Ask Dr. Drew - Predator Hunters: Detective Tony Godwin Exposes Thousands Of Cops, Teachers & Monsters Hiding Online To Target Kids + Viva Frei & Bob Forrest – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 593

Episode Date: March 2, 2026

Detective Tony Godwin has seen the darkest corners of the internet and the monsters hiding inside. For over 30 years, the “Predator Hunter” has worked on nearly 7,000 online child exploitation cases involving countless crooked cops, teachers, parents, and pastors. How do online predators operate, and what does it take to finally bring them down? In “Predator Hunters” (premiering March 5 at 9pm ET/PT on A&E), Godwin and his ICAC task force utilize undercover stings, digital forensics, and catfishing tactics to catch monsters in the act. Viva Frei discusses Hillary Clinton’s temper tantrum during her Epstein testimony and the WEF CEO in the Epstein Files. Bob Forrest reunites with Dr. Drew to speak on the latest in addiction care and recovery. David Freiheit, known as Viva Frei, is an attorney and political commentator. He hosts the Viva Frei Show on Rumble and Locals and cohosts Viva & Barnes Live with attorney Robert Barnes, focusing on constitutional law, civil liberties, and current events. Follow at https://x.com/TheVivaFrei Detective Tony Godwin is a law enforcement officer with over 30 years of experience and has worked on nearly 7,000 cases involving online child exploitation. He began his career in the military as a police officer and criminal investigator and later served in the Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force. He hosts Predator Hunters on A&E. Learn more at https://www.aetv.com/shows/predator-hunters Bob Forrest is a musician, author, and addiction counselor. He is a member of Thelonious Monster and The Bicycle Thief, served as a counselor on VH1’s Celebrity Rehab, works with DNA4Addiction, and authored Running with Monsters: A Memoir. Follow at https://x.com/bobforrestmusic 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • STRONG CELL – If you want to feel more like your younger self, go to https://strongcell.com/ and use code DREW for 20% off. • AUGUSTA PRECIOUS METALS – Thousands of Americans are moving portions of their retirement into physical gold & silver. Learn more in this 3-minute report from our friends at Augusta Precious Metals: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/gold⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or text DREW to 35052 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Thank you for joining us again today. Viva Fry joins us. David Fryehyt, known as Viva Frye, attorney, political commentator, Viva Frye show on Rumble and locals and Viva and Bars live with Attorney Robert Barnes. Follow Viva at the Viva Fry on X. Then Tony Godwin joins us. He has a new television program. He's a law enforcement officer with over 30 years of experience working on over 7,000 cases involving online child exploitation. And the TV show is about that pursuit. goes about his business. You can follow more, learn more about the show, which premieres on March 5th at 9 o'clock Eastern on A&E called Predator Hunters. And then Bob Forrest, my co-worker from Celebrity Rehab, my clinical director for many years over at Las and Sienis Hospital, where we ran a large

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And I welcome you back, my friend. How are you doing? I'm doing well, Drew. How you doing? It's remarkable that that is so, given the state of the world. which is just uncannily bizarre these days. I guess I have an opening question for you, which is, you sort of saw in the intro with my thinking about the Epstein thing.

Why doesn't the Justice Department open a few cases on a few of the perpetrators to see if they can prove something? Well, I mean, the argument is going to be that for all of the revelations that have been exposed now in the disclosures of the Epstein files, you haven't actually found what you'd call smoking gun evidence of actual criminality that you could prosecute on its face. Then the flip side is also going to be. I suspected that you just not, you don't have a case. If they don't have a case, they don't have a case. But once you finish your thought, but then I also want you to talk about the unhinged

Hillary Clinton in her testimony. The finishing of the thought is also going to be they've had, and I say they, whoever's been in possession of that file, the dossier has had 18 years to expunge it of any highly prejudicial incriminating information. Remember, whether or not they even had the goods in the beginning because of that sweetheart non-prosecution agreement that was gifted to known and unknown co-conspirators back in 2008, if you never built the file, you never have that which is in the file to discover to go after other people for criminality. So there's that element to it. You know, whether or not there's corruption in office, which is what they arrested former Prince Andrew

over Mendelsohn over in England. You know, that's the type of stuff that they might be able to find in this file. But as far as I'm concerned, whether or not they even had the highly incriminating stuff, they've had 18 years to remove it from the file. They had four years under Biden to really get rid of whatever they didn't want in there. You know, whatever VHS is that they could have raided from Epstein's premises. Lord knows where it is right now. But so, barring, setting aside, I should say, some emails where they're talking about

how to split, how thinly to slice one piece of pizza for seven adults. Well, they're not they're talking about sex trafficking, cocaine, or whatever. You know, there's something going on there. What are they going to do now eight years later, go and investigate those people? Maybe. It certainly would garner some public support if they were to do something other than nothing. Because what they've done in America is, other than release this after a botched disclosure, a botched release of botched redactions, you know, Trump, to his credit,

sign to law this bill, which no other president did. If there was anything in the file that would have incriminated Trump, they would have released it between 2020 and 2024. But, you know, so they've, they've released it now. And all that we've seen in there is some really bizarre talk and some potential misconduct in public office for some Brits, but they've done nothing in America. It would do some good to do something. You know, there are concerns. It seems to me they should be able to cock something around the pandemic stuff and the and the capitalizing off, you know, the pandemic and those sorts of things seem so highly problematic, but maybe there's no actual law violation. But I don't if you saw Lauren Bobert, speaking of Hillary Clinton, they, she was running, she was pushing

her child in a stroller and they go, what do you have to say about Hillary Clinton's, or were there any pictures or something? She goes, I forget, I erased my thumb drive and I just took a hammer to my to my computer. I'm not sure. What was it, Caleb? She just installed bleach bit, she said, and she does not recall. Right, bleach bits. Right, which is what Hillary did back long ago. Yeah, when she had a media that laughed off that answer, oh, did you wipe the drive? You mean, like, with a rag? No, we mean like destroying evidence. What's revelatory right now from Hillary Clinton answering questions? We'll get the, I think we're going to get the video sooner than later. is back in the day, I've always said, like, the true power of political corruption comes not only or not from the ability to lie with impunity, but to get other people and in the mainstream media, legacy media apparatus to lie for you. And that's what Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton had for the longest time. Now that, you know, they're sort of politically expendable, they're getting a bit of the heat. But Hillary Clinton coming out and claiming to be an innocent babe in the woods that she knew nothing of Epstein and had no idea.

idea and I didn't know about his criminality. It's the plausible debility where maybe she didn't know and Bill Clinton did. But people are like, it's an intimate relationship that they had for a very long period of time. Epstein visited the White House 17 times under Bill Clinton's presidency. Clinton was on not the plane that necessarily went to the island. There's some dispute about that, but he was on a plane and meaningfully on a plane doing international trips, 26 times, four to six of those were extended vacations or extended states. The idea that they didn't know that Hillary Clinton never met him, although if she did meet him, the internet's going to find out and cause her to face that

lie. But for them to pretend to be innocent victims and Bill Clinton to get out holier than now and say, how dare you go after my wife? That's a bridge too far. Horse crap. I mean, that is the type of... That's too much. He said it's like, that was the line that you went after my wife and she knows nothing,

bull crap. Hillary went after the victims of Bill Clinton's alleged sexual abuse. And it'll be a cold day in hell before I believe that she knew nothing of what Bill Clinton was doing with Jeffrey Epstein. Well, I have two sort of observations. What is when she came out and gave those comments, I thought, oh, my God, she's such a good lawyer. She just, she just is sliming around everything. It was so skillful the way she said nothing, number one. And then number two, I love Bill Clinton's strategy.

his opening commentary is Trump isn't in there anywhere. Very smart move. Very smart. Now he's got Trump on his side. That was the best. When people were, you know, getting mad at Trump and they said, why is Trump speaking nicely of Bill Clinton? Well, you know, the better part of that soundbite is I like Bill Clinton.

He says nice things about me. I mean, that's what that's, I love about Trump. I like him because he says good things about me. People don't appreciate the backhand compliment that that is. But, you know, Hillary Clinton, in her statement afterwards. And yes, she's a lawyer to her core, a reptilian lawyer to her core.

When she comes out and says, Maxwell was at the wedding because she was a plus one. Thank you, goodbye. I have a follow-up question. Who was he the plus one? Who was she the plus one too? That's what I want to know.

And the answer to that question is not a good answer. And it's a guy who is intimately tied. But it's satisfied the crowd. It's like, oh, okay. Thank you, Hillary. But the unhinged part is what I find amusing. Because remember back in the Benghazi testimony, when she lost it, like started screaming at the senators or the House representatives, whoever it was,

I'm expecting something like that, except they have very different personnel in there. You've got Nancy Mace in there going, hey, that chick is weird. It's a whole different generation in the position of authority. Well, and for those who don't remember when she was at, you know, being pressed on how they died, how the four Americans died in Benghazi. What difference does it make at this point? I mean, it's the clips that if you're new to the internet, you might not have seen. She is an unhinged, I mean, people have been using the word demonic lately. She really is as awful as they come.

She's a lawyer in the worst sense. But there's a haughtiness that goes along with this and haughty like H-A-U-G-H-T-I-N-N-S, the arrogance of when they get pressed. And people who are like that respond very negatively and aggressively when they get pressed. Bill Clinton, and it's the trick of lawyers to make themselves look like the victims when they're being pressed. And Bill Clinton is good at it as well, as you saw here. But it only goes so far. And when the Internet gets a hold of this, they're going to pick it apart. And we'll see whether or not there's going to be lying under oath maybe to follow for Bill Clinton.

It's a new era. It's a new era. And I just had such an interesting emotional reaction, again, to her outside the. Bordhouser outside the testimony room there. I read an article recently about Newsom, and the guy writing the article is just excoriates him. He's a sociopath. He's a liar.

He's a terrible administrator. Go ahead and finish the thought. I'll bring him back on my. That apparently, that he might be a sociopath. The funny thing is, though, I always wonder if we're being too mean on these politicians because it's social media and it's easy to criticize people. And I'm sure that Gavin Newsom's nice on a personal level, and I've met people who knew him better or know him better

that say nice things about him. And I was like, I was like, I was expecting the people who knew him best to say that he's a... Uh, where are my gloves? Come on, heat. Any. Winter is hard, but your groceries don't have to be. This winter, stay warm.

Tap the banner to order your groceries online at voila.com. Enjoy in-store prices without leaving your home. You'll find the same regular. prices online as in store. Many promotions are available both in store and online, though some may vary. Scumbag in real life like he is on the internet, but I think once you get too deep into the political sphere, you just become a fake pathological liar. I think Drew came back and then, but he's, he's in New York and he appears to be having some internet issues in New York right now. Thanks, Mum Donnie. Let's blame Mom Donnie. For those, I mean, look, everybody's following the, the Clinton thing,

but his opening statement is pathological, which is to say, I know nothing and I don't remember anything. And you can interpret those pictures that are 20 years old, however way you want, when there are pictures of not alleged but actual, you know, sex victims of Jeffrey Epstein giving a back massage to Bill Clinton, and he's going to complain about what the world thinks about that. But he quite literally said, I don't remember anything, and I didn't do anything wrong.

I have no business being here and you shouldn't have gone after my wife. Do I want to do? Well, if I'm going to hijack Drew's show. Go ahead and plug your channel and all of your... Everyone does what to find me as anything. No, but everyone knows what to find me, but... Well, they know we're going to come back to Gavin Newsom in a bit. It's a wild thing that Gavin Newsom, and it takes the sociopathy.

I think Jordan Peterson calls it the unholy trifecta, or what is it called? It's the, there's three bad elements. I think narcissism, sociopathy. When it comes to Gavin Newsom, and I trust the diagnosis of this journalist who, and I've been talking about this as well, has the audacity to criticize Trump for, you know, allegedly destroying the country. This is what Gavin Newsom tweeted after the State of the Union address. And I'm like, Gavin, there's literally an app designed to track human feces in San Francisco

to alert the public health authorities to come and pick. it up. The man has done nothing but literally destroyed the state of California for the last decade. And now he's going to lecture Donald Trump and purportedly, you know, apparently try to run for president. It is going to be, that takes a degree of sociopathy, narcissism to say, after all of my failings, I'm in a position to judge the only man who's actually, you know, salvaged and seemingly, hopefully they continue with the redirection, but saved America from what was the four years of Biden and what would have been the four years of Kamala Harris. And now.

Do I get to cut out? We're back? Can I share the screen? Okay, we're back. Hang on, Susan. We were about to turn off our internet and try it back. This happened yesterday, too. But I blame Viva.

It happens every time you're on. Everything crashes. All that I like is that people always, you know, my crowd sometimes gets mad at me because I don't have a producer and I don't have high-tech stuff. You know, it's a plug-in. But, hey, this stuff happens to everybody, but you're in, Gavin, sorry, Dr. Drew, you're in New York. And, you know, there might be other infrastructure issues there.

And I don't know what the weather's like now, but that does also affect. It's, it's, it's, is warming up. But, but yes, they, I've been hearing about internet difficulty throughout the town. Wow. Oh, no. I'm going to, let me, I'm going to go. I'm going to lower his quality and we'll, we'll get this fix. Yeah, it's, it's, his network is entirely disconnecting.

Well, I don't even know if I can't share the screen with, I can't share my screen, eh? There he is. You're there? Yeah, we're going to turn it. We're going to literally turn our internet off and on. Hang on, let's see how long we can go. But Susan, hold on, don't do it yet. Don't do it yet.

I want to finish my thought about Hillary. He was a sociopath. That's where we're going. Gavin Newsom, this guy said, the guy said, the guy says, a sociopath, but I still liked him. And I had a similar reaction to Hillary. outside the room where she had testified, I thought, oh, I really admire how slimy she is. This is skill.

This is really something. I had this weird, positive feeling about her dishonesty, frankly. No, but that's one of the signs of a sociopath is that they exploit. And you feel like he's a sociopath, but I still like him is exactly what a sociopath does. But at some point, at someone who does catch up with you, and you're like, oh, my goodness, he used and exploited me. And now I don't feel quite so good about that interaction anymore. Yep. He's still a nice guy. He's still a nice guy. He's not mad at him. He's still a nice guy. Have you ever met him in real life? Have you ever met Gavin Newsom in real life? No. No. But, you know, Adam, he's, Adam is kryptonite to Adam Corolla is kryptonite for Gavin Newsom. And I've seen several interactions with them. And, wow. Does Adam, Adam, he's, Adam. Adam. Adam. Adam, he's, Adam. Adam. Adam. Adam. Adam. Adam. Adam. Adam. And I have seen. is the one that has his number completely, and he falls apart every time. Because Adam just stays at it. He goes, what's wrong? Why would they be that? Why do you do that? Why would you say that? What's wrong with people? What's wrong? You're saying they can't do that? Why can't

they? What's wrong with them? Are you alleging that there's something wrong with these people? He just goes over and over. And he goes, like when he talked about using those, oh, we had incomplete information about COVID. We were doing the best we could. He goes, Adam goes, really incomplete information? So in response, incomplete understanding, what you decided to do is shut the beaches, shut everything down because you didn't understand what's going on. So you go full totalitarian when you don't understand what's going on. He just lays into him. And finally, the news and goes, hey, Adam, it's good to see you. He has no response.

It is amazing. I forget what the movie was. It was a Holocaust movie. And at the end, you have the German population holding signs that said we didn't know. as if, I mean, first of all, as if that's even an excuse that he should say after the atrocities that they've committed, and I call them that, we didn't know. And like you say, it's like, if you don't know, you don't do the most radical wild course correction. You sort of go the other way around. But they did know.

This is why they knew. And this is what I would love to be able to prove one day. But it's like everybody wants to forgive and forget and move on. They knew. They got people telling them at the time. and they didn't listen because they had their own agenda to push through, and they saw a power grab like they never saw before, and you never want to look.

I mean, they were holding the proverbial ring, and why would they want to give it up? Well, yeah, and to that point, Viva, so much of what was disturbing in the Epstein file, particularly as it pertained to some of his conversation with Bill Gates, it looks like they were planning it all along. It looks like they were a hammer waiting for a nail, and once they got to hammer away,

they were going to profit on that. Well, I mean, it's whether or not it was ever going to happen organically or even inorganically, you can manipulate a bad flu season into a pandemic. And when you realize they've tried it multiple times. But it is looking behind the, you know, looking under the hood of the car and seeing how these people interact with each other, these globalist elites. And the W.E.F guy, the CEO who just resigned. And you realize that this guy is, is.

interacting with Jeffrey Epstein while he's the CEO of the WEF, an organization that at one point in time was just right-wing conspiracy theory, meeting with Michael Wolfe in Paris, Michael Wolfe, who was also trying to suborn extortion material from Jeffrey Epstein on Donald Trump. I mean, this is a cabal. It's literally the cabal trying to control politics and control our daily lives. But why the bungling of the release, We can maybe start to move on from that at some point in time, and now we can start focusing on what has been disclosed. We haven't found the smoking gun evidence of actual sex crimes, although there's a lot of talk of pizza, grape soda, and splitting pieces thinly for seven adults. But we're seeing the inner workings, and it's been as revelatory as the release of the JFK files. Yes, I agree. I keep saying, which is the COVID, the discovery of all the fraud in Minnesota, Minneapolis, and California. and then these Epstein files is blowing the lid off the status quo of how things operate. And looking under that hood, it is disgusting what's going on.

And these are not people representing our interests at all. And this is the opposite of what this country was founded on. They are actual, this is my humble opinion, they're actual criminals. They're actual fraudsters. They are literally stealing not just your money, but your freedom, our freedoms. And then oddly, you know, the second it happens, what do we see in Minnesota, uprisings, and then innocent, you know, innocent, I'll put it in quotes, civilians getting killed so that Tim Walls and the rest of those scumbag, corrupt,

criminal scoundrels can then divert the attention and say, look what you've done here, and don't look at this monumental fraud. But what's apparent is that what we were told were right-wing conspiracy theories of, you know, a new world order, a globalist agenda, it's reality, it's in your face, and we're seeing it right now of all of these global elites behind closed doors, rubbing elbows and planning their schemes to the detriment of the people. Thank God we're out of the World Health Organization. That is one of the more egregious outliers, in my opinion.

And they were clearly driving so much of the excess that we got into. Yeah, it is, you know, social ill, social evil is always carried out in the name of the good. We're the good guys. We're doing good. just trying to get vaccinated people. I'm just trying to prevent pandemic. Woe is me. Always, it's people that don't have an internal compass where they can measure the social evil they're perpetrating. Oh, I think they've got an internal moral compass and it's a, it's a lust for power, but they get to cloak it in benevolence. You heard what's going on in Canada. There was this,

recently a case, the guy's name is Newfeld. He was a board on the board of trustee. He was a trustee of a school board for five or six years, and he allegedly posted, you know, they've deemed it to be transphobic messaging. They called it Soji. Sexual orientation, gender identification. He was criticizing it, complaining about it, calling a child gender mutilation. A human rights tribunal in British Columbia ordered him to pay $750,000 because to deny the existence of transgender people, to deny transgenderism is to deny the existence of transgender people, which is now literally codified as unlawful under the equivalent. criminal code and various other statutes in Canada. But they do it in benevolence. You know,

it's like you can't deny their existence. And so instead of treating what would otherwise be a diagnosable mental illness, you've got to ratify it. My dog is driving me crazy. You got to ratify it. And if you don't, it's a criminal act for you, but in the name of being nice to me. And by the way, that is, that is not, one does not forget the other. You're not saying they don't exist or they should not exist. If you're saying that there's some issues with the excessive application of the treatment does not deny anybody anything. It's just an opinion. No, but in this particular court ruling, the rationale of the judge says, you don't need to believe in Christianity to identify someone as Christian, but you need to believe in transgenderism

in order to argue that someone is transgender. And if you don't recognize them as being transgender, you are denying the existence of transgender people. This is almost verbatim in the ruling. It's insanity. And, but it's always, it's always cloaked in. benevolence and the people doing it are tyrannizing you for your own good and for your own betterment. So what's coming up on your show and your show with Mr. Barnes? Well, we've got the Sunday night show coming up with Viva and Barnes Law for the People. It's going to be another banger Sunday at 6 o'clock.

I'm going live daily talking about whatever's going on and trying not to, you know, everyone talks about the same thing at some point in time, but some of the news is just too big to ignore. And if you hear my dog barking, it's because we got a second dog today who we have to slowly acclimate our existing dog to the new dog, so I can't have them in the same room for the time being. Does the existing dog have, does he have legs or eyes or ears, unlike your other dogs? No, the one that just passed away was paralyzed. The one that we have now is blind from birth, which is why he's sort of responding a little

bit nervously to this new dog who is, I'll send you a picture, Drew. The dog's a mix between a pug, I think a Sharpay, some, some terrier, the dog's body's wicked long and it's a gloriously ugly dog but i find these dogs beautiful uh but winston is you know he has all his he has all his physical abilities and his sensory uh systems intact unlike yes your usual move not like you except we're going to determine IQ sooner than later also i just want to thank viva for talking about uh trans health issues because it got us kicked off of ticot yet again so we got it's our every three days we get kicked off of ticot for something someone says on the show, and now we're banned for another, I think, 48 hours.

So we'll be back on Tuesday, as usual. Hold on. Hold on. What I just said here got you kicked off of TikTok. Yeah, yeah. It just kicked us off a TikTok. And we usually get like a 24 to 48 hour ban. Drew's account just has, it's just a long, long list of banned for this for two days, ban for two days.

Every two days we get a ban. Well, I, shit. Sorry. No, thank you. Thanks for, thanks. Thanks for bringing it yet again. So, all right, it's all good. Don't you worry.

We appreciate you. We love you. We will look for you on your show and the Sunday night show. And as always, we got to come visit you in Florida. We've got to come see you. You guys got to come back. You'll see our new dog and we will have another beautiful barbecue. Wonderful.

Thank you, my friend. All right. Godspeed. Next up, Detective Tony Godwin and his new television program, chasing pedophiles, essentially. after this. Let's go with your retirement savings. This should concern all of us.

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Where are his? Shoot, where is his, there we are. Predator Hunters premieres March 5th at 9 p.m. Eastern. and I guess Pacific is also at 9 on A and E. You can find out more. Let's see. But I'll give you some basics on the operation.

He talks about, he shows what it takes to bring these people down. Goodwin and his ICAC task force utilize undercover stings, digital forensics, catfishing tactics to catch monsters in the act. Detective Godwin, thank you for joining us. I appreciate it very much for the opportunity. So tell us a little more about the program and what you're hoping to accomplish there. Yeah, this has been a long time coming, but Predator Hunters is the name of the show that's coming out next week on Thursday. And it basically involves a first time glimpse behind the mask.

You know, this is a crime that is kind of known peripherally by people in society. But I don't think that they've had an opportunity to see really what it's all about and the depth and the depth and the depravity that's involved in this kind of a job. And so I'm really hopeful that everybody's going to enjoy this. I'm really hopeful it's going to do a lot to raise awareness and educate people, make them aware. It was super important for me in my role with this, because this is what I still currently do, that we send the message that empowers people and parents who have children who could know what to do or look for some call signs and just behavior changes, just to kind of see. like, all right, what do I do if I'm

encountered with something like this and then be able to walk kind of through that. So at the end of every episode that we filmed, there are a lot of parental tips that happen and it's a really exciting process. There are a little trailer here to give you a taste to the show. Let's take a look at it, Caleb.

This team has one job. Stop Predators before they strike. Nothing I'd rather be doing in same kid's lives. Here's a sneak peek at the new A&E original series. Predator Hunters. I'm putting myself online as a child in the hopes that a predator is going to talk to me. Within seconds, I'm just slammed with messages. One user in particular, his name was Kingfish.

He's asking this child about having sex with a grown man. He's got to be a real threat to a real child. I get the break I need. He suggested to meet in person. He's just crossed the line as far as criminality. As we're set up for the takedown, he wants to have a conversation on the phone. Tony asked me if I can come help him, use my voice to convince this man that he isn't talking to the real child. Hey, girl.

You sound sweet. There's not one doubt in my mind. This guy is an absolute predator, and I need to get it. Predator Hunters. New series premieres Thursday, March 5th at 9. Part of crime and investigation, only on A&E. So, Tony, I'm of the opinion that we have moved into an era. where these sorts of predation and predators have become vastly more common than in days gone by.

And I say that for a couple of reasons. What I watched it happen in real time, both talking to young people on the radio and working in a psychiatric hospital. But the 70s and 80s, there was this, the sexual revolution unleashed these assholes, excuse my French. And they didn't act out one-on-one. They acted out on dozens or even hundreds of kids. And then there's about a 50, let's say, let's give it a, let's be generous, a 30 to 60% probability of one of those kids themselves becoming a perpetrator. And then again, they aren't doing it to one. They're doing it to dozens or hundreds.

So exponential, you know, 10 to the two, you know, 10 squared is built into this epidemic. And we've been pretend. I used to hear people in 90s go, oh. oh, it's been around all the time. What do you make a big deal? It's a big deal, and it ruins lives. Yeah, I agree with you 100%. It's 10x the problem that it was even 20 years ago

when I started doing this particular role itself. And the depravity has just gotten worse. You know, then we hit an era with COVID where we forced children to be online in a setting where people who have this propensity for children and have an open playground. It's really prolific. I'm very thankful to be part of the ICAC world here in the United States.

It's very vast and very broad, and there's a lot of really professional people that are out there every day to ensure that these kids are safe the best way possible, but it sometimes seems like an overwhelming task because of the volume of stuff that we're dealing with. And ICAC stands for Internet Crimes Against Children. It's the Task Force program. And it is, in fact, the Internet that has put the rocket fuel behind it lately, right?

These guys try to hide behind the electronic media and kids are more easily sort of accessed and predated than they could be in a physical space. So it makes sense that it's yet again, like you said, a 10x wave is upon us. Once you get these guys, do they get put away? Is it, is it depend on the state of the county? I mean, I was the criminal justice system doing it. with them. Yeah, it does vary from state to state. Here in Texas, we have a great working relationship with our state partners and our federal partners. And here for us in Texas, at least in North Texas, our federal partners seem to get a much higher sentence than our state partners. And that's not true

across the board. It's sometimes flip-flops, depending on the state that you're in. But yeah, I don't think there's anybody on the planet that would ever think or agree that, you know, what these people who have this predilection for is acceptable in any way. And so they tend to get slapped pretty hard and they go to prison, which is where they need to be, where they can't be around another child. But we also need to keep into account that they do get out and they do reacclimate into society. And so we need to be very careful and cautious and really educate and raise awareness for our parents and for the kiddos that are out there and let them know what to be looking for so that, you know,

in the future, we build a bigger team of people who have the ability to come and report this when they see something. What do you can give us a little primer on what to look out for and then what to do if you fear that something has gone on? Yeah, this is a really common question I get from a lot of parents who will say, like, well, what if something's already happened? And so my first question to them is typically, well, has it been reported? Did you notify your local PD?

Did you notify the feds? Did you make a criminal complaint? And if not, do so. There's no statute of limitations that is really going to impact things unless it's like really outside of the box, which is typically not the case. And so we call those reactive cases. And I will say in my early stages in ICAC, we would get them, but we wouldn't get them with much frequency. Now we see them. My number two tip I tell people is look for behavior changes.

You're around your kid all the time. You see when they're not doing right or they're just acting weird or maybe a total behavior change that's, totally foreign to what you're used to seeing. And so you need to act on that and kind of be a little bit inquisitive and then be very intentional. Like, I'm a big proponent for kids being monitored online. I'm totally in favor of parents monitoring what they're doing and where they're going and checking that at a time when the kid's not expecting it. Implement some rules so that when something does arise, the child has enough ability to go to them and say, listen, I got a problem. I need some help. Yeah, the behavior change is a tough one because in adolescence,

particularly all mental health problems look the same, at least initially. It started out with change in dress, change in sleep patterns, change in appetite, change in peer group. The most significant finding is a full grade point drop. That is no longer a parenting problem. That is a mental health problem. And if you see these things, get them thoroughly evaluated. Even then, though, I'm imagining, even a well-trained adolescent child psychiatrist, probably has difficulty getting the kids to be fully honest because they're so ashamed of what they get into. Yeah. And kids are, you know, they tend to be smarter than some parents give them credit for, you know. Kids know that, oh, gosh, if I do go forward with this, you know, the worst thing's going to happen. I'm going to lose

this device that I cherish so much. I'm not going to have access to my friends. I'm going to be isolated from the world. It's like an arm being amputated. But we have to get past that. You know, we have to. I don't even think about that. That's the new part of this that causes resistance and denial is you're going to take

my access to the universe away, God forbid, which maybe the trick is to take it away when they're seven. So you can fight those. You know what I mean? And we, yeah. Though that's what I'm saying is, I mean, that's a, I'm being facetious, a friend of mine is a child psychologist. And she, that's her kids have like an hour or two hours a day max. And that's it.

And the kids have been expressing gratitude as they've gotten sort of towards college age for the parents having done so. You know, one thing that has shifted this year in Texas at least is the school districts all put in place. There's no longer free reign to use your phone during school hours, which is, you know, the kids think it's crippling at this point. They're just like, oh, how are we going to survive? But, you know, at the end of the day, this is a good thing. And me having a teenage son that's in high school, you know, I asked like, hey, how was this? What's the adjustment like? And he's like, oh, yeah, it was difficult. But, you know, at the end of the day, I'm learning more. I'm paying more attention. I'm, you know, I'm not so distracted as I have been in the past, which I think is all in a good sense the way we need

to go, maybe kind of go back a little bit old school. But I agree with that. I agree with that. you completely like parents giving children unfettered access to a computer to get online at, you know, a young age of six, seven, or eight years is crazy. We would never, ever consider giving a seven or eight or nine or ten year old kid the keys to the car and saying, hey, why don't you go down to the store and pick up some milk and bread and come on back? We would never do that. And so why would we give them unfettered access to the web and just be so susceptible to these predatory types that are just in droves on there? I keep hearing rumblings about legislative changes to make a child, I don't know,

to what threshold they have to go to to be able to trigger this, but a death penalty, punishment, or predation on children. What are your feelings about that? I mean, to be very honest, I haven't heard that. I wouldn't be opposed to something like that. I mean, I think the sentences alone need to be increased. I mean, these are just horrific things that are happening to children. This is a child's worst day on the planet that gets, and they get re-victimized, the more it's

shared, because this is what happens, you know, this ability for people to do this to a child and then just exploit them even further. And sometimes in really, really horribly terrible ways, some of which are going to be highlighted in the show, and you'll see because there are people that have done that. But I would agree with you 100% that sentencing needs to go up. I have not heard of the debate going on about a death penalty sentence. And I would imagine part of the country would lose their minds and follow all kinds of stuff in court. Caleb, you heard some of that, right?

Yeah, what I had heard is I had read something from an expert because I was fully in support, okay, death penalty for these people. Like, that's what I was on. But then I read a report from an expert. expert who said that the fact is actually the opposite, that if you add the death penalty threat, then the abusers will actually use that as a way of controlling their victims, especially if their family members are people that they know, which is usually where it comes from. And they said that they'll tell the kids, don't tell anyone or they're going to kill me. They'll kill me if you tell anybody.

And if you make it a law. And so that changed my mind on that where I'm thinking, okay, well, we don't want to give them more weapons to use, even if we want them to, you know, we want executions. Yeah, those types of threats happen as is if they think that they're danger close to getting caught or being told on. You know, those are some last-ditch efforts that all these predators will attempt to do. So, you know, I just think that it's going to compound some problems. But increasing the penalties, you know, from a mandatory minimums, you know, something like that, maybe some of the charges we have here in Texas are 25-year mandatory minimum. Now, that's a hit.

You know, you hit some of the predators that we've gotten and some of these. guys are up in age, you know, 30, 40, 50s. And, you know, that's a life sentence right there. It's just, it's the gift that keeps on giving when kids are perpetrated against. It just, it changes the trajectory of their life forever. Do you get these kids treatment? Do you have good teams? You send them to? Yeah. We do. Yeah. Yeah. We partner directly with the Children's Advocacy Center. The one in Dallas is very robust. It's an amazing organization. They do everything they can they put a multidisciplinary team in place that's got the therapy, got counseling, got legal, got medical, got law enforcement. And so everybody collectively comes together to just

put that child back on a path of restoration because that's really what the goal is. Yeah. My last question is, are there any sort of, you know, codes we should be aware of or sort of language that if we see, you know, a child using or somebody talking to a child using would tip us off? You know, there's a, I just did a presentation yesterday for a whole bunch of law enforcement here. And we kind of went through an old school version of them, just little acronyms that kids have created. And there's a whole host of those that have kind of become obsolete because they're so old. And then there's a whole bunch of newer versions that are out there. And, you know, at the end of the day, kids talk very cryptically anyway, you know, words that they say that totally make no sense to the parents.

But parents need to educate themselves. A real simple Google search about just common acronyms that children are using would probably open a parent's mind exponentially as to what they understand and see. You know, again, implement some rules, have some boundaries in place, have some good, healthy, intentional conversations with those kiddos so that if something were to happen, they do exactly what you want, which is come to them, the parent, and say, hey, I've kind of gotten myself in a pickle. is there something you can do to help me out? And it's going to go super far with the parents. You know, they try not to blow their stack and get the police involved when they can and when they will. And, you know, hopefully we can get it taken over and, you know, make a good end result for everybody involved. Put a bad guy in prison.

That's the goal. I'm glad this is becoming a top of mind subject again for people. Are there, Caleb, what are you asking here? I can't just throw a question up there. Of course there are patterns. Of course there are patterns. I'm wondering if they're unusual. Because it's,

and I've been watching the screener. And so it's, for one thing, it's, you did a great job learning the language of Gen Z so that you could catch these people. I noticed that you know all the phrases really well. But my question is, so is there a common recurring feature of the people that you catch in all of these cases?

Like, are there, is it addiction? Is it, are they all mentally ill? Is it wealthy, poor, middle class? Do they choose certain careers?

They were sexually abused also. They were also sexually abused and they may have sex addiction on top of it. Well, that tends to be a typical excuse that's used by these predatory types. But if you look at a study by Dr. Michael Burke, you'll see that that inherently is not the case in most instances. There's no real rhyme or reason. I'll tell you, there's no demographic that it fits. I've had cases from someone who's in a homeless situation. I've had cases involving someone who's a legal professional, a medical professional, a law enforcement.

professional, a first responder of some sort. So it knows no boundaries, literally. And we cannot arrest our way out of this situation. You know, the ICAC as a whole across the nation is just doing their level best to keep up with things and stay up with technology. But generally speaking, children alone with their devices, with third-party applications, there's a high, high risk that they're going to be exploited by somebody online. And then maybe never even tell a parent, or a trusted adult about that. And so that is the paradigm we need to shift. We need to change the mindset not only of the child, but the parent as well, to be able to say,

listen, if something does happen, it's so important that you come forward and let us know. They may not be happy. They'll be very upset and disappointed in what the child may have done. But at the end of the day, we catch it very, very early and get somebody off the street that needs to be off the street. And Tony, on social media, X, do you want people to follow you or just follow the show? I think they can follow the show for sure. I mean, I'm out there a little bit, but this isn't really about me.

To me, the bigger picture is the show itself and the opportunity that it's given me to highlight some of this stuff behind the mask. And I hope everybody thoroughly enjoys it. I'm very excited about what's coming forward. This is a really weird, rare opportunity for someone like me to be in a position like this. And I think it's going to do really great with the public. I think people are going to embrace the ability to see what happens and get a glimpse of that through some real live footage that's happened. These are all adjudicated cases already.

So people have already gone to prison. Some are still in. Some have gotten out. But at the end of the day, hit the link on A&E and watch the show. And if you have comments or questions, like filter through there and they'll subtly get back to me. And hopefully I get more opportunities to come out here and just educate people about what's coming. well thank you Tony for your work it is March 5th at 9 both Eastern and Pacific time on A&E thank you sir thank you very much I appreciate the opportunity have a good one got it next up my friend Bob Forrest

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But now we can start to do stuff to reduce oxidative stress. And drugs, alcohol, tobacco, those increase oxidative stress. And the fact we don't do so much of that stuff these days, these people are living longer. I had a question for you about Epstein. Do you see addiction lurking around in some of those cases? I think it's that, you know, so many people have talked to me about this. So I like telling a metaphoric story. So a friend of mine, very famous actor, was playing, he came out and play guitar with a band at the Hollywood Bowl, right?

And then I was just going to go home. And he said, no, no, no, we have an after party. You got to come by. And I didn't really want to go, but then I was stack parking. And I thought, oh, I'll stop by. So I go into where the party is at Pink Taco next to Chateau-Mermont. And I can't find them. And I can't find the band and I can't find anybody.

And I'm thinking like, is this the right party? And they all got the badges from the concert. And then a guy comes up to me that works for the band and said, are you looking for so-and-so and so-and-so? And I said, well, yeah, you know, where are they? And he goes, follow me. And the band and this actor guy were hidden in the office of the kitchen, just the six of them, smoking cigars at the supposed,

social event to meet everyone. There's something about this secrecy and celebrity and being the coolest people and hiding from the world that Epstein, if you look at it, he's creating that for all these people. He's creating this fake world that they can all act out in. It's more than just addiction. It's just, it's the sickness of our society. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah, I do.

Narcissism. It's narcissism. It's narcissism, for sure. Sociopathy. But then I feel like addictions of various types have been flying around in there. I mean, whether it's sex addiction or alcoholism or both or just, he just, any human frailty he was taking advantage of. Yeah. And he was encouraging, I think.

You know, you see it. Oh, yeah. Encouraging, you know, Prince Philip. to just do whatever you want to do. And to be a royal and not know about, you know, international politics and what would be used against you. He's got to be the dumbest guy on earth, right? Well, again, it's an addiction.

You don't look at the consequences, right? So tell me about the book, Running with Monsters, a memoir. Well, it was, I wanted to write about L.A. and growing up here. and really one of the points I was trying to make is how alive we all were. You know, I grew up with Thleen Anthony and Pete and Keith and all people in bands and music and along Hollywood, Bolivar, and we were so alive. And drugs were the thing that were just enhancing it and pushing it and push the envelope of experience. And I think that's a continuation of why the jazz people and then the beats and then the hippies are trying to push to

some unknown realm. The new addicts are trying to numb out reality. That's different motivation, right? And we're using the same model. These kids, I've had so many kids in the last 10 years tell me they don't care if they live or die, and they mean it. How have we created a society where our children don't care if they live or die? That's what I'm interested in.

It's like, looking at it. To me, it's lack of meaning. Yeah, the purpose and meaning. Yeah, and they're not inspired to seek it. And so when you don't even understand what that is, it's like, everything's flat. And truth and honesty, you know, Anthony said something funny a couple of years ago. When we were doing drugs, we knew they were wrong. We knew we shouldn't be doing them.

And that we were taking a chance. We were risking our life. and we were informed and honest and truthful about it and we did it anyways. Kids nowadays don't think like that. They don't think it's wrong. They don't think that none of it. We've created a society that doesn't have any center.

You know, just like Joan Didion is one of my favorite writers. She has that the center won't hold. She was saying that in the 80s. Like if she was alive now, what would she think? The center can't hold. We have to change. Yeah. Okay, great. I am a single dad, as you know.

And so, as you think about the craziness in the world, do you have sort of suggestions? I have hope. I have hope. One of your prior guests is talking about the slings. My daughter said, everyone at school thinks you're tough. And I was like, I don't really strike people as tough, right? I mean, I can take a punch, but I don't know. And I said, I don't think I'm tough.

Do you think I'm tough saying? And she said, no, it's not tough like old people think. It's tough means cool. Tough means cool. So there are nine-year-olds are inventing new words. So you can catch up with Gen Z. Your nine-year-olds using words that mean different things, right? And it's interesting to me to stay tuned.

Yeah, tough. You know, your dad's tough. Cool. So to stay attuned to young people in general, I think you don't have to be a parent to do it. Right. And to call out behavior, you know, my problem has been, you know, kids, I have kids in soccer and kids in basketball. And there's always some misbehaving and I always address it. Yeah, I'm one of the dads.

but you can't act like that. Hey, no, no, no, no, no. And at first one, I did it, all the other parents were like, who the hell does he think he is? But over the last two years, people are starting to see that's a community. You liberals wanted to embrace a community raising people. That's a community.

You don't act like that. You don't hit people. You don't talk like that. Right? And anybody should be able to, that's a responsible member of the society, step in and say, hey, you know, I love you. But come on now.

calm down a little bit, mellow out. Parents were scared to do that. And the other thing, we were liberal fighting off the right most of our lives and careers. Now all of a sudden. It's the same. That all of a sudden, you're becoming your dad. Yeah. I named my youngest son, Idy.

I thought I'd never see the day where I would behave like my dad. but yeah because we drifted too far we're afloat in the ocean we don't have any center we have to come back and center things right and i have a lot of radical friends that think we haven't gone far enough that's why the democrats are losing they haven't gone far enough we don't have enough you know word police and and you know uh living it's beyond live and live it's like the many suffer for the few is what, you know, my dad used to say. So I just, I am very optimistic about the future. I think change is coming.

I see it in Elvis is 15. I see it in Sid as 9. They don't buy into a lot of this nonsense. They don't. Tell them quickly your story in your family of origin and the sister mom story. Well, it's typical. Yeah, it was typical of that era. So, you know, I could grow up in LA,

my parents are pretty asked and they were older and just didn't make sense like how back then you know 50 year old people didn't have you know 10 year old kids nowadays it's very common but so I knew something was up and then my mom said well we adopted you Bobby we chose you and I was like oh okay and why do you compare me what I look like to everyone in our family you know because I'm you know pretty attuned kid like if I was adopted why do you keep saying I look like Uncle Bob. You know what I mean? That's impossible. And then I started to get more curious.

Like if I'm adopted, well, I can ask all these questions. And then they said, well, one day you're going to meet your mom. And I was like, why not now? You know what I mean? And about six months later, they sat me down and told me that my sister was my mother. And, you know, it shocked a lot of people when I started going to rehab when I would say that. They would be like, oh, my God. I remember the first time I was at Hazelden and I told my counselor that, well, yeah, there's like when I go out and what's going on my parents, I actually turned out to be my grandparents and my sister with my mother.

And the look on the counselor's face and she stepped out of the office. And she came back with like, I guess her supervisor, what I would like say, could you repeat what you just. said. But to me it was very clear. My sister's my mother. Okay. Okay. I got it. But it was very common. You know, in this day and age, well, but now with all the ancestry testing, people are finding out that their family members are not their family members. For a variety of reasons. You would uncover that. But be that as it may, you're working with a company that looks at DNA and addiction. Yeah. DNA. It could be an important move to help people intervene early in kids' lives.

Well, that's what, but I've been trying to tell people, if you've got a family history of it, your kids acting out, he's probably susceptible to that, right? But remember, you and I started meeting all the moms of the dead kids from Orange County and Inland Empire, and that was heartbreaking. And they were so naive parents about addiction, right? Well, he was the quarterback.

She was the cheerleader. I was like, what the hell is that got to do with it? Right? So nowadays, I think we're more advanced. I think Celebrity Rehab helped people understand addiction a lot more and then the movement of... I hope so. I think it did. And so I believe that, you know, I was always taught, well, it's a genetic predisposition, childhood trauma, use in the face of adverse consequences. But we never had a DNA test. And I thought, well, it doesn't matter.

We know who has it pretty much, like it runs. in families, it runs in trauma. You know, if you've got multiple generation trauma, if you got multiple generation alcoholism, mental illness, you know, you should be aware that your kid is highly susceptible. Now, since everybody loves quantifiable evidence-based stuff, now you can take a test and it'll tell you your son or daughter, when exposed to opioids, is going to be gone.

Like long, you know, it's going to take on a life its own. It might take three years, but their reaction, to opiates is going to be so different than normally genetically not predisposed people. So that's our test. We have an alcohol test to, but mostly I'm using it as a tool to tell parents, like, there's no reason for your kid to take, you know, oxycontin because he broke his leg. There's no reason to. Right. I'd be profen 800 will work just as fine. And especially if this DNA test is positive. Where do they get it?

at DNA for Addiction.com. That's our DNA. She's a cheek swab or is it a blood test? Cheek swab? Cheek in your mouth. Yeah. Good. I mean, I dreamt of the day when this would happen.

I've been saying it forever that we've got to come up with this test. So I'm so glad to see that it's happened and that you're getting behind it. It's a good thing. It also makes me think, you know, if your kid turns out positive, you know, you need to attend to that child's mental wellness because any dysregulation and they're going to reach for a substance. But it also makes me wonder how the GLP-1s might enter into this in terms of reducing the drive or if kids get going. I don't know.

There might be a role for the GLP-1s in all this, too. Well, one thing that I think is, I have four children through the years. Each one's different. You have to parent each child differently on a certain level. You have to be attuned to them, what they are. We all wish we had kids like my daughter, Sydney.

She does her homework as soon as she gets home. You don't have to tell her. She does everything right, right? Idy is up and down, up and down. Right now he's being wonderful, brought his lunch tray into me. So thank you, knew I was working. But later on this evening, we'll not be like that. Elvis is anxious.

Elvis is my 15-year-old. He's more typical of the time. He's anxious. he gets sad, withdrawn, all the signs and symptoms, right, that he would self-medicate. I've been telling him that for two years. Like, you were priming yourself for loving drugs, right? This anxiety, depression, both parents' addicts. I mean, you know, I can just see it, right?

And you have to parent each child different. And you have to tell the truth and be honest. I think that's one thing that parents are scared of, right? Yeah, for sure. To be, I know, I know sober people. By saying it, you're going to make it happen. Yeah. Hey, guys.

I swear to God, people think that. Wear a seatbelt. If you don't wear a seatbelt, you could get hurt. Is that going to cause them to not wear a seatbelt? Please, come on. Right. But so, and then, you know, whatever you do, honesty seems to me to be the best.

like we're going through a health crisis with their grandfather right now. And I just, I was doing that thing last night and I told them, I tell them, I tell them. I was like, of course I tell them. I tell them meeting where they are age-wise and emotionally. So my daughter knows more than my four-year-old. 15-year-old knows everything. We already went to hospital this morning, right? Parents need to be attuned and stop worrying what other parents are doing and what other parents are telling you.

You know, I got caught up in that. in the 90s. I remember when I was four. I was four years old. I remember the room I was in. My grandmother had died when I was two and they didn't tell me. And when I was four, I go, whatever happened to that woman we used to visit?

They went, well, she died, and you didn't tell me? I was so outraged. I was absolutely outrage. I'll never forget it. It's like, what did you tell me? It's like, you know, they're hiding it from the kids. my grandma died at our nursing home actually in Culver City and I saw her dead body I was like aid or whatever I grew up in a nursing home so I think I'm more attuned to death and elder aging but my dad

we were driving home my family had a nursing home and after school I'd walk to the nursing home because the whole family worked there and I would call bingo and you know I was around you know death and, you know, dementia, all the things that were... I'm private for drugs. It's traumatized. But I remember, I saw my grandma, and everybody was just talking

because they're all nurses and, like, you know, pretty stowed people. You know, grew up in the 20s and 30s. And they're all, and they're not really paying attention. Probably like, well, a little eight-year-old's been sitting here for like an hour and a half with a dead body. But we were driving home. My dad said,

Maybe we shouldn't have been there that whole time. But I want to tell you something. When I was a kid, my uncle died in a logging accident, this in Cloquet, Minnesota, or a mining accident. And back then, they didn't have the sanitation that they have now of death. And they just put them on the dining room table in my parents' house and put a bunch of flowers and incense around until they came with a... And my uncle was his dead on the dining room where we eat, the dining room table. My mother described the same thing. She described this same thing in the 1920s in Philadelphia.

But she said they put out two planks and laid them on the planks in the living room, not in the dining room. So the good sense not to put where the food went. So that's our parents and then how I parent and then how our children will parent. we just need more conversations about parenting. These do-gooder online, you know, all these trends going on, your kids are your best friend. I got best friends. I don't need more best friends. I need to be a dad.

And my kids need to. Your kids have best friends too. They do not need you to be their best friend. Hey, do you do you remember the story when you walked into my office at Las Sanis and sat down in the chair that the page. always said in and described to me what you thought we should do on television, not knowing that somebody had proposed this to me already? So it goes back. So it had been building up for a few months.

You know, I always defend addicts. I always defend entertainment people. I was an entertainer and all my friends are. And I always very protective of my community. And I saw what they were doing to Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears and Paris Hilton, just making fun of them all the time. And it would really, it really bugged me. And I started thinking like, you know, me and my friends, the Viper Room and then 80s and the 90s were pretty fragile people.

And if people were attacking us like that and embarrassing us and putting us on David Letterman as punchlines, a lot more people would have died. I really believe that. I don't think my gang of friends had the emotional resiliency to take on the onslaught that those three. young women were going through. I was so pissed. So, and Jay Leno had a punchline about Lindsay Lowen. She'd crashed her car and Lindsay Lowen driving lessons. Like, just where did they get off insulting people like this? And I came into your office and I said, listen, listen to me. They're starting to attack addicts and criticize them. We're the punchline of America. We've got to do something about this. So let's have a TV show and just like put TV cameras up in here.

We were in your office in Breyer, the detox unit. And I said, and just show America what treatment is, what addiction is, like how painful it is, how courageous it is, how hard it is, the tears and the laughter and everything. Let's just film it and put it on TV. And you said, oh, my God. I never thought you would want to be a part of something like that. And I was like, well, yeah, we should do it. Well, I didn't want to be a part of it. I was shocked because I had because we, we, the John Irwin and it came to me and pitched this thing.

Damian, yeah. And Damien. And I said this will never happen. But okay, let's go pitch it. And then VH1 showed interest. I had, at the point you walked in the room, I was in hiding. I was very uncomfortable. I wasn't sure I wanted to do it.

And you went, yes, we got to do it. You smashed your hands down and you walked out of the room. And I was like, okay, I guess we're moving forward. It was because I had seen this great PBS TV show about Bellevue, and it really showed Bellevue, which is just the bottom of the barrel of mental health in New York City. And the compassion the doctors and nurses had for the patients and seeing them come in, fluidly psychotic and assaultive and strapped down. And then three days later being interviewed and having clarity and sharing their story. It was a docus series about Belvia. And so I'd seen that.

You should bring that back because those people are staying on the streets now and they're never getting a chance to clear. They're never clear. No, I see her all the time. And, you know, I was just at Pomona Hospital for 20 hours. Like, there's no room in hospitals. You know, you can be having a stroke and just sit in a waiting room. emergency room for 12 hours.

This is the greatest health care we're ever going to see. But it is that not treating addiction and mental health issues is clogging up the hospitals. There's no doubt about it. Oh, well, yes. And then they go right back on the street and then they come right back to the hospital. This is the government that we live with. They're doing a program at San Francisco now that is changing this. And it's going to have massive impact, I predict.

it's called reset, I think. They're taking them, they're arresting them for drugs and trafficking, and then they're taking them to a reset center. They're saying, hey, let's get you cleared up, and then you can go to a treatment and you get mandated treatment for a long period of time. That's it. That's all there's too. Well, that's what L.A. County is trying to do.

Dr. Pilko shared with me. L.A. County is leasing like 40% of the mental health beds, including L.S. seen us where we worked. And it's just forcing people or whatever you want to call. You can't use the word force. Encouraging people to not live outdoors and bring them and get them stable. Because just giving housing, if they're going to smoke, you know, Frank and, you know, be drunk. It's not really going to help. They need to land. And that's what Bellevue did. And that's hopefully what the county's going to do. But just think, Bob, Bob, Bob, if all for these severely ill addicts and mental health patients, if all we need to do was put them in a room and they're cured?

Oh my God. Our work is so easy. It's just house them and then it's all done. Put him in a room. I was talking to a guy in Benning. I was talking to a guy in Banning who does that. Have you seen it along the 10 freeway going to Palm Springs? There's all those that'll look like Home Depot little wooden things along the freeway.

Those are housing for homeless people. They won't go in them because they don't allow smoking or drinking. So you're going to have this compound half empty while people live under the freeway overpasses. Just like one hand doesn't know what the other hand is doing. And the one hand that is doing something doesn't even know what they're dealing with. I remember when you and I were talking with some. They don't have any idea. Look, is open air hospitals run by social workers?

Social workers are not trained to deal with the serious medical problems. It's like asking them to do surgery. They're not trained to do it. So what do we expect? So it's just a setup for absolute abject failure. Bob, Susan loves hearing your story. Do you have anything else you wanted Bob to get into? Go ahead.

No, no, I did. You're good. How are you feeling about Trump? Oh, gosh. She's the puppeter. So, so. So it was a battering ramp, you know, and now it's just off the rails. It's like, you know, I live now in Hollywood at the Home Depot where they did the ice raid last year.

They arrested the hot dog lady, because the young people are really fast, and they can run and they jump and they see them coming and they run off into the neighborhood. And so this poor little lady was just sitting there. She's always there. She's wonderful selling hot dog. with the bacon wrapped around and they arrested her. And I was just like, this is not the worst of the worst. But I know that the ICE agents are incentivized.

The other thing about the ICE agents, I know a couple guys that joined it and they were disappointed and they quit. The whole $50,000, you have to stay in it, stay in it, you have to hit all these markers, just like everything else in life. And if you don't, you don't get any of it. I think you get five grand,

and then you get whatever. But it's just an awful, my dad used to say, going down a dead end street. It's a dead end street, this whole ice attacks and killing people in the street. It's really, if you thought he was battering around doing the business, you know, the Republicans had held their noses, now it's becoming a liability to the party, I think.

Because what comes after Trump? I mean, to be fair, to be fair, I know, interesting. There's a question on here, though. Somebody else can addiction be cured? It can be arrested. Here's the thing about it, and I just can use myself as a case. And I was talking about this the other night. When I was eight years sober, Drew said, come and work with me.

I was going to do evening outpatient. That meant I wasn't going to go to these a-a-means that got me sober and kept me sober. I talked to everyone I know about how I was scared. I didn't know if it was going to affect my sobriety, if I didn't go to, you know, Chinatown on Mondays, tropical on Tuesdays, tropical on Thursdays, third and gardener on Fridays.

I didn't know what my life was going to be like. I think nowadays the mentality of people that even do get sober, that, I don't want to call it humility, that cautiousness doesn't exist, overconfidence, narcissism, you know, and it was lucky that my background check was taking so long because I was still trying to decide, do you know that story, Susan? So, Drew just sent me up to the front of Los Angeles and I went, filled out all the forms, and then there's a background check. And, you know, about five days a week went by, and he was like, what's the time? what's going on? Do you get your paperwork done?

Because he doesn't, you know, he's known me forever. He doesn't trust that I walked from his office up there and filled out all the paperwork. I knew you. But I had. And so then it was like another three days went by. It was Monday. I called and the woman asked me to come in there. Lillian, her name was.

Remember that lady that ran the HR department? I lost his scene. I do. And I went in her office and I thought I was in trouble or something. she said, Robert, we've had a lot of chemical dependency counselors here. And I said, yeah. And she goes, and we understand checkered pass in your job capacity. She was like, old Pasadena.

And I said, yeah, is there a problem? And she goes, well, Robert, you've been arrested 19 times. Placinita said never had an employee arrested so many times. And I said, just like the good junkie move that Drew accuses me up all the time, well, there's no felony convictions. That's it. That's Bob's junkie juke. There it goes.

I mean, it's just a bunch of misdemeanors, ma'am. But that was how I got in there. And wow, did I learn a lot. Wow, did I learn a lot there? Yeah. But to be fair, and to be fair, and we had a lot of people, counselors and whatnot, go out as a result of working with addicts. It's very stressful with addicts working with addict. And you had a little trouble yourself there. Are you forgetting that?

Well, I've had lots of different troubles through the years. The main one was when the millennials hit my style didn't work anymore. Right? I don't know. I mean the stress of working in a hospital with addicts. You something else popped up. Are you forgetting? Oh, gambling? Yes. Yeah. So that happened before. There comes another junkie move, everybody. That happened to PRC even before this. So Susan, listen to this.

So Pat Martin used to give me all the worst clients when I was the case manager at PRC before I worked a lot since then it. And so I would get, you know, Mike Starr and musicians and, you know, people have been in treatment 30 times. And so I'm walking down the hall and he goes, Bob, Bob. if you remember Pat Martin

and I said what? And he said what do you know about gambling? And I thought I had been seen at the casino and I was like, what do you mean? And he goes we got a guy coming in for 50 grand for gambling addiction. I want him to

be on your caseload. Then I was like, oh, okay. And that's what, so working with that guy, I first shared with him, yeah, I'm starting to develop a gambling problem. Because he said, you know, addicts know each other. There's an attention.

They just know. And it's probably some of the ways that I was talking. Maybe I was anxious or whatever. He said, do you gamble? I remember in my office of PRC. And I said, well, it's not the issue right now whether I gamble or not. Remember, what he's looking for, he's looking for a weakness to undermine you as a, as his caretaker. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I said, well, I said, oh, you're an addict too. Okay. But through that, I stopped and going to GA with that guy and the whole journey with him. That's what helped me realize. And it was just escape. You can see it. You can see it in relationships.

You know what? My final frontier is codependency. Like, I don't think you ever conquer that. I don't think you ever do because it's such a fine line between caring and being, allowing yourself to be manipulated, motivated, controlled by another person. I mean, I think that is the final frontier of how to have attachment and detach, how to love but tell the truth, how to how to stand up right and stand up for yourself. And it's so hard, man, especially in this society. I say it all the time. If I said what I really think, I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be in employable. Because one side of the other is going to hate it, right? So you're constantly dealing with this very,

it's almost like walking on egg shells everywhere you go. And when you're codependent, borderlines and people that are narcissists or addicts are going to, you know, get you to the left, get you to the right. And you've got to be able to stand up right and say no. And it's been the hardest thing. But yeah, I went to gambling and sex a little bit. I was more sex during using than codependency. codependency.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. Again, there's treatment for that too. The Al-Anon programs and individual therapies and trial. Yeah, I did it. We got to wrap this up. We got to wrap up if I could talk all day.

But tell them, again, where to go if they want to do the DNA testing. DNA for addiction. It's the website.com. I'm hoping to encourage parents to use it as a tool. And then there's going to be a lot of educational stuff there. One thing that I know is needed in our society. society is an honest. Oh, it's DNA number four.

Hang on. It's DNA number four addiction. Number four for addiction. And to just go and get informed and get this straight dope because, you know, you Google heroin detox. You're going to get everybody who's paid Google to, like, manipulate you, you know, all the different ways. So DNA four, the number four addiction. And you can get some parenting kind of tools. You get the test.

You can buy the tests there. And we have the results. And we're trying to get it down to like a week, but it's about 14 days from the swab to the results. They're anonymous. No insurance company has access to it. We don't even know who you are. You just get a number.

Right. And it's really for parents. It's for parents to figure out how to parent their children. My thing is, you know, you'd be attuned to them, but you can recognize that every child has different needs, right? And there's some that shouldn't take drugs. Oh, I know. Opiate exposure in adolescence, it starts it. It starts the whole thing many times for even appropriate exposure, like in, you know, an orthopedic situation or abdominal surgery or something.

But also go to Amazon and watch Bob and the Monster. I think you'll love it. Do you ever watch it with me? I'm Susan Cain. Hey, Bob. Yeah. What do you think about the correlation between ADD? ADD and what?

Those are different. ADHD and addiction. ADHD. Well, there's a lot of adults. I have a client right now that's in rehab that's been diagnosed with ADHD. He's 56 years old. I was like, what do you need to focus on this? It's so important.

You know what I mean? He's been on Bidt for years. ADHD. Here's the Dural Secret of it. ADD and ADHD. ADD. ADD, it's a marker for addiction. Essentially, all addicts have ADD.

It's just a marker, number one. Number two, it is also something that develops after childhood trauma. So we have both the trauma and the addiction, and then the ADD kicks in, and it's very common. But is it because of parents drank? No, no, no, no, no. No, it's a marker. It's part of the genetics. It's part of the genetics.

No, that's, you know, it is true. The stark reality is, benzos and alcohol are. not to be used during pregnancy. Like, people don't emphasize that enough. Like, there's some, you know, a lot of the, I suspect some of the autism trends we had were more benz-related than what, I don't know, have you seen any research, Drew? Of what benz-benzo use does in pregnancy?

You know, there's so many concerning side effects of medication break. There's actually only one medicine that I have seen. Aspirin? Aspirin? Aspirin? No, not aspirin and not Tylenol. That the professional societies say, okay, you can use this one during pregnancy. Hydroxychloroquine.

It's the only, it's so inert. It's so inert that that is the only medication that is considered safe during pregnancy. Everything else has lots and lots of problems with it. Yeah. And, you know, I just think that in a society where you're supposed to pay attention to 3,000 different things every day. It's overwhelming for most people. You got to be like, you got to be, you know, high, high attunement and abilities to just

live through a day, right? And this thing, this thing is creating all kinds of weird potential problems. We got to wrap it up, Bob. All right. We got to wrap it up. So, yeah, we love you. I love you, we'll see you. Would you have an X handle that you want people to follow?

Yeah, I got, well, I just do this thing with my kids. I'm trying to teach people how to parent, like, just with pictures and little things that we do. It's called Bob Forrest is a dad on Instagram. Bob Forrest is a dad. All right. All right. We'll have a great weekend, you guys. Got to go pick up my daughter piano lessons.

Okay, bye-bye. Cheers. Have a good week. Bye. All right. Ice, ice, the ice people? Well, what I was, I'm, I'm. mortified by the fact that ICE has to behave the way they do because of the Sanctuary

City thing. If things function the way they're designed to function, which is somebody breaks a law, they go in prison, they're handed over to ICE as part of the natural law enforcement mechanism. There's nothing. There's no problems. There's no nothing. Somebody's broken the law. They get deported. That's the way it goes. They're here legally. And then the ice stays to themselves. They just go to the jails, collect the people, and that's that. That's the way the laws work. And the other thing that that drive me absolutely crazy is, look, if we don't like, and I don't like the immigration's law particularly, we need immigration reform. But in the meantime, these guys are law enforcement people. Their job is to enforce the law that the legislator has created. That's their

job. If we don't like the laws, we should change the laws. That's not about those guys. So I think they get unfairly put upon because of the circumstance we've created. That's what I worry about. And then I don't like the look of how things are going. Nobody likes it. Of course. But there you go. That's my humble opinion. Our hot dog lady. I hope she had her passport. No, she was deported. But then why is she on the street with hot dogs? She's not a citizen. There's a whole thing about people, you know, the restaurant up the street has to have public health standards, has to have a business license, has to pay tax. She can stand out in front of that business and sell hot dogs.

She wasn't very smart if she wanted to stand the country. So, yeah. That's a great idea. But maybe she did it. Maybe she was a, you know, had a green card and it just got thrown in the bus. All right. So coming up. What are we got for next week?

We got a whole bunch of guests. Honey Boo Boo. Michael Malice is coming in studio. Honey Boo Boo. Yeah, I'm going to explain to who she is. We got to get some video together as people understand Honey Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo's story. Alana. Alana, yeah.

Sarah G's got some really interesting stuff on X. Follow him there. Peter Galulie will be here with that from TWC. Michael Malice in studio. Good at Bob. And then lots of guests. He's still alive. Sorry.

He was in rehab 17 times. 22. He was in jail 17 times. And I saw, by the way, I was the one that made everybody cut off. I had everyone cut off their relationship. We didn't tell this story. I had everyone cut off their relationship with him because I believed he was going to die. There was nothing we could do about it.

And I said, just this guy cannot come around. anymore, we're supporting a person's ongoing demise. You've got to stop. And then he disappeared for 10 years. And then I was giving a lecture with Bill Nye, the science guy, to a group. And in the group, it was something for a Bill Nye documentary. And in the group was this guy in a hat in the front row asking all these really good questions.

And the whole time I'm giving my lecture, I'm having this internal conversation with myself where I'm going, God, that guy in the front row looks like Bob Forrest. Bob Forrest is dead. There's no way that's Bob Forrest. And he walked up to me after the lecture. He was, hey, you know, we knew each day. We had a life together. Now, I literally felt like a ghost was talking to me.

It was the weirdest thing. And that's where we reconnected. That's where I found him up a Passing Recovery Center, where I stole him and brought him to Loss and seen us. And he just told you that story about how that all got gone. And then the celebrity rehab thing happened. Right. And then after I did my calling out podcast, I decided to do an addiction podcast.

Bob and Drew called This Life, hashtag, you live. And we did about 150 episodes. Did we do that many episodes? We interviewed 150 different addicts. We talked about a lot of stuff. I learned a lot. Is that up there still? Yeah, it's still there.

On Dr.com? Hashtagg, you live. Well, it was a podcast. There's some of them are on YouTube, but we didn't really do that much. There were some good ones on YouTube, sort of how this show began. I think Bob got tired of it. doing it. But I'm sure he did. It was a lot of work. But trying to book addicts is like hurting cats. It's the hardest thing ever. But he came, he showed up every time.

It was a little late a few times. But he was always there, which is not an addict. No, no, it's a recovering person. Accountable recovering person. All right, everybody, we are back on our usual schedule next week, I believe, Tuesday and Thursday at 2, Wednesday at 4. And we will see you then. Hello. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. Emily Barsh is our content producer. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis, or treatment.

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