Ask Dr. Drew - Scott Adams: Pew Study Shows Over HALF Of Young Liberal Women Diagnosed With Mental Health Condition. What’s Causing The Surge? – Ask Dr. Drew - Ep 277

Episode Date: October 21, 2023

In a Pew Research study, over 50% of young women with liberal-leaning political views say they have been diagnosed with a mental health condition: far higher than any other demographic. What is driving the surge in stress and unhappiness? Scott Adams discusses victims of “mind viruses”, the gag order against former President Donald Trump, and the ongoing conflict in Israel and Gaza. Scott Adams is the creator of Dilbert, which has over 70 million books and products in print. He is also a prolific podcaster who uses his training as a hypnotist and lifelong student of persuasion to analyze current events through the lens of persuasion. Online, Scott Adams is renowned for his provocative discussions about politics, censorship, and media bias. Order Scott Adam’s book REFRAME YOUR BRAIN at Amazon.com Follow Scott Adams at https://scottadams.locals.com/ and https://x.com/scottadamssays 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • PRIMAL LIFE - Dr. Drew recommends Primal Life's 100% natural dental products to improve your mouth. Get a sparkling smile by using natural teeth whitener without harsh chemicals. For a limited time, get 60% off at https://drdrew.com/primal • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get a discount on your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), Dr. Drew After Dark (YMH), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

welcome everyone today i have the pleasure of welcoming scott adams to the program i think you know him as the creator and cartoonist from dilbert but you may not know that he's got a extensive background not just in economics and banking and as an mba but he actually became a trained hypnotist along the way and i found him on various other podcasts years ago before he ever became sort of an influencer type. I don't know what we call. I'll ask Scott what he calls himself now. I will tell you, you can find him on Twitter. It's Scott Adam Says.

Also on Locals. He has on Reframe Your Brain. I'm going to bring that up again. We come back after this little break. Reframe Your Brain is his new book. He says it's his best one ever. And the Locals community, where he gives lots of special reframes,

amongst other things, and special content, is at scottadams.locals.com. He'll be here in just a second. Let's get going after this. Our laws as it pertains to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this.

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Just click on that link. As I said, Reframe Your Brain is his new book, and he says it's the best one so far and that the reviews have been over the moon uh find him as scott adam says on twitter and also scottadams.locals.com uh you can find at locals and on youtube every morning by every morning i mean every morning at seven o'clock pacific 10 a.m eastern time he does a uh-hour discussion about the news. He, in addition, as I said, has been the creator of Dilbert, though recently canceled, and we'll talk all about that. And I would ask everyone a little bit of patience with us. I'm noticing there's a little more delay

in our communication here today than usual. So if we step on each other, apologies to him and apologize to you all, or it seems like we're interrupting, which is a common complaint in this podcast because we do things at a distance sometimes. So please welcome Scott Adams. There we go. Welcome. Thanks for having me, Dr. Drew. So I'll let you go on a bit about Reframe Your Brain.

Talk about it, promote it. Why do people love it? So reframes are just simple sentences that put some new code in your head, almost like, uh, reprogramming your head. And you can think of them as a, I'll give you an example. Uh, reframe would be alcohol is poison. Now, one of the things that reframes have that is different than advice is that a reframe doesn't have to make sense. It could just be something that works. So while it's not technically true that alcohol is poison, and I'm not advising anybody to change their lifestyle, I'm just giving options. If you pair poison with alcohol instead of beverage

with alcohol, it just makes it easier to quit so it's a little hypnotist trick so it's a book full of things like that from everything from your job to your personal life to your health uh etc you know there are it just reminds you of something yeah there reminds me of something that um I was involved with a marketing team once. They were trying during the HIV days to get people to use condoms. And they consulted with, I was actually working with the Trojan people, and they consulted with essentially a hypnotist psychoanalyst who had found a way to drill down. Uh-oh, I think Scott just froze.

There he is. He would drill down to the basic motivational influences on the human brain, right? And much like you're talking about, where you put these little things in that may or may not be cognitively directly related to what you want people to do. In any event, I found it fascinating. And he did all this testing and studying and he found the one thing most associated with motivation to at least purchase condoms was a six shooter. You had to associate it with a revolver essentially. And I was like, wow, how interesting. But it makes sense to me also how that our subconscious brain works, which is sort of images and motivations.

And it's not cognitive. Yeah, part of the strange thing about a brain is I like to think of it as having dangling wires. And you can just sometimes take two wires in your brain and connect them. And it doesn't make sense, like the six-shooter and the condoms. But if your brain just has a couple of dangling wires and you can connect them, then their qualities merge. And that sounds like what was happening there. Now, you wouldn't know that without just doing lots of trial and error. I mean, you wouldn't get there intuitively. You would have to just try a lot of stuff.

Yeah, yeah. That's exactly right and and i don't know if you know this about you and i but i discovered scott long before anybody else did i seem to be i seem to be about two years ahead of the curve when it comes to people who have interesting ideas like i found jordan peterson he used to do these podcasts called Maps of Meaning. And I'm always looking for new ways of looking at things and thinking about things. And at the time, he was pulling together essentially anthropology and religion and psychology. And I thought that was the sort of integrative stuff was very interesting to me. And I found you talking about motivation. I was like, I don't know anything about that. I've

never heard anybody talk about that before. And how do you get people to motivate and how do you persuade? And I thought, I need to understand this. And you were probably promoting a book or something. You were making the rounds. It was a long time ago. And I was on the Greg Gutfeld show and I brought you up or something. Somehow you came up or he brought you up and he goes, do you watch his daily Periscope show? I'm like, what? His daily Periscope show? Do you remember you were on Periscope back then?

And he goes, yeah, I've started watching it. And I will tell you most recently, I'll let you respond to this, but most recently I was talking to Greg about you and he goes, yeah, I think Scott Adams has radicalized me. So go ahead. Tell us that history. You know what?

You remind me. One of the reframes is systems versus goals. So I end up being a person who talks about the news every day and persuasion, but that was never a goal. My system was I would just test a whole bunch of stuff and never stop, you know, just testing things and see what happens. So the Periscope was an app on the old Twitter platform. One day, I just said, huh, what would happen if I push these buttons? Am I going to be live to the world? And I was, except the world was four people. And then the next time, maybe 20. And I liked it. And I thought, you know, I think I'll do this again.

I like talking to these 20 people spontaneously, just turning it on. Hey, 20 people. And the next thing you know, it was thousands and tens of thousands. And then here we are. So that's sort of how I run my whole operation. I try a lot of stuff, see what sticks. And I want to give you a chance to talk about what's different on on your locals platform what go ahead and talk about that and and then i'm wondering how do you describe

what you do i use the word influencer i don't think that's quite right but how do you describe it and then what's different about locals yeah i'm almost impossible to describe at this point. If somebody asks me for the quick version, I say author, because that covers a lot of ground authors talk on live streams too. So I just go that way, so it covers everything. Was there a second part of that question? What's going on at locals different? No, no, what's different about locals different that uh no no what's what's

different about locals and what do you offer there oh so locals has my new dilbert reborn comic which is the spicier version of dilbert the stuff i couldn't get away with the newspaper uh you can also get that on the x platform for three dollars just to come out if you want the comic plus my robots read news comic which is about the news plus my live streams plus all my other content then that's on locals for a little bit more subscription service

all right here's what I want to get into I want I want I think there are two broad topics I want to get into one is free speech but the other before we do that um is this is sort of a broad idea to start from but one of the reasons i used to watch you religiously is uh donald trump made me anxious and i couldn't figure out what the hell that guy was doing and you helped me understand that and calmed me down. Okay. I would, I would actually walk away sort of feeling, okay, I get

what's going on. I think at least I have a frame, as you say, to understand it. But lately you've been scaring the shit out of me. You've been, you, you were used to talk about the golden age and the golden age, and now you're predicting things that I just think, oh, dude, what, what do you, what, come on now, get me out of this, don't, don't, don't dig me deeper. So what's happening? Yeah, well, these are different times. I think in times when people are irrationally worried, then my job, I kind of see it that way, just as an adult in the world, is to calm people down. There's no reason to be alarmed. But if it's the opposite and there's a big problem coming, then I'd rather go the other way and say, hey, there's a big problem coming.

You better get ready for this right away. It's part of what I call the Adam's Law of slow-moving disasters. If everybody can see it coming, we're real good at adjusting. And one of the big things is, you know, what's happening in colleges and what's happening with the left and what's happening as the children are being trained to have a certain point of view, it looks real dangerous. And in particular, when I hear people throwing around the word colonizer, and I realize that I've been lumped in that group, to me, that sounds like a death sentence now i realize that sounds hyperbolic but uh you should

if you're on the x platform follow up mike cernovich as well he's real good at calling out what's going to happen before it happens and he's seeing this the same effect that the basically the way people operate is they have thoughts. Thoughts turn into words, and the thing that happens after words is action. And that's an action word. Colonizer is not just, I'm an academic, I'm talking about stuff. Colonizers get your pitchfork and your weapon and readjust things and take money from the colonizers and give it to the people who are colonized so there's a whole lot in that word and when you see people casually banding it about at a certain age range especially that is a gigantic red flag and if you don't stop that you're dead and likewise

immigration everything is good in the right amounts of immigration do a good job of it but if you just allow people in because they want to come in and you've got this broken asylum system there's no way that can go anywhere except disaster so those are the things that i i refuse to make people feel comfortable is they probably need to get a little bit more uncomfortable to fix it. Oh, that's interesting. All right. So see, now I feel better. So I understand what you're up to. To your point about words becoming action, on Lex Friedman's podcast, Greg Lukianoff, I sent you that podcast. He talks about how his concern is that the culture of free,

a culture quickly becomes law. And he was saying a culture of free speech is important, a culture of censorship. These are people that then go out and start making the law or start adjudicating the law, and it quickly bleeds into the law if that culture isn't attended to very, very carefully. He's the guy that's the head of – he's been the head of or worked with FIRE, that organization that Harvard ranks so poorly on. He's a very thoughtful guy. uh but uh so to to that point the you know free speech has been well what did you think of the

harvard situation for instance what do you what was your take on that where the where the president came on and said look we allow all all things to be said here which good i agree with except that's not been their policy for quite some time yeah the the inconsistency is the thing that jumps out about the Harvard situation. But my take is that we've lost free speech. I don't think that's – I think that's behind us. I think it's already gone. And what I mean by that is back in the Thomas Jefferson days, free speech meant the government specifically couldn't take away your freedom of speech. And that's largely still the case.

But as a matter of fact, the way we speak is now online. And it used to be, you know, one farmer saying some crazy stuff isn't going to hurt that farmer too much or anybody else. Now, if you say crazy stuff, everybody's going to hear it. It's a permanent record. You are absolutely going to get punished if you're on the wrong team. So at this point, speech is close to free. It's penalized if you say anything interesting. So the way I like to say it is you have the freedom to say things that are uninteresting. That's it. As soon as you're're interesting somebody's going to kill you because that that's that

signals that you're an enemy you're persuading on the wrong team you know you're associated with bad people according to somebody so yeah we don't have freedom of speech in any in any practical way if somebody wants to say blah blah blah the constitution it's only the government i get it there's no argument there i understand what it meant in the Constitution. I just mean in a practical sense, it's already gone, and it's a function of the Internet as well as our division. You can talk about maybe how you ended up with some free speech, which you sort of have.

And it's odd to me that what's happening, what it's doing, it used to drive people underground. Now it's driving people into sort of, I'd almost call them markets. You know, it's like groups of people that want certain content and want certain products. And they're sort of isolating themselves from other groups.

It's very weird. Yeah. Yeah. I, it feels like, uh, we've, we've become so bubbleized by the fact that, uh, if you say anything, you'll be destroyed. So you got to stick with your team. At least you get a little safe that, uh, free speech is mostly sort of like a prison situation, right?

If you stay with your group, you're not going to get in trouble. But if the other group finds out what you're doing, they're going to come after you. So like you said, I've got a little bit more free speech than other people do because I already got canceled. So I can't be canceled in newspapers any harder than I am because I'm already not in newspapers. And if anybody sees my work now, which is way edgier than it used to be,

their subscribers typically don't complain. They just unsubscribe if they have a problem with it. So I've moved to a place where I can kind of say what I want because I've also limited my audience to the ones who are willing to hear it. Does that free speech? It's kind of a pocket version of free speech, but take the current situation. Take the war situation. I don't feel that I could say, for example, balls and strikes the way I normally would. So normally my brand is that I'll say what works and what doesn't, independent of politics if I can.

But when you're in the middle of a war, it's hard not to take sides. And if you don't take sides, you're going to pay for it. So at the moment, since I'm pro-Israel in this situation, and pro-Israel in general, I'm going to be a little bit silent about things that I might have thought of the way as both sides of it. It's like, well, you've got to consider this other thing. But at the moment, you really don't need to consider that other thing because things are just going to do what they do.

Our opinions are not really going to change anything that's happening over there. So that would be a case where people will self-regulate probably in a good way. I don't think that's bad. I think a little self-regulation makes sense of the situation. It's odd to me, though, how it's shifting the political landscape a bit in the sense that 70% of Jewish folks are Democrats and now all of a sudden their team is fragmented into a couple different factions uh how do you have any thoughts

about how that's likely to play out well if you're talking about the politics of it is that the question well I I'm I just I'm seeing odd things i have people that used to champion um certain institutions or certain uh players out in public all of a sudden are finding that those players are not on their team and and being explicit about it And where are they going to go then? And who are they going to support? How's that going to work? You know what I mean? It's just, it's just things seem, the sands seem to be shifting all over the place.

And it's just going to create, I think it's going to create some strange bedfellows. I mean, I imagine, you know, people that come out very strong pro-Israeli position, even if they're on the right are going to get some some people so that they wouldn't have otherwise had supporting them yeah i think the uh the jewish vote in america and the black vote are really hard to predict this time uh if yeah if trump gets a few more gag orders and he doesn't say anything he's going to be in good shape because the only thing that could take Trump out of contention at this point is anything he says himself. So just gag him up. If you want him to win, just gag him and he'll just float into the

election at this point. His biggest liability is his mouth. That's hysterical. That is hysterical. Or his words, whatever the case may be. That's funny. Yeah, I worry. I'm really, I don't know what to think anymore. But I'm sort of, I told Megyn Kelly a couple of days ago, I said, I'm thinking about not voting because whatever happens, I want to say I wasn't a part of it. I have this very, but you know what I mean? But, but it might, it might, I may be something good. Well, I don't know what to think. I just don't know what to think. Do you have any predictions? Well, the prediction I had, which was that the longer Trump was out of office, the better he would look. And I think that's been true. He didn't start any wars and the border looked better and there was less inflation, although that has to do with outside of everybody's control somewhat.

So I think he just looks better and better. And January 6th is, as much as it got people going, I feel like people just get used to anything. And it's just going to turn feel like people just get used to anything. And it's just going to turn into noise if we wait a couple more years. It'll just be a thing you kind of vaguely remembered. And what was it he did? Oh, yeah, they tried to put him in jail. But probably at that point, we're going to say, oh, it turns out that talking is not illegal.

And then people will just say, all right, well, forget about that January 6th thing. I guess he was just talking and encouraging people to be peaceful. So we won't put him in jail for that. It was extraordinary listening to the three entrepreneurs, Shamash and David Sachs, those guys in the All In podcast, talking about how they had been brainwashed by the press and how much admiration they had now for Jared Kushner and what he was able to achieve and how competent he is.

And it was really, it's a strange thing to sit and listen to them talk about how do you not know, I guess if you've never been the object of a report in the press or something, you wouldn't know automatically how distorted and phony and full of nonsense the news and the press or something, you wouldn't know automatically how distorted and phony and full of nonsense the news and the press is. Yeah, I'm actually working on, I just started getting serious about it today, actually, a guide for people to learn how to interpret the news and to know when it's propaganda and when it's news. And wow, would that have been useful a few years ago?

You know, for example, how many people in the general public would know that even if a major news network comes on and says, we have this anonymous source that said that the president strangled a baby in the White House. And how many people would know that anonymous source one is almost never true. Yeah. You would, you would kind of think,

well, it's probably a jump ball, right? Might be true. But you'd have to, you'd have to watch a lot of news before you really. One anonymous source. The odds of that being true are very low.

And I think that the way they get away with it, because the news would rather have two sources. But if somebody writes a famous book and says they have a source, then the news is talking about the book's claim. So they can get away with doing their own research there, which is clever. You know, Brian Holiday, he's the famous advocate of stoicism he's made a whole career on stoicism actually i strangely i got him into stoicism he when he was in college it's a it's a story but but he wrote a book when he was uh yeah isn't that funny he wrote a book called trust me i'm lying uh and that book has got to be 15 years old. And in that book, he talked about how he got these sort of radical or at least rampaging websites to write articles where he would be the anonymous source, and then he would then direct ABC News and all the other so-called legitimate, there it is, there it is, the legitimate sources, legitimate at that time news agencies to these apocryphal sources. And it would get reported as news and say, see, it's news now.

That's it. Doesn't Nancy Pelosi call that the wrap-up smear? So the idea is that a politician who wants to plant a story will talk to their favorite reporter. The reporter will say, well, I have a source. I'm not going to tell you who it is. They'll write a story. And then the reporter who gave that person the story will say, hey, it's not just me. It's also in the news.

So if you don't believe me, just leave this news story. But it's all comes from the same place. Yeah. Now, if you didn't know that was a thing, you couldn't spot it. But once you know it's a thing, you can maybe look for it in the news. Yeah. Yeah. It, I, I, I was, uh, I I'm doing something on October 28th by,

by the way, you should come. I agreed to moderate a panel with RFK Jr. and Asim Malhotra in San Jose. So there it is. They are, I don't know why I have equal billing there because I really am just going to be in the shadows, just, you know, sort of hopefully poking at the content and trying to make sense of it

and maybe get some discussion going. But it's at the San Jose Pacific Center on October 28th, so please do come on up to that. And then we're going over to Steve Kirsch's house, who's become wildly anti-vax afterwards. He has a fundraiser for RFK Jr. But I'm just, you know, I'm in this stage right now

where I'm interested in hearing from all these people. These people get silenced. They get sidelined. I want to hear what they have to say. I'm interested in new ideas. You know, I don't know what question I really have,

except say, is this going to be the new normal just from now on that you have to kind of be worried every time you have a conversation and you have to be careful and justify everything you do and say. Yeah. Well, in terms of the medical stuff, when you're doing it online,

is that what you're talking about specifically? I'm just, I don't, you know, it's going to be mostly medical. It's going to be about – really, it's going to be about – I think the entire – what I'm interested in, I think what the entire focus of the event is going to be is regulatory capture. How regulations become excessive and how it's become populated by people who were in the government and then go over to the regulation side and so this there's this incestuous thing going on and it certainly looks bizarre it look you know with the way things have gone recently have suggested that there's something up and and then in this particular presentation we're going to talk about the food industry too and how that's also been captured yeah you know i think the most useful thing that the public should know, and it's rarely reported, is who used to work where, who used to be whose boss, who has a spouse that's on the staff of somebody that's important to the story. And if we could map that, if there was some kind of a program where you could say, okay, this person is in the news, you just punch it and the whole tree of connections comes up.

Suddenly it makes sense. You're almost always going to find a money or power connection in all these big stories. There's always somebody who's some billionaires backing somebody who invested in something and their spouse works on somebody's staff. And that ends up being the real story. The story that is almost too complicated to report, but that ends up being more true than what you see publicly. Hey, you're onto something, my friend, in terms of having a useful way of assessing the news and how, how, you know, false is it? This would be a great instrument.

My God, if somebody could come up with that, maybe one of our tech friends or something, or there's some way to come up with this. It feels like something that should be able to be carried out, but it probably, you probably need a, you know, a motivated website like project Veritas or something out there doing it regularly. Well, yeah. And you also need to see the map of the organizations, the fact-check organizations, the watchdogs, the think tanks.

And it would turn out that you would find that the heads of all these groups, or at least important people on those groups, came from a very specific background in politics, and they know the same thing. And so are they, are they operating independently? You know, if there's a fact check, this may be a little gray area. Could you depend on it going the way that their bosses would like it to go? Their old bosses, because the old boss is the future boss, right? In politics, the last boss is also going to be the future one or the one that gets you the next job.

So the biggest thing that I've learned in the last few years is, and a friend of mine said this, and I was laughing when I heard it, because I used to believe it too. And it goes like this. It couldn't be true that this whatever is corrupt because that would require hundreds, if not thousands of people to all be in on it. And there's no way that would be possible. There would be whistleblowers, et cetera. And that's just not true. It turns out that getting a lot of people to say the same thing that's not true is so simple. They just have to understand that they will make more money if they say one thing than the other. Their entire careers will depend on being on the right page on this question. You don't have to wonder if they're going to be independent. Nobody is independent.

And then you say, but wouldn't there be a few people who would still go against the grain? Yes. And they're called nuts and they're dismissed. You saw it with COVID. You see it with climate change. There's always somebody who goes against the grain. So if what you're looking for is those few people who are going to be the rogues, they do exist. They get dismissed.

And if you're wondering why 98% of them just just shut up it's real obvious follow the money money is so predictive especially big money we're not talking small money right we're not talking about somebody bought a scratcher to win the lotto we're talking about the whole of your career right if you just say one wrong thing yeah it's gone yeah yeah that and so so there's a positive side and a negative side right you can make money if you toe the line if you don't toe the line you'll not only not make money you'll lose everything i mean you've been the you've been the object of some of this and we've both been sort of hit with this stuff uh and and it is it is you know it can be devastating for people. It's so harmful for them. Forget their mental health. Their whole family could be affected. It's their livelihood we're talking

about. And people do this. It's a guillotine without any concern for what happens to them. So there's A, the culture. There's a culture that says all this is okay. And that's the tribe. And if you don't stay with the tribe, well, and that's the tribe. And if you don't stay with the tribe, well, now you're in trouble. And if you really go against the tribe, you're in big trouble. And if you're hired, if you're working with and for the tribe, well, now they have a way to get at you. And I think almost, you know, I know the positive of money is very, very powerful, and that's probably the place where big money comes in. But I have a feeling that the numbers of people that are dragged into these things is really more on the negative side, where they are fearful of running afoul of the tribe, running afoul of their employer, running afoul of the culture, and being put up on the guillotine.

Yeah. I mean, it, it definitely is both though, because if you're a medical professional, you're probably thinking, if I say this in public, that's a whole industry. That's not going to ask me to a speaking gig where I make my real money. Yeah. So, so, uh, and even when I was in newspapers cartooning i was completely aware but i couldn't say because i knew the business model i knew know who advertises in the newspaper etc and now i'm free of those things but but it was very limiting all right we're gonna take a little break here um uh i again i saw i just saw the way physicians acted. And just to push back a little more before I take a break, which was the guys and gals that do the speaking is a tiny, run afoul of the employer this is a new thing

they're screwed and so yes this was this was at least i saw how that operated with physicians during covid that one fact that most people don't know well you just said that most most doctors have a boss i never really thought of that because I just assumed doctor, private practice. But nope, we've got bosses. Oh, yeah. And listen, you work in the Kaiser system. You're a patient there, which is actually a good system. But imagine how that could run amok.

It's a very comprehensive top. I had a friend that ran afoul of it, trying to do something very legitimate. And now he's the toast of the entire West Coast for what he was advocating for. But he very nearly lost everything for standing up and going, here's the right thing to do. So that's medicine, everybody.

That's the opioid crisis, guys, was the best example of that. It was the physicians that did it. The drug companies blew wind into the sails, but they didn't start it. They weren't the regulatory agencies that perpetuated it. They just capitalized on it. We're taking a little break. When we get back, we're going to discuss a Pew study on women's mental health after the break.

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And we are back. We're talking to Scott Adams. You can find him at Scott Adams Says on Twitter and scottadams.locals.com. Scott, I did not know I was going to discuss this Pew study, so I am extremely unhappy with myself. So I'm coming at this from an uninformed position uh for instance i i've just read the headlines and as you know headlines don't mean anything anymore uh but the headline was that 50 of liberal women may have some form of mental illness caleb maybe you can email me that oh it's you put it up scott Maybe I could find that. Because I don't know what they qualified as mental illness. What's that, Caleb?

It's in the email. Check the prep email from today. And I linked over to. I'm looking at it. You might have to study in it as well. Under my head. Well, here's the chart that Scott had posted. Okay, put it up.

All right. Okay. scott had posted okay put it up all right uh okay and one of the pew have a has a doctor or health care provider ever told you you have a mental health condition wow that's interesting okay so that's the threshold uh and it gets and it's younger worse shocking uh and as you get older it's better women worse than men interesting Interesting that the moderates actually surprised me more than even the liberal thing, right? And I'm sure people will want to dismiss it as, well, you'd be mentally distressed also if you were putting up with the fill in the blank.

No, that's kind of not how it really works, though I would argue that if you look at the younger folks on that graph, it was highly predictable what we were going to have in the younger population as a result of lockdowns. They are so dependent on their social environment for their development and well-being that you take that away from them, you will end up with mental illness of various types. And God knows the educational failures and those who are most at risk are the ones manifesting this most significantly. And now MSNBC, I just saw a thing

a couple of days ago, MSNBC is saying, oh no, these are all myths. These are all myths. It would have been thousands of dead children, thousands of dead teachers if we had not locked down schools. And these people are promoting myths. No, look at the graph. Look at the graph. Where do you think that came from? Yes, younger people, I mean, mental illness does come on in the 18 to 22 age group, but we are way above our baseline, way. And yes, there's a lot of other things going on in the world, but nothing has the impact of something like code. What's that, Caleb? Something interesting about this graph specifically is that the survey was from March 19th through 24th of 2020. So this was like right around the time that pandemic was going straight up.

People were very much aware of what was going on. So it seemed like an interesting time for the survey. I'm going to say it's going to be worse if they did it now. At least there will be a steeper curve directing towards young people. But you put that up, Scott. What do we do with this? Well, I'll tell you that the tough part about it is there's so many reasons that people might be going crazy. You got more screen time, less nature. There was a study

about how people need to be physically active at least a little bit all day long because we're meant to that. We're meant to be outdoors. That's wrong. But the big shocking part was the difference between the liberal and the conservatives. And I think there's a real obvious, let's say, first hypothesis for that. The conservatives, by the time they're 18, let's say, if you're a female, you've got a good idea what you need to do. You're thinking, all right, I'm going to be going to church. I'm going to get married to a nice guy. I'm going to have a family. I'm going to be a mom.

And that's my life. And even if you don't think that's the perfect life, maybe it's not, you know, ideally suited for your personality, at least it's a structure. And everybody does better if they've got a plan or a structure, even if they deviate. But imagine if you were growing up as a liberal in 2023, and you're a woman, you could be a boy, you could be a girl, you could be non-binary, you could be a boy you could be a girl you could be non-binary you could get married you could have you don't have to you could have a a real a relationship and kids of course you could be conservative and do that as well but you have almost too many options and there's lots of research that consistently says you give many too many choices and it's

actually really disconcerting. Put on top of that, our food supply is probably terrible, our screens not moving, the pandemic on top of that. You have the fake news, so much power that it just makes you crazy every time you turn it on. And I don't know how you could not see this result. It's the most predictable thing in the world it seems yeah i would think that would be true and uh i i the well i've got lots of

thoughts about it but i i just am very concerned i i do feel that you know humans need close relationships they they need you know freud said this work love and play right and without close relationships that are stable over time whatever that means for a given individual i'm not saying you have to get married i know you have you have issues concerns about that as a model um but you have to have but you need intimacy of some type you need closeness you need you need caring you need attunement you need is a lot of you know brains need other brains and and you know bodies in space are very very important it's one of the reasons screens are so destructive um and i just feel like we've done everything to get in the way of that yeah i mean the one thing i think about lately

i'm no expert on this but um i've had several people explain to me that they had addictions and let's say they joined aa that the addiction was sufficiently replaced by the uh interacting with the other members of the group yeah Yeah, the fellowship. And that is such a mind-blowing reframe in a way that if you imagine that, you know, like a drug or alcohol, the sedictions you could possibly have, and it's matched by just having some time with people every week.

Maybe that's everything. Right, right. Maybe that should tell us how to fix everything. Well, yes, that's what right right maybe that's it's it's tell us how to fix everything you can you well well yes that's what i'm saying but but there but there's something more interesting that that you know i've obviously studied this stuff which is it's not just the fellowship it's that it's the relationships you make in there and you know some of the recovering people tell me you know the coffee the coffee group we have after the meeting is as important as the meeting to me. But what I have, through my study, have noticed is the 12-step process is a guided, intimate interaction with another human being who understands you deeply because he or she has been where you have been. So it's first, powerlessness. Let go.

Get out of your head. Powerlessness is just about just stop thinking you're the center of the universe. And your brain, by the way, has some proclivities, so you can't rely on it. So let go of that, number one. Number two, have some sort of faith, something, some sort of faith that the sun's going to come up tomorrow, something, some faith. And then the more important part, sit with another human who's had a lot of experience in recovery and talk about your failings, things you feel horrible about, your guilt, your shame. And that other person just attunes to you and really mostly says, I know, me too. I've been there. I get it. And then one day, you're that

person being of service to other people and attuning to other people. That's the healing process. And it does not only a lot to heal the addiction or regulate the addiction but it regulates trauma and so many people have childhood trauma that go towards addiction so it has a you know dual functions and and the research has shown that really whatever you need professionally there are similar mechanisms in this whole recovery thing, which is this empiric model that's been developed that can be used the same way, sort of cognitive behavioral models and dialectical behavioral models. And they're all kind of embedded in the steps if you do them certain ways. And by the way, it's free. It's free. This is the thing that drives

me crazy. It's free. It's available 24-7, and it's free. And it has an effective, measurable outcome that's good, and it's free. And why would you get in the way of that? Why would anybody object to that? I feel like there's some way to reproduce the good parts of that without the addiction part for people who don't have an addiction. I agree. How could you organize people to make dinner together? Just a group of 50 people who just decide, well, we'll just always make dinner together, whoever's available that night.

Or something like that. And then just bond over a shared activity. There's nothing better for making friends than a shared activity. Nothing tops that. 100%. 100%. than a shared activity. Nothing tops that. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. You may not remember this book, but this author that wrote this book

saw this issue coming. He didn't know this sort of mechanism within it, but he saw what you're talking about decaying. It's a book called Bowling Alone. There used to be bowling clubs. There used to be gardening clubs. There used to be gardening clubs. There used to be religious organizations. All these things were people gathered and shared together.

And we just, and the screens were the last nail in that coffin. You know, I had never thought of that, but I'm thinking of my mother used to have a Scrabble night. The ladies would come over and play Scrabble. I used to be playing tennis with a small group of people, but I like laps. Yeah, all of those organized

little activities are the stuff that makes everything work. So you and I, and Traveling Companion of your choice, and my wife, need to go back to Santorini and we need to sit and brainstorm this issue. Well, apparently you know where I'm going. Just tell it kinetically. It's so weird. We ended up in Santorini at the same time, but that's not the weird part.

The weird part is that when I said I was going to take a vacation, that Dr. Ju actually contacted me immediately and said, is it the same place I'm going? And my first thought was, no, obviously. It's the whole world. And then not only was it the same country, it was like walking distance. How do you explain that?

I mean, I can't even explain wait you're forgetting a part you're forgetting a part we took the same plane from from wherever we were in germany into the island like we like two rows away from each other how did that happen it's so nutty and and and it's so and i gotta tell you something when you said when you said you were going uh i dm'd you meet i i. I actually had a chill that came over my body. I thought, oh, my God, he's going to Santorini. I just had this weird, I just thought, wouldn't it be, it's too much. And I chilled.

I had a bodily-based reaction. It was weird. Yeah, I know. So there we were in Santorini. We had a good time. Well, there's something about reality that we don't completely understand. I'm convinced of it. Yes, sir. that we don't completely understand. I'm convinced that we just don't know how any of this is wired.

I do think humans share a communication that we don't know about. If you've ever been a patient in a therapist's office or done therapy with a patient, you will see things go back and forth that's just uncanny. You can't explain it. Experiences and things that people share in a setting like that. I think it was pattern recognition, actually. Like below your level of awareness. Like there was some pattern you picked up that why I would take a certain kind of vacation. Maybe you picked up that I don't like a certain kind of vacation maybe you picked up that i don't like the snow so that narrowed it down there weren't that many places open so i i and i

also feel like so so this will get a little more penetrating i think that you've watched me enough and vice versa that we have a sense of how the other would think. And if you were going through the process of deciding where to go, we probably just went down the same funnel. That's my guess. That is true. That, yeah, that rings true to me. But didn't Christina set the whole thing up? So I don't know.

I didn't know her at all at that time. But I said yes, meaning that there's always lots of possible places to go. Fair enough. So let's get back on track here. Although we've had an interesting sidebar here in terms of solutions from the big problems that you see coming down the pike. And by the way, as it pertains to that, you're talking about calling people colonizers and oppressors and this kind of stuff. The one thing, there's a book in the 50s, they tried to figure out how to manage racism. Like, what do we do with this mind virus we call racism?

And they finally discovered that they could only come up with one solution, and it became became the title of the book it was called contact you you learn you make contact with people that you have biases against and you learn that they're just other human the same as you same thing we're all the same and so contact is is another and this is sort of back to the bowling clubs and things but i'm wondering in terms of this oppressor oppressed thing, is it gone too far? I mean, I know you were very interested in what Candace Owens put in her back and

forth with Megan Kelly today. We can talk about that too, but have we gone too far for contact to be a solution? Well, you know, the real world versus the online world is so different. If you walk down the, the walk down the sidewalk in any major so different. If you walk down the,

the walk down the sidewalk in any major city and you see, let's say it was going to lunch and stuff. I mean, it's the most diverse place in the world. And I've never had a, like a, a racial problem in person. I've never had any kind of, you know,

difficulty because somebody had a different religion or a different, anything in person i've never had any kind of you know difficulty because somebody had a different religion or a different anything in person i've never had any kind of anything but it lives in this concept online that obsesses us yeah i i think that's right and so it it but but to be again back to well i don't know because people are living online so much that even with contact, when they retreat back to the online world, they probably remit, they got to go back into their, their nonsense. Um, okay. So let's talk a little bit about what you saw with Candace Owens. Cause you seemed, uh, shocked by what she put on the Twitter feed where she was, uh,

well, there was a couple of things. There was this back and forth with Megyn Kelly about her defending essentially people on college campuses to express themselves about whatever the issue is and not having a bad impact on their career from then on. She was like, imagine if each of us had to toe the line of the position we took as a sophomore in college. I mean, that's just unthinkable. She's right on that front. And then she also put up a paper she had to write and an extra credit that she was urged and was actually criticized for not going after.

Talk about that a little bit and so that the second one was she um reminded me that the paper was uh she had to write a paper project it was project yeah so she had to write a paper from the point of view of the new york times which has some conflict with project veritas but she had to take the new York Times' side of the argument. And she asked reasonably, if it's an assignment, why can't I take either side? That seems like a pretty good question to me. And then she was also asked for special credit or extra credit to get involved in a protest, which might not even be a protest she was interested in. And I thought, this is way beyond

education this is pure propaganda brainwashing and that was her take on it as well well talk for a few minutes about brainwashing and how it works and how do we un deprogram people that have been brainwashed i i you your your daily show lately has sort of been very steeped in this material. It's upset me a great deal. It's made me think about this a lot, more than I wish I had to, but I feel like it's a responsibility. Tell people who may not be regular viewers what you're thinking and what we need to do.

Well, I don't know that you can deprogram somebody directly. Just say everything you know is wrong and this other side is right, if the other side is even right. But what you might be able to do is teach people to be critical consumers of information. Teach them to spot hoaxes, spot ops when somebody's just playing an op on you. If you could do that, you could probably get people to the point where they can talk themselves out of their point of view

if it's wrong. But short of that, I don't think you could directly influence anybody. That's the bad news. People are so sold on their side that they're really just arguing a team and i think they even forgot that they should be reasoning these things out and and by the way yeah uh i'm gonna need to take a break like really quickly here so if you

have a okay plan break this should be a good time to do it. Okay. Go do it. And do you have 10 or 15 more minutes to hang out with us? Oh, yes, I do. I'll be right back. Okay. Yep.

All right. So let's go ahead and take a break. Maybe I will go to some calls here while we're in. Let's bring up. Let me see what this is. Oh, my goodness goodness Amy Godala I think that's what that is I give her a chance to ask a couple questions and again if you want to if you want to ask a question on the Twitter spaces you just raise your hand there you twitch hit the the mic in the lower left or the request low left hand corner and then be sure to unmute yourself once i call you up amy you're still muted um and sometimes of course yeah there's the our famous cartoon that caleb very

kindly put together for us amy if you don't unmute that mic i'm going to throw you back into the pool here for a minute i it's unfair i know because sometimes people walk away from the twitter spaces all right she's gone uh Josh, let's get you up here. Hey, Dr. Drew. Hey, man. So I just want to talk about narcissism. And I feel like it's such an easy thing to talk about, but it needs to be talked about every day,

especially if you're someone suffering from it. And we sort of live in that kind of culture. So it's going to be there in some way. We can always get closer to other people, if you're someone suffering from it. And we sort of live in that kind of culture. So it's going to be there in some way. We can always get closer to other people, I feel like. And that's going in the other direction of narcissism. But I think Scott had some really interesting ideas. It's too bad he's not here because I think what he's talking about

is that a lot of this is sort of unavoidable. I don't want to put words in his mouth, and it's kind of healthy. There is a healthy narcissism. There is a way to be, there is a way to be communal with other people. And if other people call you narcissistic and you're doing well and you're then screw them because they don't know what they're talking. You know what I'm saying? So, um, and I think you've, you've, you've told me that before. There's a healthy narcissism you know for the fighter pilot for the surgeon and um i think it's really hard every day to try to separate those two things out and and am i being narcissistic and what i really love to do

can i be better i feel like we can always be right maybe you can comment on that yes well i i would say josh it it is the the mitigating factor is very much what we were talking about with Scott, which is other people, right? Very few people actually have narcissistic personality disorders, right? And a true disorder, when you have full-blown narcissism, it's almost impossible to function in a relationship. Because when other people have needs or their needs run directly afoul of yours, you don't care when you're a narcissist. You lose track of people's feeling states and you really don't care. And those people are not treatable because they see the whole world as

the out there is the problem, not the in here, when of course this is the problem. People with narcissistic traits can have all kinds of different uh variations on a theme and that's really what's going on these days is that so many of us have these narcissistic traits had some childhood injuries of various type and it's getting amplified by the current environment that's what i find most troubling as opposed to something that would de-amplify it, which would be what Scott and I were talking about, clubs and that sort of thing. Hey, Caleb, you're going to let me know when Scott is available? Yes, I was just about to prompt you. He's back now.

Okay, so we'll bring Scott back in here. People are interested in what we were talking about in terms of getting relationships going. It's interesting to me that that somebody would bring that up right away and it it you know I my papers on narcissism I noticed because I get notifications when academics are reading them we're getting read all the time now this is a paper I wrote 15 years ago and so people are sort of getting the sense of what's going on in terms of you know the the personality styles of our time uh i i think you and i are on to something there in terms of you know gathering and groups and community and relationships i i just think that's it's almost always the solution

that's you know even when you look at uh mythology and you know, the first epic poem is a poem called Gilgamesh from Sumeria or something. And even in that one, at the end, he goes on this crazy tour into the underworld and whatnot. And at the end, it's very much like Candide, you know, from Voltaire. At the very end, he's talking to somebody and they go what'd you learn from your trips and he well it's important to go serve your community return to your roots go serve your community and voltaire summarized it as it's a you must cultivate your garden just go cultivate your own garden is there is that is that good advice for the present moment or is it so unrealistic because of social media and whatnot?

You know, I'm really liking Arnold Schwarzenegger has a book called Be Useful. And I've heard Jordan Peterson say the same thing, and I've said that in my past books as well. In fact, I've often used that to summarize my entire philosophy, Be Useful. Now, I don't know how universal this is. I think it's a little bit universal, but for me personally, it wouldn't be sufficient just to hang out with other people. I would have to know that my contribution

to my group was substantial, and then I can feel good about myself. So in my current situation, being single at the moment, my attentions are, you know, how can I make the world better? It's a weird thing to wake up and think, well, what can I do that would make somebody's life a little better? Or ideally multiple people. So I have the advantage of doing that online. And then people tell me, oh, you helped me lose weight or I quit drinking or whatever.

And I feel amazing amazing it's like i did that so there is a way to connect online if you're being used but short of being useful you're not really getting the whole benefit there well i i actually agree with you uh and you know uh i didn't know we were going to get into philosophy today but aristotle actually said the same thing he said he had this term called eudaimonia which was translated in this country as happiness we probably got that wrong he meant more like flourishing or thriving excuse me and he started to figure out what things humans need to really thrive and he thought friendship was a key ingredient in this. Oh, goodness.

I'm now having a reaction to something. Excuse me here. It happens to be in this room once in a while. Okay, I'm back. I just needed some water. How embarrassing. But he then said, you know, to really be thriving, it's something, it's like you said, be useful. It's a service, right? Be useful. But he said really to be really useful, he added a couple of things that I think we leave

out in this country or in our culture, which is you need skill. So you, you in being useful, you've always been a, a, a persuader, you know, hypnotist, but you develop, you've developed some more skills through being a cartoonist and now delivering these podcasts. And that's a skill you've delivered a skill. And that is, helps you be in writing books and whatnot that helps you be eudaimonic, be, be of of service be of useful and the other thing is wisdom he called it phronesis or wisdom and that is experience

really at its core and certainly you've had plenty of experiences lately and through your lifetime to sort of have a something to offer people does this ring true for you yeah i'll tell you especially the age part, the things that I didn't know at 20 that I can navigate easily today. It's amazing. And if you work with anybody young, just say learning a new job or something, you forget how much you didn't know at the age of 21 or whatever it is. So yeah, there's just a tremendous advantage of seeing lots of patterns in life. So when a new one comes up, you go, ah, I've seen that one before.

I know how this, this movie ends. It's quite an advantage. So I like to write books that can transmit those patterns to other people so that they don't have to wait as long to figure it out. That's good. That's the wisdom part. That is the wisdom and experience thing. So just to wrap things up, you've been very kind with your time,

and we've been – oh, reframe your brain, of course, is part of that wisdom and part of that giving forward. I want to just finish up with more brainwashing because you've been um deep in it um is it is the reason we're brainwashed the the news the press the way it has sort of um and we could you know there's a whole history to how we got here i mean i i understand that the 24-hour news cycle was impossible to fill and all of a sudden we're filling it with talking heads and opinions and then it started uh developed into sort of camps that were chanting

to their camps and then trump derangement kept there did you by the way invent the term trump derangement because that now is part of our common lexicon no but i was a early adopter so i think i helped popularize it but no i i think i think there was a bush derangement syndrome before that. Okay. So in spite of the fact that our history makes sense and how we got here with our news, is that what's responsible for so much of the brainwashing? Is David Sachs and Shamash correct, that it was what they were being fed that gave them their opinions

and that they were not being, these smart people were not being objective about what they were being fed? Our opinions are provided to us. We have the imagination, the impression that we have free will and we come up with our own opinions because we did our own research and stuff like that. But you will rarely, if ever, find somebody who has a strong, informed opinion about politics that doesn't identically match the news source they're watching. Now, that's not a coincidence. Some of it is, there's a little selection bias, of course. They're selecting things that are more likely to them. But when you look at the exactness of their arguments, if they're debating yeah it'll be what a what a pundit said what jake tapper

said what hannity said yeah and it's really obvious if you're having just that it's just verbatims now but i think the big problem was we gamified in a way that wasn't possible before so before if you had you know a, maybe you discussed it over dinner. But if you're smart, you didn't talk politics over dinner. But today, I get up in the morning and I'm like, game on. Who dares say something that I can mock today and that I get a dopamine hit? So I'm literally addicted to conflict. Now, I keep it in perspective.

So to me, it does feel like a game. So I don't take it too seriously. I'm not going to hate somebody who disagrees, but I think most people kind of get carried away and the game becomes real. And the times that I debate with somebody who has a, let's say opposing view, and it doesn't really sound like they're even doing something like a debate they're just you know throwing little grenades and getting a little dopamine hits from every like like clever thing they said so it's just a dopamine gamification situation in is there any advice for how to manage that? Because you obviously can't have an argument or a discussion even. Is there a strategy here, a system? Well, honestly, if I didn't do this sort of for a living, I wouldn't watch the news.

I think it's so destructive because it's designed to get your energies thinking about something that you can't do anything about usually, and you're really worked up. So I don't know about you, but I've had to take a number of little short media vacations during the Israel-Hammaz situation because I can't handle it. Like I can feel my brain is just's just not being healthy anymore and i just i gotta pull back for a little bit but it's like that all the time for the people who are online every day yeah i had a conversation with my son yesterday who's in his early 30s and he was like you know he's uh you've always been able to see the wars this way or quite you know see that from

the perspective of the person perpetrating these things and all. And I said, not only that, listen, during World War II, you would sit in a movie theater once every couple of weeks and see a news reel. Somebody with a film camera filmed something, brought it back physically to an editing bay and somebody voiced over and talked about it and edited it and decided what you were going to see. I mean, that's where you got your news. Then you got your nightly news and somebody had a video camera and would bring that back and edit it and look at it and transmit it. And then the 24-hour news cycle just blew everything up. And then obviously we're watching in real time with the internet. True.

But there's always that step where somebody in the military or the CIA tells you you can show this image to the rest of the public. I mean, everything you saw in a newsreel was just pure propaganda. They didn't show you any limbs falling off or anything like that. It was just, America, look how easily we're winning. You know, it's a war, but it's kind of fun at the same time. That's literally what people were told. Right. Right. Right.

Yeah. Caleb, you trying to jump in here? Yeah. I just wanted to point something out that I noticed earlier. Today, I went to four of the top news websites, just being curious about how they suddenly changed direction, just following what is most profitable and getting the most clicks. And I just went down their homepages, and I just searched the word Ukraine. And all of them except CNN had zero mentions of Ukraine

at all on their homepages. CNN had one mention of Ukraine on their homepage this morning. They all moved immediately over to this entirely different news story as if nothing is going on in Ukraine and Russia right now. They've moved on. Nothing to see here. Nothing to see here now. Nothing to see here, buddy.

It's hard when you realize that the things that you thought were most important are only because they told you you think that's the most important. If Ukraine had just not been in the news, I'm not sure I would have even put it in my top 10. Even if everything was happening the same way, I just didn't hear about it. And nobody told me it was the end of the world. I'd just go on with my day. It's like, well, that's too bad. I wish that wasn't happening. But yeah, so now we're told that the Middle East is our number one thing, and maybe it

is. Well, Scott, it's always fun to spend a little time with you. I appreciate you being here. And like I said, we've walked into some really interesting territory today that suggests solutions. to operationalize sort of a 12 step style relationship or community or something where we can bottle that and get people to use it a little bit. I mean, I suppose, to be fair, religious organizations have been using things like that forever. You know, 12 step came out of religion to some extent.

So I don't know. Maybe this, I don't know. Again, I spent a lot of time thinking about this stuff. I don't have a clear head on it yet. Any last thoughts you want to give us for that? You go, well, it's a big old crazy world.

And, I would give everybody advice to take a break from the news. You know, as I said earlier, um, I'd also say that I've been trying those, uh, Dr.

Huberman techniques, you know, where you where you take two breaths, two inhales and one exhale. Oh my God, does that work? I didn't think you could immediately feel it, but you do. I've also been trying grounding. I'd love to know if that's real.

You take your shoes off and you just walk in the dirt. That would correct you electrically. I've been going out and looking at the sun before 10 AM when I can. That's another Dr. Hoberman thing. This stuff works. It's and I've also cut out with sugar and eating bread and my body feels terrific.

If your body feels terrific, the mental stuff's a lot easier to handle. So take care of your body. Yes, it is. Give some sun and get some friends. the mental stuff's a lot easier to handle. So take care of your body. Yes, it is. I've been doing, give some sun and get some friends. Thank you, sir. I'll talk to you soon.

Thanks, Dr. True. You got it. Uh, and let's Caleb throw up the schedule for upcoming guests. Uh, we have, uh,

tomorrow we have Dr. Michael Turner with Dr. Victory. Of course, Carrie Lake, uh, we've been on and off with Carrie, but I think she's back on again for sure. And then Caleb has a baby coming. There's the baby.

It really is a countdown now. That baby looks like it's actually out of the womb. That sonogram is so good. It's nice little 3D sonogram. It's amazing. We even did one that was 4d it would have cost me i think it was 80 bucks per photo for a 4d one i was like eh we'll stick with 3d i don't need a fourth dimension of this kid we'll see her soon i don't know gravitrons i mean what is 4d it was

like a much clearer image that they were trying to upsell us to and i'm like i'll pay for 3d maybe not we don't need this fourth dimension guys all right so we um are going to have no show for the week of 24th and 31st uh susan and i will be in florida that week uh right am i correct on that are we getting this one yes this is this week and then uh that week uh the 23rd are we going to do callers on that day there might be a possibility i'm not 100 sure about? There might be a possibility. I'm not a hundred percent sure about that. There might be, I would say that's probably a,

Oh, to do it for me like Kelly. I'm not exactly sure. Cause the schedule is changing. Pretty sure that one is a no. What I do know is that. So on November 1st, November 2nd,

November 3rd because that's right after the baby's getting here and i will probably be on like maybe an hour half an hour of sleep each of those nights we're going to be doing a special week of callers only shows so we're going to start out the plan right now is to start november 1st i'll show all of it with calls everyone line up your calls for anything about COVID, vaccines, medical freedom. Then November 2nd, it's going to be callers without anything except COVID. No COVID calls, everything else. Okay, fair enough. Then November 3rd, it's going to be an ask me anything, any topic,

call in and ask Drew anything. So it's three caller shows. Get all your questions in. I dig it. Now, the 23rd, the only way we could do the 23rd is if we go to the local, we're going to be in Miami or something. Uh, if we go to the local studio, which I am doing the next day with Viva Fry, I will be in the local studio with him on the 24th, but I don't think we can pull that off on the 23rd. So let's just say for now we're not doing that. Okay.

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