Ask Dr. Drew - Swalwell & Gonzalez Resign: Dr. Drew Answers Calls On The Scandals, Iran War & Trump’s Deleted “Blasphemous” Post w/ Dr. Azadeh Khatibi – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 610

Episode Date: April 17, 2026

Democrats and Republicans are cleaning house this week: both Eric Swalwell and Tony Gonzales resigned from Congress following a wave of scandals. Dr. Drew is taking your calls and wants to know: Are they “innocent until proven guilty” or is the evidence so strong that they just needed to go? Global tensions continue to escalate as the Iran War continues. And in a rare move, President Trump deleted one of his Truth Social posts that many perceived as blasphemy – was this a smart move, or did he bend to the mob? Joining Dr. Drew to answer calls is ophthalmologist and surgeon Dr. Azadeh Khatibi, who fights for bodily autonomy and medical freedom in Sacramento. Dr. Azadeh Khatibi is a fellowship-trained and board-certified ophthalmologist, surgeon, physician-scientist, filmmaker, actress, teacher, and activist. She is currently working on a film about free speech in medicine. She hosts the show WITHIN with Dr. Azadeh Khatibi, MD, MS, MPH on YouTube, Spotify, Rumble and podcast platforms. She was a Regent’s Scholar at UCLA, graduating Phi Beta Kappa with Highest Departmental Honors in Molecular, Cell, Developmental Biology. She studied at UCSF in the Joint Medical Program and holds a Master’s in Public Health and a Master’s in Health & Medical Sciences from UC Berkeley. Follow at https://x.com/AzadehKhatibiMD 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • STRONG CELL – If you want to feel more like your younger self, go to https://strongcell.com/ and use code DREW for 20% off. • AUGUSTA PRECIOUS METALS – Thousands of Americans are moving portions of their retirement into physical gold & silver. Learn more in this 3-minute report from our friends at Augusta Precious Metals: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/gold⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or text DREW to 35052 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, a little bonus show today. Oh, my goodness, I'm out of frame here. Nope, wrong way. All right. We are going to talk to another physician, Dr. Azadikatibi. She's a board-certified ophthalmologist and filmmaker, actress, activist. She's had a lot going on lately, and we're going to talk to her and take your calls. This hopefully, we've always said we wanted to dedicate a show to calls.

This is most of the show today. That will be at 833. 3 DR DRDW. Let me look and see if anybody's there yet. Hold on. Oh, yeah. People are already loading in. I see them.

Yeah. All right got a call. So let's do it. So I'll chat with Dr. Katibi for a few minutes. And then we'll take some calls after the first break. See you after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this.

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calls on Lovelin all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. Do you have trouble? You can't stop and you want to help stop it. I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. As I said, I'm welcoming Dr. Kativi here in just a second. I'm going to try to get you The particulars where you can follow her on X.

So listen carefully. Then first name is spelled A-Z-A-D-E-H. Last name is K-H-A-T-I-B-I-M-D. That is on X. TV, welcome back. Dr. Drew, it is such a pleasure to be with you. I am super excited. And hopefully this conversation will be great for the audience and serve them.

Yeah, we've got calls coming in, too. I'm just going to look over there again to see of what's kind of coming in. Oh, they want to talk about California and the gubernatorial race. But before we get, let's talk about what's latest in medicine. I am still sort of astonished. That's what the little piece we rolled in here for Dr. Victor and I were talking about the unwillingness to look at the issues around the COVID vaccine. It was neither, I realized after that day of talking.

to Dr. Victory, I'm with the opinion that it was neither all good nor all bad. But there are issues and the mandates were essentially all bad because we didn't have the bioethical standing for mandates of any type. And unfortunately, because of, I think it's the PEP Act and because of the lack of any sort of liability on the part of the vaccine manufacturers, nobody has any recourse in spite of young men getting myocarditis. What is wrong with our peers? We can't have a conversation. Let's just talk about the pathogenic protein, the spike protein, and then later try to figure out what the source of it was, perhaps. I mean, I think about that question all the time. Like, what's wrong with people, that they can't have civil conversation?

What's wrong with our colleagues? That logical discussion and debate is something that, you know, they, if it's something that's so abrasive to their way of, like, thinking or their paradigm that they've created in their head, their story. We all create stories in our heads of our perspective. and it's one piece of the jigsaw puzzle. And you have to have some humility and be humble to know, I don't know everything. And I'm open and I'll put my piece of the jigsaw puzzle in here. And then maybe other people will put in theirs. But I really feel strongly that my piece of the puzzle deserves to be right here and it's in the correct place.

But I'm willing to move around with other pieces and see like, okay, well, maybe I do need to shift it a little bit. that's, I think, what we need with our collegiality that we need to promote the sense of professionalism that was kind of taught to us. Let me stop you. Let me stop you. People have forgotten it. There's the collegial. Well, yeah, how to be collegial, I agree. But you're a scientist, right?

You had molecular and developmental biology and your training. And the first sort of discipline you develop in science is uncertainty. You're rationally always open to what. what nature tells us through the, through the scientific endeavor. I don't understand how people can say it's my way or the highway with, with anything in medicine and really stay true to the scientific discipline. Because it's no long,

they're not engaging in scientific discipline anymore. They're engaging in propaganda. That's what they are. Like this or, you know, or they're feeding into the propaganda or they're, it's not real science anymore because most, we don't know most things.

the human body is so intricate. It is so complex and complicated with this reaction that you interfere with having this downstream effect that you'll find out about 20 years later. Oh, actually we're causing this, you know, 20 years later. Now we know, right? So you have to have this open-minded humility about it and to understand you don't know most things. But then when someone, like in the physician Facebook group says, oh, you're questioning this, you must be anti-vax. We're throwing you out of the Facebook group. Like that then causes a lack of communication and makes the separation even greater.

And that really is concerning to me that in medicine we are so separate from each other now. Are you of Iranian descent yourself? Yeah, I am. I was born in Iran, actually. It's been another thing to think about these past couple of months. I'm going to switch gears on you completely. I thought I saw some posts that you made early on in this whole conflict. like help me make sense of that from an Iranian perspective.

Like what's happening in Iran? I mean, so I was born at the time of the revolution. And I grew up in Iran for the first certain number of, you know, early childhood until like elementary school. And I just remember, you know, there was the life inside your home and the life outside your home. And there was, you behaved differently inside and outside. And that was the case for so many people. because, you know, and this 1979 revolution, people thought that, you know, the Shah, who in their minds was so bad, was going to leave. And these great mullahs, not everybody, obviously, some people were Shaw proponents.

They thought these great mullahs are going to come in. I remember my dad, who now is like, he's done a complete 180 in terms of religion and Islam. But he used to be quite religious. I don't know how he married my mom, but he did. but back then he'd be quite religious. And they would have these discussions in the house. They would tell me, like, real, like, arguments. They're both Sagittarius, like, deep arguments about, like, the mullahs are great.

What are you talking about? These are learned men, religious men. Why wouldn't they do something great? This is the kind of person you want to lead a country, my dad would say. My mother would say, no, no, no, this is wrong. What's up with a referendum? Because they had a referendum that said, Islamic Republic, yay or nay?

And it was like some ridiculous 99% number, 99% number that said, yay. And so very quickly, within a few months, people realized, oh, this revolution that we pushed for is not what they promised. A lot of people ended up getting murdered. People were getting women, after they instituted the hijab rule, women were demonstrating in the streets saying, no hijab, no hijab, no hijab, no hijab. And it turned violent on them, right? the civil society in which they had lived. Now these people that were filled with religious Islamist fervor were coming and hurting them, knifing them, hitting them.

And so everybody to save their life became quiet and went along to get along or else you'd be killed. And the number of political prisoners is there, I just don't know. I don't know. I can't think of any time in history where totalitarianism of. any stripe yielded good outcome for the people under the government. I just can't, I just, I just decentralization is the name of the game. So the question to you, as someone who lived through all that, do we forge on? Are we making, are we going in the right direction?

Do you object to it completely? Where do you fall? Well, I think that early on in the Islamic Republic and Mark Chengeese talks about this beautifully, people in that totalitarianism, in that, and if you read the constitution of the Islamic Republic. It basically is essentially a dictatorship. They pretend they're a democracy. But if you actually read how the government is set up, it's centralized power and the supreme leader, ultimately who gets to choose, who can even run for office. So it's not a real democracy. So what Mark Chingisi said was that early in a totalitarian regime, when people don't know what

other people and the population think, then everybody keeps quiet. But once, and it's happened over these past couple decades that people are now so much more vocal about it, especially the youth. The majority of Iran did not, was not born at the time of the revolution. So the majority of Iranians are actually post-Islamic Republic

and yet And so now they're speaking up. They're speaking up and yet our youth are seen to be leaning towards the warm embrace of collectivism and let's face of totalitarianism that follows. It's such a

such a strange time. Do you have anything words of wisdom for them as someone who lived through all this? I think that I used to think to myself, oh, why not have everybody be together and everybody work together? And collectivism sounds like this great idea. Like I used to, in my younger days, think like, yeah, and centralized authority where everything's organized sounds wonderful and everybody's taking care of until I realized that human beings at this level of our consciousness, at this level of our society, at this level of

our brain development with our animal brains and our higher brains and then, you know, as we develop consciousness, we're not in a place with a level of sociopaths we have in our society and the lack of identification of who they are as children and how hierarchies can become really bad, really fast. We're not in a place to be able to have that kind of collectivist society for it to be healthy. Just study some neurobiology, some study some evolutionary neurobiology, and you'll realize that. Just study some history and you'll realize that.

Maybe in a few thousand years or, you know, 20,000 years, if we've developed the skill sets and the brains to be able to have that and identify people who are going to be, become more, have more propensity towards evil and towards taking advantage of others earlier so we don't have them infiltrate our societies and gain power, maybe then that would work, but not in this level of our consciousness. I just want to go back also

and talk about Iran and what's happening now. So based on what was happening early on then, I was really, really, you know, over decades now, we all understand like the majority of people in the country are against the Islamic Republic. And now that we have that knowledge

and the fact that Iran funds terror proxies, this is a group of, this is a government that wants to actively go after the West and has its own Iranian imperialism. You know, people talk about American imperialism. They don't talk about Iranian imperialism, Islamist imperialism that Iran is promoting or the Islamic Republic is promoting. So given that on top of what they've done to their people and the thousands of people they've killed this year and the increasing number of executions, the human rights violations, the fact that they don't care about their own people and they don't care about anything other than their

Islamist dream, they must be stopped. So, I mean, we were so happy when the bombing began and all of those people who have this dystopian vision of spreading Islam and stopping the West have been stopped. And I really hope that, you know, I think that there's many things that are going on that we are just getting the first layer of in terms of what our United States government is doing. and the multi-layered information that is not given to us, I think there, you know, I think that there's going to be a lot more in store for the war. And that's just my feeling about it in terms of actual fight.

That felt a little, it felt a little veiled, whatever you're saying there. What do you mean? I mean, I think probably whatever a negotiation, that happened recently were probably designed to fail on the part of the United States. Like, I think that the U.S. went into this as a, say, hey, at least we tried. We tried to negotiate with these people, and it didn't get anywhere. And so we have to take the next step. That's what I think is going to happen.

Is that, did I take the veil off enough, or do you want me to take more? A bit, a bit. Well, always. But I think I get it. Okay. I think that's what's going to happen. I think there's going to be more fighting. Well, pretty clearly, I mean, we're already, you know,

we're into it a bit with the straight-harmu's closing. And I'm sure they're going to go off to the uranium and then they're going to have to do something with Kyrgyz Island. And then here we go. It's just more, more, more. You know, but we do have, the extraordinary thing to me is that you have the UAE and the Saudis sort of right alongside, it seems like, I don't know if that's real or not,

but that to me is sort of an extraordinary development. And he set the stage that, you know, he set the stage that didn't be. Trump was setting the stage last year when he had all of those meetings with Saudi Arabia and with UAE with Qatar. Like he, you know, economically he had set the stage, but also, right, so now these countries have much more incentive to be aligned with us. This is just my take on it.

Like, they're more incentivized to be with us because they can economically grow. if they're aligned with us. I'm not totally sure about because I hear things, but the other two seem like lined up. Anyway, there's a lot to, we're in the middle of history here,

so I guess we'll see it unfold. But what I want to do is take a quick break, and when I come back, we're going to take some calls. I've got Derek on hold, and he wants to talk about the governor race in California. We have all this stuff coming out on Swamwell.

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Where is he? Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew. We are going to take your calls at 8333-3-D-R-A-W. I'm talking to Dr. Azade Kati-Katibi. She's an ophthalmologist, a public health expert, and Phi Beta Kappa in molecular cellular developmental biology, which is no BS.

Dr. Katibi, are you doing ophthalmology? these days? I'm taking a little bit of a break from ophthalmology. I actually am doing a lot more medical advocacy right now, probably headed to Sacramento tomorrow, working on things, promoting medical freedom. But I definitely have... Can you talk about that tomorrow? I have my board certification still. I do my CMEs. I talk to my colleagues about all the real I know the CME routine. I was on the plane yesterday, grinding those out. But I also was thinking about going up on Wednesday.

Can you talk about that initiative? Oh, yeah. So there's a bill that's been presented to the California Senate called SB 1377, which is kind of reverting back a little bit and changing some of the problems with are medical exemptions. So in order to attend school, children have to have certain vaccines. And some doctors think that the individual children should warrant a medical exemption to not get vaccinated for certain vaccines in order to attend school based on their previous

side effects from vaccines or a certain sibling reaction, et cetera. And what's happened in the past five to ten years is that. that that framework has changed so that the California Department of Public Health had a lot more control over saying no to vaccine exemptions and limiting the number of vaccine exemptions a doctor could write. And that, unfortunately, has created a very bad system where doctors are now frightened to write medical exemptions, even for children who really, really need it. And so it's left parents bereft. It really is an equity issue. It's an ethics issue. And so this law, SB 1377, which I hope your audience members will go and contact the members of the Senate

Health Committee about, will seek to remedy some of the problems with it and give more power to doctors to be able to make individual decisions for their individual patients, as opposed to our overlords in the California Department of Public Health, anonymously Thank you. We'll talk about that in a second. Derek, you're calling us about the California gubernatorial run. talk to us. That's me.

I'm up, huh? And Dr. Drew, it's Eric. Eric. Oh, they put it down. The AI said it as Derek. I apologize. Eric. That's all right.

I heard that in the prompt. But are you still talking to the doctor? I am. She's right here, Dr. Azade Kutbi. Is it just me and you all on? Oh, okay. Okay. So I just want to get your thoughts on.

And the rest of the audience. Oh, okay. No, that's fine. That's fine. I'm happy to be on here. Thank you for having me. But I'm just curious to your thoughts on Steve Hilton and Chad Bianco. Or would you like to hear my thoughts first?

Go ahead. You tell us. I've always been a fan of his, but you tell me. Of who's now, Dr. Drew, Bianco or Hilton? Bianca, I mean, I was a fan back during the. But you tell me, what are your thoughts on him? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was big on the anti-mandate.

Um, he didn't, he, he, he held it down in Riverside County. But nevertheless, you know, I wanted to talk about Hilton more so. I think you know some history on Bianco. He's homegrown. He's got a really good grassroots, um, um, base behind him right now. Uh, Steve Hilton's being pushed by major media sources. Um, you know, he hasn't, one of my main issues with him is that he hasn't introduced his life to the public yet to its constituents.

Um, she hasn't even. even gotten her U.S. citizenship yet, whereas he has just got his in 2021. I'm not sure if you're aware of that, but she, they first came here in 2009 after leaving the UK where he was, the prime, David Cameron, the prime minister out there. He was his, his advisor where he tried to, he tried to rebrand, I guess you can say, the conservative Tory party out there. And his slogan was vote blue, go green, where he was. And he wanted to do. invest into subsidies and windmills and climate, you know, things. But that failed miserably.

He came here and now wants to do the same thing in my eyes to California, but, you know, behind a facade that he's putting up. I know Donald Trump just endorsed him recently. That was pretty disappointing to me. And I know to a lot of other homegrown Californians. But his wife, I guess, is my biggest. I think I'm really glad you're informing people. The, the, Sheriff Bianco, I think the one thing that people took issue with, I was a fan of his during the COVID and the riots and everything.

I don't, I have no criticism of it at all. I thought you're right. He held the line. But his, I think he's the one that kneeled during the riots and people are questioning. You know, they, I've not heard him really speak about that. I think the people that take a, go ahead. No, you're exactly right. I know, it was a, you know, it was really the heat of war at that point. He's trying to make a good decision. He's trying to show good faith.

I get it. I get why he did it. Yeah. Imagine yourself in that situation. And imagine yourself in that situation and being in charge. No, I'm with you. I'm with you. A very radical group.

I think he did a stellar job. You know what I mean? Nobody could put themselves in their shoes unless they're in that situation. I think he did it. They didn't tear the city apart like they did. LA County. They didn't, you know, I think he did a wonderful job. It was all taken out of context, you know.

As far as I'm concerned, that's not a do or die for me at all. I think he did a good job. Well, I just think you should, I think because you're a fan of his, I'm not really sort of cast my vote yet, but so to speak. But I think since you're a fan of his, you ought to address that, you, because that's where the criticism comes in. So just, you know, talk about it with people. Thanks, Eric, appreciate it.

So we have Swalwell now. Dr. Kattee. And we were taking a call still, 8333, 3, 3, Dr. Drew. You know, what I don't get, I mean, so much of it is just egregious. It's, you know, whatever. But we have a, we as taxpayer pay for a fund

to protect these assholes. And by the way, they're apparently on both sides. Say what you will about George Santos. You know, he got his butt handed to him. And he came out and said, hey, this is going on all over the place. There's way worse than what I did. I'm guilty.

I did some bad stuff. But, you know, the people should be aware. And I don't understand why we don't know it in the day of the internet and social media. Why don't we know better about what our representatives drop to? And by the way, you know, if they were really great representatives and doing a wonderful job, I mean, I would like them to come to justice. And I don't want to pay for their hush money. But they're not doing anything.

They're doing a crappy job. And they're doing horrible thing. I mean, he really messed up his life, didn't he? I mean, he could have been somebody who was channeling that energy that he had, that he then turned towards doing manipulative, assaultive, allegedly, assaultive behavior and allegedly raping. You know, he could have channeled that fervor and passion to something to do. do great things.

But it just is a reflection of what was going on inside of him that he needed to, he needed some sort of outlet of control or power or getting his needs met. And it made me think like, oh, what are the personality types that like become, you know, there's certain doctors have a tendency to be a certain personality type. Politicians and people who think they're, I'm great. I could do this. I could lead the masses, right? It takes a certain personality.

And not all of them, obviously, but maybe that's why we have the fun. Because maybe we have the fun because that personality type can mess up and that self-belief and that I can take it. I can do it. I can achieve it. Can then lead to I can take this that I want from this woman and I can do this that I want and I can manipulate this and I can allegedly drug this person. It's really, really messed up.

It is really messed up. I was worried that your final assessment there is about right. So before you make me worried that you're a little naive about sex addiction, drug addiction, sociopathy, narcissism, these things are the high degrees of liability in terms of bad judgment, exploiting others, compulsively acting out, lying, compartmentalizing, bullshitting, obfuscating. this is a feature, not a bug, of the kind of person that could be attracted to these sorts of jobs, as you're saying. And yeah, I get it. No one's perfect. Everyone has sort of whatever weaknesses or liabilities they have. And I'm compassionate for it, right? I treated all these people for decades. And I have deep compassion for it. And they can get a lot better, not when they are hurting other people. If you break the law, you hurt other people. Well, now you've crossed over, right? Now it's no longer, it's like a drunk driver who has multiple times,

a drinker who has multiple chances to get sober and then drive drunk and kill somebody. Okay. Now it's up to the legal system. Sorry. My compassion runs dry right there. Right. And he has to be held accountable. And this is the way he's going to be held accountable because he didn't learn the lesson

earlier. He never, you know, and he never was accountable on himself for his past behavior. So it's going to end up now being very public, very hurtful to his family. And I'm glad at least the women who have been allegedly hurt by him have now, now realize they are not alone. And, you know, people say, oh, this came out because he's running and people hire up, wanted to destroy him. They knew about this all along. But it did. But it did. That's the, that's the reality. It did come out right now because of the gubernatorial raise. But the question is, why don't we know about this? Why don't we know about all these guys? How do we allow our money to respect protecting them?

There's some reporters for smaller newspapers at least that who have said they know. And the reason or excuse they gave is, you know, I was afraid that they would come after me and they would sue, you know, swallow would sue me. He's very litigious or he's been known to not or he's been known to be. threatening litigation and you know newspapers small newspapers may not be able to take that or maybe they were but then why wouldn't you just give it to a larger paper like a larger outlet and give that that scoop to a larger outlet you know so there was some

irresponsible journalists I think along the way and irresponsible irresponsible lawmakers lots of it knew about it and it's just it's really it's really sad and it's I just hope the women there is I'm I'm going to see if I, Caleb, I'm going to send you a video, an ex post. I don't know if we're allowed to, see if I can find it,

that has a video with all, you know, eight different journalists running to his aid. Shoot, let me see if I can find it. Oh, gosh, darn it. Let's just spice it to say, you can find video after video after video saying, oh, this is petty Trump going after this poor congressman. This is conspiracy theory. This is running to judgment again. This is this poor.

If you could see these videos, I'm going to, maybe during the break, I'm going to try to find it. Like, this is like six to 12 months ago, it was hashtag believe all women. And now those exact same people are like, no, he hasn't had his day in court. I'm like, you guys are bots. You literally change your opinion. We're saying the same exact thing for this guy and Gonzalez. Like they're both bad. It's not a partisan issue here.

At least stay consistent with your principles, all these bots on X. Right. I know. I mean, it's really kind of wild. The same thing applies to some of the Iranian issues and how somebody in a fundamentalist religion, a government run by a fundamentalist. Treat women. Treat gay people. Treat trans.

I mean, all of a sudden, that's all, I don't know, it's hard to understand the consistency in these things. But I'm not finding it. It's so striking. Go ahead. Spacey 118 made this comment in the comment section. Like if you if you can't control yourself, you know, your pervert acts like why, why should you be on the Intel committee? Which is like really like these people, right?

They compartmentalize like you said, but their personality is still going into the decision making of what they're doing. So they're not really whole wise beings, you know, as far as whole wise as you can. And it's, you know, the personal. They're not fully present. They're not fully. And there's there's something else going on. Oh my gosh.

Can you imagine what potentially he could be texting people or what he's thinking about while he's listening? But forget that. Remember, there's some concern he may have been consorting with a spy. And the point is, the guys on our intel community, he has liabilities. His behavior creates liabilities for this country and for him. All right, let's take another quick break. Give us some calls. 8333-D-R-D-R-A-W. We always promise we'd dedicate it.

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is that these guys make these wild claims right into a microphone about other people all the while. I guess I shouldn't be that surprised by it. And people, I guess they're afraid they'll be sort of seen as not towing the line and therefore scrutinized as a result. So they kind of have to go out there and say the things they say. But Caleb, I emailed you. It was a leader in that, though. Hold on a second. I know, I know.

Listen, he was the Russian-Colusion guy. He was a head. He was number one in the race. Yeah, yeah. It's really, I do that. Sometimes people even mystify me. I just am like, I cannot imagine, unless he's, substance would explain things. Whenever, whenever I find myself going, blah, blah, blah, blah, I can't understand what happened.

It's always drug abuse or alcohol in there. So I leave the door open to that possible explanation. But Caleb, I sent you an email with this clip with all these press people. It's an ex-clip running to, it's really stunning. And then, by the way, and fast, here it is. And then fast forward to today, they're all sort of massaging one another. Oh, what great journalistic, great job we've done to uncover this stuff with Swalwell. Really, it's, they're as bad as the politicians.

Here, take a look at this. He had a briefing as well as Speaker, former Speaker Pelosi, had the briefing from the FBI. And the FBI never came before this Congress to tell the leadership of this Congress that Eric Swalwell had a problem with the Chinese spy. Political vengeance seems to be the flavor of the day with the 118th Republican-led Congress. Kevin McCarthy, even in his press conference on Thursday, continues to say false claims about some members, including Eric Swalwell, Adam Schiff, for key members on the Intelligence Committee saying that because... What the reality is,

is this small-minded, petty people will drop-offs. Swalwell has never been accused of any wrongdoing. Very old FBI investigation from 2015, and there's something in the files that will embarrass him because we couldn't bring him. He clarified and exonerated, Eric Swallow. Now they want to change that to benefit just... We're connected to an alleged Chinese spy.

Do you feel like you are being especially targeted that it's coordinated even with MAGA media almost? Well, it's because I'm effective. The Republicans called for Representative Eric Swalwell to be removed from the Intelligence Committee. I can't. And so, I know it's incredible. That's just a sampling, right? But what I, look, they had motivated reasoning.

A lot of people have motivated reasoning these days to defend their positions. But what I don't understand, I guess I shouldn't be so shocked by this. but I'm kind of shocked bad is nobody steps up and go, got that wrong. Apologies, I'll do better next time. Anything. Anything where they acknowledge, it's like, it's like it goes by and, yep, on to the next thing. The next thing we're going to get wrong, which you're supposed to be reporting the truth or some approximation of the truth. And it's just one, whether it's, you know, Ivermectin being horse-paced or Swalwell being this upstanding citizen or, you name it, the importance of lockdown.

Yeah, just one thing after another, they get these things wrong. They are evangelical in pushing them and they never go, got it wrong. I'm going to update my priorities. I'm going to do better next time. I think it's really important and no one does it. Most people are walking around with giant egos. And part of that giant ego is to not show that you made any mistakes. And what they don't know is that when you keep your ego in check or at least work and let go of that baggage,

and then you can easily calmly say, hey, I made this mistake. You actually have greater freedom as an individual. And what you're doing is you're promoting a society that is more healthy, right? So what they're doing actively is creating an unhealthy society because they themselves are unhealthy. No one's perfect.

I'm not perfect. I'm not saying I am. But the more that you can work to just kind of your insides, match your outsides, you're living a principled life as much as possible, you end up creating a better society and you end up creating a system where we actually hold people accountable and we prevent horrible allegedly sexual perpetrators like Eric Swalwell from gaining power. Yeah, I mean, as you said earlier, though, it is that kind of person that's attracted to these things. And so there needs to be some sort of rather than protections from the consequences,

the consequences need to be brought to bear always. So we live in a very strange time, don't we? I mean, it's so, when did you graduate from medical school? I told my, it's a very strange time. I told my mother this morning. I'm in my childhood home right now. And I told her this morning, I was like, you know, life is like a soap opera right now. Like, because we were talking about swallow.

I was like, this is like a soap opera. Like, and it's just the soap, since 2020, I feel like, I mean, even before, but since 2020, especially, the soap opera has just been continuing, which is, I think maybe a sign that we're hopefully like we have the ability now to be able to hold these things and be able to see them as a society and to be able to the dark parts of our society that were covered to us we're seeing more and more so i'm hopeful about that that that that this new generation will be more open i hope i hope what was your question sorry well at the level of fraud and abuse and misappropriation and your money and others being used for for objectives that are just completely contrary to our interest. I don't know. I've been reading a lot since you mentioned,

I'm blanking the psychiatrist name that you brought up who Brought Easy, Mark Changi Hizzi? He's a social scientist. I don't think he's a psychiatrist. He's a cognitive psychologist. He's a cognitive psychologist.

He's a cognitive psychologist. And he was a physicist. He was a physicist. But I was actually thinking of, oh yeah, he's a, He's really bright. But I was actually thinking of the doctor, the psychiatrist from, where he's from now, they coined the term mass formation, mass formation.

Matisse is it pertains to totality. Desmond, Matias. And, you know, his thing was, you know, 20% of people become true believers, 10% raise their hand to go, what's going on here? And 70% just keep their head down. It's exactly what you described in the Iranian Revolution. That was the exact phenomenon. And it's fundamentally and hysteria. But I think it's really important right now to begin to look carefully at the true believers, so-called.

The true believer is a book out there called The True Believers. I recommend it to you highly. And he really, just from a purely objective observational point of view of these movements through history, looks at the true believer, the manifestations where they come from, who's at risk for it, how they act, how they play out, how they get subdivided, and what needs to be done about them. Because, you know, a true believer is, you know, of course, they can do a lot of positive things, too, right? You can be a believer in some sort of, you know, spiritual, religious, whatever thing.

But you have to be careful. They need to be contained. Even they, as we won't know well, can, you know, spiral out of control. But when it comes to social movements, potential to do harm is awful. And the elites take advantage of it. And so it ends up being a top down and a bottom up movement. And the true believers bring the bottom up. And I just say this over and over again on this show.

If you were someone that was yelling at somebody to wear a mask or reporting neighbors who had a barbecue outside during COVID or were yelling at people about taking a vaccine because they were going to infect you or your children, which we now know, of course, the vaccines do not impact transmission. they just don't, you would be a prison guard in 1940. That would be you. And you're in 1935. You need to know that about yourself. You think, you imagine, I would have stood up to the Nazis. I wouldn't fall victim to those things. No, you're a true believer.

And true believers fall victims to all kinds of different winds that blow. And when you start harming other people or, you know, becoming, vigilante-like in your behavior. That's what that was. That's just what that was. And there was an extreme example of that. And you've got to know that about yourself. And if you were someone that kept your head down, know that about yourself too.

We need you in the part in the group that raises their hand. It goes, I don't think this is right. Be willing to do that next time. We need to maintain and protect free speech so people can do that. And we need to encourage courage, courageousness. We need to encourage courageousness. So that 70% feels empowered, to speak up.

So that 20% who can do untoward damage because again the elites will see that and start to take hold with them because they understand

the energy they have you cannot allow that to go unchecked. Imagine what Iran would have done maybe Iran would have maybe Iran

instead of waiting 47 decades 47 years before people realize hey there's other people that are like me I can speak up. I can go out into the streets.

I can protest this terroristic, dictatorial evil government. If people earlier on, instead of becoming quiet, had decided to go out again. And again and again, this regime might have, you know,

not become strengthened to the point where it is now a threat to the world globally with its aspirations. So I really hear you and I absolutely, applaud what you're saying. And I think what you said about, like, how I think that book might be good and just to have these conversations about how do we deal with those true believers? How do we interact with

them so that they get disempowered? And how do we, you know, engage with them or not engage with them or speak up, you know, in a way that that maybe can break them out of their fervor? Some of those people, based on how you, I imagine, how you engage with them. I've noticed it in my own interactions with people on Twitter, how you can kind of diffuse someone or calm them down or get them to become more adversarial to you. And so I think that's something for us to learn. I think to teach our children to become self-aware so that, you know, that they don't, they don't become one of those pawns, that they don't become lose themselves in the feeling of

the passion and the dopamine hits of following the leader and feeling inclusive. Oh, I'm one of them. I'm good. you know, and you're bad, you know, to teach them how to think for themselves and be insightful. I think that's what I try to do with my kids. I'm saying, I have no clue what the future is going to hold for you guys. I have no clue what's going to happen economically, socially politically. I don't.

But this is what I do know is you got to know yourself. You got to know your weaknesses. You got to know your strengths. You, you know, one of you may have a tendency to be too independent. One of you may have a tendency. And that's a great thing because it can get you, you know, can get you to be a leader and get things that you want. want, but then this one, you know, maybe you're a little bit of a follower tendency. You've got to watch out for that.

And for parents that teach their children that stuff about themselves so that our children at least try to don't become in that population of the true believer. Yeah. They'd be able to think for yourself, think carefully, think update your priors, think probabilistic. I, you know, scientific training, you know, or mathematical training, anything in those, those disciplines, that you have to do that. in order to survive the training in those disciplines. And so I think it's an important thing to emphasize that if people are interested.

I'm also reading Jonathan Turley's book, Rage in the Republic, which is a nice handmaiden to the true believer. And I'm going to be interviewing him, I think, in a couple of weeks. I don't know. We'll put the lists up shortly. But it's a really interesting book. Yeah, it's a really interesting book. I've been obsessing. When COVID started, I found myself getting very obsessed about the French Revolution because it was so clear to me that was another hysteria.

That was maybe the first big hysteria. And I wasn't wrong. These are important tales to pay attention to and to learn from because much as I thought we ended all this in the mid-20th century, we will do this again. It seems to me we just did it and we're kind of doing it again a little now. So, gosh, I don't know. I'm very concerned about things and I hope we can find their way out. But it's, you know, things that I did not expect to be talking about at this point in my career, things like courage and freedom and these things that I thought was, you know,

the domain of movies that, you know, like Braveheart and things like that and things like that. I did not expect to be advocating for these things. But lo and behold, there are things that have to be stated. Yeah, but our brains, again, our brains are very similar to our brain. are very similar to the brain heart brains. Our societies, even though we think we're so advanced, so we're still so similar to those societies. And so these themes are going to come up over and over again

for the next hundreds of years, thousands of years, unless we can achieve some Star Trek ideal where we can catch these people early on. But I don't know. I think a couple of 200 years and not realistic. We have to get very realistic about who we are and how we operate and how we need to be managed. But I don't know. I think one of the great promises is our Constitution.

I really do. I think it's such a genius document. And so many people have died defending it. We should not take this lightly. And people that are attacking it, I just think it's a big, giant mistake, first of all. And secondly, it needs to be done. thoughtfully if there's some problem with a document that has been so successful. And generally, it is just true that the more distributed government is, power is, the more

closer it is to the people it actually serves, the better can do his job. And it's the same with medicine. The more centralized it is, the shittier it is. The more impersonal it is. Medicine is exactly the same thing. There's nothing more powerful than a well-trained physician and a motivation. intelligent patient, informed patient,

that's your unit. You put anything on top of that? It's inefficient. It's less humane. It's more likely to cause problems. It's, and it gets worse and worse as you put other layers on top of that.

Yeah, absolutely. It's the same, seems to me. Absolutely. Yeah. So, and that's one of the things I'm working on with this SB 1377, that's going to work with

trying to improve the medical exemption process to give power in the hands of the doctors as opposed to the Department of Public Health. So I hope your listeners get involved with that or find out more about it. There's some great groups like informed policy advocates and perk who are working on that. And so they can get involved. I would like you also to go generally at trying to figure out a way. Here's my, as I say goodbye to you, because I've got to wrap things up, I have to go to this other program.

But my gauntlet that I'm throwing down for you, I would like you to figure out a way. to contain public health. You have a master's in public health. To me, it's shocking that clinicians ran after that degree, but I saw it happen in your generation particularly. But now you've got it. I want you to use it for good, because it seems to be getting used for not such good thing.

But what I'd love to see is something that holds public health to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, that they do not. I would say as a principle under any circumstance, maybe with some, I don't know, some sort of provision where there's an exception of that. But they are not in a position to eliminate people's God-given rights and privileges, that they just cannot do that. That is, they do not know what is in the best interest of the individuals. and they've made horrible decisions. They've shown themselves to be absolutely incapable of,

it's just too big a responsibility. And we saw Francis Collins out there saying publicly, well, we didn't give anything, any thought to what the risk of what we were doing. Yeah, I know. When he said that, it was the most unbelievable statement I've ever heard of anybody with MD after their name say, everything we do has to be risk reward. And if public health is not able to keep that diathesis in mind, they need to be retailed dramatically in terms of the power we give them.

And they should certainly not be given the right. You throw away our basic rights in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. That's all. I'm just saying they should not have that power. And they shouldn't have it. You know, Francis Collins, like if you look at him, if you see him in his interviews and stuff, he's a nice guy. He's a nice religious guy. Like if we're talking about, I mean, I don't know about Francis Collins' personal life,

but the energy that I get from him versus like the swallow. Well meaning. Yeah, very well meaning. And that's the lesson here that the most well-intentioned, well-meaning, religious, sweet, nice guy can do really bad things for society. And so that's why we also need to preserve the Constitution and uphold it because the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And we don't want to let go of our privacy, our free speech, our due process for physicians, medical freedom, all of that. Mark Chankese is also famous in my mind for having said repeatedly, social ill, social evil is always done in the name of good. Always.

Oh, yeah. I'm doing the good. I'm doing God's work. Absolutely. I'm doing good. I'm doing good. That's exactly, exactly who needs to be clamped down upon because when they're a true believer that they're doing only good or only God's work, potentially. for harm is limitless.

Dr. Katibi, thank you for joining me again. I appreciate having you. Thank you for sticking around. And good luck tomorrow in Sacramento. Thank you so much, Dr. Drew. Always a pleasure. And thank you for this wonderful show that you guys put on.

I really appreciate it. The voice of sanity. Thank you. Appreciate your being here. All right. Let me quickly look at you guys. I could not get my restream up the way I wanted to. I'm sorry.

I see you wanting to cancel poor Katie Perry. And let's see what else. you're saying, you're going after Jesuits and things there. So I don't know what all that's about. Benjamin Rush. She got you to say it.

Benjamin Rush wanted medical... Benjamin Rush wanted medical protections. We never got them. Now the NIH runs intramural research. I don't know what your point is there. Benjamin Rush got a lot of things wrong. He bloodlet George Washington until he died. He's essentially responsible for George Washington's death.

He was, however, the first doctor to publicly talk about alcoholism as a disease and to set up these sort of sober houses. All right, here's what's coming up, Ryan Cole. I think that's tomorrow. Aaron Siri coming back. Sonia Elii, Alighi, Nick Freitas, Dell Big Tree, Salty Cracker. We've got a lot of interesting guests.

Oh, Winton Hall coming in. A lot of guests coming up. And it's still more on deck. Poor Emily Barsh. I keep tossing her ideas and she delivers on every single one. So she's got a big list of things that she wants to share with you guys. So we will get to that. And I appreciate you joining us here today.

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