Ask Dr. Drew - Rob Schneider: FL Surgeon General Ends ALL Vaccine Mandates… Why Does Pres. Trump Oppose? w/ Dr. Peter McCullough & Christina Bobb – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 529

Episode Date: September 12, 2025

Florida Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo made a surprise announcement that MAHA has been waiting for: ALL vaccine mandates are ending in the state. “Is it appropriate for a government or any other entity to dictate to you what you should put in your body?” says Dr. Ladapo. “No, it’s absolutely not appropriate. You have sovereignty over your body…” Ladapo assured CNN the vaccines will still be available to anyone who wants them – just not mandated. Donald Trump, however, does not fully agree with the change. The President, who recently dined with tech moguls including Bill Gates, said: “You have vaccines that work. They pure and simple work. They’re not controversial at all. And I think those vaccines should be used; otherwise, some people are going to catch it and they are going to endanger other people.” Dr. Peter McCullough is a cardiologist, internist, and epidemiologist, serving as Chief Scientific Officer of The Wellness Company. He co-authored “Vaccines: Mythology, Ideology, and Reality” and “The Courage to Face COVID-19.” Follow at https://x.com/P_McCulloughMD Christina Bobb is a national security attorney, former OAN reporter, and author of “Defiant: Inside the Mar-a-Lago Raid and the Left’s Ongoing Lawfare.” She served as Senior Counsel for the RNC’s Election Integrity section. Follow at https://x.com/christina_bobb Rob Schneider is an actor, comedian, and star of Netflix’s “Real Rob.” He authored “You Can Do It: Speak Your Mind America!” Follow at https://x.com/robschneider 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rob Schneider joins me in mere seconds. Then Dr. Peter McCullough, I don't know if you were listening to the Ron Johnson Senate hearings today, but we'll be discussing both with Rob and Dr. McCullough, those hearings, which were quite impressive. Then we will be visited by Christina Bob. She has looked at the 2020 election. She has a book from 2023 called Stealing Your Vote. All that after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre.

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I misstated her new book. That was her old book. The new book is defiant inside the Mar-a-Lago raid. ongoing lawfarers. We'll talk a little law for it. But right now, someone who needs a little to no introduction, Rob Schneider. Hello, my friend. Thank you, sir. And I want to thank you for not only stating what needs to be said in a real clear and concise, but also, you know, talking when you were having that conversation with Cuomo. And it really is, first of all, having any conversation with Cuomo is difficult because it's basically like talking to

a ripe pumpkin he's just um he asks he's about as inquisitive as a pumpkin and as the same no no come on intelligence levels i would defend him and i defend you to him and him to use he's he's he's a very bright dude and he but he knows and he's not he's not he's not and he's not he plays the devil's advocate and because he really but he doesn't do it out of anything except ignorance but anyway so i'm glad that you're able to say that because so much of our medicine it not only when comes to vaccines, which has been the hot button radioactive topic, as you and I know for over a decade now. It's all of our patient care needs to be dealt with not on the, but simply from the standpoint of the individual patient for what the doctor and the patient decide to do with

each other, as opposed to this draconian idea that, you know, all drugs are, or need to be, you know, given to all patients all the time. And as you know, there's never been a drug. And vaccines are drugs that is 100% safe, 100% of the time for 100% of the people. And so if you do have risk, like what you said so eloquently, there has to be a risk-benefit analysis to all this stuff. And the first most important part, which stymied the other guest on Cuomo's show, was do no harm. First, do no harm.

And there really isn't. I mean, the problem with a lot of people in the medical establishment is they just say these grandiose assumptions. And it's basically repeated verbiage, which is that there are so many of these tests. We have so many of these studies. And there really isn't. You know, for the hepatitis B shot, just to pummel this into the ground even more. The only reason it was given to the children was because in 1990 under Bush 1, Merck, who, who spent a billion dollars on the drug.

And, you know, they, it was originally supposed to be for teenagers and people in their 20s who were engaging in these unsafe, whether it was sexual or whether it was needles, and nobody was taking it. So what they said, and it's in the New York Times in September 1990, it's, if Merck said, if they're not going to take, if adults won't take this, we'll give them to babies. And it was that, it was that, it was that specific. And that, to me, devious, because it really wasn't about, and it kind of led the way for what's happened in the last 34 years, 35 years since, is that you have patient care that isn't on the base individual, basically an all, you know, it's like a spray paint. They're just kind of all encompassing stuff. So, but I think now you have, with Robert Kennedy, I mean, you know, a truly a lifelong Democrat. And there is no name that speaks of.

of Democratic Party more than Kennedy. And so for the Democratic Party to just attack him. Now, one person to come over and say, I agree with at least this, what he's saying, it's a real telltale sign, a telltale sign of where we're at politically, but also where we're at in the power of pharma and the medical industrial complex to control the conversation and not just control the conversation, but actually to control legislation and the control the way our medicine and our health health is given out to our people. So I think when you say something is captured, I think

you can safely say our medical establishment has been captured. Have you seen the Ron Johnson hearings this afternoon? They're very interesting. I did not say to them. Ron is fantastic. So this was a committee hearing. This wasn't in front of the full Senate, obviously. No. This is just getting the data together. It was really quite interesting. It was really well done. And there was some excesses on both sides. But I think the ultimate, Ron is the perfect, Senator Johnson is the perfect guy to mediate this. And it was, you know, I interviewed him a couple of years ago.

And it's interesting to see his level of sophistication. I was way up. He is all over the data. But Rob, there's a couple things you said I want to comment on. One was I was in and around the hepatitis B research, the vaccine research. My residency director was all the lead research centers for this. And we were developing that vaccine for maternity.

fetal transmission in China, where they had a big problem with hepatitis B being translated to kids. That's what we were doing. Then we had the vaccine. And when we had the vaccine, we were like, oh, this will be good for health care workers, too. So we also gave it to health care workers. That was it. The idea that we give it on hour one of a baby's life in every baby in the country, my understanding is the World Health Organization was involved in this too, is insane.

There is not a baby born to a mother in this country who has hepatitis B that we don't already know that she has hepatitis B. And that baby needs the vaccine, all six to 800 of them, not the 100 million that are being born every decade in this country. It's wild. It's the wildest thing I've ever seen. So to me, the hepatitis B thing was one of the first sort of alarm buttons for me. And, you know, I bought Jenny McCarthy in here, and I apologize to her for being dismissing. of her vaccine questions. She was just a very active questioner. And I've never apologized to you,

and I'm not going to, because unlike with Jenny, when you told me to read stuff, I would read it. I wouldn't say, oh, my friend Rob is. So now I go, I want to hear, Rob's a smart guy. Let me, what is he looking at?

So you gave me turtles all the way down, and he gave me all these books, and I read them. And it started my journey. You did, but you know what I like about, what you are malleable, And what has to happen to science is science has to be open-minded to it. The idea that the ignorance of science is settled is simply, what it does is it stops asking questions.

And science must always continue to ask questions and to be humble. Yes. Because when you're talking about somebody's health and we're talking about the health of a nation, what we've really done, and I don't mean to say that these medical interventions are completely useless. But I'm saying that, well, we, the trade-off that we've done, and you have to look at the, you know, the empirical evidence. And the empirical evidence really stands for itself. We have traded in for the giving up so kids don't get measles and mumps and whether it's rebella or these other ones. What we have traded in is we've traded those childhood natural diseases that informed and boosted the immune system, we can safely say, we've traded it for, what we have now, which is a lifelong chronic diseases for many people.

And now you have children, and this is an old statistic that the NIH stopped giving out over 10 years ago now. But I think this is from 2013, 2014, 54% of America's children now suffer from chronic illnesses that were unheard of when you and I were kids. And we have to be able to know that. And we have to say there's something wrong. So, I mean, I just remember there's some stuff you cannot see. say is definitive.

But there was a man in the early 1970s that had, you know, and this is the Colden to World Health Organization, who had multiple sclerosis, got smallpox, and it's so supercharged his immune system that he recovered from his multiple sclerosis. So I think, you know, the humility that we have to, that we don't understand everything with how our human body works and how the immune system works,

the more humility that we approach with it, The more chance we have to, as you say, do no harm and to make incremental adjustments as opposed to something that could be what's happening to our country now, as we really have children who, you know, with obesity, childhood diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, allergies, peanut allergies. And I'm starting to understand some of the reasons for some of it are becoming clearer. And I don't speak as a physician. I just speak as someone who's interested and semi-knowledgeable from a layman's perspective and say that, you know, the aluminum adjuvants, which cause, which were in these vaccines, what it does is it, these are not inert. These are something that does have an effect because the effect for the vaccines is to cause an immune response.

And they want to be able to measure that. And so for some people, it is a, it is not a. cataclysmic event in their immune system. For some people, it is. And so until we can find out the genetic predisposition for these patients, we have to make the assumption that it is not safe for everybody and it is not okay for just to jam 80 shots into kids before the age of six. And I'm grateful that this conversation is happening.

And I would just ask that the other people who question vaccines to have the same kindness and the same open-mindedness to the medical. establishment so that we don't repeat those with our own sense of we know it all we need to also and be open to continued science and we just say like for people who you know who said who were worried about the measles exploding again and mumps exploding well i will tell you right now that more people died statistically empirical evidence more people died um from the Scarlet fever, then smallpox. And we do not have a scarlet fever vaccine.

We do have a vaccine for tuberculosis, but virtually no one takes it. But yet we don't have this explosion in tuberculosis outbreak. So to make the assumption that we don't have this outside the drug, I'm serious, we don't have that outside a very specific group of people, which is homeless and drug. It's exploding there, but it's in Southern California, I treat it. It's all over the place. people don't understand how common it is now it's become an endemic thing here because because of us on attending to drug addicts in the street and mentally ill but but let me let me i just want to do

two quick things i want to get away from the vaccine for a second because i know you've got to go pretty quick um you'll like this i mean i my susan has heard me say this until she's sick of it but i was raised by an old family practitioner and his he hammered into my head medicines are dangerous they're always dangerous you only take them when the risk is clearly worth it. I never had an antibiotic until I was 15. And I remember the day he brought him home. He was like, all right, your pediatrician wants to do it.

I don't think so, but all right, you got to do it. It's what he wants to do. I wouldn't recommend it. And he just hammered that into me. Then to see medicine go and the society go in this direction where medication makes life wonderful or makes life only better, that is an insane adulteration. medications are used for disabling and dangerous illnesses pretty much only. Other than that, it's pretty much not worth the risk.

And the fact that we just look to these things to make us kind of feel better or do better, that we expect to be better, happier, stronger, whatever, because of medication is an adulteration. It is. And I'm not even talking from a Maha perspective. I'm just from a physician perspective, that's a mistake. Maha's obviously taken that to kind of the next level. Well, I think you really hit on a certain point where the idea is that somehow these drugs are specifically designed with a specific intent for a specific treatment. Now, some are.

Right. But I would just go to say that a lot of these drugs will be, they look at the side effect. And then it is, then they will repurpose that drug for the side effect that is caused. A lot of drugs are that way. And if you take a look at the toll, yeah, Viagra, which I'm a big supporter of. But if you look at the toll on the human... You're making the case that we should,

we should be using drugs for side effects if it involves an erection. Okay, got it, Rob. If it involves, if it can help me, if it can help me in any way, that's the... I'll take anything. But here's what we have. We have the American population now,

70%... Because we're 4.2% of the... world population. And a staggering statistic that Robert Kennedy Jr. told me was 70% of all prescription drugs made in the world are consumed by that 4.2% of the world population, the United States of America, Americans. So we are being overdrugged. And now at least, again, we have to ask questions. And I know that you are, and I am a supporter for temporary use of depression drugs, because it can and for people who are chronically depressed and people who can't seem to get out of it

then I think like all drugs there can be a good usage for it and I don't claim to be a physician and so who am I saying? However, long-term SSRI drugs and what can happen to their brain and this staggering amount of speaking of Viagra the sexual dysfunction from these drugs

is something that is not really talked about. 70% of people are. who go on the SSRI drugs will have some form of sexual dysfunction including for women. Rob. Yeah. Yes. But Rob, I think a lot of people are finally aware of that. I got in trouble

for doing a campaign about that that Welbutrin paid for to have me go out and campaign about raising awareness of the side effect of SSRIs. Here's the part that people don't tell you. Somewhere around 20% get permanent sexual dysfunction.

I know. I know. I was just, Honestly, that is the thing that it hurts because it's not fixable. So for some women, they will literally have a no feeling in their genitals. And that is, I mean, 20% is staggering. When we look at the statistics and we don't have the exact statistics of the uptake. Hopefully it's not that high. Hopefully it's not that high. I hope it's not that high, but I've heard those numbers.

But 15 to 20% of the American population, let's just go to 15% of the American population. So you're talking in the tens of millions of people. So this is not some small amount of people that are happening. So I think with all drugs. Yes, the birth rate is down. And, you know, I mean, I thought like Elon Musk, where like was, I didn't know what he was talking about with this population collapse. But I do think it's real.

And I think that's one of the reasons the United States has been able to maintain its economic advantage over its European. and Asian counterparts was a controlled immigration for workers, not just blankingly open borders. And that was really due to because we're not having enough babies here. And so I

do think that, you know, we have to do something. And the attack on Robert Kennedy, I think, you know, it's an easy attack because he really is going after the power centers. And you could really look to a concerted, financial,

investment from the pharmaceutical industries to take down Robert Kennedy. I just don't think that he's going to be able to do it. I don't think that the pharmaceutical industries are going to be able to do it because no one can argue about the food pyramid anymore, that if you follow the food pyramid from the FDA recommendation, you were going to get fat, you're going to have you're going to need knee surgery because you can't support that weight, you're going to have diabetes, and you're going to eventually, because of all the foods that turn into sugar very quickly, you're going to develop some sort of dementia. So what I do think needs to happen is we do need to,

I really feel like we are on a cliff. And most people don't realize that. But people like yourself and I who have a real interest in this, we realize that the expenses and what's happening to the American population, as we're continuing to become an older population, we are not going to be able to afford the amount of Americans that are disabled, that have dementia, and for people who say that autism is just, well, the diagnosis is better.

I say this to them. Okay, well, where have you been hiding all the old autistic people? This is a new phenomenon. And we really need to, we will, by the middle of the 2030s, we'll have so many of these starting to be older autistic people that will have to be completely cared for. And God bless the people who are on the spectrum and the parents. who do so much and do so much work. And that's why I got involved, as you know, Dr. Drew,

because all the parents of vaccine injured children, all they want is one thing, is a prayer so that this heartache that they suffered doesn't happen to other families. And my heart goes out to them and they have my lifelong support. And for people like you and Susan, your lovely wife,

who have opened up your hearts to understand this and to do things outside of your comfort level because you knew it was right. I have my undying support for you, and I really appreciate your dedication to America's health. Well, again, I'm sort of, I blow in the wind a little bit. I'm a moderate, but I'm open-minded. I have rational uncertainty.

Yes, we have to attack our certainties. We have to attack our certainties. Certainty is irrational. Certainty is irrational. And debate is essential to find, sometimes we're going to get the best ideas but if we silence the bad ones sometimes the bad ones will open up our mind

to hear the good ones and we get to good ideas and we say in our comedy writing meetings all the time we say okay here's a bad idea and a lot of times we end up using that one so let's continue the debate let's continue the scientific discovery through asking

questions that are uncomfortable and like I think people are moving forward because you know as Robert Kennedy said the other day in a very uncomfortable way, talking about SSRI drugs and saying, we had these guns when we were a kid. And as a matter of fact, not, you know, as insignificantly fewer, but we have, we are having these mass shootings. And we should be allowed to ask, is there a connection? And I think that that needs to. Yeah, where's coming from? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, let's keep asking questions in a

respectful way for all Americans, so we're not attacking people, but we're to defend the medical industrial complex just because it is money. We have to also know that they're paying for all these senators that are attacking Robert Kennedy, and they're paying for 85% of

all commercials in a non-election year is pharma paid. So we have to ask, are we going to continue to go down this road where our government officials, state and federal, where our our medical boards, where the FDA and CDC is in the revolving door.

So Robert Kennedy is a stopgap, and I just hope he gets a chance to really do it. And it's going to take people, parents stepping up, asking questions, and continue to ask questions, so we can make it happen. So here's what I want to do. First of all, you mentioned asking questions and keeping open mind. I just would flash in my head was Galileo walking out of his third condemnation by the Spanish Inquisition who said under his breath, in defense of the heliocentric view of the earth around the sun, he said, and yet it moves. So in spite of whatever anybody thinks, you know what I'm

saying? If you know something, you keep defending, you keep thinking about it, and yet it moves. The earth around the sun is what he was talking about. So here's, we've got dates for you coming up. Are you on tour right now? You just came in here to buy lunch at Airwant to support our local economy? Is that what you're doing here, or are you, there's your days. I'm driving in a car so that I can't, so I don't have an actual location. So I'm in Los Angeles, I have to be in a vehicle driving around. I sleep in it, I eat in it, I go to the air when I stop, but I keep moving. So I don't, so I don't have to pay state taxes here.

But no, I love the state of California. I love the awakening that's happening here. And hopefully, you know, the people get the kind of government they deserve. But I think the people deserve better. but I'm on tour and Adam Sandler is having me at a lot of his shows

which he's such it's his birthday today happy birthday Adam Sandler and I'm going to be I'm on tour you can go to Rob Schneider.com and I look forward to coming in and next time I'm in town

but thank you for having these conversations because I really appreciate them and I just glad that I'm going to say people are waking up and they're not as hypnotized and ask asking questions is what this is all about. Right.

And that you are in control of your help. It has been a mass hypnosis. It has been a mass hypnosis. Get this book. This book is, wait, put it back there. Get me off the screen, put the book up.

Your book, you can do it. It is so good. It is so, oh, my God. There's so much honest material in there about your mom and your upbringing. Just please, I love that book. So, you people should, if you like Rob, you'll like his book. I guarantee, I guarantee it. Real Rob.

So. They got to watch real rock. And the real rock, we're going to bring real wrong back. We're going to bring the comedy case. We're going to do season three finally, finally. Yeah. Oh, I want to do a can. I'm dying to do a cameo.

Let me do some sort of cameo. Let me play a doctor or something stupid. 100%. I'm going to hold you to that, my friend. So Caleb, the comedy with Jamie Lissau, who is his sort of co-star on the series, he's his assistant. on Gutfeld and I called Rob I saw him twice

the second time I called Robin and go Rob your buddy that plays the assistant he's killing it on Gutfeld and he goes tell him yourself he was sitting right next to him and you handed it up and shame me I did to be fully honest I did

not understand the appeal of Rob Snyder until I was like he was on the show and then I finally went down like I'm going to watch real Rob I watched it and I get it now that makes everyone who wants to be a fan at Rob Schneider needs to go watch real Rob. It's just an introduction to who you are.

I loved it. It's on Netflix. By the way, the lack of, not understanding the lack of appeal, also my wife is in that same category. You can tell that from the show too, because she's actually in the show. Yeah. Well, God bless you.

Thank you, Drew, and I'll come. My love. All right, man. Come back soon. Susan's here. She hears your love. We're all good. I can give him a love, Susan.

And we'll see you. We'll see you when you're in town. All right, man. Take care. Okay, we'll be. Let me through. Talk to you now. Thank, buddy.

So, Caleb, come back up here with me on the screen, if you don't mind. Did you, have I told the story about DeRil Rob and his wife on the show? Maybe. I think in the background, I think I've heard you say something about whenever you met them. Or no, tell the story. Tell the story. So the story is I was watching that show. We were like, oh, my God, this is so good.

And we watch a few episodes. And I go, but who casted that wife? It's just overcasting. No one's going to believe that. Rob would have married a woman like that. And so I'm looking through the credits at the end. And it says the casting director, Patricio Schneider, I went, oh my God, his wife casted that woman as the wife in the show.

And the comedy is, that is his wife that's in the show. It adds a whole new dimension to the show. It's such a perfect way they play off of each other. Like, I got it. I did not understand. it and then I watch that show. I'm like, I get it now. This is why people love Rob. And two things about that. And so I give him shit about that all the time. And he laughs. He thinks it's a great joke because he gets it too. But number two, that's how they are. They are a lot like that. There's all these cultural things and there's all kinds of stuff going on. I loved it. So, yeah, it's good. I want to say happy birthday to Jeff 767 on Rumble.

Oh, happy birthday. So what is some smash? What is it smash? I don't know what that is. But all right. Is what? It's like Jahan, Jehep. So is Dr. McCullough around?

Is he available to him for me? He's not here. We're not here yet, but he should be here in a minute. Oh, Chris. No, we're doing it. At the beginning of the show, you did it in the other order. It's Dr. McCullough is next and then Christina is after that. So right up, let's do the break.

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I am. She, not only that, Susan is like, to say that she's a discriminating consumer does not get to the. I was a cosmetologist. Yeah. And when Jenny sent some product and she's like, this is out, she was like raving about it. It really is. I told Jenny, like, this is not, this is no fool. And I mean, she is like, you know, she has very high standards.

So Jenny's stuff is good. And I apologize to Jenny McCarthy, much as I did to Naomi Wolf and others who I had been a little dismissive of their vaccine positions. I'm not totally in with everything, but they deserve their day in the sun. And they deserve their questions to be answered. There's Jenny's website. But tell people, you know, I guess you were probably watching the Ron Johnson Senate hearing today, as was I. There was a lot to learn.

And if they taped it, I suggest people go back and listen to it. What did you take away from that? Boy, just a stunning development. What had happened, and, you know, we're all connecting. I used to be a program director at Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit. This is a long time ago. But one of our infectious disease doctors, actually at two hospitals, Beaumont and Henry Ford is Mark Zervos, Marcus Zervos.

He's actually an author on the first McCullough Protocol paper for early treatment. Zervos Act conducted a study of vaccinated versus unvaccinated children in the Henry Ford Health System that spanned nearly two decades. And Henry Ford Health System, they know exactly who's in the system. They verified the vaccine records with the state of Michigan, so we know who is vaccinated, who is not. And they ended up with a sample size of 2,000 children who took no childhood vaccines. 16,000 who did take the vaccines, and then they compared the outcomes. And it was astonishing. What happened was, you know, Del Bigtree and Aaron Ciri, they supported Zervos in doing this.

Zervos had the answer in 2020 and refused to publish it and said, this is just going to be too damaging to the, you know, to this whole vaccine enterprise. And he was worried about his own professional situation. So finally, Senator Ron Johnson forced it. And in the deliberations, Richard Blumassel said, why is this coming out now? And Johnson said, I'm forcing it to come up now. And so now the results are in from the Henry Ford birth cohort study, Nicolshare. Peter, Peter, before you read them, and they're rather dramatic.

But it was one of the interesting things, aside from the results from this study, that caught my attention amongst many things in this hearing. But one of the first thing that jumped out of me was, oh my God, our peers don't understand how adulterated the editorial process is for publication. They don't know. They don't know. I mean, just look no further than Veebeck Medici.

I can never pronounce her name. Who published two articles on sort of lot safety and certain lots in the Pfizer vaccine were more problematic than others. Took her three years to get that published. And even then in a peripheral journal and then, of course, destroyed for daring to publish it. They don't understand the adulteration

that has gone on here. And to me, it makes perfect sense. And the fact that Ron Johnson pushed it, it'll be interesting to see what happens to your peers over there at that institution. Well, let me say just before we get into this, this adulteration now has become deeply embedded in artificial intelligence. This is very important. So young people now are going to artificial intelligence for answers.

I recently did this on artificial intelligence, and I said, how many manuscripts can, conclude that the benefits of COVID-19 vaccines outweigh the risks. The answer was 380. Then I flipped it around. I said, well, how many manuscripts conclude that the risks outweigh the benefits? And I know those papers exist, just like you know they do. Artificial intelligence came up with zero.

380 to zero. Well, listen, whether it's statins or back surgery or anything else, there are always there's always a balance there's some for some against one is 380 to zero that tells you that there's bias and corruption infused now into this process yes that that you know one of the things i've always admired about you you were a deep reader of the medical literature you were profoundly connected to all that is published and i'm sure you've been that way your whole career so you and i both know it it's so dramatically contrary to the basic flavor of medical research, which is always kind of this looks good, this is informative, this not informative, this is sort of going, you know, it's always a back and forth

and you kind of move towards a consensus over time. It's why you don't get excited about any given study, but now this is just a total, total mess. So give us the data from this vaccine study. Okay, so Henry Ford birth cohort study, 16,000 vaccinated kids, routine childhood vaccine schedule, 2000 unvaccinated.

It goes back. It ran from 2000, I believe, to 2016. The rate over time that accumulated of any chronic disease in the children was 17% for the unvaccinated group and 57% for the vaccinated. Now that goes along with the claim that we're heading towards over 70% of people with chronic diseases. And the relative risks of taking the vaccines for the children, 4.294 asthma, 3.2 for atopic dermatitis, 5.9 for autoimmune diseases, 5.53 for neural developmental disorders.

And the list goes on. And it's interestingly about the healthiness of the unvaccinated. So I think this is important to get out. So, you know, the unvaccinated kids may have special parents or, you know, they may be particularly robust kids, but, and they had a lot of cases of ADHD. You'll be interested in this. If the kids were completely unvaccinated, zero ADHD in the unvaccinated kids, 268 cases in the vaccinated. for ticks, these motor disorders, zero in the unvaccinated and obviously many more in the vaccinated. So this is not a randomized trial.

It was pointed out by Jake Scott, the Stanford Minority Witness today that there may have been ascertainment bias, that the vaccinated kids had more clinic visits. But, you know, Ron Johnson pointed out, wait a minute, if the kids are healthy, they're not going to have as many clinic visits. And so there were sensitivity analyses done for the number of clinic visits, whatever, and the data were robust. I'll tell you as an epidemiologist, anything that's more than a fourfold increased risk in a non-randomized study, pay attention to that. And we had more than fourfold risks for many of these conditions among children who were getting the routine childhood vaccines, which the doctors thought they were doing the right things, and so did the parents.

Yeah, I thought Dr. Scott did a nice job today in the, as you say, the minority defense testimony. He, though, he took issue with the zero ADHD cases in the unvaccinated group as somehow, to him, that seemed inconceivable. That's how common ADHD is. Speaking of over-diagnosing. So we'll see how those things fall. And the other thing, he had no idea about so. many things that Ron Johnson pointed out to him about the vaccine, you know, the adverse event monitoring systems and the way these things are reported. He just didn't know anything about it. And that's, to me, that is, again, this big problem we have with people are blind to a certain

amount of data because of the politics. Yeah, it's true. And, you know, they started out by reading, I don't know if you saw Senator Jesse Moreno from Ohio. He started reading out all of Jake Scott's tweets and, you know, asking if it's biased or not biased. And, you know, I don't know, I'm glad I didn't. I don't really do political tweets, but I'm glad I don't have any of those out there that people would read. I just think that doctors need to carry themselves at a certain level. And, you know, all of this is, all of this is really congealing. And I know you tweeted on this with the Florida Surgeon General, Joel Adapos, you know, announcing that they should No, with no vaccine mandates or requirements for school, military, or employment.

Yep. Yep. And I like many countries and most communist countries, they have no such mandates. And people that become outrage and begin to insist that the government somehow be responsible, the federal government, be responsible for bodily integrity and health care. That is the most bizarre. How did the left come, end up there? It's just so on to me.

but here we are I remember the I used to have to fight the right on various things where they were constantly thought they knew what was better or right or how people should live their lives

now they've gone more towards freedom and the left has decided the government is only and always right about you and your health care and how you manage your body which is just an astonishing change and the fact is 88 countries have no such mandate

including the Scandinavian countries and most EU countries Japan. China doesn't have a mandate. China doesn't. A communist country has no mandate to go to school. And so, yes, we need to educate about vaccines. We need doctors well prepared to talk to patients about their risk reward. And the doctor and the patients decide what they're going to do. Well, you know, I thought your tweet was one of the best ones of the day. I was quick to retweet at 88 countries. I had no idea. And you probably saw FDA Commissioner Marty Macquarie say, you know, I don't think the hepatitis B vaccine for a healthy

child is appropriate on the first day of life. That's our FDA commissioner. So I think we're going to end up seeing some reorganization, probably some restratification of the childhood vaccine schedules. You know, in our book, Dr. Drew, you'll be amazed. In our book, we made the New York Times bestseller list, vaccines, mythology, ideology. Congratulations. Yeah. But, But we have reality is important, and we fairly point out the vaccines have accounted for case count drops and measles and chickapucks and other illnesses. So there is a reality to the vaccines, for sure. But I think where we're heading is more appropriate timing of vaccines, some risk stratification. And remember, vaccines are much safer when they're given singly as opposed to in combinations and much safer when they're given later in life outside of this.

You crack a window, yeah. Yes. I mean, some of the HPV can be done later, the hepatitis B can be done later. Even the things to the homophilus and meningococides, these are all later vaccines. So anyway, let's get off that for a second. Do you think that HPV is still going to be as bad as it was when our kids were younger? The, you mean the frequency of it? Yeah, like is it going to still?

Because it seemed like there was a lot of it when our kids were. Well, A, people aren't having sex anymore, so that will drop it, number one. And number two, the use of the vaccine is going to drop the certain, the six to eight, you know, six to nine or six to twelve different variants that are covered by the vaccines. But it's turning out the vaccines are not quite as efficacious as they thought it was. Do you know, Susan, Dr. Drew, do you know what the big stress test is on the HPVA vaccine? The big stress test is actually gay and bisexual men. and yeah and all the different HPV outcomes in that group and and that's where the vaccine

you would really want it to be used because of the frequency of contact the transmissibility and there kind of cancer do they get they get anal cancer your question is valid they get anal cancer they get head and neck cancer oh yeah yes yes so that's that's the wrong so but here's my point, the vaccine in reducing those outcomes is far less impactful than in the heterosexual, less

sexually active population is just... I want to I got to look a little more at that, but you would want, I don't think they're getting the vaccine at the same rate either, but I don't know, because that's where you really, really want people to be vaccinated because the risk reward kind of is there for that population.

But no, there are programs in big cities that have very, very assertive vaccine programs and they have surveillance programs and these men are participating in these programs. And I've covered this on focal point substack. The vaccine is not as effective. I think partially because there are now are so many different strains of HPV. Honestly, HPV is kind of overwhelming the vaccine. I think I've got it. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense to me. So let's switch topic for our last few minutes we have together. Let's talk about, oh,

wait, Caleb wants to ask one more thing about Trump. Trump is against the end of vaccine mandates. Is that true, Caleb? Was he clear about that? Yeah, he was pretty clear. In an interview, he was pretty clear, and he said that he says, you have vaccines that work, they

pure and simple work. They're not controversial at all, and I think those vaccines should be used otherwise. Some people are going to catch it, and they're going to endanger other people. He said this after Dr. Joseph Lattipo. Caleb, we all, the two of us doctors

sitting here completely agree with that. That has nothing to do with mandates. That's a completely separate topic from mandates. He may have gotten bad information from someone because that's what he was saying on the interview. Yeah, people are confusing recommending a vaccine on the CDC

schedule with mandates with availability of a vaccine. These are all three different topics. Right. I think my two sense is that people should not be fearful about availability of vaccines. There's nothing in. At all. Nothing's going to get in the way of that. No way. Remember before Kennedy was even confirmed, people were saying that he's going to take away people's vaccines. That hasn't happened at all. It's not going to happen. I think what we're agreeing on is that we can get into a doctor or patient. relationship or risk-benefit discussion, and something that's, you know, more tailored to, you know, in joint decision-making with the family and the child and what the future outcomes. There is a little wrinkle that the senators made a meal out of, which is that because of the scam that insurance companies are, they might use the lack of explicit recommendation by the CDC

as a reason to not cover a given vaccine like the COVID vaccine if a child wants it. The reality is, Peter, I think in my world, if I want to give a vaccine, I will go after the insurance company to get the payment if it's indicated and you can usually get it. Well, remember for children, the government steps in and provides the vaccine anyway for uninsured or underinsured children anyway. So the government backstops vaccine. So I don't want any parents listening to this thinking their kids won't have. access to vaccines. They'll have it. There you go. All right. Let's talk about long COVID long

Vax. I've got the ultimate spike detox in my hand here. Your understanding of this has continued to, oh, you've got it to, has continued to evolve, help people understand. There's still many people out there struggling with this that don't understand that there are ways to approach it. There's a lot of different ideas out there, but you've been really dedicating your day and day out life to understanding this thing and coming up with protocols that work. What is the spectrum of what you're seeing and what are you doing in response

to it? Right. So the virus leaves with the infection, the tip of the spike protein in the human body, Bruce Patterson, and itself is shown it's in there at least a year and a half or longer. The spike protein causes damage to the body, it causes long COVID symptoms, causes blood clots.

Dr. Drew, I had a patient today, young man 23, paramedic. He got COVID. He didn't take the vaccine. Just COVID. Blood clot in the arm. He had to have extraction, first rib removal, thoracic outlet problems.

His arm is not the same. It's not the same. Happened to a patient of mine. A patient of mine got severe pulmonary arm and pulmonary infarctions. And it's funny. It was a comedy I didn't tell Susan this. I was having a little chest pain last night and I thought I got to think about PE now every time I get a little chest pain

because I never used to think about that. But here's the So we had COVID, but we measure the antibodies to the spike protein. This is very important. So the antibodies are an indirect proxy of how much spike protein is in the body. His were markedly elevated. You can order it yourself on Lab Corp. Go to LabCorp, Labs on Demand, click over to Infectious Diseases, click on COVID antibody, pay $69

and get your own test. Because some doctors are refusing to get it. There's multiple studies showing the test is prognostic. If it's less than 1,000 units per ML, very low risk, that's my fits with my clinical experience. Over 5,000 on that number, we're starting to see spike protein in the bloodstream. The his was, I think, well over 10,000. That's where we use ultimate spike detox, natokinase, bromelin, and curcumin in combination. This is an over-the-counter supplement, but in high dose to clear spike protein from the blood.

He was on a blood thinner eloquist for about eight months, the ultimate spike detox. In addition, we watch for risks of bleeding, and now he's much better. His symptoms are much better, and he's on the road to recovery if he's off his blood thinner. So this is not a commercial for the wellness company. Both you and I are on the board, the medical board there, but there's spike support versus ultimate spike detox. I've actually myself not been clear who should be taking what and then the amount. So can you help us with that?

And when? Well, the when is the who. Right. So spike support was our first product. And spike support at two capsules gives a total of 2,000 fibrillinic units of netokinase. Spike support is good for people who've been exposed. Maybe they're concerned about shedding. They don't really have any symptoms. It's generally healthy. It's anti, helps prevent recurrent SARS-CoV2 infection anyway. It's anti-ethyclerotic, anti-diabetic. Actually, the curcuminous anti-cancer. So it's a good, healthy supplement. The ultimate spike detox is for patients like mine and yours, people deep into long COVID or vaccine injury syndromes, very high antibodies against the spike protein. Two capsules twice a day of this gives 8,000 units of natokinase. And many times under my observation, I advanced to four capsules twice a day that's 16,000 units of natokinase a day. That's big time enzymatic exposure to the body. Jordan Vaughn, who's testified in the Senate, runs the largest vaccine blood clad center in the United

States. Out of the box, he's starting with 16,000 a units a day. But the recommended is to start with if you're somebody who's worried that you have some sort of post-fax post-COVID thing, it's two twice a day, right? Yeah, two twice a day.

So the serving size is four capsules here on an empty stomach. Yeah, empty stomachs is a big. Yeah, it must be because the enzymes won't get absorbed. You know, enzymes are not well absorbed. They don't survive the GI tract. as well because they're proteins.

So it's got to be empty stomach. So when you're hungry is a good time to take them. If you get up at night to, let's say use the restroom, that's a good time. The stomach's empty. Take it then. Get up first thing in the morning. The last thing you want to do is take it with meals. It will literally deactivate everything.

It doesn't work at all. Somebody on the Restream here is saying it took the spike. It didn't reduce any spike. I'm not quite sure. Of course, I don't know any details that this person is giving us. but if somebody should not have any symptom relief, what's the next line of defense for patients that are frustrated? Well, people who have high antibodies not getting better.

Now, it's about five studies. I always ask them this, Dr. Drew, if they have any craniofacial syndrome, lancinating pain, headaches, if they have skin rash, persistent pulmonary symptoms, or night sweats. Night sweats is very important. They probably have a SARS-CoV-2 reservoir. The virus can actually set up shop in the body for months. In fact, there's an NIH study suggesting the virus is in the body alive and replicating even up to a year afterwards.

So in that case... Can't the vaccine do the same thing with the pathogenic protein? Yeah. Well, the vaccine is producing spike protein, but this idea of, you know, the spike protein, we can get ahead of it with spike detox. When we're not making any progress, I'm worried about the virus itself. And so there... I see. Yeah.

My go-to approach is, actually, I put them on 90-day survivormectin. Oh, interesting. And I know Patterson, Patterson, his group is using Maravarack and they're using a statin, believe it or not. Right. I've tried that. Go ahead. I've tried it. And that's trying to harness the body's own immune system of clear spike protein.

I haven't found it works. It simply doesn't work. And there are some toxicities to that. I think you're better off with the spike detox, which clearly drops the enzymes. That's been shown over and over again. That means it's dropping spike protein. And then ivermectin, which we have enough experience, ivormectin blocks the spike protein.

It blocks replication of SARS-CoV-2, and it influences some of the toil-like receptors on the surface favorably. A man your size, Dr. Drew, probably would take about 36 milligrams, maybe 48 milligrams a day for 90 days. I just think this is so fascinating. I mean, you were the first to alert me about somebody, the long pathogenic processes around the clotting. system and it makes perfect sense to me that that would be it's just it's this thing causes i talked to

ryan cole about this years ago i just said you know my it was probably in 2021 i said i think this thing is affecting an endothelial reaction somehow and causing an endothelitis and that's activating the the clotting system and i think we just have continued evidence of this it's a nasty nasty nasty thing certainly feels like a bio weapon the way it's getting us any anything thoughts on its effect on the natural killer cells? I know Patrick Sunshong is very focused on that, that he thinks that we're going to see, that the uptick and cancer we're seeing is directly resulted to these T-cell scavengers that are responsible for getting early cancers out of our system, not functioning efficiently. Spike protein is immunosuppressive. This is very

important, whether you've had COVID or have had the vaccine or both, there's many studies showing Our immune system is suppressed. The overall white blood cell count has been down. Normally with a viral infection, mononuclear cells, monocytes are up. They're actually down. Several studies show that modeling the spike protein impairs tumor suppressor systems, P53, and BRCA, and the natural killer cells don't have their anti-neoplastic effect of what they should. And for that reason, we may be losing immune surveillance on cancer.

And we don't know. I had a patient yesterday, a young man, he has hypertrophic cardiomopathy. He takes the vaccines, okay, and he gets COVID. And then afterwards, he gets mildcarditis. That could have been anticipated because he has an abnormal genetic heart to begin with. Then he gets a testicular cancer. And then he develops hypothyroidism. Like these three things, and he's 23 years old.

He's like, Dr. McCullough, what's happening? indeed what's happening and and uh you know i those of us that work through the aides pandemic this is not as as dramatic as that effect on the immune system but it does have a echoes of that experience here and there and that worries me greatly uh dr mccola uh any what's on your radar now what are you worried about what are you working on where should we look for you well you know follow me everywhere on social media focal points we continue to get out the critical information we're working through, obviously, the COVID vaccines, the childhood vaccines, but we have a great interest in this emerging literature on microplastics, for instance,

and whether the body really is affected by these, the interface between the GI tract and microplastics. I'm personally interested in neurodegenerate diseases. Dr. Drew, both my parents, Alzheimer's disease, Alzheimer's disease. What can I do to change my fate in a few? years. You know, I think all of us, now is it time to take a personal interest in our health, do our own research, follow the Dr. Drew Show and all the great guests that you have because, you know, here you get unbiased information. We have intelligent conversations. We cite the evidence. And we're

taking care of patients. We're trying to do the best we can. Yep. We try. Indeed, we do. I'll send you the literature on fatty 15, which is something that they were able to prevent Alzheimer's in dolphins. which is one of our close relatives. And it's this one supplement prevents essentially lipid bilator oxidation happens as we age, particularly in neural tissue. And this tends to reduce that. I'll send you that data. So it's something to think about.

All right, my friend. We'll see you again soon. Thank you for joining us. I really do appreciate it. Thank you. And that is Dr. Peter McCullough. Let me give you more particulars on where you can find him. We're going to have Christina Baum in here just a second.

Dr. He said follow me everywhere, but I want to tell you where you can follow him. Oh, Caleb, do I not have his stuff? I don't see it on here. Is X and everything else? There it is. P-U-N-D-M-D, P-U-L-L-A-M-D, C-L-L-L-U-G-H. And Christina, who I'm about to talk to is Christina underscore Bob, and that is B-O-B. Rob Schneider's everywhere.

He's truly everywhere. You can just follow him wherever. one more look if I've got other stuff Peter McCullough MD.com and the focal points.com and TWC.com and TWC. Health. And before I bring Christine in here, now this is my commercial. I was going to say that, you know,

we pushed the wellness kits and stuff. We've been sort of exposing some of the other wellness products. They've got really great supplements. They have a longevity supplement too that is excellent. They have a peak metabolism. These are all very, very high quality supplements. What's in it? What's in the peak of a tablet?

It is. You're going to have to get me a magnifying glass. I remember looking at it in relation to burn, and it was very similar to the V-Shred burn. It's essentially ways of helping, you know, stabilize glucose. My glasses aren't strong enough for me to read it. But I had read it once,

and I thought, this is a good product. I should take it. Yeah. Thanks for putting me on the spine. Sorry, honey. No, but it's good. It helps you. No, I'm a big fan of those kinds of products.

They tend to, because they're stabilizing blood sugar and decreasing insulin resistance and insulin spiking. They tend to make, they give you little energy. They don't give you, they interfere with hunger mechanisms. And the drop, which we don't have there. Drop, very specifically interferes. Yeah, that's a very specific thing. I took that, I tried, they worked for me.

It was, I had a little bit of, I felt a little hot at night. And that was it. That was the only side effect I had from that one. Maybe lost any weight? Yeah, no, it may really affect appetite for sure. All right, let's bring. Christina in here, her new book, let me get it for you.

I've got so much material because we have so many different guests here. It is defiant inside the Mar-a-Lago raid and the left's ongoing lawfare. This should be very interesting. You can get it at Amazon. And as I said, Christina is on X as well. Christina underscore Bob B-O-B.

Christina, thank you for coming here. Welcome to the program. Thanks, Dr. Drew. I'm excited to be with you today. So lawfare, I mean, the term is tossed around a lot. But I have to tell you, just as a non-legal person, as a citizen, the kind of stuff you see going on just looks so scary.

And it made me think about things like, you know, why Martha Stewart went to jail. I mean, I had dinner with her one time. It's a lovely person. And she at the time told me, she goes, you know, I set up this stock option plan because my employers are so great and I wanted them to participate in the richness of this company.

And then she gets nailed because she forget something in an interview with the federal DOJ. And I thought, oh, yeah, this is like medical malpractice. You can always find something to nail people on. And that is not the purpose of our legal system. No, I completely agree with you. I don't know if you can see it here. I have my mugshot here.

I am currently a criminal defendant as we're having this conversation. Up until today, I was one of about 60, now about one of 40, 45 people that are still embroiled in criminal cases. from 2020. I don't know if you saw the news today, but Michigan finally dismissed the cases against the Michigan electors, Trump electors in Michigan, just today. We're all still fighting it, still going on, but you're right. It's really scary. It's a huge abuse of the system. And yeah, there's a lot to unpack with it. What happened to you? What is your case? So I am, well, I was a reporter. The allegation was that

I was a Trump. You're doing, by the way, full trump and your, your, your, um, your, your, um, your, your, your, um, your, your, your, um, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're doing your best Trump. Good job. That's, thank you. I appreciate it. That's actually what the president said, too. Um, after it happened. Um, also, I'm an attorney by trade and was kind of, you know, I stumbled into journalism and I had just started doing that and I volunteered for Rudy Giuliani. I saw how President Trump's legal team really kind of left him high and dry right after the 2020 election. He wanted to challenge some of the states. And so I reached out, I had been a journalist and I had interviewed Rudy Giuliani. So I reached out and I said, hey, I'm happy to volunteer. I'm an attorney by trade. You know, if you need help with anything, let me know.

So I volunteered to help Rudy a little bit after the 2020 election, but I was working as a journalist, and I had nothing to do with the alternate electors case. The alternate electors dubbed the fake electors by the mainstream media. They are not fake electors. They are actual Trump electors. That was an effort by Trump's legal team to preserve his right to have his votes cast, his electoral votes cast, should he prevail on these legal challenges. because the law requires that the electors cast their vote on December 14th, but President Trump was still challenging the results in some of the states. So the electors had to basically create a ballot on December 14th

that could be cast in the future should he be successful in his litigation. And it's been done before. John F. Kennedy did that in 1960 with Richard Nixon in Hawaii, and he ended up using that alternate slate of electors. So there's legal, historic precedent for it. It's actually required by law. And there was a plan to try to incriminate everybody who challenged that election. So I didn't actually have anything to do with it.

I wasn't even reporting on it. But because I was close to Rudy, I kind of got roped into it. So my indictment and the indictment for all of my co-defendants was thrown out as a violation of our constitutional rights. The case is still open, unfortunately. The judge hasn't gone far enough to actually dismiss the case. but we're all just kind of languishing, racking up legal fees, waiting for it to get dismissed

because the indictment has been thrown out. Is it, are you still in journalism? Are you thinking about going back into law? I work at Judicial Watch now. So I'm an attorney. I'm back in litigation, focusing on exposing government corruption. But I love writing, you know,

there's, I'll probably dabble in journalism forever. Do you have communication with the current Department of Justice? I do. Yeah. I mean, I worked for President Trump from 2022 to 2024, so I know most of the people in the administration now. It seems like the people I know over there are extraordinary human beings and extraordinary lawyers. And I just think they're, I think they're just getting started. Yeah.

I think they're going to do some really good work. Yeah, I completely agree. I know Pam Bondi. I think she's fantastic. I know Cash Patel. I think he's great. The concern that I have is not in. them or their ability. I think they're fantastic. The concern is there is so much. There's so much

to do. How do they prioritize it? You know, who do they kind of delegate some of the responsibilities to? They have a lot to sort through and not a lot of people that I would try. And I'm not saying I don't trust, you know, anybody in particular, but just based on the history of the Department of Justice and FBI, I would be hesitant to just trust someone I didn't know to handle some of some of these cases. So I think their biggest challenge is just figuring out how they can actually use their own agencies and how they can sort through the information to bring about the results that the American people elected Donald Trump to bring about. So yeah, I think they got to get their arms around that. What would we learn by reading the book? Well, the truth, for one, the actual story of what

happened for the raid. The story that the mainstream media has put out, I don't think even comes close to accurately representing what happened. The whole thing was a sham. It was completely fake. They never had probable cause. I know Cash Patel has come out and said that now. They never had probable cause to get the warrant. They had to go to a conflicted judge who, by his own admission, said that he was unable to be impartial in a Trump case just six weeks prior. And then that's where the FBI goes to get the search warrant. I mean, the whole thing was a complete sham. We were completely cooperative.

I met with the Department of Justice and the FBI two months prior to the raid to say, you know, what do you need? President Trump came to that meeting, told them to their faces, you know, what do you want? Like, you can see whatever you want. Do you want a tour of Mar-a-Lago? We'll give you a tour of Mar-a-Lago. You can see whatever you want. And they saw what they wanted.

They said they were satisfied that they, you know, had all of their questions answered. And then the next communication we get is, hey, can you get to Marlago at their rating place? What? What do you mean they're rating the place? There's so much to it. I don't want to give you a diatribe on it. But the original case was in Washington, D.C. It was here in Washington.

At the time, I lived in Florida. I worked in Florida. I met with President Trump in Florida. I met with the Department of Justice and the FBI in Florida. I signed for the documents in Florida. I was the custodian of record in Florida. Everything was in Florida. Yeah, when I got subpoenaed and when I was required to get interrogated by the Department

of justice and the FBI and come up here and testify before a grand jury, I had to come to Washington, D.C. And it's clear now that they were trying to create some sort of like Hillary Clinton email scandal case to bring in Washington, D.C., but they never had probable cause for it. They could never establish any wrongdoing that rose to the level of getting an indictment. And you know the saying, you can indict a ham sandwich, and they couldn't even get an indictment in Washington, D.C., which is why they had to transfer it to Florida. They never wanted to bring a case against Donald Trump in Florida. I mean, who in their right mind, if you're going to prosecute Donald Trump, would want to do it in Florida?

They had to do it because the whole world was staring at him going, why the heck did you raid Mar-a-Lago, and they couldn't get an indictment for it. So they had to switch it to Florida, create some stupid obstruction of justice case, claim that he had classified documents he wasn't entitled to, which was never, never accurate. He always was in lawful possession of everything he had. Yeah, so that's the high level. You know what I find odd? Here's my question. Who are these freaking attorneys that did this?

And why aren't there being brought before the bar or something? I mean, why isn't this profession policing itself? You know what I mean? Who were these people? Why aren't they being publicly shamed? No, I completely agree. And that's one of the things that I'm kind of looking at the Department of Justice. is going, this needs to be corrected because I had to defend my bar license. I did absolutely

nothing wrong. I was completely honest with the Department of Justice and the FBI. And I cooperated to the fullest extent that I could. And then I ended up having to defend my bar license. Thank God I kept it. And, you know, they found no wrongdoing on my part. But I had to fight for it. What were you? What were the allegations? What did you supposedly two? That was the obstruction of justice thing? You got into that? I got sucked into that because I'm licensed in California and in California they don't show you

the complaint until they decide to prosecute you and so I didn't actually get to see the allegations I was defending they ultimately decided not to prosecute me so I didn't get to see them but they were basically claiming that I lied to the Department of Justice or I was somehow

unethical which was never true and thankfully they closed it with no wrongdoing but you're completely right I mean on the conservative side, you know, Rudy Giuliani is getting disbarred unfairly, John Eastman, Jeff Clark, Ken Chesper. I mean, you can run down the litany of conservative attorneys that are getting disbarred. And then you have Department of Justice attorneys who are lying to courts to get a search warrant that they should never have had process. They didn't have probable cause for it

during an election cycle where they're going to chill the political process for the entire nation. and they don't have to account for it. I mean, it's scary. Like you said earlier, what's happening is really scary. And the only way, I would love nothing more than for us all to shake hands and say, can we please move past this? This has been a rough, a rough go of it. But until they indicate that they're actually going to stop coming for us, we can't.

So someone needs to be held accountable for sure. And so how do you do that? Well, there needs to be some finding of wrongdoing, ideally by the, Department of Justice. I would love to see Pam Bondi or Cash Patel say these people knowingly lied to get a search warrant or explain who

the actual actors are. They're the ones that have all the files. And so they need to come out. Do you have the attention of somebody in the Justice Department? Oh, I think they're aware. I think this is something that President Trump is concerned about. I mean, they raided his home. And so I think as far as I know. As

as he has said repeatedly, if they can do it to me, they can do it to you. And that's literally how I feel. It feels very, like, scary for citizens. Yeah, that's exactly right. And when he says, they're not after me, they're after you. I'm just in the way. Defiant, the book describes that because I was close enough to, you know, get what they were caught. They're, you know, they're trying to come after Americans and come after our freedom. And because I was so close to President Trump, I saw it. I had to face it firsthand. And so the story really depicts what he means by that. And I was on the front lines, but they're coming for everybody else, too. And I know you see it in the medical profession. You know, doctors that, you know, had very good reason to

prescribe certain things. You know, now they have to defend their medical license. And we say that with psychiatrists. And, you know, the whole professional licensing is a very serious, significant issue. Because if they can just disbar or, you know, strip you of a medical license, then there will, there's no opposition. And then there's no debate. And then there's no, you know, free society. So it's tenuous. And so when you say they're coming for it, who are they and what are they up to? I would say it's the establishment. In the title, I say the left. So the easy way to describe it is the left, Democrats. They tend to use the justice system to their advantage better than Republicans do. But to be fair, it's not just Democrats. I mean, Republicans are guilty of it as well,

maybe not weaponizing the justice system the way the left has, but being complicit with it. So I would say it's the political class that has gotten comfortable with whatever they're entitled to, the power that they're entitled to or they believe they're entitled to. And they don't want, they don't like this movement, this populist movement of people saying, you know what, we're actually in charge of the government. We're going to change things we don't like and we're going to have people represent us. You know, the people are actually getting involved in a way that they haven't been involved in a long time. And they're trying to stop that. It happens on both sides. it's most obvious on the left right now, but Republicans do it too.

You know, it's interesting. I'm watching a lot of French politics lately, and they have the same thing where they're having to say repeatedly, the people are sovereign. That's who they're sovereign over their government. That's who is in charge of government. And, you know, these are government servants. They're serving the public and not anybody else. Something has gone very, very wrong. And I don't know how we fully correct it, but it's scary and disgusting at the same time. You're exactly right. I think President Trump is doing what he can. The media is not helping the, you know, the legacy media, mainstream media is not helping. I mean, they're trying to convince the public that he's weaponizing the justice system. He's not. He is defending us when they say,

oh, he's going after people who went after him. No, he's not. He's going after people who went after us. And if we tell him to get out of the way, they're just going to come for us. And so we need him to continue to stand there and continue to take those bullets. Not literally, God, I didn't, I didn't mean it that way, sorry, but continue to take those shots that people are firing at us. And so we need him to continue to do that. What's happening at Judicial Watch? What are you guys working on there? We've got good stuff. I had a tranche. I think, I think it's up on our website now, But I had a tranche of documents come from the Department of Homeland Security about Tim Walts being connected with the CCP. And prior to the 2020 election, the Biden Department of Homeland Security was concerned that China was very interested in seeing Tim Walts make it to, not the White House, but make it, I guess, to the vice presidency.

We are still going after Epstein files. We're going after, I mean, pretty much everything in the news. I'm personally I'm working on a lot of the stuff surrounding the electors cases because I do think that this was a coordinated effort a political hit job multi-statewide to go after people who supported Donald Trump for the purpose of chilling political activity so that's currently what I'm digging up

thinking about the CP the the CCP going after Shem Walsh normally they are so careful and astute and where they placed their bets. How'd they get that one so wrong? Maybe they had a lot of influence. Yeah, well, I mean, my guess is they've placed a lot of bets in a lot of places, which we haven't necessarily even discovered yet, but he was one of them.

That's probably true. You know, he popped up and was like, I wouldn't be surprised if they were laughing about it going, I didn't see that coming, you know. I don't think, I'm not sure they have a sense of humor. Well, that's true. Well, listen, I leave sort of frightened this conversation. I leave sort of worried and I want to call my friends at the DOJ and like urge them on to like what's going on here. How much danger is there to an average citizen?

And particularly anybody that speaks publicly. I mean, you know, the fact that our free speech was actually under attack and that people were. So there was, do you remember six, eight, maybe 16 months ago? People were saying that really the first amendment needs to be reconsidered. It was like this crazy shit of all time. Yeah. What was that? Are we through that? Are we still in jeopardy? We're not through it. We're in a much better place than we were.

So from my assessment, I think we're in a much, much better place. But quite honestly, people need to be held accountable. And we know this because in 2016, Trump's base was chanting, lock her up, lock her up. Everybody wanted to see, Trump's base wanted to see Hillary Clinton prosecuted. And he said, no, I'm not going to do that. I'm going to put it behind us. I'm going to let her heal. I'm going to let the nation heal.

And the nation didn't heal. Look at that New York Times article. Look at that New York Times article. Look at that. I can't read it. I'm sorry. That should go down. It says the First Amendment is out of control.

This is a major op. July 2nd, 2014. This should go down in infamy. This is like a moment that cannot be forgotten. We should have it hanging in our offices. For sure. For sure. I mean, I was a journalist in Arizona, and I got indicted for my journalism.

When they turned over the evidence against me, it was my reports. They were just prosecuting me from my report. They still are trying to prosecute me from my reports. But there's a case. I can't remember off the top of my head which one it is. It was at the Supreme Court, and Justice Katanjee Jackson Brown, she claimed, they were talking about the First Amendment, and she said, well, I'm afraid that the First Amendment is just really,

your interpretation of the First Amendment is really hamstringing the government. That's the purpose. That is the purpose of the First Amendment. To hamstring the government. So, I mean, yeah. The whole point is to protect us from tyranny, protect us from the government. From the government shutting down our speech. Yeah.

So, yes. What is going on? I think for so long you've had these political elitists that have just controlled the narrative because nobody cared. Nobody was paying attention. People were going to church, going to school, running their business, minding their own business. No one was, no one cared about the narrative. But then it got so bad, especially with COVID, that people said, no, no, no, now I have to pay attention. I'm going to get involved.

And they don't like the fact that we're not just taking their word for. You've got really popular shows like yours that aren't CNN or MSNBC or Fox News, that people are turning to alternative media sources to get their information. They're losing control of the narrative. And so I think they're clamping down harder to try to make up for that. Well, it certainly caught my attention. I became a free speech literalist, you know, absolutist because of it. I just said that's our only solution.

And I bristle at the word, word narrative that I just, I just, I was always interested in the truth, not a narrative. And a narrative, a narrative to me just means an adulteration of the truth, which is what we should be striving for. Yeah, I mean, that's exactly what it is. And the people that are silenced the most are those trying to tell the truth when it's inconvenient to people pushing a narrative, right? that when they have a specific agenda. You've seen it, so much. We've seen it abused in the medical community, I think, at astonishing rates, or at least it, you know, I'm not in the medical community,

but I've noticed it more than I ever have at any other time in my life. So, yeah, it wasn't there before. This is a new thing. This is a new thing that's been exposed. And who knew this was going to be where we ended up? It's just gobsmacking, mind-boggling for me. Somebody, you know, practice medicine since the early 80s. But, well, listen, where would you like people?

to find your materials and you and follow and buy the book give us all the particulars yes fantastic the book just came out today i'm really excited about it president trump did the forward for it it's available on amazon congratulations congratulations thank you thank you so much amazon barnson noble wherever books are sold if you have a favorite bookstore go there you can visit my website christina bob or you can find me on social media at christina underscore bob tag me on stuff i'd love to amplify some of the things you're doing it's just you just are clear-headed and And that's, we need a lot more of that. So I appreciate your work and fighting the fight.

So thank you so much. Thank you. Christina Bob. I find her a Christina underscore Bob. The Christina is C-H-R-I-C-I-N-A, B-O-B. Roseanne coming in tomorrow. So far so good. She is, you know, rescheduled on us like three or four times.

Nick Holcher on Thursday, who is Peter McCullough's lead researcher. Sure. And we're going to get into some weeds there. Next week, Zach Levi and Bacha Angara Sargon. This is the guest I'm looking forward to. Joseph Lattapo is on the 23rd. Just a rose on the 24th. A lot of just really great guests coming your way. So stay tuned.

Let me quickly look at you guys in your conversations. The Rumble Rants were very active today. I want to make sure, Susan, anything I should have commented on there that you saw? No, I wasn't looking. I was retweeting stuff. I'm looking at her What's funny though I bet it's very interesting

Every few shows I flip on the switch To go live on TikTok Just because I want to see what happens And it's always fun Because it's like It used to be like 90% people Angry at you for platform

Quote platforming whoever was on the show Now it's flat And now it's like 80% pro Drew 20% People who have obviously never read any of this stuff and are just listening to what they hear on cable news. It's so bizarre to watch where they're just sitting there and they're saying, why is Drew platforming? Why isn't Drew putting experts on the show when literally you and

Dr. Peter McCullough are on screen? Like both of you have about 40 years of experience each in medicine. Yeah. The word platforming I take as much issue with as the word narrative. Platforming, people have, there are many things everyone should check themselves. If you use the board platforming, you should really think. about what you were saying when you said that what you were saying is i want to control speech of speech i don't like that's what you were saying it became the word platform narrative i want to obfuscate and obscure the truth because i don't like it again everybody you'd be the prison guards you would be the prison guards in 1939 and you need to know that and a just course

you weren't the prison guard you you paid a little you perform some of the functions in a less extreme circumstance, but you need to know that about yourself and adjust accordingly. And next time hysteria develops, do not feed into it. Do not be a part of it. All right. Just remember China is watching.

So when we're on TikTok, because I don't usually do TikTok because I have a problem with China, but will it stay up there? Or is it just live? The lives don't stay up on TikTok, but everyone watching on

TikTok, you can go watch the replays on pretty much every platform that exists. Just look up Dr. Drew. We stream everywhere. And also, after I said that, we just got... Yeah, it'll just disappear. But after I said that, then we got a stream of all of these very nice and kind and intelligent comments from TikTok. So I'm not going to slander you TikTok people anymore.

I'm glad you found us on the For You page. I'm looking at it. Although Susan is very paranoid of the owners of TikTok. I am a TikTok fan. I've tried to post on TikTok a couple times. I think it's a fascinating, brilliant platform. And the people that, it's interesting, you know, I would do Instagram lives too. And they have kind of a different character, the TikTok lives versus the Instagram lives.

But we welcome you. And if you have input, go to doctor.com or contact to doctor.com. We have lots of older shows. You would really enjoy them. We have great guests. And today was no exception. But if they'll, when do the shows go up where they can watch them again? Is it immediately?

Immediately. Yeah, you can watch it immediately everywhere. So if you want to come to doctor.com, you can see the whole show if you dropped in on TikTok. It's our favorite. We are not fans of YouTube, but we're out there too and Facebook. Robble can follow us. But, yeah, here's one that I, or man or woman, Andreas Wangers 5. Amashthastay.

I watched the first, I watched him from 16 and pregnant and team mom. Yeah, he used to be on that. that's over now but you can watch me go to dr do dot tv and you can get all the links to everywhere we we keep our episodes up in perpetuity so you can go all the way back to 2020 when we were on with rob schneider and got censored by new york times and they tried to cancel both of us that was you know always fun so i didn't have time to get into that story but i mean we did we went back over it and showed them all the things that they said about us that wasn't true and how they were wrong.

Well, we brought Rob back again a year later and went over. We read the article together and was like everything they said was wrong. Everything. It's been six years or five years. And we've been with Rob well we've known Rob forever but you know it's just trying to dodge

that bullet. It's crazy. So we got to know Rob because he lived here in Pasadena where we lived and I forget how we met but we ended up being friends and probably Adam. We became his dog sitter. That was one of our early functions with wrongs. You don't know that story? Oh, I know that

story. Oh, yeah. Oscar. Oscar the dog. His vegan dog. And all of the escapades and that wild amount of time. Yeah, I've heard some horror stories if it's the same dog. Well, it was, but we loved Oscar. We really, really, really liked Oscar.

He was a great. No, I'm not kidding. We really liked Oscar. He died of diabetes after all his vegan attention. So good job. Anyway, I meant, let's, let's, uh, he fed it broccoli. Yeah. I mean, that's okay. You can feed dogs broccoli.

Yeah. But I don't think he fed him too much. It stinks, though. Anyway, thank you for being here, all of you. The Restream, how do you fix a malignant narcissist? A true malignant narcissist, uh, choosy, you're not going to be able to fix that that you have to kind of either manage or get away from. And in narcissism, generally, if it's going to get better, if it's a true personality disorder,

it gets better in the setting of addiction. That's about the only time you see that really, long-term therapy sometimes too. All right, everybody, thank you so much. We'll see you tomorrow at 2 o'clock Pacific time, the one and only Roseanne. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute

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