Ask Dr. Drew - Shane Cashman (Author & Timcast Regular) on Eliza Bleu Controversy, East Palestine Derailment & The 2024 Presidential Election – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 211

Episode Date: May 6, 2023

Shane Cashman is a writer, investigator, and frequent guest on Timcast IRL. He is the author of “Tales From the Inverted World”, “Joyless Kingdom” and “The F***ing Lunatic”. Read Shane’s writing at https://www.shanecashman.com/ and follow him at https://twitter.com/ShaneCashman Shane Cashman hosts the popular paranormal podcast Tales From the Inverted World, where he investigates the mysteries that lie beneath the surface of everyday life. Shane is a writer for Timcast News. His writing has also appeared in VICE, BBC, The Atlantic, Penthouse, Atlas Obscura, and the LA Review of Books. He is the best-selling author of four books: Joyless Kingdom, The F*cking Lunatic, and Tales from the Inverted World volumes 1 and 2. He has appeared on the Bret Easton Ellis podcast, Timcast IRL, Tin Foil Hat with Sam Tripoli, The Confessionals, and more. Most recently, Shane profiled Ye (Kanye West) as well as Kari Lake during her election trial. 「 SPONSORED BY 」 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew • BIRCH GOLD - Don’t let your savings lose value. You can own physical gold and silver in a tax-sheltered retirement account, and Birch Gold will help you do it. Claim your free, no obligation info kit from Birch Gold at https://birchgold.com/drew • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. Hundreds of millions of people have received a COVID-19 vaccine, and serious adverse reactions are uncommon. Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician and Dr. Kelly Victory is a board-certified emergency specialist. Portions of this program will examine countervailing views on important medical issues. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 ABOUT the SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 GEAR PROVIDED BY 」 • BLUE MICS - Find your best sound at https://drdrew.com/blue • ELGATO - See how Elgato's lights transformed Dr. Drew's set: https://drdrew.com/sponsors/elgato/ 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 For over 30 years, Dr. Drew has answered questions and offered guidance to millions through popular shows like Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Dr. Drew On Call (HLN), Teen Mom OG (MTV), and the iconic radio show Loveline. Now, Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio. Watch all of Dr. Drew's latest shows at https://drdrew.tv Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome, everyone. Today, the guest is Shane Cashman from TimCast. We're going to be opening the phone lines up for him as well over on Twitter Spaces, so do join us there. Shane, of course, is a writer, investigator, frequent guest on TimCast IRL, author of Tales from the Inverted World, Ghost of the Civil War. He's going to talk about, I'm very interested in what that's all about. He also has Joyless Kingdom and The FN Lunatic. He hosts a popular paranormal podcast, and he's had several articles go viral recently, including some material on our friend Eliza Blue and the one and only Kanye West. I'm dying to talk to him about all of it.

Stay with us. And as I said, we will take your call, and you're agreeing to go out on multiple platforms if you raise your hand and I bring you up. Let's get to the show. Our laws as it pertains to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous.

I'm a doctor for f***'s sake. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying. You go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want to help stop it,

I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. And welcome everyone. As I said, Shane Cashman is our guest. The new book is called Tales from the Inverted World, which could be a story about the present moment in this country or in the world for that matter. And as I said, we'll be taking calls off on Twitter spaces. So raise your hand there. You click the button in the lower left-hand corner. Caleb has a nice cartoon to show you how to do that. So welcome my guest, Shane Cashman. There's that cartoon. There he is. Hi, Shane. Welcome. Hey, how's it going? Good. So tell me about this book. What motivated it? What are we going to learn by reading it? I went down to Washington, Georgia to look for Confederate gold. I thought it was going to be

one article about the story of the Confederacy dissolving in that town of Washington. The Confederates had fled Richmond after they burned it down towards the end of the war. It took all the gold. Shane, I'm going to interrupt you real quick. I'm going to interrupt because our audio, again, is just a mess. It's cracking. Yeah. So why don't we, Caleb, why don't you take him off? Refresh.

Refresh. Yeah, just very quickly refresh. I'll take a couple calls while we're kind of watching here. And, of course, I'll make Caleb a co-host at the same time. Yeah, there's a lot to talk about today with Shane. I hope you all stick around for that and ask questions. How's that? There he is. Is that any better? There you are.

Much better. Okay. We may have to do that again a couple more times. I have OCD about this stuff. Okay, let's start over. All right. So you went down to Washington, Georgia. Why Washington, Georgia? Why did you select that area? A guy by the name of Clint Brantley emailed us and said that he told us about the story

of the gold going missing in Washington. And I immediately was interested because I grew up in West Point where a lot of Civil War generals had gone to school there. So I went down and met Clint and I knew within about 30 minutes that this was going to be more than just an article because within within that 30 minutes i'd already talked about the gold i saw this gold tourism economy happening in that town where everybody's got a metal detector looking for the gold and oh no oh everybody yeah and they immediately don't trust you especially me with my yankee accent as they would tell me all the time

uh because they they want to find it. Everyone believes that it's there still. It must be there. People have found parts of it. They've claimed to have found a lot of it in old chimneys in the woods. But within that 30 minutes, and I then meet a lady who kind of becomes like my gold competition. And she goes into this historic museum, which is where I'm having my first meeting with two historians. And she runs out screaming because she starts saying that the ghosts are too loud in her head, or maybe not in her head. I don't know yet. So there's something about that town. There's something about that town that just sparked my interest. And the more and more I kept kept digging whether it was current events happening there that were weird

or or the beginning of that town because in like 1830 i believe it was there was a man who wanted to shoot the devil so they buried him on his standing up in the ground with a musket and a bottle of whiskey to shoot the devil and now there's a perimeter of churches in this town to kind of like, I don't know, a defense of evil. Keep the devil out. Yeah. So I have been fascinated by the Civil War too. And I know you live in Harper's Ferry. And I was fascinated when I went to go visit Tim

and do the Timcast that it was in Harper's Ferry. And he didn't seem to make much of that, interestingly. It's all just, I guess he's grown up or is just used to that being around him. But I get very fascinated by these things. And in recent years, I'm just wondering if this is meaningful to you, and we're going to get on to other stuff very quickly,

but I wonder how much the Civil War still really affects us, not just from the standpoint of the war itself and the trauma and God knows what we all went through with that, but the run-up, the issue of slavery running into it, the disastrous Reconstruction, the Jim Crow era that followed on the heels of Reconstruction. I mean, it just was one thing after another for 75 years, maybe a hundred years. And I don't think we understand how fully the echoes of that are still where a lot of the conflict comes in today's world, in this country, at least the politics.

Yep. Oh yeah. It left a psychological scar on the landscape and in the people for sure. You know, during the war, there was so much death that people were turning to seances then. You know, Mary Todd Lincoln was having seances. I remember leave the red in the red room right of the White House. You know, there was so much. Well, apparently it was that it was not just it was not just the it was a little specific from my reading.

It was they had so many outbreaks of infectious diseases particularly cholera that it it destroyed a whole generation of children and they were in and the mothers became interested in recontacting the children not these were not the soldiers they were going after it was the children at the seances i so i've read yeah yeah i mean it's it's interesting because in this town in washington these families, like the Clint Brantley, I was telling you about their family's been there pre-America, right? Some of them are from the Creek and Indian, like Creek Indians and Cherokee who were in this area before they came over and colonized that. So they have stories from the revolution leading through the war, then through the depression, the boll weevil.

And you can see, you know, because these people can carry those stories, it's like trauma through the generation. And where I grew up in New York, we didn't kind of have that connection. A lot of the trauma my family had was in Europe or Russia, right? Right. No, that's right.

Yeah, so that's what I find so fascinating about the present moment. I feel the presence of those traumas that the people of this country went through. My family came in from the whole of Delmar. They were running away from Stalin and famine and Russian Revolution, and that was bad enough. And somehow, once immigrants get here, they adopt the traumas of this country's past. It's kind of fascinating.

Oh, yeah. It was really interesting. I was able to meet a lady, I believe she was in her early 90s, but she had living memory of the civil war because there was a man who fought in the civil war who lives so old to such an old age. So they crossed paths when she was a young girl. So it was like, I was able to kind of just like walk through a portal and talk to someone, you know, from the war, basically. That's how fresh in their minds the war is, you know, among other things like the whole evil destroying the cotton down there. Yeah, very interesting. All right, let's talk about some of the other things that you've been sort of scrutinized for.

Let's talk about our friend Eliza Blue. Let me just quickly just say she was a friend long before she was a firebrand. I knew her. I guess I saw some tweets about her doing advocacy for essentially for women and violence against women and things. Traffic women. And trafficking. And she was very zeroed in on trafficking, of course. And I thought, good, this is somebody I can get behind. I'm interested. And she told me her story. She didn't name names. She didn't out anybody or make it anybody else's problem that I was aware of. She was just interested in helping trafficking victims.

And I will sign off on that. I don't care what anybody's story is. I don't care if they distorted their experience. I don't care if they underestimated their experience. I don't care if they distorted their experience. I don't care if they underestimated their experience. I don't care if they're passionate about helping people in need. That's sort of been my frame on Eliza. She's a lovely person. How the hell did she become this weird firebrand? So I believe it was sometime after we did IRL together, which is maybe January or early February, people started picking apart the story that she'd been telling.

Sorry, Shane, you got to refresh again. Yeah, because this is important. Yeah, just refresh real quick. We'll keep having you refresh. All right. So can I give my two cents on this? Yeah. I just want to remind the viewers that this time specifically,

it's not on our end this time. So we get a pause for this time. They're going to be like, it's a conspiracy. It's a so we get a boss for this time they're gonna be like it's a conspiracy it's a conspiracy do i sound better now but go ahead wait wait the ghost is in your computer susan wants to say something go ahead so i thought you're gonna be gone but yeah when i met her she told me my her story and she you know it's not like she was smuggled over the border and used as a sex object for porn or whatever. It was the same type of thing, but she was groomed and then she was, you know. It was more of a codependency story.

And she and I discussed it. Right, right. She was quite open about it. It's like not somebody holding her at knife point in Sri Lanka. This was a process that a lot of people go through where they get sucked into things and before it's too late they're doing things that they wouldn't otherwise do with people that they would never be around they lose their sense of themselves in it it's a very common thing very important to talk about right so you were an irl and so yeah so i was on

irl we discussed me doing a profile on her. I had already done, I believe at that point, I'd already done the Kanye profile and the Carrie Lake one. So I thought this one was going to be a cinch. I was like, oh, no controversy with this one. I'm just going to tell her story. But then people started taking apart her story as I'm gearing up to go out and profile her, interview her and her family. And they're basically saying that her timeline is totally off, that they can't decide. They can't line things up. Her story doesn't matching up.

So I start taking notes and be like, okay, I'm going to ask her all that stuff and hope for the best. But I think people had their minds made up on her because they thought she was a liar. They believe that, I think a lot of people thought human trafficking was the we're going to kidnap you throw you in a car situation but hers is like you were saying a little it's a little more nuanced i think the definition of trafficking psychological it seems it was psychological it's yeah it's kind of nebulous at times where people

have one thing in mind that they see in hollywood so by the time i get out there uh to interview her now it's like, I think my name has been announced as the person writing the story publicly. And people are like, they want, they want a hit piece, but I just don't write hit pieces like that. You know, basically I was going out there with the same thing I had in mind that I do with Kanye and I do with Carrie, where I'm going to let them tell their story. I'm not going to go talk to other people. You know, people really upset that I didn't do that. I made a point of saying in the story in terms of this story. I said it because there was a lot of people who were bullying my colleagues and myself.

But the criticism people think that I was saying anyone criticizing Eliza was the problem. I was talking about a small group of people who were going after her, me and anyone in her periphery 24 seven, you know, just being malicious, which I have a problem with bullies. So I have no problem with people. We should all be picking apart everything. I don't care if you're friendly with someone or whatever. We need to ask questions, of course. So people got upset with me then I think around part two where I kind of let people have it, you know, that we're just in my mind, ghoulish. And I just didn't, I didn't like, what do you mean? What did you do?

Well, I kind of just went over in the story, the kind of way they were treating people in terms of, you know, it's one thing I was saying, it's one thing to ask questions, but to give people ultimatums on whether or not they talk about a certain topic and then, and then like saying, like, you sound like a Batman villain saying, oh, if you don't talk about this by such and such date, you know, then it's this and that, you know, or, or sharing lewd images to get people to act a certain way. There were people doxing locations. There were people saying they're going to show up at a location to, to get at her, get at me or get her parents when I was out there. So it was like tactics like that. I just saw as

gruesome and I just, it rubbed me the wrong way, you know, and I was getting in what world. Yeah. In what world are people feel at their liberty to demand behavior or speech from another person in what world? How does does that where does that come from and they've all become goddamn mrs kravitz from bewitched are you old enough to know what bewitched is they're up everyone's ass like mrs kravitz you become a nosy old lady who thinks she knows how you should behave in the neighborhood it's bullshit it's bullying it's narcissistic it's grandiose and it it it has to be pushed back against that we are having conversation we are doing talk shows you are writing articles go write your own goddamn article then fine no problem no problem and by the way in the article

take aim at shane take aim at me yeah cool of. But to go in and demand and then extort, they're extorting you. That is criminal. And why we can't do something about that or why the society tolerates that is almost breathtaking right now. It just showed me that there is a type of destruction economy in people that they know if they can start tearing down others. It's beyond asking questions. It's beyond being curious.

It's beyond trying to find the truth. They want to destroy people to get a leg up in whatever they think that success is. And it's like, again, I even said in the story, criticize me, please. Like I'm clear. And I talk about the differences, objectivity and subjectivity, because people were saying that Eliza had said nice things about me on IRL or on Twitter. So it obviously put me in the story a lot. So I'm trying to show you when I'm being objective and subjective, be like, clearly, you know,

this is what I think about these bullies. This is what I think about the story. And then talking about that. So I'm not I don't want to criticize anyone who was just asking questions because that wasn't the point but it seems to be perceived that way i'm just kind of going after the people who are into that destruction stuff who were just you know making super chats on eliza or myself or the people i work with or anyone else who happened to say anything that went against the negative wave yeah Yeah, so that's narcissism. The liability of narcissism is envy and empathic failure.

So you have envy being acted out. I know you think they think they're going to get some sort of leg up. It's not that. It's the satisfaction of destroying other people. Narcissists have that in them. It's envy. When you have envy towards another person, you have to drag them down. You bring them down to your level, so to speak. And envy, I mean, look at every religious scripture there is. There's injunctions throughout every scripture. Beware human envy. Envy is the

most destructive emotion. We have to have ways of containing envy, whether it's a Ten Commandments or, you know, sort of directions from on on high and the judges or whatever it might be. It's always about controlling envy because the envy itself is so profoundly destructive. And then within that, what you're describing is scapegoating. So when a mob comes together, a mob has to have a scapegoat. They have to have blood for them. And a mob, literally when people are in mobs, they are so delusional in terms of their aggression and their aggressive focus on the scapegoat that after they act out, they will, it's almost the way some of our government officials are behaving these days in terms of they're willing to take responsibility for some of their excesses and lockdown and school closures. They're like, I wasn't a part of that.

I didn't do that. I don't know what you're talking about. They have almost no awareness of the impact that they have. Yeah, it was interesting that it happened, that I found myself in the crosshairs for the third, you know, what I'm calling that trifecta of controversy, because I'm watching Kanye after the InfoWars debacle, and I'm seeing the world turn against him,

and I'm writing about it, and then Carrie Lake with the whole election thing, people either love her or hate her, same as Kanye, and then same as Eliza, but I thought to a much lesser scale. I was shocked that that would become the thing that was trending for days, and then I get sucked up into the whirlwind, and I can feel that heat. It gave me a different perspective on just what it's like to be on that other end, because I kind of grew up liking different artists who you would see them on the news being portrayed one way. But, you know, if you listen to their art, you read their work, they're not that way

that they're being portrayed. So it was to me, it was it was kind of like research. You know, I don't really want to have to deal with it again, that kind of hate. But, you know, when you write about controversial people, you end up, I guess, becoming a little bit of a controversy. Well, I think we're, we're all refreshing here. There we go. Give him a sec to come back. So there you are. So I, I'd love to see you write about, you know, mob behavior, you know, envy, scapegoating mechanisms. I mean, that, that would be a really, I think, important article. Now that you've been at the center of all that, you can sort of talk about it from a subjective and objective position.

Yep. Sorry, I'm switching out my microphone because I think my microphone is obviously having a problem. Sorry, guys. So all I know about Eliza is that she was instrumental in taking a lot of the underage girls off of Twitter. You know, the girls that were in the porn. She was instrumental in getting Elon Musk to pay attention. Yeah, and then she was hanging out. She was working with Elon, which is kind of cool. She tweeted that.

She texted to me. But then she was also, you know know she's doing um she she accepted an award for advocacy and then she had anti-trafficking conferences i mean she works all the time on this stuff and it but whatever the mob did but i'm just wondering like if it came also from the disgruntled people in the porn industry who were like hey this woman took down my livelihood you know yeah it feels like there's some energy behind it yeah i mean there's always like a group like we we've had that problem before oh for sure i think it was a number of things with her you know i think some of it was just organic they saw uh the the timeline her timeline being taken apart and they

wanted the truth because they maybe they were her fan a fan of hers and they wanted to believe in her and they couldn't see it that way so there's like there that's the organic path then there's the people i was talking about earlier who used this kind of destruction stuff to get ahead or whatever just get their name out there um also on irl was she was uh giving out hate uh victim statements so she was i don't know representing his right word she was speaking with survive supposed survivors of tate uh so that that didn't help because then there's tate fans oh there it is well okay well that maybe what is that i don't know what that is andrew tate has an army of guys that hate women essentially i'm sorry i don't know what you guys do or don't like or

whatever it just seems like that to me yeah i i don't honestly know i don't know tate at all it was just odd because while she was reading the statements from tate on irl i had just talked to tate for the first time a few days earlier because i was going to write a profile on him and then he gets arrested so i'm like huh okay um but so then there was a fourth thing with which is what you were saying uh just a bit ago with the elon thing she was i don't know how what she was doing exactly but she at least got the word out about a lot of the um child porn on twitter and it was it wasn't being handled properly. And then somehow Elon had come across her on Twitter. They did a spaces together. And then as far as I know, it was getting better to what degree, I don't know if it's like totally perfect now,

like it should be. So there was those four things. Yeah. I know Eliza was very concerned about what was going on on Twitter and was very happy with what Elon was doing. I don't know whether it solved everything, but I know it was going in the right direction. So that's interesting. And then I went south. People, when you get swept up in these narcissistic mobs, understand behind it are people with secondary gain. People who have something, some cross to bear, some campaign, some goal goal in mind some community they represent you're you're getting used you're getting used when you walk when you go into these mobs and that's just

we can do better than that it seems to me so before we go to break um and i'm probably gonna be taking some calls after break so again put your put your hand up and i'll bring you all up that want to ask questions kanye, what's the case for Kanye as president? So I don't know where that campaign is today. It seems to be, I don't know, maybe non-existent. I'm not so sure. But at the time, it was exciting to me because I just don't see any of these politicians exciting me. like vivek you know um uh trump to me is not so interesting desantis is not so interesting i mean i like a lot of things they did but i i the idea of having did you listen uh listen to uh rfk junior's uh hour and a half

speech you should listen to that not that i am not necessarily advocating for him but he he threw sound some interesting stuff, not the least of which I want to throw out again today. I threw it out yesterday, which was, this was actually, I don't think it was actually in his presentation as clearly as I heard it when he was in an interview, where somebody asked him,

well, you keep saying the country's divided. What are you going to do to bring the country together? He goes, first thing we need to do is get the government to stop lying. Stop lying to us. You lie about things for your own gain, for your own political gains. You manipulate and lie. Stop it.

That's all we got to do is stop the government, our government, the people's government from lying to the people. That's it. And when you do make mistakes, take accountability. Very simple. We will come together pretty, a lot more, if you would just do that one thing. Oh yeah, I think RFK is very interesting.

There's a lot of stuff he says, you know, I'm judging a lot of people based off how they reacted during lockdowns, during the mandates. And he was really good with that. I know there's a bunch of stuff in his past I might not agree with politically. I don't know where he's at now.

But there were things that Kanye was saying that RFK is now saying uh today or or and so is Vivek uh in terms of like we gotta totally dismantle these agencies that are running amok around the country whether it's the CIA you know you know these medical institutions the way we get this medical Tyranny you know when I was with Kanye we were talking about uh what something that haunts me one of the many things that haunts me about our country's history which is tuskegee and i was like you know to him you i tell him when you do shows sometimes you will say tuskegee and like i don't think a lot of people know what that means and you won't go into it but like if you could under if you could tell people with your platform

what that means i think they'd understand why the rest of us are so worried about a lot of these mandates or secret projects that sound conspiratorial. And he said, uh, the whole country is like the ski. I was like, yes, I like that. So he was talking about doing those things. He seemed really serious to me. I don't know where he's at now. He seems to be focused on music now, which is awesome. I'm a fan of his music, but, um, you know, with Robert, with Robert Kennedy, I think it's, it's super interesting. I'm really, uh, looking forward to hearing more from him. Uh, someone that was just so he stirs the pot, just so he gets people to think about stuff more clearly. Let's refresh again. Yeah, we will. Hold on during the break. Give him a second. Give me a minute. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm going to go to break in a second.

But let's, you know, people conflate Tuskegee Airmen and Tuskegee syphilis experiment. So let's not conflate these things. Tuskegee experiment was an infectious disease experiment where a group of black men were allowed to get syphilis. And treatment during the study, essentially what happened was penicillin and tetracycline came into being, and that treatment was withheld from these men so the scientists could see the manifestations of syphilis across decades, see how bad it gets, when does neurosyphilis develop. It's unthinkable. And it was really one whistleblower that came upon it and went, why aren't you treating these men? We have treatments now. Don't ask too many questions. And of course, of course. And then, you know, to me, Tuskegee is a, and Tuskegee was the city where this all went down. It's different than Tuskegee Airmen, totally different thing. And it's emblematic for

me. It's a theme. And frankly, by focusing, for the black community to focus on that as the reason for distrusting the medical establishment does the black community a disservice because the medical establishment has so badly so many times misserved the black community look at the crap that my experience was in the crack

epidemic I treated my crack patients as patients not as criminals it was criminalized it was disgusting I treated my crack patients as patients, not as criminals. It was criminalized. It was disgusting. These people were all treated as criminals. Why? Primarily of African-American pandemic crack.

Then we have the mental health issues and the things we did to African-Americans and sterilize all kinds of things that we have no business wondering why they don't want to take your new vaccine. We call that good judgment. It may not be the right decision, but it was good judgment given the history they've had with the established medical community in this country. Now, we're doing better, and we're making really aggressive moves

to try to improve things. We are, and we're doing a better job. But let's not kid ourselves about the horrors of what we put people through. And by the way, alongside of that, I would add just a big bit of a sidebar here. Things we have done as established practice, as settled science, like psychosurgeries. That was settled science. Somebody won a Nobel Prize for the frontal lobotomy. Opioids. You look nowhere at the standard of care with opioid prescribing. Standard of care, settled science. I was roundly condemned for that. There are many examples of standard of

care in medicine being profoundly destructive. Somebody yesterday brought up to me the post, I guess it was, who was I talking to, about the 1918 flu, Robert Malone, that aspirin came into being during, and they did not know how to dose it, and they were overdosing people regularly. That might have been a contributing factor to the death rate in the 1918 flu. That was us. We did it. Do no harm is our thing, and we got to pay careful attention to that. I'm going to let you refresh. We're going to take a little break.

We're going to take calls when we get back. We're here with Shane. Shane, what's your Twitter handle and stuff before I uh oh shane give me your twitter handle and things before we go to break yeah i'm at shane cashman okay at shane cashman and the website is shane cashman dot com right is that correct also yep yep all right so look that up and i'll be right back after this over the last few months no doubt you've heard a lot about spike protein, certainly on this program. The reality is once lockdowns are well behind us, we will likely still be dealing with the effects of COVID and potentially the COVID-19 vaccines. Therefore, the spike protein may prove to be an important part of our story.

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can trust to protect your future. Visit birchgold.com slash drew today. That is B-I-R-C-H-G-O-L-D birchgold.com slash drew. Oh, we're back with Shane Cashman. There we are uh is there anything else that's uh preoccupying you these days have i missed anything of a of note that's on your mind other than that we live in the upside down which you've written a book about being in the upside down but i think it's a metaphor for the whole country that's a good segue into into this story i went to east palest Palestine, Ohio to see how they're doing. I went there two or three weeks ago to see what the town looks like now, two months after the derailment. And it was just, you know, talking about inverted world. You know, we all saw the plume of smoke lifting above this town, these chemicals going everywhere. It was burned to our brain. You

couldn't leave without thinking, I mean, it was on our phones, it was on the TVs. And I was curious if the government presence was there. So it wasn't, go figure. There's a lot of people in this town who are just suffering, they're not getting answers. They're cleaning up the infected soil, which we now know has dioxins in it, which is cancerous if there's a high percentage of them in the soil. And the people just don't know what to do. They don't have money to leave. They're stuck in this town.

And one of their concerns was the trucks taking the soil out of town. They were like, how safe are those trucks? And then sure enough, a week after I left that town One of them crashed and contaminated soil all over the place. So there's all it's just a mess I mean people aren't eating their own chicken eggs. They can't sell their livestock. They can't drink their own water They don't know if they can give their land to their kids like they wanted to they can't move anywhere The EPA is not giving them answers Supposedly the EPA didn't verify this but a bunch of people in town were saying it. But they were saying that the people

cleaning up the site where the derailment happened, the address keeps moving east. And that would then effectively change, if that's true, the radius blast of people who were inside that affected area, which again is also something else. I don't know how they really determined with the wind going and the chemicals going everywhere. This inversion was created after the explosion. So there was like almost a ceiling above the town where everything was trapped, birds disappeared. So people are just freaked out. And I met some people who have symptoms and I can't verify if they're exactly from that, but they're the symptoms that they're being told are from the chemicals or from

the smoke. So it's just, it was just really devastating. And when I was there... Not to be harsh, not to be harsh, but sort of, you know, who cares about these short-term symptoms? Are these people going to get cancer? I mean, that's really the question at hand. Is this, are these, are our lives going to be lost? I understand it's going to be miserable for a while and that's bad enough, but I want to know if people are going to die and who's responsible for that.

When did our government get so big and so incompetent? I feel like, I feel like that's a new phenomenon. At least I'm aware of it more these days. When they invented the Fed, maybe. But it's been a slow boil of them taking i mean you go back and think of what they were doing in the 40s with project echelon where they were actively taking information from everybody um to kind of get an idea of you know who who are you what do you think are you for or against us uh and that's just been accelerated over the years with technologies it

gets better or worse depending on how you see it. It's so big, it's beyond control, and it's collapsing in on itself. Because when I'm in East Palestine, I'm watching a terrible tragedy that is two months deep, and these people have no answers or no help. They got $1,000 from the railroad, which didn't go very far, considering how much gas and groceries are these day these days but my first night in in east palestine was when the nashville shooting happened so then i'm with these people experiencing a tragedy and we're watching another horrible tragedy unfold and it's

like if the government can't even focus on this right how are they going to focus on that how are they going to focus on the uh the the, the barges that crashed in the Ohio River where the methanol, I guess, might have been leaking into the river, which is by another water supply? Another thing was happening in Philadelphia while I was there. It just seems like the infrastructure is collapsing in on itself. And for a government that's so big, it's kind of ridiculous. It feels like they are not uh in the world right it's like it's

like they're in their little rarefied ideological camps and fighting and doing their thing but the actual pragmatic lives of americans are not being served i don't know who am i to say our our backyard our backyard is on fire and they're worried about fires elsewhere, which also hurt my heart to hear about all the tragedies around the world. But we can't even focus on fixing our problems. So it's like, how are you going to fix anything else if you can't even focus on our own backyard, which is literally on fire? Everything feels like it's poison now with all these derailments, with all the chemicals and all the food. It's really, I left East Palestine just feeling really sad, not just for those people, but for the entire country. Can I ask real quick? What is, yeah. Is there, are there, have you noticed, are there any like political reasons behind why this, this seems like it's being ignored? Because I didn't even realize this was still going on. And I go and look and there's an article from yesterday that says people are still living in hotels. I can't imagine being like displaced like that.

Are there reasons behind why this story is being suppressed? Caleb, I was having this conversation with Adam Carolla today and I was saying, you know, I'm prepared to believe that Walensky and Fauci have severe cognitive dissonance and they've convinced themselves of what they've experienced, even though the evidence suggests quite something contrary, but they're so deep in their cognitive dissonance, or they're just grossly, grossly, grossly incompetent.

And Adam goes, how would you like to be that person in charge of a large government agency? And go, and go well you know maybe he's just a distorted reality or he's just just completely completely incompetent and how would you feel if they were talking about you he's like yeah he's an okay guy but he's just got to be incompetent because it's the only explanation here and uh and that seems to be what we're dealing with it really does yeah it's like if it's not intentional then it's just incompetence right here because this is bizarre. I thought for sure this was resolved long ago. Yes, no.

But we see evidence of this level of incompetence all throughout. And by the way, this country was never meant to be managed from Washington. It was meant to be managed from your city, your county, and your state, period. And there was then a more perfect union of those states for interstate commerce and general protection of things. All this business going to Washington, this is the problem. It's this gigantic, bloated nothing that shouldn't even be involved with us. Yeah, I've been calling it the pandemic of incompetence. If you look at all this stuff, I mean, the dioxins that they're finding in East Palestine, that chemical, it's like a conglomerate of bad chemicals that, that actually destroyed an entire town called a times beach, Missouri. I think it was a few decades ago, but wiped off, wiped out the town. The government actually bought

it like eminent domain. They turned it into a park years later. Uh, but that again, they were spraying dioxins on the ground to keep the sand down. Uh, but, but again, in terms of politics, it's a, it's a heavy Trump area. So some people were speculating that they are letting this town rot with the chemicals because of how they voted, which is absurd to think that that's the case, but, uh, it is, it is heavy trump and pete budaj did go there it was kind of like a sad photo op with his hard hat and then trump did go there you could also argue that was a photo op but uh you know he was there he spent time that people obviously loved trump at that town so they felt good having him there they bought a mcdonald's um but it was just a lot of

people think that yeah always well yeah that's that's just more poison in my mind. But a lot of people, no matter how they are political in that town, they feel abandoned by their politicians on the state level, on the local level, and obviously on the national level. And by the media, if it was flipped to a different, that's the sad part is that if this was flipped politically, then this would still be in the media. If these people are still suffering so much, they've been displaced from their homes for like a sip of water out of east palestine like obama attempted to do at flint michigan right it's interesting that we take certain tragedies and and uh put them on a pedestal in the media and other ones just fall by the wayside uh it could be because of politics with this town or it might just be we just don't have the bandwidth as a country to care anymore

either on a media level personal level governmental level and that to me is really the most it's the saddest part we can't even um comprehend it it's it's it's breaking down you know our the way we we care for one another i'm gonna take some calls here this is uh health through love this should be interesting um're got to unmute yourself in the lower left-hand corner and come on up and talk to Shane and myself. Yeah. Hey, Dr.

Drew, how are you doing? Yeah. Hey, can you guys hear me? Okay. We do. We got you loud and clear.

Yes, sir. Perfect. Hey, Caleb. Uh, you know, I was surprised that you guys brought me up.

So I, um, I'm a bit taken aback. You raised your, raised your hand. Well, I did because I'm a guy that speaksack. You raised your hand. Well, I did because I'm a guy that speaks out. I believe in my word and I believe in a lot of people that are suffering and in a lot of pain. And I think it kind of piggybacks off of what Caleb was saying.

So many people are suffering right and ill-intently they shouldn't be suffering specifically the people on io but this has a huge effect on everyone right the way that they've been treated is the same exact way that the people who've been vaccine injured have been treated and the reason why i wanted to get up here dr drew is because um you, there's just still a lot of doctors that are still gaslighting the crap out of this. And, you know, we took it upon ourselves to stand up and say something about it. And it's real. Did you have a vaccine injury yourself? I did. And I was, I had it back in July of 2021. I worked for big tech.

They were pushing the mask mandates. I had not taken it. I had not taken the vaccine. I've never been flu-shotted. My parents have never done any. So what is your first name? I'm sorry. Do you mind if I ask?

Yes. It's Mr. Love. Mr. Love. Okay. Mr. Love. Well, just look at your government officials. They didn't force anything. They didn't force anything. They didn't force anybody.

Why'd you take the vaccine? Nobody was forcing you. How dare you say that you were forced? Aren't you pissed when you see that garbage? Hey, you know what? I'm so pissed, Dr. Drew, that no one believed me when I was going through the injury. I know. I was a healthy 42-year-old.

I know. I've been through it. I've been through it with patients. I was at the top of my life. I've been through it with patients. I've been through it with friends. And some of them are still suffering. And what you get at best. Some are still suffering.

There's people that are fighting for their lives, especially in the UK. Of course. And at best, what you'll get is, well, you're not truly disabled by it. I know it's unpleasant. But, you know, well, we had to do something to stop this thing. I know. Listen, I'm telling you what you get. I'm not saying what I would say. I'm telling you I when it comes to this because I am very detail oriented which is

the reason why I'm in a position that I am and I finally got my position back after eight years because well the vaccine injured me and they pushed me out so it was mandated they were pushing it hardcore in July of 21 and so that's when I decided to go in and get it. And yes, I was severely vaccine injured. You can read my story. I was really pissed off. I went out and I put a website up and now I'm trying, you know, to do my best to recover and, and, and also assist people that are truly, truly hurting. Where do they go, Mr. Love? Where do they go? And then I'll put you back in the audience. It's not where they go. I don't really have that answer. But what I can tell you is that the doctors that have gaslighted us, I would encourage everyone to go to our website.

It's healthroughlove.org. Okay, healthroughlove.org. There you go. Yep. And I appreciate you putting me up here, Dr. Drew. Oh, my God. I just didn't mean to do that. Let me get him back real quick.

Whoops. My finger literally – oh, no. That is didn't mean to do that. Let me, let me get him back real quick. Whoops. My finger literally. Oh no. It's weird. It won't. Oh, now you really are distorted now. He's an alien now. Now you sound like. He's like. God darn it. Oh, here he is. Try again. There you are. Okay. Mr. Love. I don't know how that keeps happening. I'm sorry. I was just saying, I'll tell you how it keeps happening because we're in groups where it's in groups we're in tweets we're in twitter spaces where we're being recorded and i don't give a shit that's why we put our website up there okay okay and we're doing everything we can and everyone needs to follow adam roland from the uk because it's wrong pascal and anna Anna McCarthy, they're coming and we're bringing it

and we're not going to stop. Good. Okay, Dr. Drew? All right. I don't really fully, maybe I'd bring you in here and interview you because you're saying a lot of things

I've got a lot of questions about. Because I'm a very detail-oriented guy, so fire away. Ask any questions you want. No, I don't have time today, but I'm thinking, send a note to contact at drdrew.com, and maybe we'll bring you a full interview and see what your story is, okay?

Hey, bring us up, bring Silence up, bring me back up, and bring Adam Rowland back up and find out exactly what's going on. All right, we'll construct something, so I appreciate it. I don't know what – because I feel like I will not do you justice if I try to skate through Twitter spaces right now. What happened to you? What happened to who? I want to get into more detail. But it does bring up an interesting point, Shane, which is my greatest, when I started doing this streaming show, the first motivation I had was I felt like I was the French underground trying to help people just create community and get sanity

and figure out what's really going on and stop listening to the propaganda of whomever was in charge of the government, whether it was an occupying force like it really happened in France or whether it happened to us during these crazy lockdowns. Whatever it was, it all felt like that same kind of phenomenon to me. Now it has morphed into me trying to understand how this happened, what we've been through. And I've been talking primarily to silenced people as a way of trying to understand what they were saying that was so problematic. And from each of them, I've learned something rather significant. And a very systematic, a very specific story has evolved in my mind about what happened here and how it happened,

but still evolving. There's still more details to be played out. Some of these things were just astonishingly out of thin air without any regard for the impact. Some of it was built on sort of this pandemic ink that was ready to go, and it was just a hammer looking for a nail. And when they decided to pull the trigger, they just went hammering away. And,

uh, and some of it was the Chinese influence and, you know, the persuasion they had over the people in Italy in particular. And then we all fall. There's many different aspects of the story. Uh, and then when we just started doing crazy shit,

like six foot, six foot distancing made out of made up out of thin air, thin air, uh, and the, the masking and, you know, all these ideas were just completely made up. And then anybody who asked for some sort of, air, thin air. And the masking and all these ideas were just completely made up.

And then anybody who asked for some sort of systematic randomized assessment of their recommendations were destroyed. That's the part I haven't fully put together yet is what were they saying to each other when they went after, really, the playbook was to go after very high quality professionals and ruin them. What's your take on what we've just been through? Oh, uh, it was like experiencing hell. Uh, you know, when the lockdowns first started, my wife was pregnant with our second and I was nervous for about, you know, a week or two, a few weeks maybe. I didn't know what was going on. I felt useless. And then the logic of the six feet stuff or the masks started wearing off.

I remember very distinctly ordering pizza. And the person on the phone said, okay, when the pizza guy gets there, you're going to stand back and they're going to put the pizza there. You're going to put the cash over here. It seemed like a really bizarre drug deal. And I was and i watched it all happen and i'm like the thing i just touched they just touched now they're touching their face or touching their wheel and nothing made sense anymore like this doesn't make any sense so there was that on just a personal level of the logic breaking down and then we kept sliding deeper and deeper into the tyranny

i was in new york at the time so they were really happy to lock everyone down. They were really happy to destroy your children's lives with school. Our kid, we took him out eventually because we were just like, these masks are ridiculous. And we moved, but there was a point where they had our son who was like four, three or four at the time running around outside with a mask on. We picked him up and we brought him to a school that was outside mostly because we didn't think they were going to wear masks. And then we picked him up. He's wearing the mask. It's soaked. And I tell them, you're basically waterboarding the kids because they're soaked and they're sweating and they're running around. I'm like, this is actually cruel. But the teachers were more afraid of themselves getting sick than the well-being of

the kids, which was really shocking. And then watching the uh the the disintegration of the of our doctors not trusting our doctors i went for like a physical to my doctor who i trusted for years and it was the day that new york lifted the mask mandate the first time and they were they were out of their minds they were so scared what are they going to do people are going to come in without a mask i didn't have a mask on uh and they were out of their minds. They were so scared. What are they going to do? People are going to come in without a mask. I didn't have a mask on. And they were wigging out. I went there because I wanted to check up. I read something you wrote, Shane.

I read something you wrote where you said you were out in the woods. You were out in the woods and somebody approached you as though you were a mountain lion. It's true. I thought, man, I had that experience. I was running in my neighborhood and I was running and I would just respectfully, I would go into the gutter when I was running and somebody was on the sidewalk. I didn't have a mask on. I was walking by an older gentleman with a mask on.

I was four feet away in the gutter. He recoiled from me like I was on fire. I've never seen anything like it. It was so shocking. So when you wrote about the mountain lion, I thought, yeah. that's my, and my brain just goes, what have we done to these people? How insane is this? This is totally nuts. Outdoors running past that, that point there'd been two cases of outdoor transmission documented on earth. And there was two women speaking very close to one another in a situation that really wasn't even outdoors.

No outdoor transmission whatsoever. And yet masks and treat people like their mountain lions are on fire. It was this collective delusional craziness. We're going to try to get Desmond, oh shoot, Matthias Desmond in here who came up with the notion of mass formation psychosis, which he was writing about long before this happened. This is what people don't understand. It was actually not mass formation psychosis. His real term is mass formation. And he was talking about mass formation throughout history. And then this thing developed and he said, well, here it is again. Just as I've been talking about, here it is again. We've, you know, I've just, as I've been talking about here, it is again, we're going to bring

up a John real quick here. He has a question for you. I think let's see what he's on his mind. Hey, John. Hey, Dr. Drew. Um, I don't know if you remember me, I think from December or something. I'm the guy with all the ICD 10 codes, 500,000 death certificates from Massachusetts. I do remember you.

How's that? And you had, you had a big case going. How's going uh well i expect to be dismissed maybe this week it's too big they can't allow it to go on i have i've basically proven massive amounts of fraud uh fraud of omission by not putting um the vaccine as a cause of death when it absolutely was, like reacted within five minutes. So take the case of a girl or a woman, I should say. 30-year-old high school teacher reacts within hours, ends up dying from an ischemic stroke.

So six doctors from the hospital, Harvard Medical College. I don't know if you've heard of it. I have. Yeah. Beth, if you go to Deaconess Hospital. So six doctors write a report. The title is Fatal Post-COVID mRNA Vaccine Associated Cerebral Ischemia. They're telling you in the title what caused it, that she died, and that it was an ischemic stroke.

In every paragraph, they tell you the vaccine did it. In the second to last paragraph, they say, well, it's not a CVST stroke, which several reports have had from the COVID vaccines. And it's not thrombocytopenia, which is frequent from the COVID vaccines. And in the summary that everybody reads, they write, it's extremely rare. So two weeks before she died, excuse me, before she took the vaccination, a 62-year-old woman died also in Massachusetts from acute intracranial hemorrhage in the setting of thrombocytopenia. And five weeks after she died, a 17-year-old girl died from a CVST stroke. Now, both the 30-year-old and the 17-year-old went to the ER twice for massive headaches

and were sent home. The 17-year-old went and got the vaccine again. Listen, John, I've been saying for the last few days that whatever lack of trust that people are now feeling towards the medical establishment, we earned it. We earned this. We did it. We earned it. We got to look at it. We got to own it.

And do we got to do to come back? Shane, you got to write an article about this guy, about John's findings, because if they're going to be dismissed out of the court, somebody's got to put his stuff together and put it out for the public. Yeah. Send me an email. It's crazy. I these stories these stories so john send send an email to me at contact to dr.com and i will forward it to shane susan can you do that okay oh yeah sure okay sure all right yeah he'll handle it so let's let's leave it at that for right now and see where he okay okay can i ask ask you a question about eosinophilia? Yeah. Do you see any connection?

Because I just brought it up on the screen. There's like five different deaths with eosinophilia. You know, eosinophilia is a very poorly, you know, I mean, it's well characterized, but poorly understood phenomenon. Obviously, it has sort of allergic immunological components to it. I'm not, I wouldn't be surprised if there were an eosinophilic reaction to something like a vaccine. That's how the body reacts to foreign agents and maybe overreacts in certain genetic subsets. Can you explain what that means?

Eosinophils, we have many different white blood cells in our white blood cell line, and eosinophils is one component. They're usually very scant in your peripheral blood, but they're associated with allergic reactions, essentially. And some people with asthma have high levels of eosinophils. There are eosinophilic disorders, where eosinophils sort of behave strangely and start attacking things like the esophagus or the heart.

And you can have even eosinophilic tumors, but why those develop and the exact genetics of that and stuff, it's not that well understood because they're so rare. Yeah, there's a – Go ahead. Sorry. I was going to say there's a 20-year-old died. She's a college student, eosinophilic myocarditis. Yeah.

And then on the screen right now, there's a leukemia component there seems to be as well. So all these can be traced. We have the data, but the government is withholding the data from most people. Me and three other people got data from different states, and we're working on it. But you can apply AI algorithms to this, and you can diagnose just about anything in society going back as long as we have records. I can tell you there's something that's 400% high in a single zip code 29 years ago and just go look at the water supply. We have the data. Wow. Yeah. I've wondered about stuff like that. I saw an outbreak of AML, acute

myelogenous leukemia in a place nearby here about 20 years ago and I was thinking there was a major institution right up the road and I was like, I wonder if something came out of there their radiation or otherwise. But I, did you say pro myelocytic leukemia? It was in that, it was not specifically pro myelocytic. I don't know.

Cause I didn't treat the cases. I just, they were sort of friends that got sick and it was just a, AML is a category of which pro myelocytic is a subcategory. Okay. But it was, cause that's, that's what'm that's

what i'm seeing yeah yeah well so there you go so i'm going to remove you but you're going to send me an email to dr drew at contact to dr drew.com and then i'm going to forward it to shane and how exciting would it be if we uh you know generated some articles on this yeah no those stories need to be told more it's so shocking you're uh you become a robot a ufo just landed it's so weird you know it's not an accident the chain has a a thing about you're doing this on purpose no it's a ufo thing it's his it's his paranormal i know i i have a belief in electronics spirits

coming through electronics so I think they're all around you they're definitely your house have my wife as a guest on your show have my wife as a guest on your paranormal show she will not be saying this on my show you invited this guest.

Come on. All right. So wait, I have a super chat here. I had some acne when I was a kid. I got prescribed Accutane, killed the acne, but for whatever reason, I've had chronically dry skin since. Any recommendations? Well, I did the same thing, and it did great for my acne.

It actually screwed me up neurologically, which is why i stopped the accutane i started putting my foot on the accelerator when i was trying to put my foot on the brakes uh and i knew the medicine was not right for me yeah i went a little cuckoo and um and i i i use that genu cell right now that's what i use because my skin is very very sensitive that is literally what i use so that's that's actually what i. And retin-A. And some retinoic acids, yeah. So Shane, this is interesting. Does this all interest you, what we've been through, as much as it does me?

Or is it just something that we're going to have to, you know, but people go through traumatic experiences. A colleague of mine said this yesterday. I was thinking, oh, I hope not. But it's just the case. So when humans go through traumatic experiences, they want to move past it. I'm dealt with it. It's behind me.

It's no problem. I feel like if we do that with this particular experience, we do it at our own peril in terms of being perilously at the whim of a government that can run amok. And we didn't know it. And now we know it. We have to change that. Yeah. No, I can't stop writing about it.

I can't stop talking about it. I want accountability for all these people that we just heard from who were injured by the vaccines or who lost their lives during lockdowns, whether it's from suicide, depression, the fentanyl overdoses that we don start talking about how has your life changed since lockdowns? What is your life like now? What was it like before? What does the city look like now? How is it different? I can't, I'm obsessed because it is a traumatic experience. It's traumatized all of us. It's like, you know, it's like a major event, like a world war that we can go anywhere in the world and discuss one topic and how it affected all of us in similar and different ways. So yeah, I will probably write about it until I'm dead. Well, please keep me posted because I'm similarly obsessed. I just feel like at very minimum, we have to make a full cohesive narrative so we understand

at least what happened. Whether we want to do something about it is the second order question but we at least have to understand what this was what all the mistakes were where they came from why people behaved the way they did and the whole thing's got to be a cohesive whole and there are so many voices out there that have been silenced that have parts of this story. You'd be amazed. I don't know if you're going to write about this further. I mean, talk to some of the people who were in the rooms when these crazy decisions were made.

Your hair will stand up. That is the actual inverted world. Like, that is the nightmare world. You know, we are living through a hellish nightmare where there's you know medical Tyranny they've destroyed language so you can't even talk about it in certain ways you know the censorship wipes out the conversation which I believe censorship kills because if someone has a problem and they can't even research if the shot is going to affect their the problem they might already have they could lose their life they could have a miscarriage, all these different things. We are just in a very bizarre world.

That's why it's good to try to make sense of it. And this one attitude that has developed that you were talking about in relation to Eliza Blue, what I'm calling lately this Mrs. Kravitz version of the American psyche. You have no business having an opinion about what Joe Rogan does with his doctor.

You have no business talking about what I do with my patients. It's not your business. You fuck off. You have no business being a part of this. And we need to start telling people just that more on Twitter and elsewhere because they feel at their liberty to be in relationships where they have no place. They don't belong. They are not worthy of an opinion, and they are not certainly having a place that they should never have a place at the table. Wait till we start doing that to the attorney-client privilege. You don't think the attorneys will settle for that? They won't allow that for one second. Oh, for sure. I hope we get to that place. It was very bizarre to be in New York and it becoming like in vogue

for people to show up and ask you about your medical status. And like everyone just thought it was okay to have these conversations, you know, something we would never talk about, you know, kind of like how politics used to be back in the day, at least my grandparent, according to my grandparents, we don't, they didn't talk about politics in public. Then that started becoming, you have to talk about politics. It's always election season. And then now with COVID, it's everywhere. But this material you are asking for of other people is protected by law. Talking politics is not something that's protected by law. My medical history, my medical information is mine and it is protected by HIPAA law. And you asking about it is asking about it is actually breaking. And you asking about it is asking about it

is actually breaking the law. Asking about it. And then to have some feeling about a medication that you just learned how to pronounce yesterday, fuck off. Fuck off. That's all I can, I just keep thinking. That's what I want to tell people these days.

So anyway. I'm with you. That's enough for today. Okay, good. I hope I didn't get the show canceled, Caleb, by saying that too many times. As long as you don't say the I word or the H word, then we're fine.

Yeah, I can't talk about the medications I've been using for 25 years, but I can tell people to F off. You can say F off. Oh my goodness. That sounded good. It's so offensive. It's disgusting.

That's why I want to sort of be dramatic about it because it really is. I need to catch people's attention on how far off base they are in these feelings they have about their proprietary privilege over other people, over other people's positions, over other people's talk shows, over other people's doctors. It's a zero. You should have zero to say about it. If that doctor wants to talk to you about it and take an opinion and refine his or her more sort of feelings about the therapeutics they're using, all right, that's up to that doctor. Only at the doctor's request.

But in any event, and again, we earn this as a profession, and we have to kind of take it back. We have to take it back. All right, Shane, are you coming up on TimC timcast anytime soon or should we look for you there uh i might be you never know i kind of just appear on that show you never know it's just uh we're all since we're all living well tell them i i want to go back i want to go back i really enjoyed talking to you guys we had a good time yes and please please tell them i want to go back it's it's an ordeal but i promised them I would bring Carolla back when I went. And he agreed to come.

And so if we can get a date and some travel and stuff, because it's an ordeal to get there. It's an ordeal. Yeah, I know. It's West Virginia. I know. And he was telling me he was going to move. Right now, yeah.

All right, please do. He was telling me he was going to move, and then he didn't. do. He was telling me he was going to move and then he didn't. And so I'm like, okay, I was sort of waiting for that. And so, but now we got it. We got to get Mr.

Corolla and he and I are actually coming out to the West East coast in May. Maybe we could sort of fold that all together somehow. Oh yeah. We'll make that happen. That'd be amazing. I'd love that show. All right.

All right. Thanks Shane. Appreciate it. All right. Follow Shane at, uh right follow Shane at uh at Shane's website and also on Twitter uh hang on a second let me get get it all make sure I've got Shane Cashman.com and also at Shane Cashman C-A-S-H-M-A-N uh you guys I appreciate your uh stepping up and asking some questions here and of course uh John it was good to hear from you

uh you can follow our show on Twitter at at askDrew, and they'll give updates and shows and guests, which we always screw up at the end of the show every day. Not today. I'm not talking. Let me tell you who Kevin Bass is. Kevin Bass is a young PhD who's going to go to medical school, has not yet been to medical school, who changed his opinion dramatically about COVID and has been very thoughtful and forthcoming about how he changed his position, why he changed his position. And then he's gotten sort of aggressive online. I want to hear what he's thinking these days. Dr. Victory is going to come in with Nikolai Petrovsky. Bobby Chacon from the FBI is coming in. Nicole Sapphire, she's, of course, from Fox News, but she's a colleague and a breast cancer specialist. And

then May 16th, Carol Roth. And we are working hard to reschedule uh asim malhotra which he's been working hard to then we have some other stuff cooking too i think you all we've had a crazy week of electronical problems car problems everything problems and then this guy comes on and he sounds like a you know an alien landing on his house. It's on brand for him. It's just the weirdest week. It has been a very, and Susan is not, she is not overstating. We have literally had cars blow up. Both of my cars were broken.

I had to tow one today and I had to get a new battery in the other one. So I've been homebound. We have had multiple problems here with routers and Wi-Fi. The router just went out when Cuomo asked what my router was like, and it was like, oh, it's broken. But I got that fixed in two hours, and no problem.

To that point, I guess I'm going to be on Chris Cuomo tomorrow night. Yes. Susan's been working on that stuff. Yeah, the, what's it, News Nation? News Nation. We're going to talk a little bit about the weight loss medication that are out there and know a bit about that. Also, how is your bone broth?

Oh, my God. I am so obsessed with this Paleo Valley bone broth. So right before the show, Caleb Drew goes, can you get me some coffee with that chocolate bone broth? No, I said, I was very quiet. I said, would you please get me a cup of coffee? And if you really want me to love you, put some chocolate bone broth in there. And then I got the chicken broth. And then, well, you missed the conversation.

Wait, Susan, you missed the conversation Caleb and I then had. What were we talking about when she went out of the room to get me my bone broth. And then I got the, I got the, and then, well, you missed the conversation. Chicken broth. Wait, Susan, you missed the conversation Caleb and I then had. What were we talking about when she went out of the room to get me my bone broth? Oh, yeah,

when she went out of the room, I was like, Drew, you're talking about bone broth. My conspiracy theorist relatives have been talking about bone broth for 20 years. I have another apology

to make now. Were they right about this too? What? To his mom. Geez. His mom's a big advocate for the beneficial benefits of bone broth. I'm a fan too, make now were they right about this too what jeez his mom's a big advocate of beneficial benefits of all which i've been a bit i'm a little too potentially the grass-fed

well i i but i've never had a way the way to drink it that i like well i took some chicken broth because i'm on a keto diet right now i lost like four pounds this week um but i just took it i just took bone broth and threw it into the chicken broth, and it was really good. And I'm so satisfied. Like, I have all this energy now. It's weird. I know.

It's not good because I have my trouble. I know this isn't after dark, but I'm having trouble keeping my hands off you. But if anybody, thank you, honey. If anybody wants to know why we're singing the praises, we're getting them as a new sponsor. And we're so excited. Yeah, you got it. Because I was going crazy on how I liked their products. Oh, my God.

We ate all the beef sticks, too. So you'll hear more about it. Let's leave it be. Yeah, we're going to interview the head of the organization so you guys can find that on Facebook later. I'm so glad we get to bring people that support the show that I'm excited about. I live on their products. Well, thank you, Emily Barsh. Yeah, thank you, Emily Barsh. Okay, we'll take a little break. We'll be back with you. As I said, I'll be at

Chris Cuomo's show tomorrow night at like eight o'clock Eastern, I think. And then we'll be back with you on Tuesday, next week at three o'clock. And of course, Dr. Kelly Victory joins us as she always does on Wednesday. And do stay tuned. We appreciate your support and we'll look for you. And if you're on Rumble, check out the Robert Malone interview we did yesterday. We uploaded it because we couldn't get on Rumble. That's probably why you didn't see it. Yes. This was another one of our electronic disasters was Rumble was under attack yesterday. That's so weird.

And that was a really interesting interview. We did not talk about almost nothing on vaccine. He was talking about really the FOIA documents he's gone after and, again, putting the pieces of the puzzle of this experience we've all been through and who was doing what, when, and why. And he's got a lot of very interesting information. So it was terribly enlightening. He really exposed some material about military-grade psychological operations that were deployed against us, against the people of this country, in the name of I don't know what, really. It was supposed to be for our own good, but of course it was not.

So this is what happens when you put too much power in the hands of a centralized authority. So do check it out. It's up now, Caleb? Is that true's on, it's up now, Caleb. Is that true? Yep. It's up now on Rumble. Yes.

All right. Go see it on Rumble. Yeah. So it's the episode right before this one. So just go back one. I really recommend it. I walked away from that interview going, boy, this was interesting. I learned something.

Yeah. But it really fucked up our algorithm. I'm pissed. Well, it was a good interview. We'll see you all on Tuesday, three o'clock Pacific. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb nation and Susan Pinsky.

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