Ask Dr. Drew - Science Journal Links POTS & Autoimmune Disorders to mRNA Shots & SARS-CoV-2 Infections: Aga Wilson & Ed Dowd – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 258

Episode Date: September 3, 2023

Aga Wilson discusses new details from the journal Science that appears to link neuropathy and postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS) to mRNA shots and SARS-CoV-2 infections. Ed Dowd returns with updates on the Maui Hawaii wildfires and “smoking gun” actuarial data on COVID-19. “We’ve been screaming from the top of our lungs about these things happening…” says Aga. “And finally, slowly, it’s being acknowledged.” Aga Wilson (Agnieszka Wilson) is a human rights activist and reporter. She began her career at the United Nations Headquarters in New York and later joined UNICEF in Nepal to work on youth and disarmament, as well as ‘back to school programs’ for girls and reproductive rights. Agnieszka holds a Master’s of Political Science from Uppsala University, Sweden. She also worked as an adjunct professor at St. John’s University teaching on media, communications and international relations. She is the founder of the Can We Talk About It Campaign. Follow her at https://x.com/CWTAIC and read more at https://CanWeTalkAboutIt.org and https://AgaWilsonShow.com Ed Dowd is founder of Phinance Technologies and author of “Cause Unknown: The Epidemic of Sudden Death in 2021 & 2022.” Dowd is a former Wall Street analyst and BlackRock portfolio manager who utilized pattern recognition to get ahead of his peers during his stock picking career. He is a founding partner of Phinance Technologies. In early 2021, Ed noticed a rise in reports about sudden deaths among athletes and young people across the country. He amassed evidence from the insurance industry, funeral homes, and government databases to uncover an increase in sudden deaths among working-age Americans. Follow Dowd at https://x.com/DowdEdward 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • COZY EARTH - Say goodbye to hot, restless nights with soft, temperature-regulating bedding from Cozy Earth. Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW at checkout to save 40% at https://drdrew.com/cozy • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • PRIMAL LIFE - Dr. Drew recommends Primal Life's 100% natural dental products to improve your mouth. Get a sparkling smile by using natural teeth whitener without harsh chemicals. For a limited time, get 60% off at https://drdrew.com/primal • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 ABOUT the SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Thank you for stopping by early with us today. We have, as I said, Dr. Victory could not make it because of the time of day. She's otherwise well, so don't worry about her. But we're going to speak to Aga Wilson. She's a human rights activist and a reporter. Her show is called agawilsonshow.com. You can also find her on CWTAIC. That's the Can We Talk About It.

CanWeTalkAboutIt.org is the organization she founded to be able to discuss the range of reactions to the mRNA vaccine. A little later on, we'll have Ed Dowd swing back around. Of course, I think you all know Ed. He is the founder of Finance Technology. He has the book Cause Unknown, The Epidemic of Sudden Death in 21 and 22. Dowd is a former Wall Street analyst or current Wall Street analyst. And he's been looking at the data on excess mortality and trying to make sense of these actuarial data. And what he uncovers, of course, is always concerning.

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So I just really thought it was a great product. So back to our guest today. It is Aga Wilson, a human rights activist. She was with the UN and ultimately at UNICEF in Nepal to work on youth and disarmament she founded the can we talk about it campaign we'll talk about her history with that and why she became concerned about vaccine adverse reactions and a couple you know new articles will be discussing today I found it kind of interesting before mention that, I want to mention it's canwetalkaboutit.org, agarwilsonshow.com, and of course on Twitter, CWTAIC.

But these two articles are fascinating to me in that people are beginning to talk about some of the adverse vaccine reactions. And here is a science article. Rare link between coronavirus vaccines and long COVID like illness starts to gain acceptance well uh yes it's unusual i don't know about rare but i've seen it we've interviewed a guy on this show if you remember there's a friend of mine that got long terrible long covid from that and then the second article was just up there on the screen also large cohort study finds possible association between postural orthostatic hypertension syndrome and COVID-19 vaccination, but a far stronger link with SARS-CoV-2 infection. Now, so look, I get that any of this could be post-COVID related, but we're trying to parse out what is vaccine related and what is COVID related so we can come up with a

risk reward stratification for, say, a young person that's not likely to get severe COVID. I have not seen, I can't think of any cases of long COVID I've seen from young people. I'm sure they're out there, but I've not seen POTS. I've spoken to a couple of people from POTS with COVID, but I've seen lots of POTS from the vaccine, including a friend who suffered a skull fracture as a result. So why the rush to qualifying every bit of data we're looking at? It's the strangest damn thing. So please welcome Aga Wilson, founder of Can We Talk About It campaign, canwethalkaboutit.org. You know what I mean?

This craziness where everything has to be qualified, nothing can just go on in the normal scientific discourse. I'm sure you've noticed the same. Yes. Hi. Thank you so much for having me on today. I'm very honored to be here today. So, yeah, I mean, it's just

been, I think for many of us, a shocking experience to go through this COVID crisis in the last couple of years and just seeing, you know, how science constantly is being, you know, attacked and tampered with. And I, yeah, I have no words for what's really going on because I don't know, but I don't know about you, but when I worked for the UN and even before when I went to university, I, one of my favorite courses was one about political psychology, where you got to really learn about the red flags, you know, when it comes to propaganda, where, you know, something is told to the people that doesn't sit right. And I started seeing the red

flags very early on. Because, I mean, I do know, and I think we all can say that if you have a product that's safe and effective, and it really works, you don't really have to defend it or sell it or, I mean, it would just speak for itself, right. So it's been a, it's been a big eye opener, I think, for all of us about what's going on. And that it's really a very interesting process. We have to wait. Aidan McCullen, Ph.D have seen, right? Yeah.

What do you think is going on? I want two broad sort of subjects to cover. One is, what is this, you know, how is this propaganda, so to speak,

being executed? You know, what do you think is going on there, number one? Because it's worldwide too, which is sort of so odd about this whole thing. And then the other,

and I think the first question to be answered is, what happened that led to you founding Can We Talk About It? Oh, yes. So, I mean, my story started with when I was pregnant with my son, and that was in 2016. And I got kind of bullied into taking the DTaP vaccine back then. And that's when I, two months after post-birth, I had an injury. I got rheumatoid arthritis. And it took me a while to realize where it was coming from. But I also was at the beginning of my journey as a mother, and I started looking into vaccines in general, and if they're really something that I wanted to give my son, because, you know, I had heard that there could be complications. So I did my due diligence as a mother, and I, you know, started doing a lot of research. and what i found was just absolutely mind-boggling and uh and so scary

because you know you start reading study after study you start uh seeing things that you never knew existed and you start started questioning yourself as a mother you know what am i doing is this the right way to go am i you know gonna kill my baby you know it's just all sorts of things that come up. And it was a very difficult decision for me. I think it took over a year for me to do all the research, dig into all the studies and really understand what was going on and that what we were hearing from our government officials, including our health agencies, was not really what was happening out there. So it was a big eye opener for me back then. And I wanted to do more because I am a humanitarian and I always worked,

you know, with humanitarian issues. This, I saw a humanitarian crisis, so to speak, maybe not, I wouldn't maybe call it crisis, but something that really, you know, touched me very deeply. And I wanted to do more. So I got very involved. And that's when I started working with our movement and including organizations, organizations like Children's Health Defense and other, of course, doctors, scientists that were back then already involved in this. And I also healed myself, you know, over time, and I had to find the answers. It's kind of, it was a jungle out there for people like me, because you have an

injury. And I knew I couldn't trust the doctors. I knew that if I went there to tell them what happened, they would not link it to the vaccine, and they would put me on medication. And that's not what I wanted. I wanted to, you know, heal naturally, or, you know, more holistically. And then the pandemic came. And of course, I was already working kind of deeply in this. So I think most of us already knew and saw that something was wrong. And I know that in the beginning,

when they started administering the COVID-19 vaccinations, we already started seeing stories coming out, right? Some on Facebook, they were highly censored, which was really, really worrying to me already then. And also when we tried to contact them as Children's Health Defense, because then I was helping them to put together some sort of a video documentation of what was happening, people were reluctant to be associated with anti-vax organizations, basically.

So, um, we kind of put it on ice because it was impossible to get people to, you know, uh, wanting to be part of this project. Uh, but later on this continued of course. And I saw that there was so many stories suddenly coming out you know and people were completely lost out there because you know they were censored they were they were gaslighted they were you know attacked and they couldn't find any help no one was there to kind of support them and they were abandoned by their government. So I had done campaigns before working in the nonprofit sector previously, and I thought that, you know, we need to raise awareness about this issue for sure and have created a safe space

for people to kind of tell their stories. So that's what we did. We kind of went together with 30 partners, simultaneously launched it globally so that we what we did we kind of went together with 30 partners simultaneously launched it globally so that we could kind of bypass this this whole censorship that facebook and and everyone else was doing um and we also made it so that you know we wouldn't kind of mention any keywords uh so that they could censor us immediately. We asked them instead, you know, can we talk about it? And we had pictures in black and white of people that had, you know, just had a bandaid on their arm kind of, you know, symbolizing that they had taken the vaccine.

And then it was a black and white picture. And then you just wrote your symptoms basically. So it was, you know, whatever you were experiencing, blood clots, you know, and obviously we do know that most people had many of those. And then they started coming out on the internet and that's how it all got traction. But this year I also, and I think the hardest part

for all of us, including the doctors and scientists and many people out there that have been collaborating with these last three years or two years, are we're trying to find solutions, right? We need to find solutions. And there's so little research and studies that have been done on what is actually happening inside the human body when these vaccines have been taken by people. So we need answers. We need to know what's going on in order to be able to find a solution. So that's basically, I think, the main focus of the organization right now, you know, outside of the storytelling.

Yeah, so I think that I'll stop there in case you have any questions so so i want to stay with the uh covid vaccine the new technologies and whatnot because that's where a lot of the concern is how do we parse out what has gone on i mean you know it's it's very complicated i i'm seeing more data that is linking post-covid complications at a higher rate than post-vaccine complications and i'm not quite sure what to do with that yet uh including the study i just quoted up there where they rushed to tell you that there's more linked to the certainly don't we first have to understand what the risk of the vaccine itself is and then we need to understand what the risk of post-covid is and then we need to understand what the risk of the two combined are uh and then we can make good decisions about whether we should be taking vaccines or not.

I'm very convinced that I have done the right thing vaccinating my elderly patients. I've said this repeatedly almost every day lately because I'm increasingly convinced. I've not seen a single side effect. I've seen significant benefit in terms of, you know, I've lost some patients to COVID early on that were over the age of 70. That has stopped. And of course, we're into the Omicron era. And there's data now that suggests that maybe the Omicron looks milder because everyone's either had the illness or had the vaccine. So it's hard to say what Omicron really is. I can tell you I'm seeing the new variant. And the new variant is more intense than the previous Omicron.

Now, is that because of vaccine escape? These are all impossible questions unless they go at it full force. What is preventing us from going at these questions, do you think? Well, that's the million-dollar question, right? Because I believe, you know, as, as if you have a government that is in charge of, of, of, you know, health of, of its people, and it's not doing what it's supposed to be doing, you know, that to me is already a big red flag. I mean, I don't know about you, but when we had the, the swine flu in Sweden and we vaccinated over half the population and we had 400 cases reported of narcolepsia, they took that vaccine immediately off the market. So my big question here is, you know, how are we in a situation where we by now have millions of reported side effects, you know, in the VAERS system, including WHO, including, you know, the Eurovigilance in Europe. How is it possible that our governments that are in charge

of these things are not doing more research to find the answers? Because as you said, like, how would you know if it's long COVID, if it's the vaccine, if it's, you know, how do you know if you had both, right? Like have we have no idea and they're not putting any money in the research that's needed today we don't even know what's in these shots you know for to to you know 100 and and it feels like i'm gonna interrupt you and it feels like it you're not allowed to ask any question at least you have not been able to. I think it's starting to move in the right direction, but you've not been able to ask any question that could implicate the vaccine above COVID. If that's a possible outcome, the study is not pursued. And certainly if there were a result that showed the vaccine was worse than COVID that wouldn't get published.

You know, I don't know if you know the Danish researcher that showed that 5% of the batches were responsible for 90% of the adverse events, 87% or something. And that needs to be further worked on. That needs to be looked at. And she couldn't get that published for two years. Are you familiar with that? But it's not the drug companies per se that are doing this. collective you know mass formation collective something hysteria that uh has people locking down and wearing masks and throwing people out by force if they don't this kind of thing isn't it just the same phenomenon it's a more global phenomenon than just pointing at the drug companies no absolutely and i think like you say there's many layers to it, right? I mean, first of all, something that, you know, caught my attention is that, you know, I've been working for the UN for several years, and I've been sitting there doing this meeting, even in the General

Assembly, you know, Security Council, I have never seen any kind of global crisis that has just had everyone suddenly agree on everything. And there's just like one agenda that everyone is following, you know, to the point. I mean, you know, to me, that's, I would question, I question that immediately, because that doesn't, I've never seen something like that. And it's hard enough to agree, you know, like, you know, I mean, there's been so many big questions and issues discussed at the UN between the member states and this is like unheard of. So that caught my attention in the beginning. I'm like, how is this possible right um and then also like you said you know the the the article that you mentioned um for research i i even interviewed um you know a german data analyst that basically saw well he was looking into the whole um you know german system where and and this has nothing to do with vaccine injuries or anything like that.

It's just the German healthcare system, and this healthcare system is covering 71 million Germans. And what he saw in there, because each disease, as you know, when you're a doctor and you see a patient, you have a code for each disease. And it's kind of like this international code that you put in. So there's nothing about injury or anything like that. But what he saw that was really worrying was that, you know, from the administration of the date that the vaccine started being administered, over 200 diseases, like, you know, started like, you know, just skyrocketing some more than others, you know, and this is something he's never seen in many years of his work. So, and these are things you hear from all over the world all the time, you know, that things do not make sense. And he did write to the government, you know, so all of these people, they're not

only seeing this, but they're informing their governments. You know, I have many stories like that from people that have been working for pharmaceutical companies, they see something wrong, they get fired, or, you know, it's just like, you know, it's a story that happens over and over again, and the censorship and the propaganda. And I also feel that, you know, if you watch the TV and everything else is censored and all you see is this vaccine safe and effective, it's a subconscious programming, you know, of some sort. I mean, when you read political psychology

and you start understanding how people in Rwanda that live together in peace as neighbors suddenly could slaughter each other with machetes. And the psychology behind that, you know, I'm 100% certain that, you know, I mean, we can repeat this. We can repeat this many times and it's definitely possible. So what they did was they also turned us against each other, the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. And I see very, very big similarities in the patterns there, you know, from these type of conflicts that happened back in time. It's just that they're different, you know, they're not about wars anymore.

They're more like, I would call this more like, you know, on a much more silent level. You said you studied political propaganda and the red flags and how awful political propaganda is. And I'm sure your professor sat in judgment of it. And yet it makes me wonder if he's one of the perpetrators. These people that were the ones that were the biggest, the people that complained that had the most disdain for Senator McCarthy are strangely using McCarthy as sort of, sort of style now, which is so astonishing to me. But in terms of those red flags, a, what were the red flags that you were taught about? And B, you said this has happened in history many times before. And I,

you know, when it happens, guillotines come out it's French Revolution it's Russian Revolution it's Rwanda I mean it is of course it's happened many times but scapegoating becomes a major mechanism of how the violence is focused so what were the red flags that you were taught not to say what you saw here but would teach us what those red flags are and then is there something about these patterns of recurrence in societies are they strictly socio-political movements or is there something indigenous in the character structure the personality structures that evolve over time i.e narcissism uh that are prone to these kinds of acting out. All right, I'm gonna try to remember that,

you know, those points in your question, but I mean, I think for me, the biggest red flags were that, you know, suddenly we couldn't have an open dialogue about this. You know, there was no, there was just one side of the story and everyone that spoke against it were basically immediately just trashed or attacked or disqualified, so to speak. were in dictatorships, communist countries, you know, where people don't have the freedom to talk and speak out, you know, about things that the government doesn't allow them to do. And this is exactly what happened. Not only, you know, were the doctors and scientists attacked

and censored, it was, you know, the vaccine injured people that couldn't suddenly speak about, you know, their injuries. And, you know, tell me about any other disease out there that, that you cannot freely speak about if you have it on social media or, you know, something happens to you. Right. Nothing about that made any sense to me, that you cannot, you cannot have an open dialogue with, with other scientists and people. And this is what science is all about to me. So like that, you know, that was number one, big red flag. The other one was, you know, the constant talking about, you know, how the other people, like you said, scapegoating, the people that wouldn't take the vaccine were, you know, bad.

And they killed other people and they were irresponsible. And they made these people into, you know, seem like they're pretty irresponsible people that, that should not be, you know, seem like they're pretty irresponsible people that, that should not be, you know, respected or heard on any level. And, you know, and then the discrimination that happened when they started implementing, you know, these, these COVID-19 vaccine passports everywhere, you know, and this was also something I was in Sweden at the time. And we, we weren't going to take that.

They would implement some sort of passports to enter restaurants and stuff like that. So we actually pulled together a big protest of over 10,000 people, and it was a huge protest in Stockholm. And with that and some other legal processes that we were working on behind the scenes, or some other people, some lawyers were working on behind the scenes, we managed to stop it. But that also shows, you know, the power of the people and how much power we have. These people work for us. And we can never, you know, forget about that, that, you know, we have that power and we need to question, question everything and hold them responsible and accountable for for all of this because you know I've seen too many people suffer from this vaccine and it's absolutely heartbreaking you know what is happening out there and how many millions we're talking about but but back to the

excesses of uh government that there was a large contingent that welcomed it and participated in the silencing and marginalizing of anybody that didn't participate. It's like it was one of the strangest pieces of the story was people in government seemed to enjoy this. And there was a giant population that equally enjoyed being the recipient of this kind of excess. That was the part that was startling to me. And so that's the second part of my question. Is there something in the historical trends, such as character construct, personality development, that sets us up for this? Oh my.

I don't know if I can answer that right now. But I don't know if I can come up with anything. But there definitely is. Are you afraid to say it? Or you just haven't formulated the full thought yet? No, no, no. I haven't formulated the full thought yet? No, no, no.

I haven't formulated the full thought. I'm definitely not afraid of it. Okay. I can tell you that if you look at the antecedent history of maybe two generations before the major upset, you see a lot of childhood trauma, for sure. A lot. Of all types. Especially in France with sexual trauma and abandonment. childhood trauma for sure a lot of all types uh especially sexually especially in in france with sexual trauma and abandonment and uh that isn't normal that happens in trends and it then there's

a reaction one or two generations subsequent to that naturally and if the socio-political environment suits it off it goes so i i i don't know it's some combination of all these things but here's what i want to do uh i want to take a little break and i want to bring in ed down of course everyone who's a fan of this show knows ed he is um the founder of finance technology i'm going to give you his particulars right now very quick uh you can follow ed dowd on twitter at dowd d-o-w-d uh edward and uh he is finance p-h-i-n-a-n-c-e technologies.com and he has new data for us and i'm going to get his sort of uh take on some of the material you're looking at as well i'll be right back after this i want to share with you a teeth whitening system that goes beyond merely enhancing your smile.

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There he is. Hang on a second. You were muted or something and we get your top of your head cut off too. So tilt your computer back. There you are. And see if we can get a, there you are. You're perfect. So I don't know if you heard. I have a feeling your mic is still off though, Ed. There you are. That's better. It's back. I hear the white noise coming through now. So how are things in Maui? We continue to see a cover up and slow roll of the death toll numbers. But aid is getting to the people. FEMA's here.

And it never became a humanitarian crisis. It could have, but that's been averted, thankfully. I heard there are planes flying around, sort of telling people to stay in their home and where and when they can and can't come out. Is that accurate or is that apocryphal? That's apocryphal. You know, the roads are open.

People are going everywhere in Lahaina and the other parts of that area. But the devastated area that's been cordoned off, they're now fences up and it's now a hazard site. Wow. So you, I understand, have some new data for us as well uh what's going on on the on your uh data front here yeah so um we're starting to update 2023 numbers with uh as of june we started off in the uk we're going to be following up with other countries but um just

just so we're clear the 2023 numbers i talk about are annualized estimates based off our linear model, given the data we have as of June. And one thing we discovered that was quite worrisome was something I actually talked about in my book as a smoking gun. Children in the UK were not vaccinated till later in 2021, and their excess deaths were actually going down because of lockdowns and school closures, which makes sense because the biggest cause of death in one through four teenage group is accidental. Well, we saw then that their excess deaths were starting to rise with the introduction of the vaccines. Now the 23 numbers are coming in, and it's gone from, the numbers are, let me just look, 16% in 2022 and 22% in 2023. And in 2021, it was actually minus 7% excess deaths. So, you know, obviously

I'm of the camp, it's the vaccine. So we're seeing a rise in excess deaths in the age group one through 14 post the implementation of the vaccine. we haven't put this out yet but we run some correlations again correlations aren't causation but it's a 0.94 fit on the model so 94 correlation to the vaccine rollout and the the percentages that's the that's the correlation or is that the relative increase on the left is the left is the death rate and on the right is the annualized death rate. So the death rate was coming down because, you know, health care in the UK was going well and safety protocols. And then you saw the drop in the death rate into the lockdowns. But then it started going back up with the vaccines. And the percentages were in 2020, it was minus 9% excess deaths in one through 14,

minus seven, and then it shot up to 16 and 22. And annualized numbers are 16 in 2022 and 22% annualized in 2023. So we suspect- I'm not quite getting what the percentages of excess deaths is that is that the percentages yeah percent excess death above normal trend line okay was was pediatric or that eight zero one through fourteen well ages one through fourteen zero is pediatric uh Zero is pediatric. But we didn't, the numbers I'm presenting are one through 14 because that's from my book.

Okay, and it would be interesting if, I get it, it would be very interesting if you could also, and it would also be very good if you could show that the decline in death rate was in fact due to decrease in accidents or or you know those sorts of uh unfortunate uh causes of death in that age group because that data is not in there i

assume uh no but we we speculate that the the excess deaths went down during the lockdowns pre-vaccine for the children 1 through 14. You got to remember vaccines rolled out for them later in the UK around November of 2021. So we suspect that accidental deaths were down. We haven't analyzed the actual causes of the deaths yet. We're hoping to get that data at some point. And in terms of that 0.93 correlation, I'd love to know, A, how you arrived at that, and B, I'm seeing lots more data coming in that is suggesting COVID may be the culprit for the excess deaths. What do you do with that data? Well, so the data, it's just a simple linear fit. So when the vaccines rolled out, the excess deaths started going up. So we just measure the correlation. It's a simple calculation.

It's 0.93, 0.94. Again, you know, people say that's not causation, but it certainly is something to be investigated. If COVID was the cause of this rise in ages 1 through 14, why didn't it appear in 2020 and 2021 and only started post-vaccination? So these questions need to be asked. They need to be investigated. But the numbers that I reported in my book have gotten worse since my book, unfortunately. And Ed, I don't know if you've heard the conversation I was having with Aga Wilson. She is my other guest today. And Aga, these were very much the questions

you and I were asking. Ed is a source of great, a great source of data, very concerning data, asking questions, mining data in ways that other people don't seem to be. I'm wondering if you have any other questions for him. Well, I just had a comment, actually,

that it would be very interesting to compare to Sweden, where they never recommended the shots for kids, for example, and we never had lockdowns. So that could probably help as well, you know, to compare. We haven't done Sweden 2023 numbers, but I will tell you, Sweden's interesting. Your excess deaths were much better than the rest of the world, but then they started rising with the introduction of some of the vaccines. They're not as high as other countries, but you're going in the wrong direction. So that's kind of interesting.

That kind of suggests not post-COVID in a way. And Sweden was vilified for not locking down. Are people, Aga, coming to understand that that was the correct call, that they did the right thing at the right time? I mean, you know, if you look at the data, we, you know, of course, of course there were COVID deaths like everywhere else, but, but there is not a huge difference between the lockdowns and, and Sweden that didn't lock down when it comes to, you know, excess deaths or, or deaths or deaths from COVID.

I mean, we had some restrictions and people are following them. We never wore masks. Towards the end of the pandemic, they started recommending masks, but there was no mandates. Everything was recommendations. Same thing with the vaccines

although you know the population is you know i think we we have 80 vaccination rate or something like that i i can't give you the exact number but it's high um but it wasn't mandatory you know people were not forced to take it there's always the peer pressure of course but you know um i think at least you know people have the choice. Same thing with children. The government decided not to recommend vaccines for kids. Well, the problem with the non-mandate is that the employer and the schools and all these step in and they start mandating

so the government doesn't have to. Well, see, they can't do that here. The school cannot mandate by itself. It has to come from the government because it's all here. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. So let me weigh in here. I just pulled up the stats for Sweden. So Sweden had excess deaths in 2020 of seven and a half percent pre vaccine.

It did drop to 1.83% in 21 and it's back up to 5% in 22. So go in the wrong direction. And we'd love to see 2023. So Sweden is the outlier, but it's going the wrong way now. So it did decline in 21 from 2020, but it's on its way back up. Interesting. Do you guys want to, I got a couple of people that I think want to ask a question of Augur.

Do you mind if I go to the calls for a second? Absolutely. Absolutely. All right. This is a Seattle? Absolutely. Absolutely. All right. This is Seattle Indy. I'm not sure what the actual name is. Everyone has funny X handles. And of course,

if you raise your hand, I'll bring you up to the podium and you have to unmute your mic down the lower left-hand corner if you do come up. Seattle, do unmute yourself and have at it. Okay. Thank you very much. I think that, you know, what the first speaker said about the fascist and mass movement aspects of it,

all of that was very apparent to me very early on. And also, what, you know, really kind of scared me was we've seen a deliberate misrepresentation in the popular mind of what science is. And not many people who are running around saying, I believe the science even know what science is. And science is not a single person doing an experiment in a lab anymore. It's not Isaac Newton. It's not Benjamin Franklin. Science these days is a massive process involving all kinds of specialists requiring a tremendous amount of money and dealing with all sorts of controls as to how it gets publicized. So there's this huge human element in science nowadays where it is very, you know, science only sees what it looks at and what it looks at is determined by who's financing it. And we have this just very strange view that science is now kind of whatever the experts say it is.

Right. It's an institution or something. Right. Right. Let us chew on that for a second. It's a good point. Because science, I'm sure there's probably, you know, there are people that, thank you for your comment, people that study science and history of science and whatnot. But ultimately, science is a methodology.

It's a methodology. And the methodology is you think up a hypothesis. Then you dream up an experiment that will test that hypothesis. You classically do a null hypothesis. And then you run a test. And then you do a statistical analysis to see whether it's likely that that was not correct and that's it uh that's the scientific methodology it's very simple hypothesis study statistical analysis repeated and modified many many thousands of times and then something might go from hypothesis to a theory but and all of it is an attempt to approximate reality and the truth but none of it claims

truth that's that's one part of the scientific method is humility and understanding that it's always changing and always i mean what if you know uh before galilee i mean this is like galileo all over again it's the craziest damn thing but uh let's have each of you comment on this there of course are institutions and there is money and there is differences between clinical research and physics research and uh you know biological research these are different methodologies are different it's part of experimental methodologies uh and can conclude different things and have different degrees of certainty but ultimately it's still just the scientific method aga yeah and as i said before um that you know there needs to be an open dialogue

about these things because you know like you said it's changing constantly so if someone sees something else over here and someone sees something else over there like we need to at least be able to discuss the issues you know and and and and you know have that i mean i think that's the least you would expect but then also you know i've heard you know interviewing also scientists across the globe um many of them say that if a study doesn't go the way that the people that fund it want it to go, it's just trashed. And it just doesn't go anywhere

because they kind of spare what direction they want to go into. And I think also that's it. You're putting the finger on, not just, not just follow the money and that there, there, there are, that there are funding mechanisms behind these things that may be pulling

strings, but also the problem with the publishing editorial process. And that's a brand new thing that I've never seen that in my career before, where I'm wondering if there are things that are being overlooked merely because they don't corroborate a consensus which is exactly what science should be i mean copernicus was a heretic it was not the consensus galileo was put under house arrest for daring to come up with the truth. That's how governments do things, not how science does things.

Ed, your comment. Yeah, so I come from the capital markets on Wall Street, and we saw this all the time, institutional beliefs that were absolutely wrong in terms of what the herd was thinking. And then people who were contrarians took bets against the other side of that when there was evidence that things were changing.

That's how the most amount of money is made. So my whole career has been sitting in front of CEOs, listening to them, trying to figure out whether they're telling me the truth or not. So I was very skeptical when this all came about, when people were declaring things that made zero sense to me. So I started investigating. So I live in the world of consensus that's often wrong and to the detriment of the investors that believe the consensus. And like you said, those other people were contrarians and that's where a lot of discoveries are made, the heretics. Yeah, the heretics. And a friend of mine who's a financial guy said the same thing when he was watching this whole thing. He goes goes that's just my business it's what i deal with all the

time the madness of crowds and so the the madness of you you said though that somebody might be lying to you i want to hear more about that but the madness of crowds is fundamentally what we're talking about here isn't it and people don't don't really study that and the way they should perhaps but that's your field ed am i correct and if so what is your assessment of the madness of the crowds today yeah so you know i've seen three um mass formation psychoses that so to speak the first one was the dot-com bubble where the refrain was uh it's a new paradigm ed get on get on board. Well, I guess people didn't understand the laws of economics finally came home to roost there. It's a great financial crisis. Great financial crisis, same thing. Home prices never went down. That was a belief. All you had

to do was Google home prices historically, and you could see that that wasn't true, and that home prices did go down eventually at some point in the cycle. And then here we had safe and effective repeated nonstop with a 28-day clinical trial. And that was, for me, the mass psychosis that everyone bought that a 28-day clinical trial was somehow science, in my humble opinion. And I agree. It was suboptimal. We all agreed it was suboptimal at the time. The real, the mass formation for me is why we're not going back

and doing the necessary studies that we would normally do. The fact that we haven't done that is so odd. Yes, it was emergency. We rolled it out fast. It was intentionally suboptimal, consciously, I think, self- subconsciously suboptimal. But now how about we go back and take a good look at what we're

doing, rolling forward, and we seem completely becomes cognitive dissonance kicks in now when you even suggest that. I agree. So there was a there was a time period where this could have been the right decision had this thing not been as disastrous as it was. But once it was determined there were safety signals, there should have been a going back and any questioning of anything was censored and quashed. And you're right about that.

There seems to be this religion around the vaccine for certain individuals, especially those in the institutions that approved it. You said the CEO might've been lying to you. I'm sure that does happen, but isn't that just another, what you were trying to see through, another sort of manifestation of mass formation and cognitive distortions? The CEO wanted to believe it, right?

Whatever he was telling you he was he was he was he was a believer he was trying to make you a believer too ceos are not paid to tell you the truth even though they may know the truth you know deep down inside them they're true leaders for their stocks and my job was to determine whether their words were congruent with their actions. And many times, they would tell me something in their pre press release would come out a couple weeks later, sending a signal that they didn't even believe their own nonsense. So that's what I did is, you know,

congruency between words and actions. So so using that as a model, are we seeing things today? Are you seeing individuals today that are manifesting something similar through which we might be able to infer something? Well, you know, I go back to the height of the pandemic when there were clips and clips showing that the politicians would wear the mask for the cameras. And then once they thought the cameras were off, they'd take them off. So those kind of words and actions kind of being incongruent. The actions today, ordering, testing, spending a couple billion dollars to reorder testing equipment for this new variant. Well, if it's really that bad, why wouldn't you just send out the alarm now and then order the equipment? It seems to be a pre-planned kind of thing. So the words and actions are not matching up in my mind.

This rolling out mask mandates with a variant that, you know, it's nothing more than a common cold, in my humble opinion. I got COVID a couple weeks ago. It was a head cold. I got food poisoning two weeks after that. That was way worse. I'm sure of it. I'm sure of it, depending on the causative agent was, but, but, uh, what's that Aga?

No, I said for some people, I mean, you know, it's really hard because then, you know, of course, like we all know people that really suffered, you know, from, from COVID. And it was so much more, I mean, personally, when I got it, I experienced this whole menstrual cycle madness that was also, you know, from COVID and it was so much more. I mean, personally, when I got it the first time, I experienced this whole menstrual cycle madness that was also, you know, huge everywhere. And it was as severe as they were saying.

And I obviously didn't take the shot, but I experienced that. And it was pretty scary, you know. So, you know, I mean, some people say it's a bioweapon we're talking about spike protein even coming from covid um you know i i do know like my sister has long covid and she has pops from it uh and she she also didn't take the vaccine so there's just so many question marks uh around this i feel, that it's hard to settle on where we stand with everything. And this is why it's so important to do more research. Research is something that is, of course, for me at least now in the next year, is the number one thing.

And obviously, we're seeing, like you said, the governments and our health authorities are not funding it. So we have done a lot to fund it ourselves. And we're trying to constantly, you know, raise money to be able to do these things. But, you know, it takes a lot and it's very costly. Dr. Kelly, Victory is on Twitter. Go ahead. I was going to agree that the original COVID strain was the worst one. And over time, it's gotten less lethal as viruses do so that they can survive in the wild.

But back in the original days, yes, people were very sick. But even some vaccinated friends of mine who get COVID are not taken out for very long with the current strain. Yeah, well, let me and we have lots of treatments now, lots of ideas about how to treat it. I don't think I will be shocked if anyone has seen cytokine storm from the present variant. My experience, the present variant, I've seen a lot of it. It's either what Ed had, a head cold. Susan had a head cold. And strangely, I didn't catch it, or if I did, I was asymptomatic. But I've seen several cases, well, several, many, many, many cases where it is very intense, high fever, very sick, very short. It's like two to three days max.

And in my experience with Paxlovid, it gets better in literally six hours. I mean, just immediately. And so the other thing about the current vaccine environment is we have lots of other treatment options. Dr. Kelly Victory has been traveling today, very kindly just swung by to talk to you guys on twitter spaces kelly thank you for stopping in hey sorry that i wasn't here for the whole show i i wanted to make sure that people knew that reports of my demise were premature um i actually this was just a traveling snafu uh and in fact the queen the queen heretic has arrived um i am exactly that i was listening to your to your conversation i am the heretic has arrived. I am exactly that. I was listening to your conversation. I am the heretic because the reality is this. Consensus is not science. It is the job of scientists to

actually breach from consensus and to say, hey, that's actually not what I'm seeing, or that's not what this study shows, or here's another theory we should pursue. So that's the first thing I would say. Secondly, Drew, to answer your question, why we have not gone back, quote, and done the studies that should have been done before is because they don't want to know. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but they don't want to prove the reality. They have done this. It's been a lot of sleight of hand. They've pulled this over everybody's eyes. They've shoved it down people's throats. And the reality is they don't want to know this was bad science. This stuff wasn't tested. They know it's ineffective. They know it's fraught with problems. Why do you think the CDC just surreptitiously

stopped following V-safe? Okay. They don't want to know. You won't find what you won't look for. Ed? Yes, I agree. You know, they basically... Dr. Gregory said it better than I could have. Aga, go ahead. Left us speechless. No, I just said, you than I could have. Aga, go ahead. Left us speechless.

No, I just said, you know, that if they would do the research and the science, we probably wouldn't buy their vaccines anymore. Yeah, and Aga, I would ask you, Drew, let me ask you a question. You were talking about your very severe bout with Ed, and given that you are not elderly, you don't appear to have any of the well-known comorbidities that we would have associated with severe. Were you treated with anything, or did you just kind of gut it out? Did you have it during the period of time when it was just, you know,

stay home until you turn blue and then maybe go to the hospital? Or did you actually avail yourself of some of the, you know, available treatment options? Oh, that was for you. Yes, that was for you. Yeah, I was just. Yeah. For the first time, I actually I didn't know much and I just stayed home. But I got very sick, I have to say.

Maybe not as sick as my sister and my mother, but I did. And I had these, you know, menstrual issues with my menstrual cycle. And that actually continued. But then I think I got it a second and third time. I never wanted to take the tests, but I knew since my family took the test and I was obviously like in the same space. But I used ivermectin and the second and third time and it was very effective.

And then of course, all the supplements that you weren't supposed to. Yes, and I agree by the way, with everything that both Drew and Ed have been saying with regard to this current variant is extraordinarily mild. Even the CDC acknowledges that it is not associated with any of the respiratory conditions, the shortness of breath, the cough, cytokine storm. There's no loss of sense of taste or smell. I mean, it is, you know, back in the olden days,

what we used to call a cold. Flu. Well, it's like a flu when it's bad. It's sometimes like a cold and sometimes like a flu. Although I have a case right now with a lot of coughing symptoms. And again, maybe it's not the new variants. Maybe it's plain old Omicron, the old Omicron that she's got. Okay, guys.

Well, Kelly, I'm going to drop you off because I'm going to wrap things up. I appreciate you stopping by and saying hi. We look forward to Kelly coming back. Is it Monday or Tuesday? Is that correct? Caleb, maybe you want to put some of the upcoming shows on there? Yeah, Tuesday with Jeffrey Tucker. Jeffrey Tucker.

All right, my dear. We'll see you then. I'm sure we give her the right time. Thank you. Yes, we'll give you the right time, too. Okay, take care. Thanks. Yes, that was part of the problem.

Thank you, Kelly. Guys, I wonder, let's just sort of wrap things up. Aga, I'm going to give you a chance to give some closing thoughts. well um yeah i mean i think just you know that it's it's really important for me and and i think you know for uh the world to acknowledge that that we are in a situation where a lot of people have have been injured uh by these shots uh whether we like it or not and and uh to me it is a big humanitarian crisis and I think it's really important that we don't forget that, you know, I think this summer when COVID was kind of over, people just relaxed and went back to normal and everything went back to normal. And they just,

you know, maybe start paying too much attention. But I think, you know, it's really important that we come together and support each other in this, because I do believe that, you know, we need to help people out there in this situation. Also, because they have been abandoned by their governments and their health institutions. And it's really hard. You know, we need to educate more doctors to kind of see um and be able to identify vaccine injury we need to do more research i mean there's just so much work to still be done so i think you know i think my message is you know that we should we can't forget about the people that are out there and also you know they're part of our communities there's so many of them out there and it's just coming out more and more and And I, I, I think, you know,

there will be a lot of people that, that will need a lot of help and, and we still have, haven't gotten the answers. We have no, you know, solution. We have no one, you know, one, one thing that will help everyone to get better. And people have lost everything out there, you know, they lost their families, their jobs, you know, they're being gaslighted and just ignored. So, you know, I, I think, you know, that that's my message, you know, to, to not forget to support these people out there and, and help us fund more research to find answers for them out there.

Aga, thank you. I'm going to let you go and keep Ed for a couple of minutes. Again, canwetalkaboutit.org and theagawilsonshow.com. Thanks, Aga. I appreciate you spending some time with us. Thank you so much. Thank you. You bet. So Ed, one of the things Aga and I were talking about was the preconditions for mass formations like this and how they develop and how they've happened through history. And it's something in the human system for sure. But given that this is sort of your area, do you have thoughts about what we do now. I guess, you know, with the dot-com and with the 2007 crisis, 2008,

things just, you know, played out in the financial system. But this is now sort of in the societal structure, it seems like, where there's people who seem to welcome this and cheer for more control and more lockdown and more sil you know, more silencing and less exchange of ideas. What do you, what do you, when you, when you sit down and think about these things, what do you imagine is going on and what do you imagine ought to be done about it?

You know, so I heard you and Aga talking a little bit about this before you, I joined and you said something about trauma. I think that has a lot to do with it, cycles of trauma. There's generational cycles and demographics have a role to play into it. And right now, we have a demographic, we have two big demographic groups. We have the baby boomers and the millennials, and then there's Gen X in between and Gen Z. And a lot of the problems can be focused on economic. The country's been kind of hollowed out over the last 40 years. There's not as much family formation, so a lot of people are isolated and alone.

And a lot of the people that really took up the baton of enforcement you know, enforcement on others. You know, we saw, you know, the Karens and the male equivalent of the Karens are people that felt lonely and isolated and powerless. And all of a sudden, the government gave them power. And, you know, when the government gives people power, bad things tend to happen. We saw in Rwanda with that genocide, you know, I heard someone who survived it speak about it, and it really kind of took off once the government blessed it, and people felt like they had, you know, an okay to do what normally they wouldn't do. And I think we saw a little bit of that during the COVID lockdowns, the vaccine shaming, the mask shaming, the social distancing. People really

embraced it because they felt important they were doing a good thing but it really that's how totalitarianism and you know east german stasi comes to power these kinds of things and i think we have a problem socially we have a problem socially too many people isolated not a month not enough community church attendance is way down people don't feel like they belong to something. And people with this felt like they belonged. So is it to bring together communities and encourage people to connect with others and not isolate and find meaning? Which is hard. As you said, when the economic structure is so hollowed out, part of where people found meaning was in the workplace with common goals in the workplace.

And it feels like the, you know, I've talked to a lot of millennials that the inspiration that goes with that just isn't there. Do you feel like we're going to turn that piece around maybe? Yeah, we will. These things cycle throughout history. And, you know, I have a feeling from this great, I call it evil, a great good is coming. It's going to take some time. But I think people are going to really focus on what's dodo bird, primarily because the global financial system is collapsing and you're not going to be able to immerse yourself in materialism. You're going to have to get back to human assets to help you through life rather than your little island into yourself.

If hollowing out of our economy is part of the source of this, your casual prediction of collapse of the international financial system doesn't give me confidence that that part's going to get better. Well, look, it's going to get worse before it gets better. But the number of people who are reprioritizing what's important to them is increasing. And I feel like I've met a lot of great people who are starting to, you know, money is a necessary evil, but it's not their raison d'etre for living to accumulate more stuff before they die. There seems to be a genuine, the response here in Maui, the number of people, the locals that helped, we overwhelmed the government to the point where they had to stop us from getting goods in there

because they're trying to cover up the dead bodies. But, you know, we overwhelmed them and we got our stuff in there. So I have a lot of faith in humanity. I do too. I just worry about how far down we have to go before that correction occurs. I agree with you. I have an optimistic bias. I'm clearly, I noticed that during COVID when everyone was going pessimistic. I thought, well, I don't see it that way. I seem to have a bias on this that made me see it a little differently. And I think I was mostly right.

But I worry when things are in a decline of where the bottom is. That's a very hard thing to predict. Yeah, it's hard to predict. And unfortunately, I'm in a space now where I'm predicting things that aren't pleasant. So people look at me as the prophet of doom, but there is a lot of hope. Unfortunately, change doesn't come easily, but change is coming. The system that we've been under for the last 60 years that's, you know, slowly hauled out the country, caused massive drug addiction in Midwestern

cities going bye-bye. That is now front and center, and it's now in the big East Coast cities, so they can't hide this anymore. I think the problems have to be addressed that have been ignored for decades. You know these Purdue Pharma getting away with what they got away with and the fentanyl crisis and the deaths of despair. Now we have to deal with the vaccine issue too. So I do think it's been a bridge too far. And a lot of these ugly hidden problems are coming to light and spreading, unfortunately, but they had to spread to everybody before everybody could care, unfortunately. Again, I'm always interested in getting people's ideas on this do you have a prescription for the future are you have ideas

about what we should be doing uh there's going to be a realignment of the financial system how that you know whether it's a slow crash or a fast crash you know your guess is as good as mine but the economy is uh going uh the, the real economy is not good. The only thing propping this up at the moment is government spending. And we're predicting a recession, Q3, Q4, Q1. And we'll see how the authorities respond to that, whether they respond with fear or change. And this presidential election is going to be very important.

I'm hoping we have one. And it's not, you know, it's as fair as it can be. But, you know, there's a lot of people invested interests that are clinging on to power. And there's a lot of, unfortunately, crimes of corruption, not just my issue, which is this pharmaceutical disaster. But there's been a grift going on in Washington, D.C. for decades, and it's gotten so big that it's become patently obvious to anybody. Don't worry, Ed. YouTube allows us to question elections now all of a sudden, so it's okay. I don't have to censor that part.

Okay. It's the one loosening of censorship. I became worried when Agha blurted out that she was treated with some of those medications that have been silenced and i i noticed caleb immediately threw up a qualified the look on her face she's like oh what i do yeah so but again i i this is my main issue is uh being able to have open discourse. That is my numero uno. And this idea that platforming people that have differing opinions is going to make people more paranoid.

No, it's the opposite. I worked in a psychiatric hospital for 35 years. You must give fresh air and sunlight to everything you make people paranoid by restricting access to every idea every discourse every every uh everybody's uh participation you you arrive at the truth through conversation yeah but ai doesn't know that drew i understand that's what was happening i understand i understand and thanks for coming by again hopefully we'll bring you again very, very soon. It's always a pleasure to talk to you, my friend. We love you. Yes, thank you so much.

If we update the 23 numbers, I'll probably have more analysis to talk about. Great. As soon as we got it, let me know. Ed Dowd, everybody, you can follow him at DowdEdward on Twitter and also finance, P-H-I-N-A-N-C-E technologies.com. So Caleb, throw up the upcoming shows here. There we go. Mark Cianchisi in here tomorrow. That should be fascinating.

He is a cognitive psychologist. A lot of the stuff we were talking about here today falls right into his domain. Caleb pulled a number of his observations from spring of 2020, where he saw the cognitive distortions underway in real time and called them out. Jeffrey Tucker on September 5th with Kelly back,

September 6th early with Dr. Freeman again, should be very interesting. John Phillips on September 13th, Candace Owens on September 19th, Pierre Corey coming back in on September 20th with Kelly Victory. We also have Dr. Goswami and Vince from V-Shred on the 12th. On the 12th.

And Dr. Goswami is going to fix my shoulders. We're going to talk about that. There's actually a few more. There's a few more episodes that are between all of these that are listed. These are just the ones that I have confirmed right now. So there are a bunch more shows through September. Of course. And I can confirm the 12th we will set that all we will enjoy seeing you there uh i must say i've looked away from the restream for a couple of minutes i'm sure susan was over the rumble rants everybody good over there susan yeah they're

having a good time over there good ed entertained everybody yeah and i'm looking at the restream right now bring back pam Pam Popper. Okay. Yeah. If you have requests, contact drdrew.com. If you have ideas, if you have comments, Susan does look at these things.

You do still look at them, right, Susan? Yes, sir. I do too. Pam Popper again. Yeah.

Caleb does as well. Caleb and I are on it. I do want to bring people back around. Also, join the email list. That's how you get in there. I'm seeing Jessica Rose coming back. Join locals. you'll get more information there too that's true did i see caleb jessica rose maybe coming back again and uh she is maybe coming back yes they're returning i'm not sure which date though but i know that jessica rose is coming up soon

yeah so a lot of the people that we talked to about some of the observations early who've been looking at this data all the way along trying to move this forward a little bit again and i'm hoping everyone will keep an open mind and change their opinions i i am by the way lately increasingly worried about long about covet effects on the excess mortality data i am more concerned about that now given present data than i was even a couple weeks ago. I'm certain that the vaccine has a role to play. I don't know what, because we don't know the exact numbers yet. Again, in terms of determining what the risk reward should be for, say, a 30-year-old or a 25-year-old.

But in terms of the actual excess mortality that is still with us, I'm very worried that a lot of it is COVID. And of course, COVID plus vaccine, because how many of us are in that category as well? All right. Well, thank you so much for joining us. We will see you tomorrow at three o'clock Pacific time for Mark Cianchese, cognitive psychologist. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky.

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