Ask Dr. Drew - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. LIVE: Big Pharma, The Opioid Crisis, The Durham Report & The 2024 US Presidential Election w/ Dr. Kelly Victory – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 221

Starting point is 00:00:00 Everyone, we appreciate you being here today. This is a second visit from RFK Jr., but he comes to us today in an entirely different situation. He's a presidential candidate. Dr. Kelly Victory has agreed to join us as well, so let's get right to it. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre.

Starting point is 00:00:21 The psychopaths start this. He was an alcoholic, cousins of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. The psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for f***'s sake.

Starting point is 00:00:30 Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals.

Starting point is 00:00:38 Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want help stopping, I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say.

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Starting point is 00:02:16 And, of course, he comes from the Kennedy family. He can be followed on Twitter at RobertKennedyJr, all one word. And you can learn more about his campaign at Kennedy24.com. And as I said, I will bring Dr. Kelly Victory in here in just a moment. But first, please welcome RFK Jr. Welcome back, sir. Very happy to be here, Joe. So somewhat different circumstances than our last conversation,

Starting point is 00:02:43 but I want you to know you said something that jumped out so profoundly to me, and I hope you don't mind me asking this as sort of an opening question. Somebody asked you what you would do to unite the country, and you responded as though you hadn't been thinking about it, but you had this very genuine response. I'd be curious to know if it's something you'd thought about before or not. But you said, what would I do? I would stop lying to the American people. And I thought, oh, my God, that is one of the most profound and clear and accurate answers I've ever heard in politics. So I wonder if you could expand on that a little bit, both where the lying is coming in. I think we know it's coming in all over the place.

Starting point is 00:03:24 But where is it concerning you most and how would that bring people together uh well the lies are as you know are coming from the government at this point and from the media which is uh which is aligned with you know large corporations in the government and in government in promoting these official orthodoxies. But one of the reasons I said that, Drew, was because I saw what happened to my father in 1968. My father, when he ran, had almost no chance of winning and did not believe that he was going to win. He was running against an incumbent president of his own party.

Starting point is 00:04:01 He was running against the war. And he felt like he had to run morally because he couldn't support President Johnson during the election. And he would have felt like, he just would have felt like he was, he'd had to either hide or go against the president of his own party. But he was, he had all the unions against him who had been with him when he had run my uncle's campaign eight years earlier in 1960. He had the big city mayors against him, including Mayor Daley. People had been critical to the victory back then. He had all the newspapers, particularly the liberal newspapers like the New York Times, Village Boys, all of them were against them.

Starting point is 00:04:45 They were on the side of the president. He had all the New Frontier people who had run with him in 1960 and who he had put in office. He had run my uncle's campaign. We're now with LBJ, and we're working in the White House. They were against him. His chance of winning were very, very small, but that hopelessness allowed him kind of a freedom, liberated him to really tell the truth to people. And when he went to speak to colleges and the students asked him, are you going to maintain our draft affirmance? He said, no, the college affirmance are unfair. All of these students were in college because they wanted to

Starting point is 00:05:27 escape Vietnam. They booed him originally, and then they began applauding him. When he went to Creighton or Indiana Medical School and the medical students asked him, who's going to pay for your health care program? He told them, you are. He lectured people in Watts, in a black community about law and order. He lectured people at the University of Alabama on civil rights. And everywhere he went, he was telling people things that were hard truths, but they didn't want to hear.

Starting point is 00:06:02 And the last day of his life, he united the country. He won both the most urban state in our country, California, and the most rural state, South Dakota. And when I, you know, the days after his death, we had this train ride that we took him on from Penn Station in New York to Union Station in Washington to bury him at Arlington. That trip usually takes two and a half hours. It took seven and a half hours because there were two million people along the track.

Starting point is 00:06:40 And they were the people that supported him in that election. And they were whites and they were blacks. They were rabbis, Jews in that crowd. I was on the train. I was 14 years old. And it was a whole cross-section of the American experience. Four years later, most of the white people in that crowd, their demographic data showed, had supported not him, but supported

Starting point is 00:07:05 George, not George McGovern, who was very aligned with my father and who was running in 72, but they supported George Wallace, who was antithetical to everything that my father talked about. And so somehow he had taken poor whites and blacks and unified them. And his strategy was just to tell them the truth. And I think one of the things that's really dividing people today is there's no agreement on what information is. We're all going to different sources because we cannot trust the sources that are there to actually provide us good information, which is the government and the media that were trustworthy for the most part in 1968. But, you know, only when my uncle left office in 64, 80% of Americans trusted the government and even more trusted the

Starting point is 00:08:02 media. You know, people like Walter Cronkite. Today, 22% of Americans trust the government and even more trust of the media you know people like Walter Cronkite today 22% of Americans trust the government and those are people who are not I would say they're not paying attention because anybody who trusts the government today is you know is as you know they're not not it's not trustworthy let's face it and the media is not trustworthy today, it's not trustworthy, let's face it. And the media is not trustworthy today. Yeah. It's become glaringly obvious. I'm not sure everyone really gets how bad it is, but it's bad.

Starting point is 00:08:37 At least, you know, it's like Gelman amnesia, right? You have, there's a famous physicist named Gelman that would pick up the paper read it whoops i'm there we go read it every day and whenever they would have a topic on an article on physics he would go my god they they got this all wrong and yet he assumed that the rest of the paper was accurate the point is we have amnesia in other areas that's a really that is i don't mean to interrupt you sorry but it just strikes me that that is, you know, that's one of the things that, and if I'm up against for years, when I talk on

Starting point is 00:09:12 the vaccine issue, and I don't want to drag this into that, you know, into that issue again, but people, you know, liberals in my party do not trust the pharmaceutical industry. The four companies that make all the vaccines in this country have paid $35 billion in criminal penalties and damages over the past decade for lying to physicians, for defrauding regulators, for falsifying science, and for, you know, for killing hundreds of thousands of people. I mean, the opioid epidemic, which is just a lie. You have the regulatory agency, FDA. Anybody who wants to know what happened should go watch Toe Sick, which you can see on Netflix. But it was the Sacklers and all these pharmaceutical companies who corrupted FDA and got FDA to tell people that opioids were safe and effective and not addictive, that oxycodone was not addictive, that it was safe and effective.

Starting point is 00:10:13 It did the same thing, Merck did the same thing with Vioxx in the early 2000s. It knew that Vioxx caused heart attacks. And the problem was it didn't tell anybody. It didn't tell the public. They knew they were killing people in their clinical trials from heart attacks, but they went ahead and marketed it as a... That's the zone. Right there is the zone that you're putting your finger on that I think so much unravels.

Starting point is 00:10:42 They find things, things show up in their data, they show it to the FDA and tell them then why they shouldn't be concerned about it. It's exactly what they do with Vioxx. And the same thing is happening with so many other products. And of course, as you've helped me learn, the coziness between government and the big corporations in terms of going back and forth with jobs and whatnot.

Starting point is 00:11:07 That's rather disturbing. I wasn't as aware of it until you told me about it, and I found it to be quite true. But I'm also wondering, you know, I feel like so much else is completely, I don't know what to call it, but inaccurate, and we're just supposed to swallow it. And I don't think people are up for that anymore. It's not just, you're right, the pharmaceuticals is just sort of an isolated example. Gelman amnesia is another example in

Starting point is 00:11:37 the press. But it feels like bureaucracy itself, that people have started to sort of justify their behavior based on doing good. I'm saving the country from fascists. I'm saving the country from populism. I'm saving the country from whatever. And untoward harm is being done in the name of thinking yourself good. And then lying just becomes a natural sort of justifiable behavior to save the country. Is that what we're into here? Well, I think there's two, to me, there's two issues that you put your finger on.

Starting point is 00:12:17 One is the agency capture phenomenon, which is happening across our government, where we're seeing this merger of state and corporate power where the companies and industries that are being regulated are capturing the agencies that are supposed to regulate them and basically turning them into predatory organisms against the American people and instruments for essentially strip mining our assets, for commoditizing our people, for selling poisonous products and making a lot of money on it and liquidating our environment and our children for cash.

Starting point is 00:13:01 That's happening and that's happening in all of the agencies. And I, you know, one of the things that why I feel like I could be helpful running for president is I've spent 40 years litigating against these agencies. And I've been into the weeds. I kind of have a PhD in agency capture and how you unravel. I've spent 20 years suing USDA, the Department of Agriculture, which has taken that agency, which was designed to protect and nurture small farmers in this country

Starting point is 00:13:36 who are critical to democracy. Thomas Jefferson said, American democracy is rooted in tens of thousands of independent freeholds owned by family farmers. But that agency has now become the instrument, the weapon, agribusiness has weaponized that agency to destroy the small farmer and destroy good food in this country. And the whole processed food industry and the pesticide industry and chemical industry, Cargill and Monsanto and Bo Pilgrim and Frank Perdue and John Tyson

Starting point is 00:14:08 are running that agency. And they're not running it for the benefit of the American people. They're running it for their own profits. The pharmaceutical industry runs HHS, FDA, NIH, CDC, and that is agency capture on steroids because there's all these economic entanglements that occur nowhere else in the government. FDA gets 50% of its budget from pharmaceutical companies. NIH and NIH individual scientists are allowed to collect royalties on pharmaceutical products that they regulated and developed, that they helped regulate and develop, which, you know, that

Starting point is 00:14:51 agency has now been, the regulatory function has been subsumed by the mercantile ambitions of the agency itself and individuals who are supposed to be protecting us. You know, DOT, the reason that train, I'm representing a thousand people whose lives were upended by the Norfolk Southern crash in East Palestine, and that crash was a direct product of agency capture of the failure of government. So all of the, and I've sued the FEC, all of these agencies, even the CIA and the FBI, but really the CIA has become, you know, captured by the military industrial complex. My uncle recognized this when he first came into office, that the function of that agency has been to provide the military industrial complex, these big contractors, with a constant pipeline of new wars to enrich them. But they're impoverishing the middle class in this country in the process.

Starting point is 00:16:00 And really, the horrifying thing to me, we're going to bring Dr. Victory in here in just a second, but is back to the idea of the Gelman amnesia that you're familiar with the areas where you have taken on these organizations, but the presumption is that all the agencies have some degree of capture. And that's the part that I find breathtaking. taking. Yeah. And I love, I've never heard a term gel and amnesia, but it's very, very useful because people tend to identify, like I said, they know that the drug, that the agencies, the drug companies lied about Biox and opioids, but there's about, they can convince themselves at other products, including COVID vaccines, that this is the way, even though when it comes to the vaccines, the agency, the companies have no penalty for lying because you can't sue them. We found out about opioids, we found out about Vioxx because private attorneys sued those companies on behalf of clients who were injured by those

Starting point is 00:17:06 products. What if you have a product that they can never be sued for no matter what they do, that no matter how grievous your injury, no matter how negligent their conduct, no matter how reckless they are, no matter how toxic the ingredient, nobody can sue them. Do you think, does your logic tell you that under those circumstances, they are actually going to exercise more care and concern about that product? And of course, you know, it was not just the company. These were conspiracies between the company and the regulatory agency that's also supposed to be protecting us.

Starting point is 00:17:43 And the agency becomes complicit in all of the, you know, in the promotion of these products and the manufacture of these products and in collecting royalties. And because we don't really, because they are so opaque, we have no idea what other forces are coming to bear on the things they're telling us. So it all seems completely hogwash. But Robert F. Ken Kennedy Jr. is here with us. I'm going to bring Dr. Kelly Victory in. I had to shut down the Twitter spaces. We had some kind of technical problem where no one could hear us. So please do come on over to any of the

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Starting point is 00:21:41 get your free info kit on gold. That is B-I-R-C-h-d-o-l-d dot com slash d-r-e-w there we are kelly victory your friend rfk jr hey welcome back how are you great to see you as always thanks for uh for getting back with us here um i want to pick up on exactly where you and drew were just chatting but when people have asked me about your candidacy, because many people are interested in it, I've said that, in my opinion, you are the anti-corruption candidate. And I cannot think of a more compelling or important platform to have, given where we are as a country. I think it's absolutely where the focus should be, and I appreciate you for that. You and Drew were talking about agency capture, specifically Big Pharma's involvement,

Starting point is 00:22:33 over-aggressive, the tentacles that go from Big Pharma into HHS, the CDC, the FDA. At the risk of being Debbie Downer here, one of the things that I have become aware of in the duration of this pandemic debacle is the involvement of big pharma in the medical literature, medical journals. And I know Drew will agree with me on that. It used to be that I would go to the storied medical journals, the Lancet, BMJ, JAMA, and get what I consider to be that going to the source. I really prided myself in going to the source. Now we find out that actually big pharma is overly in bed with the medical journals. There is no such thing anymore as evidence-based medicine

Starting point is 00:23:26 When it turns out that the evidence itself is fundamentally propaganda And so I guess what I would ask you is when you look at this as deeply as you have the involvement the agency capture How do we rid big pharma not only from you know, thedc the fda yet but how do we get them the hell out of controlling health care in this country because that has really been in my mind much of what has created the disaster of this pandemic yeah and you're right it's the journals uh but it's also control of uh universities, medical schools, which are making a lot more money from NIH funding. NIH now, its primary function is no longer basic research. Why are we having this chronic disease epidemic that is now

Starting point is 00:24:23 affecting probably 70% of American children, 65 to 70% of American children. Where is it coming from? Why did we go autism from one in 10,000, my generation of one in 30 today? Why did food allergies suddenly appear in 1989? Peanut allergies. Why did autoimmune disease suddenly appear in 1989? And the epidemic, rheumatoid arthritis, juvenile diabetes, and all these, all the neurological disorders, why is that, why are Americans suddenly obese? You know, what is it? I think these are all environmental toxins that are causing these issues, because genes don't cause epidemic. Then of course, the NIH no longer funds

Starting point is 00:25:09 that kind of basic science to make that determination, which is what it's supposed to do. It's become an incubator for pharmaceutical products. And it develops the products in NIH labs that it forms them out to universities and pays the universities half a billion dollars to each in some cases to go through phase one trial and then the university gets to keep a royalty interest and then it goes to phase two and phase three universities do that and then or phase two trials and the pharmaceutical company comes in, does phase three and gets the approval,

Starting point is 00:25:46 and that's all done in-house at HHS, and everybody gets the keep-a-piece, so the universities are, everybody along the way. What you said about the journals is really critical, Kelly, because Marcia Engel, who was a long-time editor of New England Journal of Medicine, said publicly in her book that the journals can no longer be trusted. They become vessels for pharmaceutical industry propaganda.

Starting point is 00:26:17 Richard Orton, who runs The Lancet, the most storied journal in history, 170 years old, said the same thing about the Lancet, that most of the articles in the Lancet are propaganda and not truth. And these, you know, the original purpose and claim of these journals was a search for existential truths about medicine, where we can go there and the like.

Starting point is 00:26:42 One of the first thing, and the reason for that is 85% in most cases of the revenues from these journals, and some of them are enormously lucrative, is coming from pharmaceutical advertising and from preprints. A preprint is when a pharmaceutical company creates a study that oftentimes lies about the efficacy and safety of its product. And then it gets the, you know, use political clout to get and financial clout to get the Lancetrints of that study and hands those, which is, it's a little pamphlet that just has the study on, but the cover of the Lancet. And then it distributes that to 150,000, 200,000 pharmaceutical reps that work for those companies. And when they go to visit doctors, they hand the doctor that preprint and they say, look, the Lancet has said that this is a great product, that it works. It's very, very persuasive because doctors do not know that the

Starting point is 00:27:51 Lancet has become utterly corrupted, that the New England Journal of Medicine, that the Journal of American Medical Association are utterly corrupt. There's nothing in there that can be believed. As soon as I'm elected and appoint my attorney general, one of the first meetings that my attorney general is going to have is to call the editors and publishers of those journals into our office, the Justice Department where my father used to work, and tell them that we are about to file racketeering cases against them for lying to the public under antitrust acts and under fraud acts

Starting point is 00:28:31 and under RICO, which is a statute that my father wrote. And that if they don't come up with a plan as to how they are going to divorce themselves from the pharmaceutical industry, that we are going to go into their office and we're going to confiscate their files and that we are going to prosecute them permanently because this is just part of the big lie to the American public. They're deceiving doctors. They are harming people. They are killing Americans. And we need to make it stop. No, I agree with you. I'm curious, guys.

Starting point is 00:29:07 Go ahead. Go ahead, Drew. Keep going, Kelly. Okay, what I was going to say is, to be clear, it's not just the fact that they are publishing things that are fraudulent. It's all the articles and studies they won't publish because they won't publish anything

Starting point is 00:29:25 that speaks against a pharmaceutical agent that they want. Then you add on top of that the crowning blow, which is if you're sitting like I am in California today, they pass SB 2098 that says on top of it, a physician can be frankly prosecuted for speaking out and saying anything against the prescribed narrative of the state. So if they control the agencies, they control the CDC, the FDA, the NIH, they control what's in the storied medical journals, and then they say, and if you dare on top of that doctor be a thinking individual who still manages to find a nugget of truth, if you dare speak it, we will strip you of your medical license.

Starting point is 00:30:10 Kelly, I got to tell you, we'll just call that the opioid crisis. Having lived through the opioid crisis and been one of those people who was condemned by the Department of Mental Health, the Joint Commission on Hospital Accreditation, the VA, the California Medical Association, our own Board of Medical Quality Assurance, because I was old-fashioned, a dinosaur, and interested in human suffering, because I wouldn't give my heroin addicts Vicodin when they demanded it, or I wouldn't give 90 pills to somebody as they left a drug treatment center. It was an insanity. So whenever they talk

Starting point is 00:30:46 about standard of care, and that was the standard of care set by those agencies, of course, as RFK Jr. pointed out, created by the Sacklers and undermined and put rocket fuel into it by them. Again, I think it's so funny that we started out talking about Gelman amnesia. He's right. The Gelman amnesia is a model for how we should look at so many of these different government agencies and how they are involved with our life and where they have gone off the rail by involving themselves with these corrupting influences. It's got to be. I think he's really onto it. So my question is, well, that's that's a way to do it in one agency. What else, what are you going to do? That's for the journals.

Starting point is 00:31:28 What are you going to do for the big agencies? What are you going to do for the FBI and the CIA? What do you have planned there for those guys? Or is that still a work in progress? Here's the thing. That's what I think about in my leisure time. Other people think about other stuff that I think about. And, you know, with the CIA, which I think is the most problematical.

Starting point is 00:31:55 And, you know, we saw the Durham report and all of these, which, you know, I I'm a Democrat, but that's not a partisan issue when you have federal enforcement agencies framing whatever you think of the president. And I am not a fan of Donald Trump, but he's the president of the United States. You cannot have law enforcement agencies illegally and fraudulently framing him. And it's really insane. But with the CIA, my dad had a plan for reorganizing the CIA. And like most of these agencies, it is a victim of perverse incentives. My daughter-in-law, who is one of the top officials on my campaign, Amaryllis Fox, was a clandestine spy for the CIA for her whole career. She was an agent in the weapons and mass destruction program in the Mideast and in China. And she published a book against the CIA's orders, and her relationship with the agency is shattered.

Starting point is 00:33:09 She is a very jaundiced eye about the agency and is brilliant about it in the way that she thinks about it. But what she says, there's 20,000 people who work for that agency, and this can be said for most of the agency. There's 22,000 people who work for the CIA. Ninety percent of them are good Americans and they're good public officials and they're patriots and they want to do the right thing and they have the idealism still that led them into those jobs. The problem is that the people who tend to flourish at these agencies and survive and rise to run the divisions and the branches are people who

Starting point is 00:33:46 are in the tank with industry and who are carrying the water for the industry. The CIA has, FDA as I talked about, and the health agencies have their own unique set of problems, which is these financial entanglements with the industries they're supposed to regulate with the pharmaceutical industry. The CIA has a perverse incentive system of its own that's unique, which is that the plans division, which is the clandestine division, which is the division that does black ops. It starts wars, and it fixes elections, and it assassinates leaders, and bribeses unif officials and does all this kind of dirty work, then it is that there's no, there's a seamless unity between that and the espionage division, which is spying, which is information gathering.

Starting point is 00:34:40 We need the espionage division to be functional. We need information. The espionage division is intended to, was the original intent of the whole CIA, because it wasn't supposed to be able to have doing these paramilitary actions and other mischief. But Alan Dull has changed that very, very early on with these cunning legislative and other maneuvers. Originally, it was created simply as an espionage agency to gather information for the President of the United States to do a high-level analysis and then provide him with good advice. But unfortunately, what's happened is the Klanderstein Division

Starting point is 00:35:21 is the tail that is now wagging the espionage dog. And so the espionage division now becomes, its function is to justify things that were done by the Klanderstein division and provide them new opportunities to fix things. And every time they try to fix something, it gets worse. And there's never any accountability. So that, you know that if the CIA does something like propagandize the American people, which is illegal under his charter,

Starting point is 00:35:51 but it's doing every day. And that's part of what it was doing. It was doing the Twitter file showed that the CIA had a portal that it was using to censor people like me. It's illegal to do that. And yet they were doing it. And nobody's looking over their shoulder. And we need to provide those two functions into separate agencies and have the espionage division really hold accountable

Starting point is 00:36:17 the plans division. I'll just give you a couple of examples. If you ask the CIA today, you know, about its greatest successes, one of the things that will list was the overthrow of Mohammad Mossadegh in Iran in 1953. And Mohammad Mossadegh was a, you know, was the first democratically elected president in the history, in Persia's 4,000 year history, he was beloved around the world. But he nationalized the oil companies, including Texaco and BP. And Texaco had been one of Allen Dulles' clients when he was an attorney in his prior job as an attorney for Sullivan Cromwell. And we overthrew him. And, you know, the CIA regards that as a success story, but we are still living with the catastrophe because everybody in Iran knows that we overthrew their government when they had a democratically elected government. It's just part of the DNA in the Iranian mind. Iran should be our best friend, along with Israel in the Mideast. They shouldn't be our enemy. And the reason they're still our enemy is largely rooted in that act.

Starting point is 00:37:27 The same thing is true with Guatemala the following year. The CIA overthrew the democratically elected president of Guatemala, probably the greatest figure in Guatemalan history because he nationalized United Fruit, which was another of Alan Dulles' clients. Well, today, the people who are flooding to the border, you know, that are disproportionately Guatemalan, that country has never recovered from that act. In fact, the only country in Central America that is not sending refugees up to the border in any significant numbers is Costa Rica.

Starting point is 00:38:10 It is the wealthiest country per capita in Central America and the most stable. It is the only country in Central America that we have never invaded and that the CIA has not killed any of its leaders. The only country. What we need is to look at the CIA actions. When the CIA bomb kills a terrorist with a drone strike and his family dies, that's written down as a success story. We need somebody to look over and say, really, is it really a success? What happened to his brothers now and his cousins and his kids?

Starting point is 00:38:46 Are they now filled with hatred in the United States? Are they strapping on suicide bomb vests? Are they now recruited into terrorist organizations? And we really need to do that kind of a high-level analysis, and that's not happening at the CIA at all. The big issue is that the president really knows that it's not happening. The CIA has to distort everything to justify what's happening with the plant division. We need to separate those two functions. Talk a little bit more about, you know, when you talk about propaganda and we, Caleb was

Starting point is 00:39:26 showing a couple of tweets of yours where you're talking about censorship. You can't have a successful propaganda campaign without necessarily silencing, it includes part and parcel, silencing those voices, those people who say other things. Talk about your approach to the over-involvement of the federal government with big tech. We live, unfortunately or fortunately, in a land of social media, whether it's Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube. You know, when the federal government is colluding with and working with big tech, these private agencies, to shut up, silence, sideline, and cancel alternative voices.

Starting point is 00:40:06 Where would you stand on that? How would you approach that issue? Well, those technology companies, those social media platforms, they're analogous to publishers. And a publisher can publish anything it wants, and it can refuse to publish anything it wants. So if a publisher, if a social media company like Facebook or Instagram, which deplatform me, they have an absolute right to do that. If they don't like what I'm saying, and if I'm saying something that they consider inaccurate or whatever, they're allowed to do that. Even if what I'm saying is accurate, which it was, and

Starting point is 00:40:51 it was, you know, I guess they can do it. The problem is when the government tells them to do it and pressures them to do it. And then the First Amendment is implicated because the government is not allowed to direct the censorship of speech. And that was what was happening. We now know from the Twitter files and from all these emails that are being released that the federal government was actively pressuring these companies to do things that probably the companies did not want to do. Some of the companies, the optics were very bad for those companies because those companies were the primary beneficiaries of the lockdowns. And so the lockdowns really changed the economic profile of our country. Every day of the lockdowns, we created a new billionaire. There were 500 new billionaires created, and we closed down 3.3 million businesses, small businesses.

Starting point is 00:41:48 And then Amazon essentially got to close down all of its competitors and then profited enormously from that shutdown and just changing human behavior and increasing revenues exponentially. So it was during the lockdown, there was a 3.3 billion, a trillion, 3.98, other words, $4 trillion shift in wealth. Biggest in history from the American middle class to this new generation, this new aristocracy of billionaires. We, as I said, we created 500 new billionaires, but the Oxfam report, which just came out, shows that the billionaires who were billionaires prior to the pandemic increased their

Starting point is 00:42:33 wealth on average by 30%. And many of those were social media companies that were, or media like Bloomberg, which were actively censoring criticism of the lockdown. And so the optics for those companies today are really bad. And I think, you know, one of the things that I'm going to really investigate in the White House is how much of that, which I'll be able to do because I'll be running the agencies now, these law enforcement agencies, and I'll be able to get to the bottom of it. How much of this was government pressure against unwilling social media companies, and how much were they actively colluding, in which case we need to think about how to regulate them, whether we need to turn them into common carriers so that they cannot be censored or what. There's a lot of options that we can do, but we really need to kind of understand what

Starting point is 00:43:32 happened during the pandemic and how much was them and how much was just raw government pressure. You know, I got censored heavily, but I want to say this. My censorship was less impactful on my life. I have, because of my background, because of my history as a successful attorney and the relationships I built over time, I have a certain amount of resilience so that they could not completely crush me. But there are other people. They're just, you know, they're doctors like Peter McCulloch, who I know is a friend of this show, and Robert Malone, and Ryan Cole. You know, Ryan Cole is just a humble physician and business guy from Idaho. And you're going to now go in and try to take his life medical license and ruin his life and destroy his family so he can't pay his mortgage. And so many doctors suffered like that.

Starting point is 00:44:33 And that is, you know, that's inexcusable. And we need to make sure that that can never happen again. And, you know, one of the things I'd love to talk to you guys about sometime is just the role of the medical boards in deplatforming. Go ahead, Bobby. Sorry. I just want to say one last thing, which is you brought up this terrible bill in California, which is now going to, you know, it's a doctor don't treat your patient bill. It's a doctor, you know, it makes, it does something that is really breathtaking, which is it shatters this 2,800 year old relationship between physicians and their patients that has existed since Hippocrates, where that, hey, you know when you go to your doctor that his duty is to you and that he is going to,

Starting point is 00:45:33 he's going to use all of his talents, all of his gifts in healing, he or she, to treat you, keep your confidences, and that you're going to be the center of his attention so you tell the truth to him and you're going to be the center of his attention. So you tell the truth to him and you reveal everything to him. And we protect that with laws that are the doctor patient privilege laws so that they're going to give you, when you go to your doctor, the best

Starting point is 00:45:57 treatment possible. You've now changed that relationship. So the doctor is now not have this special relationship with the patient he now becomes an agent of the state correct that's what yes that's what i have is this is it in germany as terrifying as it is it is as we say as terrifying as it is to to a to a patient it should be far i to a physician, 2098 is terrifying to physicians. It should be far more terrifying to patients because you can no longer trust that the advice or course of treatment that your physician is suggesting

Starting point is 00:46:34 is because he or she believes based on his or her experience, what they've read in the journals, their background, their training is the right thing, or is it simply because they can't afford to lose their license because they've got a mortgage to pay? So you can't trust what your doctor says. Or are they treating you for the good of other people, which is what, you know, they're, so are they, you know, are they giving you this treatment, which is not benefiting you, but it's good for the community in their minds.

Starting point is 00:47:06 And, you know, that is, it's a subtle, but it is such a traumatic, you know, and I was going to say this during, you know, during the, during the third Reich, doctors were told that they had to report patients who had defects. In other words, had, you know, if they had physical defects, if they had mental defects, and those patients were then, you know, eliminated one way from the population of the breeding pool, whatever. Many of them were sterilized. Many of them were killed. And every physician in, you know, this is in, I'm taking this from William Shire's book,

Starting point is 00:47:47 The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. He says, not one physician in Germany objected publicly to this, and none of the medical associations. Everybody went along with this. And it completely changes the relationship between doctor and patient because the doctor is now treating the patient as an agent of state policy rather than for the good of that patient. And you can imagine where this goes, for example, you know, in China, where they, you know, they have these birth policies. Is the, you know, is the doctor going to sterilize you because he doesn't believe that you are a good reader?

Starting point is 00:48:29 Nowadays, most of our medical expenses as a nation go to treating people in the last six months of their lives. Is it a better social policy just to eliminate those people early on so that we don't waste all that money and we should spend it elsewhere and and the the doctor now becomes the arbiter of those kind of decisions rather than the narrowly focused on how do i they are they are definitely going for that there's no doubt in my mind that's what a certain ideology would defend exactly what you're talking about i mean i look the way we dealt just covid was a living, breathing example at the way we, whether you agree with vaccination or not, the way we rolled out the vaccine was based on what was good for the community. And that was good for the individual at hand. There was a lot, there's a lot of that they're going for all the time. And you're right. It's an, it's a grotesque

Starting point is 00:49:19 adulteration of the physician patient relationship. And just let me tell you quickly on 2098, when I saw that I called the California medical board and I spoke to the president of the physician-patient relationship. And just let me tell you quickly on 2098, when I saw that, I called the California Medical Board and I spoke to the president of the California Medical Board. Lovely woman. She's an attorney. Her father was a urologist. I believe she means well. She was reassuring, though two chilling things came out of it.

Starting point is 00:49:39 A, she said, you know, we didn't really need this. We already have the authority to do anything we want that way, which was lovely to hear. And secondly, secondly, I thought to myself, well, she's well-meaning and smart, but who gets in that job next? Who gets in that job next? And what will that create? Yeah. I mean, you have to assume, and this is just a rule in political science, any power that a government takes from you, it will never give back voluntarily. And number two, any power they take, it will ultimately be abused to the maximum and possible. So you have to assume that if you give them a power, it is going to be abused. And

Starting point is 00:50:19 it's usually very nice, well-meaning power, who are who are you know aggregating those powers and then they leave and somebody really malevolent comes in and you know and starts using those powers in the ways that you know are nightmarish but always in the name of good always name of weird we're the good guys doing what's right for everybody. And that's the that's the horror story of government excess. amorphous, unelected nonprofit group called the Federation of State Medical Boards. You're hard pressed to even find the names of the people on that or get a mailing address. They're down in Texas. They have literally destroyed the lives of hundreds and hundreds of physicians during this pandemic. I personally had to defend myself seven times to the state medical boards in various states for things that I said on various television shows or radio shows.

Starting point is 00:51:30 And it's debilitating. It's exhausting. It's emotionally trying- Not what you're supposed to be doing. Financially taxing. And it certainly, for most people, everybody shuts up and says, I can't afford that. I don't want that to happen to me. So it has the chilling effect.

Starting point is 00:51:47 And they have this tremendous power because we represented a lot of these physicians. One of the things I was doing at CHD was bankrolling cases for these physicians who were getting steamrolled and then representing them and making sure they had good counsel. And those cases always get lost. We lose them every time because the power of those medical boards to do, the courts look at them as kind of a club, that they're not really a governmental organization, that it's a club. And being a doctor is being part of a club. And if you're part of a club, the club can get rid of you

Starting point is 00:52:27 no matter for good reason or bad reason, and the club can lie. They can cheat. They can steal. They can do anything they want, and the courts can't interfere with it. It's really just a breathtaking hour that they exercise in. When I get in there, I'm going to figure out how to fix that. I don't know exactly how because they're state operated, but there's going to be, I'm going to figure out a federal lever to either punish that behavior or just to make sure that doctors are never victimized again. Doctors ought to be able to treat their patients without somebody looking over their shoulder. It's been terrible what's happened the last three years. And doctors

Starting point is 00:53:08 are living in terror. I'm shocked because I just thought all the doctors were against me, you know, because they all just bought into their orthopedic. And I go into the UCLA Medical Center and people come out and hug me and say, thank you. I had to stay silent. I couldn't talk, but I'm so grateful that you were out there doing it. It's been very, very tough for me. No question. I'm watching the clock here. If you'll indulge me, I'd want to switch gears if we could and talk a little bit about education and what the heck is going on with our education system here in the United States. I mean, the three of us here today got at least our primary education before there was a Department of Education. It didn't exist until, what, 1974, I think it was established. So now we have this behemoth in Washington,

Starting point is 00:53:58 this Department of Education. And I don't know what's going on in our schools or who the heck is running it, but, you know, children, we certainly aren't holding our own on an international level. We're getting our pants beaten off by people in China and elsewhere, India. They're getting way ahead of us in terms of our math and reading scores. And more worrisome perhaps is that it seems they're spending far more time on social justice issues, gender studies, gender equality, and things of that sort, rather than the basics. Talk a little bit about where you stand on what's going on in the U.S. education, particularly public school education is what I'm talking about, and how you would address the problems there. Yeah, I mean, a lot of the problems with schools are, you know, are occurring on the state levels and the way that you, and that, you know, the choices that people make about how to educate their kids and how the schools operate are really are state level choices and wouldn't be easily susceptible to a federal fix. But, you know, I, to me, the welfare of our children, the educator education of our children is the number one

Starting point is 00:55:17 issue we need to be, uh, you know, we need to have kids who can, who can compete globally. And I don't know exactly how to fix what's happening now. It's one of the issues that I really need to study when I get in there and between now and the election. But what's happening now is intolerable. My sister-in-law is a teacher. She teaches teachers and Cheryl's sister, and she's a PhD, and she teaches at UCF. And, you know, it's ridiculous the pay that teachers get in this country. You know, why are these the people who are most important to our children. Why aren't we paying them what they're worth? I think we can begin partially with that.

Starting point is 00:56:11 I have a quick anecdote and a question. One is I remember when President Obama was in office and Chelsea Handler brought his Secretary of Education into her show. She goes, I've never been educated. I figured I'd bring the secretary of education to try to understand education better. And she goes, what do you do as secretary of education? He stopped and went,

Starting point is 00:56:33 what do I do? Well, I make sure the civil rights of every student in the country is maintained. That's my job as secretary of education. I thought, oh my God, nothing to do with education. That's unbelievable. So I wonder what's going on in that department number one number two we're sort of rolling to a stop here you've been very generous with your time i don't want to let you go without a quick question about fentanyl and what you might be able to do about that uh well uh i mean you know my history is, you know, I was a drug addict myself for 14 years from the beginning, right after my dad died when I was 15 years old. And so I've been, you know, I've been thinking about sobriety for 40 years. And I see what's happening in this country now, this dramatic expansion of opioid deaths.

Starting point is 00:57:29 We now, I think last year had 106,000 opioid deaths. That's almost twice of the number of kids that were killed in the Vietnam War, in 20-year Vietnam War, but we're killing that many every year. And all of us, I don't think there's a family in this country whose lives have not been touched. My family certainly has. I lost a couple of my brothers. I've lost a niece during the pandemic to opioid overdoses. And if you go to rural communities like the ones that I spend a lot of time in, in this country, it's a plague beyond anything that I think any American can ever imagine. And a lot of it, it's interesting because I know you're an expert on addiction and a lot of people will argue that 10% of any population is going to be addicts on that there is a genetic component to addiction.

Starting point is 00:58:30 And that, you know, what drug you get addicted to is kind of, you know, is cultural. But you're just going to have this group of people that it's always going to be addicts. But I think it's pretty clear also that addiction is, you know, drug addiction for me was kind of a shortcut to spirituality in a weird way, because it comes from a disconnectedness and a hunger, an empty space inside of you that you need to fill with God somehow or some kind of spiritual connection. And instead, you reach outside of yourself for some substance or some action that will fix that emptiness inside of you. And I believe that that emptiness we feel inside of ourselves is compounded across the population. And, you know, with the alienation, people are feeling the

Starting point is 00:59:27 nihilism, the hopelessness. If you talk to young people in this country, in my era, they were the most idealistic people. Today, you know, I find such a high degree of hopelessness and nihilism in young people that we have to start reaching. One of the things I'm going to do, Drew, which is going to be my Peace Corps program, an analogy for my uncle's Peace Corps program, is I'm going to launch a series of healing centers all across our country. As you know, the recovery industry in this country is a very large industry. It may be

Starting point is 01:00:09 as big as $42 billion a year, but it's very predatory in many senses. And we need to be able to get, and it's very expensive, get've gone, when I first got sober, I would take people up to a place called High Watch Farms in Connecticut, which was started by the founders of AA and Bill Wilson and his friends. And then it was, and then it was handed over to another group because AA was not allowed by its own charter to own anything. And, but this place I could bring people to, there was no physician on staff, but it was basically barracks that were very pleasant. But they went to meetings and people

Starting point is 01:00:56 got treatment and you could do it for $75 a week. And I brought probably over 100 people up there and they got sober. And it was about reestablishing people's relationship with community and reorient, reparenting people, you know, who were completely lost in areas of their life. And to reestablish their connection with community and some kind of spirituality, not a religious nature, but to fill that empty hole with connectiveness. Addiction is a disease of isolation, and recovery is about re-establishing connections to other people and with community by cleaning up the defects of character that stand between you and other people. And one of my major initiatives is to go to rural areas in this country and build these facilities, partner with 501c3s, with charitable organizations,

Starting point is 01:02:02 and, you know, build facilities that kids can go to with mental illness. And by the way, the addiction is not just to heroin and fentanyl. There's 120 million addicts, and there's as many people addicted to SRIs and benzos. Screens. Right. He's saying screens. I'll tell you that, yeah, social media, I think, is the root of all evil because it is driving, I tell you, the disenfranchisement.

Starting point is 01:02:40 We have to wrap up. Go ahead, Bobby, finish. Go ahead. There's a place that I've visited many times that it's kind of a model for the way I'm thinking about this. In Italy, it's called San Padre Nano. And the only requirement for going there is that you commit to five years. It's absolutely free. And they do organic farming and they teach skills.

Starting point is 01:03:00 They have bakeries and furniture factories. And they are basically self-sufficient. And one thing is they do not allow screens. Nobody has a cell phone, and they're forced to actually talk with other human beings. And they reparented and learned that skill again about how to connect to communities. And I really want to, it's so successful over there. There's 2000 kids who live there. They can stay as long as they want. They stay a minimum of five years and they, they come out completely changed and we need to be able to help the people in this country who are lost right now. I, I can support virtually every word that came out of your mouth about

Starting point is 01:03:41 addiction and some of these models for treatment, it's absolutely accurate. Kelly, last word. We've got to let Bobby go. Well, I was just going to say, it goes way beyond addiction. It goes to the disenfranchisement of certainly Americans from one another. It's driving the increases in violent crimes. It's increasing all of the problems, I would say, that we are having can be boiled down to a disenfranchisement. People are disconnected from one another. And the more you drive social media, the more people have a false flag and believe that they actually have friends and connectivity when it's quite the opposite. The things that you're talking about, I think that it has made us, frankly, susceptible to the psyop that just occurred for the past three years in this pandemic.

Starting point is 01:04:32 And I don't think these things would have ever happened if people had been more grounded in family and church and community. So what you're talking about, I think, is critical. As I said, I introduced you as the anti-corruption candidate. I still think of you as that. But the work and what you're talking about with regard to bringing this country back together is absolutely predicated on what you're talking about in community, family, and regrounding as Americans. And that is a nonpartisan goal. So thank you for being here.

Starting point is 01:05:07 Yes, thank you. Thank you for your courage, Drew and Kelly. Thank you very much. You said that before, but I am – it's getting easier. It's getting a lot easier based on the things you're saying. I can get behind so much. So I really am kind of excited by a lot of what you said today. I hope other people are too.

Starting point is 01:05:28 And I promise to let you go. So I will do so. Kelly, thank you as always. See you on Wednesday, I believe you're back with me. With Dr. Latipo. Yeah. It might be. Oh, is that right?

Starting point is 01:05:41 No, I'm sorry. No, Atiba. Atiba. Dr. Latipo's the following week. Sorry. There you go. All right. Let everyone I'm sorry. No, Atiba. Atiba. Dr. Latimer was the following week. Sorry. There you go. All right. Let everyone go.

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