Ask Dr. Drew - Roe v. Wade Reaction, FDA Juul Vaping Ban & Your Calls – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 95

Episode Date: June 28, 2022

Dr. Drew discusses today's top stories including the SCOTUS ruling on Roe v. Wade, the FDA's ban on Juul vaping products (now on hold after a federal court order), and more from viewer calls. Originally broadcast on June 27, 2022.  SPONSORED BY • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get 10% off with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation ( https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/FirstLadyOfLove). THE SHOW: For over 30 years, Dr. Drew Pinsky has taken calls from all corners of the globe, answering thousands of questions from teens and young adults. To millions, he is a beacon of truth, integrity, fairness, and common sense. Now, after decades of hosting Loveline and multiple hit TV shows – including Celebrity Rehab, Teen Mom OG, Lifechangers, and more – Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio in California. On Ask Dr. Drew, no question is too extreme or embarrassing because the Dr. has heard it all. Don’t hold in your deepest, darkest questions any longer. Ask Dr. Drew and get real answers today. This show is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. All information exchanged during participation in this program, including interactions with DrDrew.com and any affiliated websites, are intended for educational and/or entertainment purposes only. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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please contact Connex Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. Hey, everybody. We thought we would today go to some of the stuff that is in the news. Whoops. Sorry about that. That's Twitter Spaces. Are you unmuted?

I am unmuted on Twitter Spaces, although I forgot to turn off my phone. So that's why that came through. But be that as it may, we appreciate you guys lining up there on Twitter. If you want to come up and ask questions, all you got to do is raise your hand and I will bring you up to the podium. And you'll be streaming out on all the different platforms that we are using here. We see you at Rumble. We see you in the restream. And I will be taking questions off those chats as well. But be aware, it's hard for me to keep up. You guys

kind of scroll quickly, and I'm trying to take phone calls. So please, patience is what I'm asking for. Without to get into a few things today, we see COVID-19 vaccines for very young people, the Juul ban by the FDA. And so I've got some ideas about Roe versus Wade. I've got sort of interesting observations that I've seen about myself and my reaction to these things, and I kind of want to share that. So let's get, without further delay, let's get right to it. Our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography,

PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for... Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying,

you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time.

Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want to help stop it, I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. So many of you have already raised your hand there and I see you waiting patiently, so I'll probably get to it very, very quickly. But I just wanted to sort of frame today's conversation by saying I've noticed something about myself relative to what has been going on in the political discourse. I don't have an emotional reaction, it seems like, to a lot of the things that happen politically and judicially and whatever it might be. I have

opinions, but I tend to see both sides, and so I don't have a strong emotional reaction. I have noticed where I have a reaction is when it pertains to my profession. So things around vaccines, around interfering with doctors and patients if they feel abortion is the right thing for a given situation. Medical treatments, I get upset. That's when I have my emotional reaction. I have to watch it because it tends to bias. It's another layer of bias to opinions. So I have to watch it.

But as it pertains to, let's just start with something easy, like Juul. They outlawed, the FDA put a ban on Juul, which to me seemed like the stupidest thing I could possibly imagine. In that vaping nicotine has repeatedly in the medical literature been shown the most effective way to get people off cigarettes. Now, I understand there's concerns about getting adolescents hooked on the behavior in adolescents increases the probability of tobacco use later.

Let's go at that as opposed to eliminating one of the most efficacious means we have to prevent people to get people off cigarettes. I mean, it's been shown over and over again. I can't say this strongly enough. Nicotine is not a dangerous element. It has side effects. It's the addictive piece of tobacco, but it's not a dangerous thing. I have hundreds of patients that I've helped get off tobacco with nicotine replacement systems like gum and lozenges and patches and stuff. And some of them, particularly those that start using tobacco in their adolescent years,

can never stop nicotine. That's what the literature shows. If you start smoking around 14, 15, you're probably going to need some kind of nicotine the rest of your life, or you'll go keep going back to cigarettes. And guess what? That's what we do. We keep them on nicotine the rest of your life, or you'll keep going back to cigarettes. And guess what? That's what we do. We keep them on nicotine. We keep them on a gum or lozenge. Bob Forrest, I don't know if you've ever seen us talk to Bob Forrest. He's always putting that gum in his mouth. He's been on the gum for probably decades now. And the total effect on his body? Zero. Zero. In fact, some people are advocating using nicotine as an appetite suppressant medication, but because there's so much weird energy around it as it pertains to tobacco, we don't get to do that research. So again, here we are again. Now, I understand Juul had these

flavored products that were hooking young people, and so the company, I think, got sort of a black eye for being that group that was not. Alluring in the kids. Yeah, for not understanding that they would do that. Now, plenty non-kids use it. Our friend Kat Timpf uses flavored, you know, jewels and vapes of all types. But she's like a nine-year-old. But she's not, is the point. She looks like one.

I understand, but she's not. And so the point being is that she uses them too, so it's not exclusively something that hooked adolescents. But I understand there should have been active prevention sort of interventions done. Maybe they didn't do it. My understanding is now that Juul has done literally millions of dollars of campaigning to help people get off tobacco and nicotine and all this stuff. So I don't understand what they're doing. I have no interest in that company. I don't think I've ever, I did work transiently for the people that make the nicotine gum and lozenges

decades ago, because these have consistently been shown, particularly in the first few weeks when the highest rate of relapse occurs, particularly useful for people. I used to use it all the time in my drug treatment program. And there are some medications also that can be useful as well. And they work sometimes. Sometimes they work really well, not all the time. So that's that. So again, I only have an emotional reaction to that because it sort of interferes with my ability to practice medicine. If somebody is willing to use a Juul, now there are other products out there, to be fair, that can help me get patients off tobacco. All right. I'm reading your comments right now.

Give me a second to do that. Right. Matt is saying, no uh facebook user is saying he was able to whittle his nicotine use down so he didn't need it at all with a vape i'm sure is what you're saying which i have seen again and again and again um now if somebody had a tobacco history and they go back to vaping that's not ideal right so i wouldn't recommend that uh let's see i'm looking at your comments why did the government leave big tobacco vape yeah so here's an interesting question from tom cigar as usual provocative why did the government leave the big tobacco vapes the big tobacco has

their own brand of vapes alone uh and only attack the jewel i i I don't know. I just want to see the evidence. Why did they do that? Yeah, Tom put it up again. Let's see. More people off tobacco. They need a way to make the money back. That's the, well, that's the companies. All right. So there's much more to be discussed. That's my little primer as it pertains to the Juul fiasco I have been quiet on Twitter about most of these controversial things because I don't want to run into the emotionality and and as always if I say anything what goes viral is somebody saying something other than what I said as though that was what I said and then that becomes a viral problem so i prefer you've created a perfect situation mob uh where those of us that

have opinions just stay quiet until we can explain everything uh such as now so i'm going to go to the well at least we have twitter spaces yes we have twitter spaces and i'm gonna go to you can yell at him here just just raise your hand no the, the thing is, yes, you can yell at me here. But the thing is, here we are humans interacting, assessing each other's. Dave McCraney, who I interviewed a couple weeks ago, has this great book called How Minds Change. And he was saying that in Twitter, you just pile opinions in, but you never evaluate one another's opinions. There's that great book. And evaluating each other's opinions is, in fact, how we arrive at

a better place. It's how we were evolved to get to evolutionary advantaged means to survival and happens to get us more towards the truth uh let's see i'm trying to get uh clinton to come on up here it's if you and clinton don't forget to unmute your mic down the lower left hand corner there you are what's up clinton there's a little lag so yeah hi sorry about that clinton devoe here listener, avid fan from Canada, a contributor to media circles here in this country. In regards to Roe versus Wade, why isn't there not greater emphasis placed on just simply trusting women to make their own decisions for themselves?

I mean, isn't this in some ways? Well, you there, Clinton? Some ways. I wonder why that happened. Is that at my end? And I'm just curious what your thoughts are, Dr. But Clinton, let me just say, I live in a state where they do. And most states do so it's kind of a it kind of misses the point which is that this was about whether or not the federal government should as specified by the constitution be the one that makes that determination and they determine it should be the states and you know so so i i put this up on locals too and it seemed like most people on locals had the same opinion, which is they liked the reduced federalism, but were happy to live in states where the voting population decided

that there should be abortions. And in California, it's highly protected. And I don't, I see both sides of the argument. So I have a strong opinion. But I, you know, I feel better about being in california now i gotta say it's got to change some of my attitude about california so does that make sense in other words if they were to decide that the federal government had the authority to determine these things that would be a perfectly appropriate question leave it to women and in california we pretty

or how about or my opinion would be how about leave it to doctors and patients it's a medical procedure how about you leave it to doctors and patients? It's a medical procedure. How about you leave it to doctors and patients and let us leave it to women? How about that? You have so much problem with this as some sort of people are going to run wild doing abortions. Yeah, leave it to the medical system then. So that's really, again, this is where I started to get emotional. That's sort of my opinion.

It should be they're intruding on a doctor and a patient's right to make the best determination for that given individual. But really what it was is that the federal government should have no say in the states that the states should decide. Isn't there one? What do you say or what do we say to women who live in states where where abortion is banned or is in the process of being made i would say i would say three things and by the way aoc and i didn't retweet this intentionally because i didn't want to take the heat aoc yesterday had an excellent thread on this i didn't agree with everything she put down there but she had an excellent thread about what the legislators should be doing. So what you should be doing if you are pro-abortion is you should be immediately mobilizing and pressuring your legislators. If you want it to be a federal law or a federal sort of mandate, you should be pressuring and organizing and pressuring the legislature to do

this. Her point was, AOC's point was, you knew this was coming, Congress. Why didn't you do something sooner? Why didn't we get on top of this and pass a law? And that'll be the end of it. Then the Supreme Court has nothing to do with it at that point. It's just a law that we create that protects this right for women, and it's done. That is specified in the Constitution, though somebody might sort know sort of challenge

whether or not that kind of thing can be issued from the federal government i suppose there would be some sort of weird delay the next thing your state government get a voting block or get out of that state and then thirdly i did tweet an article about the availability of the of the abortion pills again work with your doctor on this. But the vast, vast, vast majority of abortions are done with a pill today. Those pills are highly available. What I don't know is whether or not you would be in trouble if you're taking any really significant risk if you get access to these pills. I don't know what the legal risk is. And by the way, having said all this, I'm sort of pro, Susan,'re you're very pro-life but you had a very strong reaction

in this direction right right i mean for me but but you had a strong reaction i think stronger than mine you had an emotional reaction to the the decision i just don't like to see everybody put in one place like not every it's not one size fits all you know if you're 13 and you get pregnant by your crazy uncle probably should get an abortion yeah if you are you know raped and you know at gunpoint and you get pregnant probably with that be your should be your decision or crack crack if you don't want hang on listen let me interrupt you i'm sorry because up on the screen is is the very thread i was talking about but follow the whole thread through she puts up a puts puts up a bunch of

things that could be done that i didn't know could be done and that looked like that there is something we should be doing and it seemed very rational for me i'm not sure i agree with all of it but seemed very very very rational but it's not my opinion like you know what i mean we all have our own opinions about how we want to how we want it for our own bodies like i if i got pregnant before i was married i probably would have had it what if you lived but what if you lived in a state let's say you lived in cal well let's say you lived in louisiana and you couldn't do it what would you do and you were poor if i was poor i would keep it just because that's me. No, no, no, no.

Okay. But that would be me. But for somebody else. Hang on. You said you probably would get an abortion and then you said you probably would keep it. No, I would if I was raped or if I was 13. So what would you do if you were in Louisiana and poor and you were raped or you were an uncle? I don't know.

Well. I would cry a lot. Would you find a friend to get a car? Would you go to Mexico? Would you go to... I would hope that my parents would figure it out, but I would also... Okay, that's another point.

You just made an interesting point that I've not heard people bring up. Some of these people that need these procedures are effectively children. And I don't ever see people talk about that. They always talk about the, um, the poor, the poor access. I mean, I, listen, I just hope that more parents will teach their kids not to get pregnant before it's too soon. Yeah. But look, I've been working on that for, I mean, you can't stop a perpetrator like that happens and that would be a horrible

experience, but, and I don't wish it on anybody okay let's get clinton but honestly my opinion i'm i would have to make the choice it would be a hard choice but here's why what caught my attention you you've always been very very pro life but when this happened you got upset you didn't like no because i'm not like everybody you know so you don't like women having restricted options yeah so i'm i'm middle of the road but i'm also like i think that there are reasons to not, and if it's very early in the pregnancy and it just happened and you can take the pill or you can get an abortion at an early trimester, you know, before it's too late, you know,

if you wait too long, that's not a good thing. We're getting into the weeds a little bit. I get it. But no, I just, I, it just makes me sad because I think women should have a right to decide what they want to do with their body. This was Clinton's point to begin with. Why don't we just leave it up to women, which I think that's 85 to 90% what we should be doing. I think my profession should be involved, and I think it should be about women. That's why women react so emotionally to it.

It is very personal to being a women woman clinton go ahead i know you got your hand up there go ahead yeah thank you very much dr drew uh so i guess one of the points i was going to make that you touched on was you know what do we say when i say we like like in this hypothetical situation uh to a 12 or 13 year old girl that's been raped by a family member who suddenly finds themselves pregnant. And now the law is and they live in a state where abortion is illegal. And now they're being told you effectively have to give birth to your sister. Yeah. You know, I view this as a huge problem. But I mean, I'm speaking as a Canadian looking. No, it is. From the outside view this as a huge problem but i mean i'm speaking as a canadian

looking no it's it is from the outside it is a huge problem and and it is a huge i agree with it's a huge problem now here's what let me give you both uh sort of philosophies on this um the pro-life people would say it's not the child's fault that this happened so you have to protect that child okay on the the the argument pro-choice uh morning after pills still work guys you can use more well that's another issue and so i want to get into that in just a second the morning the morning after pill is uh i i adam microbon mcbong i adam mcbong atomic mcbong there you go uh vasectomy is all good but but let me just finish my thought here guys which is that one would say the child wasn't guilty for having for the route of conception therefore it has to be protected on the argument i don't see on the pro-choice side that i wish i would see more of is what is the obligation of any of us to preserve every life that happens upon us?

You know what I'm saying, Clinton? In other words, you're saying women have a categorical nine-month obligation. There was an old thought experiment where they'd say, hey, all of a sudden someone comes up to you on the street because of something you did, something magical you did, and they grab you and they put you in a cab and they say, I'm sorry, next nine months you're going to have to be hooked up to a circulation of a famous pianist.

And the only way this person's life can be saved is you hook up your circulation for nine months. Are you obliged to do that? I don't see. So it's interesting to me that- Sounds pretty fun to me. If you could play the piano. Better than pregnancy.

But what's interesting to me is it's issues of freedom. And the pro-lifers are the freedom folks. And they're willing to restrict the freedom of the people who want choice. It's all super messy to me. I'm glad I'm not getting into the fray. But I am just throwing out thoughts about this. And please don't accuse me of going one way or the other. I think I'm pretty much in the middle, but I am.

No, no. I guess I am pro-choice, really, when you get right down to it. And Susan is pro-life when you get right down to it. I'll tell you why. My mother accidentally got pregnant with me. And she was told that she wasn't going to ovulate or menstruate or ovulate. And he meant menstruate. And then she got pregnant after having two children that died during birth between me and my brother, 11 years.

So there were two boys between us. She had Rh negative blood. The old dropsy. And she got pregnant with me, and she was like, I don't want to do this again. And she had a choice, and she said, well, I just went forward with it. So I was always really grateful that I was born. I had the same blood type, and I didn't die.

And then when my kids were implanted, I had four, and they were going to maybe reduce it and we thought about that and they would have reduced it and removed Paulina's egg and I just was not I can tell you that I wasn't going to do it even though I listened to them and I heard the outcome may not be good if I had triplets and I I was just like, not, I just, and it is a little bit more spiritual for me than it is. You know, I, I really thought I worked so hard to get pregnant with triplets. And then when I had them, I was like, I, I just don't have the heart to do that. I'm willing to take the risks of something happening to me or, you know, having them a

little early or whatever, but it's and i also think that i was old enough i was my mother was 31 i was 31 when we made this decision so it's a little different because we were married but i'm trying and it was very emotional it's very emotional for you and like you said spiritual emotional right and i get it i'm trying to remain non-emotional. But on the other hand, if my daughter was 13 and she got pregnant, I might make that choice. But I made a big deal with her because she said, well, if I get pregnant, I'll just get an abortion. I said, it's not really good for you emotionally to get pregnant before you're ready. So let's just not do that. Because I don't know what I would have done that maybe.

I would have let her have, I'm not sure. Okay. But the question at hand is, because of the lack of a federal position, it has left it to states, and some states have taken positions that create egregious, and I think everybody would agree, egregious circumstances. So given that that is true, Clinton, go ahead. Well, I guess my closing point would be, is what I started this conversation with, and that I just, as a man, I just think as a society that we would be better off if men remove themselves from this discussion. I don't disagree.

And let women make these decisions. And I think in the long run. I don't disagree. You probably get a better decision that way. And certainly less, a lot of the defensiveness is built on you're telling me what to do rather than leaving us the decision. But don't you think men should have a little bit more respect for the situation too, thinking about this now?

Like maybe if you've had like three or four kids, get a vasectomy. Of course. Of course men should be involved with this. Or just make sure you use birth control. Make sure she's on birth control. And for young people especially, teach them more condoms, less unsafe sex. I just want to jump in there right quick i mean i i agree with you that education is obviously an important component to this yeah

but i i think part and i think dr drew may agree with me on this and i'm not a doctor but it seems quite clear that uh sex is is a very powerful biological what what are you talking about you're kidding how dare you and so the idea yeah and so and so the idea that children or adults will always make uh you know the right choices at a particular moment in time i think is just ridiculous it's it's naive it's naive i've been i've been on this the front lines of this since the 1980s uh i got on to it because of uh hiv and aids and i was just trying to get people to wear condoms back then and uh just getting somebody to wear a condom was impossible let alone getting somebody to adjust their sexual behaviors it's just this you it's just you know don't be ridiculous but pullinging out doesn't work.

But we also know that there are ways to address it now. We found ways to get people's sort of behavior adjusted, but it would need a massive campaign. And I'm not even sure what the campaign would be. I mean, what would our goal be? Don't have sex before you're 16, before you're 18. Don't ever have sex. Beware of your sick uncle.

With porn everywhere, young kids are seeing porn, and they're starting to have sex earlier and earlier. And they don't really get it because their parents are not communicating. They don't know. Some parents don't even know their kids are active. And it's just ridiculous. So thank you, Clinton. All good, provocative questions. I put

you back in the room. I hope I did it justice. I got really lucky. My cousins were older than me, and they all got pregnant before they were married. And I realized that I didn't want that. And because we get pregnant very easy in this family, you just look at us when we get pregnant. And I got an IUD when I was 17. And that's how I handled it. I got on it. Go ahead. Linda. Hi, Dr. Drew. I'm Linda Adams. How are you? Good. I'm probably in the 1% of the population that actually carried a baby with trisomy 18 to term.

And my first question was, can we test for that earlier than 20 weeks? I understand we've got, we've got what, CVS and amnio. Is there anything else? And is it any sooner? I am not a high risk OB person, but have you looked that up ever? Yeah, it's pretty much 20 weeks. And a lot of these places that are banning abortion, um, that, you know, or that have some trigger locks or whatever it is in place, they're saying, you know, oh, you can have an abortion up to 15 weeks, but that doesn't, that doesn't scream for T13 or T18. And people don't understand this isn't down syndrome. This isn't, this is a diagnosis of not compatible with life. Yeah. And the percentage of them even making it to birth is so tiny.

And then if, if you do have them, your life is turned to hell because they're dying on you every other day. They're at home on life support. Okay. And you have to get their heart repaired. I went to Miami children's to get her heart repaired. And I was actually told by a cardiologist, I'm sorry, we can't fix your daughter Kashmir's heart because we don't repair the hearts of retards. They did not say that. He did say that. He was a cardiologist, Sam.

And I said, do you know Redmond Burke? Anyway, so I said to Sam. Did he use the R word? Yes, he did. No, I wrote it down. I'm writing a book. What's going on now? I basically said, you know, you don't repair the hearts of anybody because you're not an effing cardiovascular surgeon.

I said, I am here to talk to Redmond Burke. And he's a celebrity doctor at this point. I mean, the guy's amazing. Did he drop things? Did you have a transposition or something what was going on she had a vst okay okay okay it was a very very large vst how's she doing now she's dead okay sorry for your ventricular it's okay i mean you know this is a good example this is a good example here's the thing what yeah here's the thing what a lot of people don't

understand these babies that are deemed not compatible with life, that means even if they do live, they're going to die on you every other day. You are going to spend about $20 million. And Linda, the worst is when it goes until maybe there's all kinds of other syndromes that can go on for 10 years or so and it's the same thing. And during that time, it turns your life upside down. So it's back to my original point. This decision should have been between you and your doctor, right? It's a medical decision. And somehow these states have got to carve out the medical decision-making

because it's disgusting that they're trying to legislate. Listen, didn't COVID teach us that we need to get doctors and patients back in charge of things? I don't know, but they've got to come up with it. And I know you're a doctor, so maybe you can talk to your colleagues. And I know this isn't your area of expertise, but we have got to come up with some better screening tests that happen earlier in a pregnancy so that a woman will know, because T18 and T13 are not compatible.

T20, right. Yeah be it would be reasonable i mean it's not it's a i don't understand why they again because it's not my field i don't understand why they can't do it with amniocentesis sooner i don't understand why yeah well i don't either and they and they and they scare you to holy hell before they do the procedure because i did go for an amnio and they scare you and they scare you to holy hell before they do the procedure, because I did go for an amnio. Of course. And they scare you, and they make you sign all these forms, and they say, here's your percentage of miscarriage. Of course. And you're just like, oh, my God.

And you're thinking to yourself, well, there might be nothing wrong with my baby, and then I'm risking my baby. That's how I felt. Right. And having a baby with trisomy 18, I mean, it wasn't just the heart that needed to be repaired. She had to be on a ventilator and on an ET tube. That's an unstable airway. So then you have to trach her. And a G-tube.

And a G-tube, that's right. And then you have to have nurses and doctors in your house 24-7. I get it. Oh, and I had a baby right after her 11 months later. So now I have one at home on life support. I have one baby at home on life support. I have a one-month-old, and I have a five-year-old.

So here's what I would ask you in your quest. Yes. Understand that there's a bunch of other syndromes like this that we, that are, that generally speaking, I've watched this happen for years, our care is generally irrational. Yeah. And I would love to see you give some thoughts on the spectrum of essentially not compatible with life births, which is a spectrum, which is a spectrum. And it would be a really important thing, I think, right now. Well, I looked up, okay, here's the thing.

I knew ahead of time she was going to survive. And you know how I knew that? Okay, I'm not a doctor and I'm not a geneticist, but I'm pretty smart. I looked up her nomenclature and I did research from every university from here to the world and back, and she came up with a double isochrome pattern, which is like mosaic. Mosaic's not very serious, but double isochrome is better than full T18. She had full T18. So she had some cells without the trisomy. That's correct.

So we're talking about the 18th chromosome, where there should be two, there are three. And that creates horrible neurological and cardiological problems and developmental problems. Oh my God, they've got deformed hands and rocker bottom feet, their kidneys are horseshoe shit. I mean, you should see the list of defects. I mean, it's like a 20-page book of just defects. Is that the one they used to call?

There was 20, the Cree-Dusha. I think that was 20. Oh no, okay. There's a lot of them. Well The Cree Dushan. I think that was 20. Oh, no. Okay. There's a lot of Cinder. Well, no. 21 is Downs. Yeah. And T13, oh, for God's sake, I forgot what T13 is.

But T18 is Edwards. Okay. Yeah. So listen, I've got to keep moving here. I appreciate it, Linda. I look forward to whatever you, you know, promote your book with us. We're happy to hear more, okay? Right.

Okay. Okay, sounds great. Thanks, doctor. See, this is how the weeds, this is the weeds of all this. This is how this gets complicated. See, I don't have this experience, but that does make sense.

That's right. And if it was she and her doctor making the decision, you may or may not have had something like this. At least she would have felt empowered to have made the choice to do this, but it's... If they had told us that our kids had down syndrome what would you have done downs is is if it had been t18 which is different well they told me paulina had spina bifida right

but she's just super flexible right it's it's super hard to even tell how you'd make these decisions in the moment i i don't presume to most people. I don't know what I would do either. That would be a conundrum. But I don't know. All right. From the sublime to the ridiculous, we have to go take a quick break here. So we're going to take a breather. These are heavy topics. We got much more to go, go more to talk about give me a second here to let's see oh yeah we'll talk more about the vaccine situation let me look at your restream here a little quick okay why isn't the medical community working on a vasectomy that can be reversed well there are reversal vasectomies. They're just not 100%.

And so you're taking a certain amount of risk. And one of these days, I'm going to get a urologist in here to talk about this stuff. Let's see. Sorry, while I look. No, I want to make sure, because people complain that we don't respond to the-

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To remove the pox, the retained products of conception, has nothing to do with a fetus. This is not black and white like people think. My mother almost died of ectopic pregnancy when my father was nowhere to be found. Again, that's a dead child.

That's a dead fetus. So no one is going to have issues with that. And I'm certain you could easily, if there are sort of weird God knows what that gets in the way,

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But this stuff's going to get sorted out very easily. The more difficult problems are going to be the things like Linda just talked about. That's where you're going to get into the weird weeds on these things. And what Susan was talking about in clinton too the 13 year old that doesn't even there's so many different people in the world different problems yes they're awful circumstances there are egregious circumstances that are going to occur because of this and we need to immediately begin helping people plan for that that's the best i can do and

again i leave it as much as possible we get the medical profession involved we we always represent the patients we will find ways to represent the patient that's true hey tell everybody what i had after my kidney stone fake oh we didn't update you on no somebody asked me if i'm feeling better i wasn't here last time because i remember laying in bed sick as hell so it's a long story i'll distill it down to one thing she had dental abscess that went untreated for a long time a year it was treated and then it went into her jaw they did not realize the infection was going into her jaw then it was seated into her back and went across caused pain down her leg. I recognize that as some sort of

para-infectious phenomenon, so I insisted she start antibiotics. It went away, but she didn't take the antibiotics long enough. Or enough of them. Or enough of them. I wasn't giving them in high doses. And suddenly she woke up with severe pain

in her chest wall, bizarre cramping. She called like labor pain. I had a baby alien coming out. Labor pain in her abdomen. That's what it felt like. Wow. And it sounded like, oh, you don't know about this yet?

No, I didn't know that it was all the way from her tooth. Wow. So hold on. It gets better. Remember, I couldn't open my mouth. I couldn't talk. It keeps going. It keeps going.

And so she... I got a CAT scan. He was like, oh, you have muscle problems. I was like, I don't know. She appropriately went to see her doctor. Oh, the kidney stone. It had this quality of like this colicky. It would come in waves.

And it sounded like kidney stone, but her urine was clear. And she didn't have any pain in her back where the kidneys are so i was sort of confused so her doctor was confused too and he ordered appropriately a cat scan because you'd see kidney stone amongst if there's anything else weird going on and lo and behold there was a lot weird going on she had a bilateral i wasn't faking it bilateral pleural effusions which is fluid in the space between the lungs and the chest wall, and something called mesenteric paniculitis, which is this rare inflammation of the fat around the mesenteric artery.

Neither I nor her doctor had ever heard of it. I spent time looking at the medical literature to figure out what this was, caused by infections and cancer and other deep-seated infections like tuberculosis uh but infection can do this a rare presentation is pleural effusions so she had a rare condition with a rare presentation all right and we put her on high-dose antibiotics and all got better very very quick yeah really fast so my thing was

dennis should give you antibiotics after you have a root canal drilled. My thing is that we forget... You were out of town, so I kind of was curious why they didn't give me antibiotics. I was in the Middle East doing the thing I can't tell you guys about. This was from your root canal, Susan? Yes, effectively. I had a root canal 20 years ago, and they had to open it up, and then they just left it. They didn't give me any antibiotics, and I was like, that's so weird.

And I could barely open my mouth for like two weeks and i went back into the doctor and she said oh here's the motrin and go on your merry way and the motrin worked so susan has a great appreciation for me because i'm normally around to fix these things for her and she was right because my internist was like i think you have a muscle spasm. And I was like, yeah, this feels like something else. I don't know. Because I couldn't even stand up or sit down or move. It was like really weird. Well, in any event. But I'm fine now.

I worked out today. It reminded me that we don't see the kind of protean responses to untreated bacterial infections we used to see. So when I was in training, I would see this stuff. And so I was sort of alert to it. And beta strep, beta hemolytic strep in particular, I'd seen do stuff like this. And we think that's what she probably had. So there we go. Somebody wanted to know if I took ivermectin.

For a bacterial infection. I think not. I think not. But I will remind everybody. Or hydroxychloroquine. That ivermectin is still mandated by the CDC for anybody fleeing most countries as a refugee. You have to take ivermectin to be admitted to this country to clear abdominal helmets, abdominal worms,

which are very, very common. Hey, let me just get over to... Did your restream go down? Let me see. Just mine. Mine seems to be fine. Oh. Well, if there are any nice comments out there,

thank you. Yeah. I'm much better. Is it true that iced tea consumption is related to kidney stones? Yes. Tea and coffee and chocolate has oxalates, and those are one of the key...

Oh, I was so bummed i was like i can't drink coffee anymore have a urate crystal core and they form calcium oxalate around that urate and the oxalate is one of the sort of precipitating things and oxalate is in coffee and tea and chocolates so i'm looking at rumble i'm trying to understand somebody says you don't have to answer what i said i try to figure out what you said uh you're under no obligation to respond to anything i say the woman talking wait a minute woman talking makes it sound like her children are burdens well if you've had a severely just you know, an aneurysmal child, that is a burden. I don't think she's saying, like, she probably tried her hardest, but realized that it really would have been better for everybody, not just her, but the child. Like, it sounds like it was, you know, painful, too, for this child and not just for her.

Like, to have to watch your child get a tracheotomy and then this and that, and they try to keep him alive. That is the point. It just causes suffering. It doesn't prolong life. It causes suffering. And a life, you've got to really wonder whether it's worth doing that. That's all I'm saying. It feels like a sword through my heart when I see Camden just sniffling and sneezing and sad just from being a little bit sick the past couple of days i cannot imagine trying to use the government and laws to dictate that someone has to watch their child

suffer through something a 10 or 100 times worse like i i could not be the person that's saying i want to use my government to force someone to do that yeah right it's it's again when centralized authority i can't say this is strong enough. One of the things I hope we all learn from COVID is that when centralized authority overreaches into the relationship with a patient and a doctor, horrible things ensue, really bad things. And it only causes suffering. I was thinking about this today. I gave a lecture in Bermuda. And the lecture, I was sort of talking about the excessive centralization. And I was thinking about this today. I gave a lecture in Bermuda, and the lecture I was sort of talking about the excessive

centralization, and I was thinking about this today, and they kind of pushed back on me a little bit. And I was thinking, you know, if we had only centralized authority, which would hand down thus sayeth the Lord clinical pathways, things that doctors must do. And I was thinking about it. I just took a simple situation. Let's say I brought a pneumonia in. And usually in these pneumonias, they will, I'm not saying necessarily they mandate, but let's say they mandated albuterol treatments,

pulmonary therapy, okay? Which sometimes is very helpful. But let's say they require it for certain kinds of pneumonias. And let's say I decide, I don't want to give that patient that medicine because they have panic attacks. And we sat down and talked about it.

And the patient I decided, why put them through that? They probably don't need this. We'll put them on a mucus thinner and that'll be that. And maybe we'll do some pulmonary toilet, but not the inhalers. Not the inhalers that cause panic. Well, the centralized authority could easily hand down, put them on a beta blocker or put them on some sort of anxiety medication to compensate. Obviously, beta blocker is not the right, but some sort of anxiety medication. What if they're a drug addict?

What if they're depressed? What if they're on anxiety medication? The point being the nuances of what must go on between a doctor and a patient is highly specific to the circumstance of that patient. And when you hand down centralized mandates, you undo the quality of what's necessary to really do the right thing for the patient. And when you hand down centralized mandates, you undo the quality of what's necessary to really do the right thing for the patient. And there's no one else looking out for that except the medical providers. I'm not saying strictly the physicians, the nurses are too, the PAs are too. But if you have only centralized authorities mandating things, you end up with

really, really bad care. So, all right. Let me go back to the questions here. Sorry about that. This is Co-Psych Nurse. This is good. Psych Nurse, how are you? You are still muted there. So unmute your mic in the lower left-hand corner, and we can talk to you.

Co-Pych nurse. You're still muted. There you are. There you are. Now I'm back. Yeah, I guess I'm going to try to take the emotion out of this topic because it's obviously highly emotional.

Yes. You know, I think part of the concern, especially as a healthcare provider, is the potential for disjointed healthcare care for women across various states, depending on their situation and insurance coverage and what that can mean to the doctor-patient relationship. Okay, so hold on. You added another layer of complexity to this, which is, are they Medi-Cal? Do they have insurance? What about insurance mandates? How do we deal with all that, right? Exactly. Yep, correct. That's going to be a mess.

A mess. to your own state's insurance unless it's emergency. Maybe it is an emergency. So very difficult things to tease out in the future. Right. And that's exactly right. And so you're a nurse, and so you see the potential. I'm a physician, so I see it. And this is the thing I keep saying. This is the thing I'm at right now, which is,

why can't you empower the medical system to take care of people when it's medically appropriate, number one? And if you don't, you're going to be saddled with some egregious circumstances that you better be already planning how you're going to handle. They're almost unpredictably complex, and that's the point you're making. And I think that's right. And unless you create some sort of mechanism for the medical providers to help, it's going to be a lot of awful stuff's going to happen. Don't you think? Right. Yeah.

Yeah. No, absolutely. It's very, very concerning to me. And as a psych nurse, I mean, just the mental health implications for women and families faced with this, and then to deal with the bureaucracy around healthcare already which is which is what you're bringing up yeah and that's something i had not really even thought about uh because that's another layer to this as it is see i'm a little naive to this stuff as it is does medical cover the abortifacient pills that kind of thing? That I can't answer because I'm

in Colorado, but I don't know. I'm sorry. I'm Medicaid. Medi-Cal is California's version. Right, right. Honestly, I'm not sure if it's covered.

I think it may be. It's all stuff we got to really look at, right? Will they continue to cover it? How's that going to work? And what if somebody goes to another state? Will they cover it there? That's all what you're talking about. Right.

I mean, I can tell you the federal government, in terms of like the VA, covers emergency contraception. Which is a different thing. Right. Oh, but listen, good, I've got a nurse on the phone here, so I'm going to launch into this other thing. I am very concerned about if you're going to be staunchly anti-abortion, I mean, you are, strictly speaking, life begins at conception.

That is your position. And it seems like that's sort of what a lot of states are taking as a position, not only, a number of states are taking as a position. If that is so, there are a, well, essentially all birth controls. So for sure, IUDs are designed to prevent implantation. That's what they're designed to do.

So now you have to get rid of IUDs. It turns out that the morning after pill mostly works by suppressing ovulation, but it can have some effect theoretically on implantation. But so can the pill that you take every day. So birth control pills would have to be on the chopping block. I know people are saying it's histrionic or hysterical to say that contraception is next, but if you're going to be strict about life begins at conception, you can't have IUDs

and you can't have hormonal contraceptions because they all have a potential or designed to interfere with implantation so what do you think we're going to do about that uh you thought about that like that i feel like that's in the weeds because that's i mean now that's treading into uh you know separation of church and state? Well, it's religious. It's religious. No, it's a biological issue.

When does life begin is a biological question, some people would say. And some would say rather than splitting hairs around implantation, it just begins at conception. That's when the potential is there. There's a potential life that needs to be protected at conception. That's when the potential is there. There's a potential life that needs to be protected at conception. That's a, that's a, that's a philosophical position and might be a political position too. That's what scares me. That's all I'm saying.

So you're saying that you don't, you don't think people would follow this logic. So fine. Good. I hope not. I hope not. I don't know. I mean,

I think there's probably a segment of the population that, that does, you know, look at life in that way and say birth control, I mean, you know, is interfering with that and should be banned. So. Nobody agrees on anything. So 50% in one direction, 50%. Well, good.

I mean, if that seems to me, I look at the biology and I think, well, if you're going to be that way, you've got to think about this too. But if your instinct is, both of you, Susan, you're saying the same thing, that it's a far-fetched idea that people are not going to go for it. Good. Good. I'd love to hear that. So what is your name, by the way? My name is Liz. Liz, thank you for joining us.

Appreciate it. I'm going to put you back in the audience, okay? Thanks. All right, you got it us. Appreciate it. I'm going to put you back in the audience, okay? Thanks. All right, you got it. All interesting, good questions here. Caleb, do you have any questions? You usually have stuff around all this. My sinuses are killing me.

I just, yeah. My voice is off. You're going to be left alone. Now he's sick. Yeah, it got, yeah. Diamond town. Exactly, exactly. Okay, let me keep going here then on the calls.

Let me quickly look at the... Okay, casual sex needs to be pondered. I like that. Let's see. Let me see what they're saying over at Rumble. Give me a second here to look at their comments. Anybody raising their hand? Yeah, there's a lot of hands. I'm going to get to calls. Don't worry.

That was a reply to... This is great radio. I know, but let me just do it. Okay, so no one's really reacting to that whole conversation. Having a child at 13 years old will ruin many lives forever. True that. Natalie, go right ahead and have at it your mic is muted as most people are when they come to the podium here's but

do you want to meet your mic you'll be streamed out of multiple platforms twitch twitter rumble twitter youtube we got you oh you know you you're back there you are natalie what's up yeah i guess i'm just curious from from just watching media and things like that. It seems like there's a lot of vandalism and stuff like that against pregnancy centers. And I'm just curious, why are people who are pro-choice or pro-abortion so against pregnancy centers that are trying to also help women who just happen to choose life or educate on you know, educate on heartbeat, that kind of thing. I have, I, the, I don't know. I don't know. I, I, all I know is there's a lot of emotion on both sides and that is not a, I don't see that where that's helpful. And B, I don't see where it pushes anybody's agenda forward. I mean, I feel like already in the 30 minutes of conversation here,

we've made more people think about the complexities of this thing than any attack on an abortion center or a pregnancy center would have, it seems to me. Look, you react with emotionality and aggression. You just make people dig into their whatever position they already have. You do not change minds that way. Look at David McCraney's book, How to Change Minds. Think on that.

If you really want to change people's mind, you really want to, there it is, do something different, you make contact with people and you help them look at their position rationally and from the standpoint of why they have the position they have. But I don't know, Natalie, I wish I knew more about what was going on in some people's heads. But I'm generally mystified by a lot of the demonstrating

because what is the point? Again, AOC had a great idea. Well, let's go get some legislation. Let's move on these things. That's not in the street. That's with your legislator. Let's go do this. I don't get it.

I don't know. But call me crazy. Drew doesn't have an answer. Of course not. I don't know. But call me crazy. Drew doesn't have an answer. Of course not. I don't know. No, no. It's too, I don't want to have an answer.

It's too complicated for me. Like Clinton said back in the beginning, leave it for a moment. People are crazy and they go out and try to obstruct people's lives. I have several different positions. One,

we should get the medical system back involved. We should have women be making this decision more than men. And you've created some egregious circumstance. You better be ready to deal with this. Natural born son, what's up there?

What's up? Hey, what's happening? Hey, so I just had a question regarding the Medicare, Medicaid type question. Obviously, at this point, if it's been deemed illegal obviously would this make sense that the government federal government wouldn't fund those state programs i did they i see i don't even understand that we need a lawyer in here but i don't know that they made it illegal they made it they made it such that the a state could make it illegal and what other 12 states that did so the question is in all the other states where it is legal will medical continue to cover it and most now as i understand but but um what's your

actual name other natural natural born son? You can use a name. Bill, Ben. So Ben, the... No, my name is Noah. Noah. So Noah, as I understand, at least the way it's allocated in California, it's given as a block grant. That's why they call it something different. They call it Medi-Cal here.

And then California sort of adjudicates it. So it would be up to the state i would imagine i if the federal government were very serious about this and and they wanted to involve themselves in it i think they would create risks and you know more more allocation if you didn't do it and less allocation if you did or something but i don't think they even want to be involved on that level i think they want to be out of this business that's what it looks like to me where's where's the lever though like at that point that that i think my prediction very and like it's very very so many ambiguities my friend that's the whole point that's the that doesn't make sense to me yeah i think it will still be

covered in the states where we have abortion i think that's what's going to happen. Will the coverage change? You know, one of the interesting questions is, you know, are we going to change how adolescents are able to choose their medical care? In many states, 14 and above, you can pretty much get confidential medical care. Now, there's nuances around that that it depends on the state you're in but is that going to change now too are people going to be under the thumb of their parents until they're 18 to make all their medical decisions this medical decision i don't think things are going to change in california i i think things are going to my prediction is things will same will stay absolutely the same here uh let me see i've got lots of questions coming up here i'm trying to keep up with you guys uh sorry sorry sorry okay ryan's been on hold a long time or been had his

hand up a long time ryan what's going on hello hey there what's happening hey hitler i'm a 24 year old mommy jeans and i was actually having a question about vasectomies. Okay. So since women's rights were protected here, men's rights have been free. We're still doing what we can. So I was wondering what kind of effect a vasectomy could have on young men like me. I do have some hormonal issues. It shouldn't be a problem. But there was one legislator I saw, I think in Texas, who was pushing through a piece of legislature

that would mandate vasectomies at 13 and could not be reversed until you were financially stable. And over the age of 23 or something i thought it was so funny but but the point is well made right it's going way right the point is well taken yeah the point is well taken so the real problem with vasectomies is they're not reliably reversible that's that's the big problem they are reversible maybe you could freeze your sperm though you could that's what i thought susan there you go you can there shouldn't be any effect and your sperm's better when you're 24 than when you're 30 uh but you really i i want to get uh i do got some good or 40 if you go into your

40s it gets you could have more ladies and gentlemen this is a your mom's house fan they're a special group okay okay thank you i i know all about the sperm right here they will start to use the high hitler hey hitler was part of the greeting don't touch my camera through the fence keep going try it out try it out there's a lot of there's a lot of special language here that and by the way we saw this new we come over to my house try it out try it out we we uh we saw tom and Tom and Christina on Saturday night just two nights ago. And it was Christina's birthday party, and it was really, really, really fun. So, yeah. And don't call me daddy.

Don't call me daddy. Are we supposed to tell anybody? Can't make any promises, doc. I don't think that saying we had a birthday party is a big deal. But it's after the fact. But in any event, so you'd have to ask urologists to be sure, but I'm not aware of any hormonal issues as it pertains to vasectomy causing more problems. There are, people do complain about little things from vasectomy and pain and this and that.

There's some stuff that can happen, but it's kind of unusual. It's usually a pretty simple thing. It might become really popular. You would think. You know? You would think. It might. It popular. You would think. You know? You would think. It might. So let me see here.

If you can't get her pregnant, doesn't that make men more interested if they can't get somebody pregnant? Doesn't it make them more interested? Men are, you can't sort of make men more interested, if you know what I'm saying. I don't think that's possible, but I know what you mean would they be more might they might be more dangerous they

might be more liberal with their uh it makes it more fun you know you have to worry about it yeah it's true although again men this his point is well taken that men don't worry about it that's the thing no i know and they should that i mean this might make them think a bit more about it before they invest in right a relationship right or a sort of relationship or no relationship okay i'm looking at your guys comments again just to kind of catch up with you guys that was a good call take another one okay we'll hang on hang on you know i just thought of something. Yeah. So I don't know if you, I don't know if I've told these stories before, but you know, in my childhood, those kids that you would see that are standing outside the abortion clinics with all those

horrible picket signs and their jean jackets though, that was us. That was my family. We didn't know any different. We were homeschooled kids and that's, we were put there to put the signs out. So I've've literally i've seen both sides of this whole thing i've been so deep on one side and then california i've seen all of it and the thing that i've learned is that when people claim to be pro-life but then in the same breath if they aren't pushing for sex education and access to birth control and they're hypocrites because they're only interested in restricting rights and imposing their beliefs onto other people. They're not interested in closing the dam. The fastest way to reduce abortions is sex education and increased access to birth control.

Why aren't any of them pushing for it? To me, that means they're not trying to fight abortions. Two things. I've been fighting this. I've been in this for 35 years, 40 years I've been doing this, in that fight. So I'm 100% with you on that. Number one. Number two, I used to fight the right. I used to be, I was fighting the right all the time back in the day, in terms of the morning after pill and birth control, because it was running into abortion issues. And so that might yet come up again is what I'm very frightened about. So that worries me, but you're 100% correct.

And it's the same point I'm making with a different focus is we have to prepare for what we've created here. Now, we need to, whether it's on the insurance side, on the legislative side, on the what to do on the medical side, We've got to prepare for these problems we've created. Now, as it pertains to hypocrisy, Caleb, I've got another, Ashley Jessica points out, and this is the problem with hypocrisy, lots of

hypocrisy to go around. I would encourage everybody to try to stay non-emotional like all of our great callers have been today and to try to really evaluate things. The overreach with the COVID vaccine now is being used as a reason to not overreach with the government within other medical procedures. So this is getting kind of wild on all fronts. And again, if they left it to the medical provider and the patient, a lot of this would not be happening.

And they're still trying to mandate, mandate, mandate all over the place. I mentioned I was going to talk about the vaccination of children and young children and infants. Please, I've said it repeatedly, follow Vinay Prasad. He's somebody we have interviewed on this program a couple times. He is looking at the literature on this. He's an excellent reader of medical literature, and he just doesn't see the indication for this. So I am confused why it's being aggressively pursued as it is,

why we're masking two-year-olds, why we're vaccinating two-year-olds. It doesn't make medical sense. I'm prepared to acknowledge maybe I'm missing something, but based on my reading, based on Vinay's Prasad reading, it doesn't make medical sense. The CDC has been overreaching a lot. I don't know why they would rush to this position. They don't have the data to support it.

We have three more vaccines on the way, everybody. Those of you that are worried about boostering, there's up to three, possibly three options coming our way. I don't know how they're going to clear them. But Novavax, who we've been waiting for for a long time. Covaxin, we've also been waiting for. And I don't know what the name is, but there's going to be an intranasal vaccine coming pretty soon, too. All these things will be options for, I think, options for boostering. And it's something that we should all really kind of look at.

All right, I'm looking at what you guys are doing here. Thank you for hanging out with us on the Twitter spaces. I'm really kind of moving towards wrapping up here. Let me see if there's anybody out there that I should be talking to. Give me a second. I'm sorry for these delays, but that's part of what it is to take all questions. Yeah, there's just a little delay

between when you call them up. So you just have to talk in between. Oh, and people who are accusing me of mandating or just being so pro-vaccine, no, it's much more nuanced than that. I vaccinate and booster my 75-year-olds and above. Categorically, we know what we're doing there. I use Paxlovid.

We know what we're doing. It works. We absolutely know what we are doing in that population. Once we get down below 65, we don't really know what we're doing. And so vaccine therapies, use of Paxlovid, again, has to be patient and physician making these decisions for each individual circumstance.

Whether or not you get the full vaccine series, whether you get which one and do you get boosted, those are not obvious decisions in every case. It's obvious after the age of 75. Very clear benefits. We know what we're doing there. We have the science to back that up. We don't have the science to vaccinate a 40-year-old or a 17-year-old or a 5-year-old.

I'm not saying don't vaccinate. I'm saying that's a decision that's a little more complicated and should be made with your physician. That's not saying everybody go get the vaccine. This vaccine has problems. There have been lots of side effects, but we were in essentially sort of a wartime posture where CDC particularly was willing to take,

they were hoping that there was a sustained immunity. You heard Dr. Burke say that and they were willing to take a risk with some of the side effects they were seeing. Now, we're going to now in retrospect evaluate

whether that risk was worth it. That's what still needs to be done. So we have to get a booster to go to Portugal. We do? It says you need to be up to date with your boosters, but the question is, does that mean you haven't ever had one? No, because I had COVID twice. I know, but you don't have proof of it.

Right. Well, I do. But you've never had the booster. Well, I kind of figured. I was sort of aiming towards making it. I mean, I do. But you've never had the booster. Well, I kind of figured. I was sort of aiming towards. I mean, I think that's the rule. You have to, in order to go to a foreign country, you have to have. So I've been aiming towards.

Full vaccinations. And I haven't had a booster since like December or something. Yeah. So I'm aiming. Well, you might be technically up to date. But I've been aiming towards booster in the fall i kind of think i'm thinking like a different variant and the boosters will be different correct that's possible that's also possible so we'll see i know portugal's got monkey pox so we we should probably have to

look we're gonna have to look out for that i hope you're being facetious okay good there are 800 cases 800 cases there's a thousand and there's a bunch in England now, too. There were like, was that 600 or something, or 400? Yeah. And so we need to declare an international emergency. I know, I know. As I've said repeatedly, why do we not have... Oh, my God.

Why are we not having an emergency on tuberculosis? Why are we not having a tularemia? The kind of caucus. The more common infectious diseases, murine typhus, Rocky Mountain spotted fever. Plague. Plague is almost more common.

Bubonic plague. Almost more common than monkeypox. Why are we not freaking out about that? Why not? If these things are so... Now, I don't want to seem hubristic it's possible this thing could pick up steam we do need to pay attention to it but i'm just saying it seems wild that it is picking up steam and it does need to be dealt with we do need to watch out for it

but it seems wild that we would declare some sort of international anything for a relatively mild illness that's less common than serious illnesses that are definitely on the march that we're not declaring any sort of emergency around. It's just weird. And so I don't know what's happening. I don't understand the decision making. So anybody, any event, I appreciate you all being here, being a part of the show, asking the questions. I see you all on the restream and, of course, over Rumble. I'm watching the chat there.

I'm going to scroll down, see what you guys are doing. Does it make sense? Soul Warrior, what does it make sense? What did Whisk Chris say? Oh, what'd she say? I didn't see it. What'd she say? They were talking about monkey pox, and she said to mask the monkeys.

Oh, I did see that. You did put that up there. Well, let's be clear. It does not appear to be a respiratory-borne illness. It does not appear to be a – and people are getting very confused again about droplet spread versus aerosol spread. Here's back to the masking and all this if you want to protect yourself you can with an n95 mask or in that category well fitting you can really do it you can really help yourself if that's what you want to do if you want to protect

other people there's not much you can do so it's not about protecting other people it's about protecting yourself. Now, if we want to extrapolate that to the burden on the system that we could be if we don't protect ourselves, that may be how you help other people. But you don't wear a mask to protect other people in infection anymore than when a doctor goes in a room with an infectious disease. We don't mask the patient. We mask ourselves.

That's what prevents the transmission. So, in any event, we appreciate you being here uh thank you caleb and susan uh don't forget our friends at genucells we can keep doing this thing yeah get it go to genucell.com and use the code drew for a percentage off i'm not sure how much how much caleb but anyways you got to get this stuff it's good 10 i love the eye creams i'm digging the dark circle under eye cream now and the i still like this is coming up tomorrow is that what i saw is that tomorrow yep exactly tomorrow it's fantastic oh it's great that's early it's gonna be two o'clock tomorrow too early yeah we have to go earlier because you

have a haircut yeah uh and somebody says masu kicker says, more antivirals and therapeutics. Vaccine uptake is getting smaller and smaller. Need to treat people now. I agree. I agree. Andy Oshkosvili probably said that. And there's a little resistance to Paxlovid these days. There's been some rebounding stuff. There's a bad taste

in the mouth. We've seen some funny reactions to it. It's not a completely benign medication. It does work. I'll tell you what. I've used quite a bit of it in older folk and it does work. And if somebody has severe COVID, it can prevent them from going on. It really can. But more therapeutic options are needed. Molnupiravir is not being used very seriously or very much and probably can be used even as a post-exposure kind of intervention. So there you go. So we have some exciting news in Nashville, in a, how do we say Nashville? Austin.

What's that? I'm going to do an After Dark. Oh yeah. Susan will be on After Dark maybe more than once. So yeah. So look forward to that. They gave me a break. So yeah, we're going to bring her in there.

And I promise I'll be a little nicer to her, but we got a lot of catching up to do. Yeah. Sure you will. So we'll see. Don't forget about the bobblehead baby. Oh, yeah. So bobbleheads, according to, this is Susan and Alana's big project.

So please go to dr.com slash sharp. Sharp. There you go. Sharp. And I keep saying we've got to bring Leopold and who's the other one? You had somebody else that won? Harley. Harley. Leopold and Harley won the contest one? You had somebody else that won? Harley. Leopold and Harley won the contest, so we owe them a show. Harley's a psychotherapist.

I know that, so I can't wait. Maybe we should bring them on at the same time. They can have a duel. Sure, as you please, if they're up for that. Thank you all for being on the Twitter spaces. We'll be here tomorrow at 2 o'clock with the great and only Tyrus. We'll see you then. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky.

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