you have that last meal. Obviously pets were gone and a livestock was gone. But the whole point was to collectivize the entire region. for the sake of the state

and for the people. So there was a huge diaspora out of that region. Well, it wasn't. A diaspora is kind of like when people flee. They were deported. A lot of these Kulaks who'd been there so-called Kulaks for centuries were sent to concentration camps or in the middle of Central Asia, just figure it out.

And now that they're gone, everything's supposed to be great for you, and that's not exactly how it worked out for people. But it was also all done on the web of secrecy. And then Western media did everything, their power, to downplay this and pretend this is just capitalist propaganda trying to destroy this beautiful noble experiment, including up in Sinclair. He set up Potemkin villages, which really... No, no, no, no, no.

Weren't the price exposed to all? No, no, no. So it was illegal to go to any of these places. And there was a British reporter named Gareth Jones who got off the train, a stop early, and walked through these different villages. And Walter Durante, who'd be the New York Times, man in Washington, led the press corps to say that, Walt, that Gareth Jones doesn't know what he's talking about. The Russians are just simply tightening their belts, which means you're out of food. It's not like they were doing the treadmill, and that they've been through this kind of thing before, and this is just complete propaganda to the contrary. So, but for Gareth Jones, we would have known any of this. It's crazy. It's not crazy. It's very coherent and evil. Yes. But the diaspora,

the diaspora that I am a product of, which was not, I don't have any evidence that any of my kin were farmers or they were just village people they were in the ghetto probably uh yeah i mean they were ghettoized eventually but that was starting but my grandmother would just talk about you know the the she didn't know who was rolling through town right she would just call them the bandits bandits because it could be the mensheviks the bolsheviks the czarist or the anarchist yeah or the anarchist or or somebody for stalin you know trying to collectivize things right you had no idea that And it got crazy and that's why the diaspora. But this is also why you have the Azov Battalion,

because for many people in Ukraine, the Nazis are the one whose they saw us liberating them from Stalin's evil. And you could kind of understand where they're coming from. And that's where that, that's why that still exists. Yes. Ish. Okay. Let's get back to food.

So it's a Zen. Somebody's brain works faster than yours, Drew. I don't know what to do. You're following us? And by the way, Drew drank a lot of Diet Coke in his life. Yeah. I have. Aren't you glad you stopped?

He hasn't stopped. Well, I'm mostly, I've certainly top compared to where I was. It might be different to everybody. Yeah, I can't say, I've noticed it has an adverse effect on hunger. Okay. But it might affect sleep or other stuff. Everyone's far different. Yeah, I mean, I kind of muscle through stuff.

You drank a lot. Yeah, I did drink a lot. I used to go. You need to drink some water in between. That's true. Caleb, sorry. I don't understand your directions up here. Am I taking a break or no?

Add break next. We're 12 minutes past. Yeah, no, I know. I want to get the average. Don't worry. We're going, Susan has given me permission to go a little slow here. Okay, so Zan, whom you know, you've interviewed before. Yes.

I'm not. Oh, Zan, Hiddy Cut. You can follow out at Yes, ma'am, 74. Moms Across America.com. Also, we're going to find Zen. and the book is unstoppable, transforming sickness and struggle into triumph, empowerment and celebration of community. What's that, Susan?

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We're going to finish our conversation. But first, Zen Honeycutt, as I said, yes, ma'am 74 on X. Moms Across America, Zen, thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me. Dr. Drew, great to be here. And I don't know if you heard the conversation we had with Dr. McCullough, but I'm guessing a lot of that stuff mobilizes you as well. Absolutely.

She's actually a former board member. So I was really happy to connect with her again through your show. It was great to see her. I have her book. It's fantastic. And I love how she emphasizes that the power is with the people, which is one of the reasons why moms across America got started. We said, hey, GMO, we're not buying it, right?

If we don't buy it, they can't sell it. That's exactly the whole premise that she has at the marketplace, the people, the consumer, have the power and what happens in the marketplace. So I'm excited about what's happening with the food supply. supply today. We've shifted a huge part of the market from 20 billion to 70 billion in sales in organic since we've gotten started 14 years ago. Wow. Explain to us what has happened here with glyphosate and how it's it feels like that all of a sudden changed directions in not a good way. Yeah. So that is a major, that was a major blow to the Maha movement, the glyphosate executive

order that Trump recently put out, it was, it felt like an FU to the Maha movement. And, you know, I understand that there's a lot of explanation around it. And in fact, Moms Across America is one of them that put out that 85.7 percent of all of the glyphosate that's produced is produced by Chinese-owned companies. And Kennedy recently put out in the Joe Rogan show that 99% of the glyphosate that is purchased by Americans is from China. So Trump does not like that, right? He does not want to be dependent on a China for anything, pretty much, and especially not what our farmers use to grow their food. And so he invested basically in glyphosate and did, interestingly enough, not just a quiet business deal, right? Their business contracts done all the time for things that are national security issues, which they deemed glyphosate a national security issue. But he made it an executive. order. And the reason why, I believe he did that was because, number one, he was also able to give them immunity as the contractors for certain types of lawsuits regarding contractors for the U.S.

government. And second of all, it was a major signal. It happened the week before when the farm bill was supposed to drop, I mean, not drop, but have go through markup, which was delayed a week because of weather. But it came out just a few days before the farm bill, which has a pesticide immune. shield in it, which would give the manufacturers, these foreign manufacturers, immunity from lawsuits. So he put it out just before that sending a message to our legislators that he wants to prioritize glyphosate accessibility in America. It's also a month before the Supreme Court hearing, Dernel versus, well, actually, Monsanto versus Dernel in this case, like the appeal of Dernel versus Monsanto, which would also give Bayer, Chem, China, and other chemical companies,

complete immunity. And that is a message. We believe Trump was sending a message to the Supreme Court that he wants to sort of protect glyphosate in its availability to the farmers. And this is extremely concerning to us because we need to be moving away from glyphosate. There's 33 countries, Drew, that actually do not allow glyphosate as a drying agent on their crops. And instead of moving towards investing in more glyphosate production in the United States, I think we need to be moving away from it and towards regenerative organic agriculture. What, what, again, I earlier was talking about how motivation is often left out of every conversation these days. I'm wondering what motivated him to do that. Is there something that

the farmers insisted upon or that has economic impact in terms of their ability to do the farming? And is it possible? This is sort of a temporizing thing. It just makes those sense. So where do that come from? That's what the farmers, but keep in mind, these are chemical farmers, right? These are GMO, agrochemical farmers are telling the administration that they can't farm without glyphosate, which is partially but not completely true, right? If you choose GMO agrochemical seed, you know, farming practices and seeds, you're going to use the glyphosate that the GMO seeds are genetically engineered to withstand in order to kill the weeds. You can spray the entire crop with your tractor or your airplane. The weeds will die, but the crops such as corn and soy and

canola and cotton will not, right? So that's the way it's set up. But let's keep in mind. Farming is a choice. Farming practices are a choice. Cancer is not. So we are a little fed up with this. And so would there, I understand, would there be a, I'm just trying to understand the landscape here and what everyone's thinking. Would there be a role to allow glyphosate for, say, you know, grains for, I don't know what, is, you know, or cotton for clothing or something?

Just not the stuff that's getting human consumed? Well, that would be a great first step. I mean, actually, the best first step would be to not allow it as a drying agent, right? But as I said, 33 other countries don't do that. There are other methods to do it. We have not done that up until 2020, 2002 was when that really kicked in, was using glyphosate as a drying agent. So it hasn't been that long. It's not necessary to be used as a drying agent.

That would be the first step. Second, we would love to have it not sprayed on food or feed crops, right? When you're spraying it on feed crops, the animals, are ingesting the glyphosate. It goes into their tendons like pigs, for instance, and then it ends up in vaccines, Dr. Drew, which is what we found. Five childhood vaccines, also another scientist found it in 12 out of 14 vaccines. Glyphosate is ending up in our childhood vaccines,

and even Donna Farmer, Monsanto's lead toxicologist, admits when glyphosate is injected, it causes harm. So it's got to stop. Michael, I wonder if you have any questions for Zend. It just seems like it's so hard nowadays. There's so many of these terms in the media, and it's hard for people to figure out which ones are the ones that are really, really dangerous. This one's like, okay, it's kind of an inconvenience.

In terms of the severity of risk to the average person and the pervasiveness of its consumability, where would you put glyphosates? Well, Dr. Don Huber, who's over a 60-year plant pathologist, who's worked for NASA, says that glyphosate's going to make DDT look like mouthwash. And that is because of the way that it functions, and also because of the pervasiveness of the use of glyphosate, over 280 million pounds are used per year on our food and feed crops in America. 20 million pounds are used in our parks and playgrounds.

So when you're using that much glyphosate and it's showing up, it's water soluble, it's showing up in our rain, it's showing up in the air, in breast milk, our children's urine, tap water, beer, wine. I'm so sorry, guys, it's in your beer because they sprayed on grains as a drying agent, right? So it's showing up in practically all the foods we've tested. We've tested school lunches, fast food, military food, gluten-free food, Girl Scout cookies. I mean, it's showing up everywhere, especially if it's not organic. Only about 20% of it has contamination of glyphosate for, you know, fraudulent labeling.

But because it's so pervasive and because of the way it functions, it's a key later, meaning it grabs onto the vital nutrients and makes them unavailable, which can lead to disease, right? if you don't have high levels of vitamin D that's going to lead to disease. It is an endocrine disruptor, meaning it disrupts hormones, can impact fertility, sterility, miscarriages. It damages sperm and androgyizes baby girls, according to Dr. Shana Swan from the book Countdown. And it's also an antimicrobal.

It's a patented antimicrobal. And that means it kills off the beneficial gut bacteria and allows for the proliferation of the pathogenic gut bacteria. weakens our immune system. You want to know why so many of us got sick during COVID. Here's why. It's glyphosate. Well, I've got people that say it's seed oils.

So there's a lot of stuff assaulting us these days. And I understand you also have concerns about what is being fed to the military. Absolutely. We tested 40 samples of military food, 16 like chow hall meals from six different bases and 24 military ready meals. and we found that 95% of them were positive for glyphosate at concerning levels, 100% were positive for pesticides. And by the way, 100% of those pesticides are 100% made in China. And also, we found 100% positive for heavy metals. One of them was 17,000 times higher aluminum was 17,000 times higher than what the EPA

allows in drinking water. And we found veterinary drugs and hormones that are extremely concerning. Some of them were banned in three countries. And that to us means either those veterinary drugs and hormones are being illegally used, which must stop, or that meat is being imported from other countries, such as Africa and China, which is what is reported to us by military members. So we think the American military members should be having American raised, generally raised meat and that we should be investing in American ranchers to provide the military with American raised meat. also, you know, American food.

If when we did the crunch the numbers, you know, did a little AI research and crunch the numbers and found that if the U.S. government invested in regenerative organic transitioning, right, to regenerative organic, the training that was required, and the procurement of regenerative organic food for the U.S. military, it would cost less than 1% of the military budget. And if they did it for students as well, we, we, um, yeah, we are going to, There are so many things about our food supply that is dumb.

And I really mean it as dumb. And not more regenerative farming is one of those dumb things. The fact that all our meat is processed in like two plants in the whole country, dumb. And processed in other countries. We send it out to China and it comes back, you know, things like that. That's what I was going to say. The marine, we have enough regenerative oceans.

I'm going to go to a fundraiser for Chef Gourl right after we finish here in Huntington Beach. And he is pointed, he's done, he was a fellow at the, at the, I think the Long Beach Aquarium. And he studied regenerative farming of the fisheries. He said, we have tons here, but we get it all from China because the laws, because of the ecology, because of the, you're going to, you're going to, you know, their fear that you're going to screw up a plankton or something. You know, all this kind of shit we do in California. and it's dumb. It's just dumb. And it's unhealthy.

And again, if I weren't in this sort of pilled environment, I'm in, I probably wouldn't make a lot of it. But now I'm thinking there's a lot to be changed. On the other hand, I know a little bit about marine zoology. So the Chinese have driven several species to extinction, the river dolphin. Without any concern. The Chinese paddlefish. So if this is, the patigoting toothfish, which is the Chilean sea bass, which has a very regenerative rate if the whole thing is if you ban it here people still want it at the super at the

restaurant what are you going to do as that chef right yeah well but it's the it's the same thing as trying to do with uh impact co2 and China just does whatever it wants right that's exactly correct same kind of same kind of thing uh well listen uh zen i appreciate the the work you're doing and uh i i want to send people to where they can support you and what they're interested in and uh how they can involved because I think the theme that has emerged is the sovereignty of the people and the power of the marketplace. And you guys are deploying that as well. Where should they go? What should they do? What do you want them to read? Give it your pitch. They should go to momsacrossamerica.org and sign up for our Monday night moms connect calls, you know, sign up for our newsletter, donate to us to

help to support us with more testing. And you can also join us with a whole bunch of other food activists and Maha people on April 27th in Washington, D.C. It's people versus poison on the Supreme Court, basically Supreme Court steps to protest the hearing of the appeal for Dernel versus Monsanto. We cannot give these pesticide companies complete immunity from lawsuits like vaccine companies have. It's absolutely insane. Every single company should be held accountable for the safety of their products. And to be fair, you know, to drive home a point, Drew, we are a free country. We got freedom from the monarchy in England because we said we want to be independent.

And independence means being responsible for your actions, right? You heard somebody. You're going to jail for that. So we need our chemical companies to be responsible for what they're doing. So join us on April 27th in D.C. People versus Poison and go to momsacrossamerica.org. Sam, thank you for your work and thank you for joining us. Thank you.

So no. I made that face because if you read the myth of objective law about John Hasseness, which is in my Anarchistin-Tan book, you realize that you are never going to have a government system with a powerful or held accountable. They will always have access to the lawmakers. They will always have access to better attorneys. So I feel like we're entering a phase for the moment. I don't just finish my thought. I'm not surprised that these vaccine manufacturers have no legal accountability. And I think people have to appreciate that's how the system works and

has worked from the beginning. Not one slave owner ever had consequences other than the Civil War itself for having owned other people and whipped them. They were never went to jail. Yeah. I mean, I feel like the union brought some consequence. Sure. One point is that seven years later, right? Yeah. But point is you're always going to have powerful people going to have more access to the law than people are otherwise unempowered. And this this is a perfect, if you're going to promote something, a product so heavily that everyone has to take it or they lose their jobs, if not their kids. Vaccine now. Vaccine. And then be like, well, every product is going to have 1% point 1% of people are going to have a negative reaction. Sure, of course. And you have to account for that financially. If you're making billions, like, you know what? We're going to have a fund. It's going to be safe for 99.98. But that one person who can't have those Flintstones vitamins, okay, we're going to take care of the milk costs. That's how you structure it.

Right. But they don't have to even that. It's getting distorted by lobbyists. Right. And you can't have a system of government where the lobbyists aren't going to have access to lawmakers. It's not possible because you're going to have asymmetry in terms of who's interested versus who's not interested and rent seeking. So you, you, is it the black pill I'm supposed to take? No, it's the red pill. Red pill.

Red pill. With the black flag. Red pill with the black flag. Yes, the black flag of anarchists. What am I going to be thinking when I fully, you're seeing me take baby steps evidently in that direction? What am I going to believe when I'm actually taking that film? You believe something that you will not be able to say on camera. Multiple things or just one thing?

There's one big one, but... One big one. Yes. You have... Intriguing. You have said that we're in civil war. No, I have not. You did tell me that.

No, no. Yeah, I said, you said there's going to be... You said that there would be dissolution of the states or something. thing. National divorce. That's not the same thing as a civil war. Okay. Now we're not in a civil war. Okay. So we're in a national divorce to the states? We're heading in that direction, don't you think?

I think it's more and more difficult for red state mentality to talk to a blue state mentality and people are moving internally to self-segregate. I think there will be a balkanization of the population. Sure. And I think the blue states will have to come to the red states to rescue them eventually. Rescue them from what? From whatever financial

disasters they bring upon themselves. The blue states are going to help the red states? No, I'm sorry. The blue is going to be helped by the red. The reds aren't helping the blue. I know that's when there's going to be a big trouble. Right. When that starts to happen, that's when I don't know. Sure. But the blue state argument is that the red states can't self-sustain themselves and they're going to become crawling back. And my point to them is, even if that were true, there are plenty of people who'd rather be freer and poorer than richer and more oppressed

and have their values not reflected. So the red state is more in a more oppressive environment. No, what I'm saying is if their argument is true, right, the blue state argument, the blue state argument is these red states are leeches. Yeah. They are no. consumers, not net producers. If there is a national divorce, the red states can't wait to come back. And my point is, even if that were true, plenty of people would rather be poorer

and freer, or at least by freer, have their values represented, than be wealthier and yet had not have their values represented. So the topic of freedom was was that something you've been thinking about a long time? Oh, of course. Yes, most certainly. Not for the average boomer at all.

Well, I thought of the... Enchel Mencken in the 1920s made the point, the average man does not want to be free. He simply wants to be safe. And you saw that overwhelming during COVID. I think if everyone watched this and said, you're going to have a Republican president and the people are going to voluntarily lock themselves in their house,

they'd be like Americans would never stand for it. And we all saw it happen. Yes, I absolutely agree with you. But it caused some of us to be very concerned about freedom and the Bill of Rights. Correct. Which is a new thing. It's in our lifetime.

But that's a very new thing in our life. time, and I agree with your point, my point is that ceiling for the number of people who could wake up is very low. Well, you only need, you need to wake up that, so I believe the theory that mass formation occurs when about 20% of people become true believers of something. Yes, that's correct. And 10% go, what the fuck's going on here? Hang on, stop.

Right. And 70% go, I just want to go to work. They're always the ballast. Yeah, but they need to be mobilized to 70% needs to be brought in. And you're saying they won't? I'm not holding my breath, no. But I'm also saying on a farm, you know, the farmer's outnumbered enormously by everybody else. Doesn't mean he's not running the farm.

Meaning. Like you've got chickens, you've got cows, you've got pigs, you've got hundreds of other beings, but they're not making the decisions. So I saw somebody the other day to that point said, it's time for everybody to reread Animal Farm. Sure. But I don't think we're much closer to Brave New World than to Animal Farm. I think I've ever read Brave New World. You've never read Brave New World? I did. I need to read it. Okay.

Need to read it. Holy crap. Dude, I need to read it. There's some books I haven't got to. Let's listen to it. Dude, I need to read this book. How do you do, fellow teens? No, no. I remember an animal farm. Well, come on now.

But these are all, I feel like that things are being exposed to the sunshine. Right. Right. And that we are in sort of reset kind of moment. I agree. And that all this stuff, even the stuff we talked about about food, you know, it's all like, Joe Rogan just capsulated perfectly.

He goes, you know, I believe anything now. Anything is possible? Do you know what's going to happen? If too many people wake up and are activated, you're going to see a mass rollout of corporate-based psychedelics and influencers telling you should all be in psychedelics and everyone's really going to get high and complete loose touch of reality. That's the move for them to make. Who's them?

The power class. Yeah. So they're already doing that kind of thing. Why are you laughing, though? So let me raise my hand. They're not losing power without a fight. As a part of that 10%, let me raise my hand and go, no, it's a bad idea. It's a great idea for them to maintain their power.

I understand. I understand. But all the excessive enthusiasm around hallucinogenics, they have some utility. There's a big downside that everyone's ignoring. I agree. But my point is they've got more cards to play before they even have to go full Stalin. Who were they? The people in power.

The state. The state and the media collaborates in the university. One of the pills I've taken recently showed me that Epstein and their elites were concocting all kinds of shit just because they had a bunch of money and access. Right. And stupid shit. You ought to do that word stupid. Like it serves some utility to someone. Okay.

That's a good challenge because I consider stupid. I say stupid shit sometimes when I think sort of immoral. That's not stupid at all. It's malevolent. It's evil. It's, it's, I don't believe that these are, I'm naive. Remember this. Okay, sure. I don't believe that these are necessarily immoral people. They're, they're brought to immoral behavior and I consider they're just stupid, just dumb. I want it better from you, right? Don't be so dumb. Okay. I don't think it's dumb. I think it's human nature. And I think when you're that wealthy and you're above the law, you get off literally and figuratively from doing. things that defy norms. Maybe. But then I've also become pilled aware that there's all these other cabals out there, the World Health Organization, and the

WEF and all these things. There's these things that are operating above the government, none elected, but they're being exposed. I feel like they don't have real power anymore. They don't have real power anymore. They don't have the because the people are sovereign. And if they have people real, oh, okay.

What does that even mean? That if the people recognize what's going. I'm going to I'm going to, we just need to vote in the right people. Is that your argument? No. The people aren't sovereign then. My argument is if there's enough awareness, people are going to have enough of this. I agree, but my point is the ceiling of the number of people who come become aware is very low.

Why? Because of human nature. Because human nature? Because they're too busy doing other stuff. No, because people do not have the capacity to question the framework that they're given in. Say it again? Most people do not have the capacity to question the framework that they've been brought up in. I don't know.

I do know. How do you know? Because just listen to them, talk to them. Here's how you know. Here's how you know. Because if an average person grows up in Tehran, they're going to be a certain type of Muslim. The person grows up in China.

They're going to be a Maoist. It's the same person. It's a function of their environment. But unless somebody exposes and sufficiently exposes them to the light that they start thinking, maybe. Some will, but the vast majority are just going to by osmosis except what's around them. And that's why views are localized by. geography and not evenly distributed by logic.

Other than the things I can't say on my own show, what else is in our future? What do you mean? With the future of me seeing the black pill with the red flag or whatever. It's red pill with the black flag. That's right. Red pill with the black flag.

I think you are going to appreciate more than you already have how, you've talked about this already, how pervasive dark triad and cluster B things. But that's a trend. That's something that has happened to us. I agree. What I'm saying is, I don't think... I think it happened in 1789 in France, too.

Okay, I'm not arguing with you. Okay, okay. Now you're activated. I like that. What I'm saying is I think you'll see more dominoes falling, how much that affects our culture and how much that's been the driving force of our politics. Oh, I see that very, very clearly. I think there's more for you to see.

That's all I'm saying. And for me, the sort of pathway that I worry about is the mob and collectivism. Excuse me, mob and scapegoating. Yes, that's... That's a part of it. That's the worst. That's the worst. It's not the worst.

It gets worse than that. But it's really bad. Because it gets really bad. Then you got a Napoleon that steps in. The polling was in many ways better than the alternative. That's right. That's what I'm saying. Something steps in.

That's what Machiavelli said. There'll be a prince. There'll be a prince. That's what's in Washington right now. It's not. Did you see what he tweeted this morning? I'm sure. It's terrible.

No, he had this same America act. Someone pulled it up. And one is like ID for elections. And the fifth one, I hope he's joking. He says genital mutation only with parents' approval in writing. That's funny. I don't know if he was, it was just bizarre to see. No, no, listen.

No, you listen. But no, listen, all of you who are activated by that. That's what he does. He's doing that to freak people out. He puts a that kind of language to get the attention. It worked. Here we are talking about it. What he really means is you can't, that if you're going to do a gender change,

it has to be the parent involvement. That's what he's really talking about. Right, but that's horrific, even with the parent involvement. But kids? Listen, why am I saying this? You are over here? I don't know. Is that the tweet?

Yeah. We can't read it, Caleb. It's blurry. Oh, it's, everyone has probably seen it by now. It's a typical Trump tweet, but the last one is the fifth one that he's talking about, which is saying, you know, the fourth is no men and women's sports. Fifth is no transgender mutilation surgery for children without the express. written approval of the parents, which a lot of people are saying he's probably joking there,

but who knows? He's joking the way he put it. Right. But I'm telling, listen, here I am again. Why do I say that to you? I don't say that normally. What I'm saying, Dr. Drew. You aren't.

You've been in my head for a long time, man. Don't you see that? Do you see that? That's why your hair turned white. No, it's already one. But I may start drinking Dr. Pepper, and that'd be really extra weird. Dr. Papp. But what was I say?

You've addled me. I do believe that the right treatment for the right patient, properly consented, should be allowed. Okay. That's fair. That's what he's saying. He's saying it in the Trumpian fash. He says it what he's saying.

I do. I do. He's saying it in a way that makes you freak out. But he's saying that, look, he doesn't want to take away all rights to certain treatments. Wait, do you think there are time in a place for vaginoplastity for minors? There may be. Okay. And that it would have to be.

But what I would argue is that if my profession is going to recommend something like that, they better F and know exactly who they're recommending it for, why they're recommending it, what the outcome is going to be, what the risks are. Exactly. I think we have seen that your profession, no respect to you, does not have those guardrails. Not at all. And that's not having them in any issue. Or almost any issue.

Well, not in this issue. Certainly, when it pertains to anything public health, turned out public health has a wholly different sort of thinking about things. Sure. It thinks about only just this sort of collective good and does not take a risk into account. Right. That's insane. Right.

That's insane. Or downsides. Let's talk about downsides. Right. And so the gender thing got swept into public health, I think, is what happened here. Sure. This is bad. This is bad.

Yes. Well, I have to end this show because I have to find out what this thing is I can't say in public. Okay. Will you share it with me? Of course. What if I share it publicly? It's the speech Divine gives on her political positions in Pink Flamingos.

People can find that. Where? In the movie Pink Flamingos, Divine has asked her political views, and she replies. So I saw Pink Flamingos in 1977. Okay. Well, that's kind of my answer. It's like 1776, I guess I saw. Okay.

Yeah. And we had no idea what we were going to watch. And I remember I was with, I was doing some sort of productions and stuff then. And I remember everyone looking down the, there was about eight of us there. And everybody had their sweaters over there. And it was at midnight too. Yes. Because it must have been a midnight screening.

So why do you know that? Because there's only a lot to be screened at midnight. Oh, well, that's what we saw it at midnight. Yeah. So were you guys just high or something? We had finished something and we were all like, what are we going to do? Oh, they're playing something. They literally, they ran it in the chemistry lecture hall.

Oh, at your school? At the Amherst College, yeah. Holy crap. And it was a double feature, Pink Flamingos and Freaks. Okay. Oh, yeah, yeah. Google Gobble. Yeah.

And Freaks were just like, why? But Pink Flamingos was like, we were all like a friend. Well, the Freaks was a time capsule of those sideshow performers. Yeah, it was. Yeah. But the Pink Flamingos, and we, you know, there's a documentary out now on Divine that's pretty good. Yeah. You seen it?

No. Which was the one we watched, do you remember? There's a good book about it. I didn't realize the whole sweep of her, his, her. That's a big argument in Wikipedia. So Divine was a drag queen. Yeah. I'm not a woman.

It's a character I play. They try to put the female pronouns on the Wikipedia. Divine never used female pronouns. And this is kind of this retroactive culture war. It's like, I'm a dude and a dress. I'm not a woman. I'm playing a crazy character. If you don't.

And Divine was the inspiration for Ursula in The Little Mermaid. The character model. Oh, it does look a lot like Divine. A lot. Yeah. Who did that? Whoever the art designer was for The Little Mermaid. That's how it goes from the fringe to the mainstream.

That's how culture moves. Fascinating. I need a, in addition to a, in addition to a great new world, I need a reading list from you. Oh, that would easy. I do it to Julie Michaels too. Okay, good. Well, it's funny. Julia, my mind, work a lot alike.

Why do I feel like I know? I'm like, oh, you're like, Dr. Drew. She do. They really, I, I, don't know. Oh, she blew me away. Yeah. There it is. There's Divine and there's Ursula.

When I first started seeing how her head worked, I went, oh, yeah, I know that's it. I know what you're doing. Me and my protege have very different backgrounds and histories. And I'm like, why is our brain wired exactly the same thing? And his hypothesis was it's probably like 20 different modules, how a brain or however a number can be calibrated. And sometimes it meets somebody else whose brain like Tetris is wired the same way. Yeah, works the same. It's not even a wiring system.

Yeah, right. It's an operating system. But you know this person thinks the same way you do. They use, she acquires and uses information the same way. Yeah. Yeah. So, you have any questions for Michael? I'm like, not a Gillian fan?

It's true. Yeah. No, we're all fans of Jillians. It's just, yeah. We always put her together on actual friends. I've been noticed a repeat of that because they start going at each other. You and me? No, you and Jillian.

You got each other? Not an aggressive way or anything. just we sort of, we sort of, we're playing bollying. Yeah, yeah. And I end up always by telling her, just make sure she uses that brain for good. That's all that's all that. Maybe I'm saying something about myself. She goes off a little bit.

Oh, she is astonishing. But it's also because I think at your guys' age now, you're realizing I've been like to my whole life. It's kind of been like, and you're smart and informed. It's just like, holy crap, how was I just duped for this long? Oh, the pandemic. We were just like. Pandemic is really broken.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like, we weren't letting down. It was like, this is not real. Because you know what you know. But it's also you being told. I've talked to you about this when you're on my show. You're being told by Randos, oh, shut up, you know what you're talking about.

I'm like, I'm an actual doctor. I'm not a Jill Biden doctor. Well, not only that. It's more that I have 40 years of experience as a physician. I kind of know, and I had this rare, I think I told you. There's a very, very rich clinical experience. And I kind of know how this stuff works, how people go and what's right and what's wrong. and I immediately knew something was wrong.

Immediately, just instinctively. I mean, you get to the point in medicine where you can walk in a room, I know what's going on. And this was one of those events where I'm like, something's not right here. And it's fascinating that it's probably the subconscious part of your brain that's picking things up

and you're like, what is it? I get articulated. It's the holistic thing. Yeah, yeah, that's the word. Because your brain has to break things down. This is Jillian does. She's breaking things down to tiny little pieces and learning little pieces and then it becomes a whole.

Yeah. And I'm very good with the whole thing. And my dad was too, interestingly. And it gives you judgment. Because you derive judgment from this holistic sensibility of the whole of the information that you're acquiring. It's also great to be at that level where you could trust your instincts. If something smells nine times out of ten, I'm picking up something my brain doesn't consciously pick up. Yep, yep, yep, yep.

I've been here before, especially you're dealing with addicts. Like if their entire intent is to deceive, you really have to pick up some kind of sixth sense to figure out, like, okay, do they want help? were they trying to get over? What I learned to do was to trust whatever came out of my mouth. Okay, yeah, yeah. And sometimes things that came out of my mouth shocked the hell out of me and scared me. I like had one guy was heroin addict, treated multiple times, crying, sobbing, just had a near-death experience.

I'm going to die. This is horrible. This illness is killing me. I am so sad. And he was sad. It was really hurt. He was hurt. And what came out of my mouth was, dude, you were so full of shit.

I don't even know what to believe anymore. And he stopped crying. crying and I thought I was going to swing at me. And he went, I know. How did you know that? I don't know what? I don't know what. I don't know what's real with Don anymore. And I thought, well, I have an instinct with you that I know when you're bullshitting and maybe we can get to some meaningful place. I'm also so curious how this hasn't made you hardened as a person.

We need to do two more hours. Sure. I'm just saying that you have people who lie to you to your face and your only goal is to help them. You don't really care. And how does that not corrupt your view of human nature? I am exceedingly naive and exceedingly that's why I was saying stupid stuff. People disappoint me all the time. But you're not naive if you know people are capable lying to your face with great ease and persuasiveness. But I can, I'm naive in the sense of a fall for it.

You don't, you're picking up on it. I do pick up, but I've been, but I know I can also fall for it. Sure, but that's, I mean, that's not your failing. No, no, no, I know. It's just like, it's just, look, when it comes to, when it comes to, here I am, listen, it's so, it's so weird. I don't say that. I know, it's you. It's something about you.

It's something, oh my God, we're so late. We're not, we got to get to this fundraiser. But what I know is, is they wouldn't have that condition if they weren't lying to me. Right. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So I accept it. It's acceptance.

Of course. But I am naive. Yeah. And it's why it's working with that has been important to me, really. Frankly, it's good to kind of accept the full spectrum of what people. I don't know what the word is. It's not quite the right word. No, it isn't.

Credulous? When you give me in my book list, you put in, see, figure out. I'm not going to write it down. I'll text you. All right. Listen, everybody. This has been good fun. No, you listen, everybody.

Obviously the price. Susan, anything else on your front? Anything we should review? No. Caleb, I'm going to let you go. I know you got kids that need to go to bed. There's the list coming up. We are in again on Tuesday.

Is that right? Is that correct, everybody? Walter's the best. Tuesday night, yes. Tuesday night from Florida. Tuesday, 2 p.m. Pacific. Where do you see Walter? The 19th.

You don't want to miss Walter Kern. You can listen to and talk about toenails. Yeah, Walter's great. I'm serious. My favorite talker probably. And he's, I would call him a friend. Oh, my gosh, the best. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And his wife, too. They've met her? I've not, no. Fabulous journalists. And they are just, they're fun together. Uncle. Okay. That's it. We're going to wrap it up right here. What's that? They're fun together. Well, they, I guess I've been interviewed by, I don't know, they just play off each other in interesting ways.

All right. We're wrap it up, Michael. I so appreciate you being here. Don't you have a flight to catch? No, it's like an eight. Okay. All right. Good. We're going to go, we're going to go cheer on Shep Gruel. He's running for city council and, right? In Huntington Beach. If you live in Huntington Beach, vote for. chef gruel. Well, his name's Andrew. He is such a great guy. And I'm going to go there and stump for him right now. Hell yeah. Everybody, see you on Tuesday.

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