Ask Dr. Drew - Sudden Adult Deaths Since 2021: Ed Dowd (Ex BlackRock Manager) w/ Dr. Kelly Victory – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 129

Episode Date: September 25, 2022

Edward Dowd, a former Wall Street analyst and BlackRock portfolio manager, examines the epidemic of sudden deaths over the course of 2021 and 2022: a phenomenon many are calling Sudden Adult Death Syndrome. What is causing the extraordinary increase in deaths? 「 LINKS FROM THIS EPISODE: https://drdrew.com/9212022 」 Throughout his stock picking career, he utilized pattern recognition to get ahead of his peers and the street before his bullish or bearish thesis became consensus. Early in 2021, he noticed a rise of news anecdotes about sudden deaths among very fit athletes and other seemingly healthy young people across the country. Edward has amassed evidence from the insurance industry, funeral home industry, and government databases that excessive deaths among working-age Americans have increased in 2021 versus 2020. His thesis was simple: What changed in 2021? Read Ed Dowd's book "Cause Unknown" at https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1510776397 Follow Edward Dowd on Gettr at https://gettr.com/user/edwarddowd 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. Hundreds of millions of people have received a COVID-19 vaccine, and serious adverse reactions are uncommon. Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician and Dr. Kelly Victory is a board-certified emergency specialist. Portions of this program will examine countervailing views on important medical issues. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 SPONSORED BY 」 • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get 10% off with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew 「 WITH DR. KELLY VICTORY 」 Dr. Kelly Victory MD is a board-certified trauma and emergency specialist with over 15 years of clinical experience. She served as CMO for Whole Health Management, delivering on-site healthcare services for Fortune 500 companies. She holds a BS from Duke University and her MD from the University of North Carolina. Follow her at https://earlycovidcare.org 「 ABOUT the SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 GEAR PROVIDED BY 」 • BLUE MICS - After more than 30 years in broadcasting, Dr. Drew's iconic voice has reached pristine clarity through Blue Microphones. But you don't need a fancy studio to sound great with Blue's lineup: ranging from high-quality USB mics like the Yeti, to studio-grade XLR mics like Dr. Drew's Blueberry. Find your best sound at https://drdrew.com/blue • ELGATO - Every week, Dr. Drew broadcasts live shows from his home studio under soft, clean lighting from Elgato's Key Lights. From the control room, the producers manage Dr. Drew's streams with a Stream Deck XL, and ingest HD video with a Camlink 4K. Add a professional touch to your streams or Zoom calls with Elgato. See how Elgato's lights transformed Dr. Drew's set: https://drdrew.com/sponsors/elgato/ 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 For over 30 years, Dr. Drew has answered questions and offered guidance to millions through popular shows like Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Dr. Drew On Call (HLN), Teen Mom OG (MTV), and the iconic radio show Loveline. Now, Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio. Watch all of Dr. Drew's latest shows at https://drdrew.tv Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

And welcome everyone to another one of our Wednesday programs with Dr. Kelly Victory. Today our guest is Edward Dowd. Ed has noticed a signal and he is a numbers guy. He is from Wall Street as an analyst where he used to manage a large, large cap, large, large cap fund for BlackRock portfolio managers. And he is someone who looks at numbers and he's going to tell us a story on what he has seen and what he thinks he's looking at and uh what we should be concerned about of course dr kelly victory is here she's a board certified er doctor with some mass with some public health training as well she also was a

psychologist before becoming a physician and uh i'm really interested in today's show i am worried about these numbers i've been watching them kind of with a great deal of concern it means something we'll try to figure out what that something is let's get right to it our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre the psychopaths start this he was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography ptsd love addiction fentanyl and heroin ridiculous five i'm a doctor for f***'s sake. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people.

I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want help stopping, I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say.

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that black rock bought his favorite fragrance company uh i guess that's creed and not international flavor and fragrances sounds like more iff would be their thing but we'll talk to him we won't talk about stocks today how do you know that what all about creed and iff and i know about iff because that's a large cap old standby company it's called international international flavors and fragrFF because that's a large cap old standby company. It's called International Flavors and Fragrances. So that's how you learn from the stocks. But the Creed thing is something Jehev put in here.

He said he put it in parentheses. And so I think he is saying that. Yeah, Jehev, Jehan. Jehan. So, Susan, everything good with you? Great. All right, excellent. She spent a lot of the day out and about. I did. Yeah, you feel good? I got my nails Great. All right. Excellent. She spent a lot of the day out and about.

I did. Yeah. You feel good? I got my nails done. All right. We're going to meet up with Ami Horowitz tonight. We have Laurence Savan on Friday. We got lots of people lined up to spend time with us. We're looking forward to all of that. But today I'm looking forward to this conversation. I want to just start out with a brief disclaimer, just to remind you that the CDC states that COVID vaccines are safe, effective, and do reduce the risk of severe illness. I'm a board-certified physician. Dr. Kelly is a board-certified ER specialist. We agree and disagree on many topics, and parts of this show will examine countervailing

views on important medical issues. Always consult your physicians before your physician before making any decisions about your health again we do not practice medicine here we are looking at information we're trying to have robust dialogue to get us as close to understanding something like the truth as we possibly can and there's a lot at stake here there's a lot at stake uh ed as i said is a former wall street analyst for a worked with BlackRock as a portfolio manager. In 2021, Ed noticed a rise in reports about sudden death amongst athletes and young people across the country, actually across the world. He put together evidence from the insurance industry, funeral homes, and government databases and found something kind of interesting.

Reminder, everybody, that click you're hearing there was us over at Twitter Spaces. I don't know that we're going to have a chance to get to calls today. As usual, we'll be back doing calls, I believe, on Tuesday. Tomorrow. We have Dr. Mark McDonald in here tomorrow. Oh, we do. Okay. We have Mark McDonald, but I do suspect we'll be able to take calls.

Not Tuesday. We're going to be flying on Tuesday. So it's all the way back to next Wednesday. So get over on. If you want to listen, you can listen there. But we're not. Well, I may get some questions. We'll see.

Maybe at the very end. I can't make any promise about questions. About people coming up. We had two full days of questions. That's why we did that. We'll store them up for next Thursday. But tomorrow is going to be a sort of a mental health day. We're going to be talking about mental health issues as a result of the pandemic.

And Mark McDonald has a lot of um ideas about this and I just want to pick his brain about it and we will I think him him responding to calls would be kind of interesting so we might have a chance to do that tomorrow we might even have a chance today we'll see so let me welcome to you all before we bring Dr Vicky victory in I want to welcome Edward Dowd. Edward, welcome to this program. Thank you so much for having me on, Dr. Drew. Great to be here. Pleasure. So tell us your background so we can understand what it is, what skill set you have that helped you put this data together, and then tell us what you saw. Sure, no problem. I spent a large portion of my first part of my career at HSBC, Hong Kong Shanghai Bank, in capital markets, fixed income, learned how the global macro economy worked. I went back to business school, graduated from there, worked on Wall Street at Donaldson, Lufkin and Genret,

which is an investment bank back in the day. Did equity research for electric utilities. Then I went up to Boston from New York to become a portfolio manager at BlackRock. And for 10 years, I managed a large cap growth portfolio, picking stocks, analyzing stocks. I had expertise in technology and energy. We had a team around me and a partner who also helped me manage the money. We grew the assets from $2 billion to $14 billion over 10 years. And so looking at data the way you have here as it pertains to this pandemic, tell me about your math and statistics background.

Yeah, I have a degree in finance and an MBA from Indiana University. I'm very familiar with statistics. I'm not a quant, but I know how to read statistics. And I have two PhD physicists in Portugal who are doing a lot of the data research for me. They're partners in my hedge fund that we're trying to start up. I'm sorry, I'm sure I heard you right. So you have a new hedge fund and two of those guys are PhDs who live in Europe and they're helping you with the math.

They're doing all the data crunching. I'm interpreting. I also had a number one ranked institutional investor, Wall Street insurance analyst who came and helped me early on. I met these two gentlemen later, but he also helped me look at the data as well. He analyzed the CDC data. So I have a lot of people behind me. I have a team. It's not just me, a guy on the internet. I have Wall Street professionals. I have PhD physicists who also worked on Wall Street at hedge funds. So this is a rigorous analysis. This isn't just me with a spreadsheet plunking numbers in. This is top-notch research. Eventually, we're going to put a study of all the findings on our company website, and

people will be able to review it, peer review it, whatever they want to do. Before you started digging into this material, I'm guessing you saw a signal or heard something or something caught your attention. What caused you to start looking at this stuff? So, you know, I'm a stock picker by trade and we look for pattern recognition, different signals to get us interested in stocks before everybody else comes and buys it before us. We want to be there early. In the early parts of 2021, I started hearing anecdotes, just anecdotes of people being

injured, getting strange things. I heard deaths uh that you know nobody I knew in 2020 died from covid and then in 2021 people started dying and so and it was just strange stories sudden athlete deaths on Twitter collapsing on the field and so my interest got peaked and I said to myself I think I know what it is. And unfortunately, just having an idea about what it is doesn't mean anything. And sadly enough, I had to wait for more data to be collected as time rolled on. And that meant more injuries and potential deaths. So that's the sad part of this is I didn't have what I needed to make my thesis in my case until earlier this year.

And really right now, I think my thesis of the case is pretty certain at this point. And I'm guessing your first move was towards actuarial data. Is that what you were thinking at the time? That's why the insurance industry, folks? So I knew if this was a problem, it would eventually show up in different databases, like insurance company earnings and funeral home earnings. And sure enough, in the fourth quarter of 2021, in the first quarter of this year, we saw insurance companies take on big losses in what's called group life business.

And we saw funeral home companies beating and raising and having great business. And they were surprised. I thought that they were going to see. They thought they were going to see. Caleb? Hang on a second, Ed ed something froze up here was that just at my end was i just seeing that caleb or did it did ed's end freeze yeah every uh he's here he's here it's it's so strange every time we talk about these topics we get these random tech issues that

just come in because it froze everyone same thing thing happened when I was on Tim pool show, strangely enough, same thing. I wonder what that is, but, uh, but go ahead. I, I, I missed what you said there about you talking about the insurance and the funeral homes. And then, then we sort of lost you. Yeah. So I thought to myself, if I'm right, we're going to start seeing this in insurance company results and funeral home results. We'd see the exact opposite. We'd see losses at insurance companies from claims above what they were expecting. And we would see funeral home companies seeing funerals above what they were expecting. And we did see that. The insurance companies took on tremendous group life losses in their book of business. Now, the reason why I focus on group life is because it's an accounting issue. Individual policies are done under an

arcane actuarial accounting, which the losses and gains are recognized and smoothed over years. In group life, they price the business every one to three years. So the losses would show up much more quickly. So that's what we focused on. before i go any further i want to describe what group life is group life is a policy you get when you're on board to a usually larger company corporate america and mid-sized companies that offer this is not something you get when you're working for a small business many times in my career i would uh switch jobs and the first thing you get when you're working for a small business. Many times in my career, I would switch jobs. And the first thing you do is you go to HR, you sign your health care form, you pick your health care plan, and then you sign your group life policy death benefit and you name a beneficiary. That's either your parents if you're single or a friend or your husband or wife, depending

upon the gender. So this is something that we all did. We kind of laughed about it because we're young and we wouldn't think we'd ever collect on it. And in fact, it's a great business for the insurance industry because they bank on the fact that you'll never collect on it. It's a good business because it's a lower risk group than the general population. And I'll talk about that in a minute.

All right. So keep going. So you saw this inverse phenomenon developing. What did you think you were seeing? And I know you're very interested in the sudden adult death syndrome. Is that the predominant diagnosis that is resulting in this data? Or had you seen that straight at the beginning? Tell the story there.

Well, we just started seeing strange and sudden stories, not just sudden deaths, but just, you know, uncles dying, grandmothers dying, lots of people dying in 2021, not so much in 2020, at least in my circles this is anecdotes and this is what got me interested so when we started seeing in the insurance data um in the in January 3rd of uh 2022 uh CEO Scott Davison kind of set the whole thing in motion when he said that in his book of business he was seeing 40 excess mortality especially among younger aged working folks which is something that we shouldn't be seeing in year two of a pandemic with um you know vaccines so that that that in and of itself is just anomalous and the only thing that I suspect to change were mandates and vaccines. And as time

rolled on, I started gathering my team. And in March, we analyzed the CDC data, just straight CDC data. And we found a couple of strange things. The CDC on their website didn't break it down by age. They showed all ages. And it looked like, you know, the pandemic in year two was almost as bad as year one, but not quite. But when you broke it down by age, there was a strange and alarming signal. And particularly in the 25 to 44 age cohort, the millennials, that cohort experienced into the fall of 2021, an 84% rise in excess mortality. And then it leveled off after the fall, it came back down. So I'm known for this famous chart with CDC data breaking down that age group. No one's disputed it. No one said that we're wrong. No one's challenged us. It's just numbers. And it showed that age cohort showing a major acceleration into August, September, October.

And we call that rate of change. And I don't have the chart, but it was like this, and then it went like that. And that's a signal in Wall Street. That's a temporal signal that something has changed. and something I suspect was the fact that you got to remember if you go back to 2021, corporations were starting to mandate the vaccine well before Biden even gave his executive order on September 9th. Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley were already mandating vaccines in August and they led the vaccines in august and they led the way on wall street and they led the way in corporate america quite frankly so that's when it really started to hit and then people had to choose between um keeping their job or not could you could you

tell the causes of death that were responsible for that second derivative change in other words was it or do you have access to that data? What makes, what my brain immediately does is I go, oh, we saw a lot of suicide and opioid and alcohol deaths that went straight up in that age group also. Were you able to parse that out? So, the pushback is exactly what you just said, and I'll address that.

So, people said, hey, Ed that so people said hey ed you know hey great sure but those are you know there's suicides deaths of despair opioid addiction uh fentanyl addiction and uh missed cancer screening treatments those are the three reasons and fair enough okay if if if the excess mortality had gone up to 20% and leveled off, that would have been fine. But my problem with it was the temporal rate of change into a three-month event that we all know occurred. And I find it very hard to believe that everyone decided in a three-month time frame to excessively commit suicide, overdose on fentanyl, or miss cancer screening treatment. So there was a signal there. And more recently, I've discovered some new data that literally almost explains all those

things away. And I'd like to share that with you. I shared it on another show yesterday, and it's kind of eye-popping. Let's talk about the group life. Harlan, you have a question? Well, I was just thinking what I probably want to do so we can get Kelly into this conversation right at this point so she can look at this new data as well. So what we'll do here is we'll take a quick break. And when we come back,

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Before you even go there, Ed, can I just, let me just tee this up a little bit, Drew. In my mind, because I've been reporting on a lot of this data from the very beginning as well, there are three sort of buckets, if you will, in my mind for where this information comes from. Number one, as you just talked about, there's the information from the life insurers. The information you just said showed a 40% increase in all-cause mortality in working-age people, people 18 to 49 years old. That doesn't get at all into causes, what, you know, to answer Drew's question, you know, what caused these deaths. Then there's the second bucket, if you will, of information,

which comes from the health insurers, actually, who can say we're seeing an increase in X, Y, or Z different diagnoses. Then the third piece of information, and I think the piece we want to talk in some detail with you about, is the third piece having to do with the disability information. And it's taking all three of those buckets together. Any one by itself can be explained away. The all-cause mortality, people can say, oh, that's because of COVID that wasn't diagnosed and people who committed suicide and substance abuse and on and on. Twice people have tried to explain away some of the health insurance data. Now you've got this third and really damning bucket of information on disability. And again, I would encourage people, when you take all three buckets together, it becomes truly impossible to explain it all away.

And it's the power of that combined data that I think really is so compelling. So talk to us about that third bucket that we haven't mentioned, and then we'll see if we can bring them all together. Well, first, let me talk about the insurance bucket because there's something important that I discovered last week. Number one, it's group life. And generally speaking, I had the idea in my head, this is a healthier population.

And that's from deductive reasoning, that sounds about right. So I called one of my actuarial whistleblowers to find some reports. And while she was looking for a report, she did find one from 2016. The Society of Actuaries released another report last monday and what they said is that in the first nine well first let me set this up the 2016 study that they did covering

years 2010 to 2013 showed that the group life insured population which is a subset of the u.s population experiences in any given year 30 to 40 percent the mortality rate of the general u.s population so that's what we call a healthier population the explanation for that is um they tend to be um uh higher educated higher earnings and just healthier because they're they're employed and to keep your group life you have to stay employed. So that's a self-selecting group. So they're a healthier group. Roll into this report that came out

from the Society of Actuaries last Monday. They said that in the first nine months of 2020, COVID affected everybody, nobody escaped. So in 2020, the general US population's excess mortality was above that of the group life insurance group. Then in 2021, they report that that flipped, that ratio flipped. And what did we see? We saw 40% excess mortality. As reported by the Society of Actuaries. This is a survey of 80% of the revenues of the group life industry. And we saw a 31.7% excess of mortality

in the general US population. That's an eight point differential. So there's no doubt in my mind that something happened in 2021 using simple deductive reasoning. The only thing that happened that would cause working age people between 25 and 64 to suddenly see that kind of increase would be the one thing that changed. Vaccines and mandates. Now, let me roll into the disability data, which confirms this insurance data. My two PhD partners in my hedge fund did a study on disability in August, and we looked at it, and it was pretty stunning. And then it kind of fits with what I just told you about the insurance industry. general population overall US population ages 16 through 64 their disability rate rose in 2021 from an average of about seven and a half percent to eight percent so that's a 6.6 percent increase

in disability okay um the the statistical uh deviation that we found looking at the disability data, overall, the total absolute number was 29 to 30 million for about the last five years. It's now encroaching upon 33 million. And if you look at the graph, it shows a definite change. And so they analyzed what's called the year-over- or rate of change and they came up with the fact that that that was a three standard deviation event which on wall street only occurs uh 0.03 percent of the time so something happened it's a signal that was a stock i would analyze that stock to figure out what's going on and probably buy some because something's happened something changed um let's let's go back to the to the the data so you can break down this data by age group and a status.

So there's a population, the whole US population. Then there's something called the civilian workforce, which is about 161 million people. Then there's something called the employed workforce, which is about 9,800 million people. When you looked at the employed workforce, their disability rate was generally hovering around 3.1%, and it rose to about 3.8%, which is a 22% increase in the rate of disability. So the general population's rate of increase in disability rate was 6.6. The employed population was 22.6%. So then we broke it down by men and women in the ages 16 through 64. And we saw that women had a rate of increase of 32% increase in their disability rate and men and 19%. So whatever's going on seems to be affecting women disproportionately to men. And Dr. Naomi Wolf has reported that from the Pfizer documents,

the adverse events seem to affect women more. So there's two different databases confirming each other. Let me just make, this is my conclusion. My conclusion is this. My conclusion is this. The employed population is generally a healthier population, and COVID should not have affected them more adversely than the rest of the population in 2021. This did not occur in 2020, so something changed. So it's my contention that through forced mandates and vaccinations, the employed population has been uh injured and and some deaths have occurred while if you were not in an uh employed you had a choice you just had a choice i i always try to sort of uh anchor this stuff to my clinical experience and

we did see a lot more long covid starting to accumulate in 21 and it long cove it did disproportionately affect women particularly on the disability side so it makes me wonder is it that or you know that certainly wouldn't explain your other observations but on that on the disability side it makes me wonder that's all in all of this are there are there i would love to know the diagnoses that is contributing to these numbers. Do we have that? Well, I don't think you have it. That's what I was going to say.

We're looking at Medicaid. You don't have it from the disability data or from the all-cause mortality data, but we do have it from the health insurance data. And specifically, Drew, if you look at the three military physicians I was referencing who parsed the DMED data, the Defense Military Epidemiology Database, they very clearly put this increase in certain conditions, namely things like pulmonary embolism increases uh compared to the annual average five-year average um in the years preceding the the rollout of the vaccine so i think we get some glimpse into it there on the disability side ed could you see can you parse

out what the disabilities were do Do you have access to that? No. The data I'm using is actually, for me, really good. For your question, not so good. It's the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, and it's a real-time household survey that's done every month. It's part of the employment report. And what's great about it is it shows real-time self-volunteered indication that you yourself are unable to work or someone in your household can't work. What's great about that, it's not tied to a disability claim. It's not tied to a doctor's note. So there's a strong signal there. And that's what I like on Wall Street, your signal signal so the signal here is massive so the question has to become what's going on now you know doc to dr drew's point

i don't disagree that questions uh should be asked about my thesis the problem is i'm not allowed to talk about my thesis except on uh different you you know, echo chamber, uh, uh, podcast. So this is a thesis that needs to be nationally discussed, but the pro the problem is we can't even broach the topic. No, that's it. We've talked about that. Uh, well, we've talked about that a lot in that the very first sign that something was awry, uh that, the fact that I was being shut down and that you and others, anyone who dared to ask the question, and the robust debate has been a cornerstone of medicine, certainly, up until this pandemic. It's only been during this pandemic that you are vilified, marginalized, censored, and canceled if you dare to ask any

questions or to even pose this data and say, hey, what's going on here? What, by the way, got you kicked off of Twitter? I cited some peer review study and discussed some CDC numbers that they didn't like because I broke it down by age. And that was the end of that. Ah, ah, can't be, can't be showing data. Yeah. We can't be showing data that doesn't, uh, support their thesis. I just want to mention, I'm very excited to be on today's show because a lot of my friends watch Dr. Drew and I applaud Dr. Drew for having me on and you telly because you know I consider you guys closer to the mainstream than what I've been doing which is great and it reaches a lot of people but what we need to reach the person who just isn't aware and that's all I just want to make awareness out there um Dr Drew you know one thing that we did notice in March through just raw CDC numbers is that the mixed shift of age groups shifted between 2020 and 2021.

In 2020, it was predominantly older folks who died, and in 2021, we had a mixed shift. So about 500,000 excessive deaths in 2020, 530,000 or so in in 2021 and it shifted predominantly to the younger age groups and just to give you one example in 2020 40 000 millennials died excessively that's 25 to 44. in 2021 60 000 excessively died so something happened to it and and we all know that cobit did uh affect predominantly in 2020 older folks with comorbidities not the young so much but something shifted in 2021. interesting caleb give us an opinion here on uh ed ed's sort of letting it rip a little bit on some of his numbers he can go ahead he's saying there's things he can go ahead and say anything he wants

i might have to pop up that disclaimer on screen at some point but that's no insult to you that's just the rules of the platforms that we're on and if i have to end up cutting it let me just say at some point it'll be on rumba yeah and our understanding is that the the early treatment was really the area that they were most concerned about and analyzing vaccine data they did not include in their in their concern so we are going to proceed with that so ed whatever you were thinking we're going to have to self edit please uh let it go let's see what you got um no i'm just the the case the the theory of the case as we roll through time gets worse and worse and the data collected, but this was a stock and I had a thesis and I bought it at $10.

The data coming in is to be an $80 stock by now. So the data is making me more and more confident. I'm at a hundred percent certainty in my mind that my thesis is correct. And I'm willing to put my professional reputation on it. And I have, and that's what i did on wall street i just you know i i took a stand and as the data rolled in i became more convicted or less convicted and sometimes i was wrong and if you're wrong on wall street you sell the stock and you you declare defeat there's nothing wrong with admitting you're wrong and if i saw data that suggested that I was dead to rights wrong, I would say so.

Let's talk a little bit, if we could, here about your new, you've got a book coming out that specifically looks at this increase, this massive increase in sudden death. I've been reporting on this for quite a while. I think you'd have to be blind to not have noticed that there's a significant increase in previously young, healthy Uber athletes, for example, dropping dead. And when I say dropping dead, we used to use that phrase drop dead, not literally. All of a sudden, people are dropping dead. I mean, they are going from a standing position to collapsing mid-run down the field or falling over in the operating room or whatever. People are dropping dead. Talk a little

bit about your book and what angle you're taking in the book and how you're handling this whole new made-up diagnosis of sudden adult death syndrome, because that's what it is. It was not a syndrome prior to the last 12 months. Talk a little bit about your book. Sure. So the premise of the book is to kind of just make people aware that something's going on that hasn't gone on before. And I want them to understand that growing up and before 2021, most of us don't remember hearing news stories of athletes in their prime, especially high school athletes, dropping dead on the field. We just did not hear that. That was not something that occurred a lot. Well, in the book, we're going to show story after story after story

of that. These are public articles at different newspapers, different newspaper websites. We're going to have QR codes that can link you directly to them so you don't have to believe me and think that I'm just taking a snapshot of something. You're going to be able to go verify it for yourself. So I want people to understand that something changed in 2021. This was not a normal occurrence. And if I can get people to understand that, then I take them through the journey of a stock picker with the theory of a case, and I present the data. Now, you don't have to agree with me, but at the very least, I want people to know that what's going on here is not normal, and we shouldn't normalize it. And if it's not the vaccines, what is it? And no one seems to care. And we need to find if it's not the vaccines,

what is it? And no one seems to care. And that as being the suspicious person that I am, the fact that they don't really care tells me I know what it is because it's the greatest coverup I've ever seen in my life. But that's me. Well, one of the things that was happening is that people were explaining it away, Ed, by saying these people were people who had contracted COVID. And it was in fact a side effect of COVID that they had cardiac damage or whatever. We now have a growing number of studies that is dispelling that myth. We had this large study out of Thailand that is a prospective study that actually did extensive cardiac workups in their entire population, study population of 13 to 18 year olds and proved that these kids had no evidence of cardiac abnormalities. And then lo and behold, 29.4% of them, nearly 30% developed cardiac

abnormalities following vaccination. So we've proven that those were not kids who had COVID and had some underlying cardiac issue. So I think, again, I keep saying it's not one bucket of information. It's not one piece that's going to get us there. It's by combining this tsunami of data that we have from the life insurance companies, disability companies, health insurance companies, rising death numbers, sudden deaths in young, healthy athletes. All of that taken together, I think is really what makes this picture. In terms of the stories in your book, are these ones that you just called the, you said the public data, or have you been soliciting people's stories as well? No, this is just, these are just news

stories and there's lots of them. So this is, and again, we're going to show anecdotally through Google searches and and and fifa stats this did not occur you know soccer soccer sudden deaths in you know in the soccer league did not happen until suddenly in in 2021 so where you have anecdotes so the idea is to bring the person into the book through anecdotes personalize it show that this isn't normal then walk them through the theory of the case and the hard, cold data and how I got into this journey and why I'm here now, why I think I'm qualified to talk about this because of my skill set. Guys, I have a couple of questions here I want to get to.

So one fear I have is that this is some sort of observer bias, right? So do you have data of sudden death, athlete sudden death syndrome which kelly you and i know that occurs from hypertrophic cardiomyopathies cardiac arrhythmias r on t is going to get hit in the chest you know this kind of stuff things happen i we actually had one of my kids soccer league when somebody kid just got a soccer ball to the chest and was dead and was had a peppy anesthesiologist on hand that was able to resuscitate him, thank God. But do we have, my first question is, so I have two questions. My first is, do we have the incidence of athlete sudden death,

which again, you're right, Kelly, we've now made up a name for it because presumably it's more common, that's why we've made the name up. And do we have data now versus say three years ago the the the data is is is not going to be as good as my metadata it's going to be that's why i call it the anecdotal data and that you have to kind of through discernment understand that something's changed but it's not hard cold data because it's hard to collate. And you know, and there's, you know, being a doctor, you guys know that how you categorize, what's the sudden death and how far away from the field did they die?

So we didn't want to get into that because that's kind of a rabbit hole, but we wanted to show that something had changed. We all know something has changed. Here's some data that might suggest that something has changed. Now, my theory is it's vaccines. Other people might come up with something else. But the fact that we're not talking about what's currently going on today in September is a 20% excess death rate across the country and in Europe.

20%. Crazy. When it should be going down. That's what's so crazy. We should have had a dip after a pandemic, yeah, which is really super crazy. And why that's not a headline, I don't know. But just that.

I mean, that is simply the fact that there are excess deaths in the Western world when there should be a dip period somebody needs to explain that i'm hoping somebody does but one last question kelly then you'll get to jump back in you've keep you keep edward and talking about your thesis but you i'm not sure i've actually heard the the the actual thesis like can you can you state it in a couple of sentences or is that something you're holding closer to your chest to get the actual formal thesis out? Uh, no, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll state it plainly that the, the vaccine is causing the vaccines neither safe nor effective it's causing, uh, uh, more

deaths than a normal vaccine would at a rate we've never seen before and disability. That's my thesis. And my evidence for that thesis is the fact that the working age population, especially the subgroup of insured, group life insured and employed people, have excess mortality at a higher rate than the general US population. To me, then verifies there was an event, that event was mandates. This would be hard, my case, Dr. Drew, would be harder to prove if there were no mandates. The mandates actually make my case very easy to prove. If this was, I would not have as much conviction as I do, except the fact that they mandated this thing and it's showing up in the data. Mm- your thesis, this thesis, yeah, this thesis is well corroborated now by relatively

recent studies because of some very aggressive FOIA requests. We now have the data from both Moderna and Pfizer. And if you look at when it comes to the incidence of adverse events related to the vaccines, looking at their own data that was available prior to the rollout of the vaccines, for every one hospitalization that was prevented, 4.3 serious adverse events occurred. And serious adverse events, to be clear, are defined as one that caused death, near death, hospitalization, or permanent disability. They subsequently have parsed that data to look specifically at that risk benefit calculation for 18 to 29-year-olds, because it really addresses the ethics and rationale for the mandates at the collegiate

level, at the university level. When you look at 18 to 29-year-olds, that same data shows that for every one hospitalization that would be prevented by the COVID vaccines, somewhere between 18 and 98 severe adverse events would happen. So the risk-benefit calculation is a big fat fail when you look at these COVID vaccines. It simply doesn't make sense. So I think your thesis, although you were way ahead of the curve, Ed, but it's being proven out. I wonder if he has seen that study you're quoting.

Have you seen the one, Ed, that Kelly's talking about? because it's come under some scrutiny in terms of how they analyze their data i'm just curious how you saw the the data analysis no i i haven't seen it so i can't speak to it but um are i'm sure maybe you're not but hopefully you're both aware that pfizer failed its uh all-cause mortality endpoint in the initial trial. And that came out in a FOIA request around October, November. And the important thing to know about that is the FDA, pre-COVID, would not approve a drug like that. That was considered the gold standard. I've talked to all my health care friends who are analysts on Wall Street, and they were shocked when they found that out.

They didn't know that until October, November. So based on that alone, this thing never should it should have been approved but i think i think that's where things are getting weird i think what gets weird is we don't know really what they're what they have decided without telling the public what they were willing to tolerate to get us out of this pandemic i I have a sneaking suspicion they were willing to tolerate a lot more problems than maybe they'll ever admit because they certainly behave like that. If you look at the swine flu vaccine that was rolled out in 1976, the swine flu vaccine was pulled after there were 25 presumed associated deaths.

It was pulled from the market. That's the standard. When we get to 25 severe adverse events that may be related, it is pulled from the market. Yet with these, you know, we had severe adverse events in the tens of thousands within a matter of weeks reported to VAERS. And yet, despite the fact that that is the system put in place by the CDC, specifically as an early warning sign, as the proverbial canary in the coal mine, that data was full out ignored. They simply explained it away. And all of a sudden, after 23 years, the VAERS system was no longer

good to be used as an early warning sign. It's inexplicable. I agree. It was Operation Warp Speed, a lot of institutional momentum. We're starting to find out now that the FDA, 75% of their drug unit budget is from user fees from large cap pharma. And then I found out today that 70% of all 2020s advertising budgets for the media TV was pharma, big pharma. So there was a lot of things and momentum behind this. I think we're going to be unraveling. I say, are you aware that there's data out there with regard to significant inconsistencies

in the number of adverse events related to certain batches of the vaccine? In fact, there's actually a website, How Bad Was My Batch? where you can put in which vaccine you took and the lot number and see the associated adverse events and or deaths associated with that lot. It's something like 80% of the severe adverse events

are associated with less than 20% of the actual vaccine lots. Is that information that you've looked into at all or even come across? I did not go into the batch data, primarily because I just wanted to look at metadata. But, you know, there's all sorts of anomalies going on here. And my biggest complaint is that we were not, as the public, told how this process was going to go about. And So there's a mismatch somewhere along the line of what they were going to tolerate publicly versus what the actual virus ended up doing to people. Right. Yeah. And I think that they were persuaded by,

they were under the sway. Oh my goodness. You're you're um your gardener either as a leaf blower or a weed whacker and he's coming he's going right under your couch but let me just let me just say that no no no don't it's fine we can deal with it but but it just it's it seemed to me i guess as we put you as we, Kelly and I have been talking to a lot of people that have come across email exchanges and were the object of a lot of silencing and whatnot. believed their chinese counterparts believed a false hope in a zero respiratory virus called covid uh bought into these draconian measures that beg no alternative and it really was just a fool's errand from the start and they just dug themselves in deeper and deeper and deeper and the the the vaccine you know it was safety uber alice than vaccine uber alice.

These were their two policies. And if you are in a vaccine uber alice policy, you know, vaccine is the one and only solution to all else that is occurring. You're going to accept a lot of things you might not otherwise accept. And I hope, wasn't it the former NIH director who said that, you know, I should have been more open about this. I should have been clear that we were kind of guessing. And is that who that was, Kelly? Do you remember this?

I'm just looking up who the most recent. Yeah, go ahead. No, it was Rochelle Walensky who said, you know, we were guessing. We really knew that the vaccine wouldn't be as effective as we said. And, you know, she kind of told all in her book. But I agree with you. I think truly at the biggest mistake, if I had to say, pick the biggest mistake of this entire pandemic debacle, and that's a long list from which to choose, it would be that they acted as if we were all at

equivalent risk from the virus when they knew from the very very beginning it was very clear that this was a virus that predominantly targeted the elderly and the infirm look what they almost look what they almost did to monkeypox you saw that same kind of approach coming on again and that's because we have trained a generation of public health officials with the notion that equity, Uber Alice, is the only prism through which you should analyze healthcare. And not just equity of resources, equity of outcome. That's another fool's errand when it comes to a complex medical situation like we've been through. No question. They did it with HIV and Anthony

Fauci was at the helm of that mismanaged outbreak as well, acting as if everyone is at equivalent risk when they know better. Children, we've known from the beginning of this pandemic, are at such a de minimis risk of a bad outcome from COVID as to be indistinguishable from zero. The idea of ever, ever mandating anything for kids or lockdowns or shutting schools, it was never justified. And all of this, by the way, for what it's worth, Ed, I am not anti-vaccine. I am extraordinarily pro-vaccine in general. I've been considered a vaccine zealot in the past, but these vaccines never made sense other than perhaps in the first few weeks, if you had told me that for a 90-year-old in a nursing home who was infirm, because their risk of a severe outcome was so high that I might have said,

okay, it makes sense to give them this untested vaccine. But for the vast, vast majority of people, and after the first couple of months, the risk-benefit calculation is a big fat fail. Well, certainly in a younger group. I still think it comes down in the favor of vaccine in the advanced stage, but that's picking nits at this point. Go ahead, Ed. So, uh, last week it came out that Denmark, uh, suspended the vaccine program for under 50. Um, interestingly enough, uh,

we saw some data that showed that, uh, excess mortality, almost every age group went up in 2021 over, uh, 2022 versus the death rate, No, pre-vaccine and post-vaccine, the excess mortality is higher. And the Danish health authorities are seeing this. They know. They know. And the UK has now come out, Ed, and said that they do not recommend vaccines be given to women of childbearing age unless the physician can prove, document that the woman is not pregnant, lactating or planning on getting pregnant.

Yet here in the United States, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology is still saying the vaccines are safe and effective and strongly recommended even for pregnant women. It's unconscionable. It's absolutely unjustifiable. We also analyzed the UK ONS data, and this is going in my book. Interestingly enough, it showed excess mortality going up for all ages except one through 14 were going down. Excess mortality was going down because COVID didn't

affect that age group. And also lockdowns tended to make excess mortality go down. Why? Because accidental death is the biggest cause of excess mortality in 1 through 14. So the excess death rate kept going down through 2020 and 2021 until the vaccination program for that age group hit in the UK and then it started rising. And that's another devastating piece of evidence. And that's why the UK dropped it. Although, just again, I'll just try to always find some wrinkle in this. At the same time, the vaccine is getting rolled out.

One to 14 is starting to move around again. Maybe accidents went back up again. But that data should be out there should be able to get that data well the lock we in my book i talk about when lockdowns end and when and when they're out there and the death rate keeps going down until the vaccine is introduced and in this slope of it and the excess deaths start to rise still negative still below normal but going backwards zero from negative give us your what what is your theory what happened i mean if you had if you're just sort of guessing based on the data you've seen and the where public health officials were behaving

can you i i have been because of talking to people like ed and mccall these guys kelly and i have been talking to and talking to kelly i i'm piecing together a story about what happened. And it's not, it's not very appealing. The story is not very appealing. But we're sort of, you know, Kelly, I've been sort of refining it and reiterating it and sort of coming up with, you know, things, you know, just simple examples of things we've uncovered that, you know, Dr. Paul Alexander was at the table when they came up with the idea of the six feet, social distancing, both terms made up six feet made up all of these things made up. What was going on?

What do you think was going on that led to the situation we're in? Well, I have the grand thesis, but let me just for your audience talk about old fashioned greed, corruption and, and power. And when this hit and Operation Warp Speed came into being, and the amount of money that was going to be thrown at this, it was easy to see that all sorts of people stood to benefit. I call it conspiracy of interests. The pharmaceutical industry was, Pfizer stood to make, I analyzed this, they did 40 billion pre-pandemic. In vaccine year 2021, they did 81 billion. They doubled

their revenues. Had this then turned into a quarterly booster program, which is what they were talking about at one point, if you remember, and they got 50% of the world market share. That was 300 billion. Okay. So that's a lot of money. And politicians like money. Advertisers like money. Tech companies saw an opportunity to make money off of the ancillary services of surveillance. So this conspiracy of interests, to me, I call it the meta fraud. They all kind of got on board, saw a way to make money. And anybody who tried to buck the narrative was, and because of the new technology and the platform that we have, people are shut down if they try to warn anybody about it.

And so is it just old-fashioned greed that is the primary driving force behind this? I think it's something much more complicated, frankly. I think it's these people and their hubristic sense of self-righteousness and their reputations and their authority and their authority being challenged and all this stuff. What do you say? Well, the grand metathesis I have, which I can't prove, is that COVID was a convenient excuse to cover up. I'm also known, Dr. Drew, for talking about global debt defaults and a new currency reset coming.

And basically, in 2019, the global economy was rolling over. There was something going on on Wall Street. And then COVID hit, and the Federal Reserve had an excuse to print 65% more money supply and save the financial system from collapsing. And if you're going to have a financial collapse, the central bankers and the politicians who have been basically borrowing money for the last 12 years since the great financial crisis can't be blamed. So wouldn't it be easier to blame it on the convenient excuse of COVID? And oh, by the way, introduce a system of control that could prevent riots.

You could turn on a COVID scare and shut down a riot in a heartbeat. So that's my grandmaster thesis. Harder to prove, but I can prove right now greed, corruption, and power. And I think I have to say, I think that the group, well, I think there's no question that money plays a huge role. I don't think it's, hey, it certainly isn't the entire explanation. It is otherwise, I mean, money, money's always been out there as a driver. But when you watch the intoxication that everybody from the federal government to governors, to the teachers unions, the intoxication with power and their ability to control things, to use this excuse of this pandemic to do everything from drive social justice narratives to climate change narratives. As you said, it is, you know, I predicted very, very early on that this would end up causing us

to go to all mail and ballots because of course it'll be too dangerous for people to go to uh the polls and on and on and on this is far more you know reaches far further in my mind than just greed uh and avarice i think i think money is part of the explanation yeah yeah the thing that's the mrna by the way let me throw in there too drew because the i think the mRNA, by the way, let me throw in there too, Drew, because I think the overwhelming desire of some of the powers that be on the global level to have a common mRNA vaccine platform. And I think that this was, they saw this as a way to make mRNA a household term, something that was accepted, something that people, all of a sudden, people who wouldn't think, you know, would never consider eating a genetically modified tomato, all of a sudden we're perfectly happy to roll up their sleeve and get two, three, four mRNA vaccines that hadn't been tested. And I think you cannot overstate that piece of it. Back to your, Kelly, your thesis about there being sort of

an enthusiasm for the direction this all took us. I do remember, you know, maybe six months into the pandemic, it was just really, again, whenever I found myself shaking my head, those are the things I'm, you and I are seeking to try to find answers to now. And one of the things I shook my head at was the glee, the enthusiasm with which say my governor shut down the entire state, just enthusiasm. He couldn't wait to do it i i i thought of being in that position and i had two reactions one was well maybe he's preparing for the worst and he's in a tough position but the other is oh my god how uncomfortable that would be to to do that to people and he seemed to just love it and keep it going and still hasn't undone the emergency decree that we are under.

And then our health officials in my own city and county, if you dared, dared to push back on them, they would come in with the force of God and really like one, there was one famous story of, like in Glendale or something, of a hamburger store that kept serving hamburgers on picnic benches outside. They came in and they essentially soldered, you know, wire, you know, essentially was fencing around the guy's business. And this was a family business that around for 50 years closed for good.

And he was just trying to survive, just trying to pay his employees. And they were serving hamburgers out of doors where the virus does not transmit. And, but you dare to push back on their mandate and you were, you were met with this incredible force. Now,

by the same token, Susan and I would go to Dana point because the sheriff there wouldn't enforce anything. And you could eat at restaurants and you can walk around you know normally in those environments but but in la county and the state generally the glee and enthusiasm with which that that sword that powerful that whatever the crucible was they were wielding was thrown about was was just astonishing to me so i'd like to hear more one day about what was going on in those back rooms as well. Did they have any misgivings about it?

Or this was just, as you said, Kelly, an opportunity to bring on a whole wave of other things that they're enthusiastic about. Well, you know my thoughts, and I believe that that was a huge driver. You're right. The glee that people had in dumping sand in skateboard parks and, you know, arresting people, you know, who are daring to do things like, you know, surf. You know, it really goes way beyond money. I'd be interested, you know, Ed, you undoubtedly know that the number of billionaires who were made out of this pandemic, it's not just the vaccine manufacturers. We made a lot of billionaires in were made out of this um this pandemic it's not just the vaccine manufacturers

we made a lot of billionaires in china for example because almost everything came from china all of the ppe you know where do you think the gloves and the syringes and the needles and the plexiglas came from almost all of it was coming from overseas it It wasn't coming from U.S. manufacturing plants. So if you look at the number of billionaires who were made in years 2020, 2021, a huge percentage of them are actually overseas and specifically in China. One of the things that really disturbed me early on in the lockdowns and the pandemic in 2020 was this notion of essential businesses and the shuntering of mostly small businesses. And the big box stores were able to stay open and take tremendous amount of share. That's why the stock market recovered

and went to new highs into the end of 2021, primarily because this was the most egregious shift of wealth and power to so few I've ever seen in my life. Many small businesses closed forever. And the, you know, I kept saying to myself, why is Costco safer than a store with two people on it? I'm going to Costco and there's hundreds of people here. It made no sense to me. Well, how was that able to happen?

Is that just cronyism? Uh, I'm not sure. You know, there might be a good case for a Rico act if someone did some investigating of, uh, of emails and whatnot, but you know, this smells of Rico, you know, rocketeering to shut down small business and grab power. I mean, it smelled like that to me. I talked about it on Twitter before I was banned. I got some pushback, but I'm just a guy that analyzes patterns,

and it made no sense to me these big box stores with more people who could get infected were more essential than the small little grocery store where four people show up. Kelly, maybe you get our friend Harmeet Dhillon to kind of look at things through that prism. She's fishing around right now. So it's very interesting. Oh my goodness. Again, you know, Kelly,

when you and I talk to some people, I get this, I get what my grandmother called agita. I get a horrible feeling every time. Every time. And I sort of don't want to believe it because I have an optimistic I have an optimism bias uh and it is definitely a bias uh let me be clear about it and uh and I also want

to be very careful I as I as I've said several times and at least the latter part of this conversation that that one of the enemies in this whole mess was hubris and we don't want to be hubristic either in terms of our analysis of these things we want to be very circumspect very systematic very you know i think it's always important to qualify these things um though i'm glad ed you're looking at it i've been worried about it for a while and you keep hearing about every time well the news media seems to be pushing out young deaths i because because comes on my feed, probably because I click on them all to see what they died of, to see if this sudden adult death thing is as pervasive as I worry it is. So again, I don't know if it's an observational bias or if I'm really seeing something.

Based on your data, I think we are. Are you continuing to collect data in the more recent term? Absolutely. I mean, what I just told you was data that we collected from the Society of Actuary Reports. So we're just scouring the planet for more data. My two PhD physicists, the charts and graphs we're putting in the book are up to date, up to the August time frame. So everything we're doing, we're just rolling along and we're collecting. And honestly, Drew, I would love to see excess mortality start to trend back towards zero, but it's not. And that's the thing that has me the

most concerned. We should be trending back to normal and we're not. And know you can you can argue with me all day long but at least we need to ask the question and no one seems to be interested in it from a governmental agency standpoint in fact i said covid's over yeah that was the astonishing thing to me yeah well if if i if my thesis is correct ed i to say it, we will see a decrease in these sudden deaths. You will see a decrease in the incidence of those if people stop getting boosted neurologic conditions, and other things that will's also to identify and ward off that first neoplastic change in a cell. When your immune system is what sees that first cell and says, wow, that's an abnormal looking colon cell. Let me just gobble that up. That's an abnormal looking breast cell. Let me gobble that up. The immunosuppressive effect of these vaccines and the data are irrefutable. We know

that the immune system is negatively affected by these vaccines. And therefore I have predicted, and I think we will see in the years to come, significant increases in deaths from these other things rather than the sudden deaths, those collapses on the soccer field types of things, assuming that is we stop these injections. And Kelly, I'd love just to check back in with Ed in maybe six weeks or so and get an update on data. Ed, are you available for that kind of thing where we can check back with you? Absolutely.

Check back with me. I can tell you one more piece of data. At the end of Q2, the insurance companies were not thinking what I'm thinking, and many still don't, but there are more coming around in my point of view. They're predicting that we're going to see death rates and disability rates go back to normal in the subsequent quarters and years, okay? Next couple of quarters into next year. Unfortunately, I have an insider who told me things aren't looking so good in Q3. On Q2, they thought this. In Q3, excess deaths are still elevated beyond their expectations, and disabilities are actually

continuing to rise. So that's before they report the numbers. That's the inside chatter that they're not seeing improvement. Well, you see they're're already, they're already sort of, uh, chumming the water for the disability part to be from COVID itself. Well, what did I see a publication today that said that, uh, COVID is the single biggest mass disability event in human history because of long COVID. And that is not what I'm experiencing as a physician. I'm seeing plenty of long COVID. I'm seeing long COVID from vaccines as a physician. I'm seeing plenty of long COVID.

I'm seeing long COVID from vaccines too, but it's not the most, you know, they're there again, they seem to be preparing, uh, the, the populace for some sort of message about COVID itself. So that'll be interesting if that becomes a continued part of the narrative. Ed, we appreciate you being here. When is the book out? Uh, hopefullymber 8th i'm uh writing uh i hope to get it done by friday tomorrow uh friday excellent well thank you for

sharing the data with us and thank you for doing this work i i i i think we have to look at it we have to you know it's a really incumbent on the medical profession just kind of at least explain what we're seeing and not pretend we're seeing doesn't that there's nothing to see there seems to be a signal and it needs to be explained and if it's the vaccine we need to contend with that and we need to reduce the risk for people you know again once again it's probably this this equity issue this age issue that we have to, you know, if you hear Dr. Walensky, she said we had to streamline, and what did she say? She used the word like simplify our messaging. So we just said everybody over 12 get the vaccine. Everybody over 12. That is an insanity. That is the opposite of how medicine is practiced. That is an insanity that is, you know, on the sort of

disgusting scale. So, okay. Kelly, thank you as always. We appreciate you and we'll see you next Wednesday. Uh, who is with us next Wednesday? Do you know? Dr. Bhattacharya. Bhattacharya is coming back. And, uh, he of course is my poster child for the excesses of this whole experience. And, uh, Ed, we'll look forward to your book and talking to you again soon. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me on, guys. Pleasure to be here and keep up the good

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