Ask Dr. Drew - Save The Earth (From Bad Politicians) w/ US Congresswoman Harriet Hageman & Benji Backer – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 463

Episode Date: March 8, 2025

“Politicians, pseudo-experts, and other partisans have led us to believe that there are only two approaches to climate change: doomerism or denial,” writes Benji Backer – but he says both are dead ends. The activist joins US Congresswoman Harriet Hageman – chair of the Subcommittee on Water, Wildlife, and Fisheries – to discuss real climate solutions that Green New Deal supporters tend to ignore. Rep. Harriet Hageman is the U.S. Congresswoman from Wyoming and a litigator with 34 years of experience challenging federal overreach. She serves on the House Natural Resources Committee, chairing the Subcommittee on Water, Wildlife, and Fisheries, and the Judiciary Committee. She co-chairs the Congressional Coal Caucus. Hageman holds a B.A. and law degree from the University of Wyoming. More at https://x.com/RepHageman and https://hageman.house.gov Benji Backer is the Executive Chairman and Founder of the American Conservation Coalition and co-founder of Nature is Nonpartisan. He authored The Conservative Environmentalist (2024). A University of Washington graduate, he’s been named to Forbes 30 Under 30 and Grist 50. Backer is a fellow at FREOPP and Arizona State University. Find more at https://x.com/benjibacker and https://benjibacker.com 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

those of you that were just watching our intro that was almost three years ago, our first encounter with Dr. J Bhattacharya, who for me remained the poster child of the excesses of COVID. And of course, Kelly was prescient and everything she was saying at the time and she was roundly condemned for it and yet turned out to be shockingly correct. I'm very excited about today's show. We are having representative Harriet Hageman, US Congresswoman from Wyoming, also a litigator with 34 years of experiencing. She is challenging federal overreach, particularly as it pertains to protecting our environment.

And she is obviously from Wyoming. She loves Wyoming and she wants conservative policies that actually conserve the environment. We're also gonna talk to Benji Bakker, who is an executive chairman and founder of the American Conservation Coalition. They have some very strong feelings about the climate hysteria. There is his book, there's Benji's book. I'll give you the particulars where you can find them on social media right after this. Where the hell you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician.

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And I'll give you a little bit about Benji too. You can follow him at BenjiBacker, B-E-N-J-i dot com, as well as on ex Benji Bacher. Let's welcome Representative Harriet Higginman. Congresswoman, thank you for being here. It's wonderful to be with you, Dr. Drew. Let me start with just before we launch into the topic of the day, just your thoughts. Primarily, I assume you were in the Congress, the chambers yesterday during the presidential address.

And I just wonder what it was like to experience some of the behavior on the one side of the aisle in response to these very touching stories of American stories and diverse stories and extraordinary stories that were highlighted last night.

And yet one side of the room was seemed like, I'll use a kind word, out of touch with what the rest of us felt. It was an incredible speech. It was full of hope, aspiration. It talked about a new Renaissance in America. It was exciting to be there. And I think it was pretty sad,

the display that the Democrats put on last night. And it was obvious that they had made the decision before they ever walked into the chambers, that they were not going to clap, they were not going to stand, they were not going to react

positively to anything that the president said. And he said that at the very beginning. He said, you'll never clap for me, you'll never stand for me. Yes, I saw that. You'll never do anything positive and I do think it reflected on him

very poorly. And he actually said somebody said and the part that caught my attention when he was calling out that side he said it's so sad. It's really it's sad then I think he meant it that we can't get it together we can't unify.

But look, it just looks more and more out he meant it, that we can't get it together. We can't unify. But look, it just looks more and more out of touch. So have at it everybody, go enjoy yourselves. So let's talk a little bit about speaking about a touch. Let's talk a little bit about our

policies around climate. I wonder why, if there's an opportunity to restore some kind of sanity on the heels of COVID. In other words, I think people understand that there was an hysteria, there were excesses.

Our government behaved in ways that we never imagined they could, particularly on the state level. Perhaps the climate hysteria is similar, start me there. I think it's very similar. And I watched that clip with great interest simply because I worked with Jay Bhattacharya during the middle of that.

I was involved in one of the very first lawsuits in the United States that was filed against the vaccine mandates. I'm a person who believes very strong in freedom and I also believe in the science of these things. And it was very clear to me early on that what we were being told related to COVID was dishonest and it was a mechanism to control the

masses. And I think that you could look at climate change and global warming exactly the same way. It has evolved over the time from the 1970s to the 1980s to the 90s and I read something the other day that I think is very important which is you probably shouldn't put a deadline to the 90s. And I read something the other day that I think is very

important which is you probably shouldn't put a deadline on Armageddon. And yet they have because they can't help themselves. You know, all of the glaciers will be gone by 2012 and there will be no more ice. You know, Antarctica will be gone by 2021. And you got to stop giving us a deadline because when they pass, we can all look at the predictions that were made and call them out for what they're saying. And climate change in local warming-

I'm going to stop you right there because I want to sort of talk about my frame on exactly that. Which is, I feel like a time traveler these days. I've seen these things come and go across a great timeline now. And one of them, certainly treatment of opiate addiction

and I've saw that stuff and what the homeless, I've seen crazy things come and go. But climate is another area because I was a very active ecologist, if you remember the ecology movement in the early 70s. And so we had that flag with the kind of weird theta sign in it. And we, I was a scientist on that front

and I was convinced that whereas, I would say the two greatest things we were convinced of is a massive famine coming our way. We were too, population was too great, we couldn't feed everybody. And acid rain would make it impossible for even this country to feed itself.

Acid rain, algae blooms in rivers, and then a coming ice age. That was the other, a coming ice age was going to take us out. And by the way, oil done in 20 years, maximum we had was 20 years. And the ozone,

we had all these theories and good science by the way. But the built on bad assumptions, bad data because the magnitude of the data we're looking at, this cosmological scale of everything. So I come as a time traveler to

this story and am skeptical as a result. What's interesting is if there's a hole in the ozone layer, So I come as a time traveler to this story and am skeptical as a result. What's interesting is if there's a hole in the ozone layer, which is what we were being told in the 70s and 80s, and we were all going to die, if there's a hole in the ozone layer, you don't have the greenhouse gas effect that they're now playing with. Exactly. There's nothing to do with global warming and climate change.

They keep switching it up, I guess, to keep us unsure as to where they're going to go next. Yeah, that's right. So keep going forward. So I like to be moderate on most things. I'm willing to say the climate is warming, as always warming from a pretty cool spot, it seems like, again, on the cosmological scale. And humans might be contributing, that makes sense to me.

But so what? Help me understand what we should be worried about. What they ignore is the fact that we have the ability to innovate. And I think that that's the point you're making when you talk about being a time traveler. Whenever they make these predictions, they're essentially assuming that nothing is going to change in our ability to adapt to that particular situation. If you've got erosion, then you deal with it by building a cement wall.

If you've got a situation where we have the catastrophic forest fires, which we actually do, but that's caused by bad forest management, then we can better manage those resources. Just like what we recently saw in California, the amount of carbon and particulates and toxins that they that went into the air as a result of that fire, humanity would not what would not be responsible for over the next several hundred years.

What you have to understand is number one, we can adapt, but so does our climate, so does our environment. And we've done a dang good job of protecting our environment while, as you say, feeding the masses and improving our entire condition, improving our financial situation, improving our standard of living in ways unrivaled in human history. And of course, here in the state of California, we have these ridiculous regulations that are counter conservation, counter ecological, and do exactly what you just described,

set us up to have carbon put into the environment at a scale that we could eliminate automobiles in this state for 30 years, and we just undid all that, everything we could eliminate automobiles in this state for 30 years and we just undid all that, everything we could have done. So what's on your crosshairs? What's on your radar? Where are you fighting the fight right now?

I don't believe in energy poverty. I believe that it is not the role of government to make people's lives miserable. And I'm just gonna tell you a very quick story about my mother. My mother is 101 years old. And when you think about how her life has changed over the last 100 years, when she was young they would get up at 4 o'clock in the morning to milk the cows, they chopped

the wood, they tended the garden, they canned the food, they worked in the field, they did all of those things, but it was more of a subsistence type of living. In 100 years, look at the homes we live in, the cars that we drive, the travel, our clothing, our jewelry, everything about us has changed so dramatically. The increase in life expectancy, the decrease in infant mortality rate, and every bit of that is because of the commercial production of affordable energy. Yet when we have these debates, nobody talks about the opportunity costs. So if we do away with affordable energy, what does that do in terms of increasing

infant mortality rate? What does that do in terms of our lifestyle? What does that do in terms of our prosperity? Those opportunity costs are never addressed. And again, it's this idea of adaption and recognizing that we really can make

decisions about how we take care of our environment, and we can do it in an incredibly effective way without destroying everything that we have built up and created over the last 100 years. Right, and again, I'm just imagining your mom, I'm assuming she's from Wyoming also as a pioneer of a job. You know, it's a little house on the prairie,

literally in your mom's case. We lived in a house that we didn't have a telephone, we didn't have TV most of the time growing up. We had a wood burning stove and we would take big catalogs, Montgomery Ward catalogs, put them on the stove to warm them

up at night, wrap them in fabric and take them to bed. Now, granted, I lived a little bit isolated because of where the ranch was in Wyoming and a lot of people. Now, granted, I lived a little bit isolated because of where the ranch was in Wyoming, and a lot of people in my generation didn't have to live that way. But I'm telling you, as someone who did, as someone who grew up that way, I don't want to return to it. And yet that is what we push when we push this radical climate agenda that's really an anti-humanist view of the world. As I often say, you can either be a champion of

abundance or you can be a lord of scarcity. I believe we should be champions of abundance. We should be looking at ways to innovate, to make sure that we can feed the masses, that we can provide the energy resources. I do not believe that, again, government should try to make people's lives miserable. Yet that's what the entire global warming and climate change crowd is about. Yeah, I agree. The panics of ill makes no sense. And when I think about a way of one way of understanding the human experience is something that is sort of in some circles called homo economicus, right?

Is that man is an economic, socially an economic phenomenon. And when we need to fix things, when the economics drives the opportunity and the need, we do it. But whenever, I can't think of a single situation, maybe they're out there, I don't know, but where the government forces it, where it either happens, I can't think of things where anything even happens or where it happens well without enormous cost

that doesn't necessarily become justified. Well, what you find in those countries that are ruled by dictators and despots is that they use natural resources and food as a weapon to control their people. Sudan is a classic example of that been in the throes of civil war for

years. What was one of the very first things that they did when they started having these intergovernmental squabbles. They moved everybody off the farms, they urbanized them. They put them in refugee camps.

Now over 90% of the food that is consumed in Sudan is imported. So whenever they want to control the people, they shut off the food supply. And when you look throughout history, that's really what dictators do. Dictators use natural resources and access to natural resources, access to food, access to food access to fuel to control the masses now is that an

extreme example of course it is. But the point that I'm trying to make is our capitalism the way that we produce things the way that we innovate the way that we solve problems can address these kinds of issues whereas we have

a situation in California where Karen Bass and Gavin Newsom, they're looking at, oh my gosh, there might be a one degree increase 100 years from now. So we need to make everybody's life miserable today and take away property rights, dictate what they can eat, how they can travel, what kind of vehicles they can drive. That is not only not the American way, it is so contrary to human nature and contrary to freedom that you can't even imagine people like this can get elected. It does not make sense in a country like ours when we show year after year and decade after decade

that not only can we protect our environment, but we can produce things to elevate the human condition in a way that is unrivaled in human history and look at how well we're doing it. You mentioned dictatorships being restricting access to food and what not resources, but would it not be accurate to say that it's really any centralized totalitarian state? And if that's true, whether it's one leader or bureau leaders, whatever, what happened to us? Do you have a theory? I mean, you've sort of had a ringside seat. What the heck? Did COVID create some wrinkle in, some exposed

something that we fell into? What do you say? It started before COVID, but COVID was a natural outcome of it. I would say it started with Woodrow Wilson, thinking that the experts should control our lives. That was elevated under FDR with creating the administrative state. And then over the last 80 years, we've had a situation where we've allowed the bureaucracy

to creep into areas that we never should have allowed it so in our form of government separation of powers it's the legislative branch that legislates but over time we've allowed the executive branch to do that but none of those people are accountable the president maybe because he is elected but the bureaucrats you know who is it was the head of the EPA under Joe Biden of Of course you didn't, most people didn't. They're unaccountable because they're unelected. And as a result, they can do things and make really bad policies that are incredibly costly.

Again, Deb Halen, she was the head of the Department of Interior under Joe Biden. One day she was before our natural resource committee and I said, why is it that every single policy you adopt furthers energy poverty? Why do you want to do that? She said I've never heard that term and I said yeah but I think it's pretty self-explanatory. You know what I'm talking about.

The only answer she could give was it's we're in a transition. And I said that word is meaningless. What does that mean? What is a transition? This is the head of one of the most important agencies in the United States of America, and she cannot describe for me what they're doing or why with the policies that they're pursuing. That is an unelected bureaucrat. That's how we lost our freedoms and we lost control of our government. We

need to be bringing that back. That's why I'm doing a lot of work in this space with reform of the administrative state. I am the chairman of the Article 1 task force and the very purpose of this is to make sure that it is the legislative branch that is legislating not people who are unaccountable to our voters. Wow, I did not know you were at the chart at the head of that because I in the in the course of talking to people about COVID, I've spoken to people that had positions and interacted with the bureaucrats. And they were hearing directly from bureaucrats that they were insolent, they felt they were in charge.

These outsiders come in for four years and they really don't matter. And I was shocked when I first heard that. Now it's obvious that's what's going on. And I'm fascinated that you take it back to Woodrow Wilson. That's where I have landed as well. When you just keep, you keep kind of, I thought it was gonna end in like the early 60s. I'd see the start of all this there,

but and then sort of think about FDR as sort of an anomaly, but no, no, no, no, it started with Wilson. It was clear he, the Jacobins would have been very proud of Woodrow Wilson, let's put it that way. I think they would have been very proud of him. That's exactly right. And keep in mind the 16th and 17th amendments came about during that period of time, being

the one giving the federal government the authority to do an income tax, and then also basically excluding the state from government on the federal level by taking away our two senators being appointed by states and just being voted on by just like our Congresses. That was never intended. The House of Representatives was to represent the people. The Senate was to represent the states. And then you have the executive branch that represented the executive branch, the president, the federal government. And when they changed that with that amendment, it fundamentally changed the

relationship between the states and the federal government. So I'm hearing the term, the name McKinley come up now too. And I thought, that makes sense, McKinley pre Spanish American war. And is that what we have to dial this back to and if so, how are you going to do it?

Well, again, we as legislators, we need to become better as practitioners. So really a lot of the power comes from what's called the Administrative Procedure Act that was adopted in 1946. And it has largely remained unchanged in the intervening 80 years. But it's under the Administrative Procedure Act

that these agencies have gotten the power for the rulemaking, for example. And again, it has expanded in a way that is so far beyond even what FDR ever could have imagined. I'll give you an example of how these administrative agencies work to expand their own authority without Congress ever stepping in. And I'm gonna say this, Congress has largely

abdicated its responsibility for legislating, and that's what I'm fighting to bring back. We've got great people in the House right now, and we're all working towards that. Our senators are as well, I should say the Republicans are. We're working towards administrative reform, exactly what I'm talking about.

But under the Clean Water Act, the EPA only has jurisdiction of navigable waters of the United States, right? Navigable waters of the United States. The Mississippi, the Missouri, those kinds of big bodies of water. I represented an irrigation, or a farmer one time, who had moved an irrigation ditch on his property. The EPA came in and sued him, and they claimed that irrigation ditch was a navigable water of the United States and he had to have a 404 permit to move that ditch. When we finally went to trial, that case took six years, when we finally went to trial he was facing penalties

of almost $65 million because at that time EPA could impose penalties of $37,500 a day. It's now up to $68,000 a day. Well, we as Congress have given that kind of power to an administrative agency. Of course they're going to abuse it. They abuse it every day because it increases their power. It allows them more authority. It allows them to take control of more things. And so when you've got people in these agencies who really are anti-humanist, this is the way that they further their agenda. Now, after a two week trial, I won that lawsuit,

but I had a jury of our peers and I won that case, but my client spent a million dollars on attorney's fees and costs defending himself against a rogue agency. That's what we have to rein in and make sure never happens again. When you get into an escape plug-in hybrid, you get the perfect mix. You can chill in electric mode, turn it up in gas mode, or get the best of both in hybrid mode. Choose how you move in the all-in-one Escape. And right now get a $3,000 rebate

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is reclamation, which means if your building or supportive structures are damaged by the ocean, too bad, ocean will just reclaim it, reclamation. It's unbelievable. It's really talking about anti-humanist. As an attorney, I've encountered the California Coastal Commission before. And again, that is one of those agencies that has become very totalitarian in its viewpoint of the world. And I'll go back again to these fires over fifty percent of the fires in Southern California are started either by arson or homeless or maybe it's a combination of both. And I know that there's also some issues associated with

with fires related to to power lines But the fact is that what happened in November was largely a manmade disaster. Because they want the California Coastal Commission and the various so-called environmental agencies out there will not allow the clearing of the brush. Under the 2001 roadless rule that was put in place by Bill Clinton, denied access management and used to 58.5 million acres of national forest

service lands. These are all really bad policies that end up destroying our environment and yet it's the environmentalists that push forward with them. But then we eventually have to pick up the pieces and then deal with the consequences of those

terrible decisions because again they will not consider opportunity costs when they adopt these sweeping sweeping the consequences of those terrible decisions. Because again, they will not consider opportunity costs when they adopt these sweeping, sweeping, sweeping declarations of how they're going to allow us to use our property. It really does need to change. I think calling it opportunity cost is kind,

it's just the downstream consequences of their actions. And it's just grotesque, it's not learning is what it is. It's unwilling to learn, not willing to look at the consequences. Speaking of learning, I think Benji is going to present some of this stuff, but I wonder if there

is specific science you rely on to, I'm sure there's got to be arguments about my God, it is a disaster, it isn't a disaster. It is, isn't a disaster. I talked to a really fine scientist who, you know, put the whole warming trend on, on the sun. And he was a MIT scientist and he said, these are all my D students. They go, he called it the revenge of the D students who are making the climate change declarations that they were. But is there science you lean on to help support

you in your arguments? So one of the things that they've done is they've so corrupted the climate data that it's essentially unusable at this time period in time. And most of their work is being done by the models, which is garbage in garbage out their computer models. So what do I mean by by destroying the climate data, they homogenize between two weather stations. So what do I mean by by destroying the climate data they homogenize between two weather stations so you might have a weather station that has a hundred year history out in a field which has not been

changed and when they go gather that data they can demonstrate we can demonstrate that there's no trend line in that data you're not seeing increased warming or increase or you know decreased temperatures what you're seeing

is variability which is called weather but the stations that they manipulate, so let's say there was a station out east of Denver 40 years ago, well now we have DIA. That weather station may still exist, but it is now being

affected by what's often referred to as the urban heat index or other types of development around that. So they need to adjust that data, but instead of adjusting the temperatures down to account for all of this

development in industrial activity around it they actually increase that the temperature using that data. So what they've done and you they talked about it in all of the emails with the East Anglia University. They manipulate the

data they're not using raw data and saying you can look at a weather station that has been unimpacted by man essentially and what you'll see is that there is no warming trend what you'll see is variability called weather so we know that they're

manipulating the data we know they're manipulating the temperature. Noah has satellite data temperature data they won't share it they also won't tell us how they're manipulating the data it's a black box they won't tell us how they make these adjustments

but if you watch their data if you if you watch their ticker tape if you will you can watch it happen in real time. This is what they're doing we are being manipulated to the tune of trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars worldwide.

And much of it is based upon manipulated data. Had we not just been through COVID and I saw what continues to happen to the medical publication world, I would have been skeptical of what you're saying. Now I'm completely on board with it. What is, you said there are trillions of dollars at issue here.

Is that what this is all about? Is it follow the money? I mean, what's motivating all this? Or is it just a bureaucracy that got put in place and now it's convention or all of the above? All of the above and look at the money. Do you think that if I'm not a scientist, I'm an attorney, but you, let's say that you are going to publish a paper

about how they've manipulated the data. Are you gonna get a grant from the university or the EPA or the, there are so many agencies involved. It's a medical publication thing. The same thing happens in medicine right now, same thing. If you have some data that shows the vaccine is causing problems, no one will touch it, period. End of deal, and that's that. We have politicized time. Please go ahead. Finish. We have politicized science.

Yeah, which is wild to me. It's just, I, again, part of my time traveler experience here. And by the way, we have, we have forgotten the delicate instrument that science actually is, which is something that Brett Weinstein keeps saying. Science is fundamentally an instrument, a delicate instrument where you're going to ask a question and the null hypothesis is either confirmative or non-confirmative based on a good experiment, based on good assumptions. That's it. And you can only ask very narrow, very specific, very tiny questions

to expect anything worthwhile out of the instrument we call the scientific method. Can you stay with us, Congresswoman? Are you available to continue when we bring Benji in here? Sure.

All right, I'm curious to see you guys interact, so I appreciate you staying. And are there places you want people to go other than where I've already been sending people on your behalf? No, that's just fine. And Brett Weinstein is a hero of mine. I think he's exposed a lot of very important machinations out there that we should all

know about. Yes. Oh, I'm 100%. I've spoken with him. He ran up to me one time after I gave a talk. I was bringing up this issue. I've had the very privilege of having an excellent scientific training. And I said, science is not being done anymore. He ran up to me.

He goes, that's it. That's my point. And I thought, oh, yeah, good. Somebody else sees it too. Rep Hageman, R-E-P-H-A-G-E-M-E-N on X and hageman.house.gov. Representative Harriet Hageman with us. We'll be right back after this with Benji Backer joining us. Well, you've heard me praise Paleo Valley's grass-fed finished beef bone broth and the delicious meat sticks. I now want to turn it over to Paleo Valley founder

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So Representative Harriet Hageman is still with us, US Congresswoman from Wyoming. And joining us now is Benji Backer, the executive chairman and founder of the American Conservation Coalition. Co-founder of Nature is nonpartisan. I love that. Author, the conservative environmentalist in 2024. We can put that book up there. University of Washington graduate. There he is, Forbes 30 under 30. Backer is a fellow at FreeOp and Arizona State University. Find more about him at Benji,

just Benji Backer on X, and his website is benjibacker.com. So welcome, Benji. I don't know if you had a chance to hear the conversation I was having with Representative Hageman, but lots of interesting stuff she was presenting from my standpoint.

I'm wondering if you wanted to pile on from your perspective. Well, look, it's great to be here and it's great to be at the Congresswoman. We were talking before we got on, she's the representative of my favorite state and the state that I hope to be a resident of very soon so it's great to be here with both of you. I uh I have this very deep frustration about the environmental movement which is that

it's been co-opted by partisan politics. The environment is one of the few issues that should not be caught up in partisan culture wars. We don't actually have very different ideologies when it comes to solving this challenge when it comes to outcomes. And for so long, before I was born, the environment was something that transcended party lines. But today it's been co-opted by the left to be made into a political issue to hijack into basically a warfare on humanity and especially the rural middle. Let me stop you. I'm going to stop Benji. Benji because I was talking to the congresswoman

in the last segment about being a time traveler. And I'm a time traveler on this front too, which is I remember when the left had control of the environmentalist movement essentially. They were identified with it. Let's put it that way. They're identified with it because I was part of it. I was part of it, I was in it.

And then there became, I don't know why they particularly made it their issue, but they did and they were very effective. And it became an American issue, it became everybody embraced it. It was not partisan. So I wonder if Representative

Hageman, if you have that historical perspective too and understand what Benji is talking about, how it has become partisan, or why it remains partisan. Well, I do have that history. I remember what was going on in the early 1970s. But one of the things that we did

do is that we actually went in and cleaned up the rivers and the industrial sites. We all worked very, very hard at that. I'm not saying that I'm opposed to the Clean Air Act or the Clean Water Act. I'm not opposed to any of those things I support

the Endangered Species Act I support the- Federal Land Policy Management Act I and I support those. Because they had a purpose and we have used them very effectively. To address the problems that we had with our streams and rivers and the

and the air pollution that we had. But that's what my point is we have the ability to innovate and we've done that. And we've done an absolutely phenomenal job. And in doing so, we've also been able to provide energy at an absolutely an incredibly affordable rate. And in doing that, we have increased life expectancy, we've decreased infant mortality rate, we have made innovations in the medical field, in curing cancer, in how do we treat osteoporosis. There are so many things that we've done, but we've done that because of affordable energy

and we've done that through innovation. What's happened with the latest environmental, with the more recent environmental movement, is they want to take away all of the innovation and claiming we're destroying the environment. once they take away the innovation once they take away affordable energy we don't get to innovate anymore go to a third world country and tell me how they take care of the environment because the fact is they don't they can't afford to they're just trying to feed their people and

keep the you know keep a roof over their heads look at the kind of respiratory problems that we have in Africa, because we will not allow them to develop reliable electricity. We forced them to cook over dung and wood. The challenges that Dr. Drew, I know that you know this, the health problems that they have in those countries are because we refuse to allow them to do what we have done, which is develop affordable and reliable energy. Benji, how do you make it nonpartisan? them to do what we have done, which is develop affordable and reliable energy. Benji, how do you make it nonpartisan?

Well, look, I completely agree with that. And you know, caring about the environment is not only a privilege, but it's also something that is a hobby for most Americans. It's really tapping into the fact that caring about the environment, whether you hunt or you hike or you fish or you ski, it's something that we share as Americans and tapping back into that, putting the environment back into our mentalism and taking the politics out of it is actually how you do it first. It's something that we have the same desired outcome for. We all love spending time outdoors. We know the importance of clean air and clean water. We know the importance of biodiversity and wildlife. This is something that we understand as Americans. Almost half of the US is biodiversity

and it's worse across oceans, which the congresswoman just mentioned. Over half our biodiversity is being destroyed by humanity. We have a duty to protect it, but we have to take the partisan politics out of it. And to do that, you have to look at sensible solutions. The solutions that the left has proposed, which is taking away energy,

it's taking away people's cars and their livelihoods, is not the way to getting to solutions. It's innovating our way out of the problem and it's conservation, not preservation. We can get into that, but those are all values that conservatives hold and liberals should hold. And together we could work towards real outcomes if we put the politics aside.

But you have to remember there's an hysteria afoot. And I become very interested in mass formation and hysteria as a result of COVID. And when you have so called true believers in the mix, you can't use rational discourse

like you're suggesting. They're using it as a cudgel. They are getting more out of it than this should be the pure concern for environmentalism. But explain to me what you mean by conservation versus preservation. Well, look, first on your point,

it's a great point. I would say that the loudest voices that are the most extreme are actually the minority, thankfully. Most Americans aren't extreme environmentalists the the future of environmentalism cannot be dominated by Greta Thunberg and AOC and these radical voices because they actually don't speak for the majority of Americans including left-leaning Americans. Most Americans want pragmatism on the environment. Most Americans want conservation and sensible measures to be taken.

It's just not dominating in the media cycle that we have today what that looks like is. You know the leftist approach so far has been this preservation don't touch anything. You know the environment is to be protected at all costs which I you know

I'm the biggest environmentalist out there but when you have this kind of hands off approach which is the preservation is. Then you have these, you know, intense wildfires like we've seen out in the West. You have all these other problems that exist because you're not in there actively managing and making sure that ecosystems and biodiversity and humanity are all thriving at the same time. When you allow local landowners and you allow local

stakeholders to be involved in the process of taking care of the environment, you get the best results because local people know how to take care of their local environments best, farmers, ranchers. Oh no, you want centralization. Centralization is not the answer to every ill. It's not better when you centralize things 3000 miles away and put it in the hands of- That unknown EPA-

Doesn't that make things better? I'm confused. Well, that unknown EPA administrator, like the congressman was mentioning that's 3000 miles away from the problem. Yes, does not know how to take care of the area better than the person

who lives there does. And so you wonder why we have worsening wildfires. It's because we're not allowing local communities to take care of their forests where the government's coming in saying you're not allowed to take care of your forest.

And if you want to help fight for the forest, it's fine. It's why we have homeless. It's why we have homeless. It's why COVID was such a disaster. The more you central, the more you take things away. Adam Smith had it right. It's the two people interacting as your most efficient unit in all aspects of these sorts of, again, human social constructs.

Medicine is the last frontier, and it's been completely co-opted and centralized. All right, Congresswoman, you're going to speak. So what I look at is we're watching Germany de-industrialized right before our eyes.

And they're doing it all in the name of climate change and global warming. And they're making their people miserable and ultimately it's going to crash their economy and it's destroying their ability to produce the things that they need. So one of the things that I think the radical environmentalists have failed to recognize

is that humans are part of the natural environment as well and they want to exclude humans as being part of the baseline. But we are part of the baseline. We've existed here since the beginning of time. So when we're managing these resources we have to be balancing the various interests. We have 1,000 grizzly bears in Wyoming. Our recovery goal was 500. We've had a recovered grizzly bear population

for over two decades. We can't get the Fish and Wildlife Service to delist the grizzly bear because by refusing to delist the grizzly bear, they control large swaths of land in Wyoming. In the meantime, it's been devastating to our elk population. Because by refusing to delist the grizzly bear, they control large swaths of land in Wyoming. In the meantime, it's been devastating to our elk population.

It's a huge risk to our farmers and our ranchers and our anglers and our hikers and our recreationists. So all of these things, when they try to pretend that humans are not part of the natural environment, then when they insert us, they say, and look at how you ruined everything. When in fact we haven't ruined anything, we've made things better. Yeah, look, I mean, when economies are strong and people's livelihoods are good, the environment ends up being protected because then we actually can go in there and protect it. I was touring a Native tribe in Washington State a couple of years ago, and I asked the tribal member how they are so economically successful

because this is one of those economically successful tribes in the country and also how they helped restore the salmon population because they also helped do that. And they said, those two things went hand in hand. The fact that we were economically successful allowed us to put the money into restoring the salmon population. It allowed us to conserve the salmon population

because we weren't worried about taking care of our basic needs. Humans interact with the environment every single day. Us being on this call takes up energy and takes up resources that takes from the environment. We have a role in protecting it, but that means we need to be involved in it. And that's why conservation is so much better

than preservation. And, Benjamin, I'm gonna ask you the same thing I asked Congresswoman Hageman. What is in your crosshairs right now? Where is the battle lines being drawn? What are you fighting hardest? What are you concerned about? Well, I think what I'm concerned about is that we allow the radical extremes to continue

dominating this conversation. Because right now it's an all or nothing approach. We either need the Green New Deal or we're not going to do anything. We're just going to overdevelop the country and not care about the environment whatsoever. I'm over dramatizing that, but that's kind of how the conversation is going. We're trying to drive a conversation that's right there, balanced in the middle. Like you said, it might not be the most sexy these days in the news cycle that we're in, but we've put together an amazing group of people.

We have the former head of the Sierra Club and former Trump cabinet members who are working closely with this administration on our board together. Because there's a lot of shared outcomes that we have at Nature is Nonpartisan that we believe Americans want on behalf of our environment in a sensible way. And the AOCs of the world and the people who only critique the AOCs and don't provide their own agendas are the problem. And I would say the congressman probably understands

that better than anyone because she's in Congress dealing with those sorts of realities every single day. There's no incentive to solve problems right now. The incentive is to just oppose the other side's ideas and create fear-mongering. I saw the National Park Conservation Association say that Donald Trump was about to destroy and it was the beginning of the end

of the national park system in the United States because he's the president. When in reality, he signed the biggest national park bill into law when he was president last time. He doesn't wanna destroy the national parks, but they're dictating that message and Americans are following. So we have to take this issue out of that back and forth.

Otherwise we're not going to get the results that we need and we're trying to pierce our way through that. I'm assuming you guys are both working with the Interior Department and I would call Doug Burgum a friend. I used to go to North Dakota when he was governor and give presentations on various things on his behalf, his wife's. And he's a very smart dude. And he is from the Dakotas and he's always had great,

great respect and concern. He was actually a bison rancher for a minute, he gave me a long story about that and how difficult those are apparently to ranch. And I'm imagining he's an ally in this fight you guys are waging. I believe that he is and I look forward to working with him. Again, what we have to look at with all of this discussion is the balance. And it's a balance that is going to benefit everybody. It's going to ensure that we have

the prosperity to protect our environment. And when you get out of balance, like Germany has, is when you see the destruction of your economy and your ability then to preserve what it is you claim to want to preserve. BedMGM, authorized gaming partner of the NBA has your back all season long. From tip-off to the final buzzer, you're always taken care of

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I mean, he's a passionate outdoorsman. He understands the importance of energy. He doesn't pick winners and losers when it comes to energy. And he cares deeply about protecting our national wonders. Now what he's done, the left is not going to give him credit for this, he is the major funder of the Teddy Roosevelt Presidential Library at Teddy Roosevelt National Park in North Dakota.

He's one of the biggest advocates for the environment I have ever seen and he's probably the closest to nature that we've had for any DOI secretary in recent history, at least in my lifetime. He's the best advocate that we can have for the environment. And that's why we're working with him on a plan called Make America Beautiful Again, which hopefully will take shape soon. And it's interesting, you never really heard much discussion about this, but North Dakota is a significant oil producing state and he understands that and the impact and how to mitigate it and what the business is. He really knows that business because his state and by the way, I remember they have issues with indigenous

folks up there too and they would benefit from the oil industry when it would come in and they could solve problems on their behalf too. And by problems, I mean stuff I was dealing with alcoholism and mental health stuff and things like that that some of the groups were struggling with. So RFK Jr. also comes from this, it's interesting, you and I, Representative and I were talking about, I guess when Benji stepped in, we started talking about the right versus left divide and the history of that. RFK Jr. was a Democrat, environmentalist, activist, and now he's a, I don't know what, independent or something. I know he's got his eye on some other issues, a couple of other issues,

but is he somebody that also is helping you guys at all? So really what you have to go back to is extremism doesn't help anybody, and when you start realizing what extremism is, it really opens your eyes very, very quickly. You've talked about COVID several times. They made huge mistakes at the very beginning by lying to us about the origin of it. Anybody with a lekkish sense knew that it came from the Wu Hong Laboratory. That was not difficult to figure out, but we had our powers that be and our betters that were lying to us about those things.

Well then that undermines our trust in them with everything that they did after that. And I think that that's what's happening with someone like an RFK junior is that he's looking at, he was walking down this road and had been for decades, but he's smart enough and he's intelligent enough and he's discerning enough. And discernment is incredibly important. That is a skill or that is a character trait

that we need more people to have discernment. He is discerning enough to recognize that he has been fed a line on certain things. And he started questioning it and saying, you know, I really don't believe this. I'm gonna find out more about it and I'm gonna surround myself with people and I'm gonna ask questions.

One of the frustrations that I have when I'm doing my committee work in Congress is there are these bombs that are thrown at us all the time. Okay, I think that we should delist species that are fully recovered so that we can spend our money on recovering species that still need help. The first reaction is, you want to kill all wildlife? Well, no, I'm not trying to kill all wildlife. I want to focus on species that need it, not on species that are fully recovered and the

states can manage. But that's the extremism that we deal with in politics anymore, is there's no effort to say, hey, you know what? The grizzly bears recovered, I think everybody ought to come together, we'll get it delisted and we'll move on to the next one. That doesn't allow them to control large swaths of land and water, and that's why we have this battle that we do. But RFK is a discerning man, and he's figured out a lot of stuff. I agree with you about discernment, and discernment is a more formal process,

but I would be very happy with more common sense. That'd be good enough for me. If people just manifested just basic, for your name, common sense, reality assessment, be able to assess reality and reality is termed. Benji, what were you saying? Well, one of the most important things that RFK focuses on is the importance of sustainable,

regenerative agriculture and just healthy food systems. And the United States creates and produces food better than anywhere else in the world. And that's not just a talking point, it's the truth. I mean, they're cutting down the rainforest to grow food there when we could be doing it here in the United States and supporting American farmers. So I'm totally all in on his agenda there, but let me say something about the unlikely allies that President Trump has put together. That's the unlikely stakeholders that we could put together

to protect the environment too in a sensible way. What the congressman just talked about, we need reform on the Endangered Species Act so that it's more effective, not so we can kill off endangered species so that it can be more effective. And that's what we're working on with this administration, not just ESA reform, national parks, wildlife, ecosystem restoration. Let's restore America's beauty and our environment,

because that's what's in disrepair. And it's not because fossil fuels and the right killing every animal, it's because our two-party system has no incentive to solve problems. And if Donald Trump steps in and says, we want to make America beautiful again, we want to protect America's ecosystems and wildlife and beauty, and we want to do it in a conservation first way, allow local stakeholders to lead when it comes to these efforts, and put our natural beauty first, stop talking about climate change and carbon emissions in the atmosphere and China and all that stuff,

let's protect the environment here at home. I think we can actually get really far and reform these policies to make the environment protected in a more efficient, sensible way and stop wasting government taxpayer dollars on programs that don't work. They actually hurt the environment more than they help. And that's the sort of approach

that I think this president is going to deploy. And I think RFK and other members of his cabinet are going to support it and it will be one of his greatest legacy items. And then Caleb is throwing up there how RFK had cleaned up the Hudson River, which was such a mess and now you could go out there and swim in it or drink it. But let's wrap this up with you guys telling me where, I'll start with Benjy first, what do you want people to do? Where do you want them to go? Well, first, I think check out nature is nonpartisan.

We're launching on March 20th in the center of America, the geographic center, Belfast, South Dakota, where we'll be launching the new environmental movement of the future. We're basically recreating and

rebranding the entire environmental movement as it was supposed to be, a nonpartisan issue that puts Americans first and the environment first at the same time. Check that out. But also I think if you have been dismayed by the environmental conversation over the last few decades, I don't blame you, but engage. We need sensible people engaged in the conservation environment dialogue. They haven't been for a while. We've let the inmates run the asylum and the crazy people dictate the policies. You care about it more than they do.

You care about the environment more than anybody else because you are sensible, engaged. We need you. Thank you Benji and Representative Hageman. I just think it's incredibly important that we have this kind of a venue to be able to talk about these issues because they are so important. I want to work with Benji. I want to work with the White House. I want to work with Democrats. I want to work with anybody to move our country forward to make sure that we can maintain our

prosperity while also addressing these environmental issues. It's so critically important that we get this right because right now we really are destroying our national forests. We're destroying large swaths of our BLM lands there are so many things that we're doing because of mismanagement because the regulatory agencies in Washington DC lost their way many many years ago and don't

recognize that management is part of what they're supposed to be doing as Benji says they want to just build a fence around it and say nobody can touch it from now until the end of time. That really is incredibly destructive to our environment. I also want to say oil and gas, coal, uranium,

these are the energy of the future because they provide affordable energy and allow us to manage these resources in a way that really again is unrivaled in human history. We know what we've done with the the Clean Water Act and the Clean Air Act. But the ESA, NEPA, we need reform so that we can continue to do what we've done over time even better while at the same time feeding

the masses and making sure that we have affordable housing and that we've got good conditions for people to live. That's one of the things we didn't even talk about. All of these things relate to the fact that our housing costs are absolutely off the charts

because we're not allowed to use the resources right here in the United States. Most of our building supplies are being imported from Canada because we're watching our national forest burn to the ground. That makes no sense. It just doesn't make any sense. So we need permitting reform.

We need to be approaching these issues with much more common sense and discernment than we have been for quite some time. Thank you both for joining us. Thank you for the work you're doing. I hope you will update us,

particularly Congresswoman. I hope you update me on that Article One project. That is fascinating to me and seeing how that plays out. Thank you both for being here. We appreciate it very, very much. on that Article One project. That is fascinating to me and seeing how that plays out. Thank you both for being here. We appreciate it very, very much. Thank you.

That check in with you both later and Benji I hope you'll send me a blast or tag me when you're promoting the release of the new project. All right. Bobbleheads. All right, Susan has got Bobbleheads galore now

that she needs to help unload. Yeah, we need space. So here's, it's a really high quality product. There's a few cases left and we are, the people that produce them are moving and they want to get rid of, we're giving out a great price for 12, $35 for 12.

If you go to drdrew.com slash shop and you can just store them away for the holidays. This will be the end of it. You're quite elephant. It's going to be a collectible at that point. There's a few cases left. We're hoping that, we're hoping that everybody will pitch in and and and get some for their future white elephant gifts when they Great gift three dollars a piece like that. There's I don't even believe you can manufacture them from China for that

A way for shipping people could basically buy a case of it and then flip it online somewhere I'm getting a bunch of them and I'm sending them to a few people, a few of our fans that helped us back in the days during dose of Dr. Drew when we were selling bobbleheads. But anyways, we just, we want to help the people that make them open up their space. They're moving. And so I can't take them all here. It costs money to ship them to me and then for me to do something with them.

So we're offering them to you. Hold them up again, Drew. Show them all sides. It's really cute. I know this was a well designed product. I know. Product and it should be worth a

lot, lot more. Whoops. Yeah, well, the original price was $44 each. That makes more sense. So yeah, and then we had them. But now it's a collector's item. It should be worth even more. Right. And it, you know, and then like I said, if he dies, it'll be worth more.

Oh, there you go. Susan's got a plan. So, so to. No, it's drdrew.com slash shop, Caleb. Let's put the links. Drdrew.com slash bobblehead. Yeah, I set them all up. I set them all up. I set them all up. Yeah. Okay, I just want to make sure that everybody knows,

go to Drdrew.com slash shop, help out our manufacturer. I have a bunch of them. Everybody, Caleb, you should get a set too. I have one. I have one right here on my desk. No, I mean, I'll get you a case. It's really good quality.

You should have a case. Oh, okay. That's what you need down You just have a case. Oh, okay. That's what you need down there in Mobile, Alabama. One for all of my children. Yeah. So hang on here. Well, I sent a case. Caleb, please put up the upcoming list of guests

while we're discussing this. I'm sorry, I'm still selling them bobbleheads. So go ahead, Susan, you talk about the bobblehead if you wish. There it is. Look how cute he is. It's really high quality, look at that. Look at that, it's high quality.

I know, they did a really good job. Look at his shoes, down to his shoes. It's a high quality. Look at that. Look at that. It's high quality. It looks like it's all the coloring. It's a 360 thing too. This is like a legit thing here and it has the logo and I feel very proud because I designed this logo and I didn't even know they were going to put it on it. So now this logo I designed is everywhere, all of your products. They're really cute. They're really cute.

And then you can share it with your mother who loves Dr. Drew and all the gut-filled friends you have that love him. It is a fun guess. It's funny. I've got a few other things I want to talk about. It's funny, so get one.

Here we go. So please put up the upcoming guests if you wouldn't mind. Also, I have two other projects I want to alert you guys about. There's the upcoming guests. I always mispronounce Michael's name.

He is a former mobster who's now looking at how the government runs like a mob. March 11, Dr. Victory sits in for me. Ralph Shulhammer on the 14th. Gary Sinise on the 19th, Danilosh on the 27th.

She's filling it in, believe me, there's a lot of interesting people just like today's guest. I suggest you tune in so much to this. Emily Baruch is very discerning to use the congresswoman's word in whom she books and why she books them. So we all learn something from her bookings. Now the other thing I want to point out is I've got two new projects. One is called Health Uncensored. It's on Lifetime. You can sort of Google it.

I think it's on Hulu even, I think. But it has been a very interesting project and it's growing. It's going to have an audience now. We do it down in Florida. And we bring in really interesting breakthroughs in medicine. I just think about what's been

staying in my head. Last show we did, this woman is growing vascular grafts. She's an MIT trained biologist and a physician anesthesiologist. Extraordinary, extraordinary, things like that. Lots of things like that we get into. So that's health uncensored.

The other thing that's coming out, oh shoot, I believe we have a release date. Anybody know the release date of the Discovery ID show? Susan, do you know it? Nope. Shoot. It's coming up. Anyways, it's gonna, if you go.

Here it is. It is March 24th, Monday, March 24th on Discovery ID. I was busy today. You got that email at like 10 o'clock last night. Yeah, I got a series of them today too. I don't see the time, however. It's not in the loop. I had a great show on calling out today. I don't know if anybody out there saw,

but it was really good. I think it was well attended. Tom Renz was so awesome. Oh, we still have Thomas Renz on March 10th, I believe. Oh no, we moved him. I think we had to move him because we have to travel that day, but we'll get him. Don't worry. All right. I don't see the time, but keep an eye out. It's Monday, March 24th. And this trailer kind of captures the vibe of this show. We're gonna air it for you in just a second. It's a really good show. The producers are exceptional.

It's cinematic in its production. And we get into some of these stories of these sort of head shakers in Hollywood. You know, what happened to all of them? Why are all the Power Rangers dead? Why the Klaw family, if you saw that the, why are all the Power Rangers dead? Why the Klaw family, if you saw that movie, why are they all dead?

And I break it down, we get into the details, we talk about the people who were really there. And of course, the story behind the story is always different than what the press puts out there. Another example of gel man amnesia.

But there it is, that's the promo for it. But that's right. We can't play the actual promo today. Caleb didn't have it set up. But I put it on Twitter. You can see it there. I think I put it on Twitter. And we'll play it maybe tomorrow, Caleb? Is that possible? His social media manager was busy doing a show today. I like it. Hollywood Demons. It kind of goes with the theme of my psychic medium show. It does a bit. It really does, actually.

Let me quickly say- Dark days making the dark around. This happens sometimes due to working with you, Drew, where I just was randomly on yahoo.com reading the news, saw an article about this, watched the trailer, and there's Drew popping up just randomly in my feed. I didn't even know anything about this coming up. Yeah, it looked really interesting.

This is what we're going to watch. Yeah, it's very interesting. It's so well done. You're selling a V shred? No, no, no. Winston Marshall coming back also. We had to move, I feel bad now because I love Tom Renz. He was on my show today, but we had to move him

because we have Monday, we have to drive to do some work. Tomorrow in studio will be Michael Francis. I'm thinking I'm pronouncing it right. Francis, former mobster who says the government is running like a mob right now. And he's had some interaction with them that he'll share with us. That's what it says. Just what you want a former mobster in your house, don't you? Yeah, I can't wait. Thanks, Emily. He's a really nice guy. I was on his podcast. Yeah, he's a good guy. You're fine. First, we wanted the guy from the LA Times here, and I said, why would we let the LA Times over into our house? And then you're like, he's a nice guy. I was like, he was, he turned out to be a very interesting.

No, I know. He didn't show up. He had a cold cold, but did Caleb, are we, do you think you'd be able to play that trailer tomorrow? Yes. Oh yeah. I'll have it ready to go tomorrow. We'll play it. All right. So we'll be at noon tomorrow. We're early tomorrow. He had a lot on his plate today because we had our show first. We had two shows today. Yeah. It's been a lot going on today. So see you at noon. There's only so much time in a day for Caleb Nation. Three kids. Wait, two kids? No, two kids and a-

Two young kids. Four dogs and a Susan Pinsky. Yes, that's his biggest problem. Exactly. That's my wife. So it is noon Pacific tomorrow. Michael Franzese, we will see you there. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. we will see you there. personal doctor and I am not practicing medicine here. Always remember that our understanding of medicine and science is constantly evolving.

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