Ask Dr. Drew - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Sues YouTube For Dubious “Medical Misinformation” Censorship: Attorney Viva Frei Discusses – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 250

Episode Date: August 19, 2023

YouTube and Big Tech platforms continue to suppress experts and physicians who dissent from the CDC’s pandemic narrative, punishing channels under the guise of a “medical misinformation” policy. In response, 2024 Presidential Candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. filed a lawsuit against Google, demanding “a judicial declaration that YouTube’s medical misinformation policies are unconstitutional on their face.” Attorney Viva Frei discusses the legality of YouTube’s policies, the suppression of discussion through demonetization, activist organizations like Media Matters and the Center For Countering Digital Hate (recently sued by X), and why important voices are moving to Rumble and Twitter. David Freiheit AKA Viva Frei is an attorney and host of “Viva Frei” on Rumble and Locals.com. He also cohosts the legal podcast “Viva and Barnes Live” at https://VivaBarnes.Locals.com. Follow Viva Frei at https://twitter.com/thevivafrei and https://vivafrei.com/ 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • COZY EARTH - Say goodbye to hot, restless nights with soft, temperature-regulating bedding from Cozy Earth. Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW at checkout to save 40% at https://drdrew.com/cozy • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • PRIMAL LIFE - Dr. Drew recommends Primal Life's 100% natural dental products to improve your mouth. Get a sparkling smile by using natural teeth whitener without harsh chemicals. For a limited time, get 60% off at https://drdrew.com/primal • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 ABOUT the SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 For over 30 years, Dr. Drew has answered questions and offered guidance to millions through popular shows like Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Dr. Drew On Call (HLN), Teen Mom OG (MTV), and the iconic radio show Loveline. Now, Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio. Watch all of Dr. Drew's latest shows at https://drdrew.tv Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We are delighted to welcome Viva Fry back to the program. He, of course, is an attorney and a, what should we say, a runaway from the great Canadian government to our north. Today, we're going to focus a little bit on YouTube and big tech platforms, continuing to suppress experts and continue to do some very shady maneuvers in order to limit people's ability to express themselves or, more importantly, even to be seen on their platform. In response to this, 2024 presidential candidate RF Kennedy has filed a lawsuit against Google demanding a judicial declaration that YouTube's medical misinformation policies are unconstitutional on their face.

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you look like you're scheming scheming i tell you oh i'm just thinking of everything that's going right in the world right now and everyone should be happy and just you know be lucky that we've got some of our rights back and stop complaining yeah uh that that is it's seeming like a lot of people um at least those that perpetrated some of those restrictions of our rights, are very interested in us just moving on. Nothing to see here. Let's keep going. Are we going to solve some of the problems, some of the weaknesses in certainly our Constitution? and I'm guessing, I don't know how you deal with it in Canada, but particularly there's a constitutional wrinkle here that gives public health privileges to take away our rights whenever

they see fit. Seems to me there needs to be something in place to help mitigate those excesses. Oh yeah, there was something once upon a time in place in Canada. It was called the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which apparently is not worth the digital paper that it's not written on. And you have a constitution in the United States, but apparently the people are reading in the virus clause, which is everything stops and you have no more rights when there is a virus with whatever the survival rate is of that virus. I just did a podcast today, and Sean Newman is a Canadian guy and like I said Canada might have gone past the event horizon of the black hole of having all of your rights

sucked away from you. The United States still has a fighting chance but maybe I'm being a little too pessimistic. So Canada's done for. I'll continue kicking and screaming from south of the border but people don't really appreciate the laws that are coming into effect in Canada. Even if people want to fight, their voices are not going to be heard. Politically, peacefully, of course. Do you spend any time thinking about what's going on here? I mean, how we've gotten ourselves into this mess. It's just so, if somebody had read me, you know, a script that included the present moment of deteriorating,

well, as the weird preoccupation with certain people, with making sure people don't say the wrong things and telling doctors how they should behave with their patients, with making sure people don't say the wrong things and telling doctors how they should behave with their patients, all these sort of infringements on relationships and rights where people should have no opinion. People should have no business in it, let alone the government being involved with it. Has social media been part of the reason that people feel that their opinions now matter on everything and therefore they can tell for instance joe rogan's doctor how to treat joe rogan it's crazy i mean i was talking about it today that the censorship that we were complaining

about in 2018 when they were you know de-platforming the alex joneses and nobody really cared about it then because you know it it pertains to people who were unsavory that the public thought they didn't like rightly or wrongly fast forward five years and you've got YouTube banning doctors for medical misinformation when I once upon a time thought that practicing medicine without a license was a crime not not something that YouTube could do so like even comparing the censorship on YouTube that we've seen escalating easily for the last seven years, anybody who would have ever thought it would have gotten to this stage would have been thought of a madman in 2018, much like Alex Jones.

Yes. But no, it's nuts. When they de-platformed the president, Trump, Trump, you know, after 2020, so like when social media has the power to de-platform the president, they've become the president, uh, and people for some reason still don't seem to be outraged, but, uh, R R F K is taking a stand against it. We'll just see where, where this latest lawsuit goes. Do you think his suit has merit? Do you think he'll get somewhere with it?

Um, it, as far as a factual basis goes for anybody who doesn't know rfk jr is suing google which owns youtube basically on for first amendment violations arguing that um google's tos it's not you know what they say a private company's tos it's actually government protocol it's actually government core yeah terms of service it's actually basically the government speaking through google and YouTube, uh, coercing or incentivizing them to suppress silence and apply terms of service that are not a private enterprise carrying on its activity as a private enterprise, but rather an extension, a de facto or unwritten extension of the government. Um, there have been, and I've been covering these lawsuits since 2016. PragerU tried,

Candace Owens tried, Stossel tried, and everyone always said, argue, what do they call them, the constitutional towns? What do they call them? Incorporated towns. Argue that it's a monopoly. Argue that it's an extension of government. And they've all failed, but they haven't had the factual basis that we've now seen in RFK's lawsuit because we haven't had access to this information whether or not it existed at the time. We now have, I'll just pull up one paragraph from the lawsuit, paragraph 26, which basically is RFK has direct evidence that the government is emailing YouTube saying, take down this, or we'd like you to address this. And they do. So, you know, with the Missouri versus Biden, uh, legal standard with the Twitter files having been exposed,

we now have fact patterns that we've never had before. So an honest politically, uh, neutral court, uh, they, they look at this and say, well, do we believe that YouTube and Google and Twitter were not acting at the behest of, or under du duress of or at the coercion of the government? I don't know how anybody can look at it and say that that wasn't the case, but we'll see. As far as it goes, it's the strongest case fact pattern and because RFK is running for president and you've got a very, very strong First Amendment claim there. And when you say the government, how do we sort of qualify what goes under that heading? In other words, if somebody from the CDC, I guess they'd have to be directly employed by the federal government. And I'm guessing most CDC employees are.

But let's say they had somebody CDC adjacent call in and say, hey cdc is concerned because the you know their their conclusion is something quite different than what you're putting out on youtube think you want to take care of this i it seems to me that they could do a lot of coy things to you know really get around anything like this you know i'm saying well absolutely and just so all of your viewers know and so i don't get another people calling in complaints. I was a Quebec attorney. I have no U.S. constitutional training or whatever, but I can piece things together in my brain, and I do my weekly show with Robert Barnes, and I have picked his brain.

And if I've picked up 1% of it, I know more than most now, or at least understand more than most. Well, there will be that argument. That has always been the argument. It's not the government doing it directly. It's NGOs working in concert with government. And when it came down to the Twitter files, and Matt Taibbi exposed this, I believe, in his Twitter files about the involvement of the Election Integrity Partnership, where there was a video of them basically saying, government can't do it directly. And therefore, we're going to be that intermediary

to do what the government can't do itself. I mean, there are a number of ways where the government can exercise the influence in a constitutionally violative manner. And it doesn't have to be the government saying, you do this now, but coercion, enticement, what's the word? Well, not bribery, but rather, uh, it's either through punishment, bribery, or what's the, uh, the other extension of that bribery or caution. Let's just, let's go with that and say like, if you don't do it, we're going to break you up. If you don't do it, we're going to tax you.

If we don't do it, we're going to take away your section two 30 immunity. Or they say like, do it. And I think this is one of the strongest arguments. Remember when the FBI was working with twitter and they were basically you know getting paid to work with twitter to identify material to flag um but so there's a number of ways where you can make the argument but when we now know that we had confirmed back channels you had like you had government agencies working with yeah i mean how do you deny it now when jen saki gets up and he says we're working with facebook to flag content okay i mean that's a legal that seems to be like a

legal conclusion that one can come to that's the government exercising control through coercion or enticement is the word i was looking for there's even a there's even a problem i would say even stepping back from what it is they're doing with the coercion and enticement, which is that there is a fundamental sort of problem. Problem's not the right word. Sort of construct that has not been, to my estimation, shown to be factually accurate. And that is the following there is a growing group of people who believe that they whoever they are should be in control of dictating content on these platforms and they i mean they legitimately lie rely on published data they're not illegitimate in their in their position

and they may even be right I don't know be the problem is I think you're aware we've got a big problem these days with there being sort of a bias in the editorial process in science and so you're not seeing the full conversation the way we normally do but okay my. My point is, as someone who's worked in a psychiatric hospital for nearly four decades, one thing I know for sure, the way you foster paranoia in a normal person and accelerate paranoia in a paranoid person is you start making it clear that you are forbidding them from seeing or hearing certain things and not being clear on what those things are, but we're just not going to let you see them.

That is how you create, that is a perfect recipe for the creation of paranoia. And no one is having the conversation about whether fresh air, sunshine of information, is it good or bad? They have been judge and jury on this issue from the beginning. And as someone with a lot of experience in this area, I'm humbly suggesting they are wrong. And we're not even having that conversation. Drew, I mean, I don't know if it was Operation Cointelpro, but these are tactics that have been used by intelligence

for decades in and of themselves deliberately to bring about these results where you get people to get crazy. I mean, proverbially, not metaphorically. You get them to think everything is a conspiracy so that they act out in a way that allows everyone else to discredit them. Some argue that, and I think not to bring it to Alex Jones, but that is one of the reasons where, you know, you get so traumatized by conspiracy in the past that you then see it potentially where it doesn't exist. And they do it deliberately so they can then discredit you. I would argue or posit that they may have done it with the queue with Giuliani, with Sidney Powell, so that they can get these otherwise credible people to do something that discredits them so that they can be discredited going forward and that

anything of value that they would have otherwise had to say can now be disregarded. There's no question, I believe, that they're doing this in general. But the bigger problem is this. It's not even a question about not look there and let's get people who would otherwise be reliable to take the bait on issues so they discredit themselves. They're censoring true, accurate information because they don't- Yes, yes, seemingly, seemingly. I don't know what the rules are as to what I can mention here,

but I mean, they were censoring- Go ahead. Actual stories of actual injury because they didn't want to exacerbate or foment vaccine hesitancy. And so this was part of the Facebook stuff that we now know. know taking down stories but we don't want that person talking about their injury because others are going to get i mean it's it's um forget who it's also an intelligence thing where they say it's not a question of keeping the information from everybody forever because you can't it's just

a question of when you let the information out and so at first take down the stories it's all conspiracy theory then let it out slowly but surely and then you find out they were blocking it on purpose but you know oh we didn't want to create vaccine hesitancy and that was our rationale for suppressing truth and accuracy um it is george orwell come to life but something tells me it has always existed in one iteration or another we're just now really seeing it in real time clearly and uh there's a guy named mark chankisi do you know him he's he's a he's a cognitive psychologist and he's always talking about cognitive dissonance and and these sorts of uh crazy totalitarian movements and things and he said he said something interesting he said these movements don't aren't sort of of fomented or brought about by leaders.

It's the population that goes into hysteria, and the leaders then take advantage of that and sort of lead them on witch hunts or whatever it might be. Because when things feel out of control and crazy, you start looking for the witches. You start trying to figure who are the witches here? What happened? And these psychopathic leaders, that's when they come in and do their thing the psychopaths are always there waiting in the sideline it's when the rest of us have gone crazy that they have the opportunity to come in and really put the final the final brushstrokes on us no i i would even argue that the psychopaths in power created the hysteria so

they could then weaponize it afterwards. I mean, anybody reliving the last three years will remember, you know, the first couple weeks, couple months, they had a death count on the Chiron on all of these news outlets, just like it was day in, day out, deliberate infliction of emotional, psychological distress. But and then another thing, do you remember the fact check, Dr. Drew, that said mass formation psychosis doesn't exist? This was an AP, they say mass formation psychosis

in COVID doesn't exist. And we asked our group psychology experts, and I'm like, holy crap, you asked experts in mass formation psychosis as to whether or not it exists? And they said, it was i think many people feel by by design but yeah no this is um you whip people up into a frenzy they don't know what they can believe they don't know what they can't and then they start believing conspiracy theories which turn out to be true but by the time they find out that they turn out to be true everybody's just fatigued they're like oh okay

fine so i was you know we'll let it pass i'll keep reminding them dr drew yeah we we we are uh presenting our show today from essentially sort of a youtube purgatory it's not quite jail yet but we're being threatened with jail and uh susan do you want to talk about what what it is that we've been dealing with well first of all i just want to tell everybody to go to drdrew.com slash sponsors because that's the only way Caleb's going to be able to feed his babies. Because YouTube has demonetized us. I mean, we didn't really talk about this before

because it's not really about the amount of money they were giving us, but they're still running ads. When they demonetize, it decreases their motivation to push the shows. So the algorithm goes against you. I saw a decrease in money and then I saw a decrease in numbers. And I was like, something's going on here. Like this is not normal. And then after like six months, all of a sudden they just pulled the plug and they didn't tell us tell us which show it was or what we did wrong. And it's so demoralizing, especially when you work for four years on a show

and you start getting numbers and you start feeling like, hey, you know, people like this show. We really think we're doing the right thing. And then we just get, you know, knocked out by the knees so i'm i feel really i i feel kind of a little bit of ptsd from when they gave us strikes back in 2020 and 2021 and uh i just i just get so upset but and by the way the strikes were for having conversations about things that turned out to be quite true and accurate oh dr remember that yeah True, it's it's. Or just remember that. Yeah. Uh, everyone has to appreciate the, and I've said it, like when a video gets demonetized, okay, fine.

So it's a, you know, you lose a few hundred bucks, maybe a few thousand bucks on one video. Yeah. Um, but when they demonetize a channel or when they demonetize a video, what it does is it suppresses visibility because YouTube in theory has much less incentive to promote it. Flip side, but when they demonetize a channel, they're killing someone's business and they think it's all just like, oh, willy nilly, we'll just ruin someone's life and take away the business.

But I have a legal theory in my mind that someone at some point is going to have to test and Dr. Drew, you might be the one not to test it. If they go and say, after manual review, we've demonetized your entire channel because it's not appropriate for advertisers. That's what they're saying. If anyone catches them running ads on that, what they've basically done is mobster-like tactic and say, why would I split 60-40 with you when I can demonetize your channel and still run the ads and keep 100% of it? If it's not unjust enrichment, because you might have a legitimate contract

there, it is certainly deceitful business practices that someone should sue their pants off for. If and when you should happen find uh youtube advertising on your channel that they have recently demonetized if uh if rfk jr has success in his suit is it going to change anything for the rest of us uh well i mean let's just say even if he has success in his suit it's going to be years down the line um i i wonder what what youtube's future is even in the broader scheme of things. I think people are seeing YouTube for what it is, which is why a lot of us are heading over to rumble. Twitter is now competing with YouTube in that it's allowing long format videos on the platform monetized

as well. So I don't know, at some point, it might be popular again to actually support free speech, you know, YouTube at one point was whether or not they tolerated or promoted free speech, it was a place where everyone went to create and they cared about making money. At some point, narrative control and politics took over where YouTube, in fact, is acting in a way that is against its financial interests in theory. But I guess the political interest in controlling narrative outweighs the financial interest of of the harm that they are in fact doing to their brand but at the end of the day google owns youtube the largest search engine owns the largest video hosting platform so maybe the

financial hit is not really that significant anyhow and they get to control i'm sure it's not control now it's not i'm still i'm so confused though by why they would i feel this the confusion i'm feeling now is very similar to the confusion i felt during covid like what why are we doing why locking down what a respiratory virus are we wearing masks that don't what what are you doing and then and now even now it's like wait you're pushing this vaccine for young people and the illness has no i mean zero problems with young people what why are we pushing this it for young people and the illness has no, I mean, zero problems with young people. Why are we pushing this? It's all very confusing to me. And confusion usually means there's something, there's information missing and there's something sort of not sinister,

but capricious usually underneath this. And so what, you know, who's making these decisions? Why do they feel so justified in doing what they're doing? And there's got to be a process here that is deeply flawed, deeply flawed. And what? You're smirking. Oh, I was going to say not to get too conspiratorial, but what has changed now from a year ago, from two years ago, we're heading into 2024 presidential election where I suspect there is a substantial overlap between the people who do not support Biden, not necessarily who support Trump, but the people who don't support Biden and the voices that they're demonetizing, suppressing and

deplatforming right now. That and also if they just started taking down channels that pertain to the election, then it might seem too obvious. So let's just start with a number of other things. And let's just get people used to the censorship yet again, heading into 2024. I suspect at the end of the day, you know, narrative control, damage control, it's about politics. And so I'll just try to find a way to connect the dots, even if it's, you know, motivated reasoning. I think that I think this all relates to the 2024 election, making sure Trump, the message is controlled, the narrative is controlled.

And if they have to have a very broad net that they cast, they will to make sure they get what they want. So after 2024, free speech will become valuable again? Depends who wins. You might never have free speech again, depending on what happens in 2024. But no, we're heading into an election and it's a big one. But do recall at one point in time, questioning the election was grounds for suspension, you know, demonetization, et cetera.

Now they've softened that up because we're far enough away. Also, maybe they want to reopen the door to being allowed to question elections, depending onization, et cetera. Now they've softened that up because we're far enough away. Also, maybe they want to reopen the door to being allowed to question elections depending on what happens in 2024. It's the most deceitful form of censorship imaginable. It would make Orwell actually green with envy that he didn't go this far in 1984. But that would be the underline.

Yeah. Yeah. And again, I think something we had talked about before which is this scapegoating mechanism that seems to be in place there's still this again it's confusing to me how people can get caught up in scapegoating other people canceling them as the scapegoat mechanism now and then by the same token being so interested in telling other people how to live i and by the way it's the people that are doing that now were the ones that were most of my lifetime the ones going living that live whatever you know free love whatever they were they were the ones

that were interested in liberality and of all things you know it's let everyone live their own life in their own way, whatever your choices are. Now they're going to tell you how to live your life and what to think and what to say. That's, this is astonishing to me. Is it to you? Do you remember how, well, I think you get old. Do I remember what? Howard Stern, the shock jock, you know, fighting the F, what is it? The FTC fighting for free speech, all this stuff.

And now it's shut up. FCC now it's shut up and take the jab and quit being selfish. And, and I mean, it's, it's crazy to how some people have lived long enough to become the villain, but yeah, Gene Simmons from kiss, uh, the other guy there, uh, Sean Penn. I, on the one hand, I think people get old, their sensitivities change. Um, and you know, they want to and they want to keep what they have. And the risks that they were willing to take when they were a kid to succeed, they now have a lot, not more to lose, but they've made it.

So they're much less inclined to tolerate other people's risky freedoms. But some of them, it'll be legacy destruction, and it will be well-deserved. Drew. Yes, Caleb, is that you? it'll be legacy destruction and you know it will be well deserved true yeah it's it yes caleb's at you you were just yeah you were just saying earlier about you know how youtube's policies how they're being you know capricious and unfair and so i wanted to show you some examples that i found whenever i was appealing the youtube demonetization of content that they do have ads on, including this interview with a cannibal fully monetized with ads. There was this SeaWorld video of a 2006 killer whale attack

fully monetized with ads. There is this Verizon ad appearing on a murder suspect firing on police during a high-speed chase full of ads. And look here, shots fired body cam video from from fox news and i just showed a selection of all different sides of the political spectrum of other channels that

post content that is i would believe far more harmful than you speaking to dr zelenko or ed dowd or viva fry or anyone else fully monetized full ads and they don't even put any disclaimers anything on it like what we do so it drives me crazy yeah he's so mad yeah it's and we have not yet even yeah caleb is mad about this it is i mean there needs to be a big conversation about whether lockdowns well the harms of lockdown first and you you've reported something about the suicide rate now being off the chain right and you got you got grief for that which was again you didn't offer an opinion you just offered some data right well I am suggesting that when I don't I know that a lot of studies confirm that in 2020 the suicide rate dipped a little bit and people had some interesting theories as

to why, because people thought or said suicide was going to spike during lockdowns. And now that it's reached an all time high in the United States, some people are saying, well, it dipped in 2020 and now it's just returned back to the normal stats. When they were telling us before they even had the data that suicide rates were going down, even though they were saying distress calls were going up, call me skeptical, call me conspiracy theorist, seeing things that might not be there. I didn't believe it then. And then the articles say, well, sometimes it also takes some time to determine what's a suicide, what's not. The articles also don't include overdoses as suicide, which people can feel free to disagree

with me overdose deaths i think is a form of a suicide in the sense that it results from behavior that is self-destructive and that was taking people's lives by by record numbers for the last three years but now lo and behold well suicide rate which at all times i'm gonna let me push back on the overdose thing by framing it differently for you. The people who are dying of overdose deaths are opiate addicts and meth and opiate addicts. They have an illness called addiction, and that illness is being forbidden from being treated. It's a fatal illness that doctors and nurses are not allowed to treat. So, of course, they're dying.

That's very different than suicide, the results of despair and depression. And maybe that's lack of availability of adequate psychiatric care in the face of massive depression because of lockdowns, because of lack of economic mobility and opportunity. This is all kind of woven together, but the overdose thing is because we are not allowed to treat people with fatal illnesses. I gave a talk a couple of weeks ago to a large national organization of county officials. And I said, what are you doing? You're sending social workers in to treat deadly illnesses. They're not trained to do it. They're wonderful professionals. They can do a great job at what they're trained to do. They're not doctors. They're not nurses. It's literally like sending a physical therapist in to treat a severe orthopedic

injury that needs immediate surgery. Physical therapists are magnificent. They're brilliant. They're great at what they do. They don't surgery they aren't medical doctors and we have that now on our streets managing life-threatening illness tens of hundreds of thousands of people with life-threatening illness opioid addiction which is a fatal condition that ends in demise in essentially all cases we're not allowed to treat it. And none of the people available who have the training to treat it are allowed to go near the patients. It's incredible.

It's unbelievable. I mean, that's some of the craziness going on today. Oh, no, they were locking down, preventing, shutting down churches, shutting down AA meetings, NA meetings, CA meetings. Oh yeah, it was crazy. When I say, when I equate the two, it's that. When I say, super crazy. When I equate the two, it's that they say,

well, you know, the overdose deaths and the self-harm, you know, the distress calls were all going up. And then they tell us in 2021, actually there was a slight dip, which, okay,

I know that I'm not going to believe it even if it might be true. I mean, I see the charts. But then, all right, well, now it's returning back to normal trends and it's reached an all right, well, now it's returning back to normal trends, and it's reached an all-time high. It's the culmination of catastrophic lockdown measures,

whether it was the lockdowns in conjunction with isolation, stress. And now look where it is now. Oh, but it followed the trend the last decade, as if that's justification or explanation. Or somehow to say, it would have happened anyhow, even if it hadn't been for catastrophic lockdown COVID reaction. Maybe I'm stubborn, but I won't believe it. I'm with you.

I certainly know what we did to the sort of 8 to 15-year-old age group. Those kids, it'd be interesting to see if the suicide is disproportionately represented by young people. Because they were the ones that were absolutely just we just unconscionable what we did the trauma we exposed that we just we just destroyed lives i mean they lost one to two i don't even think about it it's just i i've said i've said enough about it over the years that you know we need it we need a discussion about it we need a discussion about what we were doing with masks and why and if you know what what was it about? And then my latest concern is why the extreme enthusiasm for vaccinating young people who have essentially,

I mean, not essentially, they have zero risk from the current variant of COVID that's out there and a non-zero risk from the vaccine. I have not thought along the lines of evil in a long time and i was always reluctant when people say it's evil you know nuremberg trials 2.0 i think i've gotten there because this can't you know they say don't attribute to malice but you can attribute to incompetence this is beyond incompetence we we know the stats we know the yeah i you know you saw my tweet and i've lost my filter a little bit on Twitter. They're now putting the vaccine injury support program. Every now and again, I feel a little bad, but like, what would my father

say? My father's still alive. Would he be happy for me using the F word? Too bad. I mean, I'm beyond that now. Now they're putting the vaccine injury support program stickers on hospital doors. They told us for the last three years, safe and effective when they knew that it did not prevent transmission. They told us this is how you get back to normal you don't want to get grandma sick well now we know that they knew that that was wrong in the first place and then they now know the degree to which it increases risks of a demographic that is statistically not at risk for covid and you're taking years off the life sometimes more of a young generation for what it doesn't even, it doesn't even grant or, and,

and, and, and now what it's gotten to the point now where I think they've got to keep pushing it harder and harder because to not do so would be to admit that they lied, that they in fact harm children, that they in fact cause the deaths of children who never needed to get this in the first place.

And, uh, it's double down, triple down, quadruple down. Even if that means continuing to demonize the people who have been more right never needed to get this in the first place. And it's double down, triple down, quadruple down, even if that means continuing to demonize the people who have been more right than the people who were controlling the access to the information in the first place. It's also sort of interesting, Viva, that I have kind of a nuanced view of the vaccine. I have my elderly patients,

particularly those 70 and above, I have vaxxed all of them. I have boosted all of them. I haven't gone on with the XXB booster, and now we have another variant in. I just don't see the science of continued boosting, but many of my patients had four or five shots. And I've not seen a single adverse reaction in that age group. I've seen quite a few adverse reactions in young males, quite a few, and I don't know what they benefited from it. But I'm pretty clear, even in these sort of milder variants that are around, I mean, I like having these older patients protected against it. They really get into trouble with COVID much more easily. The point is that the risk-reward is there. There's benefit. The benefit's pretty clear to me. It's not huge given

the current mild variant that's running around, but there is a benefit to be had. And I've not yet seen a single adverse reaction in elderly patients. I have not yet been convinced of any benefit in a 30-year-old to getting vaccinated, and I have certainly seen multiple cardiac problems, multiple. And so I'm concerned that we are pushing it, again, one size fits all, much the way we push lockdowns, as opposed to trying to protect the vulnerable. Again, it's a different age group with a different medical profile. And the other thing people need to be aware, when you're treating older people, you're not worried about COVID. You're

worried about 60 other medical conditions that you're managing at the same time that may make the ability to treat COVID impossible or may make COVID just enough to bring down the house of cards. Very different than a healthy 30 year old male totally different concerns medically and from a risk benefit analysis both but we're doing the same thing we do with the lockdown just everybody everybody locks down everybody everybody everybody was the same if we're in one of our systems they weren't no one is safe they're just bullshit first and if i looked like i was last smiling before it's because i was noticing as you were talking you had to have the the banner on the bottom saying doctors say that the the jab can reduce severe illness um

well i i can't argue or even i no no that's not bs in older people it's not bs well it's not bs in older people it's just to be us in younger people because they never get severe illness they not not the new variants they never get severe illness it's even i cannot argue with your with your clinical experience all that i can say is that i have unequivocally categorically directly within my immediate milieu known more people who have died or gotten ill in close proximity to the jab uh because you can never determine correlation entirely than i have from covet itself um and some are old, some are young, and some died in their sleep, and then the community doesn't want to talk about it

because it's too damn painful. Others, you know, when it happens to LeBron James' kid, and he comes out two years ago and has a video where he says, I've done my research and it's good for me and my family, and then lo and behold, cardiac arrest in his 18-year-old son. We know the stats. What they told us was a bloody lie from the beginning. And I say this with a little bit of anger in me because I took two of those shots.

If I had known then what I knew now, if I had known then what I know now, you would have had to tie me down like out of one flu to get that in me. Back in the time, thank goodness i was a little bit more naive and i said oh how how much harm can it possibly cause well now i know and touch wood i'll you know i'll be fine but i know teenagers who got myocarditis i know a best friend who got chest pains for a week another one died like a 43 year old person just died just like that nobody wants to talk about it um and um who knows i've got nothing but but seething rage but i'm a very passive person so i will exercise that rage by shouting into the

abyss on twitter and in real life yeah are you you're gonna have a opportunity hopefully after the break to shout some more because i want to take some calls uh after the break and i i was i was again the same group i was talking to of the county officials i was you know showing them the death rates in young people from overdose and the death rate's gone up like 20 it's the is the leading cause of death and it's something like 20 now of all cause mortality in like 18 year olds essentially while the percentage of all-cause mortality of COVID in 18-year-olds is, I put it up, the number's like.000015%

compared to 20%. And we're not having conversations about the overdose deaths, and yet we're still freaking out and pushing treatments, preventative treatments, vaccines, however you want to frame it, to this thing that has no impact on all-cause mortality. And again, not a non-zero impact

on all-cause mortality from the vaccine. And not to equate it to another hotly debated issue, but gun violence in the States. What was it? Opioid deaths was 100,000 people last year, and I don't know what percentage were young people. It's an amazing thing what politicians will politic over when it's convenient and when there's another ideological reason to go after one problem,

while there's a financial reason to ignore another. It's obscene. It's obscene and it's enraging. Take a little break. Viva Fry here. You can see him on Rumble. Viva Fry hosted that show and also at TheVivaFry, F-R-E-I,

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Viva Barnes law.locals.com. And Viva Barnes law is also the name of that show you do with Mr. Barnes, yes? Yeah, we have our community on locals and it's a massive community and it's fantastic. And then we do our weekly show on YouTube and Rumble, the weekly Sunday night law stuff. And we go over the big stuff of the week, but then also some smaller stuff that people might not have heard of. ...on important issues is on point.

And he's made predictions. The internet is forever is not a curse for everybody. It's a blessing when some people make some wildly accurate predictions. Like what give me an example um well let's see okay his prediction about what would happen and i like desantis this is not a pot shot at desantis his prediction as to what would happen to desantis's presidential run uh it has turned out to be 1000 accurate um his what do you base that on uh well just in terms of the opportunity of of running against trump now uh the dynamic between trump and desantis in terms of their history their

political history how people might view that uh it was it was i mean it was wildly on point he was wildly on point on q as well q anon and this was at a point where i was so wet behind the ears i didn't even, I'm not even sure I had heard of Operation Northwoods at this time. I had, but he predicted that Q was something of an intelligence operation to discredit the otherwise legitimate bases to go after the unconstitutionality of the 2020 election. And lo and behold, it worked, discredited a bunch of lawyers who bought into into it and allowed the media to say you know uh dominion was totally clear therefore uh there was no election fornification or fortification so he's he's been way ahead of the good stuff fornifications huh they called it they called it election fortification in that time magazine article we call it election

fortification got it understood understood uh yeah yeah and would he have predicted vivek ramaswamy's uh ascension did he see him early as a as a significant player i he's he's had some he says he likes vivek i i like vivek i don't know that he's a contender yet the question is now like trump said is gonna be watching the primaries out in milwaukee where we're gonna be actually live streaming from milwaukee for the for the primaries but you know trump says he's looking for his running mate vivek could make a very good vp uh desantis may or may not have ever really fit that position but might have burnt that bridge uh and who else is it that could potentially do it for the gop can't think of a name off hand well carrie lake is one of the other ones that people think would be a good a

good fit but no vivek he's had good things tim scott tim scott would be a good one but no but i know that i like vivek uh i know that barnes does not like Vivek's idea of having not a literacy test, but make people learn about civics. He doesn't like that idea, but Barnes doesn't like licensure in general. But no, Vivek is a smart guy, speaks well, and he's pouncing on the right issues right now. Part in the January 6th, I don't want to get too political with you, Dr. Drew, but part in the January 6th, at this this point even the allegedly violent ones who have gotten sentences that wildly exceed normal sentences uh pardon assange pardon um uh who else i mean he's he's he's talking good points that the fact that they resonate i guarantee a trump is listening to

and will incorporate. Interesting. All right, let's get some calls here. Here is a stealth virologist. Get her up here. Uh, I love the Colin. Let's hear this. Yes. This will be good.

There you are. Have at it. Oh, you gave me a mic. Okay. I don't know if you allowed me to speak. We got you. Hi. Yep. So we just reviewed the Missouri v. Biden case in another large space.

Tracy Beans did the workup on that. There was a review by the Heritage Foundation a couple weeks ago on the case as well. How does that play into—and yesterday, they had an update update on that case and the censorship from the administration. How does that play into the current case that you're working on, Viva? Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. I'm not working on the case. I'm just following it.

I'm not sure what the latest developments in Missouri v. Biden were. They got the favorable court order, at least the finding of fact. And then I think that there was a stay on it in the interim. How does it play in? It's a good finding of fact that will allow RLA to, what's the word, not embolden,

but to strengthen his arguments that there has already been now a finding of improper collusion or improper involvement of the government in social media. So it's not determinate, but the fact pattern is getting much stronger definitively to say, it's not just supposition. It's not just someone said something and then a company did something. Right now, you have concrete acts, concrete evidence of overt intrusion, collusion, coercion.

And that's what's coming out of Missouri. So that's what's going to help. But at the end of the day, it requires a judicial... Sorry, go for it. Yes. So yesterday they were in court. The three judges, one primarily, well, all three of them were on board. They had great arguments from the... Biden's lawyer only had one junior lawyer showed up. Everybody showed up for the state of Missouri and they had, um, some prior state attorney generals there as well. Um, but the arguments from the judges were like, no, you guys were having like a supervisory role, like you're the supervisor. And this was an employee that wasn't doing it fast enough

or strong enough in terms of removing content or influencing content, labeling content. So, um, I believe they, all three judges are Republican appointed, but they have about 30 days to come back with another further decision. Looks like it's going to go to the Supreme Court. But at this point, they were very aggressive in the fact that there was extreme pressure on behalf of the government. I think I heard some of the highlights from that as well, and I forget who was posting them.

But no, the judges, look, if it's the highlights, the audio that I'm thinking came from the same hearing. No, the judges sound like they got it, but I'm just pulling up the exhibit. It's Exhibit C in the RFK lawsuit where it says, and it's from EOP, I forget, oh, Humphrey. It's from Humphrey. He's saying, wanted to flag the below tweet and I'm wondering if we can get moving on the process for having it removed ASAP. And it's an RFK tweet.

And then if we can keep an eye out for tweets that fall in this same genre, that would be great. Thanks, Clark. And then Twitter redacted, it says, thanks, we recently escalated this. I mean, give me a flipping break and tell me that they're not working hand in hand. And the videos that came out of the election, it's like you can't deny it anymore.

When Jen Psaki says we have back doors, you have Jim or James Baker working internally at Twitter, coming from the FBI. It's like it's there. I think the facts have now gotten out. And this has to get to the Supreme Court one way or the other. But meantime, I'll send you a thread from him, redacted, and he lists all the former Intel agency employees that have been working both at Meta and all these agencies. It's shocking. I mean, the guy's done such a thread, him and Trash Discourse. I don't know if you follow them on. I'll post it in the bubble for you guys. I'm just on my way to the hospital for work, but I will send you that. Yeah. Awesome. Hey, I know you've had concern about vaccine therapies as well. Anything, any new thoughts on your front? On my end? What's going on? Yeah. So, yeah. So I was in a conference this week. So, you know, there's this unusual sepsis

above and beyond what we saw that's occurring. So that was a very big conversation around why are we having COVID cases now that some of them are more severe than others and they were looking at sepsis. So when I was hearing you speak about the 70 and above, you know, so many of them are having issues with their liver functions and with their spleen. And with I mean, it's I'm surprised that you weren't seeing such a huge adverse event. So I was a little surprised about that. But I can tell you that. What can I tell you that they're saying it's two more years of COVID and they're still pushing for the next vaccine, even though it doesn't match the current variant that we're

monitoring out of the UK, which I think is interesting. There's a little uptick. I know there's that component, but we're looking now at the huge increases in cases like ALS, Parkinson's, and MS. And so those are pretty evident. And then yesterday or two days ago, James Thorpe said that there's vaccine-induced sarcoidosis now post-COVID vaccination. And that's a background that I have a little bit of a specialty in. And so we've always known that it's an autoimmune component. And obviously lymph nodes are involved. So we posted a whole thread under James Thorpe's thread regarding sarcoidosis.

And I pulled up a ton of content on that as well. So now we're seeing mRNA COVID-19 vaccination induced sarcoidosis. I mean, and, and it's not just, I mean, obviously you can have it in the lung and, and, and in the eyes and other organs, um, but on the skin is how it first presented. And now we're seeing another organ involvement. So I can send that through on the thread as well. Uh, so very concerning. I mean, sarcoid, sarcoid has a racial kind of a pattern to it. Is there anything that way going on with the vaccine-induced stuff? Well, I mean, also it can occur in Caucasian women, right?

So we have both African-American, Hispanic, yeah, in terms of autoimmune component. No, I haven't seen in the case reports. I need to look back and see if it was listed because I pulled up seven or eight just from yesterday or the day before. So I'll look through and I'll send you if anything pops up out of interest. But, yeah. And send me what you have on – real quick though. Send me what you have on liver and spleen reactions. What exactly are they seeing there? Because that liver and spleen

are very protean organs with millions of different pathologies. So I'd like to know more about what they're seeing. But go ahead, Viva, you have something. My question for stealth virologists, I had also, I think I just read an article that was detailing a rise in dementia in say nursing home patients who had received post-COVID jabs. So I don't know if you heard anything about that. Yeah, I did. I did. And so we had a lecture about increasing vitamin D levels in those populations. So if you're a nursing home director or, for example, like Dr. Drew, he sees that age population, those vitamin D levels need to be optimized. That's like the preliminary stuff. But if you look at the early reports from Dr. Seneff out of MIT, PhD, brilliant woman, she did a whole like

39 page or 27 page article on prion disorders. And so we have seen an uptick in prion disorders. So I presented the first two cases of vaccine induced ALS to one of the largest ALS centers here in the West Coast out of nurses. And that was early on, very early on in the pandemic. I want to say February and March of 2021. So we're not surprised to see this also, this current increase in Parkinson's. So I pulled three cases of what they said is new diagnosis of Parkinson's or what was the terminology they used? It was interesting. It was acute Parkinson's post-vaccination. And so we knew that there was a concern over dementia from COVID itself

because of just the significant memory loss. And we saw a little bit of what we call like people respond with inflammation around the brain, right? So Dr. Amon spoke about this a lot, right? So the question is, is at what point were we going to see the dementia component? So it's not surprising, right? And sorry, and the endothelial dysfunction. Thank you. Thank you very much. The endothelial, you know, the lining of the arteries

are very much affected by COVID and the vaccine. And so the dementia may be a microvascular problem as well. But these, you know, again, sorting these things out, there's a third component, which any dementia specialist will tell you that the number one sort of way to exercise the brain to reduce the speed of evolving dementia, it's not crossword puzzles. It's social interaction. The very thing that we've restricted people in nursing homes from having. So, you know, there's many confounding factors in these observations. Dr. Joe, I'm not stupid for thinking exercise as well for an aging population is good to help with preventing dementia.

But preventing, yeah, yeah. But again, the one thing that the specialist will tell you is the social interaction man social interaction is the numero uno yeah this is what's the matter susan social interaction be you and beyond we're gonna get him up here her i don't know who what we got here i'm gonna take the vitamin d though yeah optimizing vitamin d is a great idea but make sure you take the k the vitamin k2 also i mean mean, I do that every day myself, but the K2, make sure the calcium goes to the right place, that the vitamin D can increase. Oh, I have to get that Nordic Natural thing from you. Yes, you do. I've told you a million times, get that product. It's a good product. I never took supplements until I got old.

Well, that's a reasonable thing. Because when you're young, you really don't need a lot of this stuff. But now it's like every day I have to sort out all these pills. I was like, okay, I'm officially old. Be you and be on. You've got to unmute your speaker, your microphone in the lower left-hand corner. Or I'm going to have to go on to another caller. Let's see here.

I'm going to go to the Twitter live space here. I'm going to move on. This is Notaris. There's a little lag, so sometimes a person's unmuting. Well, sometimes there's some weird sort of thing where the mic just won't turn on. I think there's a glitch. But the sound is really clear, and the people there are amazing.

Notaris, unmute yourself so you can do it. We don't get any trolls. There we are. But the sound is really clear, and the people there are amazing. No terrorists. Unmute yourself so you can do it. We don't get any trolls. There we are. Hello? Hello? You're very faint. And I'm getting my feedback.

He's on a speakerphone. He has to go. That was me on a speakerphone. Hold on. Is that me? Is that you? Yeah. Viva, if you joined the space on your side then it might be echoing now how do i how do i take that oh so uh just leave the space in your

browser because you're i'm gonna yeah just close or mute the tab in your browser. I think that's better. Notaris. Gosh, I see he's there. Very faint. I think he's on his speakerphone. You know, that's on me. I just said the sound was great, and that got me. Yeah, you're getting punished for that. Wait, yeah. Why is it feeding back the way it is?

Drew, is your phone nearby? because it's not from viva not really i'm just just close enough that i can callers callers i don't have any windows open it's it's i know it's not your fault take the collar off i'm doing that that took care of it that did it his he was on a speakerphone or something I know it's not your fault. It's us. Take the collar off. I'm doing that. That took care of it. That did it. He was on a speakerphone or something. Must have been.

So much for the sound. Stealth wanted to come back up. We'll give her a chance. I'm not opening any windows. I was trying to. I'm not opening any more windows in the backdrop. I'm sitting here with my hands on my chair. Go ahead, Stealth. Stealth virologist.

Yeah, I was going to say for Susan, OrthoBiotech has a vitamin D slash K2, the oil-soluble one, and then Thorne Research is another good oil-soluble. I prefer to take it in that liquid form. It's more bioavailable. So check out those two. I mean, you could just go on Amazon

and look for them. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, and there's no taste. Thank you very much. There you go. Yeah, make sure for all of you that are planning to take vitamin D, make sure your physician monitors it because sometimes it's surprising how much vitamin D people need to take in order to boost their levels,

and sometimes they get quite high quite readily. So you have to be very cautious with that. This is Connor. I take it back, Viva. That wasn't on your end. It must have been the caller that was on the line was somehow repeating it multiple times. That wasn't you.

Go ahead. No, it wasn't you. I could tell you. I was on a speakerphone. Oh, Concord. Concordian. Concordian. Concordian concordian concordian yeah uh yes dr drew i i want to thank you so much for everything uh you've you've brought to us uh i i could probably spend eight hours talking to

you about all the things i'd love to talk to you about, but there's something very critical I want to get to just to let you, Viva, and other people know how you are not able to get to me anymore. You guys have brought up the youtube issue youtube became a big problem for me trying to watch it in the sense that by the way i'm feeling very nervous when i'm talking on a platform i'm sorry if my voice okay relax it's all good we use you seem fine okay um youtube got to the point to where it was like every minute it seemed like they were throwing up a couple minutes of commercials for every minute to five minutes of watching it. Rumble was awesome. I created an account with Rumble, and I was able to watch anyone and everyone. And it started to concern me because I knew that you guys at least needed some commercials. I was watching this.

Shouldn't you be playing commercials? I'm a software engineer. I spend most of my time on a PC at a desk with a PC. When I get home, I don't want to be with a PC. I use a PlayStation, but it's still, I mean, it's a legitimate thing to use that as a, it's almost like a Roku. So they told me, oh, well, the problem you're having, that is a PlayStation thing. We don't support the PlayStation platform. So I went to the web browser.

Oh, interesting browser and an iPhone and I started watching when I logged in, no commercials. When I was not logged in, there would be commercials. So I went back to the PlayStation platform and just didn't log in because I felt like if you guys are doing something I want you to get paid for it. You know, Rumble's pretty, pretty, uh, nice about not overwhelming you with commercials. So I'm like, you know, I'll, I'll take what they give me, but I'll just not log in. Uh, but what happened recently, when I say recently, you know, I'm 54, so recently is like in the past few months, very recently.

So it got to where if I wanted to scroll, I'm sorry, move forward in a video because somebody had like a half an hour lead up to when they were starting what they were doing i couldn't do it it would not allow me to i couldn't go forward i couldn't go backward i would have to watch in sequence or not at all um and like with with viva will probably relate to this, and you too, with a lot of technical terms that come up, and I was thinking particularly with Viva, with Barnes talking really fast, sometimes you need to go back maybe half a minute or so just to hear, what was that I missed and what exactly was that? You can't do it anymore.

Also, if I get a phone call, if I get stopped, if I have to walk away, something happens, or if I lose my internet connection, you can't move forward. That means if you're 45 minutes into a two-hour show, you have to start from the beginning and go through that whole 45 minutes and get past it again. You cannot. Oh, my God.

Without that, you're going to have a problem. So I just gave up on watching you guys on Rumble at all, and I miss you guys, and I just wanted you to be aware of it. I do want to say one last thing. That's weird, though. I kind of get it. Uh-huh. Go ahead, Concordia.

The last thing I want to say, and I'm going to get out of the way, you can talk all you want, is that there are certain shows where that is possible on Rumble, and I'm thinking it may be a setting on the side of those who are setting up their videos. on rumble. And I don't, I'm thinking it may be a, a, a setting on, on the side of those who are,

are setting up their videos. So you guys might want to look into that, but man, I like, I watched every show. Always. I would catch up. If I could catch it live, I would catch up.

I watched every show, but for months, I haven't seen most of anything that you guys put out. I'm going to land there. Thanks for listening. I will. According. I guys put out. I'm going to land there. Thanks for listening. I will, uh, according,

I all, I'll I'm, I'm relatively close with the team at rumble and I'll let Chris know what time to watch on this show. And the team will, we'll, we'll look into it. Cause I know they're open.

If you have any problems, tag them on Twitter, but I'll let them know for sure. I have some ideas too. Yeah. I've had technical problems on rumble too and and um you know it's funny because i i didn't think of it until this guy just said it because i i was trying to go back and forth and i couldn't get it to do it either so i i'm told if you download the app

i'm told it works much better with the app but um you know there's some ux issues that they fix and they're responsive so just tweet out them but i'll let i'll let everyone know we were strange enough in france last week and couldn't watch on rumble yeah i could get well that that much my computer but i could get it on my phone so if you have an they put well yeah if you have an american phone i guess with an ios but no they pulled it down they said which is why you know when people say uh rum, it's not a real free speech platform for, because they have terms of service that don't allow pornography and other, other stuff that might not be technically illegal, but hogwash when, when, when France came to rumble and said, you know, Chris take down RT because we know, we know what is good propaganda to watch and and the BBC is good, RT bad.

And then Chris said, sorry, thanks, but no thanks. We're not compromising a core value of our brand, which is not political weaponized censorship. So you can't get it in France, which is a problem. We've remedied that through other means. We can upload the videos directly to locals. And at the end of the day, we'll figure that out in due time yeah well the little sign said uh rumble wouldn't allow france to see it because they wanted to censor their their hosts they said they didn't they they didn't like some of the hosts that were on rumble so rumble said okay you can't see it anymore i know it's france on the banner there might have been

a number of reasons but france wanted um rumble to block rt so did canada but canada didn't go to the same extent as as um as france but mike can you imagine to say now uh what is rt i understand what is russia today or it's russia today or russia television it's it's it's it's Russia Today or Russia Television. It's state media. Oh, Russia Today, I see. I mean, for goodness sake, first of all, if that's the argument, the CBC is as much state media as is RT. But for everything that everybody says, RT is beholden to Putin. When it comes to international news, RT is exponentially more reliable than CNN. And even when it comes to local Russian news, they're not, it's state media, fine. Put a flag on it.

People will digest that information accordingly. The idea that they say we're at war with Russia, or we're not, but Ukraine is, so we're going to censor it from Western media? Going back to schizophrenia in institutions, Dr. Drew, why won't you let me watch RT while you're telling me that he's the autocrat? Of course, crap. When there was the tsunami in 2015, RT was the only place you could get amazing detailed coverage of the tsunami. That's where I discovered it,

never even associated with state-funded propaganda. Yeah. I remember, I've just told this story before, but I was watching like a 60 Minutes magazine type show about Russian media in the 70s. It was way many years ago, but I have this image in my mind of this interview that I just, I never forgot, where the reporter, the US reporter, was beating up this Soviet,

it was a Soviet unit at the time. And how could you possibly feel that you're a journalist if you're just repeating the propaganda from the state and the shibboleths and blah, blah, blah. And finally, this guy goes, hey, he goes, look, in Russia, the media is a political instrument. In your country, it's a commercial instrument. Trust me, you will have distorted priorities in your country. It's a commercial instrument. Trust me, you will have distorted priorities in the future. It will, you will say one day it will look awful lot like this.

So this won't look so bad. He said something like that. And I think we're there. I think, I think that, that, uh, promise has been fulfilled. Uh, it, can you, you look at CNN or just look at NPR, CNN, MSNBC. I mean, it's, um, it's, it's the only difference is that it's, they try to disguise their, you know, Pravda esque, uh, essence, but yeah, it's, uh, yeah. So that's it. That's why the people in France can't watch us live on rumble. So when we end on YouTube and go to rumble, uh, unfortunately, you saw shit out of luck as we say in French

so Lumpy, you unmute your microphone there and go right ahead and speak M169 and I'm going to put you back, I'm going to throw you back into the pool, there you go go ahead I realized I had raised my hand to speak

I'm sorry. I didn't realize I had raised my hand to speak. I'm sorry. I'll just say, I have an offer I will do for you. I work nights. And so when I'm working late night, I always look for things that I can just pop on YouTube and listen to while I'm working. So I'm going to go back and listen to your old broadcasts on YouTube to see if advertisers break in. And I'll keep track of it. Yes, please do.

Screen grab. Screen grab and preserve the evidence. Screen grab the evidence. On a Mac, it's also good. Yes, Command-Shift-3 or Command-Shift-4. It's Command. It's Shift-Command-4. Yeah. This is name redacted

name redacted i like that dr drew people don't want to help us that's so sweet yes everybody why not um i sent you a dm and also to viva i think that's yeah um i I've done some thorough research on the censorship topic. I did a sort of a re-upping of an older post. It's pinned to my profile on basically the revolving door with the intelligence community and social media. This is one aspect not widely discussed, although I think in the coming weeks it will become a major discussion. But, you know, we complain a lot about these platforms censoring everyone on COVID, Ukraine war, elections, whatnot. But it's important to realize who's doing the censorship. And I've found, and I've done thorough hours and weeks of research on this, that since 2018, we'll talk about Meta, that's pinned to my profile, they've hired over 160 people from the intelligence community. And there are several dozen that work in content moderation.

In fact, the main person I talk about in the thread, his name is Aaron Berman. He did a almost 18-year career at the CIA and went straight to meta. And he's the one that built the misinformation policy and that department. And he oversees global elections content policy. And he's joined by numerous other former CIA operatives, FBI, Department of Defense, State Department. I mean, it is an actual thing. It's not just one person. There's dozens.

And the same issue at Google as well. In fact, one person at Google. Well, go ahead. Do you have that on your, I'm looking at your, I'm looking at your thread. Do you have the Google information on there too? I will go under highlights or I could just DM you the Google information. Let's see. I just, I just followed you also name redacted and i had seen your tweet come up because i think the real andy lee had retweeted it earlier today um yeah here we'll be able to do yeah rfk has retweeted it dr

elon elon knows i mean it's it's he he knows what was knows what had infiltrated Twitter. And when Zuckerberg goes on Rogan and says that he's meeting with FBI and they're telling him to be on the lookout for, we knew that they had, not moles. I said basically they had infiltrated to the point where they were using it as a satellite arm of the government. The exact number and the people, I just noticed that Aaron Berman has he, him pronouns in his bio.

Yeah, I'm going to go look at that for sure. It's just it'll be more detailed to that, which we, you know, we by and large are more than aware of now. Yeah. And then there's another part of that. Wouldn't it be interesting to know? Yeah, go ahead, Dr. It'd be interesting to know the extent to which the sort of mainstream media have similar kinds of. I mean, I was in, you know, I worked at cnn for 10 years i never saw any

of this stuff and uh and it's it's it seems like a entirely different place these days anderson cooper if i'm not mistaken there's hang on what about anderson wait wait wait wait i want to hear what he was saying here first. Name Redacted. Name Redacted. You go. I'm just going to double check myself in real time here. Yeah, I just wanted to point out there's a YouTube video I have. It is

let's see of if you just go on my profile, it's the third tweet. There's the pinned tweet, then Elon Musk and then the next thread on Aaron Berman. There's a video of him for five minutes or six minutes thoroughly discussing how meta censors COVID misinformation. And even at the end of the video, he talks about true information, which they label it as borderline content and how they reduce its amplification so it's not seen,

even though it doesn't violate their policy. So this is actually a problem of who's actually doing the censorship. And Google and Meta are infiltrated with former intelligence, and they're controlling the content moderation. I'm just double checking in real time. So I don't make any factual mistakes.

This is from the gray zone, but this is factually known. In 2006, Cooper published an article at CNN admitting that he worked at the CIA headquarters for two summers while he was a student at Yale University, an intelligence agency linked elite bastion where former CIA director George H. Bush also studied. I mean, whether or not people are just gonna say, well, it's a small incestuous community.

They've all worked, you know, they've all had some run-in with the CIA or intelligence. I would be of the opinion that once you've touched the CIA, you'll always be connected to the CIA. And I'm proud to say, everybody, I have no connection to CIA or Mossad, despite some internet rumors. I think you're getting paranoid.

I think you're getting paranoid on me. Does it mean people aren't following you, Dr. Drew? Let's be fair. Most of the CIA, Viva, is a bunch of accountants doing forensic sorts of accounting and that kind of thing. That's a lot of what they do. By the way, you forget. What was Anderson Cooper's first job on television i don't let me let me go back to my article i don't know what no no what was it a commercial he was the host of

he was the host of a reality show called the mole a friend of mine produced or guys i do a lot of the tv the news thing happened much later almost by But didn't he do a lot of war coverage back in the day? He went and he funded his own war coverage as a way of appealing to CNN that he would be a good hire, essentially, my understanding of the story. I was very friendly with him throughout my years there. And he had a brilliant executive producer. I never saw anybody. Nobody ever screwed with any of us.

We just did what we did. And then all all of a sudden it seemed like something changed well all of anyone who's ever had any connection to i think we'll always have a connection to but uh and by the way i i'll i'll let that land i'll let that sit but the other thing the only thing they ever got on us about was ratings. They were preoccupied about ratings. They were, I mean, just beside themselves trying to get more ratings. And so one of my theories is they went sort of the way they've gone because they proved their ratings that way. They nailed their audience that way. Well, look, we ended up covering Jody arias and casey anthony you know

because nancy grace was getting huge ratings and we thought all right let's try it and we got huge ratings and we were suddenly we were uh you know no longer being threatened with cancellation it's a tv it's a tv station they're running a a a commercial operation that's what they're doing selling pfizer ads that's how they do it. That's how they survive. I was just about to say, ratings might be secondary to advertisers, and the advertisers might have a lot

of skin in the game in terms of narratives being promoted and maintained, and who's got money in the pharma business? It's one big black hole of incestuous corruption. That's all I have. Certainly things seem captured and compromised compromise go ahead drew i've also i've also wondered because you've said this a

bunch of times where they've never actually come at you trying to influence you and i wonder if that's because they had a feeling that they couldn't influence you and so they didn't go to you specifically no they didn't go to your why would they why would they draw the line right there they were on me about everything yeah but the sales department has nothing to do with it like by the time you were doing your tv shows it's like you had already had a long career in radio and so they could go and listen to the show and think this isn't a guy that we can influence this is a guy that could see through it if we're trying to push something from like a pharmaceutical company he's going to say

well this doesn't work but you know but Caleb, there was no that person. Who would have even been that person? The executive leadership structure there is very clear. You had somebody above your executive producer and somebody above him, and that's it. And those people we talked to on a very regular basis about content and about ratings. That's what we talked about all the time. They never, never talked about the story or what I should or shouldn't say or ever anything like that. And by the way, and if you remember, I went on Anderson Cooper or Don Lemon almost every night.

And on that, they were just, the question was, do you have something to say? Yes. Okay, we'll see you in an hour. Go ahead and say it. They didn't in any way shape what i was gonna say about hillary though that was a different thing that was that was a misconception that the there was that no but yeah right and that's when they seem to be turning but by the way that was not their fault that was actually not breitbart it was one of those other uh right

wing magazines that misrepresented what i said and got everyone all upset but anyway you said on the radio yeah i said on the radio it wasn't even on the radio i said you want to hear this viva you want to hear this story no no i'm not sorry i think it's i i think i remember it roughly but i'm gonna certainly google it afterwards no and no no everyone all you all you because you saw Because all you saw was the viral part. And the viral part is never what I actually did or said. It's never, ever, ever what I actually did or said. And then they muted him for a year.

He couldn't talk about it for a year. So what happened was I was on Don Lemon's show one night, and I was talking about personality disorders and bipolar disorders in U.S. presidents. Because Lemon was like, you know, what's up with Trump? I'm like, well, you know, he's got these features, but so did Abraham Lincoln and so did Teddy Roosevelt. And I was just sort of saying, be careful. You start labeling people.

They did like a half hour. We did about 15 minutes. Just because you label somebody with something doesn't mean they're a bad president. Teddy Roosevelt was a great president. Narcissist, bipolar as hell, great president, loved him. But he had some mental illness stuff. He had some stuff going on. I mean, you know, okay.

I came into my radio. I had a daytime radio show at the time. I came in, and the program director went, hey, I like what you said on Lemon. Would you do 30 seconds of that? Could you condense it down to 30 seconds for our website? I said, yeah, I can do that. I did 30 seconds. I was getting up afterwards. He goes, you know, to balance it out, we should do 30 seconds on Hillary too. Do you have something to say about that? I said, well, it just so happened that her doctors released her medical records today,

and the care they're giving her is substandard. And I started listing my concerns about their care. He goes, great, do that. So I had concerns about it. She had a transverse sinus thrombosis and a stroke. You were a little worried about it, though. She was on certain anticoagulants. It didn't make sense to me. She was on armored thyroid, which causes hypercoagulability.

I just said, this is concerning. Not Breitbart again. armor thyroid, which causes hypercoagulability. I just said, this is concerning. The, um, the, not Breitbart again, it's the, um, I've, I've said it a minute ago and I've already forgotten the name of the magazine. Anyway, the, the next, next day they run a headline right in the center of the paper saying, finally, a physician says she's not suited for office. That, that was what the headline was. And of course, nothing to do with what i said and that became very disturbing to my my my managers over at cnn but when they came down on me and told me to shut up a month before they'd already canceled the show they just hadn't done it publicly yet and so two weeks later they went public with the the decision to cancel the show which had

been made months before and it made it look like I was canceled because of those comments. It was a mess. So that was the reality. You're lucky to be alive, Dr. Drew. Many people have crossed Hillary. And he didn't have a podcast. He couldn't go out publicly about it.

He couldn't talk about it. it. Enough of this topic. He couldn't talk about it. I'm going to get to the callers. Thomas, go ahead and unmute yourself, my friend, and you're on the air. So un-American. Hey, Dr. Drew. Thomas. Hey, Dr. Drew.

I've been listening to you since the Adam Carolla days. I was a young hospital corpsman when I was stationed with the Marine Corps in 29 Palms. So, you know, I really enjoy listening to your discussions that you and Adam had had back then. So thank you for taking that time. Of course. Viva! You bet. Viva there. There is a gentleman that um you and i have a mutual acquaintance of and that is robert gobea um a prosecutor here in arizona and you know it's

been interesting um listening to robert even um talking about politically what is going on in this country. And it's always interesting to hear the interactions that he's had, especially lately with his community and, you know, and you Viva. So thank you for taking some time out of your schedule to hang out with, you know, another concerned citizen. Also, you know, to, to the crew of the show, I appreciate you guys taking time out of your busy days as well.

Running for Senate from the state of South Carolina here, I think there's a lot of importance to the discussion of what's going on here on X, Twitter, whatever the case may be. And I know that there's a lot of battling going back and forth between the left and the right about is censorship going on? Is it not? Who's being censored? Who's not? And I think it's all relevant in this situation. However, I think the more relevant thing that needs to be talked about is there are people that are on this platform as well as Rumble and YouTube and, you know, Telegram, all these different spaces that are actually taking time out of their day to end up, speak up, be heard. And, you know, just everybody keep your head in the game, keep talking, keep speaking up and, you know, we're being heard keep, keep your head in the game. Um, keep talking,

keep speaking up and you know, we're, we're being heard. So thanks. Appreciate it. Okay. Thomas, thank you for your service, my friend. Dr. Gouveia, Robert Gouveia is amazing for anybody who doesn't, doesn't know him watching the watchers.locals.com. He's a criminal attorney, criminal defense, I think out of Arizona, a very smart guy i think i've witnessed his uh red pilling slash black pilling in real time because he like you know you start off you want to be you want to be optimistic and say it's not all corruption all the way down and then uh you know a couple years of analyzing the law and it's it's corruption

all the way down politics and law. Hmm. All right, this is Ida. Let's bring Ida up. Oh, wait. It says remote. Oh, yeah, there we go. Someone on Rumble said, that was a good pep talk.

He's a candidate for Senate in South Carolina. You can tell. And Ida, I think it's Alvarez? Alavune. Alavune doesn't seem to be connecting here. She's sort of stuck with the spinning wheel. In limbo. In limbo.

But you know what? To be fair. Oh, wait, let me try again. Really quick. I have been abusive with Viva Fry's time. Oh, forget that. Don't worry about that. I've been on for over an hour and a half. You want to take more calls? I'm happy to do so.

I'm happy to be in. Our only problem is I have to pee too. We can take a pee break, both of us, but no, we'll finish up soon. But Caleb's biggest problem is his child. he's got to run to do baby care so uh wait until caleb gets older his prostate is going to be his biggest problem see when you yeah when you give drew the tech side of this it always things always go awry i don't know why caleb can. Yeah, it's interesting. Well, go ahead, Caleb. I mean, I do have the text side over here. He just has to press to put people on the line.

And I hear feedback. That was me. I had to move the mic away. Because I'm trying to fix this problem. This is my husband. He can save your life, but he can't work an iPhone. That's it. All right. With that, I'm going to wrap this up if i have to if i have to sit and be insulted we're getting we're getting to a point

where it's time to say enough uh but listen it's always such a privilege to talk to you and i've promised you i'm going to get down to florida and last time you said you're going to take us fishing and uh well that's yes sir well we're gonna we're gonna go fishing we're gonna do an in-studio interview at locals uh you'll come over for a barbecue it will be fantastic so long as you don't mind dogs that next week i i'm not i'm going to milwaukee for the rnc primaries uh with rumble but other than that i'm my kids are in school now i'm landlocked to flor for the year. So anytime. That should be interesting. When are the primary debates you're talking about, right?

Yes, it's the primary, the first round of the primaries. I think it's August 23rd. At least I'm pretty sure that's the night. I'm going to be down there, head down. Barnes is going to meet me down there. We're going to do something exclusive or something with Rumble. And it's going to be fantastic. I mean, I'm not going to do the Viva on the streets.

Maybe I'll try, but it's going to be good. mean i'm not going to do the viva on the streets like maybe i'll try but it's going to be good but all that's saying get down to florida sounds great go fishing we'll go to the beach and we'll have a barbecue okay i so so just i i know you're still uh you're it's interesting the way you describe geography i still i think you still think you're up in montreal because it's across to to Florida and it's way up to Wisconsin from where you are not down to Wisconsin but way up to Wisconsin this is true is it I haven't been and I don't even know I mean I know what Wisconsin is roughly speaking yeah I realize how far south we are to get out of the state of Florida it's a four-hour drive like I drive four hours I'm not even in Georgia. Then I got to go through Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina. What is it? West Virginia, North Virginia.

It's a big, beautiful country. What kind of fishing do you do? Lure fishing or fly fishing? No, he's in the ocean. Or ocean? Is that like lure? Do you do, like, what kind of fishing? Yeah, I fish off the pier. Deerfield has a good international pier.

There's good fishing there. But I fish in the p Deerfield Deerfield has a good international pier uh there's good fishing there but I fish in the ponds and catch bass I bought a fly fishing rod and uh the tip snapped the first day I was using it not because I did anything bad it just I was literally whipping it back and forth and it cracked so I'm waiting for the replacement part but um no I want to go deep sea fishing maybe shark fishing catch a tuna a mar something. We'll make it happen. Oh, my God. You're becoming a true Floridian. You're going to be eating gator soon. I'm looking for a place, Dr. Drew.

So, listen, going forward, let's just end on this note. Can we say something hopeful? Do you sense that the courts are going to solve these problems? Is it? My optimism is that. One of my feelings is that there's kind of a, the Trump derangement syndrome may be underneath all of this. And maybe if Mr. Trump sort of, if he's, you know, loses or wins or whatever, his sort of deal is cast is, is set, maybe people's derangement will settle down and some

of these extreme sort of fluctuations of, of ideas will sort of settle with it. I don't know. What do you say? I would say the exact opposite. If Trump loses or if Trump is. If, if the, if this like persecution of indictment after indictment succeeds, they will have learned exactly the wrong lesson.

It will be the villains will have been victorious. I think the white pill in all of this, I am noticing people are getting more and more aware of it on both sides of the aisle. And we are increasingly able to identify the bad faith actors, the mockingbird types of the media, the idiot celebrities who chime in with their absolutely horrendous opinions. The more they get mocked, the more they get laughed at. I think the more people realize the absolute absurdity. And I do think that people see the absurdity of the Trump indictment. They just have to remember the vocal minority, the vocal minority on Twitter, I do not think

reflect the opinion of the majority. So keep plugging away and keep shamelessly mocking them, even if it means occasionally dropping an F-bomb on Twitter. I do completely agree with you that mocking these sort of wild, outlandish, outlying, extraordinary opinions is the way to approach it or lean into it. Accept it, lean into them a little bit and see where it goes because it goes to absurdity typically. Everyone out there, I invite everyone to go listen to Alyssa Milano's latest podcast where she interviews Kate, I, if everyone out there, I invite everyone to go listen to Alyssa Milano's latest podcast, where she interviews Kate, I forget the last name who wrote a book called transistors. It's a 45 minute, uh, uh, interview. Where a woman is talking about, uh, her transitioning her son, baby boy into a

girl, um, I think more the, the, the tide that has turned on that, where you've reached a level of peak insanity that even the tolerant, peace-loving people have to say, this is a bridge too far for me to accept. I don't know that we've gotten there yet in politics, but I think it's following a similar trajectory. And I think we're getting close to getting there in politics where some people are looking at Jack Smith like he's a savior, whereas I think most people are looking at it like he is Joe Biden's corrupt bulldog, and people are starting to see through the corruption. So that's my Kate Brooks.

Yeah, well, I agree. Seeing through and sort of seeing the machinery operate, particularly as it pertains to the government and the press and some of the excesses that I think I agree with you is a is a net positive. Even what we're seeing is something to be very very concerned about yeah and i think the the lid is about to be blown off the biden corruption even for those who refuse to see it for those who know it's it's already obscene but i think it's becoming so hard to hide um even even the blindest of the sheep are going to finally see it the light well we'll see but that'd'd be my white pill prediction. Viva Friday. Thank you so much for joining me again.

I hope I'll see you soon. Absolutely. Thank you very much. All right. Let's get that. Let that young man go. So I can tell you about some upcoming dates here. We have Tuesday Li Meng Yan coming in.

There they are. Ivor Cummings with Dr. Kelly on Wednesday the 16th and the Thursday the 17th, a special visit with Kelly and Tom Renz who is going to talk to us about what his evidence has uncovered as it pertains to the relationship between some of our government

health officials and those in China, particularly as it pertains to gain-of-function type research. Jimmy Fallon, August 22nd. Susan, how about that? Chris Ruffalo, August 24th. And we have lots more interesting guests coming. Yeah, Dr. Li Ming-Yang got us kicked off of YouTube.

I mean, off of TikTok. TikTok. We got censored on TikTok. They took her videos down. We did these little videos. We decided to have my son put together these video little shorts. And I posted one with her and the other one with the doctor, the older woman with the curly hair. From New England.

Yeah. Anyway, she's now working in England, right? She's done some testimony in england yeah so anyways the meryl nash meryl nash yeah okay so i put up these videos i put up the videos and we got two strikes and then they shut down our tiktok good times so anyways if lee may be able to get us really kicked off of YouTube when she comes on. Well, Lee is now what you call a fan of anything the Chinese government

is involved with, and TikTok is potentially one of their outlets. What's that, Kim? What I'm really excited is for her to come onto the show and talk about that bio lab that was found in California that was unlicensed, and she's been digging very deeply into that. So that's what I want to hear from her. Good for her. Yeah. A lot of her tweets have been about that lately. I thought it was kind of interesting. I don't quite get what's going on there, but she can hopefully elucidate that for us. Uh, people are asking on the restream, how Dr. Victory is

feeling. Dr. Kelly, she's great. She was on yesterday. If you saw that show, you can still watch it. Uh, I don't think it's been taken away. She had a good outcome. She had a very good outcome and lots of very good news, and she's been talking about that, so that's good. But also, I just want to say one more time. Yeah. We don't, there are no ads on Rumble because we don't get paid by Rumble. We did have one ad from them,

but we don't have them right now. But we do have our own sponsors. So if you like the show, go to drdrew.com slash sponsors, get the discount coupon codes. Caleb's put it all together there for you. And just so you know, you know, we're,

we really appreciate your, your, um, support and we were sorry you have to watch ads, but we really love our sponsors. And it makes all this possible. So, uh, thank you for that. And Caleb can then afford to raise his child.

We did this for free for a really long time. Yeah, that's what people really need to understand here too is that this isn't just money going into Dr. Drew and Susan's pocket. This is like paying to feed my babies. Not only that, but it's such a weird thing. People get upset about commercials. Like, what do you think, how do you think people, my salary was paid when I was on HLN and CNN.

What do you think the model is there? And there they have cars and pharmaceutical companies running ads, and that's everything. That's how their whole business operates. And if you can't afford something or if you don't like something, we appreciate you looking into it. We're sorry, and we appreciate you looking into it. we're sorry but we and we appreciate you looking into it but you know these are all great brands and we drew approves everything so you know

we're we're super careful and we appreciate our sponsors even more and more if you're out there listening thank you thank you all of you i use all all the sponsors we actually do all of them I tried to have a conversation with Susan this morning but she had the light in her mouth but that's not the sponsor for this that's a different thing Drew's

yeah I think it is oh it is I'm sick today so I'm a little off my game probably too chatty because I took some Dimetap. Well, thank you all for, and Caleb, thank you for letting us run a little extra time today. I enjoyed just hanging out with you and hearing his thoughts. He's an interesting dude to hang out with.

And we will be with you guys all again on Tuesday with Li Ming Yan. It should be very interesting. I love her. She's an interesting woman. Even though she got me a strike. She's very bright. She knows what she's talking about. And I appreciate it when she comes out.

We had other things we wanted to talk to her about too. I'll remember it by Tuesday. China? You know what it was? I think it was more the stuff we were talking about yesterday. Now I've forgotten the name of our guest yesterday the the um martin mart david martin that he was proposing some stuff about where this virus the backbone of the virus came from that was new information to me and i don't know if she knows or if she can confirm some of that stuff so that'll be interesting all right we'll see you all tuesday

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