Ask Dr. Drew - Only 1 Day Left To Indict Fauci For 2020 “Malfeasance” w/ Dr. Scott Atlas + Jonathan Turley on Coordinated Attacks Against Supreme Court – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 620

Episode Date: May 10, 2026

“On May 11th, the statute of limitations expires on the possibility of indicting Anthony Fauci for denying under oath that he funded gain-of-function research involving bat coronaviruses in Wuhan,�� writes Senator Rand Paul. Dr. Scott Atlas—former Special Advisor to the President—is demanding accountability before time runs out. “[They] presided over the worst fiasco in public health history,” says Dr. Scott Atlas. “The malfeasance was the 2020 gross ignorance of Fauci, Birx & Redfield about known lockdown harms, basic biology, & data when they pushed lockdowns, pseudoscience masks, etc. THEIR policy killed & destroyed millions.” Dr. Atlas discusses the final countdown to indict Dr. Fauci and how “America’s left has a sickness – they cannot tolerate individual freedom and choice.” Renowned legal scholar and George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley breaks down the coordinated political attacks on the Supreme Court and his new book “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage.” Dr. Scott Atlas, MD is the Robert Wesson Senior Fellow in health policy at the Hoover Institution of Stanford University. From August through November 2020, he served as Special Advisor to the President and a member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force. He is the author of A Plague Upon Our House: My Fight at the Trump White House to Stop COVID from Destroying America. Follow at https://x.com/ScottAtlas_IT Jonathan Turley is a law professor, columnist, television analyst, and litigator. Since 1998, he has held the Shapiro Chair for Public Interest Law at George Washington University Law School. He is the author of The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage and Rage and the Republic: The Unfinished Story of the American Revolution. Follow at https://x.com/JonathanTurley 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Amazing guest today. Jonathan Turley joins me in a few minutes. He has a new book called Rage and the Republic. I recommend it most highly. And we'll be discussing with him amongst other things, the coordinated attack on the Supreme Court. First, however, we are very fortunate to have one of the heroes from the whole COVID catastrophe, Dr. Scott Atlas. There are a few people that, as a result of that experience,

stood out as heroic. That's the best word I have for it. He had a book chronicling what happened during the entire catastrophe. He has a website. I would refer you to where you can see some of his interviews. Let me get that for you right now. But most importantly, we have a possibility of Dr. Fauci being held accountable for some of the transgressions in front of Congress, amongst other things.

Rand Paul himself as saying apparently that there may be a whistleblower coming in on Wednesday you can follow Dr. Atlas at Scott Atlas.com. Also on X, it is Scott Atlas underscore IT, and then independent.org slash Scott Atlas. There's a lot to be discussed. You know, I was thinking watching that video, some of you may have seen what we just watched, was when Dr. Atlas and I first, or last spoke, frankly, everything was sort of astonishing and new and sort of ineffable and unbelievable. Now I was just thinking the frog has been properly boiled and all of this now is just a matter of fact and the way things are done in our country. We just didn't know it. What I'm hoping Dr. Atlas is able to elucidate for me is some of the ways we can change that

because so much has been revealed in such a short period of time and so much much of it was certainly not known to me. And I look forward to discussing it with Dr. Atlas. And then we'll bring Jonathan Turley in here. Obviously Jonathan is an attorney. Let me give you some of his particulars where you can find him. I don't think I have it. It's probably Jonathan Turley dot com. Caleb

you can help me with that late. I don't see any of Dr. Jonathan Turley stuff, but get the book. The book is I will tell you it is a a delightful romp through the revolutionary era, particularly with a focus amongst other things on Thomas Payne

who is someone that I think people have heard of common sense and the book that he wrote turns out as with every public historical figure the myth and the gloss we have is quite different than reality and it's worth your time to read

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Dr. Scott Atlas is the Robert Weston's Senior Fellow in Health Policy at the Hoover Institute at Sanford University. From August or November 2020, he served as a special advisor to the president and member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force. He's the author of a plague upon our house, my fight at the Trump White House to stop COVID from destroying America. As I said, you can follow Dr. Atlas on Scott Atlas underscore IT. And do check out his website. I was just fishing around there. There's a lot of great interviews and material there as well. Dr. Atlas, welcome back. Thanks for having me. Happy to be here.

So I, you know, when I see you and think about you and spend time on your website, I just think to myself, you know, I'm the frog that has been properly boiled. So many things that were astonishing to me last time we talked and sort of unbelievable that you confirmed from me were, in fact, reality have now just become the background in which we're all trying to operate. I guess my first question would be, how are you doing? I'm doing well you know still fighting the fight for speaking out and speaking the truth and I'm concerned I'm concerned that a lot of these things

can happen again so we'll see yeah they certainly seem whipped up and ready to do it at the slightest motion slightest slightest you know sort of incitement but but for me one of the things I wanted to talk to you about is the more I think about it the more concerned I am about the authority, the power, the excessive power that our public health system has within our constitutional framework.

It's a wrinkle. It's a mistake. And not only do they have too much power, they can determine by fiat when they exert that power, how they exert that power. And many of them, if not most, are not physicians. They're either like sociologists or just bureaucrats. or attorneys, what could be done about this, if anything? Yeah, I mean, I think this is really the difficult question, not as much what happened, but what do we do to prevent these things from happening again? You know, and I've suggested many of them. One is we need to limit the power that people have. And one way to do that is to prevent these fiefdoms inside these health agencies from arising,

which is say like a Fauci having 38 years of working or Burks over 30 years in government position. So I suggested term limits for the people running the agencies, not just people elected, but the people appointed. We need to have this not be a career, but be a temporary position. We need to stop the financial corruption, which is that when people come out of being head of FDA, head of other health agencies, they become on boards of companies who they regulated, whose products they approved or they researched. So I suggested having all of the people, head of NIH, head of CDC, head of FDA, head of HHS, have obligatory of forbidding them from being on boards of companies in the sectors that they regulated. And, you know, I said this before when the other side,

was in and everybody agreed with me and now I hear silence on that. I don't hear anybody saying that or even pledging that. I think we need to get the sharing of royalties away that we found out existed. I'll give you an example, $325 million were royalties shared by employees of the government agencies for drugs and for companies that earned them that they had worked them. I mean, that's overt financial corruption. So there's a lot of other things, including somehow realizing that there's no such thing as guaranteed constitutional freedoms if they can be eliminated by decree. And this is an illusion that we've been living under. People don't want to face that.

We're not a free country if the freedom can be taken away. And we had freedom of association. We had force injection of drugs into you or your children. and we've had that for many years. I'm completely opposed to having mandates of any drugs. You know, we've had the government shutdowns. These were unconstitutional things, and they got away with it. Okay, they did get away with it.

And what's worrisome is that there's this desire for the people who called for these to not talk about that anymore. They don't want to talk about the lockdowns and the school closures and the business shutdowns. Why? Because they were complicit. They're humiliated by being. wrong, so wrong, so publicly, but they want to turn the page. And the problem with turning the page and not talking about it is it'll happen again. I'm very concerned about that. They seem very

wedded, sort of almost turned on by, I don't know that they're strictly speaking humiliated. They would be if they would listen to the objective truths. But I think they're sort of excited by the entire experience and want to do it again. I just see evidence of, look, look, I interviewed a pediatrician yesterday who's being drummed out of practice by the public health personnel, which is just a bureaucratic nightmare in New York State for daring to have conversations with her patients, pediatric patients and their family, about what vaccines they did or did not want. Not no, not discouraging vaccines, not had all vaccines available.

just which you have you know let's let's talk about this together if you like otherwise i can give you all of them if you want that was anathema that is considered a grotesque violation and it needs to be done away with and you talk about i mean this is like in the opening sequence you're hearing me talk about the french revolution this is the stuff that the montan yards did this is this is this is is what they did they took away rights and privileges and off with your head if you didn't like it exactly And I think, again, there are some things that can be done by law about this. We need to make sure that doctors are free to speak without censure or having their licenses revoked. And that has to be somehow putting into the legal.

My friend, we are a long way from that right now. We are really. It's, woof. 100%. And I also think there's one other thing, the power of the financial repercussion of using this kind of tools, and including on university medical center campuses, you realize that there's over 15

medical centers in the U.S. that get over $500 million each per year of taxpayer money to fund their research. Why is that not subject to revocation by, this is just NIH money? Where

is the teeth in saying if you do censorship, you're not using the basic fundamental part of science, therefore you're not capable, therefore you're not, you're disqualified from receiving taxpayer money. And I spoke about this before the new administration took over, and I have yet to see any of this stuff being enacted. And, you know, these things are not just in the general, specific, in the more specific sense to fix these specific areas. It's also to

restore the trust that has been lost because of the conflicts of interest. because of the, you know, in the career gathering of power by bureaucrats, because of the censorship at medical centers and medical schools and university campuses with impunity, with no accountability. Yeah. So I'm certain, our RFK Jr. was the first person to sort of alert me to what you're describing in more detail. And he's got to, I know he has this in his crosshairs, you know,

We'll see if he gets to it under what conditions he gets to it. But back to this issue of accountability. I guess some time is running. I don't know the details in this. I'm not sure if you're aware of it. But I think Rand Paul is sort of zeroing in on Dr. Fauci and his team. And the time is running out for him to do so. Are you where are the details of what's going on there?

Well, I'm aware and sort of follow what Senator Paul does and have been. speaking to him in the past about the questions to Fauci. But, you know, there's two things I want to say. Number one, it is factually undeniable that the NIH-funded gain of function research. Okay. Gain a function research by every credible person's definition is research is work that enhances the transmissibility or virulence. of a potential pathogen that is dangerous, more would be made more dangerous to humans.

That's just basic science, basic biology. That can't be denied. And it is also undeniable that there were research grants funded by the NIH to the Wuhan lab as well as to EcoHealth and University of North Carolina. This is undeniable. And Fauci testified under oath that the NIH has never funded gain of function research. And so that's a lie. I don't know how else to describe that. The numbers of the NIH grants were cited in the publications. I have a list of them.

I'm looking at them on my computer screen. There are at least four NIH grants that were funding gain of function research, including after the pause. The funding might have been done before the 2014 pause under the obnox. administration. But the Obama administration paused, although it was rescinded later in 2014, it was recommended that the ongoing research be stopped, and yet the research kept going. So, yes, it was funded by NIH, and yes, they didn't pause it when they should have because it was disallowed in the United States. So, you know, Rand Paul, he's right. Everything he's saying is

correct, 100% correct. Whether Fauci can be punished for lying under oath to Congress, I'm not sure. I'm not sure what he was pardoned for. He was given a pardon. You can't forget as the Biden administration came to a close for crimes that he supposedly didn't commit. So I'm not sure what the purpose of a pardon or legitimacy of a pardon is. I'm not a lawyer. you can ask the attorney who understands all the constitutional law at the next segment. But there's no question that Rand Paul's right. The question is, will there be punishment? I have my doubts.

Well, where has Jim Jordan been in all this, too? He was so pointed in his questioning that exposed some of the, frankly, distortions, at least, of that Fauci was apt to present to Congress. Is he secretly developing something? Is he involved to keep him busy? You know, I don't know.

I like what Jim Jordan was doing and there were others involved in the House of Representatives that exposed that what Fauci said was baseless on many occasions. As I had said many times, the stuff about the masks, the social

distancing, all the stuff that the lockdowns themselves, this was all known to be false and it didn't work. And it literally killed people in retrospect. So millions of people were killed by the lockdowns. People don't know that or don't want to hear it. But that's been documented. So I don't know what people are working on. I'm not, I'm really skeptical that, you know, I've been dismayed, frankly, that it seems like there's no punishment for lying under oath at a congressional hand. hearing. I'm not sure what kind of a country that is if there are laws that are not enforced like that. But I'm skeptical. I'm skeptical. It's back to the boiling the frog for me. It's like what kind of country is it has incredible fraud that has incredible misappropriations. It has the ability to

take away rights and privileges at whim that can these very phenomenon we're talking about can shut things down and harm people and sit and, you know, not have any post-mortem even. Like we need, somebody said at one point, I think it may have been you. We need a morbidity mortality, you know, conference, you know, some sort of some sort of reckoning for where we made bad mistakes. But that's what we do in hospitals. That's what we do. We do we're taking care of patients.

But, of course, you know, physicians have so little say in health care now. it's just gotten worse and worse and worse. That's part of it, but I have to make sure that people understand that doctors were one of the worst of the groups during the pandemic. Because doctors are trusted. Yes, as you know, we are both doctors. Okay, doctors can convince people of anything, basically. You have this, you've been given this granted, this position of incredible, almost blind trust by people.

And they expect that you know what the data is. They don't expect you to cave in the pressure from some edict from the CDC. They expect to be informed and they expect to be given the informed the option to consent to what they're doing. And these are very critical fundamentals of what people call medical freedom, but basically simply an ethical society. and doctors failed. I don't blame the system because you have to have personal accountability yourself. And there were plenty of doctors who just echoed the CDC recommendations. And they were neither knowledgeable nor forthcoming about the data.

Dr. Scott Atlas is with us. Check out the website. It is Scott Atlas.com. When we get back, if you wouldn't mind stick with me a few more minutes, I want to talk about the evidence of harm by the lockdowns. You've mentioned actual killing, actual death. But what I'm seeing is a generation that has been affected in uncanny ways. I would argue that the drop in the birth rate is probably one of the signs that we have done something horrific, psychologically, worldwide to an entire generation.

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Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew. Dr. Scott Atlas is still with us. And Dr. Atlas, I want to give you a chance to talk a little bit about the harms done. You know, I think as you said, the people that made these decisions arbitrarily, literally out of the ethers, made up six feet distancing, made up the idea of quarantine an entire population, largely hoodwinked by the Chinese who told them how well that worked. They fell for that amongst other things. But they hurt people. They harm people and are just unwilling to

look at that. What's the evidence? Sure. There are plenty of papers that showed that the lockdowns did not stop the spread and did not stop the death. But there's some numbers that people don't realize. There's a paper in PNAS, which is a very prominent journal by Ian Nides and colleagues that was published in 2023 that showed that the U.S. would have had 1.6 million fewer deaths if it did what Sweden did during the 2020 to 2023 period. So the three years of that period, 1.6 million, more people died in the United States than should have because of the lockdowns. Not because of the virus, because of the lockdowns. Second paper that's interesting is that Bianchi, in an economics journal in 2023,

showed that there will be another 800,000 to 1.2 million extra American deaths just from the economic lockdown over the next 15 years. So it's another roughly million Americans dead from the lockdowns, from the economic shutdown, not the virus. And we could go on and on and talk about how there was an explosion of psychological harms in our teenage population in college age students. Even in June of 2020, you may remember, one out of four college age students in the U.S. contemplated suicide. What we saw during 2020 alone, during the lockdowns compared to 2019, pre-lockdown in teenagers, was a massive explosion of psychiatric visits to doctors for depression for anxiety and obesity explosion, even compared to the obesity that existed from the isolation, not from the virus.

We saw increased self-harm visits to emergency rooms and to doctors of teens. teenagers, that's slashing your wrists or putting cigarettes out on your skin. You can't have isolation of human beings, particularly younger human beings who depend on their social networks and social engagement with no harm. And these, remember, were a population of people that were extremely low risk. There was a minuscule risk of any serious illness from COVID for healthy teenagers and college student age population. And so that's not even talking about the learning loss and everything else. And so I think we can extrapolate.

By the way, there's a comparison. And the comparison study, again, is Sweden where they didn't isolate, didn't shut down schools. There's no psychological harms in their young people. I mean, it's really quite striking, quite obvious. And yet no one knows the data. I just want to say, I was at an event last night in San Francisco. talking to people who are, quote, on my side, they didn't even know the data.

They still don't know the data. This is the point of censorship of demonization of opposing views. It's not just to shut somebody up. It's to stop people from hearing, from even being aware that the actual facts exist. And it's a very, very serious problem that we have. And it didn't go away because President Trump won. because I think we're naive if we think that this is all solved now. The conservative side won people who want free speech, one.

This is a, I'm very concerned. Yeah, I am so with you on that. And a couple other things occurred to me as you were talking. You know, the, I was aware of all the anxiety and depression and self-harm and stuff that came up during 2020. And I'm trying to figure out, I'm trying to connect. the dots to the drop in birth rate. And just SSRI prescribing and obesity might be sufficient to ascribe some of the data that we're seeing now where people are just not relating. And then throwing the GLP-1s to deal with the obesity, I don't know if you've seen this data

out there, but there's lots of stories of people losing their motivation to do anything, to have relations, to sort of go to work even sometimes. It can get severe. I'm not taking aim at the medicine. I'm just saying the excessive use might be having a little effect on all this. Well, you know, you have to remember where we are in civilization right now. It's just social media replacing personal interaction. You know, I think we're all aware of this. Everybody who has a brain is thinking about this. We who have kids are thinking about this. And you know, you mentioned the obesity thing. I just want to point out a statistic that is still shocking to me, which is during 2020, a lot of people got fat, okay?

A lot of people gained weight. It was hard not to. 52% of people in college age gained weight, and the average weight gain was 28 pounds in one year. Okay, this is a lot of weight and a lot of serious. And, you know, I think everybody knows, even though we were told for 15 years that we can't say somebody's fat, because that's very harmful.

And we have to pretend that this is the new beautiful, the new healthy. It was on the cover of Cosmo and all these magazines. Yet the reality is that being obese is very destructive to personal relationships to your own self-esteem. And I think you're right. There's much broader impact. I actually attribute a lot of our problems to COVID, to the lockdowns. I think we've had an increase in hostility toward our fellow citizens.

You know, the whole her fuffle, if you want to use the word about the vaccines. And, oh, it's a pandemic of the unvaccinated. And these people are dangerous who are refusing to take the vaccine. And we heard this over and over again. And of course, it was all false. It was also incorrect. But that isn't even the point. The point is it created a loss of civility.

And I'm very worried about that. And I think it all feeds into all kinds of things that are still unfolding, probably including a loss of family relationships, a loss of structure and the loss of traditional things like having children. There's a fear, by the way. Just one last point that there is a fear. I think we've become a society where every new virus, everything that comes out,

God, it's front page news. I live in San Francisco Bay Area. I live at Stanford. There are a lot of people walk around with masks outside. But not helmets when they ride their bikes. They mask outside, but no helmets when they ride their bikes. Brilliant. That's right. Yeah, I mean, I keep telling people that get anxious about this. Like, let me let me get you a textbook of infectious disease and see all the thousands of illnesses that are quite common in the human experience. And you can worry about those. Just sit and obsess about all the things that can happen to you. I mean, we have so many other things to worry about than the next virus. But it's funny when I hear you talking, all kinds of things occur to me. And it occurs to me that we are, we're now exchanging obesity for

cokexia with what GLP wants. So now we went from obese to caecactic, fantastic. What have we actually achieved? And then the other thing is, I started thinking, I wonder if we're, if we can't have any success, or maybe this is even a worse landmine, I'm suggesting. But if you can't get the government officials to take a good look at themselves, maybe the universities or certain colleges or a landscape where you can get people to kind of, because they were some of the worst perpetrators. They were the worst. They were the ones that perpetrated mild carditis on their students. They are the ones that led to the loneliness and the self-harm. They're the ones. They are the ones. There's no accountability for them.

And this brings me into something I'm frequently speaking on these days, which is the future of higher education and how to restore institutional trust and a moral and ethical use of our institutions like educating our youth. And I feel like we will not fix the people at the top in these universities. They're gone, they're lost, they're not even of the integrity to administer. they were wrong. What is the solution? The solution is spending time trying to mentor and empower younger people because there's a lot of great people who are young out there. We can't afford to let them suffer from a fear of being canceled, from fear of loss of job or being unemployable just because

they believe in freedom of speech. And so we need to, and that's, I'm doing this. I do this at Hoover institution, but I also do it in another nonprofit, the Global Liberty Institute, where we take people in young careers and we mentor them, we network them so that they're not, they know they're not alone, but we hook them up as, and we create liaisons with senior people who will help them accelerate their careers, because we need these young, bold, courageous people to be the next leaders in our society. I think that is a great place to stop, and it leaves me with some optimism, because as always, the young are the future, and if we can get them to make sense of what they've been through

and defend things like courage and freedom, I think you'll have done a great deal. I'm assuming you can click through on those initiatives at Scott Atlas.com. that's right and also you could search me at global liberty institute with my name or global dash liberty dot org uh we do events i just did one in washington dc uh with her meet dylan uh talking about courageous uh bold doing the right thing uh and you know one of the things she mentioned i just want to give her credit for this because i agree with it she said you can't care that people won't like you. You have to do the right thing. And this is all part of a deficit of courage in our society, a fear of what others will think. You must do the right thing. We were founded in this

250th anniversary as a society based on morals and ethical function in our universities. Thomas Jefferson, you can read all about it. And we need to go back to that because we can't have a country that we all want for our children that's in its current shape. Yeah, it's a perfect time to me to bring in Jonathan Turley, in fact. And it, again, is not giving government power, the government to a better job of policing our ethics. It is getting government out of our lives and policing ourselves and raising ethical people, moral people. That is the way we've always done it. Whenever, you know, the scariest words of all is and now we understand or this time it will be different.

These are horrible, horrible words. They always go bad. Thank you, Dr. Alice for being here. Appreciate it so much. Happy to be here. Thank you. You got it. Let me do a couple minutes your break very quickly before I bring in Jonathan Turley.

I do recommend the book. Maybe you can throw it up there, Caleb, the rage on the republic. He and I will talk about that amongst other things. But I want to do a minute here on Haunta virus. Stop it, everybody. Stop it. I just read a headline. Let me read it to you.

It was, oh, God. Oh, global race underway to trace passengers. Global race to get the viruses, to get the hunter virus. It isn't human to human transmitted. And if it ever is, there's a subspecy that is occasionally human to human. It's not something that can cause an epidemic. It looks very clear now. And the World Health Organization admitted exactly this,

that this was a naturalist group that was going out into the field in an environment where they were, they might have been ecology too. Sounds like they went to a landfill where there are rodents and there is rodent urine and feces. They stirred it up and seven people got sick. It's a terrible illness. Do not get me wrong. Antivirus is an awful illness.

It killed Gene Hackman's wife, if you remember. It's not something you want. You're not going to get it. It is exceedingly uncommon. Now, I remember, I learned my lesson from COVID not to be too hubristic about this. there are many things you should worry about, tuberculosis, rickettsial disease, myrine typhus. There are things out there that are spreading like crazy right now that are not as dangerous as Hanta virus, but things worthy of your concern. This is not one.

But just because it reminds people of the cruise ship that got quarantering during COVID, the press is running to report on it. They're making it sound way more significant than it is. In reality, this should have gone down without any news reporting. the infectious disease community should have been on top of it and dealing with it. And by the way, they should let these people go home and quarantine them at home, why they would do it on the ship? If they were actually worried about human-to-human transmission, why would they hold them in their rooms?

Why not tell them to go on the deck and spend the day there where you can't get these transmitted illnesses? But this is not transmitted that way nonetheless. It just isn't. It's fluid stirring up the urine, maybe there's some Arislawi stuff there. But please, everybody. And Susan, what's true? Get your emergency kit.

Your contagion kit. I can see you're leaning in. Dr.D.com slash TWC for the contagion kit could be useful perhaps with this particular illness. Having ready for your next vacation. We are going on a cruise ship. We are going to bring the contagion kit for that very reason. And the travel kit. That's one I designed for exactly.

Yeah, they probably have all the normal antibiotics and stuff on the cruise. But I don't think they have the Ivermectin or the Tamiflu or the. Again, I think I, in the name of. self-care and medical freedom and being prepared, have it yourself. Why would you worry about whether or not there's enough supply for the ship? Be that as it may. Stop at everybody. Laugh it.

Laugh your ass off at every news report that says, is this the next COVID? Is this the next? Just laugh your ass off at them. And anybody that's in a panic about it, point out some, I mean, I don't want to diminish people that are suffering because the news media is raining down on them. horror stories that they need and even know about. All right. Jonathan Turley joins me right after this. Hey, Dr. Drew here, and we are interested in health and longevity, and the longevity nutrient is Fatty 15, discovered amazingly by a veterinarian who was responsible for the Navy's fleet of dolphins.

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Did the drug company lie to the government or did the government just choose the lie to the public? New and here is very good. We're able to express ourselves. I don't see the profession doing anything to really build trust beside you. Happy to be on here. Thank you for having me. You and I see the world the same way. What is it like for you to be the most chiseled and best-looking man in media?

Giving us the information we need. Thank you for the truth. My pleasure. We are going to take your calls at 8333-D-R-D-R-A-W. And now I'm very excited to welcome back, Jonathan Turley. Let me give you some particulars where you can find Jonathan. In fact, Caleb, I don't know where, is Jonathan Turley on X, Jonathan, T-H-A-N-T-R-L-E-Y, the indispensable right, freedom speech in the age of rage, rage in the Republic now.

Reyes I'm Laquator, the thing seeks for itself, is his blog. I love it. I did find some of the, is there a website also? I guess it's the, just the blog. His website is jonathan-turley.org, not dot com. Okay, perfect. Jonathan Turley. that or Jonathan, welcome back. I appreciate you being here. Thank you very much.

So I enjoyed the book immensely. I really did. And I particularly was fascinated by Thomas Payne. I don't know if you're really going to get into this and we should tell people to read the book. But how he straddled the revolutions. You know, that's such an extraordinary, you know, all I always heard, but he wrote this great book and inspired people. And Benjamin Franklin liked him. And then he ended up on the streets of Paris in misery. That's about all I got. It's quite a bit more to that story, it turns out, as always. No, you're so right. And I became obsessed with Thomas Payne for about six years,

drove my kids crazy because he's an inexhaustibly interesting figure. You know, Thomas Painfield and everything he ever tried before he came to America. He was fired from every job he ever held. Every business he created ended up in bankruptcy. see, his marriages collapsed. And he appeared as a bio, basically a pile of human wreckage in front of the only person who saw something in him. And that was Benjamin Franklin in London. And he told this man that he was going to pay for him to go to America. And within two years, Thomas Payne would be called the penman of the American Revolution. And as you know, he would straddle to. revolutions. He and Lafayette both played a role in the American and French revolutions, but one became the longest and most successful democracy in history, and the other became the terror. And so this book looks at why the American Republic had this unique confluence of

personalities and ideas and people that they created this legacy. And we're going to need that. Because the second half of the book looks at this century and asks whether that republic can survive the 21st century, whether it can survive us. And a couple of the answers to that question that I've heard over the years was the one posed by Talkville, which is local practice of democracy. That we had this habit of democracy that really offered success. And then something that I heard President Trump say just the other day when he was giving a little speech. in front of Prince King Charles, which is, it's the British institutions. That's what got us through. It was kind of interesting.

What do you say? Well, we did rely on the English institutions, but we had a unique mix in this country. People don't realize how fascinated the world was with the American Revolution. We were the first Enlightenment Revolution, the first revolution based on the concept that our rights were given to us by God. not just the government, that they belong to us as human beings. And people around the world were fascinated that you have these people of nothing in common. No history, no religion, no contact with the land, no classes or calcified institutions. They just appeared in America and created the world's first Enlightenment revolution.

And there was, I quote this one Frenchman who wrote this wonderful book about the American report, public. And in the middle of the book, he asked, what then is this America? And it was an intriguing question to him and other people in Europe. Who are these people? And one of the questions I ask in the book is, can we answer that question today? Who we were and who we are now. Because if we can't, then this republic doesn't have much of a future. But if we can, we can thrive in this century. in a way that I think is not going to be the story of other governments like the EU, which I think is inherently unstable. We have that secret recipe, but we have to be able to answer that question.

Who then is this America? Yeah, we have to be able to be knowledgeable about what it is. And unfortunately, the majority, no idea what has gone on here. They don't read your books. They don't think about these things. an old professor of mine wrote a book called Mere Natural Law Hadley Arkeys, mere

mere natural law and that's what you're talking about that these these endowments from God and that has been under attack. I think that's why he was he had his tongue in his cheek when he entitled the book Mere Natural Law because it's not

merely a simple thing. It's a profound idea that we seem to be treating very casually. No, you're so right. And, you know, we recently had Senator Kane from Virginia attack a witness because he said he believed in natural rights that came from God. And he, and Kane said, you're no better than the Iranian mullahs. You're like a Islamic radical or extremist. That is the sort of crisis of faith that we're having today. I'm a bit of a dinosaur in teaching in that I do believe in

natural rights, but I'm one of the few. But the question is, if you don't, what Do you believe it? What is it that defines us? Law professors today are like priests that have lost their faith. They've kept their frocks. And I don't understand why we've had this movement, this crisis of faith. But there are now law professors and deans calling for the scrapping of the U.S. Constitution, the packing of the Supreme Court.

These are existential threats to this republic on our 250th anniversary. And citizens have to realize what's at stake because Benjamin Franklin was right when he said, is your republic to keep? That's why the title of this book is Rage and the Republic, the unfinished story of the American Revolution. It probably will never be finished because Franklin got it right. Every generation has to keep it, but they can't unless they remember why they created it in the first place.

You know, I amuse myself. I read a book called Albion Seed. I don't know if you've ever read that book. It's about the demographics of the emergence from the British Isles into this country. And when you read about the genetic cultural heritage of a large swath of the early settlers, it is remarkable. We're able to hold it together. And I always looked at it as, you know, some really nutty folks decided to get on a ship and come over here.

And then the really nutty ones got in wagons and came west. But there was something about these survivors, quite literally, that brought some extraordinary qualities with them. And the one thing they were willing to do was embrace these ideas. No, you're so right that the thing that binds us, the answer to what is this America, is that people came to this country in search of their own manifest destiny. Americans believe that they are their greatest creation. That's what Thomas Payne is so, why he's so intriguing. He came here and he discovered that what he had to offer the world was in his head all along.

It was Thomas Payne. And he recreated himself. And maybe it took genius to recognize genius. You know, when common sense came out, it was anonymous. And the wife of John Adams wrote him and said, people think you wrote it. And what's fascinating in this letter, is that John Hans became one of Payne's critics.

But Adam said, I could not have written that book. But I think I knew, I think I met the man who did. His name was Thomas Payne. And he had genius in his eyes. I think that's what Franklin saw, that pain was the righteous rage we needed. Yeah. And he wrote a lot.

I always thought it was just one pamphlet and all for you go back to France. But he wrote a lot of stuff, a lot of stuff. people were aware of his writings. It wasn't just common sense. That's right. And he was a wonderful writer. You know, he was courageous and principled, and he was obnoxious and reckless. He's, you know, I remember he was a great line of film noir that Robert Ryan delivered, where he turned to Joan Fontaine, the ultimate femme fatale, and said, you know, I love you so much, I only wish I liked you. And Thomas Payne is sort of like that. You love him. him so much, you only wish he liked him. He was hard to like. He was a genius in understanding

humanity, but he never really understood humans. And he was always unpopular. But he was a beautiful writer, and his voice penetrated this country. And he had some traction in France. It's just so odd to me that I study a lot of French material, and it's just odd to me the way they idealize the Jacobins and just sort of gloss over the montagnards and the rose beards terror like, oh, it was unfortunate. Anyway, you know, it's really just so, I feel like we look unblemished at our history and we judge it for its weaknesses. In France, they don't look at it.

They hide it behind a lot of niceties and judge it for its sort of mythology rather than its reality. That is so true. You know, I talk about what I call the rise of the new Jacobins in the United States, all of these people who are trafficking and rage and tearing down our institutions. But Payne saw it firsthand. He did not agree with James Madison on the precautions in our system, those elements that distinguished us from the French Revolution.

And he watched. And one of the writers said that revolutions are like Saturn. They devour their children. And Payne watched it devour the Jacobins. And he went, at one point he was alone in a house. He had gone there with seven of his friends from the Gherondon, who were the moderate Jacobins. And one by one, they were taken away, a knock on the door,

and another was taken, until he was alone. And finally the knock came for him. And Payne realized that you had to have a system like the American system that had these precautions that would keep a democracy from becoming what Benjamin Rush called a mobocracy. You tell a story in there that's hair-raising where they would put a shark mok on the wall for the guillotine and it faded or something.

Or maybe, who knows, maybe pain was in there with this spit, wiping it off. But for some reason they didn't see it, you know, and he was that close to the guillotine. It was. And in fact, what happened was that pain was always of ill health. And when he was taken away to the Luxembourg prison, they marked four on the door, which meant that all four inmates would be taken that night to be guillotined.

It was him and three Belgian prisoners. They tried to get him some air, and they convinced the turnkey to open the door. But when they did that, they put the chalk mark against the wall. Otherwise, Payne would have been killed that night. And Pain's life is a strange mix of these happenstances. that saved him. At one point, Payne went to become a pirate.

He was a corset maker in England. He was a pirate. Right? He was a manor. Yeah. And so, he was a, he was a privateer. He became a privateer. But the first ship he signed on with,

which was called the Terrible. And the captain was called, it was named Dr. I'm sorry, Captain Death. He signed on and his father took him off that ship. And it was a good thing. Because they ran right into a French privateer

that killed all but 17 on board. I mean, the stories like that with him were just mind-boggling. And it also reminds you of how, nefarious is not the right word, but how uncanny so many of the outcomes of that era were. So we have coming up here, you said there's existential threat of foot. It seems to me like the most bizarre amongst them is the attacks on the Supreme Court. What do we do with that?

What would that look like if they try? Wouldn't you have to have a constitutional amendment to change the number of justices or have they found some way around that too? Well, unfortunately, you do not need a constitutional amendment. The Supreme Court has grown or has been reduced over time. At one point, it has many as 10 justices and went down to as low as four. it used to be that we increased if we increased the number of circuits because justices would ride the circuit. The problem with what these people are suggesting is not some reform to expand the court over time.

That would be a legitimate debate to have if you think the court is too small. They're talking about court action. Insertion of a liberal majority. And it's now the talk of campaigns. You have Democratic politicians running. on this. You have people like Eric Holder saying, of course, we're going to do this, or suggesting

they have to. James Cole told Democratic candidates, don't run on this, just do it once you get into power. And I had a debate with a Harvard law professor who years ago gave a list of radical changes to our constitutional system

that he said would guarantee never lose power again. But then he ended by saying, but first we need control of the Supreme Court. And the point is obviously that those would not be viewed as constitutional. So there's a reason why you see all of these Democratic politicians and activists saying, let's pack the fundamentally change the system. And that court stands in the way. Caleb, I don't know if this is happening on our end, but Jonathan is breaking up a little bit.

It's okay. It's okay. I'm mine alone. It's not happening for everybody. One thing I'll wrap up with is the conversation I was just having with Scott Atlas about some of the remedies. This is a quick right turn, if you don't mind. The remedies to try to concern about the excesses of public health. They can, you know, they can, you know, they can. They can.

Fiat authority. they can take away our rights and privileges at whim, it seems like. And I don't know what the solution to that is. One of the things we were talking about was whether or not you can get universities to kind of come to terms of what their role was in isolating kids, causing psychiatric problems, exposing them to experimental vaccines that harmed them when they had no real risk from the illness. I guess there's sort of two questions,

backed into that. One is, can we do something about this wrinkle in our Constitution that gives public health all this authority that is frankly outlandish? I'll just ask that question first. Actually, that is

really tied in with the book. The book criticizes what I call functionalism. The definition of rights based on their function as opposed to being natural rights. It's a lot easier to get tradeoffs when you just view a right is something that is there to achieve something else. Like free speech is good for democracy,

so that's its function. Well, it's more than that. But if you say it's that, then you can say some things are bad speech and some things are good speech. In the health area, you have this sort of runaway functionalism. And the courts did a poor job, at least in delaying, coming down against some of these measures. And part of the problem is that academia has not reformed itself. Most universities have eliminated opposing voices. They've certainly eliminated Republicans and conservatives. Many departments don't have a single one. But they also eliminated contrarians and those with different viewpoints.

And if you look at the people that signed the Great Barrington Declaration, I spoke at University of Congo not that long ago, and a lot of them were in the front row. And I asked, how many of you have been invited back on your associations? You've been vindicated. Many of the things that you said turned out to be true. Not one of them was invited back from their universities or associations to be reinstated. Right.

Right. That right there is the concern, that there seems to be no willingness to look at the excesses, at the mistakes, and it just sets you up to do it all again. And then the pre-existing structure to give them this authority is in there. And I always remind people, Robs-Pierre's committee had a specific name. It was called the Committee for Public Safety, one way or another translator. That's sort of one of the translations. And so whenever I hear safety Ubrallis, or we're being safe, we're being safe,

or it's because there's an emergency, a health emergency, that is how this shit gets done. That is, I'm certain there are plenty of examples in other totalitarian, the evolution of totalitarian history. where safety and emergencies made a huge role in people relinquishing or losing their rights and privileges. That's right. What politicians have known for centuries is there are two ways to get up free people to give up their freedom. And that is make them very angry or very afraid. And that happens during pandemics. You get people to give up things that have spent decades to secure even centuries.

And with COVID, we saw how the media, academia, the government joined in really snuffing out these voices and isolating them and demonizing them over issues that now they accept these positions. You know, these are people who were canceled because they argued that those blue surgical masks really didn't offer much protection. Now the government has accepted that it really never did believe they had a lot of that. The six foot rule. Fauci said, well, really nobody supported the six foot rule, but that was the rule that shut down virtually every business in America. You know, these are people who said, you don't have to shut down all of these schools for young children. There were countries in Europe that didn't do that, and they didn't experience the huge costs we're experiencing now. But what's fascinating is that this was an utter disaster because we denied people the ability to speak. We demonized them. But the same people, the same institutions have remained unchanged. You're back. Okay. Are we back for real?

Is Jonathan still with me? There, yes. I am. Thank you for your patience. I'm still glitching like crazy at this. And I'm assuming it's going to blow up on us again. Do you remember what he was talking about? But I'll let you finish your thought and then we'll say goodbye if that's okay.

Oh, no. It was so good. He's here. Well, you know, I think that the point you raised is so important because the institutions and the people who marginalized and demonize these scientists are still there. They haven't changed. We experienced huge costs that other countries didn't experience because they didn't close all of their schools. They didn't close all their businesses. But that's the reason you're right.

This can return. This can be repeated. because there have not been serious reforms or accountability. Right. Or even just evaluation. I really just, I'm most concerned with the truth more than some sort of retribution. I just want us to look at this in an unvarnished fashion and, you know, not make the same mistakes again. That's the only way that happens.

But Jonathan, I appreciate it. I appreciate the book. And I'll let you go before everything crashes for me at this end. I thank you, Dr. Drew. you get to see it back soon. Let me have the next book, whatever it might be. I should read. His books are great.

They're really easy to read to, and they're just filled with really interesting material. I'm going to try to go to a call, Caleb, if you feel like we have sufficient bandwidth to do that. Are you up for that? Yeah, it seems like it's slowly improving. So you just look very blurry. So it'll be fine for the podcast.

I want to give, okay, I'll give Andy an opportunity to ask his question here. Andy, go ahead. Hey, Doc. How you doing? Good. Can you hear me? We hear you. Go right ahead. Oh, how you doing? I'm a big fan. I'm the only one that I know of family and friends that didn't get the COVID shot, and I never got COVID.

They lived away for all my life, and I think that was enough. Caleb, that glitched so much. I couldn't hear what Andy asked me. Can you rephrase it for me? Caleb? His line is glitching. I believe Andy, he's calling about the COVID. He had COVID vaccines in 2020. No, he's calling about them.

He didn't take the vaccine in 2020. And everybody he knows is having problems with it, even after they got the shot. Yeah. Yeah, I get it. And Andy, there's, I do hear you. Let me, and I think I can answer your question, which is the extent to which COVID is causing problem,

vaccine is coming problem. We're not doing the right research to figure that. out but there are people that are certainly seeing lots of vaccine injury lots of vaccine problems and of course there's lots of COVID problems too but you bring up the issue of not being infected now A you might have had just mild and you got over it without any consequence or B it might have been the case that you are you don't have the binding site on your nasal farings for the virus which a certain percentage of people do not so the virus can't get in and you might be one of those people I think the better part for me right now is to give up because the internet is going in and out and we don't really know because what my phone says and what the computer says over here is that we have lots of internet and yet we're having weird problems.

But I love today's show. I hope you liked it as much. Let me quickly go to the restream. While I do, there's the upcoming guest. They have Ruben in studio, Russell Brand in studio. So all the time returns. It just we have one great guest. after and I'm working on

Catherine Bergen. Maybe she'd be interested in joining us as well. Thank you for your re-stream comments. I'm looking at those and I'm looking at the Rumble Rance. I just completely dismiss political corruption of wealth disparity.

Nope, not a problem somehow. Crimson King, I don't know what... He's coming at me because I was in there. I was in there saying that the declining birth rate is a sign of the fall of a civilization. And he's like, he was just fighting with me on that. I'm like, no, it's above wealth disparity and

whoever's in politics at the time. People have babies when they're poor, when they're rich. Those are helping. Yeah, those aren't helping for sure. But this is a much higher signal of the decline of a civilization that we got to fix. Well, I'm just fascinated by Dr. Atlet's up about the possibility

of our response to COVID. I'm marked by through the SSRI prescribing, through the obesity, through the GLP ones, and then through the the lack of developmental milestones that people would normally go through. They're forbidden. They were prohibited from doing so. And it's making people despair.

It makes perfect sense to me that it would have an impact. How could it not? Okay. So that all said. I appreciate you all being here. We will be back next Tuesday at 2 o'clock. I think Dave Rubin is in on that particular show. It should be a lot of fun.

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