Ask Dr. Drew - Scott Adams – Creator of Dilbert - Speaks on Unexplained Wuhan Videos, Simulation Theory & More - Ask Dr. Drew - Episode 43

Episode Date: August 11, 2021

In January 2020, videos from China claimed to show people collapsing in the streets from COVID-19. But to this day, none of these videos have been authenticated - and the WHO says that sudden fainting from the coronavirus would be "atypical." So what really happened? And how did this influence our earliest understanding of the coronavirus? Scott Adams joins Dr. Drew to discuss this mystery, simulation theory, lockdowns, and more.  Scott Adams is the creator of Dilbert, which has over 70 million books and products in print. Online, Scott Adams is renowned for his provocative discussions about politics, censorship, and media bias. Order Scott Adam’s book LOSERTHINK at http://go.drdrew.com/loserthink Follow Scott Adams on Locals at https://scottadams.locals.com/ Watch more Dr. Drew episodes with Scott Adams: https://drdrew.com/?post_type=post&s=scott+adams Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation ( https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/FirstLadyOfLove). THE SHOW: For over 30 years, Dr. Drew Pinsky has taken calls from all corners of the globe, answering thousands of questions from teens and young adults. To millions, he is a beacon of truth, integrity, fairness, and common sense. Now, after decades of hosting Loveline and multiple hit TV shows – including Celebrity Rehab, Teen Mom OG, Lifechangers, and more – Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio in California. On Ask Dr. Drew, no question is too extreme or embarrassing because the Dr. has heard it all. Don’t hold in your deepest, darkest questions any longer. Ask Dr. Drew and get real answers today. This show is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. All information exchanged during participation in this program, including interactions with DrDrew.com and any affiliated websites, are intended for educational and/or entertainment purposes only. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Trust me. To take your audio to the next level, go to drdrew.com slash blue. That is drdrew.com slash B-L-U-E. Susan, can you tell me exactly what's going to happen with YouTube versus Rumble today? Oh, well, as everybody probably knows, and hi, everybody on YouTube, we're trying not to lose our platform. We've had two strikes. So if we get another one by using the I word or the H word or the Z word or the whatever word it is that's on the blacklist, they'll give us another strike and then we lose our channel, which we don't want to do, but they've already screwed up our algorithms. But anyway, so what we did is we set up an account on Rumble and our numbers are phenomenal because they're not blocking our viewership.

And also we are on other platforms where you might find your other friends on Facebook, Twitch and Twitter, which is Periscope. So Drew will be able to see the Rumble comments today because I set up an account for him. So we'll be looking at it. But if you want to head on over there, I'm going to send the links shortly. But I don't know. Let's get started for a few minutes.

Let everybody load in and we can explain again. Okay. Can I talk to Scott here on YouTube? Is that okay? Yeah, you could talk to him. Just don't use the word. Okay. All right.

Welcome the great Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert. He's a hypnotist, an economist, a persuasion expert. He has a daily stream at 7 a.m. Pacific time that you could find just at YouTube or go to Locals, Scott Adams, and Real Coffee with Scott Adams is, of course, the YouTube page. And I recommend Locals because you not only get the YouTube, the equivalent of the YouTube stream, you get extras after he leaves YouTube and, in addition, lots of other sort of educational programs,

such as, Scott, such as persuasion tips, correct? Yes, creativity, success, persuasion, anything you want. My deal is I'll make your life better. That's my challenge. How dare you try to do that for people? I mean, just the hubris to be able to even think that you could do so, you'll get attacked on Twitter just for saying it. I know. It does seem quite arrogant of me to imagine that I might help another fellow human being. Tell them how you got involved in persuasion and your hypnotist training and all that.

Because again, Scott's talent stack is pretty tall. As I said, economist, cartoonist. He's had many different careers, many different experiences, even though he gets accused of being either a cartoonist or a hypnotist. There's the book, Loser Think, if you want to understand how not to get stuck. He's addressing the psychology of, how would you call it, cognitive dissonance or just the psychology of just negative thought processes? Well, I like to explore the places where people have illusions, where they're

literally just imagining something that doesn't exist. So that comes in many forms, from confirmation bias to cognitive dissonance. And sort of the whole study of psychology and hypnosis is the belief in things that aren't real, one way or another, and how you get there. So that's what's fascinated me forever. To your earlier question, my mother gave birth to my younger sister while my mother was hypnotized by the family doctor. And allegedly, and of course, you know, I wasn't there. So if you want to be skeptical about this, you're within reasonable grounds. She said she didn't have any painkillers. Now, she could also not remember that, I suppose that's possible. But she said she was just

hypnotized, didn't feel any pain, gave birth. And I was so impressed by that, that when I was a young man in my 20s, and when I had a chance, I found a hypnosis school and signed up and became an hypnotist and found out what that was all about. And part of your interest in hypnosis dovetailed into persuasion, which is sort of a subset topic, right? It's not necessarily the same topic. Is that true? Well, I would say persuasion is the big topic and hypnosis would be one skill within it. Others being sales and marketing and any variety of coercion. is the big topic and hypnosis would be one skill within it you know the others being sales and marketing and you know any variety of coercion coercion well

coercion if you have bad intention and it's selling if you're at least trying to break even with the other person you both win something and ideally you're just helping somebody if you're persuading them towards something that's good for them and doesn't help you that much. I think it was you that said that the Dale Carnegie, you know, how to win friends and influence people is still sort of a cornerstone of all this. Yeah, you know, if I had to pick two things that were, well, I'm going to give you three things that were most transformative with the least amount of work. So you don't have to get like a whole college degree for four years. One was hypnosis, several weeks and you learn it.

The other is the Dale Carnegie course. It teaches you to speak in public comfortably, but way more important, it teaches you to do anything with people comfortably you know walk up to somebody in a cocktail party you've never met it gives you a little formula for what to do that you don't believe could possibly work until you practice it you see it works every time every time and just makes you comfortable in all these places that shy people really need a lot of help that certainly was my case. And the last one is business writing. Literally a two day course on how to make simple, clean sentences, which you

also will take into your verbal communications. And you get those three things right. You know how to persuade. Hypnosis kind of teaches you how the brain is mapped in a sense so you know what what works and what doesn't and then how to communicate and uh you know and how to deal with people and you you really have a strong start for just about anything if you have those three things i i would imagine that with that background you you can sort of see through the production of or how fake news is created i just saw something happen to me just today uh you alerted us all to something this morning on your stream about we'll talk about it more over on rumble but how the uh vaccine not just the mandates but the passports are going to be discriminatory and i and i raised that issue because i'm concerned about it. And I had raised it probably a month ago as well and was crucified.

And all they did that time was turn what I said into some sort of lack of understanding that sub-Saharan Africa has a mandate for yellow fever vaccines. Literally, that's what it turned into. That was the fake news. and that got reproduced a million times yeah yeah that the the good news and the bad news about the the wokeness stuff and by the way I'm generally in favor of referring to people with whatever terms they think is respectful and if they want to update them I'm fine with that I think that's just banners that has nothing to do with anything else but the problem is that it eats itself. There's a very predictable cycle to it, where at some point it has to go too far. And when you see it everywhere and it affects

every decision, that's when you know it's probably going too far. And so part of the, let's say the persuasion, and of course the point we're making here is that black americans are less vaccinated so if somebody comes up with a passport you have to have a vaccine to get into some venue it's going to be accidentally you know nobody intended this but accidentally severely racist i mean just maybe more racist than well name one other thing name one other thing that would be more racist certainly the most segregating racially segregating policies of the 21st century period right yeah and but of course it's accidental and i i like to point this out that there's no such thing as a big policy that affects a lot of people that isn't racist accidentally because you know we're all

different so you get these different outcomes so but this one's an especially bad one i mean so it's a little extra evil it seems to me because you're really targeting a group you're not doing it intentionally but that doesn't make it better it doesn't matter you had good intentions that's right and and and so the fake version of, it was actually my son that tweeted this thing after I alerted him to what you had said this morning. And it became, man, this guy, me, will go to any length to make his point. And I thought to myself, what is my point? What is my point that they imagine? Again, the imagining that I'm making some point,

and I actually can't even tell the way they're framing it, whether it's pro or con vaccine. I've had the vaccine. You've had the vaccine. My family's had the vaccine. So it's obviously not anti-vaccine. So I couldn't even tell what they were saying, but it was fake news.

So I think you have probably probably you can confirm this or not you have the same problem i do which is that if you speak of anything with nuance and it doesn't fit cleanly into one of the two boxes because it always divides into two boxes each box will think you're on the other team because they're saying well i don't recognize that as my box exactly so you're in that other box and then they'll attribute all these things that you don't believe to you and uh you know this is a subset of uh I often tease that no matter what kind of national poll you do 25 of the country will have the wrong answer and when I say the wrong answer I mean every once in a while though you pull or it's not so much an opinion you're just either stupid if you say one thing or not and 25 of the public doesn't matter what the question is it's not so much an opinion you're just either stupid if you say one thing or not and 25

of the public doesn't matter what the question is it's just going to be you just shake your head and say what is wrong with a quarter of the public it seems to go doesn't matter what the topic is I don't know if it's the same 25 by the way and like it might be different depending on the topic but it's so consistent yeah i've seen i've heard you bring that up again and again and again and i i wanted to you know i you know how iq distributions go and stuff and and the incidence of people unable to read in our country is quite high right and i'm wondering if it has something to do with really just people not because when i what your point about me fitting into one of two boxes

is absolutely correct. However, what I'm seeing people do is they seem to have lost the capacity to read. They literally can't read what I wrote in a tweet and it becomes distorted, right? See, that would have been the point of view I would have taken too before I learned hypnosis. So once you get deeper into it, it's probably more likely that there's some kind of cognitive dissonance going on maybe that's not the exact thing that's going on but there it's not that they can't read it's that their brains have become blind to the message so if you gave them the same let's say same uh reading level comprehension test on something they didn't care about they'd be fine it's just the caring about it makes them not be able to see

it i i think you're absolutely right i i should uh you know i i wish for something different it's just not the way it is well you know when you thought when i'm responding to people i i often say on twitter you know what's wrong with your reading comprehension? Because the longer explanation is just too hard. Have you thought about how these sorts of glitches in our cognitive systems have figured into world history? Do you think about that? I spend a lot of time thinking about how our emotional development and personality development, you know, I worry about the French Revolution. I worry about the Russian Revolution.

I worry about what those personalities were at the time and things. But I don't have a lot of a good bead on, because the cognitive glitches are so the same. I think they're worse when you have personality stuff, of course, but they're pretty much the same for humans. Do you think about that at all? Well, I start even deeper and I say, how much of history is actually even true in terms of why things happen?

We're pretty good on dates and who died. Like that, we're good on that. What date did somebody die? But then you get into why anything happened and I just don't believe any of it. Is if you look at the news today, do you believe in, you know, whenever the history was being recorded as it was being recorded? Do you believe in, you know, whenever the history

was being recorded as it was being recorded? You believe they were getting it right back then and only recently it became bad? That doesn't seem plausible. So I would imagine, and of course, you know, you have the Eurocentric history and all the winners write the history. So we don't even know what the history is. That's the first problem. But secondly, I wouldn't be surprised that if you had some omnipotent way to look into every historical event,

you would find that there was a cognitive error that was behind almost every major decision or event, at least on one side. There might be a sane side and a crazy side. I feel like you always need a crazy side. Or a lot of the big things don't happen you know your wars etc yeah yeah yeah you got to be crazy to do that quite quite literally right interesting yeah uh or i guess it depends what you call crazy i mean uh right right i suppose anybody who's a genocidal maniac is crazy by definition right um speaking of how history is recorded uh elon musk mentioned you yesterday or today

yeah i don't know it was yesterday i saw the video uh recently yeah he was mentioning i think he was talking about his own company there was some bureaucratic uh nightmare going on in between two departments and he he said he felt like it was a Dilbert simulation, which was a weird timing because the comic the day before was about Dilbert himself, the cartoon character, having a religion that believed he was in a simulation and that he had been created by a cartoonist. Oh my God. So the simulation, the simulation made it seem like a simulation.

Upon a simulation. Right, it was a simulation within a simulation. It's the first time ever. And who better than Elon Musk to have that happen to him. He double simulated. Well, we had our own little simulation wink. Scott was on his stream

and he goes, I'm going away. And I just thought he's going to greece i'm going to grant i saw and i so i dm'd him i go where are you going where are you going he goes greece what island santorini go oh us too what dates the exact same dates the same plane into the island of santorini which which is, what are the chances? How does that work? What are the chances? I'll tell you, it feels like strange things have been happening lately, but I'm sure it's just a perceptual thing. I was taking a walk with my wife, Christina, just the other night, and we were just walking down the sidewalk, and she says to me,

do you have any mints? My mouth is dry. Do you have any mints? Sometimes I carry these little lozenges and stuff. I me, do you have any mints? You know, my mouth is dry. Do you have any mints? Sometimes I carry these little lozenges and stuff. I go, no. She's like, yeah, I really want one. And she looks down on the sidewalk and there, still wrapped, is a mint in this wrapper. And she leaves down and she goes, well, it's still wrapped.

And she has her mint and she walks away. So weird. What's going on right well like how does that happen you know it's i know it's just perceptual it it makes me start to wonder about time and time perception and things but whatever and and then we had two great dinners in gree. And it was sort of the highlight of our trip and, uh, and flew on the same plane out of the Island, into the Island, which is just the weirdest thing. Um, but anyway, thank you for that. We had a great time and thank Christina for the pleasure she brought us and getting to know her. And, and for those of it,

I know Christina doesn't like the cameras and the public stuff, but she's an extraordinary person and she should feel very comfortable being out there she yeah she she doesn't like the limelight she just likes to do her thing so today she's off flying learning instrument flying which if you know anything about that she does really hard i just know it's hard and she does stunt flying as i understand right yeah aerobaticatic stunts. Yeah. Oh my God. And it scares the hell out of me, but I try to be okay with it.

I bet. Susan's afraid just hearing about it. Susan, do you want me to head over to Rumble or can we continue here? It depends on what you want to watch. I mean, talk about, okay, so just explain to all the new people are here and the Rumblers. We started this new platform Rumble because it's not censored and they're pushing our information. We have 750, maybe 800 people over there right now watching. I, by the way, can't see the chat.

Oh, yeah. Go to, click on the, you know, turn it on and then go to Rumble and then scroll down. Scroll down. So anyways, anybody who's on YouTube, we love you. We want you to come over to the other platforms. And I've added the link to all the different platforms, Facebook, Twitter, and Twitch, which is our regular and also Rumble. If you don't have Rumble, sign up if you want. But in the meantime, head on over because we're gonna we're gonna talk about things that

might have controversial words attached well i will tell you to come up i just got this oh there's the live chat okay i've got it i've got it i've got it i do see the live chat at uh at uh rumble down okay good so drew can see your uh magic cord said at the beginning somebody named terry tarantula said yes i see he was a call center manager in the 80s through 2000 you were a major part of my work culture cannot thank you enough magic cord had a comment so anyways you we can see your comments over there in true canalsium and then we see everybody on restream as well but but we will have to say goodbye to to youtube followers right now and hope that you can make it to the other side.

The other side being Rumble, Twitch, or Twitter. Yeah, I'm going to post that. Because here's what I want to talk about. I know you've been getting shit for talking too much vaccine and mask. I want to get into that a little bit and indulge you on that a bit. Yeah, we want to talk about anything we want. I want to talk about Governor Cuomo a little bit. And I'm sort of surprised you haven't been more. You pointed out some delicious stuff with that, but I've been surprised

you've been pretty circumspect in terms of marching into that. And I want to talk about Dunning-Kruger and cognitive dissonance. And also, didn't you want to talk about I don't know, never mind. I think there was also a poll that Scott took that Caleb was really interesting and see and how that turned out as well. Caleb, you want to,

you want to tell us what that poll was? Voice of God, Caleb, which poll? We can't, I don't know. He said he took a poll and he said, Oh,

that was really interesting. Anyways, no, Scott does it. But anyways, we'll say goodbye to everybody and not waste any more time talking about this. See you there. Open up our minds.

See you over at Rumble. We're off of YouTube, I assume, now. We can start to have open conversations. How crazy is it that we've been in YouTube jail twice and now have to walk around on eggshells for fear of God that words about medication that I've been using my entire career should spill from my lips. By the way, I'm not advocating they be used. I'm just discussing the data that's out there about them. But if I say the words back, I'm done. I'm done. I'm

in jail. It's crazy. I mean, it would be one thing if some idiot like me, you know, is spouting medicals, but you're actually a doctor. I mean, YouTube's not a doctor. How are they overriding the doctor? And who exactly is doing it?

Wouldn't you like to meet the person whose job it is to do that? Let me give you just a sample that happened today. The YouTube video that Elon Musk mentioned me, when you play the captions, so you can see it does automatic captioning, it changes Dilbert into Rube Goldberg. What? It actually changes the name of the comic. that assuming there's a human being who's listening to it probably in a country where dilber is less known known than maybe goldberg or they did a wikipedia search to find and that

was the one they came up with but whoever whoever was doing the captioning on youtube didn't know what dilber was which would be a pretty, pretty standard American, you know, icon. And who, who exactly is, is looking at your material and saying that it's bad? Do you think it's somebody who lives in this country? Oh, no, it's, it's a, it's all AI. It's AI. And I hear, here's what, here's a, here's something that's come clear to me since we last talked that I wanted to share with you, which is that I was aware my profession was behaving bizarrely

during this pandemic. I was aware that they froze in place and they became fearful to do anything or to give their opinion. My surgical colleagues kept improvising and doing things, which was very interesting because that's what they do. They solve problems when they're in situations, but they didn't tell anybody they were doing it. The internist, the ER docs, everybody else froze in place. And partly they did it because so many of them are employees now, something I didn't realize. They're all employees now, and they were fearful of losing their job if they said something. So that was sort of in place. Then their move was to cede all of their responsibility, people on my streams have heard me say this, to the FDA, the CDC, and the NIH,

for them to make the decisions. Scott, in my entire career, do you think the FDA, the NIMH, the AMA, the NIH ever had anything to do with my decision-making? They had publications that would sort of advise me and give me information. They had nothing to do with my decision-making for a given patient ever. Now, suddenly, we ceded it all over to these bureaucrats who have not been clinicians in many years, cannot make a risk-reward analysis, and can't change direction. This, to me, is a major part of the story of what happened here. It's sort of the IBM problem. I like to tell this story.

So back in the old days when I used to work for a corporation, it was said that if you bought IBM, you wouldn't get fired even if things went wrong because at least you could say well i bought the best computer with the best service if that went wrong imagine how bad it would have been if i made that other decision so at least you don't get fired right if things would go wrong yeah but imagine you're a doctor imagine you're a doctor and you think you know in my judgment the cdc the fda is wrong on this you're a doctor and you think, you know, in my judgment, the CDC, the FDA is wrong on this. You're dead. You're dead. Because if you're now, well, now. Yeah, but back in the day, they really weren't involved. They weren't involved with us.

I often thought they were kind of off base on stuff. And I proceeded with my decision making. And guess what? They're not there with the individual patient. The idea that we sent patients home with no treatment and said, come back when you're sick. That's incredible. That's never happened before. Wow. Yeah.

Right? Yeah. It all has to do with what's public versus what's private. I would imagine the doctors are a lot better when nobody's watching. That's got to be the case. Yeah. And it all has to do with what's public versus what's private. I would imagine the doctors are a lot better when nobody's watching. That's got to be the case. Sure. Sure. Sure.

Yeah. It's crazy. Oh, did Kelly Victor get canceled? Is she off YouTube now too? So there's a lawsuit now that several friends of mine are involved with. I think Trump is involved with it too, where they are going after these platforms for slander. And that's the last show that was censored on YouTube was the one where we were talking about it. Oh, really?

So we interviewed the attorney. And then we also had Dr. Yoan because he pulled the trigger for us because we talked about ivermectin. And by the way, hydroxychloroquine is a medicine I've been using for 30 years. I just completed a rheumatology. I do these board reviews on a regular basis. And my rheumatology board, something jumped off the page at me. They were talking about using hydroxychloroquine during pregnancy, which I can't think.

And they said, just leave people on it. It's so safe. I can't think of a single medicine where they just go, just leave them on it. It's so safe. Don't even worry about a pregnant woman. they just go, just leave them on. It's so safe. Don't even worry about a pregnant woman. There's literally no other, not even Tylenol is like that. Right. Yeah.

I may have said this before, but somebody told me once that if aspirin were not already an approved drug, if you tried to get it approved today, it wouldn't get approved. It would be too dangerous. It would be very difficult. It would be very difficult. It would be very difficult. It certainly wouldn't be over the counter. It'd be very difficult. Look at all these things. The, before the FDA, a lot of things were never approved and they've just been around ever since then. Well, I know I, well, you know, I was doing a nightly show on Fox 11 here, a local news, uh, uh, network. You know, we were just not Fox Fox News, this was like think the Simpsons or the Family Guy, and we were doing reports on the pandemic. And my co-host, very smart guy, started arguing with me about the FDA. I said, the FDA doesn't tell me how to practice medicine. They're not involved

with that in any way. They talk to companies about how they can bring to market medicines. That's it. How I use them, that's up to me. And that was in the heat of the battle. There was all this misconception about the bureaucracies because they were, I don't know, the bureaucrats were going to save us. But you're also treating a different patient. You're treating an individual

and they're treating a country like it's a body. That's right. Because then you've got to manage the politics and the economics and all that because it's's a body. That's right. Because then you've got to manage the politics and the economics and all that because it's all a body. That's right. In some sense, it's the system, not the people. In many ways, it's a system that doesn't serve us well. So back to Governor Cuomo.

You have not been talking about that very much, I don't think, or at least it's not up front on your stream. I noticed. And so tell me what, what your thoughts are, or is there a reason you've been a little more circumspect with that? Well, I've been circumspect probably, uh, on most topics of personal failing. So I do like to focus more on the politics, the, you know, the big picture of the economics, the psychology, the interesting stuff. The fact

that individuals are incredibly flawed, I find it's almost like porn when you're jumping on them, because there's something about how we enjoy their pain that is very creepy to me, meaning that the Cuomo thing is a big story not because of his supporters. It's a big story because people who did like him for a variety of reasons get to gloat about his destruction. And while we can all have the same feeling that what he did has to be addressed, the legal system and whatever else needs to address it. And I feel like I like to stay out of it if the legal system is going to be addressing it in that way. Unless there's

some cool mystery to it or some element that would change society or whatever. But this is really about him and a bunch of people who say they're victims, credibly. And almost certainly it should end his career. I can't imagine he has anything left after this. But those are all obvious things, right? I mean, I try to find an interesting angle into everything. And this is a story about a guy of a certain age with a certain amount of power who acted like a guy of a certain age with a certain amount of power. Unfortunately, it's closer to universally bad behavior than it is for one-off. And society is dealing with that.

Now, if I'm looking for the interesting angle, let take the the persuasion portion of this name three uh the first three major uh abusers of women that you can think of i actually do that do it the first three that come to your head from you know recent stories the reason probably yeah yeah weinstein probably certainly kavanaugh was up there whether he did or not he was accused right yeah kavanaugh is a special case i think i wouldn't call that but yeah but you've got three three problem three probable democrats right epstein i assume he's probably leans that way or did and so it feels like a demo it feels like a little bit more of a Democrat problem. Biden and Trump kind of cancel each other out because they both had accusations. But if you're trying to make your

team look like the good one, so everybody wants to be on it, this is not helping Democrats at all. Not at all. But let me give them credit the Democrats are quite uniform or unified in calling for his resignation so if I'm going to give them props I would say I haven't seen any Democrats say well it wasn't that bad right and certainly you saw lots of Republicans say that you know whatever Trump is accused of you you know, lots of people, including me, are going to say, well, we don't have proof or whatever. But the Democrats have at least been consistent. They said, all right, for this level of accusation, you know, it's over. Your career is done.

So at least they're consistent. I think certainly with, I mean, looking at Al Franken, where that happened to him, right? I mean, Al Franken had photographs of misbehavior and a report of misbehavior, but it wasn't repetitive misbehavior the way it is with Cuomo. And Al Franken was sort of taken out very, very, very quickly. He probably could have stayed if he'd fought for it, I think. I mean, that's what people think after the fact, right? But, you know, I don't blame him.

You know, maybe it was time for something, for him to do something else anyway. But have you noticed, though, that there's a creepy consistency to how people who are talking about as presidential candidates suddenly are having scandals? You know, as we get closer to 2024, anybody who's on that short list, you know, your Matt Gateses, they're all going to have a problem. And some of it will be real and some of it won't. It's going to make it, I worry about the cost, the human cost of all these accusations, not the group we've talked about. I mean, just the fact that somebody wants to run for president, they're going to have horrible accusations. How do we ever get good people to run for president?

Let me ask you this question. Would you run for president under the current situation? Let's say you believed you had a shot. Would you run? There were people swirling around trying to get me to run for governor. And I don't think I have anything that high, but that doesn't seem to matter anymore. You know what I mean? It doesn't matter.

Right. It doesn't matter. Yeah. And so that's the part that's crazy. So I tell this story just to give people an idea of what it's like to be in the public eye. Because if you're not in the public eye, you have no idea how many false accusations just happen all the time. It's just routine if you're famous. That's right. My most famous one was a woman in Canada who believed that we had been in a long-term relationship, somebody I'd never met, and that I would occasionally travel to Canada,

break into her apartment, rifle through her belongings, delete files on her computer, and sometimes sexually assault her when she's there. Never met her. Every once in a while, she'd go off her meds and call everybody I worked with and tell them that I had raped her. Now, if you're somebody I work with and you get that phone call, is your first thought, no, this doesn't sound real? No, it's not. Your first thought is it probably happened. And what do I do about that? Who do I talk to to make that go away? It doesn't go away. So I've come to peace with the fact that my life will always be a series of, you know, some true stuff about me and some false stuff and nobody's going to know the difference.

And I have to live with that. Nobody will know. I feel like, but I've noticed in the, in the stream every day, you're, you're starting to take on your critics a little bit more, at least in the last week.

Is that just because it's slow news for entertainment or you have, you, are you heading towards something? Well, when I was thinking on the critics, it was on the topics where I feel that the thinking is flawed. So I have the most interest in my critics when they're making an argument that's bad, because if they could correct it, it might change their behavior and potentially other people's who are watching. So I feel like arguing about what's logical and how to do the risk analysis of everything from masks to vaccines to all things pandemic, that's the most important thing in the world right now. I mean, to your daily experience is how you manage your risk. So if I can help people at least sort out what are you comparing? I mean, to your daily experiences, how you manage your risk. So if I can help people at least sort out what are you comparing? I mean, this is the skill of an economist. Anybody with that

background is a little bit better on knowing what to compare. If you look at the layperson, for example, they'll say, ivermectin or something works because Zimbabwe tried it and and uh deaths went down all right so that's like the the average lay person's you know best look at it it's like look this thing happened that thing happened but if you have any experience with you know data or analysis economics etc the first thing you say is you what you got one example and by the way let's update the chart because it turns out it went through the moon and absolutely nothing to support your let's update the chart because it turns out it went through the moon and absolutely nothing to support your argument is in the chart anymore. Right?

It was just a little period where it looked that way. So that's kind of the limit that the average person can handle in terms of doing their own research. And again, this is not a criticism of the average person. If you have not studied those domains, which teach you how to correctly compare the right things, why would you have that skill? I mean, it's like me saying that I could do your job without any doctorate practice, right? So people think that they know how to compare things and manage their risk. They really don't. It's a

trainable skill. And when I talk to people who have that skill, we almost always agree or come down to one assumption where we differ. And maybe there's an assumption there as opposed to a fact. But you can very quickly get to some agreement or at least know why you're not agreeing. But people have never had that skill. They don't know how to even compare the right things. They go into irrational land very quickly. And so I thought just going through my critics' argument would allow the audience to see lots of examples of bad thinking. And I, of course, try to use persuasion to maybe shame people out of the worst of them. Because sometimes you have to shame them away from the bad.

Because, you know, like the 25% of the country, they're just immune to any kind of an argument. Nothing's going to change it. You can shame them. You can shame them off the point. Now, of course, and I have to say this for anybody who's new to me, it's not my job to convince you to get vaccinated or not, or to wear a mask or not. And let me be very clear. I'm vaccinated. I don't care what you do. I don't care what you do. And if it kills other people, well, they had a chance to get vaccinated too.

We're down to the point where living our life is way more important than, you know, whatever the size of the remaining risk is, in my opinion. Now, keep in mind, everybody's using, you know, what data they can get that's sketchy, the best of their ability to predict. So I don't know that I'm right. I don't know that getting the vaccination will turn out to be the thing that I say in the end sure was smart. I only know that I did it and my risk reward would be different than yours. So make your own decision. But I would consider it unethical to persuade somebody to get vaccinated similar to a boxer, a professional boxer doesn't want to get in a bar fight. If he kills somebody, you know, that's a lethal weapon because you're a professional boxer. I'm a trained hypnotist. If I want you to get a vaccination, there's a

pretty good chance you're going to get one. And I don't know if you're going to think that you made the decision yourself in the end. And that's not a moral situation I want to be in. So I'm going to do my best to make sure people know how to do the thinking of it. But I've got to end there. You've got to make your own decision. The one thing that I worry about when it comes to the vaccine

is we have to stop this thing from replicating if we can, because the more replication, the more opportunity there is for bad variants to develop. And so the one case I would make to people who are resistant, well, first of all, we should get the full FDA approval of the vaccine so people could stop saying it's experimental, number one. Number two, Novavax. Yep, go ahead. Can I interrupt you there? Because you can answer the question that everybody's asking me. What extra stuff do you have to do to get FDA approval? Is it just how long you've done the study? Is that the only thing that's different? No, usually it's, I've never been inside the FDA, but I've spoken to the secretary of the HSS and I've spoken to people in FDA before, including directors. And what they will usually say is, yeah, they will usually say what takes the time is completing the third, the phase three trials and the expense of the phase three trials and getting them adequate power, which we have with the distribution of this thing.

The attorneys, getting it through the legal morass takes forever. I had one woman who was an FDA director said the equivalent of two 18 wheelers of trucks filled to the top with paper is how much legal maneuvering goes on to get through the legal concerns about FDA approval. So I believe, I don't know this, but I'm suspicious that it's once again, the legal aspect of this that's taking forever. And of course the company doesn't want to take on a liability, right?

They're going to let them mill through it the way they do. Cause they don't want to have rushed it and then be liable. Right. So lawyers are telling us. I mean, that's kind of what I'm concerned about. Makes sense, doesn't it? Okay. Sorry I interrupted you, but so many people have asked me that question and I couldn't answer it. So that helps. I was just saying that they should go for the full approval. They should get Novavax out, which is the same thing as Pertussis platform. It's an old platform. It works like crazy. They should be helping people reduce the resistance and educating them about what can happen if this thing

isn't suppressed. To answer me this, in this time of incredible technological creativity and elon musk why can't we come up with something a better way of doing this monitoring and following the disease or checking for something that technological it held other than shelter in place which is the most bizarre never before used technique you know that was invented by a 14 year old in New Mexico. That whole idea is not something that has ever been contemplated by the infectious disease community. And it's merely because the Chinese Communist Party did it that the press here demanded that we do it because I know what they were doing.

There was no infectious disease doctor dictating that. That was some sort of saving face government something uh and why can't we come up with that but go ahead how much of the lockdown had to do with what must have been fake videos of people collapsing in the street in Wuhan and have we ever figured out what what up with those videos? Because they clearly weren't true. Were they planted by China to make people panic? Were they just fakes by somebody outside of China who was just playing a prank? Were they actors? I mean, that's one of the biggest mysteries in the world.

Well, the second biggest one is why China hasn't had more problems, but it looks like it's coming their way with the new variant. So I've got a feeling that China's pandemic is still ahead of them. I don't see any way they're going to stop it. Do you? Do you think that they can stop it, even with their draconian everything? No, because all those things do is sort of temporize things a little bit. They don't make it go away. They just sort of give you a little more time. The flatten the curve idea was a legitimate idea. So I'm a little unclear about what strategy is even possible right now. And the Biden strategy seems a little unclear to me because given what we know at the moment, which keeps changing,

given that pretty much everybody's going to get this right we're a variant first of all would you take that assumption that we're all going to get it i i the way i think about it is the viruses and pandemics pretty much always the same phenomenon occurs a a the virus does what the virus does and there's not much we can do about it except vaccinate that's always been or come up with therapeutics which have of late been somewhat of a decent move and we have some decent therapeutics now and the more coming but but we have vaccine and therapeutics and the virus does what it does that that's pretty much it you that there is a there is i i spoke to a smallpox expert who told me that there's a natural that we have the vaccine and therapeutics and the virus does what it does. That's pretty much it.

I spoke to a smallpox expert who told me that there's a natural tendency for people to withdraw a little bit, to sort of avoid social interaction when things get really bad. That just happens automatically, and that can slow things down, but it still does what it does. And we still don't know why any virus goes away right that that's still

like one of the big mysteries is that as far as i know i we could ask some virologists but there's something it's at very least i don't think anyone knows with great certainty why viruses disappear they they they do know coronaviruses typically become more virulent and less less virulent and more contagious that's sort of how that's the history of coronaviruses typically become more virulent and less less virulent and more contagious that's sort of how that's the history of coronaviruses but then people go under their breath but maybe this isn't a normal coronavirus maybe this is you know something happened in the lab and we can't predict this one but but even with mutations what happens to the original the original didn't die the original is still there so it by process of

elimination have we basically removed every possibility of why a virus would die out on itself except that some people have natural immunity it's got to be there there's there's nothing left there's that well there's that and it's kind of like lions and hyenas on the savanna, right? Eventually, a more powerful biology steps in and the older biologies die out. They can't reproduce. They can't for, they don't, the more powerful biology takes over, so to speak. That's the one that gets all the nutrients, which are the human beings. So say that again. So what is the more powerful biology? In other words, as more and more virulent or more contagious strains kick in, they push out. It's like more lions on the savanna pushing out the hyenas. And the hyenas don't have access to the food and they don't have access to the savannah anymore they don't have access to reproduction

because they're freeler of them that kind of thing so so it's an ecology it's like an ecology so you're almost saying and i'm putting words in your mouth here so stop me before i go too far but it's almost as if uh every virus becomes its own vaccine through mutation. In other words, once it mutates so it's not killing you, but it's spreading very fast, then a whole bunch of people will get the weak version, which might protect them against the stronger version. Correct.

And again, I'm speaking out of school a little bit, because I'm not a virologist. There may be other models of this. But the way I think of it is exactly that. And it's the ideal situation for the virus is to be constantly reproducing it in us, but not hurting us. That's the best thing the virus could possibly situation could be in, right? When it hurts us, we avoid it. So go ahead. Yeah. So hypothetically, and this would be completely unethical, but hypothetically, you could engineer a weak version of a deadly virus and use it as a natural vaccination.

Just release it. Yeah. And everybody get infected with the one that doesn't kill you. Well, and that was the original idea on on vaccine right that was the the original sort of model which was we use live live virus but we attenuate it so it can't create bad illness that was the original except except for the part where it's airborne yeah the the the thing i'm adding is making it airborne just like just like a coronavirus then everybody gets it very very uh very immoral and unethical but yeah i mean it's it's a really interesting i i'm not a virologist i don't

know any virologists in clubhouse i don't see them over there but uh but it's stuff like that uh is how biology works i i'm surprised you know i would like to see like a brett weinstein who is an evolutionary biologist talk about this stuff he got very hooked up on the ivermectin thing. I think he got too far down that path. Even though it's impressive data he was looking at, it was good data and stuff, it just clinically wasn't doing anything much. Not to say that people shouldn't be allowed to use it or take it or doctors talk about it. I mean, that's insane that we don't.

There may be something there. I mean, for instance, I know you're pro-'re pro mask even though you're not wearing one right now correct or you don't wear them right now because you've been vaccinated but you know i i i was pro mask and um in certain situations mass makes sense but uh not for vaccinated people going to a restaurant right right and and so with the some of the best data on masks showed that they work, again, however you conceive of this number, at about 15 percent, make about a 15 percent difference in the transmission of coronavirus. And that's not zero. It's something. And that's good data. It's very good data. There's a Danish study that showed some extremely well-done stuff.

They expected it to be much better, which is why you've not heard any press about that study. It showed a 15% effect and it's the only thing that really, really was a good study. But it's 15%. And let's say ivermectin has a 5% effect on the margins or something.

Why shouldn't we be thinking about it, talking about it? I'm not convinced that it has that effect, but it might, you know. Right. Because they're all additive, right? 1% here, 1% there. Yeah, right. Yeah. Right.

It's weird that the one is an absolute national standard that lets you know whether you are a member of a tribe or not and following with the, you know, the... Literally, of a tribe or not and following with the you know the the literally if you don't wear a mask you're thought of as somebody that wants to harm other people which is just bizarre but okay and the other medicine the other thing it's like you're you're you're on the exact opposite of this of the spectrum if you want to use that right but you know the the 15 i feel like somebody will tell us that that's misleading because first of all, the 15%, you know, is viral itself. So it becomes gigantic at any percentage.

And then the other thing is that's an average. So what does that mean when you're talking to grandma with your mask on? Like grandma might be the one who usually gets sick because it doesn't take much, but maybe somebody else you're talking to your kid and they just won't get sick at all. So, you know, you have to be careful of the average. Well, it's funny. I'm going to, after I say goodbye to you, I'm going to show people my antibody score, my B cell spectrum and stuff. I did this thing called an additive score and I've been following it over time. And so you can really see how my immune system is responding to having had

COVID and then the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. And I'm, I'm off the chart immune. But one of the things that I was talking with the immunologist over there is this exact issue that no one's talking about, which is you can be exposed and not get it. And then what does that do to your immune system? And how much exposure do you need before you contracted? And, and if you your immune system? And how much exposure do you need before you contract it?

And if you've had the vaccine, how much exposure do you need? No one is having these conversations publicly really right now. Do you think there's any chance that micro exposure to this coronavirus can give you, you know, I've speculated

that maybe our bodies have some kind of preparation that so they're not your immunity isn't there if you measured that you would see none but it's somehow prepared because they got us got a little sniff of it didn't didn't catch on yes it got a little sniff yes well that'd be the immunologist i was talking to the immunologist i was talking to, the immunologist I was talking to was speculating that this very much, he didn't know to what extent it was a phenomenon, but he was definitely saying he'd observed that. For instance, he said he had trouble finding a control profile that had no evidence of any exposure to virus. Like literally most people have evidence. And he was looking at my profile before he got

sick yesterday with me. And he said, look at this. You have these antibodies. You have these spike pose. You have some antibodies. You work in a hospital. You must, your body had seen the virus even before you got sick. Isn't that interesting? Now I still got sick as hell, but, but there are observations exactly like that. And back to your natural immunity hypothesis, some people may have something on that order going on and there's definitely a uh an ethnic genetic component right that's confirmed right that that some ethnicities it's just true it's true of everything it's true of everything it just is and when it comes to biology i mean our biological background has everything to do with everything you know our background. And the fact that it clusters in

certain genetic or rather in certain genetic groupings, we call ethnicities or races or however we do it. It's not that surprising for any illness. There's different kinds of clusters for different kinds of things. So you would say that that would not be evidence necessarily of a weaponized designed virus, because that would be the characteristic of just pretty much everything what it is but i i i have seen you come close to asking something like that on your stream so it's been something i've been thinking about even though it's the first time i've heard you directly ask somebody this question and uh thank you for uh putting me in that position um I can't figure

out how it could be the case. I can't figure out how it would be the case that that were so. I just can't figure it out. It doesn't make sense to me biologically. It just doesn't. It's not really the way this thing is behaving, really. I think it's more what you're thinking now, which is that, for instance, China's going to see its pandemic soon enough and something's going to happen. Yeah, well, I think we'll know in a month, right? In a month, we'll know everything we need to know about China. That's exactly right. In the meantime, it's kind of something interesting happening.

I'm going to let you go in just a couple of minutes. But it seems to me this version of the pandemic, this recent spike, people have been much more in reality with it, let's say. There's been much less distortion, much less hysteria, much less blind trusting of what the press is doing. I feel like the American people have learned something through this pandemic, and it's mostly of the order of, don't panic, and don't believe what the news is trying to do they just want your eyes do you think that's happened I think so but I've also speculated that

unfortunately the government is a great organization for lots of things like uh protecting the country and fighting Wars and stuff like that But I'm not sure the government is the right entity to make the decisions like this. Specifically, let's just take the mask stuff. I just think that they need to step out because the government really has to manage toward as close as they can get to zero deaths because that's what we measure. And that's what will come up if they run for re-election and everything else. But you and I don't live our lives that way. We're making a risk management every time we get in the car, every time we play a sport

and get on the bicycle. So I think the decision has to go to the public on masks specifically. And I've suggested that people do a soft resistance. So I've started that already yesterday. So we went into two places without a mask and just waited for them to ask. Now, I'm not going to be a jerk to somebody who's working for a living. So I'm going to put my mask on or leave voluntarily. I'm not going to make a problem, but I'm going to make it that they have to ask because at some point they're just going to stop. The employees are just going to say, I can't, I can't do my job. If every third person

makes me talk to them about masks. So I think the people can just take the decision back. The government has to be a follower. They have to, they have to, they have, it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. But, uh, while we were speaking, the New England Journal of Medicine just got published in the last five minutes, and their lead article is very interesting. It's an article on subcutaneous, essentially Regeneron, the monoclonal antibodies, showing that subcutaneous, just these little injections of the antibodies, will prevent transmission of COVID in households where somebody has active illness. It's a big,

this is a big deal. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What's the drug? Essentially it's regenerative.

It's, it's a monoclonal antibody. We're RG regeneron is I think what it is. It's generic name is RGEN. Uh, it's a, it's the same drug that Trump got to treat the what's that yeah i didn't didn't regenerate um oh i'm thinking of remdesivir remdesivir is the one that didn't get

as good a result as we hoped correct these are the monoclonal the monoclonal antibodies so it's it's it's the rgen it's the bamlanivimab, it's the Etisivimir. I took Bamlanivimab when I was sick. It worked like a son of a bitch. It was unbelievable. It kept me out of the hospital. And now this is a big deal. This is like now we have a preventative measure if you have exposure.

It prevents the illness, both symptomatic and asymptomatic. And it seems to me the next phase will be, this may be an early treatment. Also subcutaneous. You can just get it at your doctor's office. It's a big deal. Translate subcutaneous. Does that mean with a needle or no needle? A needle.

It's a shot. It's not a deep shot like a vaccine. It's just you sort of pull up the skin and put it right under the skin. It's a very tiny needle. It's a small amount, usually. Wow. It's RGEN-CoV-2. It's a combination of monoclonal antibodies.

It's Casarivimab and Imdevimab. It's two monoclonal antibodies, but they work. And this is very exciting as far as i'm concerned this is a big deal if they can distribute this wow yeah that's interesting uh yeah i guess that's the practical part right i didn't yeah i assume that if the government does what uh it's gonna have to go through some kind of EUA or approval or something. But the other thing is what happened, the government has bought lots of these monoclonal antibodies.

They have them on a shelf still. Doctors are not, because doctors are so frozen and unable to do anything, they're not infusing it the way they should. But it's free. This stuff is free. The government's already bought it. And so, you know, I don't know if they bought this particular product, but it wouldn't be surprised if they go into the market and buy this one now.

Wow. Yeah. And, and does that sound like the sort of thing that could be ramped up based on what you know about the, the, who needs to give the shot? How trained do you need to be? Distribution? It could be, it's not, it would not have mass distribution but it should it could have big distribution i mean essentially every doctor in the country every nurse could administer it you know you could the issue would be how do we get it and distribute it and are you know does it need what kind of temperatures does it need to be maintained that kind of thing so it's it's kind of a big deal we'll see more to be revealed but it's a there's just a little piece of good news here so there you go oh and it's i assume it's terrible scott uh what do you mean the the the monoclonal antibody the oh the temporary yeah it's not like a vex yeah it's not like a vaccine it's it's it's

really for if you had an acute exposure to prevent yourself from getting sick that's it but it's an interesting idea maybe they'd give it repeatedly to doctors and nurses that work in the ICU. I don't know. I can tell you literally when I was sick as shit, when I was taking it and a nurse showed up at my house and he set it up and he infused me. And I said to him, I go, you know, I'm just going to tell you what's happening now. Cause it's interesting while you're infusing this drug, the colors are getting brighter and I'm feeling stronger. And he said, he said, I hear that all day. I hear that all day long. And then I just stopped getting sick after that. I stabilized and that was it. And then I ended up with long hauler, but I didn't go to the hospital.

So it was really something. Well, Scott, I'm gonna let you go. I promised an hour. I've already taken a little more of your time than I should have. I'm going to stay with the clubhouse and I'm going to talk to those folks in a second. We are staying on all our platforms, but I'm going to let you go. Please say hi to Christina for us and let's have dinner whenever we're up there. You're down here. We're all in Greece again together or wherever. Will do.

Looking forward to it. And thanks for having me on. All right. You got it, Scott Adams. That's Scott Adams says, and you can find him at the real Scott Adams. Coffee with real Scott Adams, at Scott Adams Says, and you can find him at The Real Scott Adams. Coffee with Real Scott Adams. And I found Scott on podcasts because I was interested in what – I don't remember why I ran across him at first, but it was the persuasion topic that he was telling me about that he was talking about on a podcast.

And so I started looking for him on all the other podcasts he'd been on. He was really just talking about persuasion at that point. And then I was on Greg Gutfeld's show, and he said, hey, do you watch his stream every day? And I go, stream every day? It was Periscope back then. I said, what is that? And he said, check it out. It's pretty interesting.

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book and so we try to be very inclusive what we get into there and having a 20 something year old help me with this was a very very important in my humble opinion so i think you if you're a mom of teens or even young adults i think you might like like that. So before we go to calls, Caleb, I wonder if you would throw up that Adatex score that I gave you. It's going to be probably a full screen, I bet, where I'm going to try to show you my antibody profile, my B-cell density, and you can kind of see how things have changed over time. And you can see how I responded to the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. There it is. So let's see here so the memory b cell detection by flow cytometry is up there on on what we're seeing right in the middle of the screen right now and you can see as you go uh let's look

at the rbd and you can see i've got lots and lots of protein compared to the control where there's say 26 i have thousands thousands. And the nuclear peptide, the same nuclear protein, the same thing. I have hundreds and hundreds when a non-exposed person has dozens. So move over across, that's all about my B cell function and the percentage of B cell activity. As you get out there, you're actually seeing my antibody function. And as you see on the far right, the RBD and S1 neutralizing antibody. When I was sick, I had 96 and now I'm at 67 and 70, which is still a very high number. Again, before I was sick, it's 27 and 15. And you see somebody who's never been exposed, it's usually one or zero zero but you can have a little bit of neutralizing antibody flying around now i have literally orders of magnitude more than before

same thing is true if you look at the let's just look at the igg for instance and igm of the s1 that's the spike protein the rbd see how many thousands and thousands, tens of thousands of measurable antibody I have relative to what should be barely in the hundreds. So that's showing both very high humoral response, high levels of neutralizing antibodies. We know that humoral response is effective and high levels of B cell availability to jump on this if I'm ever re-exposed to it. Now, I was given the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. Let me see if we can figure that out. I think it's where I go from 80% and 81% to 81% and 85% of neutralizing antibodies.

So I bump up just a little bit. Let's see if we can figure out where that was. That didn't do much. It didn't do a lot because I was already so high. I was already so high. Go back to the humoral because the humoral is the one where you really see it. You wouldn't see the B cell response until quite a bit later. You see, I go, it's hard for me to see at this distance, but I go, it jumps up from

51,000. Let's say the spike protein IgG spikes from 51,000 to 71,000. And then it kind of drops back down to 65,000. So you can see that I do respond to the vaccine. It's not as though the vaccine isn't doing anything. It does something. And Dr. Nock sent me a study a couple of days ago that showed that people with COVID,

with particular persistent humoral immunity and the Johnson & Johnson vaccine do extraordinarily well against variants. So it made me feel pretty good. Like I can move about the cabin a little bit. Well, that was worth the black eye. Yeah. So what Susan's talking about is I woke up with a black eye on day two and sick from the J&J vaccine. And our son just had the vaccine and he's been sick for three days. He's been sick for five days. And the reason that the black eye was concerning was that's the presenting feature of a transverse sinus thrombosis, which is the for five days. And the reason that the black eye was concerning

was that's the presenting feature of a transverse sinus thrombosis, which is the clot that's so dreaded and complicates the J&J vaccine. So I thought, oh, here we go. We might have also caught a little cold. We were in Nashville. Here we go.

Nobody had masks on. Susan, think about it this way. You know how many colds there are in the United States trying to make people get cold? How many people you see walking around with black eyes? One black eye. No, I was talking about Jordan getting a cold. No, no. I just listened to his lungs. This isn't normal. This is not right. So let me get to a couple of questions on, it's all. It actually, the vaccine gives you a runny nose and a cough. It can give you, it can give you heart problems. It can give you kidney.

It gets into things. You have to be careful. He has to take it for school, too. Right. He was coerced into it. And he is really sick. And he's having brain fog and all the stuff that the spike protein does. And the spike protein is going all over the place, and he's having a reaction.

Yeah. Did you see Leopold's new word for ivermectin? No. Yes, I did. I wrote it on the whiteboard. I see it. Have you tried pronouncing that word? K ivermectin? No. Yes, I did. I wrote it on the whiteboard. I see it. Have you tried pronouncing that word? Kankerschmeckle.

Correct. That's what that word is. So he wants us to start saying kankerschmeckle instead of ivermectin, whatever ivermectin becomes a word. I think I know what that means in Yiddish. Let's see. So Marv Vassar says, what are reliable sources that are used to evaluate COVID-19 CDC stats

I use many different publications Marv Vassar CDC for data yeah Johns Hopkins for data but I just like I just reported on the New England Journal article I watch the medical literature very very very very carefully and I read a lot

and so when stuff comes up and people send me stuff too like i said just dr nox sent me this thing on j and j and recovering from uh covet so it's not one source there is a there is a thing that there's as a physician i get these medical reviews of of uh the uh journal the american medical association publications and all their different incarnations they have they have pediatrics and psychiatry and infectious disease and all these different JMA journals. I get reviews of those. I get other sort of highlights from other journals.

So I get lots of stuff that pours down on me that I pour through at least three times a day. So lots of stuff come at me. If there are treatments that lessen the effects of COVID-19, then how can the FDA fully legally fully approve the EU at V? Yeah, I don't know. Again, you're asking about the legal stuff, which is the big conundrum in the FDA functioning. I don't know how they do that. In other for a EUA, there has to be no other beneficial treatments available in that space. I'm going to bet they start to look at it as just vaccine therapies,

something like that. If there are no other categorical vaccine therapies that are safer or better, you're going to get approved. Look, things are the, and it should be the case, and it is the case that these are emergency measures in unusual times. It's not the usual function of the FDA, I would say. All right, let me take a couple of calls here and see what you guys are up to. This is G unusual times. It's not the usual function of the FDA, I would say. Let me take a couple calls here and see what you guys are up to. This is G Slice.

Let's see if I can get her up to the podium here. Chef Emma B. She says, maybe from now on, approval from pharmaceuticals will go through quicker. Your mouth to God's ears. If that is one of the side effects of the pandemic, it will have been a great benefit

to humanity. G Slice does not seem to be coming so i and i don't see i don't know how to undo so once i invite somebody so let's get uh chad up here chad there how are you today good how are you buddy good i haven't talked to you in a while i'm glad that you guys are healthy good thank you appreciate it I just have a quick question about my 15-year-old stepdaughter is right in the process of Gardasil and also wants to get the COVID vaccine before school. Her mom's, we're not really confident on to give two vaccines like that at the same time. We've talked to a couple of people and they said they shouldn't really interact. They're very different. Yeah, they shouldn't. And plus you can take the, you can,

you know, there's three parts to the Gardasil, right? So there's one, one month and six months. And definitely, I mean, if you wait a few weeks after that second vaccine, you're fine to take the COVID. It's not, it's not going to affect the COVID one way or another at that point. Okay. And then the only the other thing I wanted to ask you is, have you read anything before they're going to start giving this vaccine

to younger than 15 or whatever? I have a nine-year-old son with asthma. Are they going to give it to young ones? They plan to. I can see that's coming. I saw New York had an alert on my phone that said they're giving them out 12 to 17. Yeah, 12 in some states. I'm very mixed on it, guys.

I'm not 100%. Okay. But follow your pediatrician's recommendations. As you get younger, it becomes a very complicated decision. It really is a very different kind of decision than for a 60-year-old plus. It is really easy. It is really easy. Take the damn vaccine.

Take it, take it, take it. Don't even think about it. For adolescents, it's a little more complicated. But if that's an adolescent that is interested in doing what's right for the world, which is reducing the replication and really wants to take a little risk, fine. For a 7-year-old now it gets now i have to defer to a pediatrician i can't make that decision that makes sense all right yeah absolutely makes sense and thank you very much i appreciate you bet all right you see him i like that guy's voice i know uh leopold is in the house he wants to talk about uh shankle schmeckle whatever it was uh leopold i i there

you are hi buddy what's going on kanker schmeckle come on you know we you can have fun with the ai you know why not play uh a game with youtube you know they have these uh algorithms checking you out yeah the yiddish words and yeah use yiddish words and kind of mix and match i i actually was do we we did that for a while tell you the truth uh and it's it's funny we started saying the i word and this and that and eventually leo turn your damn television down jesus oh oh no well she's she, she's watching People's Court on the back. Oh, good. Excellent.

Excellent. Going in the sunroom here. Excellent. Actually, I could go in the hot tub. No, but yeah, have some fun with it. Have some fun with it. All right. Maybe.

Maybe. Maybe. I worry about people jumping in and going, what? What are they talking about? I like it. Susan likes it. The producer likes it. Well, the idea is to show how ridiculous this whole censorship is.

Of course. And the lengths that they're going to go. So why not fight this thing? Fight it with humor. I agree. Team up with Adam and get some creative ways to kind of screw with YouTube. You know, well,

you will sound like you're feeling much, much better. You still have your long hauler stuff. Oh my God. Unbelievable. Like joint pain and everything else. In fact, did you see that latest article?

It gave 97 symptoms for long haulers. And I checked off 75 of them this morning. Yeah. Have you hooked up with Dr. Yeo to see if I can get some treatment? You know, here's the thing, Dr. Yeo, you know, I'm with Kaiser and they, they are so, God, there's, they are the definition of an organization that well you know a bureaucracy right i and you know i work for a bureaucracy so i know it when i see it yeah and and they

refuse to do anything that is you know uh leading edge or cutting science or anything you know and you know you know you were talking about earlier you know, and, you know, you know, you were talking about earlier, you know, the treatments that you had and, uh, you know, I wasn't, I asked for, um, you know, anti-cloning antibodies back in December and they said, absolutely no way. And ivermectin, no way, you know, they, they wouldn't do it. And I remember that it was a very desperate kind of thing oh i was i was yeah and in fact i tried to bypass it jeanette i actually went to mexico to get a treatment of drugs for her and it cured her stuff within days and i was in the hospital for three weeks so yeah it was all right my friend well good to hear your voice good to see you're sounding better anyway i know you're not all the

way there but well i'm just i love the idea of you effing with youtube all right well i'm gonna we'll see how we'll see it's it's a it's a dangerous game my friend yeah i know all right buddy and i have one more i think i'm gonna try to throw up here before we get going uh keith keith seems to hi keith what's going's going on Drew you live buddy what's happening so you may recall I got pfizered in January to February no problems with it I actually work in health care and IT and for the second I work for the second largest health care provider in California and today we announced all employees must get vaccinated or have religious or medical exemptions.

And the largest in California did the same thing a few days ago. So it's common. It's common. Yeah. Well, like I said, my son got mandated and I don't see how he could possibly take the second vaccine. He's been really sick from the first. So he's going to have to get a medical sort of excuse. Plus, he's already had COVID.

So it's an unnecessary medical procedure to begin with, but whatever. So I'm really interested in your take on the so-called outbreak in Provincetown or P-Town, as it's called, in Massachusetts. Yeah, I know P-Town. And especially the media's reporting on it, specifically the relationship between viral count in nostrils directly translating to contagiousness. Huh. So there's a great CNN article from Monday on CNN, believe it or not. White House frustrated with hyperbolic and irresponsible Delta variant coverage. Yes, I saw that.

That was a really good article, actually. Quick quote. A member of the White House's rapid response team responded bluntly. This is on Twitter. They typed this in all caps. Vaccinated people do not transmit the virus at the same rate as unvaccinated people. And if you fail to include that context, you're doing it wrong. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Listen, good for them. I'm all for the truth. And I don't care who's providing the truth. If it's the truth, I applaud them. I'm all for the truth. And I don't care who's providing the truth. If it's the truth, I applaud them. And yeah, I think the panic porn, it just shows the panic porn. And I hope people look at it and learn.

It's an opportunity to learn here that how your press works. They want your eyes. That's all they want. And in doing so, they're going to any lengths. And the truth bears no matter to them. And or they just don't know how to do math. They don't know. They don't know how nominators, denominators and numerators work. You're right, Keith.

But why does it always go a certain direction? If they didn't just didn't know how to do math, it would just be errors all over the place. It always goes towards the panic. Always goes in a certain direction. No problem. Nothing to see here. That's right. Exactly.

That's great. All right, my friend. Well done. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Susan, is there anything more before I kind of wrap this thing up? No, I'm just texting Scott.

Thank you very much. Oh, good. And talking about how rumble was, we had almost 2000 people over that one point. Did you learn that? And you learn about cognitive dissonance and all those cognitive distortions that we assume. I mean, I love Scott.

He's, he's so thoughtful. He showed us at dinner. Uh, one of the dinners we had with him, how he does some of his hypnotic. Yeah. And I was,

I had to be careful not to get hypnotized while we're having dinner. I was like, I was like trying to like bat my eyes and stay awake he's so his voice is so soothing and i was listening and i'm going he's gonna hypnotize me because i and i was a little tired anyway that couple drinks so but he's he's so nice i love christina yeah and i'm glad we were on the same plane i don't think i would have gotten him back as a guest if that hadn't happened oh Oh, that's probably too. I mean, well, I think it's weird that we were not only going to the same island, the same day, same plane. We actually booked him one year ago. And remember when Gutfeld came on and everything?

And then I tried him a few times during the election because he was really going off on the politics with Trump and his, his numbers were just like tripling. Cause he was, he was right in there and he was getting a lot of calls and he's like, I can't do it right now. And I was like, and then I, I feel bad like calling people, you know,

we'd be on the show if they, if they said no. But, but I think, I think now getting to see him there was a big help because we became friends. Yes. And I would like to urge everyone that's watched this stream to check, just read, just even read.

And I'm signing off on you reading it on Google. You can read just the basics so you can have a good Dunning-Kruger when you're done. But I read about cognitive distortions, confirmation bias, reasoning from conclusion, cognitive dissonance. These things are operating at a massive scale in this country right now. And if you don't know what they are, your brain is set up with some glitches in it. So you will manifest them too. And you'll do it no matter what, even if you're vigilant. But if you're vigilant, at least you can be aware of it and sort of correct course and maybe look at the distortions and sort of back back away from them rather than responding to them and deepening them so there's things you can do read about cognitive distortions there are many i did a podcast with

dr uh-oh i'm forgetting his name but i did three different podcasts with a cognitive psychologist where we go over all the common distortions. And his name is Gleb Siburski. I did three with Gleb. You understand why I can't remember his name? Maybe that should be a word for hydroxychloroquine. Gleb Siburski with a T-S, Siburski. And he's a very smart dude and he is a cognitive psychologist. He's a researcher in cognitive distortion. So Scott Adams may start posting his shows on rumble he's very impressed by the new platform excellent and it'd be perfect for him he said he'd have to pre-record and upload but would he or just add it you know because he because he will have to let rumble know and maybe they'll give him a give him a deal that's interesting I know. Kind of cool, huh? Opening up the world.

Okay. So Jax wants to say 50% of positive cases are vaccinated. 51% hospitals. In populations where there's large numbers of people vaccinated and COVID starts breaking through, you're only going to see vaccinated people sick and in the hospital because everybody's vaccinated. And if it breaks through, it breaks through. It's not 100%.

Again, and the Delta makes it really not 100%, maybe 60 to 80%, depending on how good your response was. So relax, everybody. It's not because the vaccines don't work. It's because the vaccines work, we're not seeing massive upticks in hospitalizations and death because the vaccines work in what they're supposed to do,

which is prevent death and hospitalization. Not prevent disease, prevent death and hospitalization. Now, again, the variant has eroded some of that effectiveness, but generally it's still quite effective. And our public health officials should be emphasizing this. Like Keith just said, rather than talking about viral loads in a population, they should be talking about how many people were in the hospital versus how many people were sick and how much better that is. Plus, maybe the people that are getting it got the vaccine because they're like 90 years old in December or January, and now it's starting to wear off. Stop. Stop the panic. Stop the panic. I wonder how old those people are. Shut up. If

somebody is inducing the panic, just tell them to shut up. It's not helpful. It's hurting, and then we get mental health consequences on top of all the uh the infectious disease issues all right so um i'm going to there's still people with their hands up in uh in uh clubhouse but i'm afraid guys we're gonna have to wrap this up so i'm going to end the clubhouse room sorry guys thank you for joining us and also you can find everything at drdrew.tv if you want to see the show and we have it in podcast form if you want to share it uh just go to itunes or go to drdrew.com and find the link there you go we'll see if you want to see the show and we have it in podcast form. If you want to share it, uh, just go to iTunes or go to drdrew.com and find the link. There you go.

We'll see if you want to share this with a friend. That would be great. Thank you guys. And, uh, those of you on the restream, I hope this was interesting. We have a show tomorrow where I think we will go back to taking calls.

Um, or is it going to be Friday? Oh, tomorrow. Um, we, during the feed, I saw that somebody said free kelly victory i guess she's in twitter jail and whatever but she's freaked out and i said i asked

her to come on the the the clubhouse but she couldn't today but she might pop in around 3 30 tomorrow so we'll start the show we'll do some clubhouse questions and then we'll take it off of youtube and wherever else and just have it on Twitch and talk to Kelly. So let me get this straight. I have to find out where she was censored because I know she's part of the suit against Big Tuck. Right, right. So they're censoring her for talking about it, and I assumed that's why we're not involved. So I'm guessing we will start on all the

usual platforms we'll probably end up just on rumble with her or something or twit no we're not rumble i can't connect everyone maybe twitch and we'll do twitter or something but i'm just gonna have her talk i'm not gonna put up her face and her name and everything all over the internet so maybe they'll just let she may stay at twitch we we shouldn't be if she's in twitter jail i do not want to go to twitter jail too okay just saying i'm sick i'm sick of this shit i need more detail i don't know any i have to talk to her but i did it but she her she goes um let me tell you what she said i love her she's just like so cool so people should be terrified they're not getting access to the real information.

It's being suppressed in ways I would have never believed could happen. I think that's true. And, you know, and she's taking the, she's taking the heat. Well, she's in a suit with Trump. So, you know, first strike against, you know, you're going to have to take that. But, but there's a group of people who are all getting the same treatment including us and it they're pissed and it's actually a good suit it actually may win so so the you know the internet's gonna make it hard for them i mean i guess i mean her show was the one that got us in

in youtube trouble so right you know so i mean we were talking about it there if you want to find it you can see on facebook and twitter and i don't know it's out there okay so we will wrap it up i'm just looking at the rumble stuff again there was not a lot of uh chatting on rumble which is interesting a few questions few maybe they're just listening yeah it's not our usual i don't know maybe they weren't even there i would just i thought there were 2 000 people but i the chat thing we've sort of built over time with our with our buddies at on the other channels it's just our regular so the new people probably they're they're not a lot of trolls the mar de vas or sir is very chatty so thank you for um joining us and nice to meet you. And,

um, we had one person say, how do I get out of this? I don't want to watch this. So we had a one person that didn't want to watch, but it's okay. We're, we're very happy and it's good. It's a good feeling to see that we're,

we're getting an audience for what you do. So, all right, fair enough. And, uh, and thank you, Caleb,

you did a fabulous job today we had no technical problems so that's amazing but tomorrow yay the baby's good yeah oh i have a quick question if i can ask uh so i had i don't know if you'll know this part or not but it's i had read that newborn babies resemble their dads more than their mom so that like the dads are predisposed to bond with the new babies because of those genetic similarities so do you know is there some truth to that or am i just like obsessed with this kid's cute little faces that's his face there well both there's both uh and it's not as though that's a an axiom of nature that it necessarily is the case.

However, with primates particularly, infanticide is a big problem in the animal kingdom. And it's the males that do this. And sometimes it's so they can identify their kids and not the others. You know what I mean? And so the others they take out on. It's just very, it's a huge, nature's a huge mess when it comes to infants. You don't even want to think about it. Um, but, uh, it probably has something to do with baby that identifies others, genetics

that you don't want to push through and you want your genes to push through. It's kind of the way primates work. Like I've turned into, you are also just obsessed, right? You see that person that posts all their baby photos on Facebook and it's like, I always made fun of them. And now I have to restrain myself. I can't post so many photos every day and every night because I'm obsessed. It is your father, your father photo gene, your father photo gene is firing off. That's for sure. Susan, you have something to say?

Yeah. Michelle goes, I, Michelle, I said, don't, you know, if Caleb doesn't get back to you, then it just means he's with the baby. He goes, sure has enough time to do those Instagram posts. So Michelle's following you. It's accurate. It's accurate. He's adorable. I love Michelle. Oh my God.

Look at him. Oh, you haven't seen this? You didn't see it? Oh, I just saw it. I was looking at the, I'm looking at the rumble. A lot of people saying thank you on rumble. Thanks you guys. I won't talk too much. Somebody said I was annoying. You're not annoying. We will wrap this up and tomorrow at three Kelly victory at three 30.

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