Ask Dr. Drew - Russia & Ukraine: 90 Day Fiancé Julia Trubkina Gibbs on Russian Conflict & Crisis – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 74

Episode Date: February 24, 2022

Julia Trubkina Gibbs starred on 90 Day Fiancé with her now-husband Brandon Gibbs. Originally from Russia, Julia is a dancer and model who can also be seen on 90 Day Fiancé:  Pillow Talk. Follow Julia at https://instagram.com/juliatrubkina1993   Julia Gibbs joins Ask Dr. Drew LIVE to speak on the current crisis at the border between Russia & Ukraine, and how the looming threat of war between the neighboring countries is affecting her family and friends. [This episode originally aired on February 23, 2022] Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation ( https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/FirstLadyOfLove). SPONSORS • REFRAME – Since the beginning of the pandemic, nearly 1 in 5 Americans has reported consuming an unhealthy amount of alcohol, but only 10% of them are actually getting the help they need. Reframe is a neuroscience-based smartphone app that helps users cut back or quit drinking alcohol. Use the code DRDREW for 25% off your first month or annual subscription at https://drdrew.com/reframe • BLUE MICS – After more than 30 years in broadcasting, Dr. Drew’s iconic voice has reached pristine clarity through Blue Microphones. But you don’t need a fancy studio to sound great with Blue’s lineup: ranging from high-quality USB mics like the Yeti, to studio-grade XLR mics like Dr. Drew’s Blueberry. Find your best sound at https://drdrew.com/blue  • HYDRALYTE – “In my opinion, the best oral rehydration product on the market.” Dr. Drew recommends Hydralyte’s easy-to-use packets of fast-absorbing electrolytes. Learn more about Hydralyte and use DRDREW25 at checkout for a special discount at https://drdrew.com/hydralyte  • ELGATO – Every week, Dr. Drew broadcasts live shows from his home studio under soft, clean lighting from Elgato’s Key Lights. From the control room, the producers manage Dr. Drew’s streams with a Stream Deck XL, and ingest HD video with a Camlink 4K. Add a professional touch to your streams or Zoom calls with Elgato. See how Elgato’s lights transformed Dr. Drew’s set: https://drdrew.com/sponsors/elgato/  THE SHOW: For over 30 years, Dr. Drew Pinsky has taken calls from all corners of the globe, answering thousands of questions from teens and young adults. To millions, he is a beacon of truth, integrity, fairness, and common sense. Now, after decades of hosting Loveline and multiple hit TV shows – including Celebrity Rehab, Teen Mom OG, Lifechangers, and more – Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio in California. On Ask Dr. Drew, no question is too extreme or embarrassing because the Dr. has heard it all. Don’t hold in your deepest, darkest questions any longer. Ask Dr. Drew and get real answers today. This show is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. All information exchanged during participation in this program, including interactions with DrDrew.com and any affiliated websites, are intended for educational and/or entertainment purposes only. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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So Drew, are you ready for your big week ahead? Your weekend ahead? I am. Why don't you tell people what we're doing? So I'm heading off to New Orleans tonight to hang out with my girlfriends for a couple of days. And one of our local buddies is there, Kristen Rove, or Rove, Rave, or Rave. I don't know how you say her name. But yeah, and Drew's going to get to experience Mardi Gras. And Tyrus is the monarch of this particular float or day.

I don't know quite how it works. And we're going to be part of his crew, spelled K-R-E-W-E. Well, we're going to the ball. And we're going to the ball and all this stuff. So it should be an interesting cultural experience. I haven't called to see if he can be in his crew. And it's also Nicole Scherzinger. She's the other monarch, too.

So it should be very interesting, very fun. And we're looking forward. And we thank Tyrus and his wife for letting us tag along. Good times. Good monarch, too. So it should be very interesting, very fun. And we're looking forward. And we thank Tyrus and his wife for letting us tag along. Good times. Good times, indeed. I hope we survive it. She's like, why are we doing this? Well, I'm like, I'm just I'm like, I hope we survive this. It's like, what is this? How are we doing?

Well, they have a gym at the Four Seasons. Right. I'll be good. I like that run along the river. I'll be fine with that. Yeah, you'll be fine. It's a vacation. This is what a vacation's for. All right. Good. And so part of the reason we're a little early today is sleep i have to go to party all right but uh susan is getting out of here right away and uh and this our guests i'll welcome in in just a second and i had to see this so we made the show a little earlier today right she's like you're not gonna have you julian i'm not gonna be there my flight's at four but we're

gonna move the show back we're big big 90 Day Fiancé fans. We are 90 Day Fiancé fans. And I... And pillow talk. And I hearken my heritage is from that part of the world where Julia is from. And I literally know nothing about it. And I thought, gosh, we love that show. We like the cast that have been deeply involved with this.

It'd be fun to talk to them and maybe get some ideas about what things look like from their perspective. We almost got to go there this summer, but they canceled the trip. Right. We were thinking about going to the Black Sea, but now I'm not so sure I want to do that. I know. Now's not the time to take a cruise in the Black Sea. So let's bring in from 90 Day Fiance,

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Use the code drdrew for 25% off your first month or your annual subscription. That's at joinreframeapp.com slash drdrew. Julia, welcome to the program. Thank you so much. How do you hear me? There you are. What's what's that how you hear me we hear you fine you loud and clear you look great we hear you fine can you can you hear me okay good so we were technically good so um i we have lots of 90 day fiance style questions

because we're fans of the show but let me again frame it in what I was just saying, which is I was always told my ancestors were Russian. Russian. We always say that. They're Russian. We're from Russia. We're from Russia. Well, it turns out you are from Russia. It turns out I am from probably Belarus and the Ukraine.

It's really a more Belarus-Ukraine heritage that then came over here after World War I. But that was Russia at the time. It was Russia at the time, but it's not technically Russian. So I'm going to ask you a simple question first. How does a Russian understand my heritage? Am I Ukrainian? Am I Belarusian? Or am I Russian? You know what? I guess it's how you're feeling.

If you're thinking you are Ukraine, you're Ukraine. If you feel you're Belarus, you're Belarus. If you feel you're Russian, you are Russian. This depends on your choice, who you are, who you want to be. Right. So you can identify with the culture and heritage and history of a particular region and that region can include russia because it's all been at one time it was all melded together they've been together and crossed over with each other over many many many centuries yes i have more friends who have like half ukrainian half russian and it's so hard to tell who are you because i have person and

mother from ukraine and father from russia and it's all time my friends say i'm have both country i'm not russian i'm not ukraine i'm both and this is interesting that's interesting it is interesting and i kind of wondered if that's what you, trying to understand what's going on in that part of the world right now from our perspective. We don't have those sorts of experiences of understanding that there's a lot of interconnectivity between these two countries, right? To be honest, I try to understand too. Because now is everything what you see from internet, some part is gonna be light, some part is gonna be true. And you never know where is real true. People

like us, right? Like you come people, Russian people, America never know what is true, where is true. We really want not true to you know, what's interesting is that i totally i completely agree with you and i and i find myself all the time going well you know certain some news outlet reported this i have no idea if it's true or not when i was growing up in this country i think you could rely on the news and we used to point at pravda and the soviet press and go ha they distort everything. You don't know what's true.

And now here we are doing the same thing. It's true. I think it is a circle of life. All time you have same situation. A very true and only people who make this true know this true. It's like, you know, it's a broken phone. If you play this game when you're young we have played this game all time when one person say words and say for another person and another person repeat these words but not correctly and all time for last person have

no idea what first person tell and you have broken phone and you never know like how it starts from what yes that's right we just we just call that telephone here we just call it the telephone game because it's it's it's distorting all the time now uh i want to i want to observe something um i know that your husband brandon was giving you a little shit about your accent and your language during the season with you guys, I noticed. Not bad, just a little bit of shit. And although your accent is still there, I feel like your English is a lot better. Is that just having lived here long, or have you been really working on it? Your English is really good.

So I tell you about my English. Before I meet my husband, I'm not speaking english at all I mean, I guess I know hi. How are you? Because i'm so bad to school, you know so bad girl And He asked me more questions. You know, what is it? I you know, what is it? I say And he said I do not understand me I say

And Next he realized I don't understand me. I said, mm-mm. And next he realized I don't understand him. And next when I started to live here, I started to listen to all what he said, what my in-law's parents said. And I started to listen and remember all the words that people said around me. And I started to repeat these words. Wow. But everyone started to correct me.

And I said, please, everyone correct me if I'm wrong. Because I'm trying try repeat words, but sometimes I have so be confused with words. This is so funny. Because more words similar. And I say one word, but I mean different words. Yeah. That's sort of remarkable. So you actually didn't have formal English training? You didn't go to a teacher or tutor or something? me do something funny and never say why he think is I never in English is so hard to learn. And I feel like I'm not smart enough

to learn this language because it's so hard. But now I'm listening and I feel I'm not doing so bad, not great, but not so bad. You're doing very, very well. Don't you agree, Susan? I mean, kind of remarkable. I don't think I could. that. Yeah. So that's good for you. I still can't talk like that. Right. So but but congratulations. That's good. Are you now? Are you working now? Are you this is that this is

sort of 90 day fiance esque stuff. I'm not gonna get into specifics. But are you are you working? You have a job now? Are you still looking? How's that working out for you? I tell you about this, you need to keep watching. Okay, okay, okay. That's exactly the right answer. So you packed a lot into that answer, which is that we're going to see you again, and that there will be stories about your progress and work and things.

Is it fair territory to ask you how you perceive Americans? That's the other thing I was interested in. How you, because I feel like there's a lot more Eastern Europeans coming to this country. And I'm curious, and, you know, what your perception was there and now what your perception is here. And you're in a certain part of the country, too. And every part of this country is very, very different. My second home right now. What's that? I'm sorry. Oh, you're in a certain part of the country too and every part of this country is very very different what's that i'm sorry i'm sorry because when we start talking i still hear you no it's it's there's a delay it's okay step on me it's no problem but go ahead are you did you say you're in russia now no i said no i'm in america now but america now is my second home because i

live here i have my family here but but I still have family in Russia. And I feel like I have both homes. America is my home and Russia is my home. Yeah. And I'm curious what you think about America now that it's one of your homes as compared to how you thought about it before. I'm just curious how you perceive it. Yeah.

Before when I lived in Russia, American people are so far. I know nothing about this country. And I just hear we have stereotypes. We have stereotypes. American people love fast food. And anyone cooking in the kitchen, we have a stereotype about this. Everyone loves fast food here. And this is true. Yeah, it's true. It's true yeah it's true it's true it's true yeah it's not that far and um to be honest i don't know nothing about america when i leave russia i'm not exactly foul of i'm just knows i have more my friends mongols to america

because have like miami you're watching movie you see Miami and New York and we have movie from America and this why everyone have dreams going to New York in New Year and Miami's are going to beach and help like Something fancy life and but you know, and I know before and I still know this American so kind everyone so helpful and All time. I remember situation. I explain you be driving with my husband to park and

We see a little kitty and this kid is stay in a street and we decide to stop to See what happened with this kitty and we stopped and this is kitty quickly just jumping inside our car and go inside engine and this is Saturday of course which I call control about animals animals control yeah and people start help us three policemen stop near us to help take this kitty out and called friends. And, you know, seven people stopped to help us take this kitty off. We took part of our new car. We took this couple parts.

Yes. We were like, oh, my God. But if you don't do this kitty, you're going to die if you're not driving. And seven people stopped to help us to taking this kitty out from our car. And one lady took this kitty home. And after this situation, I say, I'm like, I'm shocked. People just stopped for help. And it's not one situation.

I have a situation when I stopped in a street, my car stopped working. And people stopped to ask me what happened. I'm okay or I need help. And this impressed me. And everyone like smiling. Well, that's what I heard that is very different. I've heard that's very different. I've heard that in Russia, if you smile while you're crossing somebody in the street, it would

almost be aggressive. What's going on? It'd be confusing. Yes, people start thinking what you want from me. I mean, if I ask somebody in a street, hi, how are you? Start to feel something wrong. What I do, what you want

from me. And this is like this distance. This is normal, but Americans are so open. If you ask anybody in the street, hey, how are you? These people answer to you and ask your back. That's so funny. That's shocking to hear.

And so now your dad, we saw your dad on this last season that you were on, and he seems like a very, very sort of traditional Russian man. Would that be accurate? What do you want to say about traditional? Well, he just seems, if I were to look at him and hear him talk, I would think, well, that guy's from Russia. Even if he didn't speak Russian, I'd go, that guy looks Eastern European. Let's put it that way.

My question to you is, does he have different attitudes than you, or are you similar in his attitude? Would he see things very differently, like, for instance, the Ukrainian situation and all, or does he very much like you? I think

I'm just copying my father. I feel we old time have same opinion we all time have uh i know i feel like the old time if i say something my father agree with me if you say i'm agree this mean like we kind of thinking similar and now i talking with my parents and we have also we have family in Ukraine. I mean, it's not like close family, but father's side, like I don't know exactly because I never talked, but I know we have. And my parents worry about the situation because anyone in this world won't work. My parents, it doesn't matter who, my parents or not my parents. the situation because anyone in this world won't work. My parents, it doesn't matter who, my parents or not my parents,

and my parents are so scared about this. And all the time ask me, what kind of news you guys have? And I ask, what kind of news you guys have? Because we have little different news everywhere. Yeah, yeah. And I'm not surprised that that's interesting to me and so would would the average Russian sort of be against this what's ever happening down there or would they be just sort of feel helpless with it how would they sort of feel the average Russian feel do you think or is it hard

to tell I know I am it's not hard to tell I feel doesn't matter like Russian or who I feel Russian feel sorry because it's not decision people people not speak people just uh need to do what government say and I feel all Russian people feel sorry about this situation and don't want people thinking about this is Russian people decision we not do nothing with this we don't want people thinking about this is Russian people decision. We not do nothing with this. We don't have to choose to do something. And I know all my friends we're talking, and everyone say, oh, yeah, is this normal? No, everyone say it's not normal.

We don't want war. We don't want the enemy. This is 2022. People have language. People talk between each other. People speaking and have agreement between each other, but not agreement to kill each other. Yeah, I'm sort of inspired by what you're saying. It's a kind of a helplessness, right? I mean, I kind of feel the same way about our government. I don't really know what they're doing. I don't understand why they seem to be escalating things.

But I mean, it's, I have felt, again, it's my heritage. So I have felt a certain kinship with that region. But I feel like there's certainly been a growing closeness, you know, with Russia and the West, really. It's just been growing for a long time and uh it was starting to become part of frankly and it's sort of sad to see it some sort of wedge in the way that doesn't make sense to me i mean of course what do i know about what the real geopolitical you know what the regional concerns are of the governments but i i i'm i'm really inspired to hear that the average person feels not good about this

so uh i worry about now is russia don't have any place where is you go and ask for visa to america everything closed yeah and my family can come to america America everything closed and my family can come to America because everything closed and before when I come here I'm trying to do travel visa and I have for agreement with my future husband I have document I have approval why I won't come America I didn't want like broken your rules. I'm appreciated and I'm and I don't have a travel visa here because Relationships are bad and this is so sad because I want we have nice relationship between this country and We don't have any problem to just visit each other to just my parents my father and mother-in-law

come to visit my parents in russia and i'm dreaming we have relationship like this between this country is yeah her timing was really good who's uh julia yeah in terms of saying this or what do you mean no getting here before getting Oh, getting here. Yeah, she got here just in time before COVID too. Well, yeah. He slid in under the radar. I found here

before a couple weeks COVID and everything after a couple weeks shut down. Sheesh. Wild. I'm so lucky.

Are you are you friendly with Yara also? You seem like you guys were friendly on your reunion. We meet each other, but I can't be friends with people. I'm so close.

I talk with people. I talk with people a lot. I'm so friendly with everyone. But I have only a couple of friends in my life. It's close. But I talk with everyone sometime but if you don't have like uh talk we're not talking right now because we don't have topic for talking she have her life I have my life yeah and I just wondered I I'm just getting I'm curious

if she would see things the same way or she would feel more defensive because she, I think she's from Kiev, right? I, I guess. Yes. I'm not sure, but I guess. Yeah. Yeah. And what part of Russia are you from? Where'd you grow up? I'm from Topsy.

I'm born from Topsy. This is city near Black Sea. You say you want to go visit Black Sea. This is near Skocie. It's so little village. And I lived maybe like 17 years with my parents. And next, I'm moving to Krasnodar. So, go to university.

And all my life, I lived in Krasnodar. Like half-life in Topsi, half-life in Krasnodar. Got it. And what did you study in university? I'm a designer designer interior designer oh i said that's right we saw you try to we're looking for that kind of work at one point um okay um caleb can you come on the screen for a second because i need to pull the curtain back for a little second here yes hello yes we are not supposed to talk about the last season stuff that's already aired or uh okay guys if we have any idea can i ask how alert today no spoilers but can i talk how ron

and betty are doing everybody everybody good well we see ron and betty on on pillow talk and they're doing a great job i was just just going to say. I think. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm again talking same time with you. No, it's okay. It's quite fine. It's quite all right.

Go ahead. Keep going. For my opinion, is Brandon Perrins is best couple on Pillow Talk. It's so funny. They're really funny. Yeah. It's so funny. It's so lovely. so lovely and i'm dreaming we have same relationship with brandon after like 20 30 years i wish we have same relationship

oh that's sweet you know he's the fact that his parents are like that does increase the probability that you'll be like that you'll be like that that he can have that kind of relationship that sort of that sort of predicts a likelihood but but i have a question about wait i want to tell you something that cracks me up about betty yeah because betty was always like so anti uh sex in her house like you weren't allowed to have sex or be in the same room when you were before you're married and and then she's like you know now she's watching the show and with kimberly yeah and then kimberly finds out she's gonna she's like yay

not under my roof but you could do it it's so funny and then and then of course that's right that's right it's not happening in their house but but what i have what i have a question of is since when did she become such an exotic eater she's eating like snails and all kinds of exotic stuff on the pillow talk has she always been like that to be honest i don't know i know she likes seafood but i'm first time see she eating this in the pillow talk. And I said, oh, my God, I never eat. I'm so, this is a, oh, my God, no, this is not look like delicious. But she stays delicious.

They are characters. They are characters. We appreciate you spending time with us. I thank you so much for coming by. I actually feel a little inspired by some of the things you were saying. I'm also inspired by your language acquisition skills. It's remarkable, if you've not been formally trained, that your English is picking up so fast. But we look forward to whatever's coming up for you guys.

Congratulations on all this. And maybe one day we'll all meet in person. That'd be great. But we do appreciate you coming by. I'm glad to be here. Thank you so much. You bet. All right.

What we will do is take a little break and then we will come back and I will take some calls and we'll get on the restream. From Clubhouse. And Susan's going to get out of here and we'll chat it up. I'm going to get on the road to LAX. Let's talk about our friends at Hydrolyte. I can't say enough about Hydrolyte. You hear me talk about them all the time. It gets me through workouts and medical procedures and colonoscopies.

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Yeah. And I just thought, that's an interesting way to get into the conversation because people kind of know her from the show and stuff. And Susan and I. But I like her diplomacy. She's like, you know, we don't want this. This is not the people. But she was very clear that it was –

We live in Russia. It's the government. She was very clear it wasn't just her. It's like everybody, both in the Ukraine and in Russia. Nobody wants war. She's right. She's right. That's exactly right.

But the news is so startling every day. And we're like, okay, whose side is it? You know, I wish that we could just have peace and not have to go through this kind of thing. I don't quite understand what's going on myself, I've got to say. I don't know. It's just, who knows? All right. So anyway. There's a lot about our governments, too, that we don't know about that we have to put up with.

They're not alone in russia anyone the restream watching 90 day fiance any any questions or concerns or people you'd like us to talk to we've spoken i know but we can't talk about 90 day fiance we talked to stephanie and we talked to angela yeah but she's not on anymore so i guess not well stephanie's probably still doing the pillow talk so but it sounds like julia's got another season coming which is kind of i hope so i mean i think they all have stuff coming down the road they're they're that the spinning everything is just so people who you know watching me that the people that produce that show have done something that very extremely rare on television a succeed b exceed inexpensively c season after season sustaining an audience and then having

multiple spin-off shows that have audiences i know the characters on pillow talk are great nothing there's nothing i haven't there's so funny anything that has done anything who's the who's the african-american guy that i love camera was uh michael with angela no it's the other one um oh oh annie and uh robert robert it's not annie though is it it's have you guys did you guys watch uh love off the grid yet so fun no i i really don't want to because i'm afraid i'm gonna get hooked into that's what that's exactly the problem yeah so it was made by the same producers from that did 90 day fiance that's what got taylor and i hooked and now it's exactly what you're afraid of is once you start you just can't stop

i mean we we literally all jump on the couch together when it comes out every week we're like oh my god it's tonight and then we got into it because tom segura do you remember Ash and what was his girlfriend's name? Ash and- Crazy Eyes? He was Crazy Eyes. And Tom Segura, like, what's wrong with that guy? He said, when I could have thyroid disease, he ended up having hyperthyroidism. He did.

And he's like, you got to watch this. You got to see what's wrong with him. And I was like, okay. And we watched this thing. Well, then during COVID, we went back to the beginning and binge watched it so much that we couldn't stop. I know. We were so bored during the beginning of the pandemic. Yes.

But you know what? It is well produced. It's a great show. And I recommend it highly to other people if they want to be entertained. It's interesting to see couples when they meet and then they decide if they're going to get married and wondering if they're going to be in love and if they and when they get married it's so exciting well i wanted to talk to her a little bit we had to wrap it up but i wanted to get into the stuff we got into with stephanie about what it's like with six people in the room while you're trying to do you know those scenes well those scenes you saw where she and brandon were fighting

there were two cameras each camera two camera, and each camera has a cable guy running behind the camera. And then there has to be at least one sound, maybe two sound guys in there, too. And it's like there's six people in your bedroom while you're having a fight with your husband. It's hard. That's why we don't do reality shows. Reality. I don't want anybody in my bedroom. So, all right.

So let's get some calls off Clubhouse. Any topics are fine. Whatever you guys want to talk about, I'm willing to entertain some conversation. What are you guys questioning about today? This looks like defenestrate, but I'm sure that's not actually what the name is. Charles. Hello. Can you hear me the name is. Charles. Hello. Can you hear me?

I do. Okay. Whenever I watch the news about the Crimea and all that, I get the distinct feeling that the people who are discussing this event don't seem to know anything about the ottoman empire uh the tartars catherine the great uh or potemkin uh let me assure you let me assure you if if these are american anchors they know nothing about those things i promise you they've heard of catherine the great they may have seen catherine hoff but they don't understand. I've got to tell you something. I've got to tell you something.

The Crimea has been part of Russia since before California was part of America. Right. Wasn't Peter the Great's navy? No, Catherine the Great. Well, maybe Peter the Great had Catherine the Great. And what happened back then was something with the Ottoman Empire, and they took the area. They took it either by war or by treaty. And Potemkin went down there.

That's the Potemkin villages. He may believe there were 100,000 Russians down there. The fact is it was full of Tartars. But eventually they drove out the Tartars, Muslims, and the area has been full of Russians for the last 150 years. And the big problem that we should be talking about is that Yeltsin was drunk. That area was placed into Ukraine by Stalin or by Khrushchev as some sort of political number. They were states of Russia. It was all the same. It was all part of the Soviet Union. Yeltsin was drunk. He signed something he shouldn't have signed, and he put all these Russian people, people who speak Russian, eat Russian food, wear Russian clothes, listen to Russian music, put them into Ukraine. Right.

I'm familiar, faintly familiar, but I'm familiar with that phenomena. My question, though, is why isn't it the issue of those people in that region to figure out what to do with themselves? Well, they voted. They voted in Crimeaa and it was 98 to 1 yeah and uh i do not know about these breakaway republics they're not large areas but they're on the way basically to crimea and i got a hunch that they're over 90 percent russian people well there's because i did i did hear on the news that they were evacuated.

And they were not evacuated to Ukraine. They were evacuated to Russia. I suspect that's true. No, I've heard that for a long time, that this is a Russian-speaking, not just sympathetic to Russia, but desirous of being a part of Russia. Why don't they just go to Russia? Well, because I don't know. You know, this is politics. You're talking to Charlie about politics. i don't know you know this is politics yeah you're talking to you're talking to charlie about politics okay yeah i don't know anything about that's why again that's

why i just want to talk yeah we don't we don't talk well about well we don't it's well it's just that this is this is something i clearly remember from world history right from from 45 years ago it was in the history books i don't know if they're rewriting the history books to erase this but i think it's hard to erase potemkin out of the because that's kind of a famous thing potemkin village everybody knows about that right and and though it's this country's perceptions are so distorted by all the years under soviet rule and all the tensions. Well, I'm not saying that Votemkin is a great guy.

He's got problems. He's mismanaging his country. But that's a different story. Well, the point is, I think, and the point you're raising, I think that's the important point, is that study your history, understand what's actually going on, what you think is going on and pay attention to the the people in these regions that's that's what my that's why i had that idea to speak to julia i thought this is sort of an average russian woman that happens to be here she's got a a brand because she's on a tv show so she slipped out

under the radar and here she is no i think I think it's interesting. Thanks, Charles. I appreciate it. Well, I always thought that the reason that Russia wanted power over the Ukraine was because they wanted the ports in the Black Sea. In the Crimea. I mean, Georgia is part of it, but they wanted to be able to have full access. There's some of that. Well, that's why Peter the Great and Catherine the Great went down there. Well, now it's like more that they want to run this pipeline through to Germany,

and they want to access that and make the money. But that's – it's always some kind of infrastructure thing. It says Maserati, but I don't know your real name. My real name is Mario. Mario, what's going on, man? How are you doing, sir? Good. How is everybody? We're Good. How's everybody?

We're good. How are you? I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I'm actually watching a live feed right now on the border about the whole Russia thing. I don't think... I feel like it's getting out of hand.

I feel like it's just... Everybody's getting tired of not having more, I guess. I hope that's not it, but I know what you mean. You say it's losing. What's your sense of it watching these feeds? Can you get information out of it? The one I'm watching right now is on YouTube. Actually, if everybody's listening, you can actually click when you go on YouTube, just type in EarthCam

Live Russian-Ukraine border, and it'll just show a live feed of the actual border. So what's going on now is that it's just a live feed of the border. Putin has a big, he's like a fiend for war, I guess, right now. I don't know what it's like like they said earlier it's politics there's a lot of things that we don't know and a lot of things that we don't talk about because we're misinformed and they're not going to tell us the truth on what's going on and i feel like you know we're being messed we're being misled by a president that

you know everybody has their own opinion about who's running the country yeah yeah it's there's a lot of there's a lot of i i would sort of characterize it as we all feel kind of helpless right is that kind of how we feel yeah yeah thanks thanks tomorrow well and also we're not they're not we're not really supposed to know what's happening i guess and when you're planning a war you don't give you don't show your cards that's right okay tomorrow we're gonna come in on our jets and we're gonna that's right you know come in and do this and that like that's the whole thing about when you're setting up for a war is nobody tells anybody anything if you do you lose whiz chris points out the dreaded domino effect she says it's just a matter of time before same thing happens to belarus estonia latvia blah blah blah yes but then we have like

these live feed videos of what's going on and everybody's you know you know trying to say what's happening and it's it that's not how it works you know and then a lot of those live feed videos are misinformation of their own like they're rebroadcasting old footage from years ago and then it has to be proven later but it throws people off i know that's why i'm like i don't know what to trust because it's misleading media people that i usually trust it's they're they're so good at this and so now i think that's their goal is they just want us to not know what's going on because we don't know what's true and what's not who do you trust you know you're sort of a you know you have a long heritage in the internet outlets who do you trust in media how do you get your information i mean i almost i almost believe

i'm watching tiktok i was gonna say i almost believe tiktok more than anything else i'm finally watching tiktok i'm finding people that are there reporting it on their on their phone like in real time maybe but um you know but see like now the headlines are that you know there's a superpower fight between china russia and the u.s okay so of course you're going to click on that because everybody says oh great now we have to worry about china you know gearing up with russia against the united. And that's a true fear that everybody has. But we're never going to know until whatever happens, happens. Because it's not like we're going to get a game plan.

Russia, China, and Turkey are very, very good at misinformation. They're very good at muddying the waters, and get very invested in it it's it's you can look at accounts they'll post something that's very it's very inflammatory and then there'll be 10 other people that reply to that same account agreeing with it and saying oh i saw this happen i saw it it totally happened and people don't realize that the main account and all 10 accounts that first replied to it can all be controlled by the same person and you would never know but then it starts from there it just starts spreading it's very easy to convince people so war is not based on what's reality it could be based on what somebody turns reality into well that throw you off information warfare powerful statement

that's crazy oh yeah crazy crazy remember i studied war in college i was a history major wow and it was all we did is study wars and it's like you know the just think about it like think about how we have technology now to throw people off we didn't have it back then but you know some of the best wars the way they were fought is like textbook and you know i don't think you can do that anymore. I think it's all – the media is going to throw us off too. And the government can – That's the hard part.

The government gives information to the media and they can say whatever they want too. Yeah, right. But it seems like the media just does whatever it does. Although when you ask Joe Biden anything, he goes, I'm not going to talk about that right now. He seems to be pretty good about dealing with war. He seems to be more on top of it than I expected. So I'm hoping that, you know,

he's got a good group working for us. I'm looking at some of the stuff on Restream and I'm trying to understand questions like, do you purposely keep Americans sick for your Lord? No. For any Lord. What? Yeah, I don't know what that means. questions like do you purposely keep americans sick for your lord no for any lord uh yeah i don't know what that means when i when i and by the way i was making a joke at one point on the stream somebody uh tom cigars was saying he and i are the same person i said yes it's me and tom cigar was the same guy and i am lord which was a joke about Randy at South Park telling, not Kyle, anyway, telling his kid that he was Lord.

And it turned out he was. He was actually Lord. There are a lot of people, they've convinced themselves that the pharma companies are paying you to promote the vaccines when that would be. Yeah, that's a weird thing. They would not be able to hide that payments to get payments for i don't understand how it would even work i mean what would they like every time we wrote a prescription somebody would send us a dollar or something i mean how would that even how would they even find out how that's the strangest thing in the world

um we can work for pharmaceutical companies doctors do do that either doing research or having their research funded by or speaking on behalf of out publicly usually it's products that doctors really believe in and feel filled you know and they'll tell you they'll also say I'm receiving you know stipend from this company they're required to say that um well my dear lord yeah i'm going to have to go okay i think i'm going to head off to the airport all right well i'll miss you and we'll see you on saturday a couple days and um hopefully i'll fly over that big storm you will survive to uh meet me we'll be fine don't worry that's fine okay um and then also i want to thank julia for coming on and oh dogecoin the big big pharma sends us dogecoin there you go that's how it works oh

yeah that's what we get i don't even have any of that i i wish i mean it's like somebody wanted to pay me and in cryptocurrency the other day and I was like, no thanks, I'll take cash. So interesting. It's like, I don't know about this crypto stuff, like whatever. Yeah, it's so interesting. Didn't I buy, I bought some Dogecoin, remember? Yeah, for a minute. Yeah, I made like 700 bucks and I sold it, so there you go.

Again, I'm going to watch you guys on Rees. But anyways, it was nice. I don't think we should talk about politics anymore it's too makes me too nervous we really weren't talking about politics though i mean a little bit i mean we should talk about where everybody's worried about it but stock i'm a foreign agent that that would be fun uh let's see oh gosh drew it's all right well so many things to so many people. Yeah.

And you are my Lord. All right. Let's get Josh up here and see what he wants to talk about. Okay, bye. Have fun, Josh. Have a great trip. Talk to you soon. Fly safe.

I'll call you tomorrow. Hi, Josh. What's happening? Oh, not much. I wanted to talk to you about last night or yesterday, the spiritual vacuum that you mentioned. It's something that I work on myself personally. I'm very sort of into the, especially the Eastern spiritual traditions, meditation, chanting, and these things. And I practice them myself. But I know

you're really interested in, you've always been interested in addiction. And I feel like that has a part to play in the spiritual vacuum. Because as people confront what it is that they're doing, unconsciously or even consciously, not having awareness of what those repercussions can be it's very difficult to have any sort of spiritual real spiritual life because your spiritual life is the drug yeah and i was just wondering if you agreed on a comment on no i completely agree with you uh my when it comes to spirituality per se i've've always felt like that is one of my areas of weakness. Room for improvement, as they say. Not so much in my own sense of spiritual landscape, though I'm sure I could do better.

But when patients talk about it in their recovery, they talk about it with great vividness. And I don't know. I'm really not always sure what they're talking about. And I don't know how to really help them with it except sort of direct them towards it, you know, and sort of keep them encouraging. And that does seem to be an important part of people's recovery. And I don't know. How would you define spirituality? So for me, spirituality is awareness of the of the spirit or within you

and i'd like i don't usually use the word spirit but since we're using the word spiritual it's like you break that down into spirit that's consciousness so we think well i know i'm conscious but we actually don't know that we're conscious we sort of normally operate from like an automaton position where we're just doing or like addicted. And we never take the time to say, oh, I have consciousness in this body. When consciousness leaves the body, the body is no longer alive. It's like, we never actually think that we have something in us that is alive or that's conscious or that's spiritual or that's the spirit. And that's enough. But it's amazing how few people actually think that.

Well, how does that sense of spirituality different just from subjectivity? Because consciousness has lots of different correlates and there's different kinds of consciousness, but subjectivity is something we're all experiencing life from a sense of subjectivity. Yeah, so I guess my response to that would be both the subject and the object occur within you. In other words, the perceiver is you. I'm the perceived. And for me, I'm the perceiver.

You're the perceived. But for both of us, actually, depending on who you want to talk to, whatever the subjectivity happens to be, both the perceiver and the perceived exist within the same person. So you're always seeing your own projection. Yeah.

Quite literally. Yeah, literally. I understand. And the way psychologists think about that is they call them, not objective, but object. Object introjects like you like you you're you're perceiving your senses are perceiving something out there in the world but your actual experiences of it is something you introject into your own subjective states right okay yeah that makes sense to me that's a very scientific way of looking at it yeah just a language just different language yeah and if

and the thing that i would add is the problem comes when you have an object of sense, like a cigarette or a drug. Everything gets completely missed because you assume that, oh, I'm just using drugs. That's my consciousness. I'm enlightened. Yeah. And I'm using my drug of choice. So we have to separate when we talk about consciousness. That's why I think what you do is so interesting because you actually have to take the sense object out.

Even the phone. I'm using my phone. Even that, it can't be used in this debate or in this conversation. Yep. I agree with you. And I would say the way I get people out of that stuckness is by experiencing themselves through the perception of an other's subjectivity. So it's literally, it's a reflection of yourself as perceived by another person. Tom, what's going on there? Boy, covering a lot of good topics today.

Wild, right? We're all over the place. Yeah, I think I was just going to say your wife was spot on. I think in listening, if it's possible for anyone to gain access, like I was watching a guy yesterday. He was live streaming from Kiev and he was a Ukrainian. And his take on what's going on is as much like I would anticipate. And he said that it hasn't just been a recent event it's been going on for eight years right right but you know he had mentioned the propaganda that you know a lot of people are seeing and hearing that you know all these russian people want to be reunified with uh russia it's just not accurate well it was part of russia until 2014 and if you remember

we pushed out by some covert means that president. And remember, they went in and examined his palace and it was all this excess and everyone was outraged. And then the Ukrainians sort of asserted themselves as an independent state. They gave up all their nukes. NATO said, we'll protect you. So there's an interesting little historical wrinkle right there if NATO doesn't protect protect ukraine 30 years ago right that that we made that agreement right i think i think there was a reissuance recently but i don't know i don't know the history well yeah but the point is you know are we going to live up to that or not and and uh you know this is just a confusing

piece of history i don't know i i one more talk it just seems like it seems like we should be allied with these people more than we should be in conflict with that whole region somehow i agreed and he was a lot of people were asking on the live stream they said what why aren't why isn't ukraine a part of nato when he goes there's a lot of military standards that need to be met in order for that to happen but But he said that is the desire of the Ukrainian people is to be a part of NATO. Well, and of course, it would be like putting missiles on the Canadian border or the Mexican border for us. We would have some feelings about that. Just like Cuba.

Just like Cuba, that's right. One quick question, if you don't mind me asking, Drew. As a doctor, I really enjoy listening to you and and we don't always meet eye to eye on some of these topics especially with and same thing with adam i love listening to adam too but he goes way out there sometimes with crate training and everything else but um how do you feel as as an expert as an expert in your field with so much distrust in the medical professionals these days, how does that make you feel? Horrible. That's a great question, and thank you for asking.

My dad was a doctor. My uncle was a doctor. My whole community was medicine. When I became a doctor, I thought it was the most important job in the world. And I, I, I don't know. It just, it just felt like just for lack of a, I don't have better language for it right now. You're doing God's work.

You're doing important stuff. You're doing things that, you know, that few people get to do. And it's just, you just, you're helping. And it just was so vital and rewarding for me. And watching what happened with COVID, it's just a totally different profession now. And I would say that the main difference, I've been trying to figure it out. And COVID sort of made a few scales fall from my eyes. But I think fundamentally, at least I've been thinking lately, that one of the things that has changed massively is that medicine used to be a decentralized profession where the

professional made essentially all the decisions. And if that professional, and I used to say this, I remember, it's so funny that I'm thinking about this now. When I was sort of early in my career, when regulatory agencies started coming in and asking for things that were just stupid and time-consuming, my response was, if I'm such a bad physician, send me back for more training. I loved my training. I'll do another year in the ICU. If I'm not properly trained, then train me properly why do you have to put these encumbrances from the outside well those encumbrances have slowly built over the 35 years that i've been a doctor to be massive bureaucracies massive stultifying disgusting paralytic the the worst way that medicine can be can be um delivered is through this kind of a system now uh will it create more efficiency or more equity or some

some byproduct that makes it better i don't know i don't see how it could because your most efficient unit is the patient and the caretaker. A motivated patient who is informed and a physician who knows his or her job, that's your ultimate unit. When you put things in the way of that, on top of that, things get worse. Things get less efficient. I needed a neurology consult, a very important neurology consult for a patient of mine recently and i got there finally got the consult back of course it takes forever because everyone's overloaded with covid and he never saw a neurologist he never he saw a nurse practitioner and i thought i i i'm under i i've deeply trained in neurology understand. I'm sending it to get the highest level academic opinion.

Do I have to send this patient to UCLA to see a neurologist? Is that what I'm going to need to send to academia? And then academia is ossified and it has been completely weird during COVID. So I just have really been thinking a lot about this lately. And I'm in deep psychic pain because of it. It really has bothered me a lot. Can I make one suggestion for you as a listener? Please.

My sister's a doctor, by the way, and went to San Francisco Med School. And she's been a voice for reason throughout this whole pandemic. And just, hey, just trust. Not always trust, but at least listen to the people that are infectious disease experts. Don't listen to all the noise, right? That's right. But one thing I was going to mention, when you speak from your profession and your background, you speak with such confidence and rightfully so. But I hear you kind of take a backseat role sometimes when, and I know it's part of the talk show, when I hear other people just going off on tangents and conspiracy.

The only thing I'd want to suggest for you is just maintain that when you speak from your place of knowledge, speak with confidence. I appreciate that, Tom. And let me just tell you what I'm doing. I always try to treat people that come onto any environment that I'm working in. If they come in as a guest, I try to treat them as a guest. I don't, I don't want to slam them. I don't want to, I just don't, I just don't feel that that's right. But I mean, I, I, you're, you're, you're asking me at least to be a little more corrective.

You're being correct. Not so much with your guests, but you know, I think you and Adam have such a long history together and I respect it. And it's part of the show. You've got to have the back and forth, but there's sometimes that dude just goes way off kilter, and I'm thinking, where's Drew in this one? Well, I'll try. I hear that. I will try, but he gets aggressive. He's an alpha.

He's an alpha. But, I mean, really, it can be very unpleasant when I try to go, ah. If you noticed, I have been doing it a bit more lately. Yes. You notice? And I'm trying to soften him up a little bit in certain areas because I really am bothered by some of the stuff he says. Because let's face it, our world and our nation has no doubt, we've lost even the very basic form of humanity on so many things. And that's where I'm like, ah, Drew, please speak up.

Please say something. I appreciate it. Okay, I'll try to do better. Thank you. But the other thing is, let me tell you, there's one other thing that's actually is also bothering me. Sure. Is that I was becoming hubristic. The homeless thing got me so upset.

And I'm so clear on what that is. I started speaking with hubris. And it bled into some of the things I was saying about COVID, too. And I'm like, that was not good. So I'm trying very hard to not speak with categorical certainty about anything, even when I am certain. And that's so tough to do in this political, fired up environment that we find ourselves in. But I love it when you just speak from your position of knowledge and truth and just trying to keep the politics out of it. Just, I love it.

So thank you very much for what you did. Appreciate it, man. Where are you calling from? What part of town are you from? Northern California, Forest Hill area. Good times. Good work, Tom. Thanks.

See you. All right, buddy. All right, bye. Take care. Let's see here. If can get uh joe up here i see joe want to raise his hand and then we're gonna wrap up pretty soon here hi joe what's going on hello dr true how are you good what's happening well i'm starting to get out a little bit good how's that feel well i feel at times very anxious I feel at times very anxious. I feel at times very good. I'm very comfortable outside.

Outside, I've already on the two nice days that we've had in New York, including today, I've gone for nice two plus mile walks. Call that health, my friend. That's good. Yes. And it feels really good okay um and and and no mask wearing because i feel comfortable not wearing a mask outdoors now indoors so good that's progress that's progress you look to the science and you feel secure good right now indoors i've gone into a basketball arena on a couple of occasions and worked events um

that's what i used to do back in the day and i've started to do it again i just started again on monday monday and tuesday i after monday i had an anxiety issue afterwards i noticed when i actually worked the event that maybe it's because my mind is predisposed. I just went over this with my psychologist, and I guess the best way to handle it is just keep doing it. Keep doing it. Keep doing it. You sound better just hearing your voice. You sound better.

And just keep doing it. Yes. You sound more centered or something. I don't know what it is. Now, I want to change topics only because I think you've gone through so much Ukraine in the last hour and 15 minutes. By the way, safe travels, Susan. There is a dense fog advisory for New Orleans. Oh, okay.

Yes. So anyway, but what I want to discuss is the topic of heart rate. Okay. Because I feel like I'm just so consumed by heart rate. And I'll tell you why this occurred for me. This occurred for me because it seems to be the first signs of me getting sick. I remember just as the COVID pandemic began, I got sick just before that, which was not COVID. It was, you know, there's a million other respiratory infections out there. And my heart rate jumped pretty high, jumped like 120 plus beats a minute.

But anything I noticed once it gets above like 75 or 80, it becomes nerve wracking for me. Because my normal is like 60 to 65 um i don't know it's because i i don't know it's because maybe i'm just why don't you why don't you get up and do a treadmill test and you can sort of see the physiology of your heart or an echo distress something like that so you can uh stress it and be and then forget about it after that because any you're you're all these fluctuations, as long as your heart rate is not over 150, these are physiological changes.

Physiological, normal. And in your head, you want to be sure there's not something underlying it, some sort of coronary disease or valvular disease or something that may be contributing to that or disease of the intrinsic muscle, I understand. So do a stress test and then put it to to rest i'll have to do another well i've done them i've done them actually i did one in 2020 during the pandemic so you're good you're good did you just a plain

stress or you echo or do anything else with it it was it was a um it was a plain stress and then i got a a um a follow followup with a cardiologist. And what did they tell you? And what did they tell you? It was, it was fine. They told you not to worry about your heart. That's it. Exactly. You can stop worrying about your heart. That's right. And I want to reiterate that to you can stop worrying about your heart. If you want to do another treadmill in five, seven, 10 years, go ahead. In the meantime, stop thinking about your heart.

Okay. I will stop that now. With that said, when I exercise, I should probably get one of those Fitbit types of things. No, I would think you should not. Because you're way too preoccupied with this. You should get

good advice on exercise and go do it. That's it. Well, you've given me plenty no no i mean somebody who monitors you somebody who really sits a trainer like make an appointment with the cardiologist no no i mean i mean a trainer or go to a gym and have somebody set you up on a program and just that's it you You do it. Okay. Okay? But for now, the advice I guess right now would be just okay to be outside and enjoy. Yes. Oh, yes. Start walking. Walking, walking, walking. Miles a day.

That's the answer. But I don't want you preoccupying about your heart rate. It's not good for you. It's not good. You won't exercise the way you should probably. Go exercise. You're a young man, certainly relatively young man, and rigorous exercise. I understand there's been a lot of weight loss and everything lately,

but I know you have chronic ITP and whatever, but rigorous exercise will still be good for you. But how you build to it and what exercises, I'd like somebody, a trainer or somebody, to go over that with you and set up a plan. I think that's the way to do it. All right, everybody. We thank you so much for being

here today. It's been a lot of fun. Thank you, Julia, for stopping by and sharing your thoughts about the Russian situation, the situation in Russia. And it was sort of inspiring. Caleb, are you good? Oh, yes. Much better from COVID. Much improved.

And eventually, one day we need to talk about it because it was such a strange experience it was I wasn't what I expected at all yeah when we get back from our little trip here yeah and uh we were we're trying you know as I've told people we're trying to expand our topics or it's not all covet all the time it gets a little something that way but uh and TLC is happy they're okay with things oh yes they they sound like they're all good they're all good okay good all right excellent they should be i mean that promotes their show i mean my goodness right and uh thank you she did great yeah thank you michelle for

booking that i just i threw out these things to michelle and she just gets them and uh julie was great uh thank you caleb and we will see you all. When are we back? Like Thursday? Is that right? Is it like not tomorrow, but a week from Thursday, I think. Yeah, next. So we're out of town for this week and the next go around

will be Thursday and Friday. I don't think we have a guest for Friday. On Thursday, we do have a guest, but I'm not sure who this is. It's all people I kind of ask to get in here. And sometimes I forget why I'm asking for it,

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