Ask Dr. Drew - Targeted: Political Violence Began Long Before Charlie Kirk’s Assassination – Leftist Influencers Like Hasan Piker Are Making It Worse w/ Dave Rubin & Jack Posobiec – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 537

Episode Date: September 28, 2025

“We are now experiencing the largest wave of leftist violence since 2020,” writes Jack Posobiec. “It’s targeted killings. And it’s going to get worse.” After the assassination of Charlie Kirk, conservative influencers raised alarm about the dangers they face for exercising their free speech. But while extremist groups like Antifa create chaos on the ground, even popular influencers on the Left are using violent rhetoric: Hasan Piker (HasanAbi), who has over 3m followers on Twitch, told his audience to “Let the streets soak in their f**king red capitalist blood.” Dave Rubin is host of The Rubin Report on Rumble and founder of Locals.com. He is on the “Don’t Burn This World” tour and is author of “Don’t Burn This Country” and “Don’t Burn This Book.” Follow at https://x.com/rubinreport Jack Posobiec is Senior Editor at Human Events and host of the Human Events Daily podcast. He is a U.S. Navy veteran and frequent political commentator. Follow at https://x.com/JackPosobiec Following his sold-out run alongside tour with Jordan Peterson, Dave Rubin, Host of The Rubin Report, will be returning to Australia this October for three exclusive, can’t-miss shows in Melbourne, Sydney, and Brisbane. Tickets are available now at https://daverubin.com/events • Melbourne – October 18 with Peta Credlin • Sydney – October 21 with former Prime Minister John Anderson • Brisbane – October 27 with British Journalist Andrew Neil 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Two guests today that need no introduction. Dave Rubin is here with me to start the show off. And then Jack Posabic, let me give you places where you can find everybody. Dave Ruben, Ruben Report on X, Dave Ruben.com forward slash events for his don't burn this world tour dates in Australia, where he's off very shortly. Rumble, Ruben Report, Ruben Report.com, Dave Ruben.tvon. TV. And then Posobic is X, Jack Posobic, P-O-B-I-E-C, and Human Events.com. there is the that is the upcoming tour i said melbourne melbourne on there sydney brisbon boy you're going to be busy dave we'll talk to him just right after this our laws as it pertain to substances

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or use code Dr. Drew at checkout for that 15% off or just go to our website, Dr. Drew.com slash fatty 15. Let's go right to Dave Rubin who squeezed us in here during his preparation to leave for Australia. Dave, welcome. He and I did to actual friends this morning, which airs when and where? It actually airs on YouTube and Rumble and all those good places, usually on Fridays, but when we have Dr. Dr. Dr.

on, we might put it up same day because you say so many cutting-edge things that must get out immediately. I leave it to the people behind the scenes. I suspect, I noticed the way you were reacting to some of the stuff I was saying, and I bet you have some questions about what I was talking about,

particularly the Tylenol and that kind of thing. But before we do, I also told you that we now have a YouTube breach So our international reach is better because YouTube has decided to play fair, essentially. So talk about the Australian trip. Talk about what's coming up. Yeah, well, I'm really excited. You know, like you, I travel all over the place.

I've been to lots of different countries and I talk to people all over the world. And for Don't Burn This Country, my book right there, my second book, we were supposed to be on tour for the first book in Australia. That got canceled because of COVID. And then we decided not to do an international tour for the second book. But then once a year I'm trying to do one big trip. And I thought, you know, there was so many strange things emanating out of Australia, particularly during COVID. And then even in the last year or two, as it's pertained to some of these post-October

7th Hamas rallies and all this stuff, I thought, I really want to go there. I feel a real affinity to the people of Australia. They have the American spirit. They want to fight the power. They're fun. They're lively. Obviously, there's a million other reasons geographic. and the beaches and all that other cool stuff about Australia,

the giant bugs and the kangaroos. But we're going to go and do what I always do, which is have fun with the audience. If you disagree with me in the spirit of Charlie Kirk, you can come up and ask the questions first, and we'll do some live shows and see what happens. It's a long flight, though. I'm going to have to read some Dr. Drewbooks on the way.

I've done it. I recommend the 787 from Boeing for that flight because it's just faster and it's so smooth. but yeah there's a website called Australia wants to kill you that I love that shows all the animals and buns that are coming out Australia. It's fantastic

so be careful number one. Drew you know the koalas they have gonorrhea I think right chlamydia chlamydia oh maybe I met maybe that wasn't a I'm thinking of something else scratch that from the record but something else

certainly something else in Australia has gonorrhea but the quala have the chlamydia But yeah, you don't want either of those illnesses, trust me. But the other thing was I was thinking about, I believe the last time you were in Australia was with Jordan Peterson, was it not? Yeah, it was actually the last leg of the tour that we did together. It was about 120 stops, 20 countries, and the last day, our last day together,

it was our only matinee show of the entire tour, and it was at the Sydney Opera House on an absolutely beautiful day. I'm sure you've been there. And we didn't even have security at the time. This is back in 2018. It's hard to believe. But Jordan and I and the tour manager took a walk down that beautiful boardwalk on a gorgeous day. And we had all these people coming up and saying hi.

And then to be in that theater, the Sydney Opera House, which is one of the most exquisite buildings I've ever been part of. And I didn't realize until we did the run through before the show that it's a theater in the round, which as a performer is just the greatest thing ever to have people on every which side of you. And when you're getting laughs, you can feel it. I mean, you could really feel like you're enveloped and surrounded by it. So it was wonderful. I'm psyched.

I'm psyched to head back. I appreciate that. So you're back in that same room when you go to Sydney? So we're not going to be at the opera house this time, unless we can pull off something very last minute. Let's see if I'll get my guys cracking on that. My son actually was music director. He became a lawyer later, but when he was a music director for a musical that toured and was in the opera house, it was like one of his sentinel moments. see, it was just an amazing place.

So, yeah, I always love Sydney. It was one of the great surprises for me. How lovely a city it is, how great the Australians are there. And so enjoy. I hope people go, and there'll be a lot to do. And it seems like it's in the manner of Charlie Kirk in the sense you want to just engage in discourse with people. That's it. You know, Charlie and I used to tour together also.

I toured with Jordan. But before that, I was touring with Charlie doing a lot of these college events. When it was sort of at its nascent thing, you know, before we even called it woke, you know, when it was just a little bit about identity politics or kind of it was bubbling into the mainstream that there was something weird happening on college campuses. Charlie and I met at a David Horowitz Freedom Center event in West Palm. I was on the left at the time. He was on the right. We kind of hit it off in five minutes. And he said, hey, you know, I'm going to go on this tour. How about you're the lib? I'm the conservative. Let's talk it out. And we did dozens and dozens of those

events. And, you know, even though we were protested often and there were, you know, fire alarms pulled and bomb threats and people threw things out of and all that stuff, it obviously never got to the literally insane point that we got to about 10 days ago. But Charlie really, I would, the best thing that I can say about Charlie, the political pundit, I can say a lot of good things about Charlie the man. He was a good, decent man. And Drew, as you know, when you meet someone in this biz who's the same off camera as they are on on camera, that's to me the mark of somebody. because then you really know who they are. But the best thing that I can say about Charlie as the political beast is that Charlie

brought me a lot closer to his positions over the years than I brought him to mine. I do think I moved him on a few things, but he really did help my political evolution. I fully credit it for him. I fully credit him for that, and I miss him dearly. And then Larry Elder pulled you across the goal line. Exactly. Charlie kind of softened me up, and then I had one instance with Larry Elder about systemic racism, and he just dragged me.

And here we are. Now I'm a right-wing maniac like you, my friend. So what can I tell you? Yeah, I know. I'm not. And so it's such a crazy thing. You know, this whole notion of fascists. I'm worried, you know, I think you're aware I listened to a lot of French radio.

And I would listen to a long conversations from journalists today. And they were saying, you know, where this idea of if you're not with me, you're a fascist, was invented. It was literally invented by Stalin. That was his strategy. That was his invention. And again, in Russia, they had almost a paranoid preoccupation with fascist because the Germans had destroyed so many millions of Russians. But he just called anyone that didn't agree with him fascist.

And it seems like we've entered that phase again. Oh, yeah. And look, it's not surprising that we're at this spot. That's the thing. Look, the morning that Charlie was assassinated when at first, you know, we had about an hour window where we heard he was shot. We didn't know he was dead. I felt I was shocked but not surprised. I was shocked that my friend was shot and I was certainly shocked at the visuals of it because they were unbelievably jarring and they'll never leave my brain and they'll never leave the brain of millions of

people across the world. But I wasn't surprised because the rhetoric has been ramped up to this point. As you said when we were chatting this morning, you know, at some point, if you believe that everyone around you is a Nazi and a racist and a fascist and all those things, at some point it's almost incumbent upon you to do something. Now, that's a horrific, that's a horrific calculus that they've put in the minds of a lot of young people. And, you know, a lot of us have tried to disassemble those bad ideas. The irony of going after Charlie, though, was that there was no one, and I literally mean this, there was no one in American discourse that was reaching out to the other side more than Charlie. So, so even if you didn't like Charlie's ideas, let's say you were as far left

as you could get. And you don't like Charlie's conservative beliefs. He at least was still trying to talk to you. There are plenty of people on the right that were making no effort to talk to you whatsoever. And in some sense, that really was the thing that they feared most with Charlie, because Charlie, he would talk to these guys and then he would disassemble the bad ideas calmly with great strategy and with thoughtfulness and kindness also. It's pretty rare that Charlie ever got into a real drag-out, knock-down fight with anybody. And that becomes a problem for the people that live in perpetual hysteria, if you have someone calmly disassembling them,

that's a bigger problem than just the fight. The fight will go viral no matter what. But if someone really can take your ideas out and expose them for wherever they should be exposed, that's a threat. And I think people understood that about Charlie. Yeah, I said this morning. that if I believe that some terrorist force or fascist force had taken over our government and was stealing our democracy and Governor Newsom had alerted me to this fact, I'd be in my car

driving to Sacramento right now and say, well do we, let's go, let's get something together here. Who's in the army can help us? Because let's get a militia together. We have to do something. We have to do this. And it would be, it would be in some sense, your duty as a human to do it if you really believe that truth. As a patriot, as an American. And that is the sick, twisted reality that these people have put us in. Look, even in the last 48 hours, Gavin Newsom was on Colbert saying that Donald Trump's going to cancel the election. Kamala Harris was on the view talking about how Donald Trump is a fascist. So 10 days after the murder of our friend, they are still doing the exact same thing. And look, there's an opportunity

obviously now, Drew, to bring new people into the fold here. This very strange fold that now includes guys like me and you on the more conservative side. It doesn't really make sense in some way, other than we really love America and love freedom and freedom of speech. But the challenge will be, we can't let everybody come here all at once. And what I mean by that is you may have seen about, it was the day after Charlie died. I did not want to do any media,

but you know, you get called into these things. And to honor Charlie, I thought I'll do a few. I went on, I went on Pierce Morgan. And I was on with this guy, Jank Yugar, who I used to work for for the Young Turks, far lefty and he starts talking about he wants peace and we should all lower the rhetoric. And I said, look, that's nice to hear, but do you, what do you have to say about these 10 YouTube titles that you have about Donald Trump calling him fascist in Hitler? And then I said, what do you think

about these other 10 where you're calling Charlie Kirk all the worst things? And he started screaming and saying, I'm trying to get him killed and I'm a monster. All I was doing was reading his titles back to him. I mentioned that because we all want to extend the hand. I believe in forgiveness. I believe we've all made mistakes. I include myself on that. I'm certainly not perfect. But we can't welcome everybody aboard unless they're going to acknowledge that they've been part of the toxicity that we are trying to extricate ourselves from. That's going to be the challenge here for us, I think, because obviously a lot of people are going to want to pretend they had nothing to do with this when there's a lot of blame right at their doorstep.

Tim Walts is out saying that he wants to, you know, what do you call it, and tone down the rhetoric or something and sure good tim let's let's do that but but part of the problem we talked about this this morning on actual friends was is the asymmetry this something that scott adams pointed out this morning the asymmetry in the rhetoric so trump is boorish and insulting and says you know tomla harris is a dumbo uh that's essentially what he said that's not good it's not rhetorically you know it's not fun to be insulted elegant on the other side yeah elegant on the other side you've got Caleb you put up some stuff there from a guy off was a Twitch I don't know who look at this rhetoric it's just but this is the other side

not just a guy on Twitch this is one of probably one of the top left wing influencers he has over three million followers on Twitch and I'm going to pull up some of the things that were quotes that of what he has said in the past and actually recent past some of this stuff is like yeah just kill him. Kill those mother effers and murder them in the streets. Let the streets soak in their effing red capitalist blood dude. He said about property owners who didn't want to rent out homes. He says, you know, stuff like if you cared about Medicaid, you would kill Rick Scott. Like he outright says this stuff and doesn't get banned on his pages. And yet one of the things that I went and looked up, but Drew, you can discuss that. But I also went and searched for the three

most offensive things that Charlie Kirk ever said, did a deep dive. And I'll show you that in just a second. Okay. But this is the problem. This asymmetry. One is actually calling for bloodshed, and the other is insulting and boorish. How do we get people to understand this asymmetry? There's Charlie's nasty. He's also not calling for violence. I was ever able to find on him through multiple, multiple years. But this is the word. None of it calling for violence. If you're brainwashed into believing that words are violence and you're threatening my existence, Then, logically, violence is appropriate. Well, first, let me just address this Twitch guy, this Hassan Piker guy, because I did work with him a little bit.

He's actually, Janku, I just mentioned from the Young Turks. He's his nephew. Hassan is the nephew. I did work with him for a little bit. I mean, this is, I'll just leave it at this. This is not a particularly good person. I will let his words stand on their own. I would ask the people over at Twitch or some of these platforms, is that what your terms of service allows?

This is not a First Amendment issue. I would like to know what the platforms allow. I'm completely fine with all of the platforms. What does the FBI allow? Well, so no, of course. So there is a First Amendment issue here, right? If you're directly calling for the violence of people, that is one thing. But I'm even going out of my way to, okay, we could put that aside for the moment,

assuming the government's not going to come for this guy. The platforms all have a terms of service. A college when you go to, you have a code of conduct. Those are things that are outside of the First Amendment. And I would say to those, look, I get it. he's making them a lot of money. As I understand, he makes personally around 200 grand a month on Twitch. So I get it.

That means they're making an awful lot of money on him. But at some point, at some point, the rubber meets the road. Like, you know, they have to decide what they're willing to put out there. As it pertains to your point about, you know, if you think your life is under attack, you might do some crazy things. I mean, look, this kid Tyler Robinson, who apparently, you know, came from a fairly nominal normal household to parents. It sounds like they were roughly conservative, but really got radicalized at college.

Then I guess fell in love with. with the roommate who was transitioning or something to that effect. We'll find out more. If he thought, I mean, you have to really try to extrapolate what they were trying to do there. So he thought by killing Charlie Kirk, so he had whatever Charlie Kirk's ideas were that he was confused about, he thought by killing Charlie Kirk that it would lead to a better life for him and his boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever he wanted to call himself, okay? but what in essence he did was kill he killed a human being so charlie kirk's children will no longer

of a father and her his wife will no longer have a husband he did that he in essence ended his own life because he's either going to be put to death probably not now in light of what erika kirk said about forgiveness but probably spend the rest of his life in jail and in essence he's also ended the life of the trans roommate whose life will now be defined by this moment so so even for someone who is on the journey that you talked about, like, my God, I must do something about this irreversible evil, well, look what the fruits of what you've done are. You've, three lives at least are destroyed. It's actually way more than that when you start thinking about family members and children and all those other things. Yes, yes. And the rights, the purported rights that you care

about are not strengthened in any way. It's not, you know, whatever you thought, whatever ideological or political issue you thought you were stopping by killing Charlie, you've done nothing, if anything, you've actually done the reverse. You've strengthened it. Yeah, this is, when I really start to think about, I get just very sad about this whole situation. And I don't know, again, referencing Scott Adams, again, he always talks about two movies on one screen. But I think I told you this morning, I was listening to some French radio and there was the day

after the Kirk event in Phoenix, and you told, you and Sage told me how breathtaking it was and a beautiful it was. Incredible. And I thought, well, I just listened to a bunch of French journalists say this was absolutely a, this was a Hitler stage, fascist, you know, and then people started, and the word Christian nationalist all of a sudden was on everyone lips.

I've never heard of that before. I don't know even what that is. Suddenly that's something. They're making shit up as they go. Well, you know, Drew, at some point, Every kid has heard the boy who cried wolf. And, you know, I was at the Donald Trump MSG rally. I actually was there with Sage also, and we sat next to each other.

So I'm there I am sitting with a woman who happens to be black. Nobody cares. But I'm sitting with a black woman being told him at a Nazi rally. There's an awful lot of Jews wearing yarmacas. As a matter of fact, during the rally, I took a picture that went viral because I saw a Jewish man with a yarmaca and right behind him, I kid you not. You could not have made this up. It sounds like it's from naked gun.

There was a woman in a burqa at the Trump Nazi rally. That's how profoundly, yeah, that's how profoundly insane all this is. But the point is, we've been through this before. And at some point, at some point, those of us that are watching this movie that Scott Adams is referencing, have to see what the script is. And the script is, it doesn't matter what you say they're going to call you these things. So you go to the Trump rally, they call it the biggest Nazi rally ever, even though it was the most joyful celebration of Americana that I could possibly imagine.

And then I go to this memorial, which was, I've never been part of anything. A hundred thousand people in the most moving, lovely. I mean, everybody, you could feel it, Drew, I've never been part of something like this. Everybody was a blink away from tears from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. It was just incredible. And that's a Nazi rally too. So at some point, you just have to say, okay, look, we can't, we don't use violence. So we can't stop these people from saying what they're.

want to say and they should be able to say it but we at least we either have to ignore them or figure out other ways to convince people that that we are right which in this case we really right let's get larry elders out there he seemed to work on you but but there's uh but you know this whole phenomenon uh is is it it's eating itself in that you know the all these news outlets that are taking these positions people just want look at that and go oh boy okay where where were you, Adam Crowell has one question, all these people. Where were you during COVID? How'd you get that so wrong? He just starts there. Then he goes, how'd you get the Steele dossier so wrong? How'd you get the laptop so wrong? How'd you get, you know, just, you can just go right

down the line. Oh, oh, Mr. Journalistic integrity, only speaking the truth, how did you get everything so damn wrong? And I had a cuss word on my lips day, but I want you to know after Sage's advice this morning, I did not say it. Well, I'll give you one that just shows you the audacity of the people that lie about everything. Two days before the last election, Barack Obama went and gave a stump speech and he said that Donald Trump said very fine people on both sides at the Charlottesville rally. It's the biggest political hoax of our lifetime that somehow Donald Trump was saying there's good people and bad people on both sides of white supremacy. No, he was talking about whether statues of people like Robert Lee should be up.

And there obviously is a debate about that. Whether you should keep statues up, maybe you should move them into a museum. Of course you could have a debate about that. The very next sentence out of his mouth after he said very fine people on both sides, everyone knows this already, was I'm not talking about the white supremacists or the neo-Nazis who should be condemned completely. Barack Obama, though, went on stage and repeated that lie. So the question when we talk about these two movies that people are watching is what is it that someone like Barack Obama is thinking? Is he think, is he, what's the best version? The least cynical version is that Barack Obama has no idea what he's talking about, right? That he just is completely duped

by the hoax. Now, that just does not. Right. I can't, do you think there's any chance of that at this point? Low, very low. Okay, fine, five, all right, 10%. Because I've had people look, I've had people, I've had people listed to the tape and go, see, he's just, there it is. And I was like, we just watch the same tape.

How can you say that? Okay, fine. So there's this, okay, so let's see. Yeah, so very low, very low. So then what is the other version of it? The other version of it, well, then I guess there's two other versions. So there's one that he's just lying, right? There's one that he doesn't know what he's talking about,

or there's the one that it really is, which is actually something that Hitler did say, which in effect is the bigger the lie, the faster it travels, and you can convince an awful lot of people. I'm loosely quoting Hitler on that. But he knew that he could go up there, say something that was completely dishonest, and still convince people.

And fortunately, it clearly didn't convince enough people because we got Trump and not Kamala, so here we are. But that sort of, lying and that sort of two movie. That's the two movie thing right there. And how much can they get away with in that script? I don't know. It's decaying. It's certainly decaying. And there's a shrinking business model for that stuff. That's what I see. And the marketplace generally takes care of things and it'll be interesting to see if it really does here. Jimmy Kimmel will be a test case. He's back on the air and we'll see if he can get a business going there where he's able to

meat is a nut, you know, how much he spends every month producing that show. That poor man might have to take a cut on the 16 mill a year he gets to tell half of us that we're racist. Oh my God, he might eventually lose his show and have to open up a YouTube or Rumble account like the rest of us. I love they go on, Eric Swalwell, these clowns, they get up there saying this is an assault on the first amendment. It has nothing to do with the first amendment. No one has a right to a TV show. If they did, I would be on network television. I don't want to be on network television. I'm very happy where I am. But it's profoundly absurd.

Now, had Donald Trump called the head of Disney and said, fire this guy for the joke, that would be a problem. Of course, the irony is that we know that the Biden administration was calling big tech and silencing people during COVID. And they had no problem when they were silencing millions of us. These people never get a mirror. But I suspect that Jimmy Kimmel will be okay one way. Whatever his monthly nut is at 60 million years, he's at the show for 24 years,

that'll be all right. Yeah, no, he will be. But the show, I just don't think there's a model for late night anymore. I just don't think that the way they produce it, you know, the numbers of, you know, there's just a whole model just doesn't work. But isn't that unfortunate? Viewers. Isn't that unfortunate in some sense?

Well, meaning that there isn't, we don't have many water cooler things anymore, right? There aren't many things that bring us together. And even binge watching has ruined that. You know, 20-something years ago. when The Sopranos was the number one show. Everyone tuned into it on Sunday nights and then you talked about it with people throughout the week. Now you can binge

the entire series and then we don't ultimately what it does is it just gives us less and less culturally that we can all talk about. So I don't think it's not that the late night show with the corny monologue and the kind of hacking musicians or whatever. It's not that that's so important but what

would or potentially could be important to America is if we could reincarnate Johnny Carson and there was a that at night largely was liked by most people and was somewhat apolitical and had a nice way of trying to bring us together before you went to bed. Yes, I get it. The internet's different. We're all going to do different things. It won't be the 50 million people watching it the way it was back then. But there would be something healing if we could have that. We just may not have the conditions for it anymore. Right. I completely agree with you on both fronts that it would be nice.

but I saw Rob Reiner talking to Bill Maher at Club Random about this. And Rob was like, you know, 35 million people every Wednesday would tune in it all in the family and that we would talk about it the next day. But this whole thing of, I don't know, let's think about it. Maybe you and I can have an effect on it because we, you know, these streaming shows are about gathering together and sort of doing stuff. Maybe there are ways to sort of, I don't know, think about it. I'll give it some thought.

But listen, you've been very kind with your time. Any last minute, what, what? Oh, I just real quick, because I did watch Marr with Rob Reiner. interesting because Rob Reiner, look, all the families a little bit before my time, a little bit, but I watched it over the years. And when he talked about that there were, you know, I think he said something like 200 million Americans and about 40 million tuned in weekly, think of the amount of sort of mental, not control, but mental occupancy that that took up in the mind of Americans, right? So that is something that's valuable. But I will say this, over the years, when

you're a kid and you watch that show, Meathead is the good guy. As I've gotten older, Archie's looking pretty good these days. I, you know, Adam brought that up like five years ago. He was like, he's, our Meathead is staying there for free. Archie is the one that goes to work every day. He was unemployed and had to lean on a friend to get the work. I mean, and he's putting foot in the bill for the couple living upstairs. But they're complaining about everything because they know how the world should work.

That's right. That's right. Really interesting. Dave, any last questions left over from this morning? I think I'm picking brain enough and certainly use your time enough. Well, no, you always, all the gaps that I have when it comes to science and medicine and all these things, you always fill those things nicely. And, you know, we talk quite a bit about the Tylenol situation as it pertains to pregnant women.

And, you know, just to see some of the pushback on this and to watch these videos of pregnant women taking Tylenol just to throw it in the face. It's just like there's so many weird things going on. And all we can do is just hope that calmer heads prevail and common sense makes a comeback. Your mouth to God's ears. Have a great trip on Australia. Can we watch it anywhere or anything? Can we kind of, any part of it we can see? I think one of my guys is going to bring a phone and they've got it.

They have internet there. Yeah, I'm told they have internet and we're going to see what we can do. All right. Thank you. See you soon, Dave. Travel safe. Good to see you, Doc. You as well.

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I could get. I've just been here ever since. And pretty much going nonstop since that day took place. We had the huge incredible service on Sunday that speak there. And, you know, people keep asking that question, you know, and it's, I guess, I don't know, maybe, maybe you would know better. It's, it's one of those things where, you know, you have work, you have your normal routine, but everything just seems kind of off and everything seems kind of tainted or stained or marked in a different way and a way that, you know, I don't know if that's ever going to change. Just it's to use the cliche, I suppose it's just the new normal that you have to get used to. Well, I would say there's two things probably going on. One is that that you're still trying to process what this means.

it's different you're in a different world now but the other thing is grief grief lingers around and percolates and comes in waves and has very strange effects on people always the advice is don't don't neglect it pay attention when you feel the grief lean into it because it it will get you if you don't get it and use it to make you know most people find meaning making is the best way to deal with it so i i'm you know it's you there at turning point i'm guessing this is you making meaning of your grief? Well, there's no question. I mean, if I were sitting at home and, you know, staring at the walls or trying to think

about what to do, you know, I think I'd be having a much rougher go of it than being here, being in the place that Charlie built with, you know, with so much support and his entire life's work was building Turning Point USA. And being able to, again, you know, we have to. had this huge event on Sunday, very, you know, just huge outpouring. I don't even know all the names of the people who came and the dignitaries and just the regular folks that waited for, you know, slept out to come into it. And we're doing what we can. And I guess in a way, the thought that I keep coming back to is as nice as all of this is it still doesn't

make it right and oh boy that's for sure it does make it it can be you can make it better you can you can better your lot um but there's still you know and people kept asking somebody asked me recently they said what was it like to speak in front of that many people and talking about you know there's so many people at the event and spillover and however many people covered online and I thought you know I didn't feel good about any second of it I didn't enjoy any second of that because I didn't want to be there. And I want any of us to have to be there. We shouldn't have been there.

And so, you know, if you want to hold an event like that, you'd hope that you could do so from a place of, you know, success and achievement and love and not have to do it because we're forced to be there. So, you know, I thought about my family. I thought about, you know, Erica and Charlie's family. my family was there in the front row as well and Erica was there and that's you know not like this I would say is the

preeminent thought in my mind has it changed your strategy in terms of how we get people out of their insanity where they're looking at the event that you were at and start calling it a Christian nationalist takeover or a fascist event which is just

laughably bizarre It's so bizarre. I mean, it's a Christian memorial for a Christian who died. I mean, it's really, you know, it's really as simple as that. That's who Charlie was. That's who his family is. That's what he stood for. And so, you know, these are very common Christian motifs and symbols and themes that are always, always prevalent whenever any Christian dies as far as I'm aware. And yes, there was the political as well because Charlie was a political person. And he was killed over politics. There's no question. I would say if there's anything that changes, I think we have to have a real conversation. And you know that I've been talking about the rise of Marxism in this country, specifically violent Marxism, which is always the sharpest edge of Marxism. And that's exactly what we're encountering now. And this idea that, you know, we can sit down and talk through our differences is really called into question now and really called in a question with, you know, not everybody, but I think there's a certain sliver of people

that I've been warning about for a long time that do not want the dialogue to happen. They want, you know, and it begins with shunning, right? It begins with shunning. And you and I've talked about this, it begins with shunning. Then it goes to censorship. Then it goes to arrests, lawfare, the power of the state, which was certainly attempted multiple times to shut down Turning Point USA. In fact, a huge FBI investigation that's now starting to become made in the public eye. But when all of that fails, what's left is the kinetic. What's left is the physical to physically take someone's right to life by killing them. And that's exactly what happened to Charlie. And so I don't think there are any words that you can use to de-radicalize someone like

that. I think you just have to throw them behind bars. Well, you put out a tweet. I think this was yesterday. If you don't mind, I'd like to read it. I think it's what you're talking about right now. It said, we are now experiencing the largest wave of leftist violence since 2020. It's not only Antifa and BLM riders. It's targeted killings and it's going to get worse. Is that your prediction? Yes. Yeah. So you see the anti, so we just got the, and by the way, at the time of writing that tweet, I hadn't even received an update. I'd received some information that it was an anti-ice motivation before they put the photo of the bullets out. And it's actually how they knew so quickly.

But we also just found out a few hours ago that, in fact, the shooter at that ice facility in Dallas, Texas had searches on his phone for the Charlie Kirk shooting. So this was a copycat. This was someone who was inspired by that act of violence. And we've seen how school shooters and copycats and surreal kill. have had copycats throughout the years, that this type of activity unfortunately breeds and it spreads like a disease, which I talked about in my speech on Sunday. I said, this is disease and it needs to be stamped out before it spreads. And it is continuing to spread and what do diseases do.

And as a good doctor yourself, you know, when diseases spread, they metastasize and they get worse. When I was listening to some European radio this morning, I told Dave Rubin this, that they were saying, saying that you know this calling everybody a fascist is a strategy that Stalin invented. He's the first to have done that. If you're not with me, if you don't agree with me, you're a fascist. How something so primitive and bizarre and sort of non-logical is taking place here is so hard to, I never would have predicted. Well, I think I can, I could say that you can predict it when people use real grievances. And this is what the communist always does.

The communist, the Marxist, the way that they gain purchase in any society or any country is by taking real grievances, actual aggrieved parties over typically economics, of course, is the classic. So you talk about in the past it would be land or property rights of the serfs and the peasants. Today, of course, it would be renter's rights and homeownership rates. But it's really the same thing. It's living condition. So it's really quite similar to what we saw 100 years ago.

Russia. It is the exact same case. And so people come to me and say, well, how could we have this, this, you know, communist running for mayor in New York City? And I say, because of living conditions. It's just because of living conditions. They do the same thing every single time. This is what they do. And then they take that real grievance and that real issue. And rather than say, okay, let's find a way to make things better for people, they turn around and they do this one. step further that you wouldn't see a conservative or sort of a normal politician do as to say rather than try to create regulations or try to find some way to alleviate the situation, they'll say we need to get rid of the people who have succeeded or who build things or like Charlie Kirk go out into the public square and are successful and are a young man, a young entrepreneur with a beautiful family, a wife, who I've been here with Erica, and she's just incredibly strong through all of this as the entire world has seen. But they look at someone like a Charlie Kirk or someone like a Donald Trump or, you know, take your pick. It's very, very bonfire of the vanities,

you know, Tom Wolfe kind of situation where that person must then be demonized. They must be scapegoated to be the blame of all of society, and they rouse the rabble to come up and follow them. This is the communist playbook. It has been the communist playbook for 100 years since Bolshevik Russia. You can go back to the French Revolution and find this as well. This is what they always do, because what they want is that nationwide revolution. And unfortunately, what we're starting and CNN asked me about this, just I think two days after Charlie had died. His body wasn't even buried yet. I don't even know if he had made it back to Arizona at this point, but they asked me, and we're sitting just over here in this building, and they said, are we in a civil war?

And I said, my friends in a box, and he didn't get there by accident. And we are facing asymmetric civil warfare. I hate the fact that I predicted this. I hate the fact that I don't want to be right about any of this. I don't, I don't want to be living through any of this. I told my wife, I said, this is what I would have wanted to do for a living, you know, and sit in front of cameras and talk about this stuff all the time. But how can you not? How can you not when you see what's going on in the world, when your friend gets taken out? And it's the exact symptoms of a corrupt corruption in our society. And unfortunately, we don't seem to be quite ready to face yet. We treat it as just, oh, that was just a bad egg. That was just a bad egg. And I

say, no, there are social pressures and social forces that are leading to this corruption. And unfortunately, they are exacerbating it. So when you look at the wave of violence that we've seen, the ABC shooting, the attempted bombing of a Fox News van, the shooting at the Catholic school in Minneapolis, the shooting of Charlie Kirk, this ice shooting yesterday. All of those in the last couple of weeks, we're living through bloody September right now. And unfortunately, it is going to escalate and it is going to get worse. Grocery shopping. Choching. Ordering food?

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the democracy, everything that he's saying, I would be in my car and away to Sacramento. Like, let's go. Let's get something together here. You know somebody in the army or can we get a militia going? What are you going to do? take it back. That's the level of the rhetoric right now. That if you're a patriot, how could you think otherwise if you believe what they're telling you? Well, and Bill Maher, Bill Maher last night, you know, on the show that just came out last night, said, we're not going to have elections anymore. He said, he said he doesn't believe that Donald Trump will allow there to be another

election that's not rigged. And basically it'll be the end of the elections, the end of democracy. And so the same type of rhetoric is still going. Look, the issue here, is that all of the pressure is only being applied in one direction. So the bullets are flying in one direction, the rhetoric is flying in one direction, the arrests that took place over all four years, the state power was only in one direction. People like Peter Navarro, people like Steve Bannon, were jailed. Donald Trump was almost assassinated twice. His assassin was a far-left guy, was just found guilty in all counts earlier this week.

He attempted to commit suicide in the courtroom while using a pen. just completely radicalized individual. And so I look at the GOP politicians in D.C. And they put out strongly worded tweets or they'll get up and beat their chest and say, why won't you guys just stop? You know, as if that's going to change the situation. And it's really not. If you're dealing with the hardened radical, the only thing, it's like my kids, right?

At some point, you know, at some point you got to put them on time out when they're acting out. You got to put them on time out. The gentle parenting has failed. It's failed, okay? We can't do the gentle parenting anymore. We've got to go back to the real parenting. What does that look like? How does that become a, you know, a strategy per se?

Sure. So it's, we call it the iron law of exact reciprocity. And so if, you know, if they jail our guys, then we've got to look at crimes that were committed by those individuals, James Comey being one of them, who hopefully will be indicted very soon here. I hear John Brennan is another one that's going to face indictment. That's fantastic because you can't have one side of the government demonizing the other, arresting the other, placing them in shackles, and then just getting away with it. If you just let them get away with it, again, like a child, then or just tell them that they were naughty,

but don't actually give them any repercussions, then they'll do it again because you're enabling the behavior over and over. They will do it to J.D. Vance. They will do it to whoever else it might be in the future. They would mark a Rubio, Pete Hegesat, doesn't matter. Tulsi Gabbard, they'll continue to do these actions. Then you take the organizations, whether it be George Soros, whether it be any of these far-left money groups that's paying the affinity groups of Antifa and others.

I like the designation as a terrorist organization. I would actually argue they should be designated as a foreign terrorist organization. Antifa has cells all over Europe. but it's actually a phenomenon that originated in Europe and continues in Western Europe to this day, Germany, France, England, Italy, and Spain, and clearly meets all of the characteristics of a foreign terrorist organization that operates in our soil and on theirs. And so if you do that, then it enables the State Department and the Treasury Department to be able to go after any funding sources or, by the way, anyone involved in a conspiracy with those people to break the law to enact riot. It's funny enough, believe it or not, I was talking to a lawyer about this, who's also a legal scholar, and they were telling me that the RICO law, as it stands, actually does not include as one of the predicate acts for RICO, because it was originally designed for the mafia. So one of the crimes that's not included in the RICO Act is rioting. Rieting is not included in the RICO Act.

I had no idea. So that's a clear legislative fix that can be passed by Congress tomorrow. so that the RICO Act to be used to anyone fomenting riots and then to the actual armed groups themselves you need legal power you need disruption efforts

you need to go after the funding sources and go after the individuals themselves that are involved in any of these localized domestic terrorist groups socialist rifle alliance the John Brown gun clubs this armed queer's Salt Lake City which seemed to have

some kind of advanced knowledge of Charlie's assassination they were certainly talking about it online quite a bit. They need to be investigated, and we're just not seeing that level of activity yet. Oh, really? I thought they were getting at that. That's interesting.

You mentioned a couple times 1789 France, and, you know, the one thing that teaches us is that within five years, everybody's on the guillotine. Whoever puts somebody there on the guillotine, then everybody, the terror ensues. So this tit for tat. It's eating its own tail. Yes. Yes. And so that's what concerns me about the tit for tat, that it just escalates this snake eating its own tail. Well, and this is why, well, I say the left is the auriboros here. When I say the iron law of exact reciprocity, that's why it's reciprocal, not reactionary.

Because reactionary would be, okay, we're going to go after everyone with a D next to their name. I'm not saying that. I'm saying people who cross that line, who roach the line from civil discourse to violence, from civil discourse to denying someone's right to exist. Once you cross that line, now you've become completely antisocial at this point. And this is why the killer of Charlie Kirk is facing the death penalty now, because what he did is so heinous that it's in fact in a crime. It is a crime against our entire society, not just a crime against Charlie and Erica and the children

and everything that they've been robbed of, but this idea that we have civil discourse in this nation and the ability to go and debate things. By the way, on a college campus, what better venue to hash out these great questions of our time? Whatever it may, DEI or CRT or whatever the debate is, debate is of the day. Let's bring it all to the forefront and have it out in a civil manner. This is the central pillar of Western society. It really is. And when you attack that in such a

cold-blooded and horrific manner, you are attacking that civil pillar in addition to, of course, attacking Charlie directly. And that's the type of rhetoric. And by the way, that doesn't only include people like on one side of the political aisle. It's just that that's where we seem to be seeing it from at this point. You need as a country to stand against it. And so you need to stand against political violence. And I don't just mean writing letters and petitions. I mean draw a firm line in the sand backed by full government action at the state and federal level. Back to the psychology of grievance. You mentioned that. And the one thing I've seen is that when you have a predominance of narcissism or cluster B, what we call personality disorders, that's when

you see mobs, that's when you see scapegoating. And I've been saying it for like 10 years. I didn't know that cancellation would be the modern scapegoating. But that's now five or six years old. Now we're moving into more bloodshed scapegoating, which is usually where scapegoating goes. Though usually there's some sort of catharsis afterwards, though this doesn't seem to have happened. the underlying psychology of the grievance really is one of two things. Resentment or envy. And we have to start calling out, you know, these, you know, look at every religious injunction against envy.

It's always there because envy is destructive. And resentment just eats people up. It makes them do something, but N makes them have to destroy somebody else. Any thoughts about how we do better with the psychology? Well, I think we do need to do better. And one of the things, you know, so I noticed this with, you know, you talk about the narcissistic personality types. And one of the tactics that I've seen be employed over and over in the wake of this is Darvo, the D-A-R-V-O tactic from many in the media. I would even include Jimmy Kimmel in this, by the way, where it's, so Darvo is a typical narcissistic tactic, deny a

attack and then reverse victim and offender. And so the very first thing he did was deny that Charlie Kirk's attacker was one of Charlie's political opponents, even though he obviously was. He told us his motive very clearly. Then you attack by criticizing Charlie and then also, by the way, criticizing people on Charlie's side of the aisle, my side of the aisle. And then you reverse victim and offender by Kimmel then painting himself as he's some kind of martyr as really saying, well, you know, Charlie.

guys, you know, we, we know what they're about. They're fighting this, they're waging a culture war. So, you know, they maybe, maybe they had it coming and making all of these excuses. And then the refusal to apologize in any way when, when he returned from his brief vacation from his show or correct the lie. And so this is really what's simple here. It's about holding people accountable for their lies. And so many of those lies, which by the way turn into the scapegoating. And that's why it needs to be pointed out, at least for those of us with a platform myself. That's why I've been so vocal about this. It's because those lies only enable more and more scapegoating. Even Barack Obama, even Barack Obama, who by all

accounts is the leader of or at least public leader of the Democrat Party, he said, I feel bad for Charlie. But you know, Charlie said a lot of bad things. And he lists this, you know, does this litany of, you know, the bads. This are, what do they call it, a list of horrible that used to be called in the French Revolution, the list of this thought crimes, and puts this litany out there. And so I'm thinking, well, wait, if you really did feel bad, why do you have to include all of this stuff that you would disagree with? He talks about conservative political statements that Charlie has made.

And again, it reinforces the behavior, reinforces the shunning, the ostracism of family members. Although I will, you know, and that's what needs to be called out. I will tell you, Dr. Drew, I did have a liberal family member reach out to me in the wake of my friend's murder for the first time in years, and not going to name names, but I did see a little sliver of a breakthrough there. Nice. Well, hopefully there's some momentum that picks up. I was hopeful during the Phoenix ceremony, and then the next day I saw people were discussing,

And I was like, oh, boy, they just, it's just wild. And I have to say, I'm not convinced what you're calling lies or lies. I think people are actually delusional. I've been saying that since COVID, too. I think there's an actual delusional distortion. Valid. No, that's, that's fair. It is, there is an interesting, and I've come across this as well,

it's an interesting distinction to try to figure out who is doing it deliberately and who actually believes it. Right. And what is their reasoning to believe something that is clearly not reflective of reality? That's, again, I was during COVID, I'm like, what's going on here? How do we become so hysterical? Well, it's the cognitive dissonance, isn't it? It's the cognitive dissonance. It's mass formation.

It's mass formation. It's mass formation. And then once you're in it, you have cognitive dissonance when you try to get out, so you stay in it. Right, right. And it's very, very powerful. To admit or to allow yourself to think that you have been, And there's that subconscious feeling that, you know, that sluttle, you know, just thought at the back of your mind. It isn't even a thought.

It's a pre-thought. That sense. That could it be possible that I was wrong about all of this? And then the cognitive dissonance hits in to squash it down as hard as possible. Exactly. Exactly. Because there's a whole cascade of considerations on the heels of what you believed was the person you trusted God you to that person. and why all your friends around you reinforce the same thing.

What is my worldview after all this? And so it is very hard. Sometimes you can convince people in narrow areas and then they double down in others. So hopefully we can get to a place where reality reasserts itself. That's what I'm looking for. Jack, I appreciate you being here.

Where do you want people to find you? You can follow me, of course, at Human Events Daily. That's our podcast. We're up on Apple. We're up on Spotify. And we have been here at the Turning Point USA headquarters, is the Charlie Kirk studio since the murder of my dear friend. And we're just doing what we can out here.

And really appreciate everyone's support. Everyone who's reached out to us, who's reached out to me personally, continue to support the show because we're not going to let his sacrifice be in vain. No, absolutely not. Jack, thank you very much. Thanks so much, Drew. Cheers.

All right. Thank you for being here, everybody. Interesting. Great guests. Great week. Emily Barsh, thank you for booking these, particularly on the last minute, we got right to it today. Caleb, anything on your, did you walk away with from this episode? Nothing big. I'm just, I actually wasn't super familiar with what Hassan has been saying on Twitch and that this is kind of the leader of the anyone who's like under 35, you know, these young adults are watching this guy. And some of these things, I'm like, even if they're taken, even if I go and look for the context, it's still horrible.

And I dug as deep as I could. I was like, I've got, there's got to be some quote from Charlie Kirk that at least slightly mirrors what this guy's saying. And there's nothing. There's no calls to violence. And this guy's like saying, let the, let the capitalist blood spill out into the streets. Like he's saying this on Twitch with three million followers. That's bizarre.

And of course, I don't want, I don't want his rights taken away. I want him to be able to say what he wants. But I'm shocked that Amazon allow. that on their platform that they own and allow him to just continue saying this stuff with what it seems like very little or no punishment. I think that's what Mark

Mitchell, the Erasmussen pollster, was talking about. It was this group. He did not mention this guy by name. He was worried about Reddit, but this is what had him very upset. If you remember, he was optimistic, but he was concerned about this. All right, coming up, we

have my, this is my The indulgent day, we're going to go early at 1230 to talk to a Frenchman, who's Andrew Burkhoff, who's a journalist over there. Jeff Dye, I think is coming in, I saw somewhere. Jessica Rowe, Joel Adipo, the first lady from Florida. A lot coming up here. Navar will come back in, Viva Fry with him. We're going to have a full TWC day on the 16th with Gary Brecka, so be sure to get that.

And just a reminder on TWC, I just wanted to, I neglected to call your attention to the One wellness. A reminder that they have three different tiers, the select Premier and Elite, and each are different solutions, economic solutions to try to help you get free of the medical system and also to save money on wellness products if that's what you want.

Again, you can get that all at doctordo.com slash TWC as well as, I believe you can get discounts. Hold on 10% off. Yes, at checkout. If you drew a checkout. But I'm very pleased with TWC. We got more stuff coming from those guys, so stay tuned. What's that, Caleb?

Very, very useful. I had another great use for it. Whenever I had that 24-hour, which for me, Crohn's, it's a 48-hour bug. I think it was norovirus or something, really severe nausea, and it saved me the hour of getting on the phone with a doctor, the hour waiting there, being sick driving there, going to the prescription. It was right there waiting for me. Is it Zofran, I think, is the brand name of whatever they have?

Yes, we have Zofran. Here's what makes me insane. So useful, so useful whenever you're sick and don't want to leave the house. It's a very safe medication. You should have it right away because that's when you're suffering. And, oh, Caleb, you're such a maniac. You can't figure out how to use a medication that is safe and affects nausea. It's impossible for you to figure it out without somebody with advanced degrees to hold your hand as you use it.

I don't want to go too far with this notion, but I want to just point out, we need to get things in the hands of patients and trust patients to do the proper care that they are quite capable. of doing. We have lots of guidance. We have lots of telehealth backup. So it's not completely on your own. If you have any questions, we're there. All right. So have a good weekend, everybody. And as I said, we are early next week for Andre Burkhoff and Jeff Die. We will see you then on Tuesday at 1230. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis, or treatment. This show is intended for education and informational purposes only. I am a licensed physician,

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