Ask Dr. Drew - Peter Navarro: Trump Advisor Got Shackles & Armed FBI Arrest, While Comey & Bolton Got Princess Treatment For Worse Alleged Crimes w/ Brad Thayer on CCP Economic Warfare – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 546

Episode Date: October 25, 2025

Peter Navarro, a senior advisor to President Trump, has little sympathy for James Comey and John Bolton after they were indicted for allegedly lying to Congress and mishandling classified information. While Navarro was arrested in public by armed FBI, Comey and Bolton are getting scheduled surrenders and luxury treatment. The Biden DOJ prosecuted Navarro in 2022, sending 5 armed FBI agents to arrest him in an airport, shackle his legs, and jail him for 4 months. Navarro says he became the “first ever top presidential aide in US history to be put in federal prison for defending the Constitution” and an example of lawfare being used against political enemies. Brad Thayer joins Navarro to discuss prison system corruption, tariffs, and the CCP’s brutal economic warfare with the USA. Peter Navarro, PhD served as Senior Counselor to President Trump for Trade and Manufacturing. He holds a Ph.D. in economics from Harvard University and is Professor Emeritus of Economics and Public Policy at UC–Irvine. Author of “I Went to Prison So You Won’t Have To” (2024) and “The New MAGA Deal” (2024). Follow at https://x.com/RealPNavarro⠀Brad Thayer is a founding member of the Committee on the Present Danger China and co-author of “Embracing Communist China: America’s Greatest Strategic Failure“. His work focuses on CCP subversion and U.S. national security. Follow at https://x.com/bradthayer 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

First up, Peter Navarro joins us to discuss his book. I went to prison so you won't have to. It's doing very well. I suggest you pick it up and read about his experiences, both in the indictment and in the process of being in prison and some of the extraordinary insights there. He's going to talk about all that today, as well as the new indictments against people like Comey and Bolton.

Then we have Brad Thayer in here. He's going to talk to us about the CCP, amongst other things rare earth minerals and perhaps they overplayed their hand with that and the processing of those rare earth minerals and how we catch up with china's ability to do so we have plenty of rare earth minerals here we just can't process them and by the same and we will also be discussing amongst other things the color revolutions and whether or not president she is in trouble or not or is that just wishful thinking here Navarro after this The substances are draconian and bizarre.

The psychopaths start this right. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin, ridiculous. Five-month, I'm a doctor for, say, where the hell you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people.

I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. But just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Lovelin all the time, educate adolescents, and to prevent and to treat. You have trouble, you can't stop, and you want to help stop it, I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say.

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I suggest you get at the usual places. Welcome, Peter Navarro. Thank you for being here. I can't thank you enough for having me on. The book, as you said, I went to prison so you won't have to. It's doing well. But the legacy media, they don't want this book out there. The New York Times once again stuck it to me. It should have been on the bestseller list, but like they do so often to books,

they don't want people to read, they kept it off the list. It's a great story about, first of all, my stand with respect to the constitutional separation of powers. The Democrats came down on me, wound up in prison, and then hijinks ensued. A little Kafka, little Joseph Heller, a little one flew over the cuckoo's nest. But the underlying story, Doc, is really about the weaponization of our justice system. by the Democrats, everybody I served with, everybody I served with in the White House. And I was there for four years,

all four years of the first term, Doc, paid a price, a heavy price. The minimum price was hundreds of thousands of dollars and millions of dollars of legal fees for getting subpoenas and being pursued. On the other end, both Steve Bannon and I wound up in prison. President Trump,

Besides spending hundreds of millions of dollars on legal fees, they almost put them in prison for 700 years. And people forget that now that Trump's in the White House and things. And then they turn around, they turn around the Democrats and appoint us us and say that we're weaponizing the government for taking a guy like Comey or Bolton who, freem of face a case, their felons, that we go after them. No. And one of the key messages, sir, of I went to prison, sir, you won't have to, is simply this. If we don't hold the Democrats accountable for what they did in terms of weaponizing the justice system, they're going to do it again. They may do it as early as 2026 if the House are represented as Falls, the Hakeem Jeffries and those merry band and lunatics. So I really thank

you, Doc, for having me on because I want to get, I went to get, I went to. to prison so you won't have to out to everybody I can. Well, let's talk about the weaponization for a minute because I don't like the idea that we're getting into a tit-for-tat kind of exchange. It almost needs to be something of a more mutually assured destruction. And it seems to me the only way to do that is to go after the key players in the weaponization. Yes. Amen. the fish rots from the head down is going for but if you go too high you know for sacred cows so to

speak it's the public is going to get kind of weird about it so are combe and bolton the proper topic the proper targets so let's talk about about comy bolton bolton to me is a separate issue he did bad things but let's talk about combe as as the head of the fish okay and there's there's just a one degree of separation between me and James Comey. And it goes something like this. The FBI agent who was the ringleader of my circus arrest at Reagan Airport for a misdemeanor, okay? There was no reason to take me and my fiancé down with five armed FBI. It's a guy named Walter Giodina.

Follow me here. This guy would orchestrate my arrest, put me in. in handcuffs, put me in leg arms. But if you go and look at what he did at the FBI, he goes back all the way to 2016. And over the course of eight years, this guy, Walter Giordana, who put me in handcuffs and leg arms, played a key role in every single opportunity to take Donald Trump down, prevent him from being elected, or taking him out of office. Okay? So, Giardina, follow me here.

Steele dossier, you know this, doc. This was the fruit of the whole poisonous Russia hoax tree. It was a fake dossier by Christopher Steele paid for by Hillary Clinton.

Guess what? Giardina was one of the FBI agents according to whistleblowers who vetted it and said, hey, that's legitimate when it wasn't. But that begat Crossfire Hurricane, that begat the Mueller report.

There was another operation. He was in, involved in Crimson River, which was open season on subpoenas and get grabbing phone records of people. He was also fast forward to the J6 and Arctic Frost. So when you ask me who we should be going over, going after, you start with Giordina and the FBI. But for years, I've been saying it's James Comey. It's Brennan. It's Clapper in the intelligence community. It's Rosenstein. at the FBI, it's shift on the Hill who lied repeatedly to Congress and threw out all sorts of false information

about the president. So there's some prime targets there, Dr. Drew, some prime targets. Those are the ones we should go after. And there's some judges involved here and some prosecutors. I think it's perfectly appropriate to go after Letitia James. I've called for that many times. Alvin Bragg in Manhattan.

We should go after him. Jack Smith, who was one of the key architects of the weaponization. I mean, he was like, you remember the old Soviet Union guy, show me the man I'll show you the crime? That was what Jack Smith did with Trump. So I understand you're uncomfortable. We're going after everybody. That's not what we should do.

But we damn well need to go after the people who weaponize the government. We're directly responsible. Merrick Garland, I would throw in there. And the lesson here is Old Testament, sir, I don't know which one of those new or old you are. I'm an Old Testament guy because I'm an economist. If you don't create the proper incentives, they'll do it again. In this case, you know, hold them accountable, put some of them in prison like they did me. I didn't commit a crime.

They did. They're just going to do it again. And you're talking about going for some of these guys at the top. And yet when they were indicted, there was no, while you were in 15 pounds of change, they got to either walk in the front door or the back door. How did that happen? So this is what kills me. It's like you look at all the legacy meeting, the CNN's, the MSNBC.

Even some people got in the middle there, they, oh, they wringing their hands over John Bolton or James Comey or whatever. It's like none of them, not a single person. on CNN or MSNBC morning show. Those people, none of them said, oh, Navarro, they didn't have to take him down. It was just a misdemeanor. They didn't have to put him in handcuffs. They didn't have to put him in leg irons.

I mean, the first chapter, if you read nothing else in I went to prison, so you won't have to read the first chapter. It's a blow-by-blow of this craziness. And then these guys get indicted, and the normal thing to do is what they call self-surrender. Okay? Somebody calls you up and say, you've been indicted, report to the court this morning or tomorrow morning, and you do it, not a flight risk.

So how does that, I mean, to me, every time that kind of thing happens, it focuses a harsh light on really what the Democrats did to me and Bannon and Trump. And by the way, I mean, look, Jeff Clark, John Eastman, they're trying to take their bar cards. It bankrupted Rudy Giuliani. It's like everybody I know has been affected by that. I mean, I said, here, I'm like, why am I back in the White House? It's not rational in a way because you become a target. You know, it's like you're facing a future if the Democrats get back into power where they'll just go after you again for nothing.

So this is what's going on. This is what's got to stop. And again, I went to prison so you won't have to. It was really a tale about Old Testament accountability as well as a really good story about what it's like to go to prison if you want to know. John Bolton, I think, might have ordered this recently. I can't confirm it. I can't deny it either.

You've shared with me some of your observations of prison life last time I talked to. I want to hear more about that. But first, a couple other questions. Who do you think is funding all this? Is there, that's what I'm going to talk to Mr. Thayer about is, go ahead. This is really interesting because, again, I told you, Walter Gerdina, this is the FBI agent, put me in handcuffs, put me in leg items, did the circus arrest? Well, if you look at all the whistleblower documents that Senator Chuck Grassley is releasing now from the FBI,

and he's doing a hell of a job, hell of a job. I told you about Arctic Frost and Giordinas. Well, it turns out that the Soros folks are implicated, the father and the son. And look, there's no question in my mind that Soros and his son both need to be investigated. They were already implicated in the Steele dossier Russia hoax thing. I don't know if you read any of the whistleblower documents on it. There's no question some of these left billionaires with Soros being one of them, or bankroom. That's that whole something blue.

There was a whole operation called something blue. The next guest will probably know exactly the title of it. But that was a big scam where they're funneling money in during the presidential and congressional elections, laundering that money. Some of it certainly came from offshore. and you know money money can buy elections at the margin sometimes so i think mr soros needs to needs to be looked at i'm not i'm not saying putting anybody in prison what i'm saying is where there's smoke let's investigate to see if there's fire if there's fire then do what they

did to me put them in prison i i just want to emphasize here though i did nothing wrong up until the point of Joe Biden taking the White House, every senior White House advisor had a duty, a duty to refuse a congressional subpoena as a way of honoring what's called executive privilege. And I went to prison so you won't have to is partly a tale about that, about why it's important to have, as the Supreme Court has said, Dr. Drew, candor and confidentiality in presidential decision-making. You can't have that if Congress can subpoena everything from the White House and put it out there. It just doesn't lead to good presidential decision-making. So look, I was standing up for a constitutional principle. I did

nothing wrong based on everything I knew leading up to that point in time, and I wound up in prison. On the other hand, Comey, I mean, it looks like he lied. to Congress. That's a felony. And by the way, you know, I was in jail with people for doing stuff that, for example, Letitia James is accused of bank fraud. They're there for like 10 years. They had their houses taken away, their business taken away. They're paying restitution. What is it like if, if like ordinary people are sitting in prison scratching their head going, how do those folks get away with it when I can't? And I didn't. So a lot to unpack there, sir. so let's let's i want to try a little thought experiment let's try to be as as charitable as possible

and as empathic as possible and imagine we're combe or one of these guys or any of the guys you mentioned in the higher echelons or even this uh the guy that that did the whole circus take down for you what what are they thinking you know what do they imagine they're doing what what how do they get up in the morning and justify, are they just taking orders from somebody? Do they really believe that some evil force has taken over the Oval Office? Are they generally psychopathic and just sort of flexing muscle and wanting their power back? What do you imagine, again, being as charitable as possible? Okay, so I think one of the problems with Comey starts with the FBI culture itself,

going back to J. Edgar's days. I mean, it's well known that J. Edgar Hoover spent a lot of time spying on people in power, on the Hill, in the White House as a way of maintaining his own power. So there was a culture of permissiveness within the FBI to use the power, an absolute power corrupts absolutely. So there is that. And that's how a guy named Walter G.O.D., The guy who put me in handcuffs and leg arms, maybe did what he did.

So there's that. But the other thing here, I think that since 2016, I mean, let's be honest, this is an ends justify the means world that is propelled by Trump derangement syndrome. I mean, something happened in 2016 that we hadn't seen, I won't say ever in our political system, but for a long time, okay? And this is that. Where have we seen it before? Um, well, if you go back to like Lincoln's days and things like that, I mean, there was,

there was an enormous amount of hatred for Lincoln because of that issue. And you could go back earlier. And you, I mean, Marian politics, different periods of its history, you know, the, the bloody Kansas kind of, I mean, there was a lot of things going on. I mean, like, didn't Aaron Burr shoots. So my point is, though, that we went through decades where we thought we were civilized, Trump comes along, and he's a disruptive force, and it's the legacy media, which is owned by a power structure, which didn't want to see secure borders, which didn't want to see our jobs come back to America because they make too much money on it, we're able to fuel the media a frenzy and people themselves have been stirred up and that they hate they hate Donald Trump.

I mean, the man for four years while I was in the White House, 93% of the stories that appeared in the press were negative against him. So it's like it becomes like the man's like in the mind of too many people. He's he's a threat. And so whatever it takes to get him out of there. So the Democrats leading into the 2020 election, I mean, they broke every friggin rule, changed every rule and did everything they could to get them out of there. So I think that's charitably, it's an end-justify the means mindset that's driven by hatred for Donald Trump. And the irony, of course, is, hey, four years of Donald Trump, we had no inflation, we had solid. growth. We had rising real wages for blue collar Americans. We had peace around the world for the first time in years. And I mean, the man is good for America, but folks ain't seeing

that. So Comey does his little shell thing, what's 80s, 187, 47. You know, it's like, so that's about as charitable as I can get. It's a bad mindset. We've got to get back to first principles here. Yeah, which is, you know, you're elected to, well, anyway, the key, there's, the first principles indeed. Serve the people. The law has to be. By the old testament. Yeah.

You know, first do no harm. That's always been a reason. It's a politician. First do no harm. Listen, I was saying for a long time, the golden rule went somewhere. The golden rule got eroded for a while, but here we are. But let's talk economics for a second. You're an economist.

What about tariffs and what about sort of economic warfare with China? I'm going to be speaking about that in a minute. I saw a video where Trump was saying there's more money coming in. We're a prosperous nation now. As usual, is a lot of hyperbole in his rhetoric, but I'm wondering what's really going on with tariffs and with China, from your perspective. Well, I'm not sure there's a lot of hyperbole when it comes to talking out of money that's coming in, Dr. Drew.

I mean, it's an astonishing amount of money that we're going to raise over the next 10 years. if we get a favorable decision from the Supreme Court. And the tariff money that's coming in, it's kind of a back-to-the-future kind of thing. Before 1913, we basically funded our government. There was no income tax. We funded it primarily on tariff revenues, and the tariffs had the purpose

of defending our defense industrial base and manufacturing base from unfair foreign competition. So we grew to be a very strong nation. that ran budget surpluses and had a very sound fiscal position. And so the underlying principle here, Dr. Drew, is very simple. We live in a world governed by the World Trade Organization rules. Those are the rules which all nations of the world trade within. The problem with the WTO rules, by definition,

they allow every other country in the world to charge this. charge this country, America, significantly higher tariffs and have higher what we call non-terror barriers. And so over time, particularly once China joined the World Trade Organization in 2001, we saw a mass migration offshore of our industrial capacity, which had the effect of how we now our factory towns, much in the Midwest. And in the process, shipping off what is now $18 trillion, of our wealth to foreign lands via the trade deficit we were. The president said, no mass, no more, ain't going to happen. And the centerpiece of our trade policy is just fairness.

And the beauty of this time around, I mean, in 45 for four years, we had to fight tooth and nail everybody to get the trade policies in. Now there's been a sea change. People understand, despite where the media continues to keep saying, Terrorists don't cause inflation. That terrorists raise funds. They're like a tax cut because they allow us to lower taxes. They allow us to bring our interest rates down because we don't have to fund as much.

We got $19 trillion of investment pledged. That's not hyperbole either. It's pledged. So, you know, we're in a very good place. And we've got trade deals now with, I don't know, 80% of the rest of the world so far. have imagined that Donald Trump could pull that off, but he has. So I think we're in a really good place. And let's see what happens as the boss heads out to Asia. We talk with some leaders there. I expect we'll sign a few more trade deals out there. We signed a big deal

on rare earth today with Australia. Peter, you know, I've heard before Trump's administration, probably for the last six or seven years, maybe even longer, I've heard when people start talking about the excesses of income tax and the budgetary, you know, ridiculousness, the idea of a VAT tax is always tossed around by somebody. And when I look at these tariffs and people talk about, oh, the consumer or the consumer, the consumer is getting crushed. To me, it kind of looks like a VAT tax.

That consumers, if they are paying a little more, it goes right to the government. Isn't it kind of a covert VAT tax in a weird kind of way? No, full stop no, hard no on that. Here's the way you think about it. There's something we call it, just for your viewers, in my background, I'm a macro economist with a subspecialty. It was called Public Finance. Got my degree at Harvard, taught this stuff for 25 years.

This is my wheelhouse. It's part of the reason why I'm here. But there's something called tax incidence analysis that we use as a tool. And generally, when you analyze what a tax does, you've only got two parties. Is it going to be businesses that are you going to bear the burden of a tax, or is it going to be consumers? It depends on the elasticity, the man. Individuals. Okay.

So now, if you use that kind of framework, the incidence analysis, to go to tariff incidence analysis, you've actually got three parties to the transaction, right? You've got consumers here. You've got businesses here. But you've also got the foreign exporters that send their stuff here. Okay? And the reality is the countries we have these massive trade.

deficits with by definition need our markets for them to grow and prosper so when we level the playing field when we make trade more fair with them they have no choice no choice but to absorb the burden of the tariffs themselves so they bear the burden that's why that's why in the first term as CNN and MSMC were continually saying it's a tax it's a going to cause inflation, this and the other? It didn't happen. It didn't happen. It doesn't show up in the data.

It's not showing up in the data now. So that's kind of the underlying macroeconomics of this that people need to understand. But it's not something you're going to hear from many people other than me on the Dr. Drew show because they don't want you to hear that. I'll be honest with you. Well, I think about the possibility of that happening. I don't get worried about it. I mean, I, I'm paying.

There's in you there, sir. I don't know if people can, there we are. Yeah, we go. But, you know, but I just make sure I'm hearing you. What you're saying is consumers aren't seeing it anyway. So however we, I rationalize what this thing is, consumers just aren't seeing it because the other countries are absorbing the price. Exactly. And to be clear, we're seeing inflation now when we came into office in January, there was a lot of inflation. There's still some inflation that we're dealing with. The question about it. But it's not from the tariffs. It's from the fact that we had tremendous fiscal irresponsibility. Congress, mostly Democrats, but with a little help from some Republicans at inopportune times. And when you spend that much money chasing too few goods, you get what's called demand potent inflation.

Plus, the Biden administration didn't do what's my job to do at the White House, which is take care of vulnerabilities and resilience in our supply chains. And that created supply chain shocks. So, you know, these are some of the things I could think about when I was in prison. You know, one of the funny things, when the sin and I went to prison. and so you won't have there. There's a little post, and it's my diary. There's 120 posts, like my 120 to one day is in prison.

It's like when you go and look at what's on TV, right, it was funny. It's like in the early morning, right, from six to like eight before everybody else woke up, the white-collar crime guys, who are the finance types, we're always in watching like CNBC or Fox business to try to kind of figure out what was going on in the economy. And then the rest of the time, I, you know, I asked you to take a guest, but you never get it. What was the favorite show in prison for inmates to watch? It was hilarious. Hold on.

Family feud. Well. Family feud. Imagine that. Yeah. It makes some sense. Yeah. Well, I'm really actually interested in this stuff.

And when I see the market continuing to kind of climb up, it constantly looks to me like these trillions of dollars that were flooded into the system. I mean, people always want, you know, restitution and, you know, they want all this, you know, universal basic income and money to people that are under-provided for. And we did it. We did it during COVID. A million trillions of dollars. And all it served to do was just inflate everything.

My, my, it feels to me like, and again, please, I'm no economist. So please feel free to take me down on this one. But it just feels to me like we're in a situation we've never been in before in this country anyway with this very complex, robust business environment and economies that we have in this country where there is so much money that it's starting to circulate through. It reminds me of I know it's not the same thing. And this story I'm about to tell may also be apocryphal, which is Mensa Musa. was that his name, the king of Mali, who went around and through the southern part of Europe

and gave just incredible amounts of gold to everywhere he went. And as he left each of these city, states, and countries, he crashed their economies because there was so much gold and so much money. He had to go back through everywhere he'd been and buy the gold back in order to support those economies. So let me give you my kind of macro view. And again, I have the experience. of what happened in the first term.

I was on the campaign in 2016, and we had a very simple mantra in Trump land. It's like we were going to be able to grow faster without inflation by cutting taxes, by reducing the regulatory burden, by drill baby drill, by lowering energy prices, and through fair trade.

And if you look at all four of those things, all four of those drivers of GDP growth, are capable of driving growth without causing inflation. And so I remember very clearly the morning after the election in 2016, I went on CNBC squawk box and the futures were dead red down. The world was in chaos. Everything was going to like just go crazy because Trump's coming in. And I walked everybody through at the time that, look, this is going to be great.

It's going to stimulate growth without inflation, and life's going to be good. I predicted at that point, $25,000 on the Dow, which was a pretty big reach. But people got it. The futures turned around, and we wound up actually hitting $25,000 on the Dow in less than two years. It was like, boom. Fast forward to just April 6th, okay? That's when President Trump put in the reciprocal tariffs. And we had the markets like going down, crashing, they went, the Dow went to 37,000, right?

And they go, no, no, no, no, chill, relax. Everything's cool. We got this. It's like, we're going to cut taxes. That's good for the economy. We're going to get oil down from $75 to $60 a barrel. That's good. We're going to dramatically slash regulations again, which Biden put up.

And by the way, this fair trade thing, that's going to work out really well to help us pay down our debt and increase investment in this country. And at that time, I said 50,000 on the Dow. This was when it was dead red down 37,000. And that would turn out to be the day at the market bottom this year. And, you know, we're almost at 47,000. We might have breached it today. But, Doc, the reason why people, why the markets are going up, it's not because there's a bunch of money out there

and it's just driving stocks up. It's because there's a lot of investment going on. And investment increases productivity, productivity increases profits. And don't forget this AI thing going on, which is a tremendous boost to productivity. And there's also more peace in the world. So these are the kinds of things that bull markets are made of.

It's not a shimmer. it's real and it's good for America it's good for people so be careful but be a little more confident sir I hope I hope so it's good good for people is a nice nice refrain to hear can you stand other 10 minutes or so I just got a couple more questions that I need to take a quick break here and I quickly looked up Mansa Musa M-A-M-S-A-M-U-S-A from Mali it turned out he crashed the economies in Egypt I got it wrong. He wasn't touring across Europe. He was touring across

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He's been watching a lot of Dr. Drew lately. And back with Peter Navarro. He's here because of this book. He went to prison, so you won't have to, is the name of the book. I went to prison, so you won't have to. Interestingly, a quote from Alan Dershowitz on the back. Navarro's case is about executive privilege and separation of powers. No senior advisor should ever go to prison for honoring these principles.

This sets a dangerous precedent. Peter, welcome back. Real P. Navarro on X. Peternavaro.substack.com. And you mentioned AI before the break. And you sounded optimistic about it. I want to just get your sort of take on it because there's varying degrees of pessimism and optimism.

It just feels to me, there's never been, in my estimation, a technological advance, particularly leaps forward, like, say, the printing press, that didn't have net positive value. It just took sometimes some conflicts and sometimes some working through to get to the point where the value was fully appreciated.

Look, I'm clear out about AI. It's going to be an interesting journey and I think there could be a lot of bumps in the road. When you have the kind of stuff I worried about when China came into the World Trade Organization, that was primarily a shock. The China shock was primarily a blue collar work with your hands factory type shock. And it was met with great indifference by the white collar world. Interestingly enough, in the age of AI, it's going to be people who,

know how to work with their hands who can make stuff and do stuff that are going to be relatively more insulated from AI job shocks. So there's going to be this interplay over time between people getting laid off, likely in significant numbers. At the same time, the AI itself will enhance productivity of those who have jobs. and create opportunities for new types of jobs that leverage AI. I don't know how it's going to net out, watching it carefully, but at the present time, it's a strong net positive,

at least for things like the stock market in the corporate world. But again, the biggest concern I think all of us should have about AI is its military implications. I mean, you can imagine a world of just drone warfare choreographed by AI bots. And if you look at what's going on between Russia and Ukraine, I don't think you could have predicted Ukraine being able to hold up as well as it has. And that's simply a drone world. That was the great asymmetric weapons, we call it, in my trade.

So I don't know. It's going to be an interesting journey. But for now, it's helping to propel some wealth in the stock market. Yeah, I go to AI at least once an hour, and it is, in my experience, it's a time saver as much as anything. I mean, I used to have to go to this thing called the... Which one do you like? Which one do I use? I know I use Grock.

I use Grock. I just, you know, I'm a fan of Elon. I read his biography. I'm like, oh my God, this guy's fascinating. He pitched it. I went, okay, I'll use Grock, and that's that. It does the job for me. And I used to have to go to this thing called the Index Medicus.

We'd have to look up the topics, sign up the articles, go to the journals, copy the articles. It would take hours. And then before AI, when you could do Google searches, you still have to look up the articles, read them. Now you can ask AI questions and then go to the articles, which is if you need to even. But it's interesting.

It's interesting to me. But my last question, it's not really, I guess it's a question, but it's a construct I want you to comment on, which is my friend Adam Carolla, who I've done work, you know, various projects with over the years, was talking about his perspective on Trump's assets as a builder. He said, this man's a builder.

And he wants to get things done. He wants it to get done now. He wants it done fast, under budget. And in order to do so as a builder, you've got to have the right subs, subcontractors. And if your subcontractor doesn't perform him, you fire him. And it seems to me that's kind of the way

the White House runs. To me, that's appealing to me, right? That he, you know, is a working, has good sense of who he should be allocating responsibilities to? How do you delegate this to your subs, so to speak, and how to assess those subs? Are they performing at a level you need? And are they coming in, quote, under budget and proper time and whatnot?

A, is that a reasonable assessment of how President Trump manages? And if so, are there liabilities in that? No, I don't see any downside to it. I would note that the churn, as it were, this time around, is relatively small. If you look at back in 45, when we came in, there was kind of a bargain the president had to make with the rhino establishment,

basically in order to govern well because it was going to be difficult on the hill and this and the other thing, or so he thought. And that gave us an initial wave of cabinet people who simply didn't support our agenda. I remember a cabinet meeting that was late in 2017, I think it was. And we had every cabinet secretary sitting around in the Roosevelt room. I was there.

We had Gary Cohn, who was the National Economic Council director. And the boss goes around. And he's very, very aggrieved because we had moved on his tariff, Jen. He goes around and asks every cabinet member whether he supported his tariffs. And everyone said, no, I was literally the only guy in the room. We said, yeah, we got to get moving. Let's get steel and aluminum going. Let's do this.

Let's go China. And when he was seeing all his nose, his eyes went up, and it was like an epiphany. It's like, whoa. and he realized at the time that there were some bad choices there and that he was going to have to do this stuff by himself. I can tell you this, this time around, he learned from that. And we've got great people. I mean, if you go, Scotty Besson at Treasury, like A number one,

Howard Ludnik at Commerce, Jameson Greer, U.S.T.R. These are the guys who are on the trade team along with me and Kevin Hassett. We're all experienced. We know the drill. But most importantly, we're all aligned with the Trump agenda so that any disagreements we have are not about the Trump agenda itself. It's about what might be the best way tactically to go about getting it. And so, you know, the boss hires well. He learned from that first time around, and we're just getting stuff done.

I mean, we're getting more done, Dr. Drew. fact check me on this, then presidents do in like two terms. And he's done that within eight or nine or ten months, completely restructured the international trade environment in ways which are going to help us balance our budget, make mortgage rates lower, create a boom in investment. He's done that. He's brought peace in very, very places of the world. He passed a big, beautiful tax bill, is really a tax cut bill, which he's going to provide

tremendous benefits to middle class in blue-collar Americans. And every day, it's something new. I mean, who can stay, who can keep up with it? I mean, it's like virtually impossible. But, I mean, look, trust in Trump. I think people should be feeling pretty darn good right now about what this president, that he's doing. And it's clear he's doing it for the American people.

He's not owned by anybody. You know, speaking of just to follow on really quickly on your comments about the trades being a way of insulating yourself against some of the shock of AI, your alma mater at Harvard is on the line to access their federal funds. They're going to have to put something like $50 million into a trade school of this will be the Harvard model mechanic school. Harvard plumbing school. And you can miss some of these details if you're not watching carefully.

I thought, oh, that is a, we got to keep going that direction. The trade's really got to be supported. And again, that's him as a builder, I think, recognizing the benefit of these things. Peter, I do appreciate you being here so much. But more importantly, I appreciate you going to prison so I don't have to. Here's the book. I suggest you get it, learn more about it. And do you discuss, I haven't read the book yet.

Do you discuss some of your economic policies in here as well? Interestingly enough, when I'm in prison, I actually stumble upon a $5 billion scandal involving a failure to enforce several pieces of prison reform legislation. And I apply my micro skills to solving that at $5 billion, Dr. Drew, okay? $5 billion in a whole lot of misery. And interestingly enough, I organized a whole whole time. team there and we did the analyses. And when I got out, I'm actually working with the new Bureau of Prisons Director, Bill Marshall and his team. And we've solved that problem. I mean,

it's going to take a while for the solutions to take hold. But I went in there. I wouldn't want to do it again. But the one good thing that's come out of that is actually saved this country $5 billion in people, a lot of human misery. It's all in the book. That's kind of part of the fascinating tale. So we need a subtitle. One little anecdote like the first couple of days

I'm there, I'm out in the yard and these three Puerto Rican gentlemen surround me and I'm thinking what could go wrong here and we're talking

in this and the other day one of the guys says I like you and I say why because you didn't snitch on President Trump okay so I'm thinking to myself

the fine moral equivalence between standing up for the constitutional separation of powers on the one hand and going to prison and not stenching on your fellows in your criminal enterprise. But as I said in the book, I'll take what I can get if it helped me be a little safer

in what was a very dangerous place. So be it. I went to prison so you aren't a half of. Peter Navarar.com, you can go to that too. That's a gateway. Help me get this thing up on Amazon so we can force that damn New York Times I finally put this up as a bestseller.

And I look forward to hearing from Brad Thayer next because I'm a big fan of his doctor. And the, what is it? What's the famous phrase sort of even a band of rogues has moral code, the moral code. And it's usually the same moral code is in a different context. I think it's what you're looking for.

Yes. Yes, that's what I'm looking for. But again, I think you need a subtitle. Subtitle in your book. I went to prison so you won't have to. and I save $5 billion for the federal government while I was sitting around. That would have been a better stuff, Tom.

That would totally be more copies. John, it's a pleasure talking to you. Anytime you want to do it, just give me a holler. Thank you, my friend. Cheers. Thank you so much. Fearnavorrow.com is where you should go. Brad Thayer is the next guest. And as he said, Peter Navarro is interested in hearing what he has to say.

Brad, you can find him at Brad Thayer on X. Present DangerChina.org and CPD China on X. His book is Embracing Communist China, America's greatest strategic failure. Brad, welcome back. Good to see you. So,

let's get you up here. Yeah, Dr. Drew, a pleasure to join you again. So I had mentioned to you, we got a lot to talk about, but I was, first of all, interested in the issue, the economic warfare with China, and the issue of the trace elements, the rare earth minerals and the processing of those my understanding is now because they kept

hearing we have tons of lithium we have tons of manganese we have tons of and i started thinking well we've got it all here it's all done turns out we can't process it so what what is the state of the rare earth mineral divide and the warfare economically with china well you're exactly right the processing of it is of the rare earth is absolutely critical rare earths are essential for many defense industries for communication industries petroleum industry as well and even in automobiles and catalytic converters for example so the problem is a problem that jim finel and i address in our book embracing communist china america's greatest strategic failure and that peter navarro of course just mentioned and that peter has worked for so long and that was that we outsourced

our our industry our manufacturing including processing of rare earths, where we closed our last facility in 2012. The Chinese bought it, a factory in Ohio, disassembled it, of course, and sent it to China. The Chinese, the People's Republic of China, recognized that this was a key vulnerability for the West, the United States in particular, and if they could monopolize it, as they have, not mining necessarily, but the processing again, they had a chokehold. We were in a chokehold, and they've got us. So the Trump administration is doing everything it can to reverse that.

Your audience may know that President Trump met with Australian Prime Minister Albanyes yesterday in the White House, where they signed an $8.5 billion deal. A key part of that was to advance rare earth processing and cooperation in rare earth between Australia and the United States so that we can get this problem. solved. It's still an issue, and the Chinese dictator, Xi Jinping, is not shy about using this weapon, this economic weapon against us, as he's been doing. So we're in a period of difficulty where he's going to cut us off from those rare earths, and we're going to have to find alternatives or have a little bit of delays. But once that's over, we're going to be able to process

us these ourselves. So rare earth, in a nutshell, Dr. Drew, captures a key problem, which is a general problem. By outsourcing our manufacturing to China, we created a huge vulnerability for the United States, and we're just beginning to identify and address those problems. You know, of course, pharmaceuticals, where active pharmaceutical ingredients are produced in China. And that's another huge vulnerability we're going to be facing as we move into flu season, of course, and maybe a new variant of COVID or something else. The fact that they've got us on active pharmaceutical ingredients is a huge problem, too. So I'm already hearing about shortages

in certain parts of the world from routine medication, frankly. So, and, well, there's a lot here. So I'm going to try to do this piece by piece. I heard you say, I think, that we are just stuck and there's going to be a rare earth mineral deficiency shortfall for a while. How long and what do you imagine the consequences of that going to be? Well, if you heard President Trump yesterday, and you had to listen very closely to what he said, there's a period of months, maybe as much as a year,

where there's going to be some difficulty. in some industries with respect to this. So you just had Peter Navarro on an economist, and what do economists always tell you, right, if there's a shortage, increase price, find alternatives, right? Economists always go through their lists of you're looking for alternatives for that. We're robust and we're resilient, and I'm sure we'll find workarounds for much of this,

but we do have a problem in this area and it shows the hostility of the Chinese Communist Party against us, right? They're waging economic war against us today. Right now, on this issue, shows if you will, the intensity of that confidence.

They're not shy about employing this weapon against us, and that means, you know, we've got to do our level best to solve this problem and others so that we're not dependent on them at all for anything that we need. And I know

there's been a lot of chatter about chips, in Taiwan, and I had heard that we sort of got on that and solved that. Is that true? Well, we still have a problem, and that is that most of the world's chip production is made in Taiwan still. The Taiwanese are working with the United States, of course, in other countries to ensure you may have heard about the facility, the new plant in Arizona, for example. So Taiwan is, we're trying to broaden the supply base, of course. And that's a very important step. But Taiwan remains very significant for the United States

because it is still the world's chip producer, in essence. Most of the world's chips are made there. So what happens in Taiwan matters for the U.S. economy. And goodness knows, Dr. Drew, if we had a problem there and those facilities were destroyed, we'd be talking about very serious setbacks for the world economy, of course. And then you have the Chinese Communist Party engaging in war games right off the coast of Taiwan. Is that meant to tighten the squeeze on this very issue?

So they have as a bargaining position? Or what are they up to, you imagine? Well, I believe that the People's Republic of China is determined to conquer Taiwan. And so what they're doing is escalating, a gradual escalation. where they attempt to get the Taiwanese used to violations of their airspace and sea space, of cutting undersea cables, for example, of elements of coercion against Taiwan that are ratcheting up in preparation for an attack against Taiwan, which we certainly have called attention to and have warned about. You may recall that there was an Air Force General, General Minahan,

who warned a commander of air mobility of the command at the time in 2025 who warned of great danger of, excuse me, in 2023, he warned that by 2025, the PRC would be in a position really to move against Taiwan. And you've had a series of warnings that underscore Xi Jinping's intent to conquer Taiwan. So lots going on in China today. with their meetings, with the fourth plenary that they're having. But one thing that is particularly important to watch is what they say about Taiwan at that plenary. But we should expect, again, coercive measures against Taiwan are increasing and are likely to continue to increase.

And that's a big problem for the U.S. and other countries. As it pertains to that plenary session, is Xi Jinping in trouble there? Is there going to be a shake-up of some type, one way or the other? What do you imagine? Well, I believe that Xi Jinping is firmly in control of the Chinese Communist Party and that the actions that he's taken, for example, in the Central Military Commission and in the party broadly, are efforts

demonstrating his control, his power over the Chinese Communist Party. Xi Jinping faces many problems. First, his health, which is always

an issue. He's rumored to have serious health problems. A man of his age, he's 72 years old. And secondly, the problems that he has, of course,

are that they're competing factions. He's got enemies in the party. But he's worked against them ruthlessly. Again, the PRC is a surveillance superpower, right? They're constantly monitoring their own population through their social credit scores you've heard of, of course,

and through other means. And Xi Jinping is also monitoring his party, including leadership. And under the guise of anti-corruption, right, which is another way of saying, if you're opposed to Xi Jinping, you may not belong in your job in essence.

So there's a lot of talk about that. It's important, but we want to keep in mind at the end of the day that he's in control until he's not. And to my mind, he looks very much in control.

Back just quickly, somebody raised something on my re-stream here about the rare earth minerals. Do we have environmental issues in terms of mining of our rare earth? Yes, we do.

Oh, yeah. It's been a problem in Nevada, for example, with firms, of course. I think the Trump administration, again, recognizing this vulnerability and working with partners and allies like Australia is doing their utmost to work around that. So that it's extremely important to get process, rare earth processing capability

back into the United States so that we solve this window of vulnerability that we have in rare earth processing. I have a question about something that's been happening. Caleb, listen carefully here, because I want you to jump in on this with the Amazon cloud being interrupted and all kinds of interruptions with our,

I guess, our communication system. I know what to call it anymore. But is, Caleb, you want to refine that, what you saw with all that disruption? Yes. for the people who aren't fully aware Amazon Web Services powers probably about 30% of the entire internet.

So that's why about maybe yesterday and the day before almost, you know, you couldn't get to your apps. Banking apps wouldn't work. Twitter worked, X worked, but most other places that rely on AWS just fell apart because that's that one central bottleneck

because everyone relies on it so much. And it seems to me like a major national security concern that you could just take down. I mean, I could barely work yesterday because half of my programs wouldn't even work. And that's just me. I could, you know, there's tons of corporations that couldn't get anything done for half the day. And I guess the more paranoid question is, is it China?

Were they behind some of them? Are they testing? Are they testing something? Was that an attack? And they just don't want to let us know because it seems so odd that this is now happening every three to six months. Amazon Web Services just goes down for half a day. Kevin, it's very important.

A lot of folks, I think we're in your situation. And I think Occam's razor suggests, yes, that it was the People's Republic of China. You may remember the release early or late last year, early this year, about Volt Typhoon and other related programs where it was revealed that the PRC was in our telecoms, Verizon, AT&T, all of them, in essence, had been penetrated by the, the PRC. So that, and from that, of course, the keys to the kingdom were given to them in terms of their ability to access your phone,

my phone, Caleb's phone, the audience's phone, anyone that they wanted, in essence. And so with that program and then related programs, the PRC did great damage to American national security.

So it would not surprise me at all if the attack against AWS was either related or a different attack, but executed by the People's Republic of China. And that's just in keeping with a series of attacks that they've executed against us. You may recall that Obama reached an agreement with Xi Jinping in 2015, where Xi Jinping promised never to hack us again, right? So how long – that was a pie crust promise, right? any agreement with Xi Jinping or with the Chinese Communist Party is made to be broken by the Chinese communists.

So anything that he says about this is just absolutely should not be believed. But again, Caleb and Dr. Drew, we need to anticipate that foreshadows the fact that the CCP has penetrated our infrastructure. Not just the cyber infrastructure, which is critical, of course, for everyone, but also water supplies, electrical grid. And we could be in very dire circumstances very quickly if we're not taking the adequate measures against them, not only to harden ourselves, but also to impose a cost on the PRC. If they're going to hit us, we need to hit them back.

and that has to be and harder and that has to be a key aspect of deterrence in the cyber realm right you just can't do this to the U.S.

and expect impunity it's going to have to be some form of retaliation against them for conducting these attacks do we have that capacity or do we have to develop it

well that's very closely guarded but I would anticipate you may have heard in the last few days the Chinese are composed planning about some problems that they're having. And maybe somebody has hacked them. So I would suspect that US capabilities are formidable.

And you want to remember that we invented the internet. And we were present at the creation of it. And that probably included creating the internet in China. And even though the Chinese have done many things, perhaps to harden that, they have to think that US capabilities are really good. And you may not want to use those things. capabilities because by so doing you reveal what those capabilities are, but there can be a time

and a place where it's necessary to ensure that communist China incurs a cost when they conduct these attacks against us. And finally, I want to hear about the financial involvement that CCP has with NGOs. We talked about this a little bit last time, but I heard about Antifa maybe having some, how does that work and how do we know where it all is and are we actively going after it? Well, the fact that President Trump now has declared Antifa domestic terrorist organizations a huge step forward and maybe we'll soon declare them an international terrorist organization, I think would be extremely helpful too. it's not a surprise that communist China supporting Antifa

the communist Chinese use and operate through front organizations and they have as a part of their own government as a part of the party too they have what they call the United Front Organization and the United Front Organization as the name may anticipate is in charge with penetrating societies

to undermine them through front organizations through agents of influence and other actors And so it's not going to be a surprise that the communist Chinese are giving money, perhaps obviously through layers and through front organizations, to, let's just say, a pot of money upon which Antifa is drawing as well as other actors. And I recall from last time we talked about Act Blue, we talked about Tides Foundation, we talked about Soros and Company. the essentially left-wing billionaires who are making this possible, I think we'll find that a lot of money from communist China

through their front organizations is also in that pot of money upon which these actors are drawing. And also their agents of influence, Dr. Drew, are operating in the media. They're operating in political organizations. They're operating at the local level. They're operating at state level, as well as at the federal level. And so we'll see at universities and we'll see in media that, in essence, the ideas industry, what the communists call the ideas industry, where ideas are manufactured and disseminated.

We're going to find that CCP and communist influence is going to be present there. Are we going after that actively? Is that an intelligence operation? or is that a military operation? It's a law enforcement, sure. It's an intelligence operation. Certainly, you need to, because you're dealing with international actors, of course, the communist Chinese, obviously a big part of that is going to be intelligence,

part of the intelligence community's responsibility, as well as it operating domestically. But it obviously intersects with law enforcement and with Treasury, too. And I'm sure U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Besson is following the month. money to find out where Soros is giving and other actors and how that would be intersecting with money coming from international actors. And you want to, again, remember, Act Blue has a very sloppy record, right? They take a lot of money from foreign donors.

And so, you know, that allows us to anticipate that really the same tools are going to be used by front organizations, communist Chinese front organizations to fund these groups just as they're giving money assuredly to act blue and other political organizations PACs law firms

as well because that's going to be a key component too here. When it's certainly going to be political action committees but it's going to be K Street, it's going to be law firms as well that are so important to examine. And I'm sure the Trump administration is working assiduously on this. Okay. Key Street is the lobby street? Yes. Yeah, the lobbyists, obviously, where that's going to be

critical because these individuals have access to law firms and have access to the Hill and access to, if you will, to Washington and the political community in Washington. Yeah. And then finally, I always like asking what keeps you up at night. But What are you kind of looking at what's in your crosshairs? What's got your attention right now? Well, there are two major things that really have my intention right now, and that is the aggression and, in essence, hyper-aggression of communist China in its effort to undermine us domestically as well as other Western states.

And then secondly, it seems to me, Dr. Drew, that we're at a pivot point, where we're really facing a fork in the road in Western civilization. And there's so many positive forces operating. For example, President Trump's activities, growth in populist movements in Europe, for example. They're saying that we don't want unchecked immigration into Europe. You know, we have a civilization that is worth defending, that is worth sustaining, and we cannot have and accept unchecked immigration by the many millions. So we're at a fork in the road where we can either pursue that,

which would lead to a renaissance in Western civilization, or we really lead to the demise of Western civilization if we give in to, for example, Kirstarmer's government in the UK, right, where he's endlessly supporting many tens of thousands of people coming over the channel and boats and through other means into the U.K., which is dissolving the United Kingdom as a functioning society, as a coherent society. And what's being done in the U.K. is being done in Canada.

It was being done by the Biden administration here and has done throughout Europe. And so we really face a fork on the road. And I'm emboldened by the steps that we're taking really to, encourage a rebirth, a re-examination of what the West gave us, about what the West means, and what we need to do to sustain it. And if you want to, I was just finally encouraged by the new Japanese Prime Minister, this conservative woman, the first thing she did said, you know, we're not going to import the problems of we're not going to follow Europe. We're not going follow the U.S. and Canada, Japan is for the Japanese and proudly so. And so elements of

that spirit, again, we need to find if we're going to make the right choice to saving Western civilization. So nothing is predetermined. Of course, it's not for O'Dane, but this is a huge issue that keeps me up at night and I'm thinking a lot about in terms of what we need to do to save ourselves at the time. If we lose the West, of course, we lose everything, right? That's our intellectual history. That's our religious history. It's what unites us.

It's what sustains us. It's what's given us really the standard of living, the quality of life, and the freedoms, most importantly, that we enjoy. And if this is lost, if it is eroded, as it has been thus far, year after year, then it'll be a very dark time because if the West is lost, who's going to inherit it?

It's going to be communist China. And so the dispositive question of the 21st century is freedom going to be reborn, right? Are we going to save the West and our civilization, or is it going to be a dark future is totalitarianism, really under the leadership

of the Chinese Communist Party and their allies? Is that going to set the agenda for the 21st century. So a lot to think about, I used to not have gray hairs, right? But now I do. So a lot to keep you up at night,

but also a lot to sustain you and to encourage you. As we look around the world and see that there are people of goodwill around the world who are fighting for the West and for a rebirth, really, of our civilization. Yeah, I think certainly

a rebirth of willingness to fight for freedoms, something I never heard discussed, and now it's on the tip of many people's tongues. And I also like the use of your word, dissolve, that it's dissolving their countries. It really is what's happening. Things just sort of, you put enough solution with a solute, the solute just dissolves in the solution. That's how it goes. Okay, well, thank you so much, Brad, as always, for joining us. Where would you like people to go find you? My pleasure to join you, Dr. Drew, and Brad Theron-X or Bradley Thayer at Getter and on Truth. Thanks very much indeed. It's great conversation.

As always, it is great talking to you, and I'll look forward to future updates. Thank you so much. Thank you. Coming up, we have a big lineup. I saw a salty cracker in there in a couple of days. We've got Jeremy from the quartering coming in tomorrow. J.P.A. on the 28th.

I've got some surgery coming up just minor stuff, but it's going to put me out of commission for a couple of days. Aaron Siri, Dr. Todd Rose, Salter Cracker, there's our upcoming guest list. And it's going to be interesting, as always, these guests,

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