Ask Dr. Drew - Royce White: Ex NBA Player, Police Brutality Protester & Mental Health Activist Runs For US Senate… But Media Calls Him A “Far-Right Populist” – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 314

Episode Date: January 24, 2024

Former NBA player Royce White is running for US Senate in Minnesota. Despite a long history of mental health activism and protests against police brutality, media like The Washington Post are trying to brand him as “a far-right populist.” The late Dr. Vladimir Zelenko endorsed White, saying “Royce has sacrificed his NBA career in order to live according to his values and serve others… Royce is a force of bright White light fighting for our constitution and its Divinely inspired moral values.” After being selected 16th overall by The Houston Rockets in the NBA draft, Royce White began to voice concerns about the NBA’s collective bargaining agreement, specifically regarding mental health policy, which at the time did not exist. His activism continued to make national headlines by bringing attention to topics like Gain of Function Research, The Federal Reserve, Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, and The Great Reset – even when it put him at odds with the media and sports community. White made his professional MMA debut in 2021 and is currently the only active professional athlete in both MMA and Basketball. Follow him at https://x.com/Highway_30 and find more about his campaign at https://roycewhite.us 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • COZY EARTH - Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets & clothing made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW for a huge discount at https://drdrew.com/cozy • PROVIA - Dreading premature hair thinning or hair loss? Provia uses a safe, natural ingredient (Procapil) to effectively target the three main causes of premature hair thinning and hair loss. Susan loves it! Get an extra discount at https://proviahair.com/drew • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

two guests today first of all royce white he is a former as an nba and college football star who is now running for senate in minnesota he's running against amy klobuchar and he's here to talk about what has informed his vision for the country and his theme which is is thoroughly embraced by probably most of us certainly, is not letting the elites divide us by telling us what to think of each other. That is a monumental theme. I would say a noble theme and one that I support wholeheartedly.

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which I love the name of that podcast. So we're going to hear more about that in a second. And as I said before the break, Royce's umbrella theme that I am very excited about is not letting elites divide us, not telling us what to think, what to think of each other. Just a very noble theme, it seems to me. Please welcome Royce White. How you doing, man?

And there you are. I'm great. Thank you for joining us, Royce. So I want you to dig into, I got a lot of stuff I want to talk to you about, but first what's on my mind, obviously, is this theme about the elites getting, you know, and the media not doing anything to challenge the elites. In fact, amplifying this division. What are your thoughts on this and what are you going to do about it as a senator? Well, I think we've been divided since World War II. And, you know, that was more political and economic with some of the restructuring that took place after World War II. And, you know, that was more political and economic with some of the restructuring that took place

after World War II, but then it carried on with the civil rights movement. And, you know, as a black man who grew up in Minnesota, come from a Democrat community, a culturally Democrat community, although I was born and raised Catholic, you know, all the wakes and weddings were at the Catholic church.

It seems that the black identity is sort of the linchpin of division, political division here in our country in a number of ways. One, the expansion of the federal government for sure is black people are kind of the theme, the scam, let's say not a theme, the scam in the black community is we have to continue to expand the federal government or we'll be the victims of white supremacy, which I reject on face value. It's not an American way to think about your citizenship, but also other things as well. So, you know, I don't mean to make it racial, but we do have to deal with the way the narrative

has been being driven. And black people are certainly the, the cornerstone or one of the lead tools of the, of the machine to keep us divided. And mostly it's to say something even more pernicious is like our founding fathers. I was thinking about this the other day with, with, you know, Martin Luther King day. And I saw some people were critical of Martin Luther King and whatnot. We can talk about that if you want to, But it just got me to thinking once again that

this pitch that we should give our citizenship up because our founding fathers owned slaves or because our founding fathers had certain racial superiority ideas or whatever the case may be. I'm not giving up my freedom of speech or my right to bear arms because of this nation's past or other people's mistakes. The ideas are too good. And I think a lot of black people

are waking up to that and other minorities are waking up to that all around the country. And I'm excited to be a part of it, especially here in Minnesota, which I call the belly of the beast because, you know, after the George Floyd thing,

situation happened, Minnesota's ground zero for all of the beast because you know after the george floyd thing uh situation happened minnesota's ground zero for all of the the identity politics yeah and certainly we would need a leader i mean you sort of fit the profile of someone that could help us navigate our way out of this it seems to me i i i just i welcome you to this to this cause only for good only for good for everybody to raise all the boats that we should all thrive as citizens of this country. I don't know. You mentioned the white supremacy thing, and I do believe, well, let me put it this way. Have you read some of the speeches of Frederick Douglass? Have you looked at his words because i really okay i really feel like his thinking his words have tremendous value in our present moment and and one of the things he spoke about that broke

through some of my own personal denial was sort of eurocentric white-centric ways of thinking and seeing the world. And his words really got me to step outside of myself and look through a new pair of glasses, essentially. Now, it wasn't a drastic different view of the world, but he required me to watch myself, to check myself, make sure I'm not seeing it just... And I would argue that that's a great way to check yourself no matter what we're talking about whether it's as a male or as a father or as an older guy or or as you know as a boomer whatever it is check yourself check check what your

perceptions are that might be colored and what somebody else's experience might be it's that simple and he really asked us to do that with his eloquence that, man, it sure broke through to me. And so I feel like those are the kinds of words we need in the present moment. Well, first off, Frederick Douglass is one of the most underutilized icons in American history for the Republican Party or the conservative movement. And to what end, I'm not quite sure. I think that the lack of use of Frederick Douglass is so negligent, it's hard to convince me it's not intentional. It's hard to convince me it's not intentional. Yeah. It's dumb. It's dumb. It's negligent and dumb, frankly. Yeah. No, please, bring it back.

Bring it right in the center. Bring him out. We need him. I mean, we need that man. Even more so, too, and I'll say this. When I think of the European-centric mindset, I don't so much think of it as a black versus white thing or a person being white.

My grandmother was a first generation immigrant from Norway. My other grandmother was a first generation immigrant from Mexico. And then obviously I have black ancestry that came by way of the slave trade and things like that. So I grew up with different perspectives anyway, and I'm fortunate in that way. But I don't even think about the Frederick Douglass piece with Eurocentric thinking about black versus white. I think about it in terms of citizenship, which I think is most important. And I think many of our elites, the elites I was referencing, we are plagued in America by a sort of remnant of this Atlanticist mentality. And we are not European. Americans are not European.

But even more importantly, white people in America are not European. And we need to make that distinction. And you see right now, even in our obsession with defeating the Russians, the war between the Russians and the Brits goes back to the early 1800s. It goes back even earlier than that. This is the great game between Russia and the British Empire. And in our interest, no matter how many people want to tell you are tied up in it, I think Donald Trump did great to say, hey, we got to evaluate what's going on with this NATO deal. And if, okay, even if these are our allies, even if there's a commonwealth, even if we are allied because of common language or heritage or cultural values or the Westphalian nation state or whatever you want to say, Europe has to kick in. They have to pay their weight. We can no longer allow the Europeans to piggyback off of the working class here in America.

And some of our elites just don't get that. I mean, they're obsessed with this Atlantis' European identity. Who are those people? Are they the sort of neocons? Is it just a cultural vestige? I worry about people's palms being greased, what I've learned about the sort of encumbrances of our government these days.

Well, well, number one, I think, I think Davos, Switzerland right now is probably the neural cortex of the beast. I call Minneapolis, the belly of the beast.

Davos is the neural cortex. They're the brain trust of the whole deal. And, you know, and Klaus, you know, you're talking about a guy who came from a Swiss engineer that helped the Nazis make bombs. And so, you know, and Klaus, you know, you're talking about a guy who came from a Swiss engineer that helped the Nazis make bombs. And so, you know, this whole history, the thing that's strange about it is the reason why I decided to run is because I'm offended that our elites think that the common American citizen is so dumb. And it's not that they think we're dumb. It's that they think that the high they've created with technology and whatever else is so good that we just won't pay attention to the details. So I

want to call people's focus to those details. And if we're going to be European, we at least have to consider the European history. And people have no clue what went on there in Europe and how we arrived at this place where we defend Europe with this sort of cultural obsession. So, you know, it's a lot of people in Europe and it's a lot of people here. The neocons for sure, but there's a lot of that Atlanticist framework still at play. You know, it's interesting as I was listening to you speak, I was reflecting on my own heritage, which is my father's family making it out just before the Holodomor in the Ukraine. And the interesting thing about their escape, first of all, then they all called themselves Russians.

I always thought I was Russian descent. It turns out I'm Ukrainian Belarusian, which is apparently a common part of that diaspora. But they all don't want to talk about Europe. They want to talk about what they're able to do here. It was a very can-do group. This is, they were so grateful. And they didn't want to be associated with Eastern Europe, but they wanted to get on with the culture

and the opportunities and the ideas that this country was founded on. They weren't looking back. In fact, they would never ever talk about it. For me, just as a side note, my heritage was obscured for most of my life because they just wouldn't talk about it. And a lot of it was traumatic,

but they just, no, moving on. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, the most interesting history, the most interesting thing is to see, and I have very deep, deep ties to the Jewish community here in to see and i have very deep deep ties to the jewish community here in minnesota and we have a prominent jewish community and um obviously there is a rise in anti-semitism especially on the right and i i see it and i'm um shocked by concerned by it and you know any number of narratives that are working in order to to

keep people divided yet again whether it's the black identity or the Jewish identity, there's a similarity between the two. But one of the stories, like I was saying, from this European history and with the Ukraine in mind is like we forget that the Ukrainians, when the Nazis marched across Ukraine into Russia, that the Ukrainians, many Ukrainians, not the Jewish Ukrainians, but the native Ukrainians joined the Nazis. They threw the swastikas on. And some of the most tragic killings of the Jewish people happened there in Ukraine during World War II. I think a million Jews maybe were killed in just the Ukraine. So these are the histories that I don't quite know how they've been forgotten, but I do know that the mainstream media does a great job not to talk about them, and that's scary. So tell me a little bit about your experience in the NBA. And the Call Me Crazy podcast fascinates me, and I'm guessing you had some symptomatology and I read briefly that

anxiety was a feature. And I will just share with you as a way of opening the doors. I have generalized anxiety disorder. I had severe anxiety with panic and a pretty good depression, I would say, when I was like 19, 20, 21. So I'm very familiar with the experience of anxiety. And my flavor is sort of in the OCD zone of anxiety. There's different kinds of anxiety. There's some that overlaps with OCD. And the OCD stuff's never bothered me. I've actually been able to use it as an asset, but that's definitely me. So welcome, sir. Join the club. Well, the anxiety, first off, when I came into the NBA in 2012, 2013, there wasn't a single mention of mental health in our entire collective bargaining agreement. So my fight with the NBA was about policy.

And you could say that I've been involved in politics and policy aspect of politics since being drafted in the NBA. And to me, it was, well, how do we have a banned substance list? And that's really the only acknowledgement of the human mind as an integral part of the overall health, comprehensive health or the human condition. And it wasn't by accident. And that was my problem with the entire thing. I looked at a banned substance list that had benzodiazepines, which are very addictive. Obviously, I was prescribed them for flying. I had anxiety, panic around flying. And now we see they're going to try and make a woke push to change the workforce of the FAA, which maybe my flight anxiety was premonition.

But yeah, I looked at the banned substance list and I thought to myself, well, all of this is reactive. None of it's proactive. And especially in a corporation like the NBA that has all of the tools to be proactive, especially when their players' mental health would actually benefit the product and it would actually benefit them monetarily that I advocated for. Some of them I even wrote myself, but I continued to be kind of exiled from any opportunity to play in the NBA because of that fight. And the mainstream media shield for the NBA, they covered for them. Oh, the mainstream media, CNN, CBS, USA Today, the New York Times, you name them, they just covered for the NBA. They painted the story of, here's a guy who's a prima donna. He's asking for too much special treatment.

And for that reason, it only makes sense that none of these NBA owners will take on the challenge or the hassle of accommodating him. And all I was saying is, can we get some acknowledgement that mental health is a relative aspect of overall health in our document, in our bargaining agreement? You know what's odd to me is I smell the work of agents afoot here. Because about 20, let me think when this was. In the 90s. How long ago is this? 25 years ago. Yeah, 25 years ago.

I did work with the NBA. I was doing some addiction treatment and they were referring people to my program and things. And at that point, they had a centralized system of mental health out of Atlanta with a very fine psychiatrist and his wife at the head. And I was blown away by the quality of what they were doing then.

Is that just all dismantled and gone? Well, I'm not sure about the program. That was well before my time. But all I know is when I got there, there was a sort of deer in the headlights attitude about mental health in general. Nobody, it got so crazy. I'll give you an example. It's different.

I asked to be able to. It wasn't like that. It wasn't like that. I asked to be able to mitigate the amount of benzodiazepines I would take over the course of a year. I asked to be able to drive whenever possible, whenever the schedule permitted me to. For example, if we were going from Chicago to Milwaukee, just let me take the four-hour drive.

You know, it's no problem. I have no problem taking the long way to benefit my health and whatnot. But something I heard back from the NBA office was the team covering the cost of your travel could be considered a salary cap infringement come free agency. And, you know, so it was more of a policy slash agent slash contract slash fight between the union and the league or, you know, some, you know, and I was just like, guys, this is the problem in America. And people may look at it and go, well, what do we care about the NBA? The NBA is, you know, the entertainment league, it's guys playing basketball. No, the NBA are your lobbyists.

The NBA are the titans of industry that set the corporate culture in this country. And that corporate culture is overly litigious. It's, concerned with profit. And so these are the Pfizer's and they all work together. It's one corporate watering hole. And I got a firsthand look at it. I was fortunate to get a firsthand look at it at a young age, which can now help me in my political work. Yeah, that's awful. I'm sorry that happened. And yes, I think your anxiety was your body telling you something about the future.

Now you'll be taking a train to Washington from Minnesota, from Minneapolis to do your job. But let's bring back the old Teddy Roosevelt, you know, train rides. Well, if you speak it out of the back of the train, it'd be so funny. Yeah, that's a shame to hear that. More than I want to get into, but I had a run

in with the baseball players union and agents around that same time and was shocked at how you couldn't even mention mental health or substance abuse without the unions and the agents going berserk and people were hurt because that harmed severely so i i smell the same thing afoot here right the

other thing you mentioned the the cozy relationship between corporate world and regulators and government and media that is the definition of and and I don't mean to say this to be provocative. It just happens to be the definition of fascism, which is a corporate government union. That's what that is. It tends towards totalitarianism, which is another element in it. But the fascism itself is government corporate union. Speak to that.

Corporatocracy. Yeah, absolutely. I was saying it then. I was saying, look, everybody's going, well, I just like to go to the games and get away from, detach from all of my problems. And I have a team, I'm a fan. You know, I drink the beer and it's all a good time. And I was, look, I grew up in the 90s in the Bulls era. I mean, Michael Jordan is an icon. He was the greatest thing

to ever watch coming up as a kid born in 91, obviously. Right. And so, you know, I love the game of basketball dearly, but we can't overlook the political and social implications. And the implication is, here we have all of these corporations that have obscene amounts of influence on the everyday

lives of the working class. These are your political, scientific, managerial elite. And they're going to give orders down from on high. And my whole thing is, if you're going to give orders from on high, they better be righteous. They better be on the up and up and they better at least be detailed. And what I found is there's a radical incompetence and an arrogance in the incompetence where there isn't malice. And I'm not saying that there's not malice, that they're all doing it by mistake because that's not true. But I just found that there's a level of arrogance in some of these people, like, of course we know what we're doing. We went to Northwestern or we went to wherever, and I went to Wofford or wherever it

is. And it's just like, you should believe me because I'm educated. And I'm like, okay, well, tell me why there's not one mention of mental health in an entire collective bargaining agreement. Do you deny this area of science? Are you saying that mental health is not a legitimate area of scientific research? Well, how is that possible? Because all of your work and partnership

with social media and big tech suggests that you know exactly how the human psychology works. And you plan to exploit it. You know, it's interesting. I'm having echoes. I'm having memories now of speaking to the psychiatrist who was the head of the NBA's program at the time. Great guy. And he was saying, hey, he goes, look, he goes,

we are taking these kids sometimes out of high school, definitely out of college, and we're turning them overnight into millionaires. And we are not preparing them in any way for any of this. And what do you think is going to happen? And they have needs. We should be proactive. We should be getting trauma therapies. We should be financial education i just he had lots of ideas and i thought wow mba is doing a great job and uh that was in mid 90s you know you were four years old i guess it's all been dismantled since then or at least interfered with by as you're saying fear of of uh legal action and that kind of stuff and the unions and all that business. Go ahead. Yeah, no, I mean, look, and it's not just the NBA.

I mean, my story comes from the NBA, so I'm using the NBA as an example. But it's America's corporate culture writ large. And in many ways, it's become America's political culture. And that's the real canary in the coal mine. It's not about my career. It's not about the NBA players who make millions of dollars to play a game. That's just an example. The real problem is they are no different in the way they treat the American working class or the working poor as with the deplorables, as Hillary Clinton would say. But this has become the modus operandi of our political elites. And they'll use division

to keep you off the scent so that you don't understand and identify exactly what they're doing. That's really interesting. So here's what I want to do. I want to take a little break. And then I want you to come back and talk about a little more specifics. I mean, what do you want to do about this? Give us your pitch to get people to vote for you, however you present that. Your dignity and your smarts speak for themselves, but let's get into the weeds a little bit about what you're going to do. All right? Right. Right. All right. Royce White, everybody. Follow him at rice what that us i believe and

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Well, I use a lot of profanity. I'll tell you that. And I forward some crazy ideas, you could say. No, I mean, as somebody who's been called crazy by the mainstream media, and I was called crazy before that, you could say, because I dealt with anxiety disorder and people are often considered loony if they have any mental health condition whatsoever. So it was just tongue in cheek. But I came from playing in the big three before I started the podcast. And I talked about gain of function. I talked about, you know, JFK's assassination and all of these things that are considered conspiracy theory. Now we're seeing some of them turn out to be more true than we would have ever hoped. So,

you know, that's just the plight of people who tell the truth these days to be called crazy for a period of time until the truth surfaces. We embrace it in my podcast. Yeah, keep a list of all the things that you've talked about that turned out to be true. I mean, I wish I had. There's been more things than I can think of in a single sitting. It's become kind of uncanny.

I've started reading books on propaganda and how to resist persuasion and how people use persuasion and how people use persuasion. Not something I really wanted to spend my time doing, but that's the world we live in now. Yeah, no doubt. Absolutely. And from a political standpoint in the Senate campaign, I'm an America first through and through. I mean, I really think that there's something sane and logical and rational about the America first policy approach. Not that we want to be isolationists, but we better get a lot of things in order. And so there are three crisis elements I think we have to address first. Number one,

the national debt. We don't want to be surfed to some international banking cartel or the Federal Reserve or the guys on Wall Street or whatever deal they have brewing between each other. We don't want to be subject to the World Bank or whoever these posh financial elites are. We don't want to be surfed. So the national debt is something we have to deal with. The border obviously is a no-brainer. We don't want to let illegal immigrants or any humanitarian crisis, as Rachel Maddow and Joanne Reed would call it, let globalists flood our nation with labor. I mean, that's just, first of all,

black and brown people all across the country should be offended by it on face value. But all of us, all of the working class should be offended by it on face value. But all of us, all of the working class should be offended by it, not to mention the dangers of the fact that now it's not Central Americans. You have Syrian and Egyptian, all these other people from all across the world flooded in through our border, and who knows what problems that'll lead to. So we got to deal with the debt, the border, and last but not least, the forever wars. Look, we don't want to defend the empire. We're not European. And even furthermore't want to defend the empire. We're not European.

And even furthermore, we're not an empire. We're a republic. We're a nation. We're a country. We don't need to be an empire. And so we can't keep getting ourselves caught up in these forever wars. There's a lot of other things to deal with. I mean, I think deconstructing the administrative state is a good one,

a serious one we need to get done. And there are a lot of other things that we should be looking to do as well. Cleaning up our elections, of course. Just in 2016, it was okay to say the elections had tampering. In 2020, all of a sudden, it's not okay to say anymore. So there's a lot of things to do. But those three issues, I think, help identify real America First candidates, the debt, the border, and the forever wars. And what do you tell people who you mentioned at the beginning of our conversation, who believe that the answers are in the federal government, from the federal government,

and from the expansion of the federal government? How do you get them onto your boat? Well, I take them back to May of 2020, when George Floyd was killed out here in Minneapolis. I helped lead these protests, most of which I led to the Federal Reserve because I tried to tell people in the community that economic imperialism and economic tyranny is the real enemy. Follow the money, something that we all used to be on board with, that the money was kind of leaned towards corruption. And the number one chant I heard out on the streets when George Floyd was killed was, the whole system is guilty, right? The whole system is guilty.

Kind of a total indictment of our system here in America. And in many ways, that's true. There's a lot of corruption. It's widespread. I would agree that there's a certain truth to saying that the whole system has corruption, has a rock to it. Well, if you believe that, if you believe the whole system is guilty, you can't justify expanding the system. Those two things don't work together. You can't say that the federal government is inherently racist or white supremacist or fascist or whatever you want to say. And then turn around and say, let's expand the federal government into infinity. And these are just basic things I think people in the inner cities are starting to understand slowly but surely. And that this swell of the federal government, this outgrowth of a grandiose federal government is going to undermine the value of their citizenship.

They get it. They're starting to understand. It doesn't seem to, I mean, if history is a teacher, what have they derived from this federal government? I don't understand where the enthusiasm comes from. $10 loaves of bread, sending $180 billion to the Ukraine. I don't know what they think they get from it. I guess welfare. I think they believe,

here's what I think people really believe. And this is a good pitch from our globalist elite. I think people really believe that once the technology reaches a certain level, then they'll be able to fulfill all the promises that they've made. I think that's part of the sales pitch. And I'm just here to tell people, once they reach a level with the technology that they claim they can, it's not going to be friendly. What would make you think that the guilty, corrupt, tyrannical system that you criticize in the streets is going to be friendly the more advanced the technology gets? Universal basic income, for example. All of us in the black community remember, or at least black men remember, and we testify how at a certain era in this country's history, they made welfare and the breakup of the nuclear family

contingent upon one another. And so when you go to universal basic income, what other rights do you think they're going to make contingent upon your submission to whatever they say you need to do? They're going to tell you, hey, you're on the teat. If you don't do what we say, you're not going to get your monthly stipend. I mean, that's not a way you want to live. No, and it's, of course, keeps them incumbent or sort of dependent in such a way that they can continue to extract votes and support politically and all that nonsense. And I'm glad you are going out publicly

and talking about the breakup of the nuclear family because that is just in evidence. That is just the fact of what they did. And talk about corrupt system and failing people. I mean, that's example number one. And I'm certain there are plenty of others. I worry that people then go, well, it dismantled the whole thing.

That never goes well ever. You do not need to be a deep student of history to know that when you destroy everything, it takes hundreds of years if it is ever going to repair itself. And remind ourselves that even in this country, the reason there was a revolution, there were already existing British institutions at every level, local practice of democracy. This was a very evolved society that just shifted its sort of locus of control, essentially, and formed a more formal union amongst the states. It's not a complete destruction of everything in the society by any stretch. That has never gone well. No, we don't need a complete deconstruction or destruction of our entire system. We just need people who are genuine and honest and real leaders to step up and have some sacred honor.

Be honest. That's really what we need. We don't need to throw out the entire system we just need people not to lie ad nauseum in positions of power yeah yeah and you're you're using a and and you're actually a living example of a lot of things that we need dignity brave these these sorts of basic virtues that really we've sort of lost track of. And I thank you for sort of holding them up to follow and also for examination. It's time for us to be virtuous, to follow virtuous intent, to get together. There's just no reason to be so separate. I'm guessing somebody gets something out of it because they certainly keep driving the wedges wherever they can. Royce, anything else you'd like to tell people about your campaign before we wrap up? Yeah, you can go to roycewhite.us and you can also follow the podcast. The podcast website is freepeopleradio.com. You can find out more

about where to watch and listen. Uh, and, and to sum up my, my point about division is that, you know, the scheme is pit black versus white make off with the green. That's kind of the blueprint. So I hope we can, uh, we can continue to wake people up. I think things are going in the right direction in the country. I'm excited and I'm happy to be a part of it. Happy to serve the people. Royce, whatever we can do to help you, please let me know, okay? Thank you, brother. Godspeed. Royce White. Thank you much, sir. Royce White, if you guys are in Minnesota, there's your candidate. Check it out. I am watching you all on... Somebody's saying that we should check Viva Frye's interview out today. Interesting. There's a lot of stuff flying around. I feel like some of the, I don't know if

you've all noticed this, but I felt like social media today was particularly on fire for some reason. I'm not sure what's happening. I worry that because people are starting to wake up and speech is starting to be spoken and we're starting to see people do things like speak truth to power, which is the media primarily, that they're starting to really fight back. And that is kind of lighting things up, I think, on various social media platforms. But let me, Caleb, is Paul Alexander here yet? If not, I'm going to get

on some of the platforms. Okay, he'll be there in a second. Okay. A lot of, again, let me sort of set up what we're going to talk about with Paul Alexander, which is some of these subtleties on the use of vaccines and medication. IED, which I loved what Jay Hepp, this is on the Rumble Rants, asked him if it stood for. Pretty funny, my friends. Look, Paxlovid, Moldupiravir, Peter McCullough has those in his treatment protocols, okay? He uses these medication. I use these medication. We are physicians. We must try to use the best therapeutic with the least risk given the circumstance for a given a patient in front of us. And we will use whatever we have to use to do the best we can for our patients. We are entitled to use off-label medication whenever we wish. We are entitled to do whatever it is we think is in the best interest of the patient.

And again, Peter McCullough, who we spoke to yesterday, was very clear that he used monoclonal antibodies, he used injectable monoclonals, he used Paxlovid, he uses Molnupiravir. That's what we do. We use what we have available that is best for a given case, given the risk. Now, I certainly wouldn't use some of these pharmaceutical agents on a 20-year-old male with moderate COVID. I wouldn't do that, nor would I recommend he get boosted. Now, an 85-year-old with a list of medical problems, IED, that you've never even heard of, I might be encouraging them to do everything we possibly can to protect them. Not only because I understand

there's risk, but if there is some benefit, it becomes worth that risk. For instance, I use the RSV vaccine. How come you guys haven't been freaking out about the RSV vaccine? Do you even know what these things are? Of course you don't. So you are no business to me any more than centralized authority in medicine is making decisions for what doctors and patients do together. You know, it's interesting when I, if you remember all the way back to when Joe Rogan talked about what he and his physician did, where he took a monoclonal antibody, he took ivermectin, he took, what is it called? The antioxidant, NAD. He took NAD, two infusions of NAD, IV. Of all the things that he received, the only weird thing was the NAD infusion. And yet because people, the press, don't know enough to know that that was the outlying

elements in his treatment, it was not even brought up. There just was the I word in there, so they had to go crazy about that. And of course, as we pointed out repeatedly, that's a harmless medication that the CDC itself requires people to take for five days if they are immigrating from many different countries seeking asylum here. It's an inert medication. I've never seen any real side effects. I've seen a little GI, something, something. But it's been using it for years and years and years. Not on horses.

I've been using it on humans. So, Caleb, just let me know when paul comes in you can throw that up on the screen okay uh yes he's logging in setting him up here right now i'm getting him in uh let me see what you guys see uh you guys aren't commenting now oh here we are let me get you guys' comments on the Rumble rant. NAC is different. It's NAD, and it's an intravenous. You can get nicotinamide riboside, which is a congener, an oral congener of NAD, that I think is actually a good product.

I've been taking it for many, many years to sort of, you know, there's a lot of emphasis right now on mitochondrial health and the oxidative state of our mitochondria and of our cells generally and when people talk about inflammation that is a big piece of what they're talking about and so from a biological standpoint from a chemistry standpoint i i am looking carefully at things um like nad and and r in terms of trying to improve that it would reduce aging theoretically all right uh over to the rumble i'm sorry over to the restream uh yeah i'm a horse doctor thank you tom cigars uh wasn't mandated yeah the thing i would take issue with if you guys want to take

issue with some let's take issue with mandatesates to me were absolutely unconscionable. It's why Aaron Cariotti brought up and just raised his hand and said, you do not have the bioethical justification to mandate people going to as a decorated professor of psychiatry and as the head of their bioethics department. Please welcome Dr. Paul Alexander. Paul, just sort of setting up our conversation, as you mentioned before you got here. This is going to be a big interview, so I will kind of let you pick up the baton here and talk about uh where shall we start where would you like to start oh we don't have we don't have your sound uh you're muted again we this was whatever that problem was we had a few minutes there you are. Perfect. Okay. So look, are we being taped? Yeah, we're live and we're being taped. Both.

Both. Tape and live. Yeah. Here's the bottom line. The bottom line is after our last interview, globally, I mean, I've got responses from so many different quarters across the world. A lot of technical people, laypersons, everyone loved it. They follow you and they just found the interviews very balanced and just well delivered. But there are

some folk out there in media who have raised some questions and they began to bang away and raise some questions on TWC. And a statement that you had made, something to do with, they wanted us to clarify amnesty and the vaccine. So that's why I said, you know, let's have the opportunity because good people's names are being bandied around. I don't like that. Let's have the opportunity for Dr. Drew to say what he has to say and just lay it out there.

So I wanted to just say, look, I'm Paul. Well, everyone knows me and everyone knows you. We don't have to go to backgrounds again. I'm an evidence-based medicine specialist, scientist. You are Dr. Drew, clinician,

et cetera, medical doctor, scientist. Just straight to the point, TWC, issues around amnesty and the vaccines. I just want to ask it to you in a way that you could have the chance to explain it the way I understand it, but for those who don't understand your position, I want you to be out there because I think people need to be judged on the arc of their life, their full life, their full pedigree, everything they've done. You can't just dislike someone. You could if you want, but you're just being insane in the sense that I don't like this person. I don't like anyone they speak to or they're connected to because they said this in the past, but you don't even understand the whole statement. So let's just clear it up.

All right. Let me clear my position up. I'm glad you're here. Glad you're bringing this up. And by the way, it's, this is what, what pisses, what pisses me off is it's never what you say. It's always what somebody says you said. Always. Whatever goes viral, whatever the trolls chew on, it's always eaten. I mean, all you need to do is come back and go, would you clarify what was it you said? I don't want to get this wrong.

No, they effing get it wrong. And then they spin on whatever interpretation of what somebody says is rather than the fact of what somebody says. So do you want to interview me or you just want me to go and talk about my position on Amnesty First? Yeah, let's do it that way so we can be very tight. I know time is a premium here. So let me just say this. My position, so everyone understands, finally, I provide technical scientific support to the wellness company TWC.Health. I know the owner, Foster

Coulson. I think the wellness company is doing a good job. Everything I know thus far, it's a good company for me above board. Foster is a good man. He's helped a lot of scientists, a lot of doctors who were canceled by the traditional system for standing up and speaking up. And a lot of people out there in their mommy's basements, they just have the luxury of doing that. They don't understand that people like me, et cetera, McCullough, at some points you lose everything. You lose. I lost my academic appointment. I lost two jobs just because I stood up against lockdowns four years ago, against the vaccines.

So they just don't know. So, yes, I do support TWC. I support many entities and I often work for free. What people don't understand is when they see me, when they see other scientists appear on a stage somewhere, that people are flying you there. Often I drive, often I fly and I pay my own funds and often you get nothing. I've been places where people said, oh, Dr. Alexander, we need you here.

I arrived, there are 10,000 people there, paid. And then at the end, the host tells me, well, you know, we didn't really bargain. We fell short. I know it's a lie and I have to go away and I have to eat the cost. But my battle has been to help save lives if I can, share information, inform and educate. And that's what the fight I'm in. I'm still in the fight and I'll remain in the fight. I support TWC. If I know anything about TWC that's untoward, I would not be with them. For me to be with them, I stand with a good organization. Thank you. So Dr. Ju, what's your position on TWC? Oh, I have the exact same position. And I would even add to that,

that it's because of people like you that I'm that much more comfortable being a part of it. I am paid by them. I do support them medically. I do advise them scientifically. And it's just been nothing but a great experience in terms of getting to empower patients. We have a lot of things planned and they're extremely creative and extremely good at executing. So patients can spend less money. They can have less hassle that they can have access to care that they should easily get. We have an antiquated system that is encumbered and expensive and people are, it reminds me, Paul, I've said this before, of when back, the reason I started on radio back in the day, 1983, is because we had this thing we were fighting. It was called grids and we were just starting to call it AIDS. And I had an opportunity

to go on a radio show and there was nobody talking to young people, I realized, about not just AIDS, but about sexual health and STDs at all. We call them STIs. And it was considered bizarre to talk to adolescents and young adults about that in 1983 because we'd just been through the 70s, which was a sexual revolution. And the adults that brought that revolution never contemplated what to do or what adolescents might do and what they should do about what adolescents might do. I was 24 years old. I had just been an adolescent. I knew well what they were up to, and they needed information, and they needed it straight. Now, that was bizarre. I have the same feeling now about access to certain medications and certain, well, the

emergency kit is a great example. There's things that you should have on hand that you should learn how to use, that you should have backup of medical system, but shouldn't have to go to an urgent care or an ER where you are literally paying for everything you see there. Every inch of those rooms, every piece of equipment, every staff member, you pay for that when you walk in those doors for no reason. We have to get people to be smarter and more efficient with their healthcare and put the control back in their hands. Excellent. And that is TWC.health. All of those bots out there, those down in their mommy's basements who want to just bang away and say, oh, you're supporting an organization. I'll say it again, TWC.health. Take a look at it. Take

some time. Now, Dr. Drew, I want to say this. I worked for the Trump administration. I had to sign confidentiality agreements. I'd be in prison. I was informed. If I discuss anything that I'd be in prison. I was informed if I discuss anything that I saw there, anything that went on there that a president needs executive privilege. That's what people don't understand. So I can only say certain things and, um, put it this way. I still support Trump. Trump is not a perfect guy. Trump made a lot of mistakes under him, but when I look at the cast of

characters today on deck, to me, you can have your own. You don't need to comment on this. You can have your own philosophy and decision. He's the best choice that we have right now to do what needs to be done. I want to put that on the table, and that's my decision. Now, amnesty.

A big problem emerged some months ago when Dr. Emily Oster wrote a piece, I think it was in the Atlantic, saying that, you know what, we should just try and forgive people who made mistakes and move on. Now, back then, and still today, so I want to give you my position and I want you to have the opportunity to say yours. And I'll say it this way. I love want to give you my position and I want you to have the opinion. Say yours. And I'll say it this way. Yeah. I love everyone to have their own position. I'm not going to change how I feel about you after.

That's your opinion. My position on Amnesty is this. I feel that the kind of scholarship and science that I, Atlas, Rish, Oski, Tenenenbaum Ladapo, we were working together we were printing and publishing we spoke for four years every day in interviews and we gave CDC, PAN and

FDA every piece of information about lockdown, books Fauci, I was fighting them from inside of the government yet they still locked us down they hardened the lockdowns and people died. Children died because of the school closures. Business owners died because of the business closures.

So I have been clear. I want no amnesty. I could forgive somebody so I could let it go. So it doesn't eat me up because it's eat me up that people did such wrong. The science was bulletproof two weeks out that lockdowns were hurting people. So it doesn't eat me up because it's eaten me up that people did such wrong. The science was bulletproof two weeks out that lockdowns were hurting people, hurting people, yet they continued. So I still have my position. What is your position on amnesty?

My position is that I thoroughly support and understand your position, and I understand why you would say what you do what i what i said when we discussed this last time was i fear that if we take too an aggressive a measure too aggressive a position towards some sort of punitive intervention for these grotesque mistakes that we will never get to the truth. That then all these perpetrators will sink into their foxholes and their legal teams, and God only knows what escape measures will be sort of attempted, and years and years and years will go into a legal battle rather than a shorter period of time dedicated to figuring out what happened for real, like really getting to the bottom of this where we all agree what happened here, what did we do wrong, and what do we have to do to be sure it doesn't happen again? So my position is purely pragmatic. So I am putting pragmatism ahead of your moral argument, which you could argue is not okay. I'm perfectly open to that idea. My argument is purely

pragmatic, purely. My priority is getting to the bottom. We need to find out what happens. Now, I would like these people ridiculed and held fully accountable in the court of public opinion, for sure, and hopefully lose jobs and other things like don't happen to the rest of us who dare to speak up and speak the truth. I hope that all happens. But in terms of taking like a Nuremberg 2.0 and all this, we're going to lose our opportunity to figure up. We may, I'm not saying necessarily, we may lose our opportunity to figure out what happened. And that from a priority, pragmatic standpoint,

I can't sit with that. So that's me. Okay. So,'s me. Okay. So, you know, just to finish on this point, because we're going to end on vaccines. Look, Atlas, Scott, I knew him. I worked there at the administration. He was in Eisenhower.

I was in HHS. Jay Bhattacharya, I know him well too. Good man. Martin Kulldorff, excellent man, parent. I know these people personally. Personally. Martin Kulldorff, excellent man, parent. I know these people personally. Personally, I've been to Dr. Woltz's home with them for retreats, really hard study trying to figure out things that went wrong. I don't want to get into too much personal issue, but I'm just saying this.

They testified recently, and I watched Scott. I watched Jay. I watched Kulldorff. More Scott on Jay. They were know, let's not point fingers. Let's just, maybe we should just move on. And that was the message. Immediately, I responded with my own blog. And people who turned to me and said, Paul, what kind of craziness is this?

And that's where I reiterated my point. And people said, well, listen, we need you to get dr drew to articulate his position what i like about you just said which i didn't hear before is the fact that you are saying look let's move on yet you also leave the door there to say that if people could have be held accountable too so you trying to tread a needle but i am not i just were clear i am not saying let's just move on and kumbaya at all i don't want that i do not why there's no way so to be clear i am angry i want i want young people to be angry at what they did to them they need to never forget this people need to be properly uh you know again i don't want to be too dramatic with this because I want to be able to get to the bottom of it.

That's the bottom line here. But I do not just move along, forget about it, look the other way. That is not my opinion. That is not my opinion. Good. So now to vaccines. So listen, I wrote this big piece for Brownstone about two years ago, just after the vaccines came out, because we were seeing a lot of negative efficacy. We were seeing that the immunity was waning rapidly and we actually began to see harms accumulating rapidly.

So persons like myself stood up and said, hold on. Put a stop to these vaccines in total. Across the board, you go back to the lab and study it. In fact, my view, my view from day one, Dr. Drew, is this. Is this. I have been in the camp that said, do nothing. I said, let us do nothing in this society. No lockdowns, no school closures, no business closures, nothing. Not even mask mandates.

Properly protect the vulnerable in our society. You know who Granny is. 8085 would underline medical conditions. Deal with Granny. Make reasonable, sensible precautions. But leave the rest of society alone. Don't touch them. The society will front face pathogen, as we always do. We will become exposed naturally and harmlessly, and we will develop natural immunity. We will recover, and we will move towards herd immunity. That is how we deal with pathogen epidemics, pandemics, if there are these pandemics now. So my position has been bulletproof.

I didn't want them, and I have to be honest and tell you that I had discussions in the Trump administration with high-level officials who was just met in Operation Warp Speed. And I said, my position is none. No vaccines. And then I was saying, you know what? If you could make the case

that at that point we didn't even know what was going on. I said, look, if you could make the case that very sick elderly we didn't even know what was going on he said look if you could make the case that very sick elderly people very sick elderly people highest risk persons let them be properly informed proper informed consent where the benefits versus the harms let them decide do not mandate never offer it never mandate just offer it that was it and then i even changed rapidly and said no vaccine across the board we ran into a firestorm the other day and i wanted you and we're gonna end now because this is all i wanted to talk about where some people

started to write and talk in the media well dr drew was against was four vaccines then he was against then we think dr drew said that he might give elderly people if they ask let me ask you something dr drew because this is a very important point and i want to be very straightforward i'm asking it i come from the school of evidence-based medicine, which I think killed itself in COVID. EBM right now is dead, but I'm a purist EBM practitioner. And part of my area of expertise is in an area,

a very niche area called values and preferences. And we actually are studying patient values and preferences. And we got to the point where clinicians must take the patient, must take the patient views and values into account in their clinical encounter with them. Not just extra teacher and say, my decision is you must do this. And the patient has no say.

Oh, yeah. Because if a patient, right. For sure. So when you said what you said, Dr. dr drew were you from the point of view that if my elderly patient and i don't want to put words in your mouth but it's how i understood it but it seemed there was a little firestorm but did you mean that if your elderly patient came to you and you sat them down you went through a benefits versus harms assessment and you laid it out to them and they were informed properly consented

and then they say you know dr drew you just told me this vaccine to give me myocarditis possibly pericarditis paralysis guillain-barre i might have dissecting aneurysms all sorts of crap yet i'm 85 i want this damn vaccine i don't care what you say. Is that what you meant? Yeah. Yes, that is what I meant. But let me tell you exactly what I did. So there's absolutely no contraindication. We had this latest booster is the clearest example of what you're talking about for me because things were so clear.

I sat patients down and I said, I just recently as yesterday, I had this conversation with a patient. I said, well, look, this vaccine was designed for a variant that we are at least four variants downstream from, maybe more. By the way, let me tell you, I specifically had it with a patient yesterday who just had COVID and he wanted to take the vaccine. And I said, look, you have a much more robust reaction from the COVID you just had than anything a vaccine is going to do. But I could boost it with the vaccine. I don't think so.

There's no actual evidence of that that has ever been documented. That somebody three months post COVID who takes a booster is somehow protected more from severe illness than just the natural immunity itself. No, you're fine as you are. You don't need this booster. And this booster is from a variant, at least four variants ago, maybe more. And the words I use when I tell the patients this, I'll say to them, I don't know what we're doing. I don't know what this is anymore. I don't know how to... This is the landscape. And there are, as you mentioned, there's potential side effects. We're very worried about these things. And we may yet discover there's worse things ahead.

But I can't even begin to tell you why I would boost because there's no evidence for me to do so. So I don't know what we're doing. Now, that kind of conversation I've had many, many, many, many times, I would say two patients went ahead and got the booster anyway. And I'm not really clear why they did, except they would say things like, I've not had COVID so far. I feel like the vaccine protected me, and I had zero reaction to the vaccine. So thank you, Dr. Pinsky, but I'm going to go get the vaccine. What am I going to do? Am I going to drive them off the road to make sure they don't go to the pharmacy and get the vaccine? This is their prerogative. Most of the people that were taking issue with us

are interested in medical freedom. That's part of medical freedom is giving the patients what they need to make a proper decision. The nuance in my world, Paul, and I know you probably study this, is to make sure, A, that I've done it properly, that I really did it accurately and properly.

But B, and the more difficult thing, is to make sure the patient heard and understood everything I was telling them and could process it. So I will spend time doing that and also give them opportunity to respond if there's any questions, anything like that. And to come back with more questions, email me, here's my email address, if you're still contemplating this. That's how I approach this. And the idea that, think about how screwed up it is that a mandate gets in the middle of all of that, so none of that happens. Think about that. None of that happens if there's a mandate. It's the opposite of the practice of medicine. It's the opposite of the evidence basis that you stand for. Well, Dr. Drew, the thing is, there was no basis, medical, scientific,

any basis for a vaccine mandate because we know very quickly, we knew that this vaccine was non-sterilizing. It moved from having neutralizing antibodies and it did not stop infection or transmission. If a vaccine does not stop transmission, does not cut the chain of transmission, it's moot, it's dead.

You cannot mandate that. That was wrong. Right. That was wrong. I agree. The mandates were wrong. I agree the mandates were wrong. I agree.

And, you know, by the way, just before... Go ahead. Finish your thought, Paul. I was trying to explain some people on Twitter, Twitter back, back, back, sub stack and stuff and say, look, what happens if a parent,

and this is a conundrum that a clinician like yourself is in, parent comes in to see you, their child is gravely ill, has some advanced cardiovascular renal failure. You counsel them and say, you know what, this vaccine looks like it has problems for men, young men. And they say this child was 14. Young men between 14 to 24, massive increase in myocarditis risk.

I don't think this is for you. Parents say, listen, my child is sick, kind of mortally and is potentially dying. I want to try anything. I want to give them the shot. I don't care what you say. Yeah, I understand what you just told me about all those risks. I want to place value on

accepting that excess risk for the modest even benefit that it provides. What would Dr. Ju do? Say, look, I am still not going to give you the shot. What about the patient? The patient is going to just get up, walk out of your office, and go to another

doctor and give you the shot. So you're. The patient's going to just get up, walk out your office, and go to another doctor who's going to give him a shot. So you're in a really difficult situation. Well, and by the way, there are backups in a hospital setting. There are ethics committees, right? So you can put it before a committee and go, hey, I have an ethical dilemma.

What do we do here? And that's where my head goes immediately in a situation like that. We've got a problem here. I need backup. And I'd certainly get consultation and consensus. And this is how it's done. But we aren't allowed to do it when there's a mandate. I was going to tell you that just before COVID broke out, I interviewed a guy named Larry Brilliant. And Dr. Brilliant was the world's expert on smallpox. And he's, I think it was, I'm pretty sure it was before COVID, but he said to me, he goes, look, you don't need lockdowns during a massive exposure of a serious pathogen. People naturally pull away from each other. They naturally do what's reasonable for protecting

themselves. You don't have to shut the world down. People accommodate these situations quite readily if you give them the proper information. And really, this conversation you and I are having, really think about what's at the core of this. You said if people knew the vaccine wasn't as effective as they suspected and didn't prevent transmission and stuff. Yeah, if people knew, it took them, think how long it took them to get that information out, even when they knew. That is, again, that's where the moral issue

starts to come into focus again. Yeah. Well, you know, Dr. Drew, I wanted a chance to speak to you because, I mean, the fact of the matter is that these COVID vaccines have really presented a challenge now. And I think the public will not. I think one thing here that we've really discussed is the issue of informed consent. Really and truly, informed consent was not given to people across the world throughout this vaccine.

Correct. Because had you, yeah, and the fact is, had you given people the information, the proper benefits versus harms

in a proper informed consent discussion, many people would have probably not taken it. That's the issue. So I think that was a glaring,

John, you know, john campbell you know the the nurse in the uk who has been doing these very useful videos he said that he goes he just had known about the dna contamination he wouldn't have taken the vaccine just that for him was the thing in piece of information that would if he had somebody provided it to him he would have chosen otherwise but they but they're you know the the now we're getting into the court case, right? How do we, who knew what when? And I didn't know. Oh, God.

I just want us to get to the bottom of this and not do this ever again. We need to really get serious about our systems and how they work. Because stuff will come along and we just cannot, can I, particularly as you said, when, when you've got the Davos, you know, sort of planning the next centralized rollout of how you should live your

life. People should be alarmed. They should be alarmed. That is me. I have to, yeah. Let's close off tonight. Is there any, any, any, anything you want to say at the end of this?

I mean, to say that, you know, we've closed off that firestorm. And look, I am glad that you made yourself available and that we could have had the additional conversation. Because I think the key, sir, is that in this battle, we have to keep informing and educating and sharing. And I may not agree with everything you say. You may not agree with everything I say. But I think fundamentally it comes from our gut. We're trying to save lives. However we get to the end of the road, we're trying to get there.

And we're not dealing with nefarious people. That's the most important thing. You know, we are good people. Even those people on Twitter and all of those places, everybody's just angry right now. I just want people to calm down and let's just listen, try to understand and share

and step up if you could. Let's stop this burning each other down and smearing and slandering and stuff like that. We don't need that in 2024. slandering and stuff like that. It's not, we don't need that 2024. Yeah, I would agree with that. And I just,

you know, interviewed Royce White, whose primary message is don't let people divide us. So Dr. Paul Alexander, again, drpaulauxander.com. Thank you,

sir. I'll talk to you soon. No doubt. And the one, the one other thing I would wish for is please everybody, when you think you've heard something, say something. Go either listen to the tape or go ask that person. We have social media where you're going to ask people.

You can DM them. You can do all kinds of things. Now, as you see, these take a long time to explicate the actual detail of our decision-making and how this works. So it may not be appropriate for just a simple response on X or a DM on Instagram or something, but go listen to it and don't pair it with somebody else says. What somebody else says is what somebody else said, not the subject you're trying to look at. And listen, and if you think that person said something that you don't like and you're going to interpret, go look at when they've talked about these things elsewhere to make sure you're not getting it wrong.

Because you should be disgusted when you go after people and you're wrong. That should be a disgust. You should be ashamed and disgusted whenever you find yourself in that position. I know if I accuse somebody of something that isn't not what they actually said, I feel terrible, terrible. It's just, and you should feel that way too. But people just move right on to the next thing. So please, keep the conversation going.

I actually have to run right now. This one coming up here. Latipo is actually coming in here soon. Roseanne's coming in. Alex Berenson, Dr. Kelly Victory coming back on Valentine's Day, everybody. I know there's been a lot of, again, silly sort of wheel spinning around Dr. Victory.

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