Ask Dr. Drew - Save Our Sovereignty: 3 Steps To End Liberty Forever (And How We Can Still Stop It) w/ Naomi Wolf & Brian O’Shea – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 369

Episode Date: June 16, 2024

How to capture a free country in 3 steps: 1. Antagonize its free people by methodically depriving them of their rights, 2. Thwart their reproduction through artificial interventions, and 3. Overwrite their generations of epigenetic memory by cultivating a new slave class that has never known liberty. Everyone involved – strong and weak, citizen and refugee – must be prodded into bickering amongst each other endlessly, lest they discover they are all equal pawns in a globalist game being played with their lives. • SPONSORED BY TAX NETWORK USA – Do you owe back taxes? Tax Network USA has saved over $1 billion in back taxes for their clients, and they can help you secure the best deal possible. Call 1-800-245-6000 for a private, free consultation, or visit https://drdrew.com/tnusa Naomi Wolf, Ph.D. is a bestselling author, columnist, and professor. She is recognized as one of the world’s most influential feminist writers. Wolf is a Rhodes Scholar, a graduate of Yale University, and received a doctorate from Oxford. She has written eight bestselling works of nonfiction, including The Beauty Myth, Give Me Liberty, and The End of America, and is co-founder and CEO of civic tech company https://DailyClout.io. Her latest book is “Facing the Beast: Courage, Faith and Resistance in a New Dark Age.” Follow her at https://x.com/naomirwolf Brian O’Shea is an Intelligence Analyst and Private Investigator. After serving in the military for 11 years of active-duty service, Brian worked as a Senior Consultant and Subject Matter Expert for two of the US Government’s top intelligence agencies. Find him online at https://x.com/BrianOSheaSPI 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • CAPSADYN - Get pain relief with the power of capsaicin from chili peppers – without the burning! Capsadyn's proprietary formulation for joint & muscle pain contains no NSAIDs, opioids, anesthetics, or steroids. Try it for 15% off at https://capsadyn.com/drew • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • TRU NIAGEN - For almost a decade, Dr. Drew has been taking a healthy-aging supplement called Tru Niagen, which uses a patented form of Nicotinamide Riboside to boost NAD levels. Use code DREW for 20% off at https://drdrew.com/truniagen • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • COZY EARTH - Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets & clothing made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW to save up to 30% at https://drdrew.com/cozy • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

welcome everybody everybody because uh today we have brian o'shea and naomi wolf coming in and our producers are already spinning like tops as brian o'shea uh approached the mic tonight he's of course an intelligence analyst private investigator his day-in-day-out life is consulting he served 11 years in the military active duty he works again um has worked for senior consultant and subject matter expert for two of the u.s government's top intelligence agencies and he sees fingerprints all over everything uh that you might not see and of course naomi has been ringing the alarm for quite some time she's very kindly coming to us from london uh where she is engaged engaged with something that will be very interesting to

discuss as well. She is recognized as one of the most influential feminist writers, and yet has been attacked more recently by some of the feminist community. She came from Yale, doctorate at Oxford, written some very important books. Most recently, Give Me Liberty and the End of America, co-founder and CEO of of daily cloud we'll be on with both of them right after this our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre a psychopath started this right he was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography ptsd love addiction fentanyl and heroin ridiculous i'm a doctor for say where the hell you think i learned that i'm just, you go to treatment before you kill people.

I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want help stopping, I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. peppers. Capsodin is made with a proprietary formula that contains no non-steroidal anti-inflammatory agents, no opioids, no anesthetic or steroid, nothing, no chance for addiction, no side effects,

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But first, let's quickly go through the schedule, if you don't mind, of what's coming up. Just, again, I'm watching you guys on Restream and over at the Rumble Rants as well. That means YouTube, Twitter, Twitch, when he says Restream. Yes, where you guys can get on the Restream and chat, and I see you there. Patrick, Bet David, Nicarla Treadway tomorrow,

Jamie Metzl on the 18th, Gabriel Shipton, Kyle Kemper, Salty Cracker on June 27th, or maybe, yeah, June 27th, maybe an early show that day, I'm guessing. Andrew Huff, Dr. Christine Stubbell, Ben, Stubbell, Ben. It's a lot, and we've got great guests lined up beyond that. Poor Barsh, I just throw one after another to her as I see people that look interesting to me, and she goes after them. So let's welcome our guests today, which are no exception, our friend Naomi Wolf. Naomi,

of course, Dr. Naomi Wolf. She's a PhD and bestselling author, columnist, professor from Yale and Oxford. And then her husband, Brian O'Shea, who's an intelligence analyst and consultant. Guys, welcome to the program. There you are. Thank you so much for having us. Thanks for having us. Thanks for having us. I am so sorry to keep you up at midnight there, whatever it is. Brian was sketching for me a little bit about what you are into there. Can you tell us a little bit about it or is this something you can't speak about? No, it's totally public. Forgive me, we may have a little bit of a delay on the line. And so if I talk over you, it's not rudeness.

It's just technology. Understood. It's a pleasure to be talking to you even at this time of night. I'd rather be talking to you and your team in the middle of the night than to anyone else at any other time of day. Listen to her. Remember that one, Susan. Write that down. That's how to schmooze your host.

So what I'm here for is really historic. The commentator Mark Stein, who has been a well-respected journalist and columnist for decades and had a show on GB News Network in which he invited me on in October of 2022. And I presented the findings of the War Room Daily Cloud Pfizer documents research team with which your audience is familiar, our group of 3,250 doctors and scientists who have issued 104 reports about what's in the Pfizer documents. This appearance was so inflammatory to Ofcom, which is Britain's media regulator. Believe it or not, they have an agency that regulates electronic appearances, TV and video appearances. So Ofcom, which is a government agency, and I was criticizing the people who rolled out these injections, which are government governments, right, including Britain's, although I didn't single them out. Ofcom was so upset by this that they sanctioned Mr. Stein and he lost his show. They went after GB News. GB News decided not to fight, essentially.

And they went ahead and trashed Mr. Stein's reputation very aggressively. They also sought to trash my reputation very aggressively. They told the whole world, but certainly all of English speaking news outlets in Britain and related countries around the world that I was a conspiracy theorist. And so to his credit, Mark Stein has sued them. And this was Mark Stein's day in court. It was a court hearing, a judicial review in which a judge was overseeing Ofcom's decision, hearing the presentation from Mark Stein's lawyers, hearing the presentation from Ofcom's lawyers, and she'll decide whether Ofcom made a mistake. But it was a very dramatic day.

It's interesting how few news outlets showed up in Britain, even though this decision radically affects them and what they can say and their freedoms of speech or restrictions on speech, because it's had such a chilling effect, Ofcom's actions, that no one wants to tangle with them in Britain. They've seen what happened to Mark Stein. They've seen what happened to me. And they're just terrified. But it was very dramatic for me because in the middle of the proceedings, I was told that I was allowed to submit a witness statement, which I'd stayed up late the night

before to write. They hadn't told me in advance that I could do that. So I briefly pleaded essentially with the court to allow me to submit it. The judge reviewed it and she finally allowed me to submit it. I've posted on my Substack and it's, I think, a blistering defense of Mark Stein, of the Pfizer documents reports, of the importance of the findings, which are being recognized and honored now around the world. Our volunteers have presented to the Brazilian parliament. They're presenting to the president of South Korea. They were being syndicated all over the world.

They presented to the Australian parliament twice. They presented to Ron Johnson, a senator, and Tom Massey's staff, a congressman, on and on and on. And so the whole world is realizing, and you broke this story among other independent news sites long ago. So basically, the whole world is realizing that these documents, these findings are important and factual and life-saving. And Ofcom alone is standing against parliaments and judges and governing bodies that are all realizing that a terrible mistake has been made. And I'll just end by saying, additionally, in terms of litigation and judicial decisions elsewhere, more and more decisions very recently have gone against both the distributors of this injection and the people like the White House who tried to smear and censor critics of the vaccine like me and Jay Bhattacharya. And the Supreme Court is deciding that right now, and it's been

successful till now. And they are also, AstraZeneca was pulled off the market last month around the world, but also in Britain, due to thrombotic thrombocytopenia, which we had disclosed two years ago, you know, from our findings. So it's an extraordinary situation, which pretty soon everyone will know that Mark Stein was right and that I was right to bring these facts forward. And Ofcom alone is trying to hold the information stream of Britain hostage, essentially. So that was my statement. And I ended by making some points about the history of censorship law in Britain, which was actually a subject of my doctoral thesis. Censorship doesn't work. You know, state censors, whatever they try to do, ultimately the truth comes out. And that's been true of, you know, the British state and the American state trying to censor information about birth control or information about, you know, gay and lesbian relationships or books like Animal Farm or The Well of Loneliness or Ulysses, sooner or later, the truth comes out.

Censorship doesn't work. So this is an historic decision this judge is going to make, and I hope that she chooses free speech for Britain. It's interesting that you frame it that way in that historical context because I'm going to give up a talk up in Canada. And I pulled the old newspaper article of Emile Zola, the Jacques Hughes article. And in there, totally different thing, the Dreyfus Affair or whatnot. But in there, he goes, the truth is marching. The vérité est en marche.

And it's like, and I thought, oh, this is it. And he goes on to say, and you can bury it underground, but the more you bury it underground, the more it comes up and explodes and can destroy things if you're not careful. But it's essentially something that builds energy. And that's so interesting that you're sort of making that same, here we are again, as you said, making the same case. But let's say, I'm curious what their argument was. Let's just say what you presented was inaccurate or false in some way, but it was your opinion and it was properly researched and presented and it was an opinion. But let's say it turns out to be incorrect or

not as right as you think it is or something, something in that order. What is their defense for censoring public discourse? Right. Well, that is a great question. And as always, you go to the heart of the matter. Unfortunately, Ofcom has been given an insane brief by the British Parliament in the sense that they have been given a mandate to protect British audiences from harm, right? So what is harm? So Ofcom isn't arguing that what I said is not true. And they've made that point, their lawyers made that point again and again, especially after they read my statement with all its citations. They said, what Dr. Wolf is saying may well be true. She could be telling the truth. It could be true. That doesn't matter. And then the judge said, well, why are you calling her

a conspiracy theorist if what she's saying is true or could be true? And they replied, conspiracy theories can be true, which of course made everyone in the packed courthouse burst out laughing. But they're not saying, and they don't have to say, that what I said is false. They're simply making the case that it causes harm. So what is harm? Harm is upsetting people. It could mean that I'm causing harm to the people that I describe as having committed mass murder. And I am literally using that phrase according to the Britannica's definition of mass murder, because there are 1,225 deaths in the Pfizer documents. And in two of our reports, many of the adverse events, including deaths, took place with 48 hours after the injection. Or they could define harm as

keeping people from making a decision that would protect their health during a raging pandemic. So then that gets to the question of, are these injections in fact protecting people? And we know now from the Pfizer documents and other research that they never protected people in the first place. Pfizer concluded a month after rollout in November 2020 that the vaccines didn't work to stop COVID. And in fact, COVID is the third most common side effect. So they didn't define harm well, but they don't have to. And they made that case also their mandate is so broad and as i said in my statement you know the 1857 censors of the obscene publications act would be astonished at the breadth the sweeping powers that offcom has been given to just censor anything if they say it causes harm so um they didn't define it but they just kept calling me a conspiracy theorist. And they also, oh, this was hilarious. They said that Mark Stein's fault was that he allowed me to be authoritative,

that I was presented as an authority. And so they're saying, I'm in trouble because I told the truth, or it doesn't matter that I told the truth, and I'm in trouble because I presented authoritatively. And that as a result of that, if I had been less authoritative or he had presented me as being less authoritative, he wouldn't have had his career destroyed. And by the way, every time you presented your data to me, you always start out with, I'm not a physician, I'm not a scientist, but these people that collect the data are, we have this amazing team that we put together. You always put that in there. Did you forget to do that this time?

Not in any way. It's not my work, A. B, all of these reports link to the primary Pfizer documents. C, you can download all 104 of them for free from the upper right-hand corner of dailycloud.io. The book is for sale in Britain on Amazon at this moment. You know, it was a top 10 Amazon bestseller. Like everyone already knows that this is authoritative material. It's been three years almost without a legal letter from Pfizer, you know, let alone one stating that we've made any kind of error.

The accuracy of these reports is not in doubt. So Ofcom is in a really interesting, historically pathetic situation of fighting a rearguard action against a truth that has already made its way around the world. Naomi, for me, though, the real story is what this story has been from the beginning, that Dr. Redfield admitted that when they went after COVID, they did not contemplate the consequences of their actions. So these are people who are physicians or medical professionals who do not contemplate the risk-reward of their medical, non-pharmacological medical interventions like lockdowns, like six feet. These things had consequences.

At the time, I said clearly, we are going to destroy children, particularly 8 to 15-year-olds. No doubt, mental health consequences, the cognitive consequences have to be profound. And I did not imagine that counties like what I'm in would do it for two years. The degree to which they, they continued that destructive policy was uncanny. So for me, shouldn't the issue be not the rightness or wrongness or authoritativeness or the,

the, you know, it's, it really goes to, you can't handle the truth bullshit of the public and the more, the moral hazard of suppressing discourse that is a massive moral hat that does more harm than any of this and how come they can't see that yeah i mean i have to say i get very very angry when i hear people like Dr. Redfield issuing that soundbite, because it is a soundbite.

I advised a presidential campaign, Bill Clinton's presidential campaign. I advised a vice president, Vice President Al Gore. I was the wife of a White House speechwriter. I know how decisions are made in the White House and aligned agencies. It's their job to think about consequences, right? This notion that, oh, we're just a bunch of scientists and we're in love with our formula or our algorithm or our model. And we just didn't think about what would happen to children if they're locked in their home for a year and a half. That is nonsense. No one who works in government is allowed to make that case to their boss or to the, you know, allowed to say we didn't think about the future. Policy is thinking about the future. Policy by definition is how will this rollout of an activity or a statute or a mandate, which is a whole new thing, affect the future.

It is nonsense. There is no carve out of we're just scientists and we could have thought about what would happen to the American people if we did this to them. That is not how government works. Well, nor should it be how Ofcom does, even given their broad stroke, their broad authority. Broad authority does not mean that it must be wielded. It has to be wielded with great power crumbs, great responsibility, the so-called Spider-Man problem. But let me, you and I could go on all day about this stuff.

So let me get to your husband. You kindly almost tried to bring him in here. We almost got him into the conversation because Brian, you're the one everyone is all jacked up about today. And then Naomi can play chorus on that, which is fear. I think,

I think the, the, the place I want to start and this off-com thing is not an exception to that because it helped, you know, by, by the way they generate fear is with, I mean,

one of the fundamental ways is censorship and then propaganda, right? Those are the two tools that they use to do this. So my question is, is, and this is for Brian, are there, is there global fear? Is there a attempt to generate global fear? That's my first question. And the corollary to that is, how do you know when you should be afraid? And how do you know when it's sort of like legitimate fear versus indoctrinated that is how do you know when you should be afraid and how do you know when it's uh sort of uh like legitimate fear versus indoctrinated fear how do you know

three questions and let me answer the second one first thanks for having me on darling nice to see you um we are a sea apart so um do I call one of you sweetheart also? Is that, is that, is that okay? Do I say sweetheart's good or no? You called me sweetheart before the show. I thought that was for good.

I thought that was just between you and I. I was getting coffee. What happened? So the first one, what we always say is, you know, prepare for the, you know, hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

So I would say with all of the different pandemics, whatever we call them these days, I don't know, because they've gone outside of the medical field. You should be always ready for anything that can affect your life, such as gun violence or the flu or something like that. You shouldn't dismiss it entirely, even if they do plan it. Because like I always tell people, even if they've manufactured COVID, they still manufactured it. So you still have to prepare for that. But obviously, you don't want to take advice on preparation from the very people that made you sick or are pointing the gun at you. So that's how I would answer that. Right now, I would say we do need to be afraid of our own government and the international bodies they've pretty much decided to almost partner with or even hand the reins of power to, such as the WHO and the WTO, the UN, you name it. And the reason why is because this government, this Biden administration seems dead set on eliminating the sovereignty of the United States from our money to our identity, to our history, to our very gender identity at some

points. So I would say, yeah, prepare, but also I want to follow their recommendations on locking down or anything. I would say with no doubt, with no ambiguity, do not comply. But again, this goes at the heart of my question a little bit. Let's say it's a... Well, so let's refine that a little bit. So let's say the next pandemic is an Ebola that's airborne somehow and has a 50% fatality rate. You will naturally lock down. You will naturally stay home with that kind of a number out there, with that kind of fatality

rate. Is that what you were saying specifically? Like, don't not be appropriately precaution, take appropriate precautions when necessary. Don't comply with mandates that seem, particularly those that seem ridiculous. Yeah, exactly. I mean, common sense. Like with the last one, when they said fresh air and vitamin C won't help you

and vitamin D won't help you. I'm like, well, that seems odd. Those type of things. Or that racism is a public health emergency and therefore those people can go protest in large groups, but everyone else has to lock down. This is common sense. It just, you know, if it looks stupid, smells stupid, it is stupid.

My fear with this particular administration is, and I'm sure people have talked about this, what if it actually is an acute threat, let's say, in the health space? My fear is that, even for me, I probably won't lock down until I see, you know. Brian, guess what? You'll have me. You'll have your own doctor. You'll have people you can go to.

As we have always done through history, you didn't need somebody in Sacramento or in Albany or wherever you are. Unless they censor you. Yeah, unless they censor. Well, they still can't prevent our communication, but they can make me frightened that I'm going to lose my license if I dare to tell him something. But we can work together as we have always done. So the decentralization is what works and works best.

And guess what? You and I can figure out what your risk is and what you should do about it. Yeah, absolutely. Amen to that. But I would say this. So they're very, very clever because you guys had mentioned propaganda as a tool. What they also use is something called covert influence, and that is the manipulation of the reality you see. So whereas propaganda is the broadcast, the paintbrush, the paint, COVID influences changing the canvas. So, for example, all of a sudden you're like, yeah, this is BS.

I'm not going to listen to this. But then you see the neighbors are out there and they're doing it. And then you see it's on radio shows and in music and in graffiti. And comedians are talking about it. And it's on the back of soccer players' jerseys. Well, that's all by design in the COVID pandemic that was called vaccine confidence activities. What that is, is that is creating a beat and a rhythm to change the way you view reality. And suddenly you start doubting your own take on reality like maybe i was wrong it's almost like an induced uh mandela effect that they push it's it's the it's a very effective tool well it's something that i've been really preoccupied with uh because

it's the one thing that i can i feel like I should study coming out of the pandemic is really the mass delusion that the whole world signed up for it. The whole world. It's just so astonishing to me. And I thought, you know, when it was unfolding, I thought it was the press being the press trying to attract eyes because they're in their death throes. And here's a chance for them to create a panic and get some eyes on them. I never imagined that government would be involved with that. But for you, it must just be matter of fact. I never thought our government would be involved with that sort of thing against us. So I'd seen that sort of thing. I may or may not have,

can't confirm or deny, architected those type of things but those are for things like counterterrorism like don't join a bad group and kill people and you use those tactics to keep people from those groups but when i started seeing a slow down pattern was is the pattern the one that mike benz points out that white supremacy is the most significant threat to uh american democracy and white supremacy is the most significant threat to American democracy and white supremacy is a domestic issue. Therefore, I can turn the intelligence community internally with their terror tactics? I would say that's part of it, but you don't really need to turn the direction of the intel community. They're going to do what they're told and it's compartmentalized

so they're not going to see the big picture. There's also no internet in a lot of these agencies. It's air-gapped. You have the intranet in there, but a lot of times it's not that they're unaware of what's happening in the outside world. They just don't feel like they are part of

the outside world. And I say this from experience. I've told Naomi many times it feels like I'm in one of those air bubbles in Aquaman and the rest of the world's underwater and I'm in here in Clarity Land because I know so much. I never felt like a part of that world. So you're very detached from it. So there's really no emotional attachment to it, except for your friends and family in the neighborhood. That is a frightening observation. Well, let's do this. We have to hear from the people that support us and we want to make sure we support them. So we appreciate you guys all listening to this. When we get back, I want to give Naomi a chance to ring in on what you've just said, what it's like to be a family member of someone who lives in the bubble, number one.

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All right, let's bring our friends in, Brian O'Shea and Naomi Wolf. Naomi, we're keeping her up late in London, late at night. Did you have anything to follow on to what Brian and I were just saying, Naomi? No, I mean, you know, hearing Brian's description, and I don't mean kind of in detail because he can't describe things in that kind of detail um about how thoroughly agencies can you know really alter the reality or alter the perception of people and and people think it's entirely organic right has been completely eye-opening to me um and it connects a lot of dots and the other thing that i've learned well i've learned so many things him, but one of them is when he's described unwitting assets, you know, people who might be moving a culture in a certain

direction and, and it's good for the agenda of powerful people behind them, even though the unwitting assets don't even realize that they're moving, um, an agenda on a bigger chessboard, um, than, than their own, uh, goals. Um, that's been eyeopening, but I, you know, I, I want to echo what he said. Uh, our agencies are supposed to do those things to other countries. Um, they're not supposed to do them to Americans. And in fact, I think that it was illegal until, um, recently to propagandize Americans, right. Just like it was illegal to, to wiretap Americans. You know all kinds of protections from that kind of manipulation in the United States that are now gone. And people really need to wake up and repass some legislation to say, no, you can't propagandize us. You can't bail us. You can't wiretap us. We need to be Americans again. And Brian, I completely agree with you. Brian, back to what we were talking about. Should we be fearful of the

globalist elite? And follow on to that, do they have anything to do with the illegal immigrant invasion that appears to be upon us? I don't fear any people that sit around boardrooms and wear suits. I do fear their fumbling hands not realizing the powers they're dealing with. For instance, poking that bear,

that's Russia and nuclear armed. They might think they can negotiate their way out of it when it gets too real. But that's called mirror imaging. It's something we were taught in the intelligence community never to fall into, such as, well, they'll be logical. They won't do that. Well, people think differently, and you have to put yourself in those heads. On another note, to answer the other question, they're 100% part of the illegal invasion, as we call it, of illegal aliens coming across not only our borders, but the borders of many countries. And with this, it has many, many impacts. For example, it is diluting the American vote.

It is bringing down unemployment. The IMF just three weeks ago announced almost joyously how they were happy to see that global minimum wage had come down since the start of 2021. And then there's very specific examples. The NGOs involved are making millions of dollars. They're getting paid money through HHS to hand out these cards, these cash cards, to bus people around. And they're making a ton of money, little for them, little for everyone else. And it's sad because I don't blame the illegal aliens that are actually coming here for a better life. I would do it too. But the thing is, they're not even getting plane tickets a lot of times. Our friend Hernando Arce down on the border,

because they're supposed to get plane tickets from these NGOs to anywhere in the country. And a lot of times the NGOs will make these illegal aliens wait like two weeks, just baking in the sun, and then say, you got to buy another plane ticket. So they'll buy, the illegal aliens will find a way to get someone else to give them a plane ticket. And then the NGOs are refunding them and getting cash for those as well. And there is something called the tent partnership that people should be well aware of. That is a whole group of companies from Pfizer to Choice Hotel Group. I mean, so many of these big agricultural contingent companies that have provided the funding and the infrastructure for a lot of these NGOs that

popped up, a lot of these new arrival type agencies that you see popping up in cities to help get illegal aliens housing, cars even without a license. And it's called the Tent Partnership. And it's something everyone should pay attention to because it's almost like it's being run by a boardroom who has no idea the impact it's having on the ground or doesn't care that of course they have an idea of what's happening on the ground but so absolutely profit-driven type of deal here what would why would corp let me ask naomi this question do you have any sense why corporations we would be involved in this way? Me? I think that there's a war on sovereignty. I mean, I'm echoing Brian in that

regard, but I tend to come at it from kind of a cultural perspective just because of my background and training in culture. And cultures are very, very valuable. and we kind of didn't, it's like, you don't know what you've got till it's gone. Right. We, we don't pay attention to culture because it's free and it's all around us. And, but cultures are incredibly delicate, incredibly precious and Western cultures are pretty great. I mean, there's a reason people want to come, you know, from countries where women are, have forced clitoridectomies or, you know, are married at 10 or, you know, people are enslaved in various ways, they want to come to the West because we have a whole different set of moral codes and laws that took centuries, if not

millennia, to evolve, right? And so the moral codes of the West provide, and the sovereignty of nations of the West provide a bulwark against the plans of the globalists, which are really to create a kind of feudalist parking lot where there's tons of cheap labor and we're all kind of chipped and tracked and we really just don't have any choice anymore. A handful of people get to run everything and a handful of people get to have choice and meet and, you know, jet flights and so on. But sovereignty resists that, faith resists that, families resist that, culture, national cultures deeply resist that. And so what, you know, at what has there been

war waged over the last four years? It's been the things that resist this globalist dilution of identity. You know, you're not allowed to show, someone just told me yesterday, you're not allowed to show the British flag in Britain because it's considered racist and offensive. And in America, kids are being, you know, dragged to the principal's office for putting the stars and stripes on, you know, on their backpacks or mentioning, you know, God in their speeches. I mean, all over the world, but especially in the West, you see these same erasures. And so humans are being used as a weapon with these migrations. I mean, I'm here in London, it's completely unrecognizable from just five years before

we went to the Netherlands and it was unrecognizable. And, you know, I'm the daughter of immigrants, granddaughter of immigrants. I obviously believe in, you know, limited legal, sustainable immigration and every country deciding for themselves if and how much immigration they want, right? That's what citizens are supposed to do. But what's clearly visible in Western Europe and North America is that human bodies from all over the world, but especially countries that really don't share our values, right, are being flung at us in order to just take off the map. What is France? What is being French? What is being English? What is being American? What is being Canadian? Because if you dilute all of that, then there's no one to say, hey, wait a minute, you can't do that

because that's unconstitutional. Or you can't erase our whole history because our history is valuable. Because of course, Marxists love to erase history and globalists love to erase history. That's how they, you know, start to plant their own flags, essentially. And also there's no unity, right? You've got people from all over the world who don't speak the same language, who've given up trying to speak the same language, at least in New York. That's how I'm feeling that these immigrants are very different from many legal immigrants or people who work for years to get a green card who just want to be American, right? Same with Britain. People came who just wanted to be British,

and then they became British, no matter where they'd come from originally. That's a beautiful thing, but that's not what's happening now. And so you're getting these masses of people who really don't care about America or about Britain, right? And can't communicate with one another. And that's a perfect stew for globalists to move in and say, okay, quarantine camps, or, you know, okay, no more flag, no more Shakespeare, no more, you know, family life, we're going to take your kids. We're going to transition them without your knowledge, all the nasty things they want to do. You mentioned the French. I've had my eye on them. I think I've spoken to you about it because I

noticed what they were doing was starting to openly consider what is it that we are? What does it mean to be French? First, they had the youth rebelling against mandates because it was not consistent with the founding principle of liberty in the original republic constitution. And then secondly, I find them really examining. They're opening the books again on almost all of their history and going, now, wait a minute. Maybe this isn't so bad. And maybe we do have something to offer. And maybe being French is something we need to really protect.

So I've had my eye on them. And then it's no surprise, you said, that the culture wars generate feelings. Even though the culture is fragile, now you've got Marie Le Pen. Now you've got all these things coming in. And it really is about the culture that they're trying to, that seems to me to be the one line in the sand that really gets people mobilized and united. Absolutely. And it's such a minefield, right? Because just talking about immigration leaves you open, all you, if you dare to say, I'm really concerned about the fact that there are barracks and barracks of, you know, people who've entered

the country unlawfully that we're giving millions of dollars of the New York City budget to and kids in my neighborhood in Brooklyn and our neighborhood in Brooklyn from lower income families, you know, are not getting decent food to eat, you're a racist, right? You can't say America first, right? You can't be like listening to the pejoratives, nationalist, populist, what's wrong with being patriotic, right? It's been the idea that you love your country has been so tarred as a racist or xenophobic position. But what you say is absolutely correct. I mean, again, it's that negative proof, right? We pay no attention to our cultures until we realize that they're under attack. And then the next organic important question is, what is it to be American, right? What is it to be american right what is it to be french what are

our values and it turns out that culture is a social contract right it's a set of agreements and and these are real right like for instance in in the united states we may not approve not everyone approves of um gay sex right there There are people who don't, for religious reasons, prove of it. But our social contract is we don't execute people for gay sex like they do in Egypt, for instance, or in Lebanon. So that's an agreement. You know, the agreement that women are equal to men, my gosh, that took centuries. That took generations, you know, more recently of women fighting for those rights to be equal to men in the law. That's a precious thing. And you get, you know, millions of people from cultures where they just don't believe that women are equal to men.

And eventually they'll be in a position to change the law if they want to. So the women won't be equal to men in the United States. That's very scary. So it is time to reflect all over the West. What does it mean to be American? What are our values? What does it mean to be French and so on? What does it mean to be Irish? And those are not racist things to do.

You know, if they're not racist, they're not racist. Yeah, right. And it's interesting. You mentioned the people coming to countries and assimilating. Susan, I'm thinking about your graduate from college. She was a history major at UCLA. The head of the history department got up and said, the melting pot is a racist concept. There should be many different communities that are separate but equal. There should be no melting pot and that any movement

towards a melting pot was violence do you remember that susan i remember that i remember that i remember so clearly i grew up with the melting pot metaphor in the 60s and 70s and that was what we were all supposed to aspire to it's so beautiful and cozy and yummy and then all of a sudden there's and this is what it goes back to the point Brian made, that the powers that be are really able to construct cultural beats, right, and repeat them and repeat them. So all of a sudden in the mid 70s into the early 80s, it was racist to celebrate a melting pot. Everyone had to be a salad bowl was the stupid metaphor, right? Everyone was distinct. And then that evolved into multicultural.

Like we weren't one culture anymore. We had to have lots of cultures. And then there was the hyphenation. I wrote an essay about this. So it's easy to recreate, you know, African-American instead of just American, you know, Asian-American instead of American, right? Italian-American used to be American, right? And so, and now I went to my Yale 43 reunion and I literally kind of left early because there were a set of receptions in the afternoon. And it was like the Asian American Society reception, the LGBTQ Society reception, the African American Society reception, the La Casa Española Society reception. And I'm like, I'm just a Jewish lady who likes free speech. Where do I go who likes free speech but well be careful by those identities well but i i don't know i i as long as there is a melting pot i'm all for people sustaining their culture within that you know what i mean you can you can do both

you know we've always done that in america you go you go that's that's what america is but you yeah but we're now in a place where for you to even say that is racist or xenophobic you know that you want you want a unity right a unity and and protection for the individual differences but susan do you remember that lecture do you remember you you were in the auditorium? Yeah, I didn't know what it meant at the time. I mean, I knew what it meant, but I didn't know how far it was going to go. I didn't either.

I didn't either. It caught my attention. I thought, oh, this is interesting. This seems like a departure. And here we are. I had a lot of warning signs in those days. Yeah, that's right. You brought some home.

And then everything was on the back page of the newspaper. And that's why Susan is so worried about the Chinese government because she studied a lot of Chinese history. And Russia and Afghanistan and ISIS and all that other stuff. And let me go back to Brian. So ISIS is back in the discourse again. And it seems like we started this conversation talking about fear. It seems like they are now having a multi-pronged field day or what should we call it?

Is this a salad also, Naomi? A salad bowl of fear-based propagandistic. Yeah. But some of it, again, the reason I started this conversation with what's legitimate and what isn't, I mean, when a Russian warship and submarine cruises past the coast of Florida and is right up next to an American cruise liner, I mean, this is- I would be shitting myself. Not just shitting yourself. Why is it? I mean, if they were using that as a, I mean, they're evoking fear in me but they don't seem to be making

maximal use of it if that's what it's all about well i i don't think so i don't think everything is um run by the geniuses in the biden administration i think they've really pissed Russia off by allowing and targeting Russian ground radars that are there to detect incoming ICBMs. That happened last week. And they're just taking the Ukrainians supposedly are taking these out with American weapons. Translate that into our advisors who are actually the operators of that equipment are most likely taking out those weapons. Also, all of our satellites have been retasked to look at Russia, which is what you do for getting ready to strike someone to make sure you can see their counter strike coming ahead of time. So the Russian naval maneuvers, I think that's a real thing. I think that's a show

of force because we're kind of at war with Russia. They said last week, we are the enemy. For some reason, Biden's like, hey, yeah, sure, Ukraine, use our weapons to make strikes into Russia, a nuclear power.

It's insanity. Just not Moscow. Don't go too deep. What is that? Maybe they won't notice? Gut not head, right? You know, so that I think is very real because they're not pumping it up.

Because the media is not pumping it up. Oh, that's interesting. So the ones that they don't amplify are the ones we should focus in on. That's interesting. Okay, that's kind of what I are the ones we should focus in on. That's interesting. Okay. That's kind of what I was looking for. What to fear and not fear. But then we have ISIS arrest and we have ISIS.

We have all kinds of other things. Tell me about those things that they are using. All right. Well, the ISIS thing, they screwed up. So I made a list this morning and JJ Carroll and I, we have a show on Daily Cloud called Unrestricted Invasion. We did the five top candidates for the next pandemic. I think it comes at us from multiple vectors. And my first one, national security, number one, instigate a Russian threat that exists

or make it worse than it has to be. Dangerous game with a nuclear power. The other one was make sure a scary islamic terrorist group comes through the open border because a couple weeks ago all the way back to 2021 the rhinos or the republicans name only and the democrats and the legacy media they didn't seem to care about anything happening at the border as As a matter of fact, they were saying there was no border crisis and that there was no open border. Then all of a sudden this week, this week, right after Trump got charged for things that we are not sure what they are, they're certainly not crimes. But right after that happened, they ramp up all of this fear.

And the scary Islamic terrorist group, see, that's where they screwed up. They chose ISIS-K. Now, you may recall ISIS-K from August 2021, when they call it the fall of Kabul. What it is, the guy who falls gave them Kabul, that being Biden. And all of a sudden, there was this ISIS-K thing, this sweeping through Afghanistan. And you may recall, Dr. Drew and Naomi, they were actually trying to get us to cheer for Taliban at that time. It fell flat, but they were like, hey, the Taliban is the only thing holding them back. Well, ISIS-K is kind of like, it is not really much of a thing. It was a splinter group of 50 Al-Qaeda veterans who moved into Syria in 2014. And then all of a sudden, there's this massive army sweeping through all of Afghanistan. So it's based off something called the Khorasan

group. So now all of a sudden, they're like, hey, it's ISIS-K. Remember those guys that took down Afghanistan? Well, now they're here. Now you may recall two months ago, the Biden administration also blamed ISIS-K on those Russian terror attacks that happened at that theater. Within hours, Biden was out there saying, is ISIS-K? So ISIS-K is the ultimate straw man. But it's kind of a ridiculous one because it doesn't take much research to see that this administration has even changed the history of ISIS-K and the name. It was Corazon Group, then it was IS-K, then it was ISIS-K. Now, the last two names came in in 2021, just in time for Kabul to be handed over to the Taliban. And now they're

saying they're here, they're saying they attacked the Russians. So you see where they've kind of prepped this whole fear thing. And just to make sure Americans are extra scared of Islamic extremism. Maybe I'm throwing a wild spitball here, but why not have extra violent pro-Hamas protests all over the country at once that are terrifying to people that aren't around or involved with them? So it's almost like audience prep to get ready to be terrified of Islamic terrorists. It seems so counterintuitive.

It seems like, I know what the feelings I have is the opposite. It's like, we need somebody in here to, we need some adults in charge of our government to sort of take care of business. How do they expect this to work in their direction? Well, the way they expect it to work in their direction is they're giving themselves multiple reasons to shut down the election. And that's how I feel like this is truly, and there, there is a hierarchy of greed, I would call it.

So at the political level, their goal is the election. Then at the globalist level, their goal is a global governance. That's where the borders go. And also rule by bureaucracy at the INT, the dot INT or international level. That's what the WHO treaty is the international health regulations all based on one health um and then above that i always say and a lot of people they're like no that's not true um is the is the communist plan which has been going on since the 20s um to go susan turn the world communist um and that's, so as, you know,

as the politicians are doing their thing and saying, yeah, we're going to win because of this, there's people pushing them. There's an invisible hand pushing them. That'd be the globalists saying, yeah, that's a good idea because that direction is meeting their needs at the globalist level. Then as the globalists are doing their thing, then there's the invisible hands of

the chinese communist party saying that's a great idea keep going it because it's serving the ends but it's it's kind of rolling uphill and the ultimate goal for the chinese is the china rejuvenation 2049 where china has stated they will be the global hesham on and uh to pile on what naomi said about uh what lennon called the useful idiots i think you had a unwitting assets i think is what she called them um everybody everybody is the unwitting ass oh susan wants to talk she's stirred up by what you said no no no you go well i was gonna i was gonna have naomi pile on a little bit that everybody becomes the unwitting asset of the chinese communist party really as you said

it's there's a hierarchy of power greed and the fact is the top is the is the communist agenda particularly chinese communist agenda and we all become one way or another useful idiots for them yeah i'm thoroughly persuaded by brian's analysis mean, I sort of traced something parallel in my book, The Bodies of Others. Who's the they, right? And so I'm thoroughly convinced that it's these kind of NGOs at the top, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the World Health Organization, the World Economic Forum. But they're aligned with China. And China is ultimately, I'm persuaded by Brian waiting to checkmate all of them ultimately, and all of us. And you can see the elite capture. I mean, I keep going back to my Yale reunion, but that's partly because it was like an x-ray of how our

country's being taken over in some ways. There was a discussion about China on one of the panels, and one of the speakers made fun of MAGA and right-wing people who see a threat of an invasion of our country through the border by immigration that serves as an act of war by China or a way for China to infiltrate the United States. And everyone burst out laughing. And, you know, when the elites burst out laughing, it means that they are in bed in some way or their interests are in bed in some way with the people who may be being dislodged if enough Americans said, wait a minute, maybe China, maybe we are vulnerable to China. I mean, I'm thoroughly persuaded. My husband has a very capacious brain. And so what kind of can't be fit into short bursts on this show perhaps is when he says, look, China has encircled the ports. They've bought up all the

port land around San Diego. Here's Seattle that they've bought up. Here's the farmland that they've bought up. They bought up the water supplies of the Great Lakes, you know, and he goes on and on and on. They bought up cigarette manufacturing. They bought up the Smithfield pork manufacturing. There's, and I sit in the car with him, you know, and he's like, oh, and he'll just say, oh, well, you know, Smith, they engineered the pork to put four times the protein into it. And then there's a lesser version of pork that has less protein. So, of course, they're sending the high quality protein pork to the People's Liberation Army soldiers and Americans get the low quality pork with less protein. So they're engineering, as he points out, this reversal of the big, strong soldiers will be Chinese and the weak hapless pathetic soldiers will be our own um so this this narrative over the course of now two and a half years really

adds up to an incredibly persuasive picture that um that we are you know being undermined taken over invaded uh and that there are indeed these layers of greed, and these entities don't always work in alignment, and some of them don't share the same agenda with others. I don't think the World Economic Forum is Marxist, but I think there's a new kind of globalist, oligarchical Marxism that is a nasty blend of all of these tyrannical impulses. And I think for sure, all these people have learned from Marxism, right? Like when you see the erasure of history, it's a learning from the Marxist playbook.

When you see demoralization, subversion. And Naomi, I wanted to add to that too. There is some Western hubris, I think, and some ignorance of China that they also laugh because they don't know. I think, and some ignorance of China that they also laugh because they don't know. They think they know, but they don't know. And they know China's bad, but they've never really researched China in depth. And also there is that kind of hubris. We kind of saw that with Biden's we'll eat their lunch speech, where people really do,

they see that China is a developing nation technically at the wto at the world trade organization and i've heard our friends who research a lot of the same stuff but they're focused on on the world economic forum they're like oh china's just a junior partner it's like if you knew anything about china you you would know globalists that they don't share a table with anyone go ahead sorry to interrupt you well wait a table with anyone. Go ahead. Sorry to interrupt you. Well, wait, wait. Hold on a second. No, no.

Susan, I know, wants to jump in on this because this is her. No, I agree with him 100%. Yeah, this is her thing. She's been saying this for a long time. So go ahead, Naomi. I'm sorry. No, that's pretty much it. I mean, we're in a steep learning curve as a nation because, and again, this is a point Brian made long ago, and I'm persuaded by it, we're not used to wars being fought like this.

So we don't recognize it, right? We're used to wars being fought with an attack on Pearl Harbor or an invasion by the Red, you know, the twin towers exploding. I mean, and we're also very unused to war, right? We've been a very blessed country. And I think interestingly, that's why Brian and I, and people like, um, Laura Logan, um, are so freaked out because, you know, I, as journalists, Brian, as a veteran Brian as a veteran, and Laura Logan as a journalist have been in war zones. And so we're like, this is war. We see that this is war. This is how people behave in war. This is how resources are, you know, consolidated in war. This is the nature of rights and civil protections being stripped away in war. and people who just are not used to war.

Like my suburb is fine. Everything's fine. The same stuff is on TV or Netflix. Everything's fine. I don't know what you're talking about. But just to, to wrap up this thought that we're on a steep learning curve because it's not a traditional war because it's what Brian has explained to me often

unrestricted warfare, which is you tenderize the enemy, you wear the enemy down kind of surreptitiously before the enemy even knows what's happening. And then you don't even need to fire a shot, right? That's a real victory from a Chinese martial playbook of many centuries, I gather, as a result of the unusualness of that to us, they're making quite a lot of progress without our seeing at all what's going on. You know, I'm beginning to see a lot of, I'm sort of constructing little models in my head of various psychological phenomenon that are in excess that are creating some of the present problem. But hubris is definitely one of them. And the lack of humility, which is everywhere. This irrational certitude, as Joseph Freiman said, whether it's in science or whether it's

the government, it's just wild to me. Humility should be our constant posture irrational uncertainty is the nature of reality and when i see the laughter it reminds me of the germans laughing at trump when he said that they're going to be dependent on that pump that pipeline from the russians yeah i'm sure mr trump you idiot and that kind of hubris yeah that is that is it's it's again i'm disgusted by it so what do we do what is the order of the day who wants to go first darling i think you should go first if you're you're good at okay well okay i'll say this right away i mean i said the do not comply, but Americans, regardless of your political leanings, but let's just say everyone who's not the Marxist type Democrats that I don't even recognize anymore, you have to make geopolitics part of your routine. See, the reason why the Marxists

have made such great strides is they've been at this for a long time. Like, we've got 20, 30, 40 years to catch up on, and they do it every single day. They think about it all the time. One thing I cannot stand when I talk to some, I guess I've always been center, but I guess I'm a conservative now because I don't agree with the other side. One thing that drives me crazy about my fellow conservatives or MAGA or anything is there's so many people that will tell me, oh, I don't get into politics. It's like, well, you better get into it because it's in your home and your food and your pets and your religion. And so what I tell people is like, you get home from work, okay? You need to start

working on blocking that special use permit, finding a way to get involved in local government and taking this thing by the reins and managing it. Think of the government and the laws and our legislative bodies as consultants. You wouldn't hire a consultant and then just say, I never met you, but I trust you. I'll talk to you in four years. No, you're on them all the time because they will do a good job.

If they, you know, you are on them constantly and every American needs to start treating their politicians right down to the school board level as hired consultants, because guess what? That's what they are. And they have deliverables and they better meet them. Or the customer, which is the people. Naomi? Exactly. Yeah.

I totally agree with Brian. And in fact, that's really a striking difference right now between the United States and Europe. In the US, I think people, a lot of people are in a very awakened process of figuring out how the mechanisms work. How do I get on the school board? How is zoning rolled out in my community? Like Bill Cam on our site, what is state legislation? How can I change it? How can I amend it? Who do I call to change a bill? How do I lobby? These are so important. How do we come up with solutions to defund bad ideas or to fund good ideas? And when people understand the mechanisms, and there are still quite a lot of entry points in our beautiful system, it's just the powers that be want us not to know about them,

then it really does do what Brian's describing. It puts a wrench in the gears of the plans that the bad guys have, you know, or even good guys who just get corrupted or lazy or follow the money because no one's watching otherwise, right? So that is so, so, so important. Another thing I think is very important is independent media, and that includes every citizen watching. Now with social media, anyone can be a journalist. So document, document, document. If there's something weird going on in your neighborhood, take a photograph of it. Find out who's doing it. Share it. Upload it. Share it. Ideally, put your name on it. It's not a good time to be shy and risk averse, right? We have to be out front so that everybody in government knows that there will be a scrutiny from all sides all the time. and Brian, again, has really taught me about this is we do need to secure our bodies and our families and especially women and children who always are hurt the worst when there's

instability. And I can't say this enough. Some people are like, yeah, war, civil war, whatever. Guys, you have no idea. Women and children suffer most. Wars are no fun. Civil instability militias are no fun. The rule of law is the best thing, you know, and an advanced civil society is such a precious thing. So while we support the police and support our troops, we need to also learn how to shoot ourselves, which I'm in the process of doing. We need to get firearms. We need to get ammunition. I used to not think I liked guns, but now I'm at Second Amendment absolutist because you can't have any of the other amendments without the Second Amendment, as it turns out. You're welcome. You're welcome, world. Thank you, Carla. And we also need to secure our food supply. As Brian said,

they're going after the food supply in all kinds of creepy ways. And so literally joining a CSA, making friends with a farmer, you know, taking trips to the country to buy meat directly from the source, buy vegetables directly from the source. If you don't live near a farm, it's very, very, very important. And securing water, you know, securing clean water and forming informal groups. Literally, I always use the example of neighbors having a potluck. It may seem artificial at first because we haven't done it for a century, but our grandparents and great-grandparents knew all the time how powerful inviting neighbors over for a potluck was or, you know, a church social,

because in one room of 40 people, you're going to have all the skill sets you need if you build those relationships, if there's a disaster, when there's a disaster. Can I tell a quick story about that involving Naomi? Of course. What I am very impressed with this woman, when I met her, I was actually her bodyguard. She'd hired me to get rid of some death threats, some stalkers, that sort of thing. It's published. It's well known. But I'll never forget one of the first things I saw her do was question Big Oil at a premiere

or something. And then later on, when it was, I think, Cuomo that said no more than six people in the gathering, Naomi's first thing she did was she started calling people and we had a potluck that had about 20 cars up and down the driveway. And I thought that was great. And we even had the police called on us and I happened to be outside and he's like, do you have more than six people here? And he didn't want to be outside. And he's like, do you have more than six people here? And he didn't want to be there. And I said, as I'm showing him my license that says veteran on it, because I know that's a good thing. I said, no, 20 cars, but I don't see 20 people. And he was like, good enough for me. So I really thought that.

Yeah, from the get-go, she's always been like, oh, let's double down. Well, that's a great thing to add. I mean, none of these bad plans can roll out if people just don't comply. You know, just don't comply, just like flagrantly don't comply. And there again, we're way ahead in the United States because people are starting to just not comply. They're much more subdued in Britain because they don't have guns. And now they also don't have a free press. But I think that's a beautiful story.

Thank you, darling, because imagine if in the middle of lockdowns, everyone had just said, no, you know, no, we're going to,

we're, we have the right to assemble freely. It's in our constitution. We're just going to assemble freely. Yeah. A lot of, a lot of, we have a history of resistance.

We have a history of it, of resisting and pushing back. And I never thought about the radical engagement with around the potluck. That's a little bit off the usual target of radical extremism. But I get the point.

It's what happens at the potluck. I mean, because at the potluck right the guy who knows how to do the electricity and you'll have the woman who knows where a good water source is and you'll have you know the teenagers who can watch the kids to free everyone up to shoot you know you know you'll have a well just just look and you have just relational building relationships, even amongst people who don't have specific skill sets. Just having, you know, the ability to support one another physically, emotionally, whatever it might be. You're making a great point that way. What's that?

Got to wrap it up. All right. Yeah, we don't have to. Go ahead. Finish what you're saying. Okay. Well, no, I mean, leaping up some levels from Go ahead, finish what you're saying. in calling out their own followers and, you know, tasking each other. You know, the Sovereignty Coalition,

Frank Gaffney's thing that you're part of, darling, and our friend Josh Stallman is part of. They literally did so much to stop the plans of one of the most powerful organizations in the world that thought they had it all stitched up. So I guess what I'm saying is the potluck model can be escalated to see the kind of amazing history of the last few months, especially in which a handful of people who said no created an alternative medical network, an alternative media network, alternative legal network. None of these things existed three years ago.

So that's a meta potluck. You're right. Yeah. No, you're right. I have to say we haven't stopped them. Oh, sorry. Continuing, the World Health Organization, please finish it. But we slow them down. We want to battle.

We want to battle, but there's a lot of work to do because they started navigating around that immediately. They already planned a consortium of dairy producers and how One Health can help them. So Naomi, I just had to jump in there for Frank's sake. That's fine, sweetheart, but I will now jump in to you and say you have taught me that part of winning a war is tiring out the enemy. So you've slowed them down, but you also forced them to burn resources, which you said is part of winning a war. That's right. Close the ROI. And then now Caleb threw up there,

the three steps to overthrow a free society. Is that something that Brian gave us? How to capture a free country in three steps. Antagonize the free people, depriving them of their rights. Thwart their reproduction through artificial interventions, overwrite their generations of epigenetic memory by cultivating a new slave class that has never known liberty. This sounds like Naomi. That's intense. No, I wrote a book that had 10 steps to fascism, but I've never seen

those three steps. I think they boil. I actually wrote wrote that but i wrote that based off of all the topics from today that i condensed it into a paragraph there of what it seems we barely we barely yeah we barely touch on the reproductive uh stuff but i know okay naomi has been been beating that drum for a while and now all of a sudden we're all the babies what's going on i don't understand what's happening yeah no. No kidding. It seems like if you, if you add up all of the actions, like it seems like this list of three is, is there a, their big plan. It's like, you just have to constantly antagonize people so that we're always distracted and stressed by something else because they're depriving us of our rights methodically. Then you slow down the

reproduction of people who know freedom and who understand what liberty is and who have generations of people before us who understand what that is. And then you start importing in people who don't understand and who have no past. They have no epigenetic memory of what liberty and freedom is. And you start, it's not like a,

it's just to overwhelm, basically. Overwhelm people who understand understand with ideas that don't naomi called it a feudalist a feudalist parking lot i wrote it down because uh feudalism it's it's really the jacobins all over again feudalism louis the 14th jacobins today that's where we've that's where we found ourselves naomi you're trying to jump in here. No, I just want to really compliment Caleb because this is a super smart identification of three points that are so relevant now that really can collapse societies. And I think you should write, you know, I think you should expand it into an essay and a book, of course. Oh, thank you.

Part of it's based off of stuff Emily Barsh also wrote wrote so i i condensed it's like a team effort with that also you've got an amazing team well guys i'm feeling very guilty keeping naomi up so late at night i know she's probably got a another big day tomorrow and no sorry i mean it's it's to the we we have been dazzled by this a little bit and it's been very interesting that you guys as always exceed expectation uh is there other than checking out dailycloud.io are there last uh things to say uh we're going to give uh brian a chance and then last uh pit promotional issue areas you want people to go to? Brian first, then Naomi. Okay, well, please go to my substack at substackbrianoshea,

however the URL is set up, sorry. And also, we do have a weekly video program, or whatever we're calling them, called Unrestricted Invasion, hosted with me and JJ Carroll. He's an author and a 24-year border veteran. And this is under the magnificent Daily Clout platform, which my wife owns and runs.

And follow me on X. I'm putting out a lot of stuff. And that is at Brian O'Shea SPI. And apparently you should follow Caleb as well because he has some good ideas. But yeah, check it all out. And Emily. We are definitely looking.

Naomi mentioned it earlier. Take pictures, send them in. Every town really is a border town. And so the more we can expose which hotels are being kept out, I mean, don't break the law, but what we found is they're being secretive about this illegal invasion for a reason. So the more we expose and we start telling,

especially some of the neighborhoods I've run into that, hey, did you know that this Comfort Inn in Danvers on Route 1 is completely full of illegal aliens and they're right near all these schools in your neighborhood and they're not vetted. And so the more we can expose that, that costs some money to relocate the NGOs and it narrows the return on investment. If we raise their expenses because we're straining their logistics, that is a war of attrition and that definitely, definitely turns the dial slowly, but it turns it. And Naomi? Well, please support dailycloud.io doing such important life-saving work.

You can also support my Substack Outspoken. I really do need everyone's help because we have gigantic legal bills for our lawsuits against the White House and against Pfizer, and also to promote our draft bill to ensure election integrity. But lastly, I just want to say, especially viewers in Britain, or if you know people in Britain, it's a very important time to support Mark Stein. He's on Twitter, x at Mark Stein online. And if you're in Britain and you're a British citizen, you know, write to Ofcom and let them know whether you think you should be able to hear multiple points of view or not and have a free information stream and a living culture. I think it's a really critical time to, uh,

to support our targeted dissidents and other targeted dissidents like Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro and president Trump. Um, you know, we, we have to rally around the targeted dissidents, uh, because all those others could be you or me tomorrow. So odd that we live in that world. I was flashing back on the first time I met you when you were on HLN and you were, I think the book was Vagina or something. Was that the name of that book back then?

And we were talking about male-female issues. It was with James. Right, if you had told me at the end of that interview, hey, Drew, in 12 years, you and I are going to be worrying about freedoms and ability to speak our mind. I would have thought, what are you talking about? But there we are. The Facing the Beast is a current book. What's that, Naomi?

No, I just wanted to say, when I said support our dissidents, including President Trump, that's not an endorsement. I cannot endorse because I'm nonpartisan. It's just saying no opposition should be targeted. That's the definition of a banana republic. Yeah. Guys, thank you so much as always. Let's get together. We'll be out in New York City in July.

Let us get together then, please. Absolutely. That will be so much fun. Absolutely. That sounds great. All right. We'll do some shooting. Take care.

Well, yeah. Susan's, yeah, we're up for it these days, astonishingly so. Absolutely. That sounds great. We'll do some shooting. Take care. Susan's up for it these days. Astonishingly so. Susan has been taken shooting by Emily Barsh. Yeah, I learned how to do an AK-47. I'm so excited. Or it was an AR. I don't know. Next, she's going to tweet us.

Apparently a really good aim. And I guess we're going to have equipment. But Emily's going to have to help us with that. But anyway, that was very, very interesting, as always. Those two just makes you think. And that's really what we're trying to do here. Thank you, Caleb. Thank you, Emily Marsh.

I can't ever step in in the middle of those conversations. Because as much as I think I know or whatever, or I suspect, everything for me is more intuition at this point than actual information. Because I'm so moderate, I'm always trying to figure out what's real, what's Memorex, what should I be really afraid of. Is your camera on? I see your still picture here. We should be able to see a real picture.

Do you have Susan's camera, Caleb? I don't hear your microphone either, Susan. That doesn't seem to be on either. There she is. Uh-oh. There you are. There you are. Okay.

You've replaced me now. We've got two Susans up there on the screen. Uh-oh. Oh, I'm not on. Okay. I feel like they have all the information. I'm just like, talk about this. Talk about that.

I want to know what's going on because I don't know what's going on. I don't study international affairs right now. I just get what I get off the news like everybody else. But we have to be aware of what's going on in the world on a regular basis beyond just what you see on your iPhone and dig deep. Because these guys seem to know what's going on. And I don't know. I just really appreciate their help. I was taken by his description of if you're in that intelligence world, you end up being in a bubble detached from reality and looking at your narrow little area that you're trying to influence.

That's really, really interesting. That adds to my understanding of some of what's going on here. And then this idea of hubris versus humility and how we're in this crisis of hubris and the unwitting assets that are moved along as a result. And then feudal parking lot. I walked away with that new concept, which I like. And then Caleb's three insights onto

how people are coming at us. It's very interesting. Yeah, very well done. In between changing diapers, this man is intellectual. We've gone way over time. We've got to give him a chance to go do exactly that. Let's see. This is Wednesday.

We'll be in tomorrow. As we said, there we are. Let me get you a little information on what's coming your way. Don't have it. It's Patrick and David tomorrow

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