Ask Dr. Drew - Quality Learing Center: Billions Allegedly Lost To Minnesota Daycare Fraud, While Your Tax Dollars Were Sent To China’s Military w/ The Quartering, Natalie G. Winters & Dr. Robert Redfield – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 572

Episode Date: January 6, 2026

CBS reports “industrial-scale fraud” in Minnesota after a viral video by X journalist Nick Shirley exposed billions of dollars in losses allegedly tied to fake daycare centers primarily run by Somali immigrants. Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (who ran as Kamala Harris’ VP) claims his admin has spent years strengthening oversight, but called Pres. Trump’s criticism “vile, racist lies and slander.” Federal authorities have charged more than 90 people in the scheme. But if it’s happening in Minnesota, could this same fraud be happening across the country? Jeremy Hambly is best known as The Quartering, a political and pop culture commentator. He is the founder of Coffee Brand Coffee. Learn more at https://coffeebrandcoffee.com and follow him at https://x.com/TheQuartering Dr. Robert Redfield is a virologist, infectious disease expert, and former Director of the CDC. He is the author of “Redfield’s Warning: What I Learned (But Couldn’t Tell You) Might Save Your Life” available now at https://amzn.to/3YPMcfk Natalie G. Winters is the co-host of Steve Bannon’s War Room and a White House correspondent. Follow at https://x.com/nataliegwinters 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • AUGUSTA PRECIOUS METALS – Thousands of Americans are moving portions of their retirement into physical gold & silver. Learn more in this 3-minute report from our friends at Augusta Precious Metals: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/gold⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or text DREW to 35052 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer & Booking • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Wonderful guests today, everybody. You've got Jeremy Hambly, best known as the Quartering, political and pop culture commentator. Hello to all of you on Rumble. You know him there. He is also the founder of Coffee Brand Coffee Company. Find out more about that at coffeebrandcoffee.com. Follow him on X at the Quartering. Then Dr. Robert Redfield joins us.

You know him as the former director of the Centers for Disease Control. It was on the White House Coronavirus Task Force. He has a book, Redfield's Warning, What I Learned, But Couldn't Tell You Might Save Your Life. He's got some more interesting insights, and he's become my guiding light. One of my guiding lights, certainly. And then finally, Natalie Winter is co-host of Steve Bannon's War Room, White House correspondent focusing on Chinese Communist Party,

and no doubt she will create nightmares in my house when Susan here's what she has to say. So, be right back. I love her. Starting with Jeremy the Quartering right after this. Our laws, as it pertain to substances, are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this, he was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin, ridiculous. I'm a doctor for a second.

Where the hell you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveland all the time, educate adolescents, and to prevent, and to treat. You have trouble. You can't stop.

and you want to help stop it i can help i got a lot to say i got a lot more to say all right i'm going to get right to jeremy just a second but i just want to say that uh i am confused about a lot of things these days and one of them is the fraud that's being uncovered in many states and that there should be pushback against it is astonishing to me It seems to me that this should be what we are attempting to do in good governance. So I'm very anxious to hear what the quartering has to say about this. And then when it comes to Dr. Redfield, he has a new theory that I find a bit astonishing, that this was a CCP-generated, Chinese Communist Party-generated product,

which we have been reporting on for a long time. We have talked to various renegades from the actual, what is our friend's name? The scientist, Ji, I can't remember her name. Yang Ming, Ming, Ming. Wee Meng Yang, who was actually working on this virus for the People's Liberation Army, was trying to get us to listen to what was going on here. And now it looks like Dr. Redfield has some ideas about that. And they will follow, of course, with Natalie Winters on that top.

about the CCP. There's more to be discussed there. But I want to welcome now, Jeremy, aka the quartering, to find him on X, the Quartering, Coffee Brand Co on X, coffee brand coffee.com, the Quartering on Rumble, the Quartering on YouTube. Anywhere else you want people to go? Hey, that's a lot already to remember. So it's just fine. Also on Rumble, of course, I think you mentioned that. And yeah, thanks for having me on. always a pleasure and you're going to help make sense of things for me i do so there's all so we have this young man nick shirley does an expose with his iPhone and one day he pulls out a 110 million

worth of what looks like absolute wild wild fraud we had heard that there is evidence of fraud um i am now hearing that this fraud has been known for quite some time but for some time but for some reason no one was willing to report on it. And I'm also hearing, we're going to start with this frame that Elon Musk had something to do with the amplification of Nick's story. Tell me if any of that's true. That's all basically true. And so it started where some of these arrests and criminal proceedings started even during the Biden administration, where there with some Somali jury tampering where they had like left cash on somebody's door to try and change their opinion on prosecuting this. These 70 or 80 so or so people that are currently

under prosecution, that's been bubbling up for a while. But a lot of times there's a local story and then kind of people know about it. But then it becomes a flashpoint. And that's what Nick Shirley's video, which was then shared by Elon Musk on X, really was. It really kind of took things to the next level. And the fraud, I think, in a lot of these states where, you know, immigrants, there are a lot of programs available to them. In the Midwest, where I live, it's kind of a running joke that, you know, they all own all the gas stations and subway sandwiches. But, like, in Minnesota, you know, the daycare thing turned out to be kind of the hustle. And we're finding out now, not just Minnesota, but Ohio and Washington State and many other areas have similar levels of fraudulent activity that's kind of all bringing, you know, being brought up to the forefront at once, which is wild to see.

here we have the governor from Minnesota right up alongside of you and if you can see that governor calls for call Somali fraud investigation white supremacy now to me this is the highest level of insanity like for us to investigate what our tax dollars are being are happening to and by the way I'm hearing that smally culture consider like sort of dumb not to take advantage of these things that we bestow them with. And why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you? Exactly. If you, particularly if you don't have a concept of fraud and it happened, okay, one of the things that is constantly falls out of human behavior research and businesses is if people have the opportunity to steal, they will steal. That's it. Not just Somalis, everybody. Now, if you also don't have a

concept of fraud, the stealing may be more, more egregious or extraordinary. And then here we go. Why is that white supremacy? What an asshole. Yeah, it's wild because even if you see a lot of the ways that this Somali community is reacting to this, they know. If we go back to, I think, 2021, 2022 when some of these court proceedings were happening, the Somalis who were being prosecuted were specifically saying that it was racist, that they knew, like, you could say whatever you want about, you know, the general intelligence of a group of people. they know how to take advantage of kind of these lunatic policies, like the social justice stuff. They know that if you just say, hey, that's racist, then people say, well, forgive it, please. I'm sorry, I didn't mean that. And you see it even now with Nick Shirley interviewing people and like, that's racism.

You have a problem with Muslims. You have a problem with Somalis. It's like, no, like, why do you have $4 million in taxpayer funds in an empty building with no daycare? Well, first of all, four million at all is insane. But it's funny to watch the media react to this too and saying, well, Nick's sure we don't know about his methodology. And it's become about everything else other than the fraud. Nobody would have cared about this. Did you see the CNN commentators?

CNN was like, you don't just walk up to a daycare and knock on the door. It's like, what if I wanted to put my child there? It's exactly what I would do. Precisely what I would do. And what if it was in my neighborhood? I'd want to know what's going on there. Any other business, I'd walk up and knock on the door. Yeah, it's so bizarre that that's the thing that, you know, well, geez, I mean, you see, you watch kind of the left, the people that are trying to cover for this, which I think is not a great hill to die on saying stuff like that, like, well, you want to burst into a daycare with a camera?

Well, let's hold on a minute here. First of all, there are no kids there. So why are we skipping over that? And it just seems so wild. It's like, here we go, 2026, brand new year, same old nonsense. And you don't, you just, it's so funny. to me how I don't know if you saw the memes I don't know if you're up on meme culture Dr. Drew but well here's a mean here's a meme with the leering center that's a good leering center is very good yes we're always always be leering um there's like this the meme where it's like you're racist and it was like 22 and people like oh I'm sorry and then like 24 you're racist and people like so like it just doesn't matter anymore I'm not saying people like I'm racist and I'm proud it's just saying that. And by the way, for that point, like, so you've got waltzed up against you talking about white supremacy. We, we, there is a argument to be had about white supremacy, in my humble

opinion. And sort of Eurocentrism, you know, are blinders in terms of if you're a white person, how you might see the world. We should be talking about that. Not using it as a weapon. Not a weapon. And when it becomes a weapon, it's disgusting. Yeah. I mean, when it's used as a, as a, as a, as a, tool to shut down speech or shut down justice, it becomes no longer worth discussing. And that's the problem. So if you have people out there, one of the earliest things I learned when I went to college, when I went to college long before they got totally ruined, we did discuss things like Eurocentrism and kind of understanding that you see things through a lens that other people

don't. And like, that's actually an interesting thing to always kind of do a self-check on and feel like, okay, you know what? This is, it's, yeah, you know what? I grew up in the summer. my whole life maybe things are a little bit different for other people but then when it's like hey you grew up this way so therefore your opinion is invalidated about then it's like okay well now i don't even want to get i don't want to look inward anymore now i just want to reject and push back that's right that's right and by the way if you want to see the greatest discussion about white supremacy look no longer than than um douglas frederick douglas he has wonderful rhetoric around this he's really gently trying to bring Europe into this understanding that you were just talking about as a student.

You would just try trying to get to the truth. But the truth evidently means nothing now. I would argue we should be looking for white people fraud. Let's go do it. Let's find it. I don't care who's doing the fraud in the government. I want our tax share of dollars to go where it's supposed to go. Right.

And that's the argument, Dr. Drew, is that there's a straw man that is constantly foisted on people who are looking at the stuff. And they say, you only care because they're Somali. You only care because they're Muslim. You only care. Look, if you go ahead, you show me white people are doing the same thing and I will stand shoulder to shoulder with you calling for them to go to prison too. This country right now. And by the way, by the way, Jeremy, let's not judge the Somalis for their cultural lack of

appreciation of something called fraud. Don't judge that. Prepare for it. Don't judge it. Because we have a sense of fraud. So let's put some boundaries in place. Let's not encourage them to break the law. Yeah, there's also, if you look at some of these other countries and cultures, when you look at, there's some documentaries throughout history where a lot of these cultures don't even have words for, like, repair or to take care of things.

And like, you can look down on it as a surface of a thing, but also you could also look at it like, well, maybe we need to educate these people and like understand, hey, no fraud isn't just like this thing that is okay. Like, it's not just free money for everybody and there's no consequences. And imagine, imagine you go to a country and you don't understand the laws and you accidentally break the law or your culture says it's a good thing to do something that's a bad thing there. You'd want to know that. You want to not do that for the most part. But anyway, but the governor, the guy, not the, not Walts, but who's the other? Was it in Ohio, a governor candidate that another asshole on full display, taking, going after

Nick Shirley? Tell me about that. Yeah, well, there is, there's, I mean, you have. have, first of all, I think the mayor or two of Minnesota is just like a kid. I think he got elected at like 18 or 19 or something, like very young. Wow. Yeah, it's with the Somali flag. Then you have, I believe, Ohio as well. And I think we're just a different populace now in 2026 and in 2025 where a lot of this like, you know, we're going to go after Nick. I mean, look at they say, oh, Nick's a, Nick's choosing the way until he's married. Why is he's a loser now?

Like, that used to be a good quality for people to be, like, they hold that against them. Like, well, Nick Shirley went on this podcast and said he's a virgin. It's like, wait, wait, but what about the fraud? So there's these government people that come out and they want to get you to look every which way, but at them. But I think the American people, if you look at X over the past couple days, too, there are people talking about tax strikes. You know, like people are really fed up with, this is why when Donald Trump won the election in 2020, 25. It wasn't, I mean, two of the biggest things were Maha and Doge. They were universally loved by just about everybody. And there's a reason that Doge are so popular is because it doesn't matter

how you vote. You're like, hey, I'd like to pay less taxes. And it's bad enough that they spend my money on X, Y, or Z I might agree or disagree with, whether you're a Republican. You'd say, hey, the government spends money on the Senate Democrat. Everyone has their own thing. Like, we'd like to keep a little bit of our money. And, you know, I think that they're trying and failing now to get people to look the other way and to go back to the kind of the 2020, 22, 23 time.

Like, you know, we can't look at this stuff because they're Somali. Look, it's all bad and they should all be prosecuted. By the way, I don't know that the people in charge of this program are Somali either, but they should be prosecuted.

Right. You know, the government officials that, you know, rubber stamp out of these deals. The government officials have qualified immunity, though. They can do whatever they want. This is why you have people line of the streets dying. It's not their fault. But explain to me again, this is all so confusing

to me, and that you're helping me sort of bring it into focus, but that I'm hearing that some of the fraud is being laundered through Act Blue. Help me understand how that's possible and what's going to be done about that. And where's the Justice Department? Yeah, well, that's what I'm hoping the pieces that they're going to put together. So you have, excuse me, Act Blue. Then you also have large amounts of Somali daycares donating a lot of money to government officials. Donating something dozens and dozens and dozens of these daycares donating the max to local Democrat leadership. Could it be a coincidence? Sure, it could be. But we've seen Act Blue over the years have a lot of countries that James O'Kee famously exposed like everyone having donations

to Act Blue in their name and he would go to their house and say, did you donate money to Act Blue, and they're like, no. So there's, I'm sure there's fraud on all sides, too. But with Act Blue, having money funneling into these two Act Blue from like these Somali daycare centers, it looks to the untrained country bumpkin farm field guy like me, a little like payoffs. I'm just saying how it looks. I don't know. Maybe it's completely legitimate. And all these daycares donated the max to the Democrat leaderships that just so happen to be in charge of this free money train for them.

Certainly, one thing I'll say is that the American people, I think, or the people who are at least interested in the story, they don't want, like, in 2026, I don't want people to tweet about it. I want them to be about it. So, you know, if the Republicans want to maintain power, they want to maintain this guy's stuff,

they need to make arrests. I don't, and people don't want just the low levelers that are making, you know, taking advantage of a loophole that already exists. People want people like, you know, Tim Walls is going to go test five front of Congress next week. Okay, great, big deal. People like me, like, yeah, so what? They put Zuckerberg up there. They put up all these people when they were looking at Section 230, nothing happened. So if you bring them to Congress and you ask me about this fraud, it's not going to do a lot. People have really moved past the, you know, the public humiliation into the like,

hey can we can we get a couple of proverbial heads to roll here hypothetically can we get some actual people fired you know uh impeached removed from their positions and i think that's what the american people really want now right or or can we change some laws which that's what i want i really yeah there are so many laws we don't even understand how egregious the laws are that are allowing for all this, this moving things in this direction. It has to be changed. But I also, Caleb just pushed up here as something about CBS.

I thought CBS was pushing back on all this. It looks like they're trying to be doing sort of an honest appraisal. Well, there was some initial CBS commentary that was trying to kind of go at the way that Nick Shirley had obtained his information. There were also some early mainstream media, I think jealousy, where they were kind of like, you know, CNN had this kind of bit where they were

like, well, how could just this kid expose all this stuff? It's like, well, because he went on on the streets, he did what you used to do. And, you know, work that you should freaking be doing. Yeah, exactly. I'm holding back on my cussing here because I have a very distinct assholes as far as I'm going to go, I think. But I have a very, I'm, there's other stuff on the tip of my talk. Yeah. And, you know, it's this behavior. that these people are manifesting that creates that kind of outrage. But the other interesting thing for me is Ilhan Omar's, who's usually terribly outspoken, always in the press.

He's real quiet now. She seems remarkably quiet, not totally quiet, but remarkably quiet. And then again, we can just look at her personal assets, and they went in three years, right, or six years, from $300,000 to $30 million? Please explain, Congresswoman, what happened here? Yeah, and this is a problem with everybody in Congress. You know, $175,000 yearly salary, net worth $30 million.

You know, it's crazy. You froze. Say that again. Oh, you know, it's crazy. This meme kind of extends to everybody in government, which is sickening as a taxpayer. But, like, you know, $175,000 yearly salary. 30 million dollar net worth Marjorie Taylor Green's worth

50 million 100 million everybody's getting rich and it's crazy to me that we just continue to pretend that this isn't a thing Ilhan Omar now worth 30 million dollars you know and her husband has been linked to several

she had this winery I believe if I'm remembering correctly in California that had some fraud you had some investments there's a lot of shady stuff around Ilan Omar's a husband or brother. I don't know which one. This is her second or third husband. Not that having a second husband is necessarily bad. But if your first one was your brother, that's a little curious to me. And I think she has gone suspiciously quiet. I don't think she wants to

really be poking her head up right now. Trump has kind of fixated on this. And this is one thing that he's very good at. He's like a dog with a bone. If people can remember that they're eating the dogs, you're eating the cats. Whether or not that was actually happening, it didn't matter because it was like all anyone was talking about. Now it's true for these Somali daycare stuff. It's, I know I'm probably out of time, but it's emblematic of, yes, there's a Somali daycare fraud of like all types in every state.

It's not just Somali daycares. It's, you know, this gas station loopholes. Not every state. Not every state. I don't think Florida's got this going on, but certainly California, Ohio, Illinois, New York. Let's find it. Let's go do it.

Yeah, there are many of these programs that, like you mentioned earlier, are probably, the thing is what people are going to be upset about is that these people taking advantage of these loopholes are probably doing something that's perfectly legal because the system that was set up to allow them to do it. So it's people like, well, they've got to go to jail. It's like, well, there was this completely unbaped program during the lockdowns that was handing out free money to everybody. I mean, good Lord, we're never going to get to. the bottom of all the PPP loan fraud and all that kind of stuff that that was going on. And so it's like at some point, we just, that's why I really want to bring Doge back, but I guess I don't know what happened to that. It's just maybe the swamp is too deep. I don't know. There, it just doesn't have teeth. It doesn't have teeth the way it did. It wasn't, it didn't

have the kind of relentlessness that Musk brings to every endeavor. He's, he's on to stuff. And we need another version of that. My last question, I, And this is something completely a left term, but it just occurs to me. You might have something interesting to say because I'm feeling a certain way about it. I'm feeling really bad for Rosie O'Donnell. I really am. I feel deeply moved that Trump derangement is a serious problem. I don't understand why I don't have it.

I don't, I don't, you know, just doesn't trigger anything. You're in the epicenter. I am. I don't think I even had Biden derangement, though I had frustration that we couldn't talk freely about his medical conditions, which were glaringly obvious to any third year medical students. Well, they talk about Trump's medical conditions.

Every time he's got a new bruise. And let me, I'm glad you mentioned that. I can roll up my sleeve here and show you solar perpera. I have the exact same thing. I'm 15 years younger. I have the exact same, or 14, whatever, 12 years younger. I have the exact same thing, okay?

And it's everybody who spends time outside who's on aspirin, get solar purper on their fore and thinning of the skin. I touch my mirror, I bleed. And I'm a lot younger. I wish for the vitality that Trump has. God, if I'm 80 with that kind of vitality,

I'll be so grateful. And yes, he is older. I'm sure it slows him down a little bit. And the other thing happens when you're overweight and over 75, your legs swell up because your veins, the little valves in the vein, don't work so well. And the treatment is, raise your damn legs, watch your salt intake. They gave

I have a couple more things to say about this. I'm glad you've triggered me. They were a support hose, which they gave him, but they're paying the ass. No one likes to wear them, and he doesn't like to wear them, like all my patients. And then finally,

they went on about this CAT scan. That's where they could have asked some interesting question, Jeremy. I want to educate you about this. He did not have an MRI. He did not have a CAT scan. He had a coronary calcium score, which is done with a CAT scan machine.

I could tell the way they were talking about it. They've not released the information, but the fact that he's on a combo cholesterol, excuse me, combo cholesterol medication, very powerful combination and aspirin means that they found something on the coronary calcium score, which would be very common for his age. I'm going to guess his calcium score is 2 to 400, and that's what they're really pushed on the cholesterol lowering medicine and the aspirin, even though his cholesterol is probably normal. And that's it. That's the cat's hand. And they didn't, because they're so freaking, and that's the word I want to. I'm holding back on. They're so effing ignorant, they don't know how to ask the right questions, and they're

making a meal out of skin thinness from son and legadema from aging. For God's sakes, what is wrong with journalism? Yeah, it's funny because it's so very predictable, too, like, look, Trump eats his McDonald's. I mean, what do you think? He's overweight. He's old. He's still got more energy than either one of us or most people anywhere near his age. but to go back to Rosie

yeah I mean the guy's up at 3 o'clock in the morning rates tweeting I feel bad for Rosie I feel really bad for her if I could get off for anybody any New Year's let me roll it into a New Year's resolution for people look at Rosie O'Donnell

this this is somebody who's a comedian who had a very good career you know a long time ago but you still like you know she's a comedian whoever the president whoever the president is it's probably not going to affect

most people's lives in a day-to-day way that you should be allowing it to ruin your life just like imagine the arms of an angel in the background if we had that song in the that Sarah Mary Glockland song I think the like this woman has been completely destroyed by

Donald Trump and she's had 14 years of her life taken from her It's all she can think about it. She fled the country and she's still talking about him nonstop. It's not that serious. She doesn't understand the kid's upset because she's upset. And I like Rosie.

I've always liked Rosie. And I really, I'm like, it's easy to make fun of it. But I'm like, I don't like this. And I don't know what she's talking about. She became an amateur neurologist and can diagnose frontotemporal dementia at a distance, number one, which ridiculous, missed the Parkinsonism with Biden. but okay and is upset by what he's doing

and I don't get the part that's why I worry about myself what is he doing what am I missing my favorite my favorite Dr. Drew is when she gives

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and she's talking about what you know Donald Trump be I mean in a world where like presidents will come

and presidents will go you've got to make the best you can with your life Please don't end up like Rosie O'Donnell out there, folks. It's just, I don't have, just look at her. She's not a happy woman. I will, I will pile on and say she's a cautionary tale,

and I feel bad for her that she's become that. My friend, it is great to see you. Coffee Company, Coffee Company, Coffee.com, the quartering everywhere. Anything else? No, thanks for having me on. Dr. Drew, it's always great to see you and to talk to you. And shout out to your crew working this holiday week, too.

Appreciate them. And thanks for having me on. Thanks, Jeremy. Great to see again. We'll see you in the new year. Happy New Year. All right. We are going to stay with the medical topic.

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Dr. Robert Redfield, former director of the CDC, GBMC.org. His book is Redfield's warning. What I learned, but couldn't tell you, might save your life. Get it to Amazon. Dr. Redfield has some new ideas, and I'm so grateful whenever he comes here to share them with us. Dr. Redfield, as always, welcome. Can you, before we launch into some of your new thoughts, why weren't you able to tell us during the COVID outbreak what could save our life?

Well, Dr. Drew, two reasons. Some of the material at the time and some of it unfortunately still is classified. Some of the material in the book has been declassified and I discuss it. And then the other is a lot of the discussions we had in the coronavirus task force. While they weren't classified, they were confidential, and we really weren't at liberty to go outside the scope of, let's just say, the inner circle that was debating it. But in the book, I tried to share what I now know that I can share, and since I'm no longer part of the government, and that's what I did. Was there a significant debate about six feet? To me, that was where the scales fell from my eyes. like that that I mean did you know it was a respiratory virus at that point you know what I mean

yeah we knew it was a respiratory virus and and and and I was pretty clear that we didn't have data I actually tried to see what data we did have on distancing and masking and distancing and I became a pretty strong advocate that there was no data for six feet there we did have some data that supported three feet. I also knew the implications. When we went to six feet, it really did mean the schools were closing. When you went to three feet, it really meant the schools could stay open. And I really did believe strongly that closing schools for K through 12 was caused much more public health harm than keeping those classrooms open. So it was really sad. Some people did presented as data and this you know i mean you've heard some of my colleagues say this is science and the

science says this but now now they admit that actually there was no science behind it yeah i i know when they were saying that i didn't know what they were referencing what they meant by that this was sort of a nonsensical statement it's the science like oh okay that's scientism that's not scientific method but that as it may i one of my prouder moments was i had a nightly news broadcast in los angeles during the heat of all this and as things were unfolding. It started, we started this little broadcast the day, it was with Alex Michelson, who now has a show over on CNN, shout out to Alex. And the day that Trump shut down, travel from China is the day we started. So to give you a sort of frame of reference

to how things were sort of unrolling out. And about two weeks in, somebody from the L.A County School Board came in and said, we've decided to close the schools. And I said, why? Who did you consult with? Based on what data? What is the risk reward of what you're doing? it's just the right thing to do they said i'm like why why is it the right thing to do who did you talk to one infectious disease consultant anybody who knows anything about this did you talk to anybody no it's just the right thing to do and then when it came time to it got even more bizarre more bizarre yeah it was very disappointing to me uh vice president pence and i discussed this i was more in his camp which was to approach the pandemic when it hit as

sort of like you would, a sporting event and taking a knee for, you know, week, 10 days, and then look at different activities and determine how do we want to adjust those activities so we could continue those activities in a safe and responsible way. The one area that I did advocate having some restrictions, I thought that we should require bars that people should have a seat at the bar. You shouldn't be able to have 100 people sitting around the bar. with loud music. But I thought the restaurant should stay open,

the business should should stay open. There really was no justification for closing down the businesses and restaurants, etc. It was just really a very heavy government overreach. Well, and then the outdoor dining was closed down, and that was done in L.A. County with violence. They shut down.

Any restaurant that dared to do that, they'd fence in the restaurant. and padlock it. These people, I don't understand why they're still in a position. We have a public health problem. We have a problem. They're not medical people.

They have no judgment. They wield their authority as though thus say it the Lord. We have a real problem. We have to do something with public health, it seems to me. Well, that's part of the reason and the message of the book that I just wrote.

And you highlight it. You do a great job on your show to try to improve it. But the reality is you can't have public health without public trust. And we've really lost public trust. There were so many mistakes made during the COVID pandemic. And I try to acknowledge the mistakes in this book, honestly and straightforward. The things that we got right, yes, but the things we got wrong, call it the way it is. I wish my colleagues would also step forward and just acknowledge the mistakes that were made

because there were a lot of very serious mistakes. Probably the greatest mistake, of course, was mandating the COVID vaccine. I think that was a huge mistake that was really government over. Terrible. It was not based on any type at all. It was just a strong opinion of certain people that said,

we know better for you than you do. And since you don't want the vaccine, we're going to mandate that you must take it. And we're seeing repercussions to that now. When you see the data about the lowest vaccine rates in the country that we've ever had, you know, it really is a direct

consequence of the government overreach where the government really took away personal choice. And we now know that, as you know, the MRNA vaccines have been responsible for significant vaccine injury, which many people only got because they were forced to get. And so there is a lot of anger about that in the public. And I'm sure you see in my clinical practice, I'd say about 15% of my clinical practice now is MRNA vaccine injury. and these people are quite injured. And I bet you very few of those people are over the age of 70.

And if we had just focused on the at-risk population where it seemed to have the most benefit and the least risk, it would have made sense. And it's still not mandated because the sanctity of the body, you and I know that is our do no harm is our job. And the government pays no attention to it. I think public health has got to have two things. First of all, you have to have clinicians in the job.

It has to be clinicians. This business of a sociologist and they're disgusting. number one. Number two, there has to be constitutional constraints on them that at all times, at all times, never, never overridden by anybody. And without those two things, we're going to get in the same mess again someday, it seems to me. Yeah, I think it's a real sad state of affairs. What happened with the vaccine mandates was a huge mistake. It should have never happened. A lot of credibility was lost by public health leadership. You know, I do think CDC, got it where it belongs, like you pointed out, in their last ACIP committee where they now

recommend the COVID vaccine for people over the age of 65, you know, with significant comorbidity risk for hospitalization and death. But it's very sad to see the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Academy of Obstetrics, you know, come out aggressively saying, how can they do this? They're denying children and pregnant women, the vaccine. And when you say, show me the data, It's just really sad that they've been, in a way, Kennedy's right, there's been a lot of corporate capture of that vaccine policy by these health organizations. Well, I think we're finally in the right place. I don't recommend the COVID vaccine for anybody under the age of 65.

And even then, I suggest to those people that it would be better for them to take the protein vaccine, the Novavax vaccine, because I am concerned that they're, more vaccine injury for the MRA and A vaccines than people realize. Sure. Just really quick, though. Am I right that over 70, you don't see that many adverse events? I would say that I do see, unfortunately, adverse events from vaccine injury. I'd say probably a majority of the cases that I have are under the age of 50.

And it's really tragic. That's where I see it. That's where I see it. And, by the way, there's several categories that have still gotten unnoticed by people. You notice how we don't see Potts syndrome anymore? Oh, COVID causes POTS. Yeah, got rid of the vaccine, got rid of pots. I've seen very bizarre coronary anatomy.

To me, this seems like the one thing. I've got one patient that had a right dominant system with a complete, ossified, almost, occlusion of the right coronary. And no disease anywhere else. I've never seen anything like that. I think that was the vaccine. And there's things like that I'm seeing. No, it does. I think it is.

The vaccines can cause it the MRI. Remember, spike protein is a very immunotoxic protein for the human body. And one of the key receptors for that is the H2 receptor. And that is the key receptor that lines all of our endothelium involved blood vessels. And this is why I tell people that really COVID and the MRA vaccine injury is really, really it's a blood vessel disease. That's what it is. Oh, yes. It's a, it's an endotheliitis, quite literally.

That's right. But it's wild to me. It's wild to me how it affected the coronary. So atrial arrhythmia is, atrial arrhythmia is, bizarre coronary anatomy, pot syndrome. No, we're not even having that conversation yet. So there's more to be had here. Susan, you want to ask a question. I was just going to say somebody on the YouTube feed last week said that their father had myokyditis from the vaccine.

And I was like, well, why are they still getting that vaccine? Isn't that for Omicron or? Well, but I don't. Dr. Redfield would give him Novavax, which I would too. And I tell my patients, I, Dr. Refiel, I tell my patients, I go, you can take it if you want, but I can't, I don't have the ability to recommend it because I don't know why we're doing it. You have no real risk from Omicron. The variant it will cover is not in our vicinity right now.

So I don't understand why I would recommend it, but you're certainly willing to do it. You can do it if you want. Would that about right? Yeah, I don't question. for anybody under age of 65, I just don't recommend it, period. You know, unless they're morbidly obese, body math index greater than 35 or something like that. And then I do restrict it to the protein vaccine. And I think, and I tell people the truth that the, you know, the mandates were just wrong.

It was government overreach. It's very hard to teach somebody, though, to undo something that they've been taught. You know, I always use the analysis of Arizona. You're tough. Yeah. You're like 45. That's a little tough. Okay.

Yeah. I just think that it was a big mistake. And hopefully we can get it clarified. And people who don't want to take the vaccine now, even that are at high risk for bad outcome, I don't, I say fine. Let's just get early diagnosis and put you on Paxloid to make sure you get treated if you're 70 years old and you get COVID.

The vaccine is, you know, right? Yeah. The big problem with the COVID-OVitis. vaccine, all of them, including the Novavax vaccine, it's non-durable. So it probably it's still spike. It's still spike. Yeah. The perfection against serious illness and death is probably only three to four, six months max. Yeah. And against, by the way, against a variant that may not even be around, but okay. But if you do a lot of vaccine injury treatment now, Do you want people to go to gbmc.org if they're interested in seeing you, anything like that?

Yeah, they can. I have clinic on Thursday and Fridays, and that's where to go to make an appointment. And I think one of the value that I have for many of the patients, I tell the story about one of my favorite patients now, and they're all special. But when I told her that she was the most seriously cognitive dysfunction patient I'd ever seen, she couldn't speak more than three words at a time, four words, maybe five max, because she couldn't remember what the next words were. And when I told her that, she broke out in tears. It was very awkward.

She left with her friend and had her come back the following week. I apologize to her for telling her the truth because she wasn't. I was the sickest person I'd ever seen in my practice, but maybe I could have done it in a kinder way. And she said in her own work, she said that I didn't, Dr. Redfield, I didn't cry because you said I was the sickest person you'd ever seen. I cried because you're the first doctor that acknowledged I was sick. And the vaccine injury patients are worse, you know, because they've been told by all the medical community that it doesn't happen. It doesn't exist. It's all in their head.

But the reality is it is real. And I've had a number of patients whose lives have been really turned upside down because of vaccine injury. Yes. Yes, me too. GBMC.org, if you want to learn more. So, but you've said something recently about the nature of this virus being an asymptomatic spreader for some sort of engineered something by the People's Liberation Army or the Chinese Communist Party. I've spoken to scientists that were working on the coronavirus background, a backbone rather, and they reported stuff like this. And even some of them were alleging that the release was sort of intentional, which I'm wondering if your theory would include that kind of justification for an intentional release.

What is this asymptomatic aerosol vaccine vector that you're contemplating? And why did you come up with that? So, you know, when I first saw the pandemic start in January 2020, you know, it was very unique. to me that when viruses go from animals to humans, it takes them a long time to learn how to adapt to transmit efficiently in humans. You know, SARS never learned how to do that. MERS didn't really know how to learn how to do that. So when this virus was immediately one of the most infectious viruses that I've seen, probably up to measles, I said it's, you know, I think this virus was taught how to infect. And then, you know, went to the medical literature like most people would do

that have an idea and hypothesis, and I found that in 2014, 2015, this laboratory in Wuhan actually published that they had taught coronaviruses how to infect human tissue through the H2 receptor by putting in a fear and cleavage site. So then I got more into the molecular biology of the virus. A lot of it was classified at the time and saw a lot of things that didn't make sense. The fear in cleaver site doesn't make sense, which changes the orientation of the binding domain for the human receptor. It had the interferon response element was knocked out, which means when you get this virus, it doesn't trigger interferon, which means you'd be asymptomatic. It also had three other regions that were modified that would change the immune system's ability to see

and develop a dominant immune response. And this is why you can get this virus over and over again. So my theory, and again, it's a theory at that time, back in 2020, was that this was part of a dual-use program. That was a military research civilian program, but it was really led by the military. And it was part of their biodefense program. They were developing a, in my view,

they were trying to develop a vector that could be used to vaccinate the Chinese military and the Chinese military, people and maybe beyond. And in order for that vector to be the right vector, first it needed to be transmitted by aerosol or droplets because they didn't really want to have to inject everybody. It had to not make people sick. So that's why they had to knock out the interfering response element. And they wanted to be able to use this vaccine, in my view, over and over and over again for different antigens, whether it was hepatitis or polio or measles or whatever, dengue or hemorrhagic fevers. So they wanted to be able to use the same vector over and over again,

so they didn't want it to orchestrate a dominant response. So I actually think this was part of the Defense Department's program in China to develop a vaccine vector that could then be used for various vaccines. Some people think it went beyond that, that once they learned how, you know, they'd use this as a vaccine, then it enabled them to potentially use. use this and weaponize it. I personally don't think they did. I think they were making this as a defensive vaccine program. And unfortunately, through what I've talked about, scientific arrogance, didn't have enough respect for the reality. It's very hard to contain respiratory viruses. And obviously, this virus, they were doing that work. We now know it's been declassified.

They've got good evidence that the work was really being done in a P2. level of containment, not even P3, definitely not P4. And obviously somebody probably got infected in the laboratory or multiple people. They were young. They didn't get sick. And it wasn't until it got out into the Wuhan community and got into the elderly that people noticed that they had a pandemic. And by the time December came along, you know, they had tens of thousands of people that were infected. Is it that they hadn't completed the sort of called experiment, that it still was making people sick and they hadn't quite gotten it perfected yet?

Or is it that they were moving it towards something more offensive? And by the way, are we doing shit like this? Is this stuff that goes on in the world now? Well, we definitely have a biodefense program, you know? And it's one of the things many people don't know in 2002, Dick Cheney moved that biodefense program from Fort Detrick and the army where I was, they took it away from the army and gave it to the NIH and put Tony Fauci in charge. So Fauci was actually in charge of almost a $40 billion biodefense program in addition to the $40 billion medical research

program. So there's a lot of potential conflicts that were going on there. But I do think there are a number of governments that have biodefense programs. And we don't have an offensive program in the United States since the late 60s when Nixon was president it was terminated and I think that's real I don't think we have an offensive program but you know some people do worry why do you know you know if they were trying to make a COVID vaccine then then they worried that there was obviously an offensive program I don't think they were trying to make a COVID vaccine I think they were trying to use the coronavirus as a vector for other vaccines yeah that makes sense. But you adeptly, adroitly avoided my question about us doing this kind of stuff. So I'm

going to take that as a yes. But be that as it may. You didn't put the, you didn't actually say it, but I'm going to take it that way. Explain to people one last thing. I got in crazy arguments with people about the fear and cleavage site because the people, biologists, there's coronaviruses have fear and cleavage sites, which I believe is true. It's just this entire clade does not in nature. and would not. This whole, yeah, this whole family of coronaviruses do not have a fear and cleavage site. The other thing you need to know about the fear and cleavage site, which I think is very telling. And again, it's been declassified, was when you look at that fur and cleavage site, two of the four amino acids.

So there's 12 nucleotides, four amino acids. Two of them are arginine. When you look at arginine, it can be coated. for by different triplets of the nucleotides. So you can have certain triplet that codes for arginine, but you can also have a different triplet that codes for arginine. It's the way they put the three letters together. It turns out that the coronavirus, COVID-19, arginine triplets that are in this virus, that certain people, like my colleague Fauci says, came from bats. Okay. That triplet that's in there for arginine is the preferred triplet in humans, not the preferred

triplet that's seen in bats. So why does this virus have the preferred triplet for humans when supposedly it came from the bats? The other problem I have with that theory of spillover is if you take COVID-19 today, because of the fear and cleaver site, it barely can infect bats very poorly. But it can very easily infect humans. Because what that fur in Cleveland site does is it changes the orientation of the binding domain within the COVID-19. So now it can see the H2 receptor of humans, but doesn't see the receptor effectively embats. So I think the data is pretty compelling that this was a highly engineered virus from gain of function research. I mean, it frustrates me that I don't think the scientific community has approached it honestly

because when you go do a literature search, one of the first things you'll find 2014-15 is the lab published a paper that they actually learned how to do it. Yeah. Yeah. And if you go to GROC or one of these AIs, they will not have this information. So we've got to figure out a way to push this out, whether it's maybe Senate hearings or a MAHA or something. We've got to push it out. Yeah, I think, you know, and hopefully, you know, part of the purpose of my book was to set the record straight about what we got right, what we got wrong. Part of it was to hopefully begin a path of regaining public trust and public health. Part of it, though, was to make people really aware of the risk of gain of function research, which I think we shouldn't be doing.

And really, in my own view, the real threat for the next pandemic, which would be a bird flu pandemic, which I think will like, not come from nature. It will be like, it will be like COVID. It will come from laboratory experiments. You're not the first person I've heard. Whenever I hear people getting worried about bird flu, I am not necessarily you, but it's in

the vapors. I just assume they're working on the bird flu. They're screwing with the bird flu now. That's their next one. They've chosen the coronavirus. They've chosen the bird flu and we need to stop them because the bird flu itself is not a problem. Unless we monkey with it.

Yeah, I'm sure they're doing it. And you probably know it's also discussed in my book. In 2012, scientists in the Netherlands actually did the experiments using gain and function research and taught bird flu how to infect human tissue by changing four amino acids. And there was a big debate at the time, and I argued against it. I didn't think we should publish that data. And, of course, Fauci and others argued it should be published. It was science.

I argued about dual-use research. We don't have to publish everything. Why give people a roadmap, how to make the virus? And unfortunately, I lost that debate, and they published the data. You know, you know me, Dr. Drew, I believe in God. I think it's sort of a miracle that no one's used it yet. But you are right. The virus has been created.

It's in laboratory freezers. And I just think it's a matter of time before it gets out. All right. All right. Well, that's a stark warning. But the bird flu has treatments, at least it has had treatments. I mean, the usual antivirals have some activity. It's your emergency kit.

Yeah, exactly. But, okay, this has been a fascinating conversation. I will do everything I can to push out your new theory because it just, it pulls together the whole story in a way that we can all kind of understand. It makes sense of it now. And I think we have to really do so. There's so much we need to come to terms with here, and this is just part of the story. And the real purpose of the book at the end of the day is we can prepare.

There's no reason why we can't develop, you know, 5, 10, 15, 20, very highly effective antivirals to birth flu. There's no reason why we can't. You know, when COVID hit, we didn't have ventilators. You know, Mike Pence went up to the Ford to get them to make ventilators after a car line. You know, we know that a respiratory pathogen is going to come and cause another pandemic. So let's get prepared. That's part of the book about getting prepared, having a proportional response to the threat. I've said a couple things that people don't agree with.

and one of them is that I think the consequence of the gain of function research creating the COVID virus is really much more and potential for bird flu is going to be more dramatic than the atomic bomb and its consequence on human health and human life. Well, I hope you're wrong. I just hope and pray you're wrong, but I can see where you could well be right. Dr. Repfield, thank you for being here, gbmc.org, and I always appreciate spending time with me and the work you're doing,

and so I'm just very grateful. Thank you for being here. well same to you and i love i love your showing what you do and and again also i my thanks to your staff on this holiday weekend to get this out there happy new year good to see you yeah god bless we love the shirt too we had some comments it's a sweater his sweater his wife gave christmas sweater oh people are commenting you can get it r ia okay so coming up we're going to switch gears again, but we're going to keep our focus on the Chinese, the People's Liberation Army and the Chinese Communist Party with Natalie Winters from, you can find her, let me see, let me get

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Medication we were talking about as some activity against the birth flu is Tamiflu. You can get, I think we have it in the field kit and the contagion kit at TWC. Health at a drug com slash TWC. And then finally, Fatty 15, there's some new data on the fats. Of course we got the fat story wrong. We've been pushing on, you know, on this show, on the seed oil. issue for quite some time. It was a great study that just came out that showed that people ate

more cheese, had less dementia. So we know that the dairy fat, monosaturated fats like C-15, and satechinoic acid that is in fatty 15, has significant health benefits. So I take fatty 15 every day. Susan and one of our sons actually experienced something, they feel better with it, the anti-inflammatory effects. I just want to live longer. And that's what I... My knees are less inflamed. So that's why I'm using it. And somebody told me that her, her sisters, arthritis went away and she could put her rings back on. Interesting. Natalie Winters, you can follow on X. Natalie G. Winters.

Nataliegwinters.substack.com. She, let's see, get some data on Natalie. She, of course, co-host of Steve Bannon's War Room and the White House correspondent, focusing amongst other things around the Chinese Communist Party. And she has written something recently on her substack that is going to make Susan's hair stand up. Natalie, welcome the program. How are you? Hi, thank you so much for having me.

So tell me about these funds that resulted in a congressional investigation where Chinese military was receiving U.S. tax dollars. If we weren't in the season of fraud everywhere, I would consider that incomprehensible. But now I'm like, yeah, sounds about right. I think it's not just fraud. It's essentially a racket, right? We hear all these members of Congress talking about how the Chinese Communist Party is our existential threat. Meanwhile, they're essentially approving. I guess at this case, at least not really doing anything about stopping millions of taxpayer dollars from flowing to China.

I think it picks up quite nicely what Dr. Redfield was just talking about. Obviously, we did not learn our lessons from COVID-19 in the lens of bio, whether they say it's defensive bio-researcher or offensive in the case of Wuhan. But now we're seeing a lot of these kind of industries or vectors. that the Trump administration is focusing on, and rightfully so, whether that semiconductors or rare earths and critical minerals, which of course the Chinese Communist Party in their own text, their own five-year plans, their own military strategy has identified these as sort of, you know, not necessarily kinetic ways they're trying to wage war against the United States, but really building up these domestic industries, unshoring production and not just onshoreing it,

but dominating the markets. These are two areas where we've seen that happen kind of immensely. and certainly since Trump won. And what my investigation found, which like you said led to Congress now probing into it, is that there are dozens of studies that are concurrently being funded by U.S. government entities and

also basically the Chinese military counterpart in these respective fields. So if you look at the semiconductor thing, you're talking about the Institute of semiconductors of the Chinese Academy of Sciences. And that one's particularly egregious. The

U.S. Army, not even just the NIH of the National Science Foundation, was actually funding research that was being conducted by this group that their basically sole purpose is to help China dominate the whole semiconductor industry. But what's also really concerning, and I know Susan has talked about this a lot, but this idea of money flowing to American researchers who are sort of double dipping through the 100 talents or 1,000 talents program, which has been flagged by the United States government is basically not just espionage, but straight up IP theft, just absolutely robbing the United States of everything that gives us a scientific edge. And the United States government is funding thousand talents researchers working for the Chinese

military. It's not conspiracy. You can see it very clearly on these research papers. And like I was saying, in the rare earth aspect, you're talking about China's. It's what it's called their state key laboratory of rare earth materials chemistry and applications quite a long word but this entity has dozens of studies that the united states government weather through the national science foundation a lot of times it's coming from the department of energy that's probably the worst offender where they're funding what the united states internalizes the sort of innocent or innocuous research but in reality it's not just military civil fusion it's outright military application So somebody asked me something earlier in the show when I was talking to Jeremy, which was, what's happened to Doge?

Is it just been declawed? Is it still underway? Do they need a driver like a relentless musk in place to be able to do anything? Are they still around? They're not. It's been a few months since I think they have died to use a term. And I will say, you know, I don't think it's any secret where the war room where our audience falls in terms of support. President Trump, our audience, a lot of grassroots people helped get him elected. But I think they helped to try to get them elected on this message of accountability. And while the Trump administration has had some really good rhetoric on, you know, stopping the fraud, ending the abuse, take your pick, I think there is a lot of room, a lot of desire still left on actual ramifications

being seen. Not just for the people who are misusing the funds, but more so for the people who allowed it to happen, right, the people who have the positions of power. It's not just about deporting illegal aliens. It's about holding accountable, the NGOs, people like Secretary Mayorkas, the people who actually enabled it to happen. So I don't know where that accountability has gone. You know, I'm glad Congress is now all of a sudden investigating, you know, this stuff. But on the other hand, I mean, how many actual meaningful issues die in the halls of Congress? I mean, virtually all of them, whatever comes out of their committees, not much. So, you know, I'm not necessarily holding my breath. I think the issue is that the reason why people talk so much

about China is not because they want to do anything. It's because it's a really nice bipartisan talking point that allows them to basically balloon the defense budget. Not that that's, you know, that's its own discussion to have, but there's not really anything super meaningful that you see in return. I think it's probably probably been six or eight months since I last talked to you and you've turned more pessimistic since I last phone to you. More, uh, um, it's a deeper word. It's a deeper word than pessimism. It's like you've lost faith. You've lost faith that we can do something here. But I know this has got to be in your crosshairs, but China has been saying in the new year some very scary things about Taiwan. I'm feeling a substack coming my way, but without telling

us too much, so people still have to read that. What do you thoughts? Well, I actually had the honor and absolute privilege of interviewing the vice president of Taiwan a few months ago. Not a substack exclusive, was an ex-exclusive and he streamed it on War Room and I essentially, you know, talk to her about that.

Obviously, the DPP being in power there, I think they share in some ways what is MAGA's understanding of the Chinese Communist Party. They view them as the existential threat and they're doing everything they can to establish, to practice, to build up deterrence. But they have a lot of

internal opposition to as many stories as I can write here about whether it's the United Front Work Department, the myriad of people who are just in some cases on the payroll of the Chinese Communist Party or various kind of proxy entities. They have it tenfold. And I always think that that's why Americans should really watch what is going on in Taiwan with a very, very close eye because they are sort of on the front lines of really kinetic Chinese Communist Party aggression. But the key there is that it's not just the kinetic action that should scare us. It's sort of the gray zone hybrid stuff that you see in the lead up to it, whether it's election interference, whether it's cyber attacks, whether it's propaganda information, misinformation. I use those terms in their actual definitional sense, not the way that they've been distorted here.

But you really can learn some lessons about the kind of playbook that they've rolled out there. And also this kind of narrative framing that America's not a reliable ally. That's, I think, probably the most powerful message that we've seen the Chinese Communist Party push there. But like I said, the ruling power there, at least from the president perspective, within their legislature, it's a little bit of a different story. You know, they have a political party, the KMT that is pretty, I think, open in their, you know, kind of efforts to at least not, I guess not even back channeled to out front, outright channel with the Chinese Communist Party. but I think that it's actually quite an interesting political dynamic over there because like I was saying the PRC infiltration is whatever you think we got going on here, it's worse.

But yeah, maybe a forthcoming substack, but I encourage people to watch the interview. It's quite interesting. Yeah, you know, the one thing you can rely on the Chinese Communist Party to do is not waste energy doing any sort of kinetic action if they don't have to. And so they lay the table very, you know, systematically and carefully. And when I heard some of the rhetoric, I don't know if you heard this.

Today I heard some of it where they're like, well, by the end of the year, we'll have Taiwan is sort of what they were saying. And they were sort of alleging that it would be a kinetic takeover. And I thought, no, they'll just walk in one day. And they may be right. America is not a reliable ally against that kind of thing. It's really not future administrations necessarily. Well, yeah, that's always, I think, the. the downside right of the four-year term. And, you know, to be, to be honest, not that I'm being

jaded or blackpilled, I think I'm doing quite accurate, but I think the Trump administration's tone on China has significantly shifted from Trump one. I think the way that he is engaging with them, you can see it in his rhetoric, but I think if you also look to his actions, it's not viewing them as the existential threat that I think he spoke about them as on the campaign. I mean, You even see it in the national security strategy, not just that they're refusing to call China out, despite calling out countries that engage in not just the authoritarian human rights abuses, but currency manipulation, IP theft, the trade practices, seeking to basically dominate all of our manufacturing industries. But I think you see it in just how he engages with Xi Jinping, even the fact that he's going to Beijing, and Xi Jinping is not coming here in the deals that they're cutting with the semiconductors, the chips, giving things that. that I think a Trump won, not just President Trump, but a cabinet and a lot of the China official, you know, the kind of China dust, certainly the NFC, would have not not approved. Again, you know, we're just about a year into the administration and, you know, I don't think that they've gone totally soft on China, but I think that there is a market shift.

But I would say, it looks to me, and this is my humble sort of naive opinion, that they have, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're breaking. bringing everything stateside. They're taking it all back from China, all the manufacturing whatnot that they can. And so that they can be more liberal with the actions they take against China without having dire consequences are in our economy here. And it seems to me, correct me if I'm wrong on this, that somebody, I, you know, Rubio is doing such, I think he's doing a very good job. And it seems to me he would be making it clear to China that if they went to Taiwan, it would not just be us. It would be Japan, Korea, Indonesia, Philippines. We would all line up against them. Is that wrong? Well, I think that's what they've been working towards. I think you see that

with the expanding alliances in the region. Obviously, the legislature over there is in the midst of debating their sort of defense spending packages. And like I said, there's a lot of internal opposition holding there, which the only reason why that is so important is because I think you have to contextualize that inside of the sort of America first, the idea where we will meet you right where you are, we're not just going to send out use a turd pallets of cash to countries in exchange for nothing. But I think that the DPP has demonstrated that they're willing to do that. But I also think, too, you have to under, not you, but just in general, I mean, the Trump administration, to some extent, their hands are also pretty heavily tied. When you see the way China

has leveraged their monopoly on what we were just talking about, the rare earths, right? There's only so much that the Trump administration can even do. And that was, I think, really, the downside of the four years of Joe Biden, because in that interregnum period between phase one of the Trump-China trade war, which I don't even like that terminology, because that's victim-blaming, right? It's China that's been waging that. But China basically set out in those four years, they amplified, they increased their efforts to shore up basically a upwards of 90% monopoly, not just on critical minerals and rare earths themselves, but more importantly, the processing. So even if the Trump administration wanted to do, you know, 100% more, their hands

really are tied. And what was described as the nuclear option, it was when they threatened to basically pull all of the processing. And that's an important distinction. It's not just the minerals. It's also the processing. But so that's why it's so complicated. But people, but they're trying to work on that. And Greenland has a lot of those rare earth minerals after all. Let's pay attention to that. But so before we kind of wind things down here, What else is on your radar these days? Well, I got super radicalized with everything that is going on in Minnesota, as I'm sure your viewers have too. I think that's a great example.

Like I say, it's not just broad. I think it's a racket. And before we get into maybe some of the stories that I've done, the political ties linking it to Act Blue, there was a series of grants. I just think it's quite illustrative of the problem going on there that were distributed. I believe in 2023 because there was a problem where dozens of these Somali migrants would come to Minnesota and then they would go and join terrorist groups in the Middle East. And the Minnesota government and federal government's response was instead of saying maybe we should stop importing a bunch of potential terrorists is actually no, we're going to launch a federal pilot program whereby we're going to use hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to give it to Somali community organizations where these terrorists are coming from and try to

stop them from creating terrorists. Now, that sounds like a really complex way of solving a very simple problem, which is that Minnesota probably just doesn't need more Somalians, let alone Somalians pipelines into becoming terrorists and countries that are attacking the United States. But obviously, I'm sure by now everyone has seen the videos, obviously Nick Shirley did a great investigation. But I think if you take this to its logical conclusion and what is, I think, even the more damning story, it's how this links into the political apparatus, the Democrat political machine, because obviously so many of these centers had dozens, in some cases, nearly a hundred flagrant violations from the government for basically being fake companies.

And what you see when you look into some of these groups, one of these groups iseroon, for example, which got $3 million to just renovate a new building. It was in Bill Text. It wasn't even appropriation. They created a special session to give them millions of dollars. The founder of it also runs a PAC called the Somali American Woman Political Action Committee. where they're doling out thousands of dollars, just because of campaign regulations,

I'm sure it's probably more, to a bunch of Democrats in the state, including but not limited to Keith Ellison, while also hosting events alongside Tim Walts. The lady spoke alongside Tim Walts at the inaugural Somali Day at the Capitol in, in 2023. Meanwhile, they're packed. Same lady who's receiving millions of government grants.

They're pumping out money to support candidates who are helping to combat. dehumanization of Muslims to support equity to end racism and advocate for refugee and reproductive rights. I don't think that's a bipartisan. I think you call it a racket. Racket and speaking being blackpilled, the fact that people defend the investigation or push back on the investigations, that blackpills me. I can't believe some of these asshole journalists and asshole politicians. They're truly showing themselves to be. just that. Their job is to govern and to use our dollars effectively and they clearly failed

and they should adjust course. Good, but not pretend it's not happening or blame the victims, which are the taxpayers. Well, in some cases, you have Politico journalists, you know, quote tweeting Nick Shirley saying that all the Somalis in Minnesota should learn about, you know, stand your ground laws. I mean, maybe we can appreciate that he's advocating assimilation, but I think that's probably the only time of Politico reporter has ever said, you know, anything assimilating to American values is not racist. But, I mean, it just goes to what I was saying in the beginning. There's no demonstrable value add to these communities from a bunch of, you know,

backwards third world cultures that are failed states, especially when they're stealing more billions of dollars from the United States government than the actual GDP. I'll actually push back on that. Because I don't want to blame these people. I want to blame the people that handed them the money. and of course, of course they do what they do. You know what I mean?

That's not their fault. That's the people that handle them the money's fault. They're the ones that are handling my money and proving then again and again and again that they are the worst allocator of capital on the planet. And I don't understand why everybody doesn't understand that. This is just further evidence of that. Well, I think because no one's ever been held to account,

and I think if you play this story out from beginning to end, which is, you know, how did a bunch of Somalians even end? up in Minnesota, right? And why this town? And if you trace the money, you'll find not just that it's these left-wing NGOs, but it's also these sort of, you know, globalist multilateral institutions, whether it's the World Health Organization, you know, through the lens of health equity, the United Nations, these, you know, migrant rights groups, they're all euphemistic terms, right? They're basic, it's modern day human trafficking through a different lens. And a lot of these, you know, so-called charities are also simultaneously fund-reasing.

on Act Blue. And a lot of those charities that are involved with border work in the United States are also fundraising on Act Blue. And it just makes you wonder where exactly all this dark money is coming from because I don't think as woke as the people of Minnesota may be that they want their tax dollars to be going to this. Well, I would love you to stay on that hot on that trail. And we will look to you to do that. You're our source. And we appreciate it. Natalie G. Winters on X, war rooms where they will find you. I don't want her to go. I'm not going to send her go. I want to make sure there's anywhere else you want people to go before Susan asked her question. That's all. And Susan, I love how passionate you are about the Chinese Communist Party. We need

more people like you. Well, I watch, you know, I look at X and Instagram and I see a lot of these fake like news things about China and Venezuela and maybe, you know, they're going in to pick up oil because Trump said they couldn't have the oil and then they're bombing Venezuela and then there's, you know, the Chinese are behind it because they want the oil and blah, blah, blah. And I want to know what your take is on that, especially personally because I may be on an island

really close to Venezuela soon and I want to make sure it's safe because if there's a war, I'm not going to fly over there. Well, I would be very careful. I'm not the person to be asking on that front. You know, obviously they're not just sort of the Bell and Road, But in general, they've really expanded their control over that entire continent. But I think that the bigger point is, too, I think we've seen so many American military resources,

more from a kinetic angle, be redeployed and positioned there through the lens of focusing on the Western hemisphere. But I think, as we've discussed on war room many times, and I'm sure, Susan, to some extent, you maybe share my view on this, too. I think the existential threat is the Chinese Communist Party and I think that the front line of that fight it is a misdirection play to make it Venezuela or to make it

third order, fourth order countries when Taiwan and that region actually having resources there I think is the better way to deter and I think if we had a stronger posture there that in a weird way even though it's regionally different

I think you would probably be safer going there I'm always a fan of travel so you should go, but I'm probably not the person to ask. Natalie, for State Department, I'm telling you. It's exactly what I thought. I was like, this is all a Chinese thing. I know it is, but, yeah, I don't know. I just worry about that for everybody.

Yeah, of course. There will be no peace, Natalie, now. So thank you for that. So in this household, I'm talking about it when we travel. We're going to be really close to San Juan Puerto Rico so we can get away. Oh, tell her this. The military is, is there, a lot of military stationed in

Puerto Rico? I don't know that to be so. I know the, I know they've moved resources into the region, but I don't think about Puerto Rico as being a major outlet. Military hub. Are they? I think it's more repositioning of ships.

Yes. So I think for now, maybe they're spared, but who knows? You turn the heat down a little bit right there. So, okay. No, I mean, if I can get off the island and get on to, you know, safe ground. I don't want to be in a no-flying zone.

If you get off the island and onto an aircraft carrier, you'll be fine. Okay, fine. A passing destroyer or something. If you can get on that, that'd be great. I mean, if we could start in February, that would be much better. Because we're going to end of January. Oh, Natalie, we appreciate it so much that you're on top of these stories. We appreciate you sharing them with us here, and we'll look free at the war room and your substack.

Thank you guys. You got it. Natalie Winters, everybody. So, Caleb, let's throw up what's coming up here. We're going to be back again with everyone our normal schedule next week. Tuesday is when we'll start up and I believe it's normal time. I give Caleb a shot. Yes, real quick.

Thanks, Viva. Viva just rated the stream. Thanks Viva and all the Viva's fans are coming in. Oh, nice. He rated us. They went. Should we stay another half hour? They left us for a minute for him and now they're back.

We appreciate it. But here, look at all these great guests come. We have, why is J.P. Spears up there twice, Caleb. I mean, he stole all of our audience. like in the middle of our show and then they all came back. But thank you for coming back. We really love Viva people.

Very appreciative. Let's bring Viva on over. I don't see Viva on the list here. Why don't we put Viva on the show? Salty Cracker, J.P. Spears, Peter McCullough, Peter Sandon, we've got just really, he put 212 twice. Caleb is, I mean, Emily Barshman,

hard at work here. He put what twice? He's taking it off. I can see it. Never mind. The J.P. Spiris, that's taken off. It's funny. All right. So listen, this is a very interesting show for me. I feel smarter. I feel like I'm clearer about certain things. I had no idea what Dr. Redfield's theory really was about this vaccine. And I'm convinced he's on to something. It makes the pieces of the puzzle kind of fit together a little better. Natalie, again, we will always look to her for the truth. And maybe it's scary sometimes, but we appreciate her fighting, fighting, fighting for that. And then Jeremy and his

commentary at the quartering. We, is always useful to help us clarify our thoughts. And so we will be, let me double check the timing, Caleb, that we were in fact at two o'clock next week on Tuesday. Yep. And then we are at four o'clock on Wednesday and back to two o'clock on Thursday. And so we will see you next week with Sean White, Frank Morano, and Tyler Merritt. See you then.

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